I've never had a Garrett ball bearing turbo fail, and they are technical leaders in turbochargers ... that said I'm going with Pulsar because I can't justify spending 3x the price for a turbo that is not going to be stressed to the maximum.
To be fair, the old Garrett GT series used a tiny bearing package that, while reliable overall, is puny compared to what is in the G-series or an EFR for example. So, as long as Pulsar is also using the larger bearing package, it should handle quite a bit of abuse. The quality of the bearings is one of the biggest questions. Hard to determine without knowing exact source though!
@@Scoots1994 Of course, if that's the case. However, there is no evidence of that. In the case of billet Wheels, China is perfectly capable of using forged billet aluminum of quality just as good as what Garrett uses. Many big brand turbo companies source components like this from China as is. The turbine is more complex for sure, but it's not like China can't produce Inconel as well. They are likely a major supplier for large companies for that as well. Very rarely do we see any Chinese turbochargers fail because of inadequate wheel materials, while the quality of bearings can vary drastically and be hidden entirely in the CHRA. That's all I'm saying.
@@802Garage I didn't say anything about China. Products are often made well, get a good reputation, then try to maximize profits and that leads to cheaper components being used. Boeing is a US company that is suffering from that very problem. And, like Boeing, the company is not always aware that the metal they purchased are not up to the specs they need.
@@Scoots1994 Yeah for sure totally get you and agree! Enshittification of everything for profits is a major issue. It's why sometimes even products that used to be considered inferior can surpass what they were based on.
Nice info! They definitely did a hell of a job cloning. Then it just comes down to material quality, which in many aspects I would bet is similar. The bearing package is going to be the most expensive component you would hope isn't cheaped out on.
While the wheel specs are the same, Garrett put their money in the twin piston sealed bearing cartridge and the turbine wheel is made from Mar-M alloy. Without and in depth comparison of the inner workings I wouldn't write off the Garrett. Some say they are a rip off but there is a reason others copy them, they spent millions on R&D / manufacturing. Much easier to reverse engineer something than make it from scratch. A Pulsar turbo is cooler than a fake Rolex but they are in a similar vein.
My issue with the G-series is just how expensive they are. They are a massive step up from older Garrett turbos in so many ways, but when they are 1.5X the price of a Borg Warner EFR for example, they just don't feel like good value. Sweet turbos for sure, but you gotta pay to play.
said like a person who has never had a PSR, im making 1760hp @38psi from my 98mm on my built 427 LS im happy with mine, i dont run it with that much boost around town its an easy 800-1000hp best thing i ever did was go with a PSR, i got my 98mm, 2x 50mm wastegates, 2x 50mm pop valves and a titanium nappy 1/2 the price of a Garrett alone
@@LSturboguy I have no doubt it's a solid setup. I run an Aeroflow turbo which is a similar price/quality to a PSR. Keep in mind when I posted this 1 year ago their product branding was blatantly copying Garrett, they have since changed many of the product names.
I run pulsar on all my cars .. t51r mods. Gtx3076 , g42-1450 and g30-660 all set top notch turbos , wouldn’t use anyone else either cause you’ll never find another turbo of same quality for pulsars price
It's getting to the point where the knockoffs from China sometimes are so good that it's not even worth buying the genuine thing. I'm sure if you're a professional race team, Garret units have better quality control and that matters, but for the price you just can't beat the Pulsars.
c’mon guys you can get either T4 or V-band from either company, plus they’re interchangeable, because the A/R can vary depending which is offering what. So if one has the A/R you want and not the other, np.
A buddy did a single turbo conversion with the pulsar g42 1200 on his Audi S6 (4.0tt). The turbine exploded. He said it’s not real inconel. Replaced with the true Garrett g42, no issues. Could be due to the extra heat that engine produces
@@coreywarner3186 Verification that the Pulsar turbines are not Inconel and that they can potentially explode. Do you have a link for this report... Forum? Video? Blog?
It is real inconel. My local turbo shop did metal hardness testing on it and it was inside of the measurements. You need to remember that there are different rated inconels. Garrett just may be a better quality one.
need to do spool test on something like the n54, I did tests with the pulsstar G30-900 and genuine Garrett. the pulsstar was HORRIBLE. even with a 0.84ar turbine housing, the pulsstar was 800rpm slower to spool to 32psi. taking 4800rpm in 3rd from 2500rpm. My genuine Garrett g30-900 spooled 32psi at 4000rpm while being in a bigger 1.06ar housing. unfortunately didn't have a Dyno but the pulsstar felt significantly slower and I lost the ability to get my xi awd to go a bit sideways from a launch. even swapped my 225 rear tires back on from my 255s
Well they make a T4 divided housing for the Garrett too. Maybe he didn't have that one to compare but that isn't something to use to make your choice because u can get both options from garrett
Here’s the thing with this we don’t know if materials or aerodynamics or anywhere near as good as Garrett. Yes it might be a copy, but you also have to worry about bearing cartridges and things like that. Balancing and well done. also, how the exhaust enters against the turbine wheel matters too how do we know any of that is the same or how it exits from the compressor wheel. I’ve seen many times copies nowhere near the amount of power. I just don’t understand when you get to this size and hp why would you go to a budget turbo.
the Pulsar turbos are the best value turbo you can buy, even there top end turbos are still 1/2 the price, i purchased my s498 98mm t6 cer bearings cost $2.2k and i can tell you there not your ebay turbo there well built, tollerance are spot on, i might add ive contacted them a few times for advice they have always reponded quickly with good advice, all i can say is look at their range and just buy the one you need save your money for wastegates and pop valves and nappy i did and havent got a bad word to say about them, im not the only 1 who got them and feel the same way
You could get 3 gt42 turbos for the price of one Garrett. I like power and to drive so as long as it makes boost. I don’t give a shit what the name says. Although the cheap ones have been proven to hold up the same power numbers
For the price you cant beat the pulsar . Nothing wrong with garret but pulsar is good for the price . I have 2 gt 3582r garrets and a 3584 pulsar . Bush vs bb pulsar wins .
So i hear stuff on both sides. Garett says "quality" and pulsar says "price!" Yet i can't find any psr failures. I have the money for garett but id like to spend my money in the right place
I find it funny that you deleted my original comment lol! Was it stating too many facts and simultaneously making you look ignorant? Just FYI If you reach a point of not being able to argue or defend your side any longer, it might be time to educate yourself instead of deleting comments. If you are truly right you might want to showcase that by showing actual evidence of why you are right. You can't just delete conversations in real life... BTW, I wouldn't have given two shits if you had originally said "we make a quality knockoff garrett turbo for cheaper." But you didn't, instead you were acting like you guys are some geniuses making a better turbo than garrett and claiming it makes more power. Yet also stating it's dimensionally the same...Those two things cannot be simultaneously true unless you have a composition difference... The truth is you are knocking off someone's actual hard work and then claiming you did it better.... Come on bro, just admit that you have a decently well copied turbo that maybe good for most for cheap. But don't say it's better without stating why, or atleast showcasing some verifiable evidence to prove your statement!
I agree , i had a Garrett GTX 3076 and it arrived deffective , i got refunded , later on i found the Pulsar G30-770 for less than half the price of Garrett , i made 495whp and 450lbs tq at 20psi E50 Mix on a 4Cyl 2.3 MazdaSpeed 3 , Pulsar works like a charm , great quality product !!
@@加油台灣-f6m what was the response like? I'd be keen to see the dyno sheets for both to show the behaviour if you could upload them somewhere and link to them!
It would be interesting to see a dyno comparison of the two
If our customers provide the data I'll share it with everyone
I test already it almost the same with garrett, GARRETT G25-660 475WHP on ej25 engine pulsar 467 whp
@@加油台灣-f6mwhat about the power curve? Is it pretty much 1:1?
Dyno only tells part of the story, although it would be a start
Yes ,dyno almost same
I've never had a Garrett ball bearing turbo fail, and they are technical leaders in turbochargers ... that said I'm going with Pulsar because I can't justify spending 3x the price for a turbo that is not going to be stressed to the maximum.
To be fair, the old Garrett GT series used a tiny bearing package that, while reliable overall, is puny compared to what is in the G-series or an EFR for example. So, as long as Pulsar is also using the larger bearing package, it should handle quite a bit of abuse. The quality of the bearings is one of the biggest questions. Hard to determine without knowing exact source though!
@@802Garage The quality of the metal for all of the spinning parts of a discount choice is always a concern.
@@Scoots1994 Of course, if that's the case. However, there is no evidence of that. In the case of billet Wheels, China is perfectly capable of using forged billet aluminum of quality just as good as what Garrett uses. Many big brand turbo companies source components like this from China as is. The turbine is more complex for sure, but it's not like China can't produce Inconel as well. They are likely a major supplier for large companies for that as well. Very rarely do we see any Chinese turbochargers fail because of inadequate wheel materials, while the quality of bearings can vary drastically and be hidden entirely in the CHRA. That's all I'm saying.
@@802Garage I didn't say anything about China. Products are often made well, get a good reputation, then try to maximize profits and that leads to cheaper components being used. Boeing is a US company that is suffering from that very problem. And, like Boeing, the company is not always aware that the metal they purchased are not up to the specs they need.
@@Scoots1994 Yeah for sure totally get you and agree! Enshittification of everything for profits is a major issue. It's why sometimes even products that used to be considered inferior can surpass what they were based on.
Nice info! They definitely did a hell of a job cloning. Then it just comes down to material quality, which in many aspects I would bet is similar. The bearing package is going to be the most expensive component you would hope isn't cheaped out on.
While the wheel specs are the same, Garrett put their money in the twin piston sealed bearing cartridge and the turbine wheel is made from Mar-M alloy. Without and in depth comparison of the inner workings I wouldn't write off the Garrett. Some say they are a rip off but there is a reason others copy them, they spent millions on R&D / manufacturing. Much easier to reverse engineer something than make it from scratch. A Pulsar turbo is cooler than a fake Rolex but they are in a similar vein.
My issue with the G-series is just how expensive they are. They are a massive step up from older Garrett turbos in so many ways, but when they are 1.5X the price of a Borg Warner EFR for example, they just don't feel like good value. Sweet turbos for sure, but you gotta pay to play.
said like a person who has never had a PSR, im making 1760hp @38psi from my 98mm on my built 427 LS im happy with mine, i dont run it with that much boost around town its an easy 800-1000hp best thing i ever did was go with a PSR, i got my 98mm, 2x 50mm wastegates, 2x 50mm pop valves and a titanium nappy 1/2 the price of a Garrett alone
@@LSturboguy I have no doubt it's a solid setup. I run an Aeroflow turbo which is a similar price/quality to a PSR. Keep in mind when I posted this 1 year ago their product branding was blatantly copying Garrett, they have since changed many of the product names.
I run pulsar on all my cars .. t51r mods. Gtx3076 , g42-1450 and g30-660 all set top notch turbos , wouldn’t use anyone else either cause you’ll never find another turbo of same quality for pulsars price
It's getting to the point where the knockoffs from China sometimes are so good that it's not even worth buying the genuine thing. I'm sure if you're a professional race team, Garret units have better quality control and that matters, but for the price you just can't beat the Pulsars.
Pulsars quality control is as good as any other brand and the servic and support is the best ive ever had
c’mon guys you can get either T4 or V-band from either company, plus they’re interchangeable, because the A/R can vary depending which is offering what. So if one has the A/R you want and not the other, np.
A buddy did a single turbo conversion with the pulsar g42 1200 on his Audi S6 (4.0tt). The turbine exploded. He said it’s not real inconel. Replaced with the true Garrett g42, no issues. Could be due to the extra heat that engine produces
Do you have a link for that information?
@@seahorse5677 link for what information?
@@coreywarner3186 Verification that the Pulsar turbines are not Inconel and that they can potentially explode. Do you have a link for this report... Forum? Video? Blog?
It is real inconel. My local turbo shop did metal hardness testing on it and it was inside of the measurements. You need to remember that there are different rated inconels. Garrett just may be a better quality one.
Bs. Don't believe this for a second. He probably over spun one and not the other.
need to do spool test on something like the n54, I did tests with the pulsstar G30-900 and genuine Garrett. the pulsstar was HORRIBLE. even with a 0.84ar turbine housing, the pulsstar was 800rpm slower to spool to 32psi. taking 4800rpm in 3rd from 2500rpm. My genuine Garrett g30-900 spooled 32psi at 4000rpm while being in a bigger 1.06ar housing. unfortunately didn't have a Dyno but the pulsstar felt significantly slower and I lost the ability to get my xi awd to go a bit sideways from a launch. even swapped my 225 rear tires back on from my 255s
also looks like a point vs flank milled compressor wheels
its the same, I compared a gtx3584rs to a pulsar copy 3 years ago. Just dyno'd a G35 and made the same as a legit one on 50+ psi
U ran 50psi on a pulsar 😮
Well they make a T4 divided housing for the Garrett too. Maybe he didn't have that one to compare but that isn't something to use to make your choice because u can get both options from garrett
Here’s the thing with this we don’t know if materials or aerodynamics or anywhere near as good as Garrett. Yes it might be a copy, but you also have to worry about bearing cartridges and things like that. Balancing and well done. also, how the exhaust enters against the turbine wheel matters too how do we know any of that is the same or how it exits from the compressor wheel. I’ve seen many times copies nowhere near the amount of power.
I just don’t understand when you get to this size and hp why would you go to a budget turbo.
lol i counld agree less, what you said is rubbish sorry blow you obviously have never had a PSR so your really talking out of your ass
the Pulsar turbos are the best value turbo you can buy, even there top end turbos are still 1/2 the price, i purchased my s498 98mm t6 cer bearings cost $2.2k and i can tell you there not your ebay turbo there well built, tollerance are spot on, i might add ive contacted them a few times for advice they have always reponded quickly with good advice, all i can say is look at their range and just buy the one you need save your money for wastegates and pop valves and nappy i did and havent got a bad word to say about them, im not the only 1 who got them and feel the same way
📱 🎶 Hello we’ve been trying to contact you regarding your turbo’s extended warranty.” 😅
I would be more concerned about the quality of the chra and the wheels. I wonder if pulsar buy their chras off garrett???
What pulsar turbo is the same as the Garrett g42-1200? Is it the psr 7170g?
I run a PSR gtx3076r and it's faultless..
for how long at what psi and what engine if i may ask? im thinking about the psr 4849g (g25-550) for my audi 1.8t stroker build
@@Borgle 30psi for about 3 years now
Just ordered a pulsar g35 900
Looking to order the same turbo. How’s it been holding up?
Hey i am about to get a g30-900 how does your turbo hold so far ?
@@alek_gk it's been good, no issues
You could get 3 gt42 turbos for the price of one Garrett. I like power and to drive so as long as it makes boost. I don’t give a shit what the name says. Although the cheap ones have been proven to hold up the same power numbers
For the price you cant beat the pulsar . Nothing wrong with garret but pulsar is good for the price . I have 2 gt 3582r garrets and a 3584 pulsar . Bush vs bb pulsar wins .
Is the G42-1200 a direct or very close fit replacement for GTX4294 Turbo?
So i hear stuff on both sides. Garett says "quality" and pulsar says "price!" Yet i can't find any psr failures. I have the money for garett but id like to spend my money in the right place
Only failures I've heard of are from oil starvation
Does anyone have this turbocharger on their Polaris RZR? What can you tell me about its performance and quality?
is goood quality pulsar gen 2 ?
I don’t see a t4 1.01 ar devided housing option in the pulsar website … only .85 ar
I find it funny that you deleted my original comment lol! Was it stating too many facts and simultaneously making you look ignorant? Just FYI If you reach a point of not being able to argue or defend your side any longer, it might be time to educate yourself instead of deleting comments. If you are truly right you might want to showcase that by showing actual evidence of why you are right. You can't just delete conversations in real life... BTW, I wouldn't have given two shits if you had originally said "we make a quality knockoff garrett turbo for cheaper." But you didn't, instead you were acting like you guys are some geniuses making a better turbo than garrett and claiming it makes more power. Yet also stating it's dimensionally the same...Those two things cannot be simultaneously true unless you have a composition difference... The truth is you are knocking off someone's actual hard work and then claiming you did it better.... Come on bro, just admit that you have a decently well copied turbo that maybe good for most for cheap. But don't say it's better without stating why, or atleast showcasing some verifiable evidence to prove your statement!
I think it's made from the same chinese factory, it will be too hard to perfect clone this kind of product
You want quality you pay, you want long lasting you pay.
If you want bargain price for bargain hp then go for it.
pulsar 25 psi CRASH----- Garrett 40 PSI again powerfull
I make 36psi no problem through my pulsar....1070hp
Dyno difference?
Almost the same
Pulsars make more power.
It messures diffeent and your saying its the same lololol
What pulsar t4 turbo is it?
7170g
Is there not a law against copying people shit?
if that was the case china would of been canceled from sending shit over here decades ago....
The difference is the price !
Pulsar = affordable
Garret = rip off
Equal results
You pay for what you get.
I agree , i had a Garrett GTX 3076 and it arrived deffective , i got refunded , later on i found the Pulsar G30-770 for less than half the price of Garrett , i made 495whp and 450lbs tq at 20psi E50 Mix on a 4Cyl 2.3 MazdaSpeed 3 , Pulsar works like a charm , great quality product !!
@@MrJorgecoste the only people who disagree are the ones that paid for a Garrett
My gtx3584 was $950
Garrett is $4500
I test already, same dyno same car
2010 sti garrett g25 660 475whp , pulsar 467whp , I think it almost same
@@加油台灣-f6m what was the response like?
I'd be keen to see the dyno sheets for both to show the behaviour if you could upload them somewhere and link to them!
do not by ---sputnik
one turbo cost ten times less too make
yet it’s half the price!
Nah, buy garrett every time fellas!
chinese turbos aren’t cool!
its about 1/3 the price and same quality. have one on my race car . has outlived 3 engines.
@@Mp-jw1qg Honda?
Try before you talk. Experience is better than any word is.
You just sound pissed you overpaid for a Garrett. Will never go back to Garrett. Everyone I know runs pulsar and making 1000-1400hp no problem
It's harder to copy quality, performance and reliability.
But did