I just watched your video about the Beyerdynamic MMX300 Gen. 2 I already left the like :), I would like to know which headset do you think is the best to play fortnite? hear the footsteps well if the enemy is up or down? I have Cloud II but honestly I didn't like it very much, I used the superlux hd681 before and I didn't feel much difference from one to the other.
Dt990 250 ohm are better at everything then these headphones I looked at the frequency response they have more bass better treble more soundstage plus they’re good for gaming, i power them with the audient Id 4 for $200 powers them perfect and don’t get the dt1990 they’re straight up worse and people like to get them, the dt990 are at least the best headphones for me until something new comes out and is able to beat it but for now they’re my forever headphones.
Keep in mind you have to burn them in them in for 7 days to a month depending on how much you use them, reviewers get them and don’t know that and think they’re harsh but after this period it becomes one of the smoothest headphones on the market.
The separation issue is because of the source. I don't have this problem with the Mayflower ARC Mk2. I hear things before anyone else does in PUBG, and are able to find other players location with ease.
Been competitively gaming with these for the last few months. Strongly disagree with your opinion of them not being great at positional audio. At this point I've tried a couple of dozen gaming headsets and more "audiophile" headphones, but nothing beats the MMX 300 + FiiO K3 combo for me.
aahh at last, somebody talk about pubg. i was gonna buy this headset but scared when he said it was not got at Soundstage. i just play pubg and i think im gonna go with this. thanks guys. 😊
I agree the virtual surround seems to make them sound real weird at least on my sound blaster x4. However when listening to music if I use the direct mode on my dac it sounds incredible
Have my MMX 300 Gen. 1 since 2014, i had one cable break 2 years ago but i sent it to Beyerdynamic and repaired it for a few €, besides that it´s just impressive.
The reason you might be having issues with the positional audio might just be the equalization towards bass. The best headsets for competitive gaming are neutral or skew towards mids and treble, as those frequencies are typically the ones with the footstep sounds. Its been well know in the audio industry for decades that more bass=sounds better to consumers, so why would Logitech make such a flat and neutral headset that objectively sounds worse? Because its made for competitive gaming. This is a problem with headphones in general, what is best for competitive gaming isnt best for immersive single player games or movies.
When qualified engineers from Beyerdynamic design this wonderful gaming headset they design special pads too but this guy changed oryginal pads for some aftermarket leather pads and says„not for gaming because I have problem with positioning…” IQ 200😅
@@riddick5019They didn't designed them for that purpose, more for dampening the outside while not dampening the inside. Sidenote, the pads do as little as nothing to positioning to earphones. A Pad inside the actual headphone or on the speakers would, as it changes volume and sound impedance by a much higher margin and is actually done in some headphones.
Hey ! I have the mmx300 and was concerned about positions too on Cod MW, no problems for csgo tho. Bought a mixamp tr4 to couple my mmx300 with, now it’s insane to me how I can spot some little details easily (better than my Hyperx cloud II, clearly).
I paired mine with a Schiit Hel amp and they are absolutely amazing sounding. I can tell where enemies are before my friends can. Love it. I’m on the stock pads. Tried other pads and it changed the sound not for the better.
@@StrangeDoctor_ Pretty good, I'd get however a DT770 Pro (same but without mic), 32ohm if you don't use an amp/dac, 80ohm if you do, and get a separate mic for a better price / quality. I don't know what's the best options though but it's great value for its price
I have the mmx 300 w both the choice letter and stock pads. The choice leathers are soo much more comfortable and the sound is more “dynamic”. They definitely make the headset really “fun”. That being said the leather pads completely kill the sound imaging and changes the sound. They make your ear further away from the driver, boost the bass and change the treble. This headset was tuned this way with the original pads to be advantageous for gaming. I get superb sound imaging with the stock pads on but the treble being boosted can be a little fatiguing.
Put thicker perforated leather/ velour hybrid earpads on my dt990 pro and it made it sound even better. The pads also fit my mmx300 and it also made those sound even better.
I have these and I strongly disagree with the directional separation thing you said..I came from the logi pro's, then to these.. With the MMX's I can pin point enemy movement from greater distances than I found with the logi's. I couldn't recommend these enough. I would only consider upgrading once I could afford the DT1990's with a rhode mic or something..
When qualified engineers from Beyerdynamic design this wonderful gaming headset they design special pads too but you changed oryginal pads for some aftermarket pads and you saing „not for gaming because you have problem with positioning…” IQ 200😅
Okay, I have a pair of these myself. Currently what I use pretty much all the time. I have to assume that your complaints about positional audio come from you being more 'used to' more 'neutral' headsets that don't have as deep a soundstage to pick through. A lot of 'gaming' headsets are designed to emphasize the footstep noises in their range. The Beyerdynamics focus on overall sound. Because you aren't getting those footsteps emphasized, they aren't as 'easy' to pick out, but they are still very much there and VERY well-positioned. It's just a matter of having your volume set well and being able to pick them out of the other noises you are hearing. In my case, it takes an outright explosive or particularly dominant rapid-fire gun to cause me to miss footsteps. I have not once had issues like what you are describing when it comes to picking out footsteps, in any game. It could be that you had a semi-faulty set. It could be that whatever DAC you were using them with was doing something that altered things. Mine without any sort of DAC have no real issues picking out typical footsteps (when I am listening for them and am not being drowned in other louder noises).
I’m using the mmx 300 with a G6 for my ps5 and I absolutely love it! Playing mostly Hunt Showdown, which is a competitive shooter with one of the most complex sound designs in binaural audio. So there is lots of stuff going on in that game when it comes to sound and the mmx 300 definitely brought my experience to another level.
Beyer TYGR 300R is what you need to check if you liked the MMX300 Gen 2. Unlike it, they have incredible imaging and soundstage while still sounding rich, and fun! Oh and the tame the MURDEROUS BEYER TREBLE thanks to those circular foam pads inside the earcup!!
You should do more headphone reviews. The sample sound test is something I've never seen anyone else do and it really helps me to get a good idea of what the headphone sounds like. Keep up the good work.
I've had dozens of "Gaming" headsets. For a 1 shop sells all, the MMX 300s are the top option. Beyond that, I've used them 8 hours per day for work, and at least 2 hours per day for gaming for almost 5 years and have never had a single issue. They are reliable. Positional audio took a while to get used to coming from traditional "Gaming" headsets. However, after so many years, I don't ever feel I'm at a disadvantage to anyone else due to audio. Best headset with a 3.5mm jack. Period.
I paired this headset with a GSX1000 DAC. The GSX1000 very accurately simulates 7.1 which is pretty nice for gaming. I would highly recommend the combo.
Paying for the DTS:X license solved all of my positional audio issues. Most good sets like the MMX 300 will not come with proprietary spatial/surround features and that's for the better, that allows for us to experiment with superior options that already exist like DTS or Dolby Atmos On my Penrose X, spatial sound was decent w/DolbyAtmos. But DTS really made a difference on the emphasized placement of lows/mids/highs + the position of voices/footsteps/activity happening close to my character. Putting all the bass where it should be, (explosions and guns, earth shattering effects) and mids/highs where they belong as well.
I just found this video looking to repair the cable on my MMX mk1 and I'm surprised at the conclusion I find positional audio so good I can almost play with my eyes closed, often hearing players my team mates can't and calling out positions including above and below
I have wh-1000xm2's, they arent gaming headphones by any means, but I am NEVER buying headphones that dont do good active noise cancellation again. I really hope Sony or Shure or Bose consider making their NC headphones a bit more general use/gaming and less business class traveler oriented. Because while the NC is amazing, all of these headphones have other quirks that make them less than friendly for general use or gaming.
Why do you want ANC? It leads to design compromises, i just don't believe that this is a very good technical direction. You can get a lot of mileage out of passive isolation, i would say Urbanears Zinken was a standout in this regard, but unfortunately they haven't been around for years, and problem is, their original pads explode with time, and will have all exploded by now, and the third party replacements lack both the sound, the comfort, and the isolation.
Nice job i have the same exact setup and honestly you hit it dead nuts i thought it was just me with detail separation nice review really enjoyed the whole video
Using this for 3 years in competetive shooters. For example in Hunt Showdown or Valorant and I can easily determine where the enemy is. Positional audio is great.
Competitive Advantage: I believe that this is one of the main reasons why a “gamer” would want to get a headphone that is specifically marketed as for “gamers”. Sound localisation (AKA “imaging”) is extremely important in a lot of competitive games, in particular when it comes to shooters wherein a player playing with sound would have a very distinct edge over another playing deaf. But really, the biggest advantage begins and ends there. Beyond that, the difference between individual headphones on playing performance is minimal at best. I do still think that there are better and worse headphones for gaming, mind you, but oftentimes the performance jump is inflated for marketing’s sake rather than any real indication of what you’d actually get in real life. The two big differences in headphones that aid in gaming are as follows: Tonal balance and Soundstage and imaging ability “Tonal balance” sounds like a scary complicated buzzword but it really is just the tuning of the headphone. Flat? Bass-boosted? Treble-emphasised? This kind of “sound mix” helps more than one might think. More often than not a competitive player would benefit the most out of a headphone that is tuned to neutrality or even a brighter tilt as crucial sound cues like footsteps and gunshots exist higher up in the frequency spectrum. Which is ironic, because many “gaming headphones” tend to be tuned rather bass-heavy, and so isn’t really competitive in this regard. You wouldn’t want footsteps and gunshots drowned out every time an explosion happens, or if a vehicle is idling nearby. Soundstage and imaging refers to how the sounds are placed in your hearing field. Soundstage moreso refers to how “wide” or “narrow” your simulated environment sounds, and imaging refers to how accurately sounds are positioned in said environment. In almost every case, an open-backed headphone (a headphone that does not block out any outside noise) will be the better than a closed-back headphone for staging and imaging ability. Open-backs typically sound wider with more pin-point imaging, of course assuming it is being used in a quiet environment. Which, again, is ironic as most “gaming headphones” are closed-back. So, if you’re someone who is really concerned with the competitive advantage a headphone would give you, then what you’re probably looking for is a neutral-to-bright, open-back headphone with a wide soundstage and good imaging. Keep that in mind as you read the rest of this article. Immersiveness: This aspect is much more subjective. Obviously for maximum immersiveness one would go for a headphone with the widest stage and best imaging, but the tuning is where things get iffy. Some may consider a flat/bright headphone to sound too boring or sterile when they’re trying to feel like being in a movie, so a bass-boosted headphone would be a much more “immersive” experience overall. For these people, the qualities that make a headphone “competitively advantageous” and “immersive” are at odds with one another, so they have to pick and choose. And if you’re the kind who would want the luxurious combo of wide stage, good imaging, and big bass… unfortunately, you’re not going to get big bass response out of an open-back headphone, and a closed-back headphone with big bass isn’t going to have the same staging and imaging as an open-backed one. A real catch-22. So maybe you’re looking for one or both of these characteristics in your gaming headphone, and/or maybe you’d also want… And even as all this is said and done, the most important point is this: ANY HEADPHONE CAN BE USED AS A GAMING HEADPHONE. There is nothing special about “gamer”-branded headphones that don’t already exist in regular headphones, apart from maybe a built-in microphone which can be purchased separately anyways. the best headphones for gaming at each major price point: Best under $50: KOSS KSC75, Best under $100: Philips SHP9500, Best under $200: AKG K612 Pro or Hifiman HE400se, Best under $300: beyerdynamic DT880 Pro, Best under $500: Audio Technica ATH-R70x or Hifiman Sundara, Reasonable Endgame: Sennheiser HD800/S - MSRP: $1,600.
exept that most "gaming" headphones/headsets are really bad at exactly that , the imaging is okay at best and most of them are dark sounding meaning picking out footsteps isnt that easy with them
I paid 65€ for my mmx300 2th, 210€ for my Hifiman Sundara and 450€ for my Focal Elear. The second hand market changes that game of what is better under X price 🤣 Btw your rewiev is Excellent. You really know what you are talking about. 👌🏼
@@RAW_Reality Hd 560s are f... boring vs mm300x. This beyer are more comfy, more bass, same mids, and have a really good mic. HD 560s is a flat sound with good mids... ☹️ And 0 comfy for me. Very dissapointed for me.
you should try out the hd 560s its probably the best audiophile headphone thats not too detailed and therefore very good for gaming while also being very good or a number of other things
A friend of mine has presets for different games and he has no problem whatsoever to pinpoint enemys in valorant/ BF/ cs go or Apex. It obviously is a tad time consuming to do that but the sensetivity of the mmx300 lets him hear more than i do on my razer Blackshark v2, which i expected for the price diff but also my DT1990 or DT990. I use a Fio 5k and he does use the headphone jack^^. So resume is they are more demanding to set presets but then they work great. I have a sample size of 1 so Results may vary.
Very interesting video, I really liked the sound comparisons that was really cool! Personally I'd like to vouch for the HyperX Cloud MIX's as they've been my go-to for like 2 years, and I gotta say they are the perfect all rounder headphones. They perform really well in game as well as with music. I've even mixed a few of my productions on them. They're a little bass heavy but still very clear and accurate. Build quality is great too! Couldn't recommend them enough.
The part you did on gaming is misleading. I've had this headset for about a year now with Sheepskin pads with Shciit Stack DAC/AMP. Leather Pads like you show in this video is the culprit in bad positioning audio as it amplifies bass. Might be your DAC too because DAC/AMP combo can absolutely worsen sound, ESPECIALLY for headphones in this tier. My positional audio is as good as all my friends and I can hear footsteps that my friends can't in tense firefights in Valorant, CS. *LEATHER = POWERFUL BASS AND IMMSERIVE* *SHEEPSKIN = TIGHT PUNCHY BASS + EXCELLENT GAMING* Hope this helps because these headphones have been my endgame for a while now and I know people recommend leather with these all the time, but that's not good for gamers
Like I mentioned, I didn’t include any talking points about the DAC/AMP. I’m speaking strictly by plugging into the PC. In terms of the positional audio, it happened with both the stock and Dekoni pads.
Totally agree with you, these are amazing, I’ve had them for a few months and thought they were great for gaming, music and media already but what really sold me on them for gaming was hearing someone planting the defuser in R6 Siege through two walls and a floor - I was blown away. I also stick with the velour pads (can’t really get dekoni choice pads in UK) and the sound signature seems great, well balanced
@@BijanJamshidi Ah Mobo DACS are the worst option with some being less bad depending on mobo so defenitly doesn’t help. If someone buys headphones like this it’s safe to assume they’re getting a DAC too. For the pads, I played one game of battlefield with the stock pads, though this is nice but not what I expected, then put on the dekoni pads and never took them off again so idk how the stock pads are for positional Audio
I use the MMX since 1 year andbuse it mainly with hunt Showdown, maybe the game with the best Ingamesound today. and I can say that the audio positioning ist nearly impossible with the mmx 300. The stage is wide and you can hear more details as with cheaper hp, but you simply cant distinguish where the sound is exactly coming from till its to late... The Immersion is unserpassed, but the Separation is horrible. i always have to turn 360, when steps or shooting sound is incoming, to tell if its infront or behind me. same with vertical positioning.... 🙄
You should try the Beyerdynamic dt990 pro. They are open back and have a really wide soundstage and good positional audio. With your amp the 80 ohm versions would be a good choice. The only downside is they don't include a mic, but they are sub 200$. Great video btw.
Wooow what a timing Bijan. I was legit about to order these todays. You reviews are awesome. I got dell S2721DGF monitor based on your review and it is amazing!!!
Thank you for this, as a Star Citizen player who just got my MMX300's in the mail, and haven't even plugged them in yet, I feel like this was probably a good choice, lol. Thank you for the review!
@@AW-po7jr Hey, they're the best headphones I've ever had. Not just for games, but for music. They have such a rich sound on the mids, and still have good low end. Fantastic headphones, very comfortable and they sound amazing. I can't believe it's already been 9 months since I got them.
@@AW-po7jr That's great, I've tried a lot of headphones, so am pretty confident you'll like these. I'd recommend one of those sound test videos after you plug them in, really get the full range of what they can do. Let me know what you think if you remember, I was thinking of picking up another set as a gift. I listen to music all day, and I think most people don't know what they're missing until they hear a song on a good set of headphones, and these are great since the OHMs are low enough that they don't need extra equipment. Hope you like them as much as I do.
@@W00KER most likely I will like them! I had a Beyerdynamic DT 990 for years and I loved it until it broke down. I haven’t bought the mmx 300 because of the price tag, went with cheaper gear but was never satisfied. I also ordered a Creative SoundblasterX G6 because I couldn’t make the „mic in“ work on my pc and I heared they work well together. Definitely plan to tell you how it goes! Are you playing Star Citizen, still?
Awesome review! I always watch the gaming monitor reviews. By chance Bijan reviewed these and I was interested in them for ages! Please recommend a top competitive headset for ultra sweaty footstep locating!
Hey man, from one reviewer to another -- this is a great headphone review! You always do such thorough reviews and you are one of my favorite reviewers to watch. Keep em coming.
these are closed all-around immersion headsets not especially flat or treble boosted ones witch would be better for positional awareness. If you like to use it for games and movies and music, they are perfect. Not to mention the extrem good mic.
I suggest you the Sennheiser PC38x, in my opinion it's the best headset for competitive games, so far I have tried: AKG K712 Pro AKG K7xx Sennheiser HD58x Sennheiser PC37x Sennheiser PC38x > The current one Hyperx Cloud ii DT 990 And I can say that the PC38x is the best one among all these in terms of the Imaging & sound stage, if you have the chance to try it I think it will blow your mind And thanks for your videos it really helps us
Try to upgrade to the sennheiser hd 560s. Quite a bit better than the pc38x. You have to buy a modmic and a 2.5mm male locking to 3.5mm female adapter which adds 50ish$
I have a MMX300 and LOVE it because it makes the environment far more richer and dynamic for immersion. A perfect headphone for single player games! But yeah, competitive gaming it's far from ideal. That said, most headphones are and companies promoting gaming headphones are full of it, especially when they push surround sound. To date, the best combination I have had for competitive gaming are Open Back headphones with a GSX 1000 amplifier. Fortunately I am not a competitive gamer so end up using my MMX300 most of the time because it gives me great sound quality for music and not just single player games, though I still use it for Apex Legends on occasion and don't do too badly; in fact I just became champion yesterday despite dropping in solo so I'm not averse to using my MMX300 for proper multiplayers.
And here I am using apple earpods and a desk mic. I've used headsets and headphones, nothing comes as close to earpods for comfort. The earpods do lack base, but make up for it with the bright sounds. It would be nice if you reviewed some earbuds, see if it can convert you too.
The imageing problem is kinda strange because the dt family(dt 770/880/990, tygr 300r, mmx300) are known for their good seperation and positioning at their price point. Could the dekoni pads cause it because pads can sound quite much?
I bought the same pads thinking they would make the MX300s sound better but I thought they sounded worse. Back to the stock pads which I actually like.
this only applies to first person games. It has no downside in other types of competitive games where it's main function is team communication. I'm just looking for a headset for a moba game.
I had the dt770s 80ohm, it actually hurt my ears. I realized it was high frequency peaks. After like 3 hours it felt like my ears were bleeding. Not a fan of the beyerdynamic tunings.
mmx300 gen2 is unlike the (old) 770s. You should try it. Or better is T5 gen 3 - amazing sound and more details compared to mmx300. But the price hurts...
When pairing these with a nice soundcard (which is a must tbh), then adjusting Equalizer / Crystalizer / Bassboost etc, they have absolut decent imaging imho. Also, have you tried Embody Immerse with it yet?
I'm personally really torn when it comes to selecting a new headset to purchase. My choices are: Open Backs: EPOS PC38X, H6Pro Open, Closed: MMX300, MMX150, or even thinking about maybe getting a wireless like the Virtuoso XT or the Arctis Pro Wireless. -- I really want something with good punchy bass that is good all around (Movie, Music, Games) - Being able to turn down the bass or equalize it to help better positional audio is also important -- The only DAC/AMP I own is the Astro TR one
I don't know if using Sound Blaster Sound card and its software make any difference, but I can clearly tell how far, distance and angle of foot steps and shooting on any fps game with this headset.. I've changed 8 headsets and settled on this one.. So I agree with all but the part that this is not for gaming..
Just got these, They are amazing for sure, I use them for single player games and for listening to music. I use the hyper x orbit s for competitive shooters though, since it is better for those types of games. I paired it with my dac and it made them even better, Definitely a great headset.
Was the Orbit sound measured using the "Flat" signature or the "Default"? edit: also, to piggyback on what some people were saying: the 560s is the best "gaming" headphone I've ever tried. The bass response is super controlled, so you can pick out lots of microdetail during chaos
Thanks for review. Have you resolved sound positioning issue? Do you keep playing Valorant in MMX 300 or you found something better? Can you please review Steelseries ARCTIS NOVA PRO WIRELESS?
These are amazing for competitive gaming especially if you pair them with the gsx1000 by sennheiser and set it to the game eq that takes all bass out then set in game eq to bass boost or super bass boost. It's pure perfection, you can sound whore the fuck out of competitive games
Your new ear pads might cause you to have more base than desired, I always try to get away from those type of ear pads unless using an open back headphone that actually need more base. Other than that excellent review!
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Had this a long time ago, today i use a DT1770 Pro for gaming xD
The only thing better for music and fps games than that combo would be about 300 mmx with dekoni pads and a better dac. (I think these headphones "need" a slightly better dac than that fiio k3). I tried more than 100 headphones (focal, fostex, audeze, hyperx, philips, sennheiser, hifiman, akg, etc) many dacs and amps, and i play csgo on premade daily at very high level (and other fps games). They're great for gaming, and great for music (it's not a flat, boring sound). What makes you detect the enemies and the placement of the instruments, is not the mids or the soundstage, it is the image, which in these headphones as in the DT 1990 is magnificent. I had to end up selling almost everything so that my wife wouldn't throw me out of our home... 😂🤣
I have Sennheiser gsp 600 and i think that headset works great on allround things :) sound quality is awesome for music, gaming and movies :) Ofcourse this need equalizer and maybee soundcard to make options for everyone if you wanted to highlight your sounds to compete in every sitsuation. Thats pity that you didn’t compare that headset for these others because many competive gamers use also GSP 600
I'm currently running the beyer dt880 pro's and they have far better imaging (being able to tell exactly where sounds are coming from) only downside is no built in microphone
Hello Bijan Jamshidi, thank you for the amazing video, my question is if the beyerdynamic mmx 300 gen 2 aren't good for competetive gaming, then what is your recommendation and what are you using currently?
Very informative video😊 I thought of buying this headset and know I am sure, I will. But one question I still have. Should I buy the 32 or the 600 ohm one? My soundcard should be good enough for 600 ohm, but I am not sure, if 600 is much better. Thank you :)
Would these work with a series x console? I have Astro a10s n I strongly need an upgrade (the right sides audio is starting to fade), so I have been looking into getting these. Especially since I play Hunt showdown, which is a game full of audio cues. I just need to know if these would be plug n play style or if I would require an amp? I don’t know anything abt audio n I just wanna have a good gaming experience n a good mic, these seem to have both.
Not sure if you got a new headset yet or not but yes, these are fully compatible with the Xbox series X flawless plug and play. It helps to have a adapter or mix amp but not required, the sound is good, the mic is good, no complaints from my friends at all.
Nice review! If you are considering doing more headset reviews I would like to know what you think of the Astro A40 TR and Audeze Penrose. I just got the Orbit S, if you anyone has been thinking about buying them Hyperx have been running weekend sales on their website for a few weeks now. I got the Cloud Orbit S for $229, they should still be that price for a few more hours on their site. Not sure when the weekend sales will end.
Astro is trash. Your paying for the name. Penrose x shat on the a50s gen 4 with base station in terms of hearing footsteps and versatility. The penrose have Bluetooth which can be used with your phone while gaming with the wireless dongle on pc/ps/Xbox or aux. but the sennheiser hd 560s are the best for hearing footsteps and sound cues with the utmost accuracy
- changes earpads - complains about headphone not sounding like the manufacturer described Dekoni provides meassurments on how their earpads influence the frequency response on their website if anyone is interested.
For FPS games where positional accuracy matters I use true surround sound headsets with multiple drivers per earcup such as the Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 or the Asus ROG Theta 7.1
@@norfolknwhey4787 The Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 is my go to headphones for gaming. It truly gives you true directional surround awareness thanks the multiple drivers angled at 12 degrees from each others. They sort of envelop the shape of your ears. So the wave form coming from the multiple speakers have different axis. The other headsets are subpar in that regard (especially the Razer Tiamat 7.1) because all speakers have the same planar axis presentation. When I switch back to my stereo headphones (HD 700/Sundara) supposedly with high sound stage I still lose spatial information compared to the Roccat Kave. Their bigger sound stage doesn't make make up for the lack of directional audio information.
@@Patrick73787 those were literally one of the headsets that were blind tested. It’s a placebo effect. Spatial sound cannot be created by speakers less than an inch from your ears. It’s a scam. I have zero issues with sound direction and distance while using stereo beyers.
@@norfolknwhey4787 As I said I can only speak for the Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 headset. I know Linus tested the Razer Tiamat 7.1 but I didn't try that one and I didn't need to watch his video to know that particular headset wasn't great at reproducing directional audio. I watched all 3rd party reviews of all true surround sound headsets that exist on the market so far. The Roccat Kave is one of the best for directional audio.
Hey Bijan! I've been watching Your content for a while now - could You maybe do a wireless headsets comparison? What reviews lack is durability tests / opinions about products from what I can observe - thanks! Also wireless mech keyboards round up would be also great :D
Hey Bijan, I was wondering if you can review the Beyerdynamic MMX100 that just came out. It has a really good microphone and was ranked no.1 at randomfrankp's top headset list, but so far not many reviews are out there, can you please review it from a competitive standpoint? Thanks!
Sorry for the long wait between videos. This took much longer to make than I expected it to.
I just watched your video about the Beyerdynamic MMX300 Gen. 2
I already left the like :), I would like to know which headset do you think is the best to play fortnite? hear the footsteps well if the enemy is up or down? I have Cloud II but honestly I didn't like it very much, I used the superlux hd681 before and I didn't feel much difference from one to the other.
Please review the TYGR 300 R!
Dt990 250 ohm are better at everything then these headphones I looked at the frequency response they have more bass better treble more soundstage plus they’re good for gaming, i power them with the audient Id 4 for $200 powers them perfect and don’t get the dt1990 they’re straight up worse and people like to get them, the dt990 are at least the best headphones for me until something new comes out and is able to beat it but for now they’re my forever headphones.
Keep in mind you have to burn them in them in for 7 days to a month depending on how much you use them, reviewers get them and don’t know that and think they’re harsh but after this period it becomes one of the smoothest headphones on the market.
The separation issue is because of the source. I don't have this problem with the Mayflower ARC Mk2. I hear things before anyone else does in PUBG, and are able to find other players location with ease.
Been competitively gaming with these for the last few months. Strongly disagree with your opinion of them not being great at positional audio. At this point I've tried a couple of dozen gaming headsets and more "audiophile" headphones, but nothing beats the MMX 300 + FiiO K3 combo for me.
Bro it has a soundstage for weeks!!! I play PUBG and Apex and know exactly where the enemy is coming from
Agreed. I play PUBG and EFT and the mmx300’s are almost like cheating. The positional audio is incredible.
aahh at last, somebody talk about pubg. i was gonna buy this headset but scared when he said it was not got at Soundstage. i just play pubg and i think im gonna go with this. thanks guys. 😊
💯 I use them with creative g6 and I know where everyone is at.
Can the astros mix amp push them?
I love my MMX 300s.. since I switched to Stereo and turned off virtual Surround Sound I have zero problems to exactly tell where the enemies are.
I agree the virtual surround seems to make them sound real weird at least on my sound blaster x4. However when listening to music if I use the direct mode on my dac it sounds incredible
All Kind of software 🤣 3D, 4k are 💩
This headphones are a jewel.
Thank you ZRewievs for the recomendation. 🤣
Complete and utter horse shit dolby atmos and soundblaster 7.1 are amazing
I've never seen a headset review that gave me such a clear picture of what I'm getting with each of the headsets.
Keep it up! 👍
Have my MMX 300 Gen. 1 since 2014, i had one cable break 2 years ago but i sent it to Beyerdynamic and repaired it for a few €, besides that it´s just impressive.
The reason you might be having issues with the positional audio might just be the equalization towards bass. The best headsets for competitive gaming are neutral or skew towards mids and treble, as those frequencies are typically the ones with the footstep sounds. Its been well know in the audio industry for decades that more bass=sounds better to consumers, so why would Logitech make such a flat and neutral headset that objectively sounds worse? Because its made for competitive gaming. This is a problem with headphones in general, what is best for competitive gaming isnt best for immersive single player games or movies.
Or music... Besides Jazz maybe
When qualified engineers from Beyerdynamic design this wonderful gaming headset they design special pads too but this guy changed oryginal pads for some aftermarket leather pads and says„not for gaming because I have problem with positioning…” IQ 200😅
How’s the bass on these I listen to rap in between games and need good bass
@@JuztBillzvery good..
@@riddick5019They didn't designed them for that purpose, more for dampening the outside while not dampening the inside. Sidenote, the pads do as little as nothing to positioning to earphones. A Pad inside the actual headphone or on the speakers would, as it changes volume and sound impedance by a much higher margin and is actually done in some headphones.
Hey ! I have the mmx300 and was concerned about positions too on Cod MW, no problems for csgo tho. Bought a mixamp tr4 to couple my mmx300 with, now it’s insane to me how I can spot some little details easily (better than my Hyperx cloud II, clearly).
I paired mine with a Schiit Hel amp and they are absolutely amazing sounding. I can tell where enemies are before my friends can. Love it. I’m on the stock pads. Tried other pads and it changed the sound not for the better.
I had many many many headset this headset are best for gaming,music,movie you don’t need any another headset that’s why I have two pair 🤫
How is it for WZ?
@@StrangeDoctor_ Pretty good, I'd get however a DT770 Pro (same but without mic), 32ohm if you don't use an amp/dac, 80ohm if you do, and get a separate mic for a better price / quality. I don't know what's the best options though but it's great value for its price
@@josephmurphy1994 thanks
How are you still at 39K! it bewilders me, you are by far my favorite reviewer :)
I have the mmx 300 w both the choice letter and stock pads. The choice leathers are soo much more comfortable and the sound is more “dynamic”. They definitely make the headset really “fun”. That being said the leather pads completely kill the sound imaging and changes the sound. They make your ear further away from the driver, boost the bass and change the treble. This headset was tuned this way with the original pads to be advantageous for gaming. I get superb sound imaging with the stock pads on but the treble being boosted can be a little fatiguing.
Put thicker perforated leather/ velour hybrid earpads on my dt990 pro and it made it sound even better. The pads also fit my mmx300 and it also made those sound even better.
I have these and I strongly disagree with the directional separation thing you said..I came from the logi pro's, then to these.. With the MMX's I can pin point enemy movement from greater distances than I found with the logi's. I couldn't recommend these enough. I would only consider upgrading once I could afford the DT1990's with a rhode mic or something..
When qualified engineers from Beyerdynamic design this wonderful gaming headset they design special pads too but you changed oryginal pads for some aftermarket pads and you saing „not for gaming because you have problem with positioning…” IQ 200😅
😂😂💪👍
Okay, I have a pair of these myself. Currently what I use pretty much all the time. I have to assume that your complaints about positional audio come from you being more 'used to' more 'neutral' headsets that don't have as deep a soundstage to pick through. A lot of 'gaming' headsets are designed to emphasize the footstep noises in their range. The Beyerdynamics focus on overall sound. Because you aren't getting those footsteps emphasized, they aren't as 'easy' to pick out, but they are still very much there and VERY well-positioned. It's just a matter of having your volume set well and being able to pick them out of the other noises you are hearing. In my case, it takes an outright explosive or particularly dominant rapid-fire gun to cause me to miss footsteps.
I have not once had issues like what you are describing when it comes to picking out footsteps, in any game. It could be that you had a semi-faulty set. It could be that whatever DAC you were using them with was doing something that altered things. Mine without any sort of DAC have no real issues picking out typical footsteps (when I am listening for them and am not being drowned in other louder noises).
Same here, I also own MMX 300 Gen2 heaset.
I’m using the mmx 300 with a G6 for my ps5 and I absolutely love it! Playing mostly Hunt Showdown, which is a competitive shooter with one of the most complex sound designs in binaural audio. So there is lots of stuff going on in that game when it comes to sound and the mmx 300 definitely brought my experience to another level.
What is a g6?
It's quite a shock to hear this is your first headset review considering how thorough and well thought out this video was produced. Well done!
Beyer TYGR 300R is what you need to check if you liked the MMX300 Gen 2. Unlike it, they have incredible imaging and soundstage while still sounding rich, and fun! Oh and the tame the MURDEROUS BEYER TREBLE thanks to those circular foam pads inside the earcup!!
You should do more headphone reviews. The sample sound test is something I've never seen anyone else do and it really helps me to get a good idea of what the headphone sounds like. Keep up the good work.
I've had dozens of "Gaming" headsets. For a 1 shop sells all, the MMX 300s are the top option. Beyond that, I've used them 8 hours per day for work, and at least 2 hours per day for gaming for almost 5 years and have never had a single issue. They are reliable.
Positional audio took a while to get used to coming from traditional "Gaming" headsets. However, after so many years, I don't ever feel I'm at a disadvantage to anyone else due to audio.
Best headset with a 3.5mm jack. Period.
I paired this headset with a GSX1000 DAC. The GSX1000 very accurately simulates 7.1 which is pretty nice for gaming. I would highly recommend the combo.
is it true that GSX 1000's USB has to be replugged in everytime you power off ur laptop/pc?
The perfect gaming headset is MMX300 paired with Soundblaster G6 or Sennheiser GSX1000( or any soundcard with good virtual 7.1 surround sound)
Paying for the DTS:X license solved all of my positional audio issues. Most good sets like the MMX 300 will not come with proprietary spatial/surround features and that's for the better, that allows for us to experiment with superior options that already exist like DTS or Dolby Atmos
On my Penrose X, spatial sound was decent w/DolbyAtmos. But DTS really made a difference on the emphasized placement of lows/mids/highs + the position of voices/footsteps/activity happening close to my character. Putting all the bass where it should be, (explosions and guns, earth shattering effects) and mids/highs where they belong as well.
I just found this video looking to repair the cable on my MMX mk1 and I'm surprised at the conclusion
I find positional audio so good I can almost play with my eyes closed, often hearing players my team mates can't and calling out positions including above and below
This is the best headset review by far, awsome job keep going!
Nice headset review bro keep em coming!
Do the pc38x next!
I have wh-1000xm2's, they arent gaming headphones by any means, but I am NEVER buying headphones that dont do good active noise cancellation again. I really hope Sony or Shure or Bose consider making their NC headphones a bit more general use/gaming and less business class traveler oriented. Because while the NC is amazing, all of these headphones have other quirks that make them less than friendly for general use or gaming.
Why do you want ANC? It leads to design compromises, i just don't believe that this is a very good technical direction. You can get a lot of mileage out of passive isolation, i would say Urbanears Zinken was a standout in this regard, but unfortunately they haven't been around for years, and problem is, their original pads explode with time, and will have all exploded by now, and the third party replacements lack both the sound, the comfort, and the isolation.
Wow the mic on these are so good I didn’t even realized you switched mics I had to replay it
Nice job i have the same exact setup and honestly you hit it dead nuts i thought it was just me with detail separation nice review really enjoyed the whole video
Using this for 3 years in competetive shooters. For example in Hunt Showdown or Valorant and I can easily determine where the enemy is. Positional audio is great.
what audio card do you use ?
Haven’t watched the video yet but I was waiting on this from you. Wanting to pair these with my gsx1000
Competitive Advantage: I believe that this is one of the main reasons why a “gamer” would want to get a headphone that is specifically marketed as for “gamers”. Sound localisation (AKA “imaging”) is extremely important in a lot of competitive games, in particular when it comes to shooters wherein a player playing with sound would have a very distinct edge over another playing deaf. But really, the biggest advantage begins and ends there. Beyond that, the difference between individual headphones on playing performance is minimal at best. I do still think that there are better and worse headphones for gaming, mind you, but oftentimes the performance jump is inflated for marketing’s sake rather than any real indication of what you’d actually get in real life. The two big differences in headphones that aid in gaming are as follows: Tonal balance and Soundstage and imaging ability “Tonal balance” sounds like a scary complicated buzzword but it really is just the tuning of the headphone. Flat? Bass-boosted? Treble-emphasised? This kind of “sound mix” helps more than one might think. More often than not a competitive player would benefit the most out of a headphone that is tuned to neutrality or even a brighter tilt as crucial sound cues like footsteps and gunshots exist higher up in the frequency spectrum. Which is ironic, because many “gaming headphones” tend to be tuned rather bass-heavy, and so isn’t really competitive in this regard. You wouldn’t want footsteps and gunshots drowned out every time an explosion happens, or if a vehicle is idling nearby. Soundstage and imaging refers to how the sounds are placed in your hearing field. Soundstage moreso refers to how “wide” or “narrow” your simulated environment sounds, and imaging refers to how accurately sounds are positioned in said environment. In almost every case, an open-backed headphone (a headphone that does not block out any outside noise) will be the better than a closed-back headphone for staging and imaging ability. Open-backs typically sound wider with more pin-point imaging, of course assuming it is being used in a quiet environment. Which, again, is ironic as most “gaming headphones” are closed-back. So, if you’re someone who is really concerned with the competitive advantage a headphone would give you, then what you’re probably looking for is a neutral-to-bright, open-back headphone with a wide soundstage and good imaging. Keep that in mind as you read the rest of this article. Immersiveness: This aspect is much more subjective. Obviously for maximum immersiveness one would go for a headphone with the widest stage and best imaging, but the tuning is where things get iffy. Some may consider a flat/bright headphone to sound too boring or sterile when they’re trying to feel like being in a movie, so a bass-boosted headphone would be a much more “immersive” experience overall. For these people, the qualities that make a headphone “competitively advantageous” and “immersive” are at odds with one another, so they have to pick and choose. And if you’re the kind who would want the luxurious combo of wide stage, good imaging, and big bass… unfortunately, you’re not going to get big bass response out of an open-back headphone, and a closed-back headphone with big bass isn’t going to have the same staging and imaging as an open-backed one. A real catch-22. So maybe you’re looking for one or both of these characteristics in your gaming headphone, and/or maybe you’d also want… And even as all this is said and done, the most important point is this: ANY HEADPHONE CAN BE USED AS A GAMING HEADPHONE. There is nothing special about “gamer”-branded headphones that don’t already exist in regular headphones, apart from maybe a built-in microphone which can be purchased separately anyways. the best headphones for gaming at each major price point: Best under $50: KOSS KSC75, Best under $100: Philips SHP9500,
Best under $200: AKG K612 Pro or Hifiman HE400se, Best under $300: beyerdynamic DT880 Pro, Best under $500: Audio Technica ATH-R70x or Hifiman Sundara, Reasonable Endgame: Sennheiser HD800/S - MSRP: $1,600.
exept that most "gaming" headphones/headsets are really bad at exactly that , the imaging is okay at best and most of them are dark sounding meaning picking out footsteps isnt that easy with them
And here I am, torn between the Beyer MMX 300 or Senheiser HD 560s.
I paid 65€ for my mmx300 2th, 210€ for my Hifiman Sundara and 450€ for my Focal Elear.
The second hand market changes that game of what is better under X price 🤣
Btw your rewiev is Excellent. You really know what you are talking about. 👌🏼
@@RAW_Reality Hd 560s are f... boring vs mm300x. This beyer are more comfy, more bass, same mids, and have a really good mic.
HD 560s is a flat sound with good mids... ☹️ And 0 comfy for me. Very dissapointed for me.
you should try out the hd 560s its probably the best audiophile headphone thats not too detailed and therefore very good for gaming while also being very good or a number of other things
So you switched the pads, then complained about the sound? Next time, test the items without tempering with them ...
A friend of mine has presets for different games and he has no problem whatsoever to pinpoint enemys in valorant/ BF/ cs go or Apex.
It obviously is a tad time consuming to do that but the sensetivity of the mmx300 lets him hear more than i do on my razer Blackshark v2, which i expected for the price diff but also my DT1990 or DT990.
I use a Fio 5k and he does use the headphone jack^^.
So resume is they are more demanding to set presets but then they work great.
I have a sample size of 1 so Results may vary.
No problems with my DT880 either. Certainly better than all the gamer 'crap' I used to have from Logitech etc.
Very interesting video, I really liked the sound comparisons that was really cool! Personally I'd like to vouch for the HyperX Cloud MIX's as they've been my go-to for like 2 years, and I gotta say they are the perfect all rounder headphones. They perform really well in game as well as with music. I've even mixed a few of my productions on them. They're a little bass heavy but still very clear and accurate. Build quality is great too! Couldn't recommend them enough.
The part you did on gaming is misleading. I've had this headset for about a year now with Sheepskin pads with Shciit Stack DAC/AMP. Leather Pads like you show in this video is the culprit in bad positioning audio as it amplifies bass. Might be your DAC too because DAC/AMP combo can absolutely worsen sound, ESPECIALLY for headphones in this tier. My positional audio is as good as all my friends and I can hear footsteps that my friends can't in tense firefights in Valorant, CS.
*LEATHER = POWERFUL BASS AND IMMSERIVE*
*SHEEPSKIN = TIGHT PUNCHY BASS + EXCELLENT GAMING*
Hope this helps because these headphones have been my endgame for a while now and I know people recommend leather with these all the time, but that's not good for gamers
Like I mentioned, I didn’t include any talking points about the DAC/AMP. I’m speaking strictly by plugging into the PC. In terms of the positional audio, it happened with both the stock and Dekoni pads.
Totally agree with you, these are amazing, I’ve had them for a few months and thought they were great for gaming, music and media already but what really sold me on them for gaming was hearing someone planting the defuser in R6 Siege through two walls and a floor - I was blown away. I also stick with the velour pads (can’t really get dekoni choice pads in UK) and the sound signature seems great, well balanced
@@BijanJamshidi Ah Mobo DACS are the worst option with some being less bad depending on mobo so defenitly doesn’t help. If someone buys headphones like this it’s safe to assume they’re getting a DAC too. For the pads, I played one game of battlefield with the stock pads, though this is nice but not what I expected, then put on the dekoni pads and never took them off again so idk how the stock pads are for positional
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I use the MMX since 1 year andbuse it mainly with hunt Showdown, maybe the game with the best Ingamesound today. and I can say that the audio positioning ist nearly impossible with the mmx 300. The stage is wide and you can hear more details as with cheaper hp, but you simply cant distinguish where the sound is exactly coming from till its to late... The Immersion is unserpassed, but the Separation is horrible. i always have to turn 360, when steps or shooting sound is incoming, to tell if its infront or behind me. same with vertical positioning.... 🙄
@@pistolero2k9 what pads and dac?
Awesome quality vid and great looks as always
I had a completely opposite experience. What did you pair these with?
What do you mean?
@@BijanJamshidi I'm guessing which soundcard you used. Higher end cans tend to expose the shortcomings of integrated sound chips on mobos.
@@3TimesFaster I'm using the X570-i Strix.
@@BijanJamshidi yea that is what I was asking, whether you were using onboard audio. Thanks for the response.
Btw Bijan, Huge fan. Have loved the monitor reviews for quite some time!
love your videos. kind regards from Switzerland
You should try the Beyerdynamic dt990 pro. They are open back and have a really wide soundstage and good positional audio. With your amp the 80 ohm versions would be a good choice. The only downside is they don't include a mic, but they are sub 200$. Great video btw.
Nice vid thanks for explications and comparaisons
Wooow what a timing Bijan. I was legit about to order these todays. You reviews are awesome. I got dell
S2721DGF monitor based on your review and it is amazing!!!
Thank you for this, as a Star Citizen player who just got my MMX300's in the mail, and haven't even plugged them in yet, I feel like this was probably a good choice, lol. Thank you for the review!
How do the mmx 300 perform with Star Citizen? I am thinking to get the mmx 300 for Star Citizen, too
@@AW-po7jr Hey, they're the best headphones I've ever had. Not just for games, but for music. They have such a rich sound on the mids, and still have good low end. Fantastic headphones, very comfortable and they sound amazing. I can't believe it's already been 9 months since I got them.
@@W00KERthank you very much! Already ordered the headphones, can’t wait to plug them in!
@@AW-po7jr That's great, I've tried a lot of headphones, so am pretty confident you'll like these. I'd recommend one of those sound test videos after you plug them in, really get the full range of what they can do. Let me know what you think if you remember, I was thinking of picking up another set as a gift. I listen to music all day, and I think most people don't know what they're missing until they hear a song on a good set of headphones, and these are great since the OHMs are low enough that they don't need extra equipment. Hope you like them as much as I do.
@@W00KER most likely I will like them! I had a Beyerdynamic DT 990 for years and I loved it until it broke down. I haven’t bought the mmx 300 because of the price tag, went with cheaper gear but was never satisfied. I also ordered a Creative SoundblasterX G6 because I couldn’t make the „mic in“ work on my pc and I heared they work well together. Definitely plan to tell you how it goes!
Are you playing Star Citizen, still?
Great Video as always, greetings from Germany! Have a nice day Bijan 😊
Based on your review I liked, subscribed and used the affiliate link to complete the purchase. Thank you.
Awesome review! I always watch the gaming monitor reviews. By chance Bijan reviewed these and I was interested in them for ages! Please recommend a top competitive headset for ultra sweaty footstep locating!
HyperX Cloud II's. I might get another pair just for FPS. IDK yet.
@@BijanJamshidi Awesome, thanks for the reply! Did you have the wireless version? I'm guessing they have similar performance.
Sennheiser dt 560s. Mayflower arc 2. Stereo mode. None of that bs surround sound gimmick shinnanigans
You made my cancel my order, cause directional sound is what I need and I trust you on this
Hey man, from one reviewer to another -- this is a great headphone review! You always do such thorough reviews and you are one of my favorite reviewers to watch. Keep em coming.
these are closed all-around immersion headsets not especially flat or treble boosted ones witch would be better for positional awareness. If you like to use it for games and movies and music, they are perfect. Not to mention the extrem good mic.
I suggest you the Sennheiser PC38x, in my opinion it's the best headset for competitive games, so far I have tried:
AKG K712 Pro
AKG K7xx
Sennheiser HD58x
Sennheiser PC37x
Sennheiser PC38x > The current one
Hyperx Cloud ii
DT 990
And I can say that the PC38x is the best one among all these in terms of the Imaging & sound stage, if you have the chance to try it I think it will blow your mind
And thanks for your videos it really helps us
Try to upgrade to the sennheiser hd 560s. Quite a bit better than the pc38x. You have to buy a modmic and a 2.5mm male locking to 3.5mm female adapter which adds 50ish$
awesome! will buy this together with some dekoni earpads instead of G Pro X’s
Mmx totally dominates market since 15 years
I have a MMX300 and LOVE it because it makes the environment far more richer and dynamic for immersion. A perfect headphone for single player games! But yeah, competitive gaming it's far from ideal. That said, most headphones are and companies promoting gaming headphones are full of it, especially when they push surround sound. To date, the best combination I have had for competitive gaming are Open Back headphones with a GSX 1000 amplifier. Fortunately I am not a competitive gamer so end up using my MMX300 most of the time because it gives me great sound quality for music and not just single player games, though I still use it for Apex Legends on occasion and don't do too badly; in fact I just became champion yesterday despite dropping in solo so I'm not averse to using my MMX300 for proper multiplayers.
And here I am using apple earpods and a desk mic.
I've used headsets and headphones, nothing comes as close to earpods for comfort.
The earpods do lack base, but make up for it with the bright sounds.
It would be nice if you reviewed some earbuds, see if it can convert you too.
nice video and thanks for the info
The imageing problem is kinda strange because the dt family(dt 770/880/990, tygr 300r, mmx300) are known for their good seperation and positioning at their price point. Could the dekoni pads cause it because pads can sound quite much?
I bought the same pads thinking they would make the MX300s sound better but I thought they sounded worse. Back to the stock pads which I actually like.
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this only applies to first person games. It has no downside in other types of competitive games where it's main function is team communication. I'm just looking for a headset for a moba game.
Yay a headset video
I always switch to velour/fabric pads. My head starts boiling within short time, and I get sweaty around my ears when using "leather" pads.
Nice video!
Watching this on my MMX300's
..gen 2 ;) (me)
I had the dt770s 80ohm, it actually hurt my ears. I realized it was high frequency peaks. After like 3 hours it felt like my ears were bleeding. Not a fan of the beyerdynamic tunings.
mmx300 gen2 is unlike the (old) 770s. You should try it. Or better is T5 gen 3 - amazing sound and more details compared to mmx300. But the price hurts...
You should review the Philips SHP 9500 with vmoda boom mic. That's what I have. Thery're open back so there very god too for competitive gaming.
When pairing these with a nice soundcard (which is a must tbh), then adjusting Equalizer / Crystalizer / Bassboost etc, they have absolut decent imaging imho. Also, have you tried Embody Immerse with it yet?
I'm personally really torn when it comes to selecting a new headset to purchase. My choices are: Open Backs: EPOS PC38X, H6Pro Open, Closed: MMX300, MMX150, or even thinking about maybe getting a wireless like the Virtuoso XT or the Arctis Pro Wireless. -- I really want something with good punchy bass that is good all around (Movie, Music, Games) - Being able to turn down the bass or equalize it to help better positional audio is also important -- The only DAC/AMP I own is the Astro TR one
yoooo could you tell me which headset you have gotten rn? Also deciding between those headsets you mentioned
@@thaiboxking31 I ended up getting a Sennheiser HD560S and Modmic wireless. Great option if you're looking for open back
Good review bro.
FYI: the default pads are rather itchy
new vid lets gooo!!!!!
I don't know if using Sound Blaster Sound card and its software make any difference, but I can clearly tell how far, distance and angle of foot steps and shooting on any fps game with this headset.. I've changed 8 headsets and settled on this one.. So I agree with all but the part that this is not for gaming..
Still rocking my 6yo Cloud2 (with thicker suede earpads)
the microphone you are wearing on your shirt sounds considerably better! I'd probably go with that instead.
i play valorant and thinking to get a new headset ...should i get Logitech G pro x with surround sound or without ...or any other headset suggestions
Surround sound is virtual not physical. Means even if you buy a stereo headset you're able to use them as Surround ones.
Just got these, They are amazing for sure, I use them for single player games and for listening to music. I use the hyper x orbit s for competitive shooters though, since it is better for those types of games. I paired it with my dac and it made them even better, Definitely a great headset.
What DAC?
@@AndrewPineiderMusic I use the Sound BlasterX G6. It's around $136 on Amazon right now.
nice review :D
I've never accidentally tugged on my Beyer Dynamic 770's earcup cables, treat your equipment with respect and it will last you a while
2:00 -2:10 I have the Logitech Pro X and I relate to this so much (was to slow in returning it so now I'm stuck...)
Was the Orbit sound measured using the "Flat" signature or the "Default"?
edit: also, to piggyback on what some people were saying: the 560s is the best "gaming" headphone I've ever tried. The bass response is super controlled, so you can pick out lots of microdetail during chaos
Agreed. It seems people don’t think they’re a game worthy headset if they don’t come with a mic. They have worked the best for me by a good amount
Thanks for review.
Have you resolved sound positioning issue? Do you keep playing Valorant in MMX 300 or you found something better?
Can you please review Steelseries ARCTIS NOVA PRO WIRELESS?
These are amazing for competitive gaming especially if you pair them with the gsx1000 by sennheiser and set it to the game eq that takes all bass out then set in game eq to bass boost or super bass boost. It's pure perfection, you can sound whore the fuck out of competitive games
For competetive gaming on bass heavy headphones some people use treble emphasizing eq to hear the footsteps better.
Ooo ooo! Do a review of the TYGR 300 R !
Woohoo! He saw my comment! Hope he reviews it
Your new ear pads might cause you to have more base than desired, I always try to get away from those type of ear pads unless using an open back headphone that actually need more base. Other than that excellent review!
Had this a long time ago, today i use a DT1770 Pro for gaming xD
well done bro .........thank you
The only thing better for music and fps games than that combo would be about 300 mmx with dekoni pads and a better dac. (I think these headphones "need" a slightly better dac than that fiio k3).
I tried more than 100 headphones (focal, fostex, audeze, hyperx, philips, sennheiser, hifiman, akg, etc) many dacs and amps, and i play csgo on premade daily at very high level (and other fps games). They're great for gaming, and great for music (it's not a flat, boring sound).
What makes you detect the enemies and the placement of the instruments, is not the mids or the soundstage, it is the image, which in these headphones as in the DT 1990 is magnificent.
I had to end up selling almost everything so that my wife wouldn't throw me out of our home... 😂🤣
I have Sennheiser gsp 600 and i think that headset works great on allround things :) sound quality is awesome for music, gaming and movies :) Ofcourse this need equalizer and maybee soundcard to make options for everyone if you wanted to highlight your sounds to compete in every sitsuation. Thats pity that you didn’t compare that headset for these others because many competive gamers use also GSP 600
I'm currently running the beyer dt880 pro's and they have far better imaging (being able to tell exactly where sounds are coming from) only downside is no built in microphone
did you try using any Positonal audio software like Sonic (free), DTS , or THX ?
Hello Bijan Jamshidi, thank you for the amazing video, my question is if the beyerdynamic mmx 300 gen 2 aren't good for competetive gaming, then what is your recommendation
and what are you using currently?
Very informative video😊 I thought of buying this headset and know I am sure, I will. But one question I still have. Should I buy the 32 or the 600 ohm one? My soundcard should be good enough for 600 ohm, but I am not sure, if 600 is much better. Thank you :)
Would these work with a series x console? I have Astro a10s n I strongly need an upgrade (the right sides audio is starting to fade), so I have been looking into getting these. Especially since I play Hunt showdown, which is a game full of audio cues. I just need to know if these would be plug n play style or if I would require an amp? I don’t know anything abt audio n I just wanna have a good gaming experience n a good mic, these seem to have both.
Not sure if you got a new headset yet or not but yes, these are fully compatible with the Xbox series X flawless plug and play. It helps to have a adapter or mix amp but not required, the sound is good, the mic is good, no complaints from my friends at all.
@@AntMan_478 I ended up coppin it. I agree n I love em, thanks for the reply tho, totally forgot I even wrote this comment lol 😂
Nice review! If you are considering doing more headset reviews I would like to know what you think of the Astro A40 TR and Audeze Penrose.
I just got the Orbit S, if you anyone has been thinking about buying them Hyperx have been running weekend sales on their website for a few weeks now. I got the Cloud Orbit S for $229, they should still be that price for a few more hours on their site. Not sure when the weekend sales will end.
Astro is trash. Your paying for the name. Penrose x shat on the a50s gen 4 with base station in terms of hearing footsteps and versatility. The penrose have Bluetooth which can be used with your phone while gaming with the wireless dongle on pc/ps/Xbox or aux. but the sennheiser hd 560s are the best for hearing footsteps and sound cues with the utmost accuracy
- changes earpads
- complains about headphone not sounding like the manufacturer described
Dekoni provides meassurments on how their earpads influence the frequency response on their website if anyone is interested.
For FPS games where positional accuracy matters I use true surround sound headsets with multiple drivers per earcup such as the Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 or the Asus ROG Theta 7.1
Proven to be snake oil. Linus did a full video testing these. Waste of money.
@@norfolknwhey4787 The Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 is my go to headphones for gaming. It truly gives you true directional surround awareness thanks the multiple drivers angled at 12 degrees from each others. They sort of envelop the shape of your ears. So the wave form coming from the multiple speakers have different axis. The other headsets are subpar in that regard (especially the Razer Tiamat 7.1) because all speakers have the same planar axis presentation. When I switch back to my stereo headphones (HD 700/Sundara) supposedly with high sound stage I still lose spatial information compared to the Roccat Kave. Their bigger sound stage doesn't make make up for the lack of directional audio information.
@@Patrick73787 those were literally one of the headsets that were blind tested. It’s a placebo effect. Spatial sound cannot be created by speakers less than an inch from your ears. It’s a scam.
I have zero issues with sound direction and distance while using stereo beyers.
@@norfolknwhey4787 As I said I can only speak for the Roccat Kave XTD 5.1 headset. I know Linus tested the Razer Tiamat 7.1 but I didn't try that one and I didn't need to watch his video to know that particular headset wasn't great at reproducing directional audio. I watched all 3rd party reviews of all true surround sound headsets that exist on the market so far. The Roccat Kave is one of the best for directional audio.
thanks for the info, guys. im considering buying my first high end headset... so many things must be put into consideration. thanks a lot
Bit late to the party, but is the soundstage still goed even if you chose the 32 ohm without a amplifier?
What's your all time favorite gaming headset/DAC now?
Hey Bijan! I've been watching Your content for a while now - could You maybe do a wireless headsets comparison? What reviews lack is durability tests / opinions about products from what I can observe - thanks! Also wireless mech keyboards round up would be also great :D
should I get the 600 Ohm version or the 32 Ohm version?
I wish if only beyer's T5 gen 3 was included in such a great review...
mmx 300 vs tygr 300 vs dt 1990
Which better for competitive gaming and better with imaging?
hey can you try the cooler master mh752 , there are so many good reviews in it
Hey Bijan, I was wondering if you can review the Beyerdynamic MMX100 that just came out. It has a really good microphone and was ranked no.1 at randomfrankp's top headset list, but so far not many reviews are out there, can you please review it from a competitive standpoint? Thanks!