Best CHEAP Sony Lens for Video! (Sony 16mm vs. Sigma 16mm)
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1️⃣ Sony 16mm 2.8 (Used)
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In this video, Omar Eltakrori from THiNK Media TV talks about the best cheap lens for Sony mirrorless cameras for making UA-cam videos. If you are curious about the best prime lens for a6100, a6400, and a6600, or a cheap wide-angle lens for Sony, then check out this video. Omar covers the must-have lens for making video and filmmaking and the best cheap Sony lens for low light.
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Question of the Day ⚡ Do you notice a difference between these two lenses? Let me know! ****** 🔴 🔴Check out the Sony 16mm 2.8 lens here ➡️ amzn.to/3qjTIg2 🔴🔴
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The Sigma lens looked way better. However I also wish you'd have shown in the 16-50mm kit lens to compare as well.
The 3$00 bokeh difference.
Just bought a A6400 + Sigma 16mm for live streaming.
Great video 💯💯💯
Nex6 with the kit 16-50 and the 16mm great photos..
love this system.
Also have an RX100M1 & 3, some fantastic pics from those li'l guy as well.
The Sony is trying to focus on your practical light and having issues with it. It's quite distracting compared to the Sigma which is buttery smooth and isn't having issues with that background light.
I definitely notice a difference. The sigma has a sharper image and the color is more saturated.
indeed
the autofocus on the sony 16mm f2.8 is horrible, look at the light in the background 2:25 😵💩
The Sony lens is $300+ in Canada...I think I'm willing to spend the extra $180-200 for the Sigma.
Next question is how much of a difference there is between the Sony 16mm f2.8 and the kit-lens at 16mm 3.5.
The F stops for one, also the 16mm is a prime, no zoom
3.5 has less bokeh
both are god awful lenses
The clarity of the Sigma lens is noticeable, but the size of that smaller Sony lens is quite impressive for how good that looks. That might work well for our cockpit someday :) Thanks for this video!
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I notice a difference but is sure ain’t a $300 difference.
2:31 whats wrong with the light behind? there is a weird movement! No for sony ! go for sigma !!!!
HUGE difference! Fist off the image is greener, grainier, more cropped in and not as clear. I would say go with the Sigma. :) Still, the Sony isn't bad. Just not as good.
100% agreed. The Sigma looks so buttery smooth and warm tones, the Sony lens doesn’t look as natural, but it’s a matter of cost. I think the Sigma is worth the money premium.
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me
Me too.. as I like his channel..
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not me I watch videos before liking!
I have a Canon M50 and I’ve been wanting that Sigma lens ever since y’all first showed it last year.
Think Media is giving the best advice again, don't you think?
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@@Dodgster can't agree more
Sigma looks great...softer background...Sony is also very nice!!! I don’t think viewers really care about the softer background but rather the content...I’ve found some of the shittiest shot videos provide great quality content!!!
To me, it is worth to go for the sigma, since the image quality is better and sharper. imho If i went with the Sony, I would end up getting the sigma down the road..so better get the sigma right of the bat. Im very perfeccionist about lenses image quality, any type of unwanted blurr is a really deal breaker for me
Dang reading my mind, I was just thinking about which one would be worth the buy for my A6600.
Same I bought the a6600 with the Sigma 30mm 1.4 and it is sharp so regret not getting the 16 instead. Seeing the side by side the Sony 2.8 seems like a good budget alternative.
I use the Sigma 16mm with the Sony a6400! It's a great combo, especially for UA-camrs👍
that's what I'm thinking of getting. I wanted the a7c, but I calculated $2,426 for the a7c with my preferred lens. Yikes that's a lot.
btw, do you feel your combo is good for low light videos indoors?
The difference for these type of YT videos is not worth $300 imo. Thank you for videos like this.
Is the Sigma a real improvement from the kit 16-50mm lens for the a6400 regarding video ? There is no stabilizazion what scares me a bit, but that background blur is craaaazy !
Absolutely! The sigma is sharper, faster and the bokeh is insane. It’s a must have on any Sony APSC.
@@jordanduncan1168 Thanks bro ! I ordered it! Can't wait to try it ! 🙂
I think the Sony 16mm is better for outside vlogging if you dont want alot of attention and the size. And the sigma 16mm is great for more indoor on a tripod.
It would be amazing if manufacturers provided T-stop values for their products. The primary reason I will pay more for fast lenses is because even accounting for light transmission differences a 1.4 should be brighter than a 2.8. I love the night so I go for fast glass in the hopes that the T-stop isn't too far off. The option to get good subject separation with a thin plane of focus is a juicy bonus.
I’m still surviving with my iphone! But thinking of creating my Christmas gift list ! Super review!
How do you manage you content from recording so much on your phone. Do you have a hard drive where you safe your pics and videos to be able to continue to record and not run out of space?
The difference in color alone is vast. Bokeh was also pretty noticeable.
Thanks for showing some love to this lens! It's great for the price but most reviwers out there I think they test it all wrong. This thing only has 5 elements and was designed for vlogging/environmental portraits om the cheap. That means far/infinity focus is compromised and it probably has plenty of field distortion because of the simple build, so test shots of landscapes or architecture often make it look really bad. Not saying sony can't make ot better but it is definitely better than the kit lens at what it does best.
I really appreciate your real world approach. Most reviews on the lens zoom in on pictures and talk about stuff I can barely see. Admittedly, I am not s professional photographer so that might be the key issue but I really appreciate the no nonsense practical application. Just bought one because of this review
Sigma is legendary. F1.4 is absolutely amazing, even though on a regular basis, you can't vlog at F1.4. It's super overexposed and too sharp, the F1.4 would probably be best for studio work, live streaming, shooting in low light etc. Focus though, absolutely rubbish. Very heavy for vlogging.
Sony, I haven't tested it yet, it's in the mail but it seems to offer 85% of the sigma at much much less weight and most probably a better focus. In my case, the sigma would not balance on my small gimbal, but the sony would. So there you have it.
The e16 2.8 cant use hybrid af - notably the pdaf part - not to mention the outer edge is canon 50 1.4 gen 1 kind of bad.
What is the best sony a6400 lens for youtube fitness videos. Fitness videos aren't shot close-up.
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Sony 16mm f2.8 doesn't work on sony zv e10☹️
Honestly, was about to buy a sigma 1.4 as I have wanted for a while (real estate videos). Seeing as I’ve been doing well with my f/ 3.5 16mm in terms of light, 2.8 would already let a lot more light in - and as it’s so cheap I’m going to buy that first, and if I’m not happy I’m going to buy the sigma too
I have the Sigma 30mm, but it zooms way too much in. I was thinking of buying the 16mm from Sigma, but the lens itself is so big! This video REALLY helped me! I was thinking "of course no one is gonna talk about using such expensive things as just a webcam, that's silly" - and here you are, showing exactly what I'm looking for! THANK YOU! I just ordered the Sony 16 mm!
Hello!
I recently purchased the Sony zv e10 camera. It's my first camera ever (i want to use it for filming my youtube video's), so I am absolutely clueless about camera's.
When I start my camera, it doesn't film anything. It's very blurry and you can only see the colors changing, but I can't actually film with it. Is this because I didn't attach an extra lens to it? I thought I could use it without buying a lens.
Or maybe it's something in the settings? I feel like an idiot but if anyone knows please let me know.
I use SONY camera! 👍 Thanks for sharing this
I do prefer the warmer nicer colours of the Sigma a lot. I own several Sony lenses and cameras and can't stand the blueish look of native Sony glass... makes everything look sad and dark.
The Sony is actually brighter at 2.8 and focusing is quicker
It’s a shame on a professional esthetic rig-geeks would be offended
how can this video be shot with sigma 16 if I can see it on your table in the video????
great video, I own the Sigma 16 but not worth for me to get the Sony prime 16, because I already own the kit lens that came with my a6400. If F-stop isn't an issue then the kit lens is great, light, and still get the job done. Just my thoughts. If I didn't have the kit lens, then yes, I might invest in a Sony prime 16 but for vlogging or talking points on a tripod.
I love the Sony Pancake lens, for that reason... is a Pancake! Literally fits in my coat pocket even on my a7s!
I've sold and repurchased this lens twice! Everytime I let it go, I miss it.
Awesome comparison!
It's not a lens, it's a body cap! :)
Was sigma lens set at 1.4 aperture? You will notice a difference if you shoot in aperture priority mode, to get max bokeh
I don't know where you can find the Sony lens that cheap, but in Canada, the cheapest for that Sony lens is $200 used. In my opinion, the $300 difference is worth it. Where it isn't worth it is the size of the lens. That Sony is way smaller. And I feel like if you're shooting 16mm at f/2.8, then you might as well just shoot with the kit lens at 3.5. It's prob even less noticeable than the difference between these 2 lenses. The Sigma also crushes the Sony in low light being a full 2 stops faster. That's the difference between shooting at ISO 12800 and ISO 3200.
the difference is SO tiny. there was a tiny bit more sharpness with the sigma, which I expected. I think for the use and the budget, I would go with the Sony and then when I am able to to, I would upgrade to the Sigma.
A quick tip about the sigma 16mm lenses that you might not know because I didn’t know and there is almost nothing on the Inter. I just purchased this lense to used on a Sony ZV-E10 and unfortunately and be aware, this is a fix lense, meaning you cannot zoom in and out on the ZV-E10 and also you cannot use the digital zoom that comes with the camera because is not compatible unless you mess about with the function on the camera. That’s the only way that you can use the zoom in and out feature from the camera but not the lense.
Nobody talks about using the digital zoom thank you
@@urbangearman that’s why I’m talking about, because nobody talks about, cheers.
Already own sigma 16mm ...
I'm happy with that..
It is a great lens.
@@CarthagoMike yes. It's great. I missed the OSS when shooting handheld. But When I use my camera on a gimbal, I'm truly satisfied with It's image quality and auto focus..
Is it really that good for low light videos indoors? I'm thinking of getting it as well!
@@mr_red13 it's much better to compare with kit lens, sometimes auto focus get struggle, but not always, (sony doesn't like customers buying 3rd party products)😉...low light situations? It's really good... go ahead and buy it.. you won't regret...
Hey, will I be able to achieve background blur if I am just 5 feet away from the wall in background?
That sigma 16mm isn't just good for videos, but photos. I have taken so many great photos from that Sigma. I never even sold it after I sold my aps-c a6300 I kept it once I went full frame.
Yea! And you can totally use crop mode on your full frame Sony!
@@ThinkMediaTV yea thats what I have to use it on.
Love the stuff! What would be best lens for filming full body golf instruction videos.
I hate the way 12mm looks and 16 or 18 is right. I can knock out a couple more feet to help distance.
Any suggestions as I’m going in circles
Camera is Sony 6400
I'm making this comment at the three minute mark. There is a definite difference in how it handles light. I don't know if this is in the lens construction or stop difference or the camera setup, but there is a difference in favor of the Sigma.
I have a Sony 16 mm 2.8, a Sony 20 mm 2.8, a Sony 50mm 1.8, and a Sony 18-55mm 3.5-5.6.
Essentially, I never used the zoom. And they all have been sitting in a drawer since I got my RX100m5
But I'd like to add an Astro prime and a tele prime, for my new 6600...
Thanks I’m buying the Sony EV 10 and the Sigma16 from your links. You earned it. 👊🏼
Id love to use this with zv-e1 does it work with that? Even if i have to crop in a little bit?
The only difference I've noticed was in lighting but for a started on doing videos seems like a good option
I’m using a Canon 70D and I have 6 lenses that I picked up on the cheap but looks great for a hobbies. Just because something is old doesn’t mean it’s obsolete.
Exactly what I've been searching for in the last hour. Luckily I found this video! Thanks mate, most likely I'm gonna get one 😉👍🏻
Yesss been hearing hype about the 16mm, thank you for this!
There is a big difference, The fact is when you shooting in low light the Sigma 1.4 will work better and produced desirable footage as the F2.8 will not and you will have to use a noise reduction shortwave that will make your footage softer and that is a no when you have to do commercial work.. you will need more light. in fact, your background light is flickering. in the perfect condition where you control the light, this isn't a big deal. also, the sigma lens is sharper than the sony.
Why buy it at 200$ when you can buy at 100$ i like that @omareltakori you are a legend bro👍
My friend I have a question..
Does that Sony lens work with a a7Rii full-frame camera?
or what lens do you recommend at a low price for my a7Rii among these 2 or is there another option?
It does work, but as it is made for a crop sensor (E mount, full frame is FE) it will leave a circle in the full frame...
I have a Sony-made “Hasselblad” 16 on my a6000 (Hasselblad’s short-lived APS-C camera was really a Sony) and the Sigma lens on a MFT body.
My Sony “Hasselblad” lens cost $149 4 years ago. I used it for every day and street use for 3 years.
I bought my Sigma used for $200 - because of great reviews. Yes - it IS very heavy.
I like both pieces of glass!
Would it work for full frame?
Do you need to turn up your studio lights with the Sony lens?
The reason I ordered the Sigma (still waiting for it) is that I thought I wouldn't need such bright lights when recording or streaming.
Hi Omar! Do I need any sort of mount adaptor for a Sony A7S Body?
No. Both these lenses will be natively compatible. They are all E mount as is the A7S.
Keep in mind that both lenses are E mount, meaning they are made for crop sensor and will leave a circle if used with a full frame camera...
I haven't been able to find the Sony 16 2.8 for $100!!
ebay
Well the price just went up.
The light is different. The sigma shows the colours better and there is more light. The shaded areas are clearer too
So basically you just compared the Sony 16mm used vs the Sigma 16 brand new. Thats some **
The actual difference is like 150 dollars so the 2.8 lens is totally not worth it except for the size.
If you try to compare the used market the sony goes for like 100 and the sigma for like 250-300 so still 150$ more for a brighter - sharper - better quality lens.
Just imagine I don’t do talking head videos but I do other all sorts of footage and also capture photographs. My question is is 16mm sigma is better or the 30mm sigma is good for me. I can only buy one. Thanks I’m advance
FYI you link says Sony a6000 instead of A6600 in description. Only noticed it since i just picked up a A6000 for 300 and know its old lol. great video though I will definitely pick one of these up for my A6000.
i think the only difference is that the sigma takes in more light from the backlights, and it is slightly warmer. But overall, not much of a difference in my opinion. For someone on a budget, the Sony lens does the job well
Agreed. If I don't win the gear kit this month (which is 99% likely), I'll start out my new setup with a ZV-E10 and the Sony 16mm... It seems decent enough and can still be used as a b-roll side-angle camera later on when upgrading to a more expensive setup.
Most of the differences in color can be adjusted with simple color corrections.
@@DatingDilemmaBreakdown I didn't really notice the colour difference to be honest. The first camera I thought of was the ZV E10 and the M3 gimbal.
I want to be able to zoom! I make content for Permanent Makeup Artists and I need close-up shots. any suggestions!! cant find anything on here for this issue.
This video was crazy useful. Lots of people recommended the sigma to me, and while I love it, I'm mainly doing youtube stuff with occasional photography, so I think starting with the sony is the right move!
Did you buy it? And do you like it? I’m thinking about it. But I saw the autofocus seems to be bad and idk how it’ll affect my talking head videos
@@bibimathew6381 hey! I did! I have the sigma apsc 16mm and the 30mm. Literally night and day world of difference from the kit lens and just as good as the sony lens (unless you're like a reviewer splitting hairs but then go for full frame and expensive glass.) Honestly the sigma trilogy on my a6600 is so top tier that I don't think I'll be moving to full frame for a couple of years. I swear the boca makes you just "look like a UA-camr". Highly recommend. I got mine used but in great condition on eBay because they hold value well on the second hand market.
@@JonDotExe Thanks for the reply. Are you talking about the Sigma lens or the Sony 16mm being good? Because right now, Sigma is a bigger investment vs the sony lens.If the sony 16mm is major upgrade over the kit lens, I can buy it for my talking head videos.
@@bibimathew6381 the sigma lens. It's a loooot better than that particular Sony lens. I made the mistake of buying the sony first and immediately sold it after getting the sigma.
@@JonDotExe I got the sigma lens and man, it's beautiful haha. low aperture is great and autofocus is pretty good as well. Now I need a little bit more wide angle lens for my real estate walk thru videos
a sigma 1.4 lens lets in 4x more light than a sony 2.8 lens, that is why the glass is 4x more surface area. if you explain it like that, people better understand what you are talking about instead of just throwing out F numbers.
On a 4k 32in monitor, I can just ever so slightly notice that the sigma looks sharper and maybe has richer color?
Where do you get $85. It's $249 everywhere.
Right! And the Sigma is $349 and has better aperture. I have this one and it's great on my A6100 when I stream on UA-cam
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It's not 400$ difference, but there's a difference. Spend the extra amount on lighting
As a new beginner with a $300 like brand new Sony NEX 7 I wanted a better lens than the 18-55 mm kit lens that came with the NEX 7 I am not a photographer so when I take pictures I just use my iPhone 13 Pro I just want a better lens to use for video streaming plus the sigma is to bulky so I wanted to know if the Sony SEL16F28 16mm F2.8 lens will bring out better video than the Sony 18-55 mm kit lens?
Thank you for your information, I just bought A6600 but I don't have lens yet, I planning to buy Lens Sony E mount 10-18mm but it's too expensive, you save me, I decide to buy Singma 16mm F1.4, subscribe your channel..
I wouldn't recommend the Sony 16mm f/2.8 if people already have the 16-50mm kit lens. Yes, it's a bit brighter, but the image quality in the corners is horrendous. It's a 10 yo lens and it shows.
when vlogging , I always do it on daylight and the kit len is good enough. I rarely vlog at night. when you ready abt photo and pro video, then look into sigma.
I shot with the kit lens in a darker setting recently and the footage is terrible.
I was thinking of getting an additional lens for my Canon M50, preferably for a wider view. What do you guys recommend?
I know I am not Think Media, but if you are looking for a wide lens, get the 11-22mm, they talk about it in other videos.
10-18 mm
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Just mad people to buy sony lenses for theh price it's been sold
For the same price:
1 - Sony ZV E 10 + Sony lenses
2 - Sony ZV A6700 + Sigma
Lol, it's clear that it's a terrible worth for money to buy sony lenses, even if it's better, it's not more than 5% or 10%
This was super helpful. I just got my first camera Sony ev10. Now I know where to start for my starter lens.
IMHO the Sigma 16mm F1.4 is a better lens overall. And I mean way better. But the Sony SEL 16F28 is good enough to post pics and videos on social media without going nuts cropping or pixel peeping like crazy because sharpness pefection wonderful ultraclear mastershot bokeh... And in some applications that sharpening of everything is not needed. Or even non desirable.
For potraits and detailed landscapes, street photography, low light stuff... I would choose the Sigma (I did). No brainer. But for taking casual pics of whatever easily and print them, uploading videos or photos, using the thing con controlled ambients... a cheaper lens would do the job good enough. Many of us have even 1080p screens on our PC´s, or consume videos and photos on small screens where 1080p looks OK. I mean, if I´m consuming photos on Instagram quickly, it doesn´t matter if I´m seeing them on HD or 4K, I won´t notice unless I go cropping /pixel peeping like crazy.
In an nutsell, as always, buy the best your budget allows. That´s all.
IMHO - This Sony pancake is a POS........ I can't understand anyone who knows what they're talking about recommending this piece of plastic. Yes, it's small and very light (which is why I researched it) but on one forum it was labelled as THE worst lens SONY had produced..............draw your own conclusions
Unfortunately F2.8 isn't all that fast on an APS-C camera, like it would be on a full frame. You get less light and less bokeh. So the Sony 2.8 would be nice from weight perspective, and better than the kit lens, but it's not punching anywhere close to a 2.8 on a full frame.
You can get the kit lens 16-50 brand new for like 150 and its stabilized but it only goes to f3.5
Do you think that sony one is better to shoot videos at home than neewer 35mm f1.7 ?
I know both of those 16mm lenses.
The Viltrox is great, but too damned big and heavy!
The Sony is a pancake and the picture quality is worse than my phone!
There must be a decent, smallish 16mm (24mm equivalent lens somewhere?
This should be just about the same field of view as an iPhone, right?
I think the Biggest difference I noticed was the "flicker" that seemed to be present in the background after changing the lens. May not be a technical issue, but overall quality was much the same.
The Sony pancake is a pretty crap lens.
The Sigma is excellent, but too damned heavy and big!
Can't someone make a compromise between? 24mm eqivalent is one of the most important standard lenses.
Okay guys hear me out, I think I'm thinking ahead of me here but isn't the sigma 16mm 1.4 would be a 24mm 2.1 on an APS-C Sony and wouldn't the Sony 16mm 2.8 would be like a 24mm 4.2 lens, I'm a novice here but I've heard whenever we buy a lens the crop factor has to be multiplied to the aperture and focal length to know what it will be equal to full frame, am I right? If wrong, what am I missing?
I run my Sigma at 1.6, I like the blurred background and all I use it for is a webcam... it hasn't left the tripod since the day I mounted it.
I'm still using the kit lens that came with the M50.
Thanks for the info!
Difference is there. And very noticeable. The question if it worth price difference is, on the other hand, is open... Sony looks like it's not clean... smudged..
The difference I see is sharpness. I watch in 1440p (that's as much as my monitor goes) and looking at your glasses, they are WAY sharper with the Sigma....
the lower f-stop on the sigma lens is why the price tag is so high. also paired with the autofocus on the lens. If you go with the sony 16mm you'll be better off if you use manual focus and have decent lighting so you can keep your ISO low. You wont have as deep of a focus range, but it'll still look nice.
Sony 16mm f2.8 is definitely NOT the best lens around overall.
But for what it's meant for, especially compared to the pancake zoom kit lens, it's far from terrible.