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⌚ New Watches or Pre Owned - by Brand ?!?
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2019
- Here we chat about which watches or watch brands should be purchased new in 2019. Then, we cover a few watch brands that are a great value preowned. Tossed in the mix are some scenarios given for example as well as some certain brands that are SERIOUS about this in the year 2019. Will ti change in future? Perhaps- let's chat about it !
Watches and brands we talk about include: Rolex, Rolex Submariner, Rolex Daytona, Patek, Patek 5711, Richard Mille, Tissot, Hamilton, Girard Perregaux, Ulysse Nardin, and the list continues in bits.
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-John P
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The positive factor on preowned is, if you scratch them “who cares” but at a fresh new watch the first scratch hurts!
I think Omega is another brand that you would do well to buy pre-owned. The only reason, I believe, you should buy it new is when you buy one of the many limited edition versions of the Speedmaster.
Well said!
Maybe so... but there are Sooo many “limited” versions. I see many of them used.
Angelo Soulas The prices are climbing!! I remember when you could find reduced versions for around a 1k. Now I seem them double that...
I bought my Seamaster new...Dont regret it one bit...it'll never hold value like rolexes but thats not a big concern for me. Hope to pass this on to my child someday
Very true. I bought a Moon to Mars brand new that I could probably sell for more than what I paid, but if I'd gotten a Deville or Aqua Terra instead the value would've tanked
I don't think the atmos clock in the back of every vid doesn't get enough love. its a fantastic piece!
Currently looking to buy a “luxury” watch for my birthday. You have idea how helpful this video was. Thanks a lot John 👌🏾
Welcome. Thanks for coming by
My A.D offered my a Sub Date 2 weeks ago because the guy it was intended for settled on a DJ and of course without hesitation I bought it immediately! lol
S Such NICE! That’s very lucky!
@@Adamgvc It was very lucky!
„New leather smell & buying experience” - GUILTY :)
Buying a new watch is always once-every-few-years thing that I am waiting for & saving money. Plus, the new purchase usually matches some achievement or a milestone of my life, so the boitique experience is always great and for me worth every penny I spend.
On top of that I like to have a feeling that a piece which I am obtaining is only mine & never been someone else’s before. I know it could be weird for some, but that’s how I feel.
So, even though I am 100% conscious of depreciation right after boutique doors are closed behind my back, I strongly prefer new.
Greetings from Poland!
Oh used/grey all the way (when price is a factor north of 5k)! Speaking of which, John you've got a decent looking Longines at a reasonable price with box and papers. Very interesting!
Some of my favorite watches were preowned - Marinemaster, LV sub, 118638.
Breitling all the way....USED BABY!!!💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
Couldn't agree more. You get a high quality, built like tank watch at massive discount 2nd market or grey.
Agreed👍 i actually shop grey market 1st then secondary market(sorry John and Federico🤷🏼♂️)
Thanks for this video. I'm definitely getting my Seamaster or Hydro 1200 pre-owned. Keep up the good work.
Hey John, I know you're a Ulysse Nardin guy.. Where can you get a good deal on a marine chronometer /chronograph? These models got my attention lately.. Any recommendation for UN in general? Thanks!
Sometimes we get them in. I like them at a good deal. Currently all I can suggest is Chrono24. I am sure someone we know has one in their display case if you did want us to source. Either way neat watch.
Thanks for the reply, I can contact you about sourcing one once I'm set on a specific model!
I only own Rolex , Tudor, Omega and Seiko. So far I don’t see any other brands I’m really interested in.
I hate the experience, im terrified of retail sales people, and i am a cheapskate so everything preowned for me. However id like to hear more about these pretty sales girls you speak of
Design district in miami- loads
I think it depends. I typically look at an internet price from delray watch, C&C or watchbox. When I go to the AD, I just ask a price close and usually I only pay 200 or so more. When I bought a Tudor I chrono Blue, I got it for less than the internet prices.For the Omega Seamaster I asked 4200 when Crown and Caliber had the one I wanted for 4K. I think if the dealer knows your a watch fan they will give you 15 to 30 off. Do most people just buy online now a days or are you fine paying a small premium or sometimes less at the dealer when you build a relationship with them.
Interesting about Tudor. Here in the UK BlackBay 58s and GMTs were waitlist pieces all year so far, but now they are (apparently) about to become more readily available from early November onwards - so one is told by ADs.
In general, I'd say you look to buy new at retail if a watch checks two of the following three boxes: "steel-sports", "Rolex", and "Patek". Otherwise you'll almost invariably save money by buying pre-owned.
But pre-owned does mean you'll be getting a watch that someone else has been to the bathroom while wearing, jerked off while wearing, picked their nose while wearing...etc... Just saying :-D
Good video John
Hi John, I bought an IWC portugiese chronograph, and I really hate the leather strap that it comes on. I've been looking for a good rubber band and I found one from greubel forsey on ebay. Now I have an IWC with a band that says greubel forsey. Is this ok?
Fine with me :)
Interesting topic, though most i cannot afford or just wont blow the money 😉. Patek and Lange are definitely pieces of Art such as Bovey, Gauthier, or FPJ. Mille is irrelevant. I think I will stay at the $5000 price point. Nicely done JP. 👍
Thanks! Yes very high end pieces :)
The Omega Seamaster is sold! I don't see it on your website anymore. Sad.
John, can you please discuss the watch you are wearing in this video? Out of all the videos I have watched, the one time I am interested to know and there is no "Wristwatch Check".
Thank you.
Good info today VERY helpful
Hi john, love the videos they are really informative. What do you think about Patek world time in white gold. In would like a newish one.. how well do they hold value long term? Thanks!
Another quality post - keep it up JP!
I've been on Chrono 24 heavy lately looking for a Rolex 2 done datejust. A good amount of the sellers there think there vintage watches appreciate more than modern rolex. What's your thought on this?
Based on what another video about Tudor you did, and the # of Tudor(s) made and sold vs Rolex marketing. WHen the market has ample supply, ie bb58 w/e, the effect on the price point of the watch in secondary market?
Thanks for the advice. I always get 15%off on brand new Tudor. Di yiu think pre own is still more interesting?
Totally agree, GP is great pre-owned, so is Choppard, Blancpain, Tag and even some Vacheron pieces.
Oh yes !!!
Loving the channel John! Personally I seem to have outgrown the "new" and modern designs of these luxury watches. This year I've taken an interest into the vintage watches and have recently acquired a Rolex 16040m Submariner. The vintage Omega is definitely mouthwatering and would gladly consider it! Its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get these vintage Rolex pieces, would love to know your take on vintage Rolex versus the Omega vintage. Lastly, would you prefer a watch with a date window or without? Cheers and have a great day ahead!
Good video; You didn’t mention Omega...great value when purchased second-hand.
You should remove the sticker on your new Super Dry t-shirt.
Great video by the way
Pl make a review of the longines annual calendar
I agree 100%. Based on my experience, buy Rolex new from an AD and Omega preowned from a reputable preowned dealer. Grey market only below $2K. I have seen GMT's Batman prices going down, but still way over retail price.
Yes sir !
Rolex and Patek new, all other brands used
What's your thoughts on the pendulum finally swinging back towards neutral to yellow gold accents (especially for two-tones) from pink/rose gold?? I have a medium dark complexion - rose gold looks horrible on me and I don't want to pay extra money for any sort of gold electroplating or PVD...
Personal preference
@@JohnPWatches just the trend coming off its hype?
Richard Mille should just chill with whatever costumers do, same for Patek. Its just wrong to think to be unreplaceable and once you annoyed your prime costumers enough you are easier to be replaced. Maybe Patek has a standing where they can decide who is in and who is not, but Mille will vanish quicker from this market than their carbon watch cases will degrade when actually used.
Great video and great review
Thanks !
What's your opinion on company's like Artisans de Geneve.
The watches are neat, some I like a lot. Good quality work
Couldn't find that Omega on delray... is it still available?
Sold very quickly
If you are the kind of person who is looking to this video for advice and you're interested in sub $1000 Hamiltons, a few hundred dollars is probably a significant amount of money. Buy for $1000 or for $600, which is the better deal? Hmmm...
Didn’t hear you say much about breitling😀😀
What’s the difference between used and pre-owned?
About $50
Great topic
What are you talking about with the datejust 41 & paying the extra few percent with an AD!?.....most desirable datejust’s you can’t find at AD’s & are selling for 15-20% grey!
Totally agree
10-25-19 Check out this listing title on ebay. There is no way they are authentic? Or they are solden. The is a Sub an AP and an RM. Here is the listing title." Multiple Watches Richard Mille, Royal Oak, Automatic "
What about ap royal Oak?new or used?
Depends which one. Some have prices grouped around retail(ish) some are lower.
John P which one lower?
@John P but don’t you have to spend money to service it after buying it pre owned ,when new you can wait five years
Buy a used watch that does not need service :)
I got a great deal even after factoring in the service and as a plus I got a new warranty, a watch in like new condition, spare parts and a travel case. As an added bonus I got the reassurance everything about my watch was legit and genuine.
@John P should you service a Tissot that cost 1000$ retail price?
If it has problems or you want to keep it :)
How much should a watch cost for you to thinking about getting it service after 5 or seven years?@John P
7 years would be ok. If a watch has more functions increases necessity.
I would buy Panerai new. I would only buy one in my life and I’m paranoid about the fakes circulating around the market.
Thanks for input
If you can not get a new Rolex at the Ad’s were do you go? Pre owned and the worst of this is that they are more expensive. Only this happens with Rolex all other brands buy it new. There is no science!!!
Rolex or Patek if you can get the one you want new, probably worth getting new. Forget the champagne treatment at Rolex AD's though. All indications are that most of them know they don't have to do that and what's the point when they likely don't have the watch you want to buy anyway? I'll be getting my Sinn new from the US distributer because that's the place you can get one new and there just aren't used examples of the one I want available. Otherwise, I'd buy pre-owned. You know buying new is a sucker deal when the AD's have to discount their own MSRP. If they are offering 30% off, you know you can get mint pre-owned for 50% off. Finally, unless you are prepared for the value of your Richard Mille to drop by 50% or more when that bubble bursts (and it will) I wouldn't touch one of their watches at this point.
Thanks for input! Well said about pre owned good deal ;)
what? sales girl will go dinner with you?!!!! never happened to me.. damn! what did I miss.
That advertisement at 6:00 looks fake and cheap “perfect family”... 🤦🏻♂️
UA-cam does not tell us what they show- I don’t choose. What was it ?
Angelo Soulas LOL
New Watch for gifts
Re-shard-meel not Richard
John P, how about that new ALS ?
It is a watch I would want to hold in hand to know. I like the watch, but the bracelet is not for me. Maybe it grows on me. Would look great on a strap.
@@JohnPWatches I agree with you, I'd want to hold the goods but I've never heard anyone say they were disappointed by the feel of an ALS. The looks are a little underwhelming at first but I think it will grow on people as time goes by. It's not a copy of anything, it's clearly an ALS, and I kind of like the bracelet. Not Gente-esque, not conventional, one of a kind. A lot people were ready to whack them for copying this, or following that design theme but it doesn't , it's it's own thing.
Of course my opinion is worth nothing but if I win the lottery this week, I think I'll buy one. ;-)
Randy Allen I guess it’s about the Odysseus right ? I think Lange did a awesome job. They made it. They created something which can compete with the royal and the nautilus. But it is a real Lange from the style. Nothing copied I really agree. Also the movement typical Glashütte. I think we will see this beauty at some people in the future. I think not as much as a royal or nautilus but some will buy it. Which makes it for me more exclusive. Because it’s the high end every day watch which nearly no one has.
About the movement and finishing I would say we don’t have to talk a lot. It’s a Lange. Very german movement. Finishing is world class.
@@petermeter5363 We see this watch the same way I believe.
Das best oder nichts!
@@petermeter5363 The bracelet looks like it is from an IWC and sorry but I hate the dial color. Wow, blue dial steel sports. They could've gone the extra mile and done an obsidian black with white gold metallic flakes. I do like the pushers on the side of the case.
Really, a hat or cap inside??
It is acceptable here in the US
Almost all watch retailers have a 40-60% markup on all these brands. Only idiots and posers buy watches new.
Phirst.
You don't talk in interesting way, too much chaos
Uh oh! Chaos! Thanks for input :)
@@JohnPWatches yeah, take it easy, talk slower, other than that videos are good🙌🏻