Por favor, el peor sonidista de la historia. El saxo de ravi ni se escuchaba. bajó el piano de mccoy mientras acompañaba. El ride no casi no se escucha.
Mccoy Tyner has accidentally skipped two bars comping Mike's second chorus at 2:38. Something really interesting happens here, Mike is first right but then realizes almost immediately the mistake and re-syncs with the piano, basically at the same time once that is established Christian McBride follows them but Roy Haynes is keeping the original form until some moments after the second half of that chorus hits so everybody then comes back together again. The lessons from this are two in my opinion: 1) Doing mistakes is human and being a great pro means having good ears and being able to react with whatever new situation being flexible. In this cause Mike has so much the sound of the tune's chord progression in the head that going back in track is almost automatic. 2) Timing in jazz is the most important thing, and here the musicians are so solid that even though the harmonic form got twisted the whole thing did not collapse.
Not quite. McCoy actually has his own arrangement of Moment’s Notice, doing the original intro twice as long, using the original hits, and purposefully cutting the two measures before the pedal, and pedals all the way through the top of the form, except to signal end of head/solo he goes to Emaj7. That was most probably why he kept cutting those two measures (not just once) and during Brecker’s solo he realized what was happening but ended up adding two measures, hitting Emaj7 when the whole band hit the top of the form, and somehow finagled back to the form.
How a sound engineer can destroy the performance of the best musicians ... They do not hear themselves on stage. In these conditions, it's a real feat to continue to play! It's not a question of saying "they are as human and not demi-gods", obviously they are, but they are not responsible for what happens in the monitors. Look at Mc Coy at 6'17 ", he can't believe his ears! Shame on the sound engineer!
I think you're right, Michael. Watching this thing it's hard to believe this guys can perform this piece so poorly, especially with the level they're at you never hear musicians like this randomly losing each other's time like this... Pretty sure they monitors are screwed and they can't hear a thing the others are doing, else it's pretty embarassing...
Doesn't help that neither of the horns are close enough to the mics to pick up without destroying the audience's ears with feedback. Also McCoy's face is not dire by any means at 6'17". He and McBride are BEAMING at eachother. Stay in your lane lmao
Despite all the other problems, I love the way they captured Brecker's sound on this recording. It's very pure sounding compared to some of his other recordings.
Oh, how I adore this musical fraternity especially the pairing of Ravi Coltrane with his father's idol Michael Brecker - himself an inspiration to Ravi Coltrane! And, oh yes, John Coltrane lives! And, yes, so does Michael Brecker! Ravi and his big brother! So emotional, my listening to John Coltrane through the media of Mike and Ravi!
I know all these guys are legends but it was rough lol. Having experienced this on stage several times I can share this.....when the sound is bad and you can't hear each other, it's impossible to really sync and it creates this panic in your mind and each player starts to play different time. Screws everything up lol. Also sounds like they were playing variations of the arrangement as far as playing those hits on the head. Piano and drums were playing 2 different swings while bass was trying to hold them together. When all else fails follow McBride lol! He won't lead you to a bad feel. All in all, it happens even to the best players. Sound sucked and everyone approached it differently, causing a slight trainwreck.
This is the beauty of jazz improvisation of the structure is not an exact science. The constant evolution of playing through the changes creatively regardless of the elements. That’s the skill required to play at this level. It could be in a night club or at Newport. Listen and enjoy!
I realize that Ravi is moving a lot more in and out the mic space as to Michael, u can hear at the end of Michael first phrase that it got silent quick cuz he moved away
Wow, what a dodgy entrance, Actually, most of it was a bit of a mess. (Damn Christian McBride is rock solid though!) It's great to see that such giants are fallible like the rest of us. They don't sweat it, nobody got hurt, they smile and move on.
Just an amateur's observation here, but it seems the way Roy Haynes is spacing the swing is too loose or spread out for the flow. Kind of gives the tempo a weird undertow or something. Al Foster swings it tighter when he plays with Tyner in their Coltrane tribute recorded at The Village Vanguard, and that band also plays it maybe 20 bpms faster.
@@duetchops3768 He knows. Brecker was one of the legit post Trane guys. Him, Lineman, some think Lovano...but the 1st 2 really! He was giving the man his dues
michel Brecker tremendo saxo pero escuchas un solo y los escuchaste todos !! solo en el cd Infinity de Mcoy Tyner trio se luce en algunos temas bajo la influencia del terrible trio con avery Sharpe y Aaron Scott
Lots of complaints about the sound engineer. Here's the truth though. Sax players need to show up to the gig with the right gear. If you can't stay focused on playing into the mic at a reasonable distance that's not the sound engineers problem. I'm a bassist, I have my bass, two pickups, a mic attached to the bass, an amp and a pedal board to adjust volume between arco and pizz and to mute the bass while I tune. I control my sound. I work with people who show up to gigs with just their instrument and they always complain about the sound. It is because they don't have the gear, they are at fault, not the sound engineer. I joke with sound engineers about this. They have also helped me set up my gear and give me advice about improving things, because I always ask them. They are a great source of knowledge, but they can only work with what they've got.
Those commenting on live sound mix are ignorant. I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society. I've done a LOT mixing live sound for recording and broadcast, and while this mix is not PERFECT, it's damn good, and I'd be happy to put my name on it if it was mine.
@@gingerminger1728 Listen longer than 30 seconds, and note that Ravi's mic technique is not all that great. Note how Michael is far more disciplined in that regard. And I suspect this may have been the first tune of the set, and the mixer is getting the mix together. Also, it appears that Michael had a far stronger sound than Ravi, at least then.
This recording is maddening (aside from MB) - the drummer and bass player are totally out of sync, and the bass player is rushing. As has been said, the sound was poor as well.
Not quite. McCoy Tyner was sloppy and rushing, Roy Haynes was kinda dragging but also because he couldn’t play that fast anymore. You really have to give props to Christian McBride for at least trying to glue everyone together. At the same time, the whole band was confused because McCoy Tyner apparently was attempting to play his own arrangement of Moment’s Notice.
breckers sound is harsh it has no sweet notes Ravi's does ..and sounds so much better for it...... you have to balance off outside playing with consonant sweet playing .Breckers doesn't want to do it or he just can't play sweet...at the end of the day it's light and shade ..harsh and sweet..the contrast makes the solo so much more powerful
I don't know what everyone else heard but I heard a lot of playing inside as well. His phrasing is quite unique in the way he creates and releases tension. Brecker is an acquired taste, but as soon as it clicks, it clicks.
That was quite painful to watch and listen to in the beginning. You need a trumpet or flugelhorn and/or a trombone in order for the opening melody to sound good on this song. Two tenor saxes only? Seriously?
TheHighTower I think it works perfectly fine. Sonny Rollins and John Coltrane did it and it was amazing! Your ears are probably not in this realm of jazz yet
It would work fine if both sax players would nail playing the head. Unfortunately Ravi Coltrane is too far away from the mic and he misses also the beginning notes. I think they are just jamming this tune here without rehearsing.
Just imagine you have the world’s best Jazz Musicians on the stage and it sounds like the microphones are made by fisher Price toys
Fire that sound engineer
Por favor, el peor sonidista de la historia. El saxo de ravi ni se escuchaba. bajó el piano de mccoy mientras acompañaba. El ride no casi no se escucha.
who the hell was the sound engineer? Homer Simpson?
Ludwig Sandström young coltrane should invest in a bell mike
I died laughing at this
lol
Ludwig Sandström Good joke !
For real! A deaf man with no hearing aid at the mixing board!
Who is the sound man at these Newport festivals? Jesus Christ!
Mccoy Tyner has accidentally skipped two bars comping Mike's second chorus at 2:38.
Something really interesting happens here, Mike is first right but then realizes almost immediately the mistake and re-syncs with the piano, basically at the same time once that is established Christian McBride follows them but Roy Haynes is keeping the original form until some moments after the second half of that chorus hits so everybody then comes back together again.
The lessons from this are two in my opinion:
1) Doing mistakes is human and being a great pro means having good ears and being able to react with whatever new situation being flexible. In this cause Mike has so much the sound of the tune's chord progression in the head that going back in track is almost automatic.
2) Timing in jazz is the most important thing, and here the musicians are so solid that even though the harmonic form got twisted the whole thing did not collapse.
great insight! how do you develop such ears?
well done Tomasso - nailed it. Woe i have never seen such a thing before. .
Not quite. McCoy actually has his own arrangement of Moment’s Notice, doing the original intro twice as long, using the original hits, and purposefully cutting the two measures before the pedal, and pedals all the way through the top of the form, except to signal end of head/solo he goes to Emaj7. That was most probably why he kept cutting those two measures (not just once) and during Brecker’s solo he realized what was happening but ended up adding two measures, hitting Emaj7 when the whole band hit the top of the form, and somehow finagled back to the form.
Daniel Ju keep playing ..then keep playing..then keep playing ..forever
Aidan Doyle 😂😂this sums up so much for me j like it’s jazz they’re j playing 😂😂😂I cant explain how funny and truthful your comment is
This performance proves that they are people and not demi-gods. Except McCoy, he might actually be a demi-god.
he's a demi-god for sure
For not being dead at 152 years old ?
along with Roy Haynes.
i actually think this is pretty exciting music. they're barely keeping it together. feels like it could fall apart at a moment's notice.
naomi os Akal
I
@MrAlexdoesmovies wtf are you talking about
Lol
How a sound engineer can destroy the performance of the best musicians ... They do not hear themselves on stage. In these conditions, it's a real feat to continue to play! It's not a question of saying "they are as human and not demi-gods", obviously they are, but they are not responsible for what happens in the monitors. Look at Mc Coy at 6'17 ", he can't believe his ears! Shame on the sound engineer!
I think you're right, Michael. Watching this thing it's hard to believe this guys can perform this piece so poorly, especially with the level they're at you never hear musicians like this randomly losing each other's time like this... Pretty sure they monitors are screwed and they can't hear a thing the others are doing, else it's pretty embarassing...
Doesn't help that neither of the horns are close enough to the mics to pick up without destroying the audience's ears with feedback. Also McCoy's face is not dire by any means at 6'17". He and McBride are BEAMING at eachother. Stay in your lane lmao
Despite all the other problems, I love the way they captured Brecker's sound on this recording. It's very pure sounding compared to some of his other recordings.
From what I could hear of Ravi, he crushed it.
GET THAT SAX IN THE MIX!!!
Oh, how I adore this musical fraternity especially the pairing of Ravi Coltrane with his father's idol Michael Brecker - himself an inspiration to Ravi Coltrane!
And, oh yes, John Coltrane lives!
And, yes, so does Michael Brecker!
Ravi and his big brother!
So emotional, my listening to John Coltrane through the media of Mike and Ravi!
Wait brecker was an idol to Coltrane?
@@LifersprinterI need a source on this
I know all these guys are legends but it was rough lol. Having experienced this on stage several times I can share this.....when the sound is bad and you can't hear each other, it's impossible to really sync and it creates this panic in your mind and each player starts to play different time. Screws everything up lol.
Also sounds like they were playing variations of the arrangement as far as playing those hits on the head. Piano and drums were playing 2 different swings while bass was trying to hold them together. When all else fails follow McBride lol! He won't lead you to a bad feel. All in all, it happens even to the best players. Sound sucked and everyone approached it differently, causing a slight trainwreck.
This is the beauty of jazz improvisation of the structure is not an exact science. The constant evolution of playing through the changes creatively regardless of the elements. That’s the skill required to play at this level. It could be in a night club or at Newport. Listen and enjoy!
THANKS.
Dayuuuum wtf was the sound guy? And why Ravi standing so far away the mic.
They were parallel to each other... Same mic spacing ...
Both Michael and Ravi are standing basically same distance from their mics but idk why Ravi just sounds so far away
I realize that Ravi is moving a lot more in and out the mic space as to Michael, u can hear at the end of Michael first phrase that it got silent quick cuz he moved away
still love this music!!
7:28 : when you have a II V in C to play on the bass, thanks to the open strings to do whatever you want with your left hand...
Antoine Brochot I’m a cello player and I always do stuff like that when my left hand is free
4:02 woooo🔥
what a band
at the top of the form mccoy was trying to play the intro but the band played the head lol.
wow!! What a band !!
I don't know what the sax mics are but either one of them was turned off or one was in the wrong mode. Ravi's sax sounds likes it's across a hallway.
Awesome
Wow, what a dodgy entrance, Actually, most of it was a bit of a mess. (Damn Christian McBride is rock solid though!) It's great to see that such giants are fallible like the rest of us. They don't sweat it, nobody got hurt, they smile and move on.
Does white sax have the dizzy gillispejr desease
Actually yes... that's why he switched mouthpieces...he had throat surgery and had to wear a scarf for some time
Can someone exactly explain what is going on ?
Learning 4 jazz band wish me luck
0:22 bruh my left speaker exploded. wth sound engineer!
Who was the sound man ? Stewart Lee ?
Just an amateur's observation here, but it seems the way Roy Haynes is spacing the swing is too loose or spread out for the flow. Kind of gives the tempo a weird undertow or something. Al Foster swings it tighter when he plays with Tyner in their Coltrane tribute recorded at The Village Vanguard, and that band also plays it maybe 20 bpms faster.
They can't hear. They all seem to be playing in an ambiguous way to give more options to where 1 can be interpreted
Yeah... the legend is getting old and less sharp unfortunately 😪
@henryrugg4971 anyway I 'm earing big old musicians. That's all
Was ravi ever up there with his dad
No , dad die when Ravi was 2 years old.
0:15 thought the lead sax player started in the wrong key for a sec
He’s playing on the same stage his father and pharaoh sanders played on
yeah mcbride
6:12
2:34
One can assume that the race card was pulled with the mic situation... Passed the politics, they were On!!!
McCoy Tyner didn't break the form that's how he plays it
Oscar the Grouch on sound?
...so we're just gonna ignore that a COLTRANE is on stage?
You mean Brecker?
Rafa .G the other sax player is John Coltrane’s son
@@duetchops3768 He knows. Brecker was one of the legit post Trane guys. Him, Lineman, some think Lovano...but the 1st 2 really!
He was giving the man his dues
Blow in the mic MAN WILL YOU I WANNA HEAR YA
Why is ravi's mic not working?
That's not the mic man, ravi is not working
João Pedro Almeida no it’s the sound engineer dude
michel Brecker tremendo saxo pero escuchas un solo y los escuchaste todos !! solo en el cd Infinity de Mcoy Tyner trio se luce en algunos temas bajo la influencia del terrible trio con avery Sharpe y Aaron Scott
Don’t look like mike is playing his main horn looks so shiny.
No that's his main horn because it has the low Bb extension and the silver neck. I think it's because he had it cleaned so frequently.
She killed it . I really love the song someone can give me the title and the name of the singer please . Wowww
What’s wrong with the sound
Sound engineer fricked up
Lots of complaints about the sound engineer. Here's the truth though.
Sax players need to show up to the gig with the right gear. If you can't stay focused on playing into the mic at a reasonable distance that's not the sound engineers problem.
I'm a bassist, I have my bass, two pickups, a mic attached to the bass, an amp and a pedal board to adjust volume between arco and pizz and to mute the bass while I tune. I control my sound. I work with people who show up to gigs with just their instrument and they always complain about the sound. It is because they don't have the gear, they are at fault, not the sound engineer.
I joke with sound engineers about this. They have also helped me set up my gear and give me advice about improving things, because I always ask them. They are a great source of knowledge, but they can only work with what they've got.
ok Professor. Sounds like you have right gear and the masters don't. Good for you professor. Go for it.
@@jaehyuncho6445 Touche!
So you’re making the case that expecting the sound engineer to engineer a good sound is too much to ask.
Bet you were the sound engineer for this show
Good players, bad performance....
Pablo Castillo and Bad Audio. Michael Brecker is one of the best Saxophonists of this time.. don’t know what is happening
@@gaby2759 I mean McCoy Tyner is shitting all over the tune aswell like wtf
改めてブレッカーのソロの凄さを実感
Raviと雲泥の差だぜ
Those commenting on live sound mix are ignorant. I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society. I've done a LOT mixing live sound for recording and broadcast, and while this mix is not PERFECT, it's damn good, and I'd be happy to put my name on it if it was mine.
r u crazy ravi’s mic and sound is pretty much non existent
@@gingerminger1728 Listen longer than 30 seconds, and note that Ravi's mic technique is not all that great. Note how Michael is far more disciplined in that regard. And I suspect this may have been the first tune of the set, and the mixer is getting the mix together. Also, it appears that Michael had a far stronger sound than Ravi, at least then.
Ouch
Ravi needs a bell Mike lol.
Take it away Michael.
poor ravi
Jesus christian...
This might be the most embarrassing performance ever put onto youtube. So many things wrong here.
This recording is maddening (aside from MB) - the drummer and bass player are totally out of sync, and the bass player is rushing. As has been said, the sound was poor as well.
well Moments Notice was the first song of the set and Ravi looked late.
Not quite. McCoy Tyner was sloppy and rushing, Roy Haynes was kinda dragging but also because he couldn’t play that fast anymore. You really have to give props to Christian McBride for at least trying to glue everyone together. At the same time, the whole band was confused because McCoy Tyner apparently was attempting to play his own arrangement of Moment’s Notice.
Christian McBride wasn’t rushing at all
breckers sound is harsh it has no sweet notes Ravi's does ..and sounds so much better for it...... you have to balance off outside playing with consonant sweet playing .Breckers doesn't want to do it or he just can't play sweet...at the end of the day it's light and shade ..harsh and sweet..the contrast makes the solo so much more powerful
I don't know what everyone else heard but I heard a lot of playing inside as well. His phrasing is quite unique in the way he creates and releases tension. Brecker is an acquired taste, but as soon as it clicks, it clicks.
this is an embarrassment in every way. Take this video down. Are you kidding
Yikes that was rough...
Dafuq is McBride wearing?
dafuq he wants, obviously...
Dashiki, african shirt
That was quite painful to watch and listen to in the beginning. You need a trumpet or flugelhorn and/or a trombone in order for the opening melody to sound good on this song. Two tenor saxes only? Seriously?
TheHighTower I think it works perfectly fine. Sonny Rollins and John Coltrane did it and it was amazing! Your ears are probably not in this realm of jazz yet
It would work fine if both sax players would nail playing the head. Unfortunately Ravi Coltrane is too far away from the mic and he misses also the beginning notes. I think they are just jamming this tune here without rehearsing.
Ehhhhhh, pretty damn BORING!
Fire that sound engineer