I see. So when Chaos tried summoning more apostles during the final battle and Black Alice killed them before they could even be summoned it was basically a callback to this. That's a nice touch.
I find his overall character very interesting and I really love both his artstyle and his CG scenes. This leaves me to wonder if perhaps they could've vastly improved his character if they made him sort of like an anti-hero instead of just pretending to be an actual hero. He definitely fit the antagonist role better than Marcellus ever did, not that Marcellus intended to, given his circumstances. And having a powerful male antagonist in MGQ is almost unheard of but something I'll gladly welcome
The goal wasn't to make an interesting character, it was to make a display of what a true hero is. He's been deliberately written as one-dimensional to show that without the spirit and the motivation behind his goals, he's not much more than a moving sword slashing at a target.
@@kaerdrontest2488 That's exactly why I find it interesting. Some self-proclaimed hero who lacks motivation and goals, in turn also lacking in values and morals of one, is someone that invites a lot of room for development and character writing opportunities. Characters like these has been done and made many times before in fiction and depending on how a redemption arc is written, makes for a very interesting story for that character. Though, about the whole anti-hero/villain thing I stated, that was just a follow-up hypothetical thought. I know that they purposely made him into this pseudo-Homelander guy who knows nothing of heroism, but I feel like they could've given him a more... lively writing, considering he is one of the more powerful antagonists of the game. But eh, I don't mind what they made him into, he has a lot of room for development anyway
@@junjieinferno9638 I feel like he acts more similar to Peacemaker than Homelander But yeah I agree. They could've done something more than just intended him to be this one dimensional hero wannabe if they wanted to showcase a strong male 'villain.' But I feel like they didn't want the Apostles of Chaos to take too much of the spotlight
Idea Luka is not male, we've seen her true form is a weird Slime-esque female, we also need to consider the purpose of it's creation as it's to show how despite Chaos antagonistic role at the beginning of the route she still displays admiration for her father, the Apostles and some of the Apoptosis we see in the Chaos route are a way for us to get a glimpse into what Chaos is like, she displays admiration for heroes but her understanding of what a Hero is boils down to "A Hero is someone who defeats the villain" which is why Idea Lukas only knows how to fight. This is a nice contrast with the Beelzebub in central Tartarus who are also Hero cosplayers, but because they are actually raised by Luka they display more Hero traits like wanting to avoid violence and wanting to help others.
After watching the scene in the throne room of Black Alice, you catch the thought that loli-Ilias and loli-Alice are two complete fools. Why did they start a fight out of nowhere? What did they want to prove to this Idea-Lucas? I don’t understand this scene, no matter how much I watch it. What bad did Idea-Lucas do to the hero? The guy looks even more or less adequate against the backdrop of the crazy Rabbit. In the end, Idea-Lucas destroyed many of Black Alice's doppelgängers and prevented many casualties in San Ilia. He saved Luka at the very beginning of the 3rd route. And after everything he had done, Luka and his comrades pounced on the guy like vultures on prey. This all seems so damn unfair.
the thing is that idea luka isnt a proper hero, he only follows the guidelines of heroism but not the spirit, if he was a hero he would have killed or reasoned with the calamities and apostles, he probbly only helped with black alice because he has beef with her being a fake goddess of chaos since he never interferes on other occasions, he had only two other endings, betraying his goddess or exterminating all life on earth during the final battle. and considering how one dimensional he seemed, he would never betray chaos, as he is literally chaos' ideal of a hero.
@@mokey7813, you didn't quite understand the essence of my complaints about this scene. I didn't claim that Idea-Lucas is supposedly the standard of heroism. This guy could be mistaken. He may have been flawed and imperfect as a person. But the problem with this scene is not at all in this Apostle of Chaos, but in Luka himself and his comrades. The protagonist had no valid reason to attack Idea-Lukas. This dude could have been wrong a million times, but he wasn't a sworn enemy for the heroes to pounce on him in such a crowd and shower him with ridicule and insults. Idea-Lukas, unlike Apira Lagos, didn't run across all dimensions, didn't threaten to erase the universe and was not the first to attack the heroes. Even during this fight with him, this guy keeps yelling, "Hey guys, I don't want to kill you!" Luka, as he is known in the game's canon, actually always avoided unnecessary fights if possible. In general, he is a peace-loving person in life. And in this scene, he steps on his own principles and runs mindlessly waving his sword only because Idea-Lukas allegedly doesn't meet some standards of heroism. This reason for Luka to fight this Apostle of Chaos looks so crazy and ridiculous in the context of the plot that it only causes bewilderment.
@@rodiontarutin9330 you forgot one thing, luka is the father of chaos, this influence was so utterly strong that the mere thought of talking with his own daugther was not even on his head, he descended on chaos domain to kill her. Ofc he would go bananas on her apostle. He, quite literally, was possessed by a transcended being who utterly despised his own daughter. Who only didnt kill chaos because luka saw alicepheese 1's mistake and stayed his hand at the very lat second.
@@mokey7813 - no, I didn't forget anything. Do you think that Luka behaved inappropriately and rushed into an unnecessary fight with Idea-Lukas only because he is the father of Chaos-chan and the element of chaos is melting his brain? Excellent, let's make this assumption. Then how do you explain the aggression towards the Apostle of Chaos not only by Luka, but also by Alice along with Ilias? Would you also explain their behavior as a “clouding of mind” due to the influence of chaos?
I see. So when Chaos tried summoning more apostles during the final battle and Black Alice killed them before they could even be summoned it was basically a callback to this.
That's a nice touch.
The Clown Goddess vs The Ultimate Cosplayer.
I love the artstyle of these fights it's so cool
Thank you spare tires for your uploads
Anytime
Chaos Alice: I have an army of mes.
Luka: I have an Idea.
Future Luka & Chaos: No, no you don't.
Present Luka & Chaos Alice: Wait what?!
Idea Luka is:
Chaos: Dad you suck. I want my dad to be....♡~♪~♪ This!!
Black Alice isn't a hero but in the end she acted like more of one then Idea Lukas ever did
black alice talking while decapitated is funny.
By the way what's that music playing when Heinrich fights black Alice?
the trailer music its a remix of maou4 from the og game(maou4 in paradox is different) its called maou5 in the files.
thanks for the translation
Clown calling other clown lol
welcome
I find his overall character very interesting and I really love both his artstyle and his CG scenes.
This leaves me to wonder if perhaps they could've vastly improved his character if they made him sort of like an anti-hero instead of just pretending to be an actual hero. He definitely fit the antagonist role better than Marcellus ever did, not that Marcellus intended to, given his circumstances.
And having a powerful male antagonist in MGQ is almost unheard of but something I'll gladly welcome
The goal wasn't to make an interesting character, it was to make a display of what a true hero is. He's been deliberately written as one-dimensional to show that without the spirit and the motivation behind his goals, he's not much more than a moving sword slashing at a target.
@@kaerdrontest2488 That's exactly why I find it interesting. Some self-proclaimed hero who lacks motivation and goals, in turn also lacking in values and morals of one, is someone that invites a lot of room for development and character writing opportunities.
Characters like these has been done and made many times before in fiction and depending on how a redemption arc is written, makes for a very interesting story for that character.
Though, about the whole anti-hero/villain thing I stated, that was just a follow-up hypothetical thought. I know that they purposely made him into this pseudo-Homelander guy who knows nothing of heroism, but I feel like they could've given him a more... lively writing, considering he is one of the more powerful antagonists of the game.
But eh, I don't mind what they made him into, he has a lot of room for development anyway
@@junjieinferno9638 I feel like he acts more similar to Peacemaker than Homelander
But yeah I agree. They could've done something more than just intended him to be this one dimensional hero wannabe if they wanted to showcase a strong male 'villain.' But I feel like they didn't want the Apostles of Chaos to take too much of the spotlight
@@gamingsyndrome2686 Oh sh** ur right. Must have mixed up the characters. Now I look like an idiot with that reply
Idea Luka is not male, we've seen her true form is a weird Slime-esque female, we also need to consider the purpose of it's creation as it's to show how despite Chaos antagonistic role at the beginning of the route she still displays admiration for her father, the Apostles and some of the Apoptosis we see in the Chaos route are a way for us to get a glimpse into what Chaos is like, she displays admiration for heroes but her understanding of what a Hero is boils down to "A Hero is someone who defeats the villain" which is why Idea Lukas only knows how to fight.
This is a nice contrast with the Beelzebub in central Tartarus who are also Hero cosplayers, but because they are actually raised by Luka they display more Hero traits like wanting to avoid violence and wanting to help others.
Nice.
After watching the scene in the throne room of Black Alice, you catch the thought that loli-Ilias and loli-Alice are two complete fools. Why did they start a fight out of nowhere? What did they want to prove to this Idea-Lucas? I don’t understand this scene, no matter how much I watch it. What bad did Idea-Lucas do to the hero? The guy looks even more or less adequate against the backdrop of the crazy Rabbit. In the end, Idea-Lucas destroyed many of Black Alice's doppelgängers and prevented many casualties in San Ilia. He saved Luka at the very beginning of the 3rd route. And after everything he had done, Luka and his comrades pounced on the guy like vultures on prey. This all seems so damn unfair.
the thing is that idea luka isnt a proper hero, he only follows the guidelines of heroism but not the spirit, if he was a hero he would have killed or reasoned with the calamities and apostles, he probbly only helped with black alice because he has beef with her being a fake goddess of chaos since he never interferes on other occasions, he had only two other endings, betraying his goddess or exterminating all life on earth during the final battle. and considering how one dimensional he seemed, he would never betray chaos, as he is literally chaos' ideal of a hero.
@@mokey7813, you didn't quite understand the essence of my complaints about this scene. I didn't claim that Idea-Lucas is supposedly the standard of heroism. This guy could be mistaken. He may have been flawed and imperfect as a person. But the problem with this scene is not at all in this Apostle of Chaos, but in Luka himself and his comrades. The protagonist had no valid reason to attack Idea-Lukas. This dude could have been wrong a million times, but he wasn't a sworn enemy for the heroes to pounce on him in such a crowd and shower him with ridicule and insults. Idea-Lukas, unlike Apira Lagos, didn't run across all dimensions, didn't threaten to erase the universe and was not the first to attack the heroes. Even during this fight with him, this guy keeps yelling, "Hey guys, I don't want to kill you!"
Luka, as he is known in the game's canon, actually always avoided unnecessary fights if possible. In general, he is a peace-loving person in life. And in this scene, he steps on his own principles and runs mindlessly waving his sword only because Idea-Lukas allegedly doesn't meet some standards of heroism. This reason for Luka to fight this Apostle of Chaos looks so crazy and ridiculous in the context of the plot that it only causes bewilderment.
@@rodiontarutin9330 you forgot one thing, luka is the father of chaos, this influence was so utterly strong that the mere thought of talking with his own daugther was not even on his head, he descended on chaos domain to kill her. Ofc he would go bananas on her apostle.
He, quite literally, was possessed by a transcended being who utterly despised his own daughter. Who only didnt kill chaos because luka saw alicepheese 1's mistake and stayed his hand at the very lat second.
@@mokey7813 - no, I didn't forget anything. Do you think that Luka behaved inappropriately and rushed into an unnecessary fight with Idea-Lukas only because he is the father of Chaos-chan and the element of chaos is melting his brain? Excellent, let's make this assumption. Then how do you explain the aggression towards the Apostle of Chaos not only by Luka, but also by Alice along with Ilias? Would you also explain their behavior as a “clouding of mind” due to the influence of chaos?
@rodiontarutin9330 ilias, there is no need, alice is willing to commit omnicide for the world. Both are extremely violent.