New Machine Day! PM-728 Mill, Setup and Review!
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2023
- This episode on Blondihacks, I’m setting up a new milling machine! Exclusive videos, drawings, models & plans available on Patreon!
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I ended up purchasing a PM Mill and Lathe based on watching your channel a few years ago. Glad to see PM is returning the favor. Great company.
Agree I learned about PM through Blondi. Eventually I got me the PM-935TV, a 2/3 Bridgeport clone 220 single phase. Probably the biggest mill my small shop could handle. Wonderful machine and great PM shipping/service.
While I didn't discover PM through this channel, I can vouch for them being one of the most honorable companies that exists today. Their customer service is second to none. They don't engage in any of the shady practices that many organizations do today. I bought a PM-835s a few years back (as my first "full" sized machine... its like a lightweight bridgeport at around 1500 lbs). It was my first significant machine purchase upgrading from a horrible mini-mill variant from another import dealer so it was a big deal to me. Well after the PM was unboxed it was obvious that something wasnt right: damage to the machine, wood chips all over the place, and even finding crucial mounting bolts loosely rolling around the floor of the crate. I contacted PM and they sent me a brand new machine in less than 72 hours to swap for the damaged one. There was no fuss about it. No additional shipping costs or anything. Their reps were always extremely courteous, helpful, and quick. Second machine showed up perfect and is still in use today. Moral of the story is, if price range has you limited to the import market, get it from Precision Matthews and they'll take care of you.
I thank you for your great video on the PM728 . I hate to be the barer of bad news but,I sent a comment before and ended up with someone trying to scam me. I hope you already know about but if you don’t please contact me and I can fill you in on how it went. I have pictures of the messages.
@@JoesModelEngines I think me too, something about claiming a prize.
@@chasehubbard5303 strange I hope you didn’t give them any information.
Blondi, I am so happy for you to receive a free mill upgrade from PM. You have done so much for the machinist community using PM entry level machines. Great to see they have finally recognized your contributions and have awarded you this PM728-VT Mill. You deserve it.
You seemed a little embarrassed about getting the mill. Admirable but not necessary. I never understood why creators get a hard time for benefiting from their channel. Heaven knows viewers get a lot of benefit and I am glad some came to you. Looking forward to seeing this thing put to use. Thanks for your effort and for sharing.
Well said
Pro tip for cutting metal banding: Take two crescent wrenches and clamp them onto the banding right next to each other, one on each side of the banding. You can then scissor the wrenches against each other, which will shear the banding, and they'll usually hold onto the two ends, keeping the banding from flying loose.
Also works with only one crescent.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 It does, but two is better. Learned that tip about 15yrs ago and haven't used tin snips on metal banding since!
THAT is an AWESOME tip!
I am super glad PM sent you a machine. You’ve done so much to educate people and make great content. It’s really appreciated. I hope you receive many new mills 😂 Cheers!
Save some of the metal banding to make parallel spring keepers with. Cut and bend to hold the parallels against the vise jaws when switching parts.
When I got my mini lathe, I used bits of the banding as shims for the tools in the 4poster. (I have a QCTP now, though)
That metal banding is very versatile stuff. I always save the straight pieces when removing it from a crate.
Congratulations! New toys are always fun :-)
Years ago, I helped an older gentleman who owned a print shop move an old offset printing press he had purchased. He asked me if I could trust him and just do what he told me to do. Strange request, but I said ok. Then we arrive and I saw the press, a very large, heavy piece of equipment which was on the 2nd floor of an old industrial building, and I thought "How in the world are I and this guy and I going to move that?" He schooled me - I'm so glad I had the experience. Short of it is: Pipes. We levered it up onto some conduit, and rolled it. Onto the elevator, out to my truck, and up some oak planks into the bed of my truck with nothing but some pipe and a come-along. Just me and this old man. Amazing. All that to say .. next time you need to move something on a pallet like that, get some 3/4" conduit, lever it up onto that like you did onto those plywood blocks, and you will be amazed.
"I will replace that when I remember to do so 20 years from now"
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution
Your videos helped me pick my career. I start my second semester in machine tool technology on Monday. Thank you for all you do.
Congrats, Quinn. The machine looks pretty. My favorite quote of the day: "You never know. I might have needed to some day lift the entire building by that machine". Somehow a lot of us use that design principle in home shops ;)
"Better to be looking at it than looking for it." Keith Fenner
If it can't move it won't move. I had that drilled into me. No pun intended 😊
My dad had the same philosophy.... and built a workbench out of a 12 foot long piece of BOWLING ALLEY with 4" Channel structural Steel legs...... That was 50+ years ago, and I still can't find anything that will damage it.......🤣
My cheapie mill is bolted down using Ford 6.4L diesel head bolts. Yes, you could pull the slab and footing out of the dirt with those.
Quinn - congratulations on your great new machine! I really like the way you always keep your comments authentic, even on those rare occasions when you are given a tool at no cost! I'm sure the increased capacity will be very beneficial in your upcoming work!
Thanks Ron! I’m excited. 😁
You were saying Tetris and I was thinking "No, Sokoban!" - then you went there. A very nice Christmas present from PM. That mill will most certainly help with the new project!
I doubt they even knew it, but your videos were one of the main influences towards me picking out a PM-950V mill and PM-1130VS lathe (if I remember the model numbers correctly) for the new machine shop I set up at work a little over a year ago. Unpacking those machines was my excuse to get certified on the forklift. :)
FORK CERTIFICATIONS? What's that? I remember YEARS ago working at IBM as a "temp" and was occasionally asked to work different weekends in the warehouse. We had pallets that needed moving and I just jumped on the forks to do so. Became an expert in no time! Although stacking 'em three high was always interesting!
Congratulation on the "hashtag sponsored" mill - overall looks great! Hopefully they'll listen to your feedback, especially for the small things like the Z-DRO. Looks like solid bang-for-the-buck, though. Enjoy!
Keith Fenner will be proud of you for the lip action on the hole deburring 😂
I'm sure I speak for a lot of viewers when I say that I'm very grateful you've invited us all to join you on your hobby machinist's journey. I milestones like this that we all looked forward to, in anticipation of your future projects. Thank you 🤗
Thanks! I really appreciate this video and all your others. I just took delivery on this mill yesterday and could not be happier with it. Because of this video, I had no trouble getting it set up and working.
Love the subtle flex with the big snap on ratchet 😛
Thank you so much for your channel. UA-cam told me you were who I was looking for maybe two years ago, and after watching all of your wonderful instructional videos, I pulled the trigger on my first hobbyist machine shop yesterday as a happy birthday to me present - a PM-728 and a PM-1022. I'm now looking forward to re-watching, and trying to apply all the pearls that you've shared.
Congratulations! The only thing better than a new machine is a free, new machine!
Congratulations on the new mill. I purchased a PM25 mill and 12X36 lathe from them about 5 years ago and have nothing but positive things to say about the equipment and the support I have received from them.
While I agree that you have helped their sales, the biggest credit is the equipment quality, warranty, and especially the quality of service PM offers.
You offer a good warranty, when you know that honoring it will be a rarity. It really is profitable to have things squared away from the very beginning.
You had me at Machine Tool Tetris, but the real gravy was the detailed & highly technical explanation of the Racing Stripes premium feature.
A tip I picked up once was to have your machine vice mounted off centre, then periodically move it one side to the other to distribute the wear in the ways more evenly. Congrats on the new machine…
Mel Brooks May have written “It’s good to be da Queen”. Congratulations on the new swag!
Hold the steel straps with a plier in each hand and twist. Means you have control over both ends
Congrats on your new machine.............and your fearlessly honest eval. Thanks
LOL I got my PM1236 a week ago. I told my wife exactly the same thing: "this is like sokoban!". The look on her face reminded me that she is not an 80's kid like me...
Congratulations on the mill.
Also, John is correct, you helped them sell me a mill and a lathe!
Got mine also which base did you get ,I got cast iron?
@@larryedwards8723 Got cast iron too!. Those things were "interesting" to get down from on top of the big crate :)
I'm still in the process of cleaning and setting it all up, can't wait to start making chips!
Are you happy with it?
Wow, Santa was very good to Quinn! looking forward to the projects coming from this mill. I don't think you could find anyone that would be more honest & straightforward than her to do a tool review. She'll tell it like it is!
A free milling machine for new year! That's a very nice gift.
Have fun with it :)
Enjoy the new mill. I am one that can say your videos sold a mill and lathe from Precision Matthews. You didn't steer me wrong, many thanks.
must be a lot of fun to unpack such a fine and well packed machine. first time i saw it working i woer about that silent noise and when u ever milled something, you nearly can see the precision of that machine. so i searched a bit and its price is 3.699 $ or nearly 3.400 € for germany.
Congratulations Quinn - it is 'cause U're worth it
Happy new milling machine Quinn 🎉🤓.
Nice upgrade 👌, well done Precision Mathew's for recognising an appreciative user.
Bigger and better swarf.
Thanks for sharing
I am so happy for you... this is a significant upgrade! I think those little annoying things will make great future videos, but I wonder if PM will step up and improve them as well... maybe even collaborate with you? Well, if I ever got into the machining hobby world, I would seriously consider this machine... Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Enjoy
Just got back yesterday from a month-long vacation so pardon the tardiness of this comment. I wrote just before leaving that my PM-30 mill showed up just a few days before, so I barely got it installed and tested before departing. (In truth, I spent the day before leaving adding a simple-but-effective Z-axis lift using a car wiper motor. I had rotator cuff surgery of my right shoulder decades ago and just couldn't physically turn the Z crank more than a few dozen times without pain.) Today I'll add DRO scales, making brackets as required.
I said earlier and I'll say again that your channel was the #1 motivator for me to purchase my PM mill. Your "mill skills" playlist is fabulous and made it so that I was quite comfortable and even familiar with using the mill from day one. So I'm thrilled that you've been appropriately recognized and rewarded by PM. Good on them, and good for you. :-)
The same company that sells that power feed Align, makes RC helicopters! Maybe that is why the gear was made so nicely.
Thanks for another great video on the new mill. One observation, when you tried the .1" mill depth of cut feed rate and got the spindle pull down, I experienced this on a round column mill I previously owned. By turning the fine feel knob in the opposite direction to take up the back lash, this was able to hold the vertical feed at a neutral position. I have no experience with your mill and don't know if this would be beneficial in your situation, but it worked for me.
Yes, I’ve found this helps me as well. I mentioned that in the video but my wording wasn’t very good so it probably wasn’t clear.
@@Blondihacks Sorry, missed that, time for ear wax removal. :)
@@norwegiangadgetman Well if you know how they work then why are you so ignorant of how they *ACTUALLY WORK?*
I doubt you repaired ANYTHING that you actually knew how it worked. Sure switched mode PSUs don't have smoothing capacitors as large as large as diode bridges PSUs have but they have the tiny little PCB ones either.
Do you think a real engineer who's worked in industrial control systems and automation for 30+ years can't spot an amateur with an attitude?
Sorry but I have worked on projects with precision AC and DC servos and VSDs that range from 24VDC up to 6,600VAC motors.
@@tonywilson4713 your attitude is appalling. Have a word with yourself
@@irishwristwatch2487 Sorry but I have NO TIME for amateur clowns who want to lecture me on stuff they *DO NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND.*
I teach this stuff to electricians so they won't kill themselves.
Quinn thinking that the contactor being bigger is the reason just shows how little she understands.
*SO YOU AND OTHERS GET IT.*
Variable Speed Drives (VSDs) are among the *MOST DANGEROUS* electrical devices on the planet because most people, including electricians, DON'T KNOW how they work.
There's a bunch of basic things people like you don't understand and often wont listen too.
1) Most people think DC is safer that AC because DC is that stuff used in torches, computers, and in their cars. WRONG, that's all very low voltage mostly 12volts or less. At higher voltages DC becomes a lot more dangerous especially if it can deliver current, even for a short time periods.
2) Unlike AC which makes muscles spasm at the frequency of the AC, DC makes muscles contract and lock. So human heart hit with enough DC just locks and stops. It can kill a person so fast they don't have time to fall over.
3) VSDs convert AC into DC and use that DC through power transistor packs to create whatever is needed.
4) The DC voltage in a VSD is always higher than the AC. When multi-meters are measuring AC volts its the average or RMS voltage NOT the peak to peak. So the DC bus in a VSD has even more kick and with the capacitors has more volume behind that kick.
5) The DC bus in a VSD does not have a circuit breaker, fuse or safety switch. So if you touch it and it can conduct there's nothing to stop it.
6) The most common MISTAKE on checking if a VSD has powered down by electricians, technicians and engineers is to leave their multi-meter on AC. It will always read 0.00 (zero) and wont show the DC volts which can be lethal.
I DO NOT CARE if you think I'm blunt.
I prefer to help people stay alive.
congrats on your new mill. your deserve it. now lets get back to that locomotive build and show off that new mill
That's a great way to return the favor. Props to PM!
Thanks for naming the game I could not remember from back then! I loved to play Sokoban!!!! :D
And nice new machine :)
Truthfully, I watch your channel to see the cool stuff you come up with, and how it comes to be that way. I'm no machinist. However, hearing Precision Matthews was willing to pay forward on machine sales is noteworthy. Should I find myself in the market for something they sell, I'll buy it and tell them Quinn Dunki sent me. 👍
I'm super glad your YT efforts had this payback. A great result.
Afternoon Quinn, I have the same Quill DRO on my mill and this is what I have done to get adequate light so I could see the numbers because it is not a backlighted unit. EVISWIY Sewing Machine Light LED Lighting (30LEDs) 6 Watt Multifunctional Flexible Gooseneck Arm Work Lamp with Magnetic Mounting Base for Workbench Lathe Drill Press 2 Pack. From Amazon of course.
OMG, I had completely forgotten about Sokoban. Played that one for hours on end in the mid 80’s. It may well have been my first game on my first PC … Thanks for reminding me! 👍👍 (Now back to the video!)
Why do I get so happy to hear that you got a free upgrade to your tool set? Because you are super creator and one of my favorites. I was a little teared up. Your content gives me peace.
Miss Quinn. Congratulations 🎈🎈👍👍 to you. You deserve the new machine. You have learned a lot over the years. And I have enjoyed your videos for a while now. And I have learned from you. I thank you so much. You make it easy for me to learn. I not that smart but I'm slowly learning. And I thank you.
Your videos own the Steam Boiler is interested. Keep up the great content. Real Talk 101!!!
Racing Strips! My mill doesn't have racing strips!
And I finally noticed that your sinistral!
Well, that explains everything!
Very happy for your new mill! 2023 is starting off right!
Absolutely justified in my humble opinion that PM sent you the new mill as not only have you made them profit but the similar Chinese stuff they sell other people would of purchased globally from other suppliers as it is all the same!
Yay!! It's Blondihacks time!! Happy New Machine Day!!!
Keep the steel straps to make some parallels wave spacers....since its spring steel will help on vise to keep parallels against walls...
Yes, agree with everyone else, good for you. Glad PM rewarded you for your efforts.
I had to drill 1 inch holes through semi frame to move the fifth wheel back. I had to do this on 2 trucks 8 new holes on each truck. The black and decker drill gave it up before the first hole was done, the new Dewalt didn't ever even slow down, but my wrist wanted to call it quits.
Each hole started out with a 1/4 inch drill stepping up several times till reaching 1 inch. Only broke a 11/16 bit and had to sharpen bits many times.
Annular Cutters are great here...
I've watched nearly all of your videos and now we both have the same mill! Super excited to see what you can do with yours!
@Andrew Why the harshness---Just change the channel and get on with your life WITHOUT THIS DISTRACTION...
I believe the bearing grease comes that way because there is a packer the grease goes into, so it comes in what would probably be more of a wrapper... Great video, congrats on the new machine and thanks for sharing!
Respect moving that around.
Not that this will become a common practice for you, but, I used a ratchet strap looped around the bottom of the center vertical mast of my engine crane and then around the base of the machine to "pull" my mill off the pallet onto/under the engine crane . The beauty of that is, you're not constantly chasing the crane around as it wants to move away from the pallet. Nice machine, by the way.
I smiled when you were talking about the DRO turning itself off. I have a set of cheap digital calipers that leave themselves on until the battery goes flat, and I have a drill press quill depth display that turns itself off after I swear about 10 seconds of inactivity and it also runs off a battery instead of using the mains power plugged into the machine. All three things drive me mad (though I have since purchased more expensive calipers so the old ones are relegated to a tool box of rarely used tools so I guess that one is fixed)
I am a retired mechanical engineer. Most of my work was in Project management for capital projects upwards to $20,000,000 each.
I ordered a PM 1440Gt and a PM728VT last week. The mill has already shipped and will probably be at my home shop next week. I built alot of items every week. I have some really nice welding equipment.
I do not have a lathe background. I found your video very informative. I have an overhead winch. I really like how you moved the mill into position via the shop crane...especially utilizing the board to let it rest on while moving into position. Rigging has always been something I been good at. Thanks for taking the time to pass on your knowledge on this subject.
Send me a cell number and I will show you some of my projects. I have built my residence in the the past. (10,000 sq. ft for 3 buildings). I have a lot of wood working knowledge.
it looks like a great new toy Quinn
Good for you, Quinn. Happy to see you getting the recognition from a manufacturer like PM. Looking forward to seeing many chips from the new mill.
A fabrication project to widen the hoist footprint would be great. I've got the following planned for mine: Shim an imperial square tube in hoist's rear, metric box, allowing a 6' large stock square tube slid in. Drill holes near tube's ends for 10' schedule 40 steel pipes as legs. Since it's still an idea, filling the pipes with concrete may be an option for no kinks.
So cool!
I almost bought this machine when PM first imported it - now I can "try it out" vicariously. Enjoy it in good health and safety.
Also, damn you to hell for reminding me of Sokoban. :)
What a nice way to start the new year! Looking forward to seeing & hearing how you tweak your new machine to address its points of irritation--or how you enjoy *not* having the things that irked you with the old machine. I'll remain in suspense concerning the quill lock issue and its resolution.
I have purchased 4 new machines from Precision Matthews. So far I have had zero issues. Precision Matthews has *stellar* customer service.
I wish I were an eloquent speaker like you, Quinn, and as knowledgeable.
Those actually make great kitchen islands. We have one in our kitchen!
Maybe your old mill would make a nice mixer...
Another great video. I admire your ability to maintain consistent quality in your productions!
Five ten-thousandths in 25" table to head tram! (Just for fun: 1 mile, 5280' = 63,360" divided by 25" = 2534.4 x 0.0005 = 1.2672" ] You just might want to re-tram.)
Really appreciate your sharing in such a fine, educational way, all that you are learning/doing.
First videos of hers I’ve seen. Girl’s got skilz.
What a slick little mill! I'd love something like that. Unless a person is into some really heavy duty milling, this is just about all they'd need. One thing, though, I don't like fly cutters. It's an interrupted cut and your spindle bearings take a beating every time the tool hits the work piece. Other than that, it's a really impressive little mill. Congrats on your purchase.
Good on Precision Matthews for hooking you up!! Not gonna lie, it was largely your channel and then some forum research to confirm, that led me to buy the same mill as well as a PM-1236 lathe. Despite some really weird gremlins with the lathe upon first power-up, they were wonderful to work with in resolving it, and I would not hesitate in the least to buy from them again. Enjoy, and thanks for the great content!
Congrats on the new machine, good to see the full setup from crate to making chips.
A ratchet type pull lift /come along can be useful to pull things , I used one similar to the situation you were in , pulling a machine off a pallet towards the vertical bar on the engine hoist
Congratulations on the new machine! I'm looking forward to whatever project winds up helping you find the limits of the 728, and seeing how you work around them. Thanks for taking us along.
Happy New Year! Great video and congratulations on the new mill!
Love watching your videos Quinn. Congrats on the new mill!
I bought this same model about a year ago. I was trying to avoid my usual pattern: but the cheapest model, spend a few years in utter frustration, then finally upgrade to a decent machine. This time I decided to skip step 1 and I couldn’t be happier. It’s smooth, rigid, well-built, and accurate.
Some of the price premium is because it’s a Taiwanese machine instead of Chinese, and the difference is significant: Lexus vs Toyota.
Highly recommended.
Those PM machines are very nice. There are probably a lot of folks who watch your channel who are using the HF grade stuff like me. Yep I like challenge of having to McGiver every cheap tool I get from that far east country. It does teach you a lot but it's a pain in the ying-yang. Congratulations on the new asset.
Quinn another great video. Just a hint for a future project is to ditch the angle bracket clamp on the power feed. Make a mount to put it directly to the end of the of the table. I would hate to not have access to the slots on one side. Nice to see that the new mill is better.
Like many others have said, I too bought my PM1030 a couple of months ago after watching your success with the PM1022. So far I’ve been extremely happy with PM and my machine.
Congrats on the new mill, very nice
Congrats on the new machine. Always exciting.
Blondies upper class now!
Yup - Only need two of those screws and.... Dontcha know - I only had one. lol. Story of my life! ;) Congrats on the new machine - looks great!
The reason for the bigger skid can be seen when the machine is dropped off. Smaller skids require special pump trucks. Very few warehouses, and even fewer delivery trucks have the special width pump truck required to move small skids like that.
It was probably put on the larger skid at the first carrier facility it arrived at so that they didn't need to take up the valuable time of the forklift and operator every time it needed to be moved.
It's a global supply chain, and standardization is what brings costs down
Btw, I'm saying this as someone with 20 years in logistics
Yes. Odd sized pallets take more time besides ruining the Tetris game
Re: wheel bearing grease...
Try clear SuperLube with PTFE. Very sticky, smooth, and not stinky. Still in crappy cardboard tubes, of course. It doesn't stain red, but it DOES stain. I use it in wheel bearings, steering columns, poly bushings, all kinds of stuff.
Always nice to see new toys in the shop.
Quinn,
Congrats on the upgraded machine! I’m looking forward to seeing what you do with it (and also for what new things I learn along the way!)
Superlube makes oils and greases rated for food processing machinery that don't have much of a smell at all. It's all synthetic with PTFE additive so understandably not cheap but in small quantities it doesn't really matter. And they even come in non messy plastic packaging.
I've never crashed a Align power feed but I've crashed a few Align RC-helicopters over the years :)
Nice video as usual and I'm looking forward to seeing the new mill in coming projects.
Congrats Quinn! How fun. Enjoy your new machine! Looking forward to seeing you use it. Great video.
Congrats on the new mill, surely you will put it through its paces. It so cool that a company like Precision Mathews values your opinion so much on their products and hopefully they will make improvements based on that. Thanks for another great video!
Quinn, Really appreciate your honest, detailed review of this new machine. Greatly looking forward to your ongoing projects with it !
Happy New Mill day!!!
Heck yeah! This will be an awesome step up for your new shop
Congratulations 🎉👏 Super happy for you and thanks for all the videos.
Fantastic, I just got one of these so it's nice to hear your take on it
Congratulations on the new toy Quinn, great review. I look forward to seeing what you're going to do with it.
Congratulations on this new puppy! Can't wait to see it working a lot!
Thank you Quin, really appreciate the level of detail in your review. Congratulations on the new machine!