On Gender-Affirming Care | The Problem With Jon Stewart
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- Parents Keisha Michaels and Debi Jackson offer moving stories about how gender-affirming care starts at home. Watch the full conversation on Apple TV+, now streaming for free. apple.co/JonStewart
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I wanna say I feel sorry for her losing her support system once they found out about her child's situation, but she's honestly better off, if that's how closed-minded they're gonna be.
"It"
@@theforcedmemefilthypapist2892 what are you correcting exactly?
@@theforcedmemefilthypapist2892 “It” is dehumanizing.
They don't sound like a support system.
Sometimes fear of something will actually force it to happen… people often times do something that they understand could impact them socially. I’ve seen folks come out the closet and dive headfirst into depression and alienate themselves from their support group. In their own heads they think everyone abandoned them but in reality they closed everyone else out. Not saying that’s the case here but it’s so extremely common that it very well could be.
You lost a support system but found your child. Pretty good trade in my opinion.
Lost me at 3 year old telling her their gender. Nope, 3 years olds don’t get that shot yet genius.
@@thomasbeall9069so you're telling me at 3 you don't know who you are?
@@thomasbeall9069 But they didn't listen until she was 10. Did YOU listen?
Pro tip: the psychological research says say most children know their identify and/or orientation by the age of 5. Long before they express any sexual desire they are thinking gender and orientation-specific thoughts. A classic one is the "rescue" dream a lot of young boys have in the age 4-5 range, where they dream of rescuing a girl they like. (Again, completely non-sexual.) Gay men, for example, typically dream at that age of rescuing other boys. And trans kids who will, at some point in the future identify as straight males, are dreaming of rescuing girls they like.
@@David-iv6je Dreaming of which gender to rescue, or towards which parent your Oedipus complex exresses isn't indicative of transexuality. It's strictly about orientation. To say that a study shows something and/or something else... like that "and/or"... tells me there's no such study. You made it up. In order to have such a study at all, you'd have to ask toddlers about it, then ask them again 20 years later. And guess what, the result you get there would be perfectly true! Not because of anything fundamental about human psychology, but simply because of how primary socialization works. We knew whether we were boys or girls because practically no parent was brainwashed by libtards back then!
@@miriamnieves6953 3 year old are whatever they're told they are. It takes decades to build your own solid identity
Thank you, Jon, yes, exactly right: ask the ones actually dealing with it.
Most of such issues get 'debated' by people never encountering such personally in real life. And they then guide and often lead the discourse instead of the people actually in touch with it.
Ok guys, love the show. Love the conversations. But can you please audio balance your end card music? It is 2 to 3 times louder than your content and it blows my ears out every time
It's the most kickass music of any show on YT but yeah it's too loud lol.
I'll blow ur ears out every time
It's that way because the show is a zzzzzz 😴
@@AlwaysAwesome001 ok, Russian troll
@@AlwaysAwesome001 good thing you came all the way here to deliver that sick burn
The lady who said her family lost all their friends actually didn't because these people were never actually their friends to begin with. A friend would try to understand. A friend would be open to questioning whether their belief system is actually right.
I guess I would qualify as a closed minded person. So I must ask, are you able to point to a belief that you have held, that you think is or was unquestionable by most if anyone, and changed that belief because of one of your friends, which shattered your most basic understanding of life? You are asking people to say that there is no objective reality, and yet take, or allow others to take, radical steps to change a situation (changing self and world concept, to then support that change through surgery and medical intervention). To fulfill the idea of a transition, you are asking people to accept that a child with a body that in every way known and testable (visually and genetically) is able to discern sexual identity without social or psychological influence. You are not saying, I'm a boy, but I like what the girls do, or vise versa. You are saying girls know what girls are, and boys know what boys are, and this has nothing to do with outside influence or their reaction to it. Forgeting concepts of God or religion, you are saying no one can identify what that child is except for that child, which should be possible even if that child was isolated from all senses of gender role assignments to gender identifaction. If children were treated as children only, not as boys or girls, the 3 to 10 year old could still say I'm "x" when all evidence points to not "x". But that is nearly an impossible scenario to construct. And you would need to also say society has no meaningful role to address the needs of those children based on there gender. That too seems unrealistic. Hygiene, reproductive capacity, nutritional needs, body transformation during various stages of development and the individual's vs a society's capacity to survive and flourish. Multiple areas of concern regarding the human condition are not to be considered, despite what seems to be clear evidence to the contrary. By extension, isn't that yet another arguement that suggest women are no different than men except for how the individual perceives things? I don't think that would be considered true. Then also, without artificial intervention, would the physiological life experiences of a transgender person match that one that isn't? And the idea that a hermaphrodite being assigned a gender role would be proof based on their best capacity for social integration is not uniquely different than someone who thinks, despite no physical situation deemed abnormal, they need such change.
I suppose it is possible there is no argument I could make that would identify me as anything other than a bigot to you. But losing friends because you think they are doing something seriously wrong and would hope you can have influence to prevent them from making that perceived if not actual mistake seems at least a little bit troubling also.
@@u64770 You don't seem bigoted to me. I can't say that I fully agree with all of the paradigms that you present here, but I think you actually sum up very well the implications (perceived or actual) that a lot of people might see, and why it might be so difficult for them to accept trans people & others' acceptance of them, even when it's your own friends supporting their own children. At the same time, though, if your own friends are unable to reconcile that you are making a decision to do what you believe is best for your own child, then maybe it's for the best to just let them go. Your relationship with your child is more important than your friends' acceptance, and you can find new friends who can offer the kind of support system that you truly need.
@@benjaminchylla5212cult member
By that measure unfortunately probably most people on this planet aren't good friends, I've met very few people in this world how actually stick with you through thick and thin, and when it comes to you belonging to the "other side" of wherever they are on the political map, they mostly won't, even childhood friends
For every person here that was able to empathize with their child, there are others who do not. People need to learn this stuff so they can be there for their kids.
Many are just being intellectually bested by unwell kids and a conducive media culture and are just seeing how far you’re willing to dement them before actually parenting them. Even they are on some level in disbelief at the lack of quality guidance they’ve received. Unfortunately for many kids today, that real parent may never come.
@@wills242 Isn't the treatment for gender dysphoria to take age-appropriate steps to affirm who these kids are?
No, people need to fight this shit.
@@_Sakidora_ the intellectual disparity in the left is insane. There’s literal geniuses who have set themselves to profit from western destruction and then there’s this swath of sub100 IQs like our friend above here. Aka: the voter base/ slave labor-force.
@@ItsMzPhoenix three systematic reviews have been conducted on the empirical evidence for gender affirming care for minors. All three have overlapping conclusions. All three countries that conducted these systematic reviews backtracked on gender affirming care interventions for minors. What does this tell you?
I would love to see John interview Matt Walsh
Jon would get destroyed
@RandomCan do you have any evidence of your claim?
@UC3iyY6zT7Gubir7HSwWXN9w are you claiming Matt Walsh would never accept a debate with Jon?
@RandomCan You think men can get pregnant and accuse others of living in a factless world?
@RandomCan That's extremely delusional and outright incorrect. Matt Walsh would eagerly accept a debate with Stewart and would undeniably wipe the floor with him. It's Stewart that would be too much of a coward to accept the debate.
I really appreciate the honesty form both of them. It was also important to hear the second person talk about their experience of living in a conservative community, navigating their situation.
I really appreciate the dishonesty form both of them. It was also not important to hear the second person (a woman) talk about their (her) experience of living in a clown world community, navigating their (her) situation.
@@OilFreeFeathers Were we told what pronouns the second parent uses before or during the interview?
What about the liberal parents who have had the opposite experience? What about Jamie Reed, formerly staffed in the pediatric gender clinic affiliated with the university of Washington? She’s identifies as queer and politically left of Bernie-what do you think about what she had to say about the way the gender clinic was run during her time there? What about the fact that her concerns overlap with the concerns brought up regarding the running of the Tavistock’s GIDS-concerns that were corroborated by a panel of independent experts and led to the closing of the clinic?
There is much more to this story than JS is covering.
@@YesHelloNoBye right…and _you_ are the nice tolerant person here?
@@ProkofNY You ask about the "liberal parents", and that is most of the problem, ppl are picking teams and sticking with them instead of choosing facts, knowlege and common sense.. Take our the word "liberal" and it makes the same point without adding division.. Children at four typically cant tie their shoes and legally have to be in a car seat but this lying ass women says her 4yo was in such a complete comprehension of gender that he knew he was mis-gender identified.. She is LYING her ass off!!
Thank you for sharing the experience of Keisha Michaels and Debi Jackson - really appreciate it.
This is one thing trans teenagers are afraid of (among many others), that their coming out will damage their parents life. Even if they have accepting parents, doesn’t mean they’ll be immune to hostile communities.
I had the same experience I had with my child. I did my research and got several medical opinions.
I hated seeing my child cry themselves to sleep every night due to this.
After all the research and obtaining the medical opinions. We went forward with helping them.
This is not to say I ever disbelieved them. I truly thought they were suffering and I wanted to first understand and second support them.
We are now several years into their life experience and I can say that they are in a far better place and have the support of their parents
Kids cry. You're the adult and parent. You're supposed to no buckle to their fleeting whins.
@@vondernacht Have you ever met any children in reality? Kids don't cry themselves to sleep _every night, over a long period of time._ If your parenting advice is: "ignore your child's deep-seated, obvious, and long-lasting unhappiness, because they're just whiners", I pray that you don't have any actual children. Are you the kind of person that thinks clinically depressed people should just "cheer up"? Is that advice you'd give to your own depressed child? Or do you just reserve your disregard for someone's personal issues in the case of gender dysphoria specifically?
I mean, you're not even doing that here, to be fair - you're saying this incredibly weird and callous thing to _a parent_ you know nothing about, concerning _their own child_ you similarly know nothing about. You must be quite the skilled mind-reader, if you can presume to counsel a parent, this judgmentally, this self-confidently, from a single 5-sentence post, without knowing any details about the child's behavior, or how their parent treats them or their "fleeting whims".
It endlessly fascinates me that the same types who tell other people they have never known, nonstop, in the most aggressive and hurtful ways, how to live their own lives and raise their own children, then turn around and scream that their own rights are being trampled upon by the mere existence of these other people, and that they pose a threat to others' ability to live their lives.
But really, let's stop beating around the bush here: you used the term "fleeting whim". Is the problem that a parent is raising their child in the way that they perceive makes their child most fulfilled and happy, and that you take issue with that? Or is it that you think transgender people don't really feel what they feel, that they have "fleeting whims", and that their own wishes, personal expression, and whole identity, should be ignored?
@@badwulff yeah, their kid isnt trans. They should have taken their phone and taught them biology. Sad that they caved to the evil social contagion that is the trans religion. Terrible parenting indeed.
@@badwulff Beautifully put. Could not have ever said it better myself. The uneducated ingnorance, not to mention utter gall, to feel that they are in ANY postion to offer ANY advice on trans issues when they have ZERO experince dealing with a child with gender dysphoria. There, love, compassion, and empathy is nothing more than a “fleeting whim.” I feel for their own children in their more formative years to come. May they never be challenged in any way during their lives, because the support from their parents will be nonexistant.
@@paulfisher1296 I know. I feel so bads for any actual kids victims of parents like that, it disgusts me to no end. It's somehow not enough that society spits on them for things they have no say in, for their own "loved ones" to then also abuse them...
This may go unheard but I am a trans woman who had told my parents from the age of 4 that I was a girl. They never took me seriously until the point that I didn't feel safe coming out until after they passed away. Now one of the things I think about most is how my life could have been if they had accepted me as I was. I have faced so many challenges on this journey but so many times I just wish I could turn to my mother for advice.
I'm sorry that you went through that, it must have been very, very, difficult on you. Just know that people DO care, and I hope that you are in a much better place now. I have two young daughters and while I'd be against hormonal and surgical intervention until the age of 18 as a default position, I'm always willing to learn, and it'd be a situation where my wife and I would work with our child's medical providers to navigate the process. My concern, as with many parents, is that parents would be excluded from the whole situation if we didn't accept gender-affirming hormonal/surgical intervention by default, but we'd always accept our kids as who they are.
I'm a parent and would be most interested to hear about a 4 yr olds feelings.
All I can imagine is preference for toys or clothes.
It's been a while since I was that age but don't recollect any attraction issues or raging hormones flooding my system for another 10 years
@@chriskennedy7534 Dude I don't really care about your perception of my story. I know what my life was and whether you see it as valid is of no consequence to me
@@bjkarana I don't want to cut out the parents being one myself, I just think that parents and doctors should make these calls and not politicians
@@alessa_fenris I agree as long as this remains a _medical_ process, rather than a political one for either side.
Wonderful parenting. These parents are so strong and loving !
Someone told me in my 20s that in your whole life, you'll never have more than 5 friends. I scoffed. She said, no, the kind of friends that stay when the FBI shows up or the IRS, or DSS. She was right. It made me want to be one of those kinds of people. I think I would have stuck by this family. I know my kids would have.
Your reaction to your friend's statement is likely very telling of who you are.
You seem like a great person and you continue to strive to be better.
Your friends are lucky to have you in their lives.
Bless Jon for addressing this issue. I am a 69 year old transsexual woman who started my transition in my late thirties, early 40s. I wish I had been able to express myself to my parents but that would have been at age 4 in 1957 and I knew enough to know how society would have reacted. Unlike most of my "sisters" I was not a fem boy and I loved playing football and other male activities. I dated women and was married in 1982 to a wonderful, amazing woman. I did inform her on our third date but ultimately she was not a "lesbian". We are still close and like family and her current husband is friends with me as well. But my point is that I knew at age four, in spite of enjoying "tomboyish" activities that no one was pressuring me to pursue, that I felt like I should have been born a biological woman. As I have grown I know that all earth connected cultures, who valued the spirit as much as the physical, had a productive role for what we now call transgender. In the end we are Not Man and Not Woman and both Man and Woman at the same time. We are Mystery Beads and that is the only truth that we really know, that other "normal" folks can relate to. We are not the norm but we are normal is my mantra. The bottom line for me is that, in this very dysfunctional culture where only male and female is accepted, I did not fine any peace until I embraced the Mystery. IN this culture, having the surgery was the only way for me to find peace and to say to the skeptic this "feeling" of being a "woman trapped inside a male body" is this strong in me that I was willing to give up my male privilege (and believe me I had plenty) to go through this cultures 'rite of passage', Now they are trying to take what the medical association suggested as therapy when they could not, try as they might, make this Mystery go away! For anyone interested: ua-cam.com/video/0zvrzuqvZQI/v-deo.html
If I may ask, how you did you notice that you didn't have male privilege anymore after transitioning?
YOURE A WOMAN WHO WISHES SHE WAS A MAN.
Thats a gender "affirming" statement.
Cry about it.
Jesus can save you
WE AND PREHAPS JON BECK ARE PRAYING FOR YOU.
@@iceguysgoldanddiamondsNo one can save you.
I like how Jon Stewart brought in people to explain their experience, yet people in the comments want to act like they know more than the guests.
I mean they're just walking clowns pretending to be something they're not
He brought in solely people who supported the narrative.
I don’t think the guests are aware of the scientific data coming from countries like Finland, Sweden and the UK. These countries happen to be treating the topics of puberty blockers and HRT for minors to a higher empirical standard when compared to institutions here in the US. I wonder why Jon has completely failed to cover this crucial information…
@@ProkofNY hmmm... maybe he skips over it because it doesn't fit their narrative and agenda they want to push.
@@TheDrummingXbox360 ding, ding!
Are friendships so fragile these days. If so get away from me.
Seriously, what kind of friend would rather your child be dead than you treat your child like the gender that feels right to them?
@@robertaylor9218 The kind that thinks the world shouldn't be an RPG with 3 base classes (male/female/intergender) and a plethora of customization options while levelling up.
We are required to adhere to their bronze-age beliefs or get othered.
Trans people and parents of trans people are better off without people who would deny their identity and brand them as a child groomer anyway
@@robertaylor9218 "Friends" like that aren't friends at all and you are better off without them!!!
@@danspawn85 oh, wow. You really don't know what you're talking about do you?
Friendster...now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.
Hello there!
@Rachel Landry you lost, bud?
From a certain point of view...
@Rachel Landry Um...the context of the Friendster joke was not mocking social media at all, if anything the target is people who scapegoat social media.
...A long time.
I admire the courage of some transgender people and their families. Truly an example of resilience.
This. So much this.
And delusion
@@ButtocksAsshole508 Never mistake your own bigotry and ignorance as someone else's delusional thinking. You might eat your words when you're older.
@@ButtocksAsshole508 Username checks out
The experiences these parents share are so familiar. I'm just glad they love their children enough to not give a shit what others think.
And here they are on Jon Stewart to justify their decisions, totally not caring what others think.
Those parents should be put in prison for castrating their children
@@andrewg3666 The parents are also victims, prison won't fix anything.
Sure but jail them if the child changes their minds
@@chrisselkirk4330 You know the former children would say they changed their minds just to get their parents jailed for any reason. Teaching children to manipulate parents with the threat of suicide is a massive part of this entire contagion so adding a prison threat to that would be a bad move.
As someone who deals with gender dysphoria, I've mostly accepted that I'm definitely wired different from the other people around me who were born the same physical gender as me. And I had to kind of figure a lot of this out about myself post-high school because of the ADHD medication I was being prescribed at the time. And I still sometimes struggle with feeling embarrassed about liking girls clothes and feeling confident in what to me is a wildly new world of femininity. It's a feeling that I still don't understand why I feel this way about myself, but I certainly wouldn't be able to explore it without my loving partner and my friends. For me, I'm not asking to be prescribed drugs or have surgery because I don't feel I'm ready for that, and maybe I never will be. All I'm asking for is for someone to listen to what I feel and help me through what is a very confusing aspect of my life, just like anyone dealing with any mental needs. I just want to be able to say, "Hey, I like bad-ass ladies, and I also like feeling like a bad-ass lady!" Wanting to understand WHY you feel the way you do shouldn't be something that is mocked, but something that is celebrated, because that is how we grow, both individually and together. Through understanding. Throwing lots of love to everyone and I mean EVERYONE!
So be a badass lady. Life is confusing still at 50
@@iamwhoyousayiam6773 Amen to that. And thanks! ^_^
Why aren't we celebrating schizophrenia? People with delusions? Men who identify as a 6yr old girl is somehow something to celebrate? Why? Men in drag performing for little children is respected and celebrated... why?
@Lugosi Would you mind explaining that little bit more? I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.
@Lugosi What contagion are you talking about? Bigotry? Yeah, it's a REAL problem. Please do your part.
I've had this happen to me. luckily I've had quite a few people in my life that saw through it at supported me. there long term effects were more damaging for my abusers reputation.
Too many parents are more concerned with being good conservatives than they are with being good parents. Good on these folks for seeing their daughters through the dogma
So, you think it's ok for doctors to destroy the reproductive organs of minors?
Too many Parents are more concerned with Going Against Conservatives than they are with STANDING UP AGAINST CHILD GENITAL MUTILATION. You are the one blinded by liberal Dogma. You See Nothing wrong with Cutting off the Genitals of Someone Legally Too Young To Consent? You're a Predator or at least an Accomplice.
Your blind following of an ideological belief, that is experimenting on children, is the issue. Thankfully Europe is now turning its back on this poorly scienced nonsense and waking up to its dangers
Too many parents are more concerned with being woke than they are with being good parents. Good on decent folks for seeing their children through the dogma.
@@_Sakidora_ this right here. These people will sacrifice their children to be seen as progressive heroes
this is something we need to talk more about not less
The trans journalists association published a “style guide” in which they claim that they do not want these topics covered often:
“coverage of transition-related care tends to focus on the potential risks of such care, especially when it comes to young people. Journalists should cover these stories with extra thoughtfulness and not overemphasize them.“
When the topics are covered, the same document suggests that those with concerns regarding blockers and HRT for minors are “anti trans” and have a “fringe radical agenda.”
Interesting, right?
These so called “activist” groups (e.g., the trans journalists association) do not want dialogue or conversations on this topic. This in spite of the fact that the countries that have done systematic reviews of the empirical evidence for puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy for minors (Finland, Sweden and the UK) have backtracked on these interventions.
Very interesting indeed.
Perhaps these groups are afraid of the scrutiny for a very good reason.
@@ProkofNY that's totally understandable. I wouldn't want people with zero expertise discussing my child's cancer treatment either. I imagine that if children with cancer kept hearing, "no more chemo, it's not what God wants. This medicine is still experimental. People with cancer need to be eradicated from society," then they would be extremely damaged and afraid. Kids know that some kids will still die who have cancer treatment. They will know that some cancer treatments create new cancers that might eventually kill them. But they don't need to hear or read over and over that their treatment should be terminated.
@@ProkofNY what is the issue you have with the therapies that children are receiving? Which therapies are you referring to?
@@emmathompson7706 those deemed “gender affirming” interventions (i.e., puberty blockers, cross sex hormones) for which there is a weak evidence base as it pertains to minors. My concerns surrounding these interventions are plenty, including the many uncertainties surrounding them. My most pertinent concerns are:
A) Swedish health authorities conducted a systematic evidence review of gender affirming care for minors and concluded that the risks outweigh the benefits for these interventions
B) two other systematic evidence reviews have been conducted on the same topic that have also concluded that the evidence for these interventions ranges from low to very low in quality
C) these same conclusion have noted a change in demographics when compared with the very selective sample of the seminal Dutch study (which became the basis of the Dutch protocol) when compared to minors currently presenting in gender clinics
D) American associations advocating for these interventions have failed to conduct similar systematic evidence reviews and are ignoring the concerns expressed by scientists in other countries regarding the strong recommendation that they are giving based on weak data
Well Jon, now you should read the Cass report.
I had a friend who was born with 2 sets of sex organs so was raised as male . But tried to transition to female. Due to diabetes , had to discontinue drug therapy. Terribly sad 😔.
Life is messy, that sucks :/
That is NOT trans. You are speaking about a person with an intersex condition. Totally different things.
@@jhitchcock5503 So who should we discriminate against ?
@@roni6215 What does pointing out that you are talking about a completely different medical issue have to do with discrimination?
@@jhitchcock5503 Given that the child was intersex, their parents chose a male gender for them. The parents chose the wrong one, and later they wanted to transition their gender to female. How is that not transgender?
Thank you, Keisha Michaels, Debi Jackson, Jon and The Problem crew.
“…we lost our entire support system.”
😢
It amazes me how quickly a lot of Christians will abandon people when they have troubles, or are different.
Don't need no support system. Spoiled brats!
@Charles you're just admitting that you don't want trans people to have support now.
Wanting to have something essential to child development doesn’t make a child spoiled. I’m in school and taking numerous child development classes and every child deserves a support system and so does LITERALLY EVERY HUMAN. Talking to the wife bout how your mad the other football team is better than yours? Bam. That’s a part of your support system. Child crying because they fell over and bruised their knee so they go to their mom so they can get fixed up and maybe a kiss on that boo-boo? Bam. Support system. Teenager feeling suicidal and in need of help? Suicide prevention hotline. Bam. Support system. Grandma on her death bed? Family staying their to be with her? Bam. That’s. A. Fucking. Support. System. It’s human nature. Don’t be an ass.
@@icasuallyexist There is a big difference between essential care and systems that support and feed your dilussions. Bam!!!
“The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others”.
- your Mom
She was pretty wise.
Wow that is so dumb. If you don't approve of my life then you don't matter. Well I like to beat women children and puppies and I'm gonna need you to respect that or I'll assume your life doesn't matter. After all I'm justifiably angry because of all the abuse I've suffered so while I'm busy being a tyrant you can try and figure how to make me happy.
@Rachel Landry #karen4life
@@lady_draguliana784 any woman who doesn't advocate for the chemical and surgical castration of brainwashed children is a 'karen.'
@Rachel Landry yes. Respect other people. I know that is hard for you
Parenting is hard. There are too many back seat parents out there. Government definitely doesn't belong in making individual medical decisions which they are not licensed to do. Joe the plumber become statesman is not the person anybody is seeking medical advice from.
I'd take Joe the Plumber as my statesman any day before taking Bob the Statesman as my plumber. And I'd take medical advice from neither of them.
I hope this means you're good with abortion.
Guy dude who cross dresses is a lot different from trans female. Maybe kids should be stopped from making quick decisions before they fully understand who they are. Treatments that aren’t reversible shouldn’t be made illegal, but should be thought over very long and very carefully, which in this political climate they are not. -the conservative perspective
@@treysmith3448 Do you have ANY idea how many hoops a trans person has to jump through to be considered for medical transition?
Sorry to say the government is already making your medical fractions how clueless are you did you get vaxxed because the government told you ?? And if you have children and they mention in school the teachers do not have to tell you that they contacting social services to start your child on puberty blockers hmmm seems like the government is making medical decisions
Debate Matt Walsh
Have some self respect and quit pretending that mandrill ever made sense once in his life.
@@Montbiveau great argument
@@travisahlberg6030 That's not an argument, that's stating the obvious.
I am embarrassed by proxy at seeing you mentioning that guy.
Seriously get a grip, you cannot be that dumb.
@@Montbiveau wow. slander other side using insults instead of arguing with facts and reasoning. You're the perfect symbol of modern liberal.
Honestly, I'd love to see it. Which is why Matty will never agree to it in a forum he doesn't control.
So it's been this way for our population all along? And we are just now being receptive of this? Or is there a fundamental change going on? And why? These are the questions I'd like to explore. I think we should be beyond this battle of right and wrong and just explore the why.
I like the way you think. These are excellent talking points in my mind. And yes, this existed long before it became mainstream. I remember watching an old news video (60 minutes I think) on children who's dysphoria was so bad that some tried chopping their own private parts off with scissors. Back then, there was no outlet for children or adults to deal with how they were feeling so they took the most drastic means.
#JonStewartVsMattWalsh would be epic!
@jamukha who is the coward?
@@RainbowJemHxC The legendary pedophile defender known as Matt Walsh.
Jon is a pathetic hack that does not think for himself and will do anything for a few bucks... this conversation clip is what hell looks like
@@RainbowJemHxC Probably the guy who uses writers, a laugh track, and video editing during debates?
Walsh is right about this stuff, Stewart is wrong...but Stewart is a dangerous debating opponent even when the facts are against him. He's just too sharp, funny and glib for his own good. He wrecked Tucker Carlson on Crossfire 20 years ago...at the time, I thought it was the greatest thing I ever saw. Saw it again 5 years ago and realized that Stewart was (is?) basically just a sophist. Carlson was right, but Stewart just destroyed him.
Walsh kinda lost his cool about Stewart even by himself, on his own show. He's passionate about this--as we all should be. Stewart has the advantage of being detached from it; if he really cared about it, he wouldn't be defending the psycho bullshit he's defending.
Debates are largely rhetorical contests. Walsh is pretty good at that...but Stewart is phenomenal.
Wow. I have had no experience with trans, or very little. But I have had a somewhat similar experience. 99% of the world says that I am mentally disabled. I know that I am different, but I don't feel disabled. Strange. Humans seem to have a desperate drive for absolute conformity. When you listen to someone and get to know them, you can get past the labels and societal expectations. When you don't know someone - it's back to the labels. Life is complicated.
Progressives seem to have that drive, no one else does.
If being color blind makes you vulnerable for missing sex racism, what do you think sex blind does?
@@stacieking4458 I am sorry, I don't understand. You are too terse or I am too slow.
Big pharma monopolies are paying off propagandists like John to promote their products.
The majority of suicides among Trans folks happen after transition and using pharmaceutical drugs for years.
Nobody is against a person thinking their are a different sex. What people are against is pushing that nonsense on children. You cannot change your sex. There exists no surgery in the world that allows for changing one's gender. It's not okay to disfigure children.
Read the Cass Review that has just come out. You were wrong, Jon. Arguing with the findings at this point makes you no better than a climate change denier.
My child had been telling me he was a shark for so many years and i never listened, but once I started supporting and listening, my son opened right up. He lives in our pool and we love our shark boy more than ever. ❤
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You're conflating species with gender... very elementary error. The American education system is lacking.
You know this video should be full on uploaded here on UA-cam for more people to learn more abt this topic.
"Her being trans is the least interesting thing about her." 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
They weren't your friends. Friends and family who run away during difficulties...let em go. They'll never be a good support system bc they're only in it for themselves. Strength and peace.
Sage Advice.
Your friends and family should tell you how it is. You will never be a woman…
That woman is a liar and not a strong conservative - to actually be swayed by a child. What a crock of BS.
very true!
@@caroroj2395 You've just made a no true Scotsman logical fallacy. Like saying the Pope isn't Catholic becuase he said something you personally can't get your head around.
I'm glad Stewart came back to TV. It's good to have one more compassionate, and funny voice out there.
It's not compassionate to hurt your children Like this.
I as well I'm just annoyed that I can't watch the entire videos because I can't afford another platform. I wish they would release the entire episodes on UA-cam with ads I'd be fine with that.
Yup, that is what will help the usa, humor. It is a huge joke anyway.
This is a waste of time election season issue that effects merely 0.1% of the population.
@@dr.wolfstar1765 So I'm gonna bet you're no doctor.
I'm glad Ms. Jackson came around, but this speaks to something so often seen in conservative circles: there's zero sympathy or empathy for a situation until they've directly experienced it. Best example would be like Dick Cheney coming around on gay and lesbian issues (not saying LGBT because I don't know his stance on the B and T) when his daughter came out.
Stereotyping white people as psychopaths
Inb4 theres good ones
It's not empathy or sympathy it's literally not being aware of it. Someone can accuse you of being a heartless specieist for not fighting for a rare spider breed in the amazon jungle going extinct. You can't care if you don't even know it's there. If you wanna blame someone, blame the people that control the information and tailorfit it to the individual.
Btw that wouldn't be your fault either. You have finite time to your existence. You only have time to care about issues pertaining to things that matter to you. It's completely normal, so stop shaming others for just living. People care when they have a reason to care. You are exactly the same.
When people do finally have a reason to care about the same things you do, you still demonize them for it. You are the problem.
@@iamwhoyousayiam6773 Is it demonizing to point out that conservatives are against treating people with respect if the person is not what they perceive as normal or acceptable?
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I remember literally not being able to stand existing because I was female. It wasn't because I was trans. It was because of what people told me about being a woman. But under different circumstances I might have misunderstood those feelings as meaning I'm trans. If someone mistakenly believes they're trans and they go to therapy to figure out why they feel the way they do they'll find out they're they're not really trans. But if a child who mistakenly believes they're trans has parents and a therapist that just " Believes the child is who they say they are." there is no one to help them figure out they aren't really trans.
Maybe these two children are trans. I don't feel the need to prove whether anyone is trans or not. I just want people to take their to child to a therapist that will actually do they're job so the can know if they're actually trans. I want people to realize if you're just gender non-conforming you don't need to change pronouns or get any hormones or surgery. You can just be as gender non confirming as you want without transitioning in any way. If you really are trans and aren't just traditional masculine or feminine going to therapy to figure that out isn't harmful or damaging to who you. It's allowing you avoid harm by actually figuring out if this is who you are.
You shouldn't just unquestionably accept what the doctor tells you about gender affirming care. If you or you child has gender dysphoria you need to do actual research. Saying that medical associations support it isn't research. It's an appeal to authority logical fallacy. You need to not just accept unquestionably what an article or survey says. You need to critically read scientific studies.
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I expected this video would answer some of my questions, now i'm more confused than when i started. How could a child of 3-4 years of age even grasp the fundamental idea of what it means to be a boy or a girl? How would they understand if something was "incorrect?" When you're that young, you don't see yourself as anything, you are you. Labels and their implications only really come in a ways down the road ie around puberty/ teenager years. The only possible way they would come to that conclusion when they're THAT young would be an outside source influencing them into thinking that something must be inherently wrong with them.
Wait, what? Are you saying children who are 4 years old do not think of themselves as boys or girls? Not until puberty?
@@txlee5513 Sort of. Like, you know you're a boy/girl, but you don't really grasp the concept of that until you hit puberty. You don't do things at that age because you're thinking that's what a boy/girl would do, you do things because you like them and/or are interested in them.
1. children are intelligent
2. not all children are the same. just like not all adults are the same. Some know certain things right away, and some realize them later
3. don't act like you know other people's experiences. just like not everyone can know yours
4. knowing your gender isn't like getting drunk or trying marijuana for the 1st time. its not a decision, or something you have to reach a certain level of responsibility to realize
@@nutmegriot209 1.I got that.
2. Adults are multitudes more complex than children. While it is true some learn different things at different levels, a child is limited in the way they can comprehend things because their brain hasn't developed the capabilities for them to fully understand things.
3. I can understand other people's experiences. Which is why i'm questioning that which i do not understand. I am asking for someone to explain how a child could possibly develop into thinking that they are not the correct gender when that should be usually very unlikely.
@@chimeratheo1855 I edited my post to include a 4. Knowing your gender isn't a decision. Some children realize sooner then others. Some don't realize until after childhood or even later in life (often due to social structures, but that's another convo). Hope that helps
How are children mature enough to make such a long term decision? I don't understand.
They're not. That's why it's ruining lives.
@@medusaslair I agree. The logic that causes people to think that children are capable of that decision concerns me about a lot of other decisions children definitely shouldn't make. I'm hoping this stops now while it's ahead.
@@sethdanielw when did you know you were your gender?
@@RichConnerGMN It was too long ago to remember. Probably around 3 or 4 years old.
When someone who seems otherwise mentally coherent and well-adjusted tells you what's happening inside their own mind and heart and you can't accept it, you're the problem, not them.
There are plenty of murderers and human traffickers that “seem otherwise mentally coherent and well-adjusted”
What a stupid fuckin argument this is, at some point you have to make your own moral decisions based on your own understandings of how the world works, not just based on what delusions other people try to feed you
Not when that someone is a child.
@@robbiemontgomery581 Really? Does that apply to children who know they aren't trans, or just the ones that say they are? Do you even see the bias in your statement?
Trans people knew they were trans as children, just as non-trans people knew they weren't trans as children. Being trans is not some confused phase that children go through due to social media influence or something similar.
@@ericswidler8743 Nobody knows anything when they are child. Should children be allowed to consent to sex? Should children be allowed to get tattooed? Of course not, because they are incapable of comprehending the consequences of these actions. The vast majority of 'trans' children have underlying, multiple complex trauma, many of them are on the autism spectrum. And people like you are trying to sell them the idea that the root cause of all their distress is that they're in the wrong body and that it can be treated by mutilating their bodies with surgery and drugs. You must be out of your tiny mind.
From the ages of between 6-7 years old I understood that I wanted to be female. How I expressed it when I was 10-12 years old was through dressing up feminine in video games and at 12-14 years sneaking into my mother's closet. I was still a young kid who didn't fully understand it wasn't wrong in anyway to do that. I also was a huge homophobe and transphobe at 12 years old. But I can't really be blamed for that 100% because I was still a little kid. Around 15 is when I understood myself to be trans. I also thought I was Bisexual at 13. It really irritates me to see how people say that trans kids are invalid. Because I'm pretty sure wishing to be female, acting feminine in private and sneaking into your mother's closet isn't something a cis 12 year old would do. I do think to access these medications you should be required to receive counseling and understand what potential side effects which could come with these medications. It's ridiculous. Any age can develop mental illnesses and depending on the condition and age I see no issue with prescribing them the appropriate medication. HRT and hormone blockers have helped save hundreds possibly thousands of trans kids and adults.
Lawmakers who have no medical experience should not get the right to make these laws. I could understand prohibiting HRT and Blockers for a trans 10 year old. But I would like to add this on. Most people under 18 who pursue these treatments have already undergone puberty as their biological sex. Some who get on this medication are post puberty. Some are 15 or 16. Very rarely will it be a 12 year old who seeks these treatments. So long as they are monitored and understand the effects, then why is GAC a bad thing? It doesn't make sense.
You sound confused
@@David-jc9sc No, they don't
@David no you're confused
@@David-jc9sc That’s weird, because I found them very articulate, and on the other hand you just spat a stock phrase.
i heard harmone blocking drugs are dangerous
Look, we can't know what their child went through or is going through. But what it sounds like is that their child felt a lot more loved when they finally started loving him or her, transgender or not.
Great observation. 👍
so true...a sensitive child combinded with bullying, teasing, isolation, or shame because he/she is sensitive and feels different than others. Add lack of support from teachers/community, health care professionals giving them gender choices, and lack of socialization equals sadness, loneliness and confusion. Multiply that with social media and the the support from the loving LGBTQ community and this is what you get. Parents Hold On to Your Children!
The issue is these parents are pushing this stuff on them. It's kind of like vegan cats ... It's very clear who's making the decisions.
@@michaelernest7224 Did you even listen to the parents?? They literally said the the opposite.
@@killbotone6210 Yea I did. I don't believe a word they say. That lady said she wasn't woke.... That's an out and out lie. 99 percent of these parents are living vicariously through their kids because they think trans equals special and victim. It's abuse, the vast majority of these cases.
Wow
It again comes down to being able to trust that someone else had a different experience than you. I won't understand firsthand what it's like to suffer from gender dysphoria at age 3-4, but do I go around saying such an experience can't possibly be real and fearmonger about how this is all a big conspiracy to indoctrinate our children? That'd be insane.
Thank you John! 🏳⚧💕
I don’t know what being anorexic is like, but I do know that we shouldn’t be performing weight loss surgeries on anorexic teen girls because they “feel” like they are fat when the biological reality is something totally different. It’s medical ethics.
@@stephenschneider4221 false equivalence
@@stephenschneider4221 yes, I'm sure that anorexic teens are lining up for lipo and tummy tucks despite doctors and psychologists noting that they're unhealthy... you clearly don't understand Empathy...
Follow the money. Who benefits the most from gender dysphoria? Doctors receiving funding through pharma companies that are more than happy to push drugs on a human being for the rest of their life to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Regardless of all that though, do you trust parents to decide whether or not they should mutilate their kids gentiles?
They have MENTAL HEALTH doctors for a reason.
And those doctors generally support transition for their trans patients.
So, there's this thing called PREVENTATIVE CARE. MENTALLY HEALTHY AND PHYSICALLY HEALTHY PEOPLE CAN HAVE doctors WHO PROVIDE PREVENTATIVE CARE.
and MENTAL HEALTH doctors say that the treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning for a reason
nt, kid. yw
Time for home schooling.
I feel bad for your kids having to deal with the abuse you give them.
@@CyberBlastoise I feel bad for your kids and the brainwashing your giving them
@@CyberBlastoise I feel bad for yours that will believe that men can give birth
I know a trans woman who I met before her transition and got close to her during her transition. The "waking up" phenomenon is very real. The person she was as her dead name was very withdrawn and kept the world at arm's length.
Just being able to express her gender identity changed her within a few months. She is now 100 times more vibrant and it's hard to even reconcile who she was as her dead name with the person she is now.
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Children under 18 should not be making
permanent life choices.
@@ftgjt21 WTF does haircuts have to do with this? lol
@@LizardHouse watch the video dude
They aren’t
So you agree that 17yearolds shouldn't be taking out student loans, then. Not should they choose their own college. Or operate motor vehicles. Or have romantic relationships. Or complete high school.
@@ftgjt21 its age appropriate for 13yr olds to get double mastectomies? Not in my world it isnt.
Sucks that I can’t afford yet another streaming service so I can watch the full episodes!! Sure would be great if the powers that be would let the entire episodes be viewed on UA-cam!! (Hint, hint, wink, wink)
How many streaming services are you buying that you can’t afford another one? Why do you spend so much money on television? Do you really blow your whole paycheck to watch hollywood elites talking about mutilating children?
@Potato Hero if you think taking your kid to a psychologist is child abuse then I assume you're an Anti-vaxxer too... in MY opinion that makes YOU a child abuser whose kids should be taken by CSS immediately. same for Christian Science folk whom refuse ALL medical care.
@Potato Hero
You're the only one promoting child abuse.
Giving trans kids gender affirming care saves lives. It's why more and more medical professionals embrace it, while people like you run back to your favorite far right lies and discredited junk science.
@Potato Hero Yes, listening to experts on child welfare is totally child abuse. Sure thing.
the lastest three videos are literally the entire first episode. very little of the interview wasnt shown. You didnt miss anything. It's like with the john oliver show, he shows the good and longer parts on youtube. You hardly miss much.
These kids are tumbling around in a damned trend that will not be there as they age and they have already wrecked their lives. Damn you all have lost your damned minds.
Yes, trans trenders. Back in the day some kids used to be goth or emo. Tween dudes were hipsters a decade ago, adopting much of their personality and thoughts to match that trend. Leave the kids alone. I will never understand why that's a hard concept.
Just because trans-people are more visible now than they were in the past doesn’t mean it’s a trend. It’s very similar to the phenomenon of the “sudden influx” of left-handed people. When kids weren’t forced to wright with their right hand anymore, the number of left-handed people “increased”, not because it was trendy, but because they could be themselves now. It’s very similar with trans people as the world gets more accepting of them. Let’s make sure they don’t get forced back in the closet again!
You're one of those people that can't explain why they suddenly see so many of the same exact car that they just bought.
This is my first time visiting here. I was wondering, but now I know what The Problem With Jon Stewart is and it only took a bit over 3 minutes. Thanks for posting.
it's unacceptable that the rate of progress is limited to conservatives waiting to be personally affected by these issues. This is the direct result of a societal lack of emphasis on empathy, and a conservative focus on control, fear, and domination. Vested interest in ignorance. People who ask "what is a woman" have no clue how stupid it makes them look, and the fact that they think of it as a gotcha is infinitely embarrassing.
Sure thing buddy. "Trans" ideology is regressive and sexist, and anti-feminist anti-female rights, it is not progressive in the least
So, what is a woman then Kyle?
@@_Sakidora_ lmao how 2021, you still haven't figured out that this is a meaningless argument.
The problem with your question, embarrassingly since I just settled this and you still pursue it, is that the question itself makes no sense. Language quite literally does not work like that. There are no objective definitions for things like gender or sex. There are exceptions to every rule.
What is a table? It's the same thing. You can chase your tail with definitions forever and you'll never get closer to understanding what you're even asking about.
I lean left and I am a fan of Jon Stewart but unless there is a medical intersex condition then I am against "gender affirming" care for anyone under 18. Puberty is an important biological step. Adults can make their own medical decisions.
Waiting until 18 means they develop more of the outside characteristics of the gender they don't identify with and those are not as easily reversible or completely irreversible later in life. So it's not that simple.
So your fine with kids dying then under your terms most will be dead when pueberty hits, Blockers are reversible so you don't lean left, you lean with blood on your hands
This is the crux of the issue, missing puberty can be irreversible and puberty can be irreversible.
The problem is how do we know how’s going regret which of these?
This is where this becomes so hard until our science improves and honestly it becomes easier to be pro trans in conservative circles and it becomes possible to disagree with trans ideas without your life or job being destroyed we ain’t making much progress.
People like jon clearly know their careers would be over if they didn’t smile and nod so we’re not really getting honest convos on this subject right now. It’s anti trans hate speech from the right or smiling and nodding(to not lose their job) from the left means we’re not having honest convos on this right now and won’t be for a while.
You should probably watch the full episode before claiming the man is just smiling and nodding.
As for the science on it, it’s very far along. This isn’t some new thing to science.
Trans people have existed for longer than western society has.
The first medical transition in the United States was in the 1920s.
This became a hot button issue for conservatives in 2018, right before the midterms. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
Plenty of detransitioners out there too, vocal ones are harassed by the community, banned for hate speech on carious platforms. All for saying the medical community tricked them at a young age. Can we let them sue for damages? Sue their parents? Not under current law.
What the fuck she’s FOUR YEARS old
Munchausen by Proxy
And still a person
@@cookie8162 not a person who understands the consequences of their actions. Stop advocating the mutilation and lifetime dependence on pharmaceutical companies for children. It's demented and only being pushed for profit. None of the people behind this care about children. Far from it
Crazy.
I'm not even trans why am I crying 😭😭😭These parents are great❤️
I can empathise with the way you feel. I grew up in a highly homophobic country. Some of my friends from back in that time now have children who are in same sex marriages. When one of them broke the news to me about two of his children I could tell he was walking on eggshells. I wrote letters to both his children telling them that they would always have my love and support. Those letters meant a lot to them, but they meant more to me as I could let my friend's family know how much they meant to me without reservation. And now I have an extra couple of nieces by marriage. 😂
@@konradyearwood5845 this is such a positive perspective
fix the sound, it's so low compared to other youtube videos
WHAT??!!! Children are telling parents what?..
Keisha related to Lori Lightfoot
This is not a culture war, its a civil rights issue.
Thank you! Please say that loudly!
How so? Since when are trans folks getting beaten, shot, or choked on camera by law enforcement over a broken taillight? Who's trying to hinder them at the voting booth? If things are so bad with the trans community then they'd have no TIME to beef with Dave Chappelle. Black folks WISH our biggest enemy was a dang comedian. Please explain how folks who can effectively muscle others into buying into their ideology have their Civil Rights violated.
People are not simple.
Interview Matt Walsh
"the problem isn't underage sex, it's unmarried sex"
-matt "against child grooming" walsh
The parents: "We spent years taking our children to doctors so we could understand and be sure before we committed to even completely reversible hormonal treatment."
The comments: "WHO LETS A FOUR-YEAR-OLD MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN?"
That same 4 yr old is also believing in Santa and has 0 understanding of really anything. Kids are idiots, doesn’t mean we can’t listen but if we believe everything kids say we are doomed
@@MrPossum077 Yet we are happy to perpetuate the Santa fantasy going to great lengths, but it is wrong to have an honest conversation with the kids, in the presence of medical experts, and make an informed decision?
@@MrPossum077 you know you just Unironically made their point right
@@MrPossum077 Kids didn't invent Santa. They believe in Santa because their parents lie to them.
You didn’t listen. The four yr old knew what sex they were, but the parents ignored that. Later they thought he may be gay but then sought testing. They do not make changes on four yr olds. U r hearing what u want to hear. Listen. These parents did all the right things for their child with medical advice.
easy to dismiss these situations as abnormal, but once its your own child, oh boy, wakes even some evangelicals up, nice to see.
This is amazing the fact that they assume her transphobia and be able to say « i was wrong, i din’t really listen »
this is the only way to show youre kids the fact that you really care about them
Be proud to all effort you make to accept other and yourself !!!!!
Thank u to these parents and Jon!
I see that my all my comments were removed. Why Jon?
I see your comment. If you spam comments, you get filtered out
@@somethingginterestingg4275 Thanks for letting me know. Question: what are spam comments?
@@mygaygenes "all my comments" makes it sound like you are posting a lot of comments. So repeatedly posting probably gets flagged so 1 person/bot doesn't take up the whole page
reborn as a new child!
I started giving my 6 year old son anabolic steroids because he’s convinced he’s John Cena and because I’m a compassionate parent
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I started giving mine fentynal because he thinks hes Michael Jackson.
JOHN STEWART VS MATT WALSH!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, but it's not really a match up is it? It's sorta like a child going up against a Conor McGregor type. John really doesn't have the ability to take on anyone at this stage of his career.
John Stewart vs Child Groomer: 'Should people have human rights, lets's debate'
Not sure how this would go
The only match that matters is the final one between John Stewart and God. Spoiler: God doesn’t lose.
YES! Walsh totally wrecks Stewart's recent show in his own latest episode; explaining how he would've handled the interview differently than the lost lady from Arkansas (who Walsh says was chosen exactly b/c she would be no match for JS).
@@miau384 when you say ‘groomer’ are you referring to the people who convince their children that they are the wrong sex and then get them on hormones and puberty blockers and them get them mutilated as soon as they possibly can under the guise of human rights?
Hey Jon Stewart, why don't you invite Matt Walsh on your show?
It would have to be live, they'd edit the hell out of it.
@@billybatts8283 yeah, I know, those sneaky bastards are not to be trusted.
and Lizzo, now we're talking!!
Probably because Matt Walsh is the epitome of crass stupidity and cognitive bias, which is obvious to people with half a brain.
Nah, that would be ignorance and intolerance.
So if my 4 year old son, comes to me saying hes a serial killer, should I send him to jail?
No, you should encourage his fantasy in a healthy way. Maybe raise animals he can kill so he won't have to branch out to humans as victims.
@@ftgjt21 That was a statement not an argument..got it? An argument is when two people have a debate. Hope that clears things.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Hmmmm ok like Jeffery Dahmer you mean?
@@SteveWhy2022 Did his parents get him pets or did he hunt them down?
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 I think they got ‘em for him
My child is telling me she is a cat and wants to eat talk and act like a cat, thanks for this video it opened my eyes, I am going to accept her and support her as a cat, and buy her cat food.
The difference? No psychologist you took her to would affirm her identity as a cat. Your daughter wont have a high rate of suicide attempts if you deny her cat food. No peer reviewed studies would back her up. And she wont keep telling you shes a cat until shes a teen. You dont doubt the AMA doctors about cancer, why trans issues?
Wow johnny the walrus spoiler*yawn* tbh I love how you use this example yet you have no proof of a parent saying their child is a cat.
@@RainbowJemHxC your comment is discrimination against a whole community of people that identity as animals. They don't need to prove anything, they are who they are.
@@RainbowJemHxC Imagine gaslighting children into thinking they are something they are not and thinking you're one of the good guys. Children are impressionable. Stop pushing your nonsensical gender pseudoscience on them. Thanks.
@@mike8595 with their logic, all parents should believe their children, so if my child thinks he is superman and can fly and tries to jump out of 2 story house, should I believe him because thats what he believes or should I stop him and get him psychological help that he knows he is not superman and he wouldn't try to hurt himself by jumping out of the window ?
Thank you so much Jon for giving this your thoughtful attention 🩵
Stewart continues his "going woke" tour. This isn't a discussion, it's an anecdotal propaganda piece.
Think of the discussion if this mom was telling Stewart she was an atheist who learned to believe her child was actually getting messenger from God. That she's fully supporting the child's plans to go further into the church and demand to be addressed as a manner from God. HIGHLY doubt he'd have the "understanding" he's showcasing here.
@MissPoopySpoons mmm no. Not a false equivalency.
@MissPoopySpoons how so? Is it because you know exactly how this segment would have gone if that were the case? We can assume Stewart would be mocking the family and declaring child abuse based on past experiences.
He's nothing more than a talking head that spreads propaganda he knows little about. The way he went after the GOP when the DNC put a bunch of pork into the 911 bill showed how ignorant he is.
Exactly. You can find hundreds of detransitioners online. He won't dare interview those kids or there parents.
@MissPoopySpoons that's always what people go to when they don't have an actual convincing argument. A better argument would be if they were parents with kids who had detransitioned
@@Mandy-ve2sh good call. I should have went with that.
Children don’t know who they are ! As adults we know who we are tho ! Can’t you tel by our happiness levels @ constantly shunning others who are different !
Bizarre.
And delusional.
I was a girl before society made forced me into a mold and told me I should not care about what I felt. Then I broke out of that mold and transitioned. I am kinda jealous of the kids that broke out before 15.
Don't count on your comment staying here. They're deleting them.
I can't imagine white comments they are deleting. I've made numerous comments on this channel and mine have always stayed.
" They say it is all woke parents and activists and scientists..." Jon says to a panel of woke parents, activists and "scientists" lol
Did you watch the clip? Both Mothers said that they were not "woke." One if them is (or maybe was) a Southern Baptist evangelical.
The parents said they “were not woke enough”. 10 years ago this shit would sound insane and Jon Stewart would call it out, but a large percentage of people are the victims of this psychological operation. They have programmed you and tuned you like an instrument. Repeating nonsense over and over until it sounds rational to you now. If the right people say anything you will believe it. If a child identifies as dead do you give them a lethal injection? If they said you were a bigot for not doing so a fair amount of people would do it in a heartbeat.
@@lallyk3945 I don't care if they _said_ they were members of the Church of First Presleytarians. Rule one; the woke lie.
@@lallyk3945 but they are woke, whether they say so or not. Just like a man is a man, whether he thinks he is a woman or not.
Hey John, I'd love to see you debate this issue with Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire. I think it would be a productive and interesting debate. Hope to see you two soon. 👍
No way Jon will debate Walsh…would love to see it though.
Yes John we want to see it
It would be unproductive. It would be like if Jon debated a moldy loaf of bread. Not everything needs to be debated. Especially when Matt pushes dangerous rhetoric. Trans people aren't a problem to solve. They are people.
@@Emilia-wv1kj what exactly is the dangerous rhetoric? People with Matt’s beliefs believe they are people too. That’s exactly why people on the right are stepping up to say that it is immoral to profit off of confused people who have as much meaning as anyone else, especially kids whose minds are easily taken advantage of.
@@Emilia-wv1kj the debate would be over EXPERIMENTAL medicine being done on gender non conforming children. That needs to be discussed. Interesting u think that topic is as important as “moldy bread”. Sociopathic behavior.
Jon Stewart, a welcome nexus of nuance in this polarized world.
Nuance! Please! He does not dare scratch the surface on this topic. Notice what happened to the New York Times when they did. Jon is playing the game and getting a comfortable salary from it.
bet he wont interview matt walsh
So I will buck the trend here . What an adult decides for themselves is completely up to them.
We don't let children decide anything for themselves of substance. If you have a child making a claim about feeling like a gender, different than their biological gender . I really don't see a problem with providing the mental support both from family and friends as well as well professional psychologists to provide neutral support appropriate to the individual needs . Interfering with a child medically is ridiculous. We wouldn't let a 5 year old decide their diet never mind decide on physical medical interventions.
I never could understand why supporting a person's gender choice as a child and teen requires medical intervention. By all means let them dress and act within the gender they are most confortable. If you need to use different pronouns, ect be supportive , without being guiding .
If you feel like a certain gender then I don't understand why you can't run with that without altering your biology.
Let's get people to adulthood and then whatever physical medical changes they want to make . I have no issue with it.
For the 5 year old, social transitioning will be enough (like the things you mentioned: cloths, pronounce, etc.), no medication needed. But once you get close to puberty and the body starts to develop, feelings of gender dysphoria might increase. Therefore professionals might decide to put them on hormone blockers (witch are reversible) to put puberty on pause. The prescription of actual hormones doesn’t get relevant until the teen years. A lot of kids go through years and years of gender care until hormone treatment is even considered.
@@wiema1555 First let me address the calibre of your comments . No insults or name calling or condescension.
So no matter where else we may disagree on this topic . I wish to say thankyou .
A few thoughts. So let's take pre puberty example , 12 years old , roughly . Would we let that person decide they were ready for safe sex ? How about entering into the contractual arrangement of getting a credit card ? How about a tattoo?
We don't take kids too seriously in their ability to assess their desires and the consequences there of . For good reason.
That is why we have an age of majority before we generally allow binding and non biding decisions.
If someone is struggling with their gender identity. It seems too me our position should be one of support but not undue influence . I am concerned that declaring yourself uncertain , or asserting the opposite gender has become the fast track to allot of attention , that children at that age are quite susceptible too.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that gender dysphoria doesn't exsist . It seems to have exponentially grown in the last few years.
Finally , if this condition is just a natural off shoot of human possibilities. That is, a percentage of people have always been this way throughout history . Why does is it require medical intervention to be affirmed ? It seems to me that if this is who you are , the full acceptance of that should be the key component. It is a psychological condition not a physical one .
What an adult does , as long as it doesn't interfere with my rights and freedom of choice is ok by me .
Kids by their very nature are in constant change . Even ideas that are maintained all through childhood and teenage years can be discarded or reaffirmed once you obtain some new experiences and maturity .
@@troyzieman7177 Thank you for your response. About the decision making part: The child doesn’t take the decision to transition on their own (that would indeed be irresponsible). That’s why trans-kids need to see professionals, who carefully access what kind of treatment would be right for them. I get that a lot of people are concerned that trans-kids might regret transitioning. There is unfortunately never a 100% certainty that they won’t regret it. But the number of detransitioners is extremely low. It would be very tragic to deny a trans kid the care that they need just because of that risk. If waiting until adulthood for the transition wouldn’t have any negative side effects, that would be great. But if we wait until then, gender affirming care will be much harder and the body will have changed in ways that are difficult or impossible to reverse. And we know that transitioning improves the overall life quality. A lot of trans people have tried to accept their body, but that didn’t work for them. You can’t really change your brain and the attempt would be even dangerous (conversion therapy). Gender identity develops very early on in life and it is not something that we decide.
And I would like to address the growth of the trans community: I actually don’t think there are more trans people. People are just less scared to come out, so more people are openly trans and therefore more visible. Think about the influx in left-handed people after writing with your right hand wasn’t discouraged anymore. There were not actually more left-handed people, they just were allowed to be who they are. The same way trans people are now allowed to be who they are (even if there is a lot of work to do)
@@wiema1555 You lose me on the necessity to change the body to align with where you think you are .
Let's assume that person has a clear certainty that they are the gender they are not biologically attached too. The internal discovery of a truth is not advanced by physical alterations .
A child may be born shorter than what they might they feel is comfortable for them. Their desire to be taller doesn't have a physical solution you find solice and peace in other aspects of life .
The consultation of experts to address the physiological aspects of gender dysphoria makes sense to me . The desire to take a normal healthy biological gender and mutate it from its natural course does not seem rational too me .
All the medicines and surgery in the world cannot change your biological gender . You are simply masking a reality about yourself that is unalterable. If it is true that your claim that a persons brain has the gender it has , and any attempt to alter that is impossible or denial of truth . It would also stand to reason that a biological reality is also unalterable , it is also true and unchangeable.
Live how you wish , dress and act as you wish . If you affirm within yourself who you are , your outward presentation too the world is illrelevant .
You should find solice in that
@@troyzieman7177 I don’t think the goal is to get the same body as a cis-person, of course there are limitations. But the body is the thing (or one of the things) that causes the gender-dysphoria. And there is also so many things attached to that, think about social transitioning, people are still gonna perceive you as the gender you were assigned to at birth and are not gonna “see” your real gender, which is then gonna make you dysphoric again. It is also important to note, that not every trans-person feels dysphoric about the same things or feels the same amount of dysphoria, so the need for medical intervention can alter from person to person. I think the gender-dysphoria part is especially hard to understand for us cis-people, because we simply have the privilege to not have it. Because gender-identity is something so deeply ingrained in our self it is difficult to compare it to dissatisfaction we might feel about certain parts about our body (like wishing to be shorter). Many trans people have expressed how absolutely necessary their transition was for them, and they wouldn’t have survived otherwise. The conversation on the trans-matter is often held without including trans-people and sometimes it is forgotten that they are the experts about their own experiences who know what is best for them.
Ok Jon, now let's have 2 families of detransitioners tell their stories and hear their point of view.
So what’s their story? They de-transitioned. Period. End of story. What’s your point? Because some people had trouble with transitioning, were confused, or unhappy with their decision, therefore NO ONE should have the right to transition? What an UNEDUCATED, STUPID comment. Ignorance at its finest.
Most detransitioners detransition due to outside forces.
Like... *_Not Being In An Accepting And Supportive Environment._*
The small amount of people who detransition purely due to their own choice is "oh well it turns out i wasnt actually trans"
@@jurassicsmackdown6359 do you know the stats on teens that claim to be trans that “grow” out of it without medical intervention? You wont like that percentage. It doesn’t support your “religious” ideology.
Why does it matter who you have sex with? Nobody is within these parents four walls.
My children are 7,6,3 they do not spew bullshit because we don't tell them bullshit, you all need to stop lying.
Children only follow what they are shown, if your child is shown cartoons homosexuality is there in new cartoons, they have transgenders on Cartoon Network, Netflix, UA-cam, etc.
A child gathers it's personality and understanding of life through it's environment, and this is just how things are and have always been.
I'm not a conservative, I'm not into politics, I'm into life and this may seem harsh but children are like monkeys and do not develop out of this up to the age of 30.
The junk food diet of America, the indoctrination of public school, t.v., all play their part in creating confusion and distraction to weaken the people who fund everything.
The people are the platform and at any time if we don't like what's going on we can pull the rug, but not if we're dumb, drugged, and sick.
@@15PercentShift"im not conservative but" own up to it coward
A 3 year old boy tells you they are a girl? Really? How can you allow a 10 year old child to make such decisions? What's this world coming to?
Haha yes. Trans care is when 3 year olds play with a Barbie doll for half an hour.
You can’t take HRT until you’re 16 and you need to be prescribed therapy by someone whose literal job it is to discern gender dysphoria in patients. Little Jessica doesn’t just walk in, say “yo I’m a dude now” and get put on testosterone.
@@JustSoggyBread OK. And when are puberty blockers prescribed? I'm going to hazard a guess here and say...before puberty? Shot in the dark, I know.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction And you know why puberty blockers are prescribed early on?
Because they're considered safe and reversible enough that if little Jessica ever decides to remain little Jessica, her entire life isn't messed up. Children are prescribed puberty blockers for reasons entirely unrelated to transitioning. This is not some new-age science still in its experimental phase.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction No in the majority of cases it's actually after puberty
@@davidspears700 That doesn't make any practical sense whatsoever. It's like a pregnant ...person (🙄) taking birth control pills; that horse has already left the stable. I know the original purpose for puberty blockers was for children who suffered conditions where the treatments triggered early onset puberty. Is that what Jon means when he compares 'gender healthcare' to paediatric cancer treatment?
Who is this fancy host? Jon Stewart hasn’t worn a blazer since 2014
Well, he is talking to parents who bravely had to face their whole communities to defend and love their children for who they are. These people command our respect. Of course Jon gotta wear a blazzer.
The irony is that if you look at the etymology of Trans it means “on the other side” of or “across from”.. so calling someone transgender or is actually the correct way to identify bc it means on the other side of the gender/sex or across from the gender/sex which you were birthed as. But calling a biological man that transitions into a woman a trans women would imply they are on the other side of or across from a woman which would mean they are actually still identifying as male which is biologically true, yet I don’t think that’s the terminology they should’ve adopted if they truly want to claim they are women too. Replacing gender with man or woman has a different meaning altogether when you have “ trans” in front of it.
This immediately made me tear up. I cannot imagine having to change your mind about something that you know everyone will shun you and your child for and potentially hate and having the bravery to go through with it.
Jon Stewart never fails to show who society, left or right (and often both), has failed.
@Dojo Breaker say it loud! Society has failed all of us, but don't forget we have the power to change things.
I have to wonder how much of the depression and suicide we hear about comes from a lack of acceptance and understanding from people close to these kids, let alone the state, rather than from the "dysphoria" itself. It starts with parents. If a young person feels a certain way and is consistently discouraged from feeling that way, or shamed for feeling that way, or worse, especially from parents, I'm pretty sure that's the effect that will be most devastating.
Family acceptance cuts the depression rate by nearly half, although that is usually in addition to affirming care. Still, if you looked in the mirror every day and saw a stranger and never felt like yourself (dysphoria) you still wouldn't be happy.
The way parents treat their children is extra important, because American kids seem to be very restricted in their movement. Dutch kids can easily roam around at a young age and get some independence. When you're confined to the house and car, with parents that don't accept you, that's like prison. ua-cam.com/video/oHlpmxLTxpw/v-deo.html Not Just Bikes on raising happy kids.
There's still a high suicide rate among even those who live in supportive environments because surprise surprise changing the physical is no guarantee of fixing what is fundamentally mental issues.
@@modernmind5872 right like its a world of help to have a support system but unless you fix what's causing this then you'll be left with someone who wakes up feeling every day just as disconnected from their reflection as before.
So rather than going about to try to make them accept themselves for what they are it is better for them to go along with their delusion, mutilate their bodies and give them a lifetime of physical suffering, resulting in their sterilization, and giving their parents and then they themselves thousands upon thousands of dollars of medical bills for life so that the doctors and hospitals profit off of their suffering? If a person is confused you straighten them out with truth and help them to understand, you love, honor, cherish, and respect them through the truth, not through capitulation to delusion and lies! It is not loving to someone to play to their confusion and destroy them! Many more people who have so called transitioned have committed suicide than those who were denied the transition! Satan is the author of confusion! Truth is truth, and EVERYTHING else is a LIE!
Another issue that should be between a doctor and his/her patients. Maybe isolated news pieces to provide information and support but it’s not a legislative matter.
Everything they make laws for is a legislative issue.
This is literally a civil rights situation 😂
@Rachel Landry Yeah! How DARE someone have a different life experience than I do! UNCONSCIONABLE!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 #karens
No adult, no doctor, can possibly ethically make that decision for a child. This is strictly an individuals decision that can only be safely made when they child becomes an adult and has the mental capacity to understand the complete ramifications of these medical decisions. I think deep down you all know it too but it's easier to cave to all the extraneous details.
@@mint_soup9743 Or just educate yourself on the subject. Pretty easy.
Does the world really need that many baristas?
It still doesn’t explain the hormone blockers and body altering surgeries. Why can’t we accept the child as they are?
As someone who wants to always err on the side of compassion, a sincere question: Why and how can we trust kids with making irreversible life-altering decisions that come with serious surgery before the age of 18? Why do we deny children under 18 the right to make choices about so many similarly permanent procedures?
There’s a misunderstanding here that’s rehearsed a lot.
No ten year old is able to walk into their primary physicians office and ask for a 5mL vial of estradiol valerate and a 3 month supply of testosterone blockers. Before children have access to any affirming care, they are often intensively screened by professionals for sometimes years before they even get to touch puberty blockers (still reversible), let alone hormones or surgeries.
These processes are intensive and while, yes, there are anecdotal situations of doctors rushing this process for vulnerable people, the majority of times this is not the case.
When we stop trusting our professionals, and would rather lean on politicians who wrongfully lead us to thinking we have a choice in these families’ lives, we damage them and replace their credibility with our own enthusiasm. ‘Let kids be kids’ needs to be recycled back at the adults who use them as pawns for their own conservative beliefs against the trans community, the doctors, the educators and the families that love these people.
Adding on to say that not getting treatment, and letting natal puberty take its course, is also an irreversible life-altering decision
Still waiting for a citation for the studies you claim exist.
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Oh man all the subhuman scum coming out for this comment section, nice
Trans kids know what they are at very early ages. Because it is not about sexual attraction, gender dysphoria is about the expression of the self at the most fundamental level. The questions, “Who am I, what am I?” You can see it when you witness your baby notice their hands and realize that hand is their hand. That discovery of selfhood, like when I was 3, I remember smelling a yellow rose and realizing what my nose was for.