Frieren episode 7 reaction and commentary: Like a Fairy Tale
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- The Frieren reaction and commentary series continues with episode 7, Like a Fairy Tale
In Frieren episode 7, Like a Fairy Tale, pro-level human diplomatic tactics include lateness, screaming, weeping.
Frieren Synopsis: Do you know who the real enemy is? (but it's demons)
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It's funny how a subversion of a trope like "Demons are Evil" can become so common that playing it straight becomes unexpected.
The best equivalent to the relationship between humans and demons I can think of is that of a hunter with a deer call.
There is no actual communication, just an understanding of how to make them lower their guard.
The demon child only wanted to do the replacement child thing, so the parents will stop hating her and therefore, she won't be killed eventually. As soon as she realized they hates her more now, she went "Oh I will take this child hostage then"
Thinking you're doing good isn't a defense against doing evil, it's an alternative road paving method.
she activated the skyrim guards LMAO
😂😂😂
One thing I think is worth noting is that Lügner and his lackeys seem to have a very different idea of The True Nature Of Demons™ compared to the little demon girl. Lügner and his people are Aura's right hand men, so we can assume they're demons who've earned a lot of power and status from being good at lying and good at killing, so they're understandably proud of being bloodthirsty liars.
The little demon girl (who seems pretty low on the demonic social ladder, and who probably hasn't learned to associate deception and murder with her worth in the world) is all in all pretty honest with Frieren and the townspeople, and she doesn't even really try to lie to them. She even tries to make reparations with the grieving mother, which is something she wouldn't have to do if her plan was to run away or kill all the townsfolk. As far as I can tell, she legitimately wanted to feel safe in that town, and thought she had a real shot at cohabiting with the people who lived there, if only she could make up with the mother.
If the girl demon looked like Qual the mayor never would have suggested that living situation.
That's one of these parts in the story where the German dub is unintentionally funny since all the names are just unaltered (mostly) common German words. Like, Lügner is just the German word for liar. The guy is straight up called liar and belongs to a species known for deception... yeah, I'd trust that guy.
I was waiting for you to get to the demons 😂 aren't they fun? I love bad guys just being bad like yes thank you 😂 word twisting demons 😂 very true to life
I’ll be vague here: Later on, ( not on this season) there will be a very interesting relationship between a demon and a human without braking the rules of demons inherent, irredeemable nature.
Many character and place names derived from German. A standard fiction writing technique is that foreign language names give an exotic feel in the native language (in this case Japanese). "Graf" == noble title Count.
Let in the bear, you say? "CAN I PET DAT DOG"
Currently in the hospital, then I saw this uploaded. Ty for making my day a little better
I completely get where you’re coming from on the demon topic. I feel the same way tbh.
The show wants to portray demons as solely bad/evil but there is a bit of nuance to it. They don’t follow our way of thinking and seem to lack critical emotions for understand humans, which makes cohabitating impossible but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be eradicated. In many of the demon cases however, there is no excuse and they are just brutally evil, but that scenario with the child left an impression that maybe if there wasn’t already this inherited war between humans and demons, maybe they could have found a way to leave one another be. After all, the demon girl went without killing people for presumably a decent amount of time, and only killed someone as a means of trying to establish peace.
I get what the show is trying to do, and overall it’s best to just recognize that demons are bad, but this did resonate a bit with me
I think the issue lies in assuming their human form means more than it does, despite looking human the show makes it very clear they are simply predators whose prey is humans, it’s not just a lack of emotion they are literally an entirely separate form of sentient existence.
@@scriptos9698 The predators thing is tricky too. Speaking of bears, they will and do kill humans but... then you see those videos, mostly from Russia I imagine, of shirtless dudes having a great time with their bear pets
Next two episodes are possibly some of the best written and animated, not just of this series, but of the entire year in anime.
I just came here to point out that Lord Lugner's VA is Sukuna's VA. It drove me crazy the first time I saw the episode cause I wasnt able to remember where did I hear his voice.
I was really excited to see your reaction to this episode and, in particular, the section regarding demons and whether they are irredeemably evil. I've seen a lot of people just giddily jump onto the "demons are objectively evil" train and use that as an excuse to revel in their destruction and it always makes me think of situations where it is applied to other groups of humans. It specifically reminds me of a lot of the stuff gong on in season 4 of AOT.
I think you are getting a little too caught up in the fantasy races have to be allegorical for real life races like AOT does. That is clearly not a direct parallel to Nazi Germany but it is supposed to be reminiscent of real events.
Frieren's demons on the other hand are a representation of monsters that call out your name or sing or cry for help to lure you into a trap like sirens, wendigos, mindflayers or even that monster that used dead relatives to trick people in episode 5. Demons are by their very nature sociopaths, shown by the little girl who ended up that way despite not being taught, so trying to use them as an allegory for Jewish or black people loops around from being against descrimination to seeming quite backwards. That's not to say they can't do something interesting with the demons later on, sociopaths and psychopaths are not inheritantly villainous but let's not claim that they are in anyway representing of marginalised groups throughout history (unless that marginalised group is sociopaths)
@@elmatador2139 According to Frieren, who has been socialized since she was a child to hate demonkind.
My point is that real cultures like Nazi Germany have, throughout history, used your second paragraph to describe other groups of people to justify their othering of them. The demons who are subhuman and categorically can't be trusted aren't representative of real groups of people, but they're absolutely representative of what bigots have said about them.
Essentially I would just point out that that if you replace the word "demon" with "Jewish" in your second paragraph you'd have a pretty much one-to-one recreation of Nazi rhetoric. And I'd ask what makes you so certain that you're not falling into the same logical trap.
I would be shocked if the show doesn't turn around and confront Frieren with the fact that she's literally being racist at some point in the future. Because its demonstrated multiple times already that it's willing to subvert standard fantasy traditions in that way. Himmel didn't pull the sword out of the stone, and the demons are almost certainly not actually pure evil.
Parallel magic systems. Priests and mages each have access to a magic system having little overlap with the other. Priestly magic requires possession of a Holy Scripture book and includes topics of healing and curses.
Demon arc let's gooooo!!! 🔥🔥
Graf is not a name, it's the "count" title in German.
I think people misunderstand the child demon scene, it isn’t trying to say that the child demon thought she was doing the right thing and didn’t understand, she simply recognised the village wasn’t trusting her and yet was keeping her around. Her failure to understand human emotions led her to think this was the best way to deceive the village into trusting her, and thus allowing her to gain their trust and eventually take all of them. This is also the only reasonable option given what we already know about demons and information that comes later on, otherwise it’s a plot hole in how demons work in Frieren.
Interesting
She felt animosities coming from the villager and was afraid that she will eventually be slain if she doesn't get another child as replacement for the one she ate. That's all
Great reaction 😁
The demon girl's case is unconvincing for me too, I don't know if it is on purpose or bad writing.
Alex... they are called "DEMON'S".
They are bad! Lmfao. Demon's are bad! Objectively!
yeah they're objectively evil. the question is if they're objectively malicious. obviously, most demons we've seen are, they're warriors with a thirst for blood lol but that demon child's reasoning for killing the village chief had a hint of "justice" behind it; i took something from you, so to amend this relationship, i should try to replace it. you can strangely follow the logic behind that, yet it's still alien and unreasonable when put in context with the actions that are taken. in fact, that's what makes the demon child so much more terrifying to me than the other demons; Lugner is a liar (it's literally what his name translates to). That's a very common and understandable evil. The evil the child represents is one that seems capable of doing the right thing, possibly even some small desire to make right with those they've wronged (even if it's solely for self preservation), but still presents a serious danger due to simply... not getting the logic behind human morality. they don't actively SEEK to destroy, but they have no qualms about doing so, should that prove to make the most sense in their completely foreign frame of reference
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That's a really childish way of looking at it
@@christianhowell3140they're not malicious. That's the whole point. They are unable to understand the concept of malice
@@vanitasastra It's on-brand.
As in, the very conceptional origin of demons as a hypothetical, mythical or fictional being is for them to be evil entities.
Modern stories have moved away from that, due to their dislike of implying the existence of inherent evil, but if we're talking about how demons are meant to be characterized, what Frieren does works.
I really love this anime's depiction of demons, they're evil that's that. Sometimes things or people really are just that, and you need to vanquish that evil. No empathetic angle just demons.
Demons in this world are supposed to be total sociopaths. No empathy, no humanity. They simply do not understand human emotion, but they will use it. The demon girl doesn't understand why the word mom is important, but it somehow magically stops people from hurting her. So they're not evil; they don't understand the concept of evil. In the same way a predator that eats prey isn't evil.
They are not evil. They just torment and/or kill every living things around them, just like how humans are to animals
I’m glad you had such a healthy skepticism towards the inherent evil nature of demons. (A healthy mindset to have in general!) That situation with the girl just left me feeling more uncomfortable than anything, and as the show gets Into later, Frieren is very biased. I don’t want the show to do a “demons are good actually!” (Im not against an evil fantasy species, it’s actually kind of refreshing) But I do hope and imagine that more complexities will arise in the future that muddy the waters. Just as there are sociopathic humans can there not be empathetic demons, if rare? Curious where the story is going with this because I bet we aren’t done yet.
The best arc in the manga goes heavily into the demons dynamic with humanity
Lügner is german for Liar
This is just an introduction to demons. Unfortunately that is all you'll get this season. But they get more into the demons ans their philosophy in season 2
I don't think the Demons can be blamed, they're just animals, afterall. we don't think of the lion as evil when it eats us, for it is but an animal, it's programmed to be the predator to our prey. in the same fashion, you can feel bad for the necessity of killing a lion to protect yourself in such a situation. the same goes for demons. it's not about malice, it's about their nature.
I do love the way mediums like frieren have strayed away from the fact that demons are irrationally evil beacuse theyre demons
The take this show takes, that these demons by nature are evil purley by design of their species, wild animals with capabilities of human speech for purposes of manipulation, but are not inherently "malicious"
Even when lord lügner is talking about razing the village its stated as a simple matter of fact as per his orders rather then from any perverse joy of slaughter
nice
i left like two comments yesterday, but i dont see them. did youtube eat them, or are they just flagged by youtube because of some keyword I said without noticing?
You might be right, I got notifications for comments that disappeared when I went to read
@@AGoodwinTV damn lol. if there's a way to check for comments clogged by youtube, now may be the time.
Okay well your second comment disappeared too but I saw it.
I went to check comments held for review and there was nothing.
Then I checked notifications to come back to your comment and saw a notification from YT:
"Known issue: missing comments on UA-cam."
So that explains it
@@AGoodwinTV wack lol. ty for checking!
Same thing happened to me, and then the next day it posted my comment like seven times
Alright buddy where are the invincible reactions
"I wonder what life is like without those instincts?"
aroace people: "you wouldn't believe what I'm about to tell you."
With the extra information we learned in this episode about what demons are like in this setting, it’s especially interesting to reflect on how comparatively friendly Frieren was with Quaal, one of the seven Sages of Destruction. I think Quaal was a rare sort of demon that had no patience for deception, and preferred direct, overwhelming force. I think Frieren respects that sort of honesty, even if it’s coming from one of her mortal enemies.
One thing I find hilarious about this show is that the demons are enemies but also colleagues
Qual was not one of the Seven Sages of Destruction, he was the Sage of Corruption
Graf Granat's name isn't Graf Granat, graf is actually a title of germanic nobility, roughly corresponding to english title Count.
Looking forward to the next few episodes 💯
"Bears of not capable of society annihilating magic.....YET."
Alex and I clearly move in different druidic circles.
It's been awhile since I've watched your channel (last time was either Chainsaw Man or MHA), but Frieren was on my radar already so I've been watching it slowly the last couple nights, along with your reactions and damn you have not run out of yap to yap lol. It's a good thing.
It's crazy how a couple minutes into the demons proper introduction here they just point blank TELL you straight from the mouth of one of them that they're just irredeemably evil, and yet it's still so easy to fall into the trap of their words even as a viewer. I fell hook line and sinker for the father bit and I feel pretty embarassed about it lol. You sound like you're probably gonna hold out on it longer but after just this episode I'm 100% with Frieren, sorry to that single theoretical good demon I guess lol. But I think the concept of these demons is really cool, it's probably something borrowed from some real myths if I had to guess. I wonder how the show would feel without them showing us the demons private conversations, but the explicitness of their evil is surprisingly fresh to me cuz nowadays everyones villain is sympathetic lol, so I dig it.
It took... Is taking me a while. I'm 99% of the way there 👀
just to be clear: demons in this show are all pure evil, because they all are just predators who eat humans.
I wouldn't call a creature evil for eating its prey.
Does following their nature make them evil?
@@andrewdoughty5449 it does when their prey are truly sapient. it's one of the (many) reasons canabalism is taboo. And demons understand that humans are sapient and thinking and feeling on a level that exceeds or at least matches their own. it's why i wouldn't say the titans in aot are necessarily evil (other than the atrocities commmited by basically every shifter except ymir the younger). they don't have the logical or emotional capacity for sapient thoughts.
Great reaction my friend!