Dry Bag & Stuff Sacks - Whats The Lightest? | A Guide to Rucksack Liners Dry Bags and Stuff Sacks
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2020
- Outdoors Inspiration, Shamus McCaffery, shares his views on the type and construction of dry bags, stuff sacks and rucksack liners that he has used over the years and describes the many and varied uses of everyday waterproof bags that can be found around the house. He announces the winner of the MSR Pocket Rocket 2 giveaway draw. Shamus announces this on Dartmoor with his ever faithful wild camping companion, Petra the German Shepherd.
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"What d'ya mean not Gucci enough?" That absolutely cracked me up 🤣🤣
That was the point Shamus revealed his British Military background.
I reckon Seamus does more walking around supermarkets that in the outdoors 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Another quality video 📹 👌
More liners than Cunard.
Fertilizer bags all the way. Makes a scrutineer chuckle!
Did I mention that I'm a scrutineer? 👍😂👍
Love the phone call section of the video, another great informative video🤙
Thanks, it always tickles me 😂
Excellent and really interesting Shamus
Thank you John 😊👍🐶
Lmao it's so true, I hiked for an entire week through some pretty much constant super heavy downpours using nothing but bin liners and ziploc freezer bags in my pack. No need to buy expensive designer liners or some rubber monstrosity used on North Sea oil rigs. If you're worried about a puncture I am pretty sure your hiking kit has some waterproof tape in it or just carry a second spare liner for when you really do a bad tear.
Rubble sacks are another option, closer in durability to the fertilizer sack but don't need cleaning out.
Absolutely - They never seem long enough for bigger sacks though. But a rubble sack is pretty durable and can last several seasons 👍
I use rubble sacks but agree that they are shorter than I would like. I overcome this by distributing my equiment over 2 or 3 rubble sacks making sure not to over fill them so I can tie the open end off to reduce the chance of water getting in.
@@chrisgreen8916 Thats the only draw back (length) but it seems you've overcome it :) Some of the tougher black bin bags are quite heavy duty, but nothing like that of rubble sack 👍
Great video as usual for a Thursday night. I use a bin bag. Always have since army days for river crossings 😂😂😂
Thank you, David 😊
I was given a secondhand expedition drybag in 2007 as a first aid kit. I use it today to hold kit at my forest school. Absolutely bomb proof.
I've got an American friend who gives me Ziploc freezer bags - cheap, durable and waterproof, although the largest size available is only approx. 7.5L - easily enough for food, fire starting kit or a pair of thermals.
They really do a good job 👍😊🐶
Congratulations to the winner keep doing what your doing great channel atvb jimmy 😎😎
Thanks, Jimmy - thank you very much indeed 😊
Excellent bit of ‘Up Cycling’ Shamus! Although I’ve now ‘upgraded’ to dry sacks the Bin Liner idea was rammed into us as DofE participants some 40 odd years ago and as explained it still holds true today. Being ex-military you will remember the concept that if you found yourself in a pretty sticky survival situation where you had lost most of your kit you take the bin liner make a hole for your head and two for your arms and actually wear it as a waterproof jacket 😂 It works! Anyway, brilliant no nonsense explanations and ideas as always. Keep the videos coming! ATVB Graham
We can't be feeding the 'retail machine' all the time can we... 👍
Sounds like a similar evolution to me: bin bags as a kid but they were rubbish 😬 kept tearing, I then started using the old emergency orange survival bag, much stronger like a rubble sack and I was carrying it anyway so a bit of double duty. It was ok but eventually got holes in it and it was noisy especially early morning starts in bunkhouses. Plus, if you did need to use it in an emergency you had to dump out all your kit. I upgraded to an Ortlieb bag, absolutely bomb proof, designed for rough handling on boats and canoes but a bit bulky and heavy. I now have a few colour coded bags which are lighter and more versatile rather than one big rucksack liner. I can use them in a day sack or larger pack whereas as 60l liner is a pain in a 25l day sack. Plus if one is damaged and leaks only the items inside get wet not everything else, plus it makes thing easier to find especially in the dark if they have different textures. I absolutely loathe rain covers on packs, they don’t keep the bag dry - there’s a huge gap where the pack touches your back, they flap in the wind and blow away if they’re not attached to your back and just make it a faff to get things out of pack and side pockets. I try and keep away from single use plastics like sandwich bags etc I prefer reusable items that last a lot longer plus when I’m out and about I see more discarded plastic bags lying around than dry bags. I know correlation doesn’t imply causation but....
Absolutely. And in respect of rucksack covers... No I'm not a fan either 😊🐶
I sort of agree with the sentiment and have gone through the same sort of evolution (most people of a certain age have😂) However, although I don’t use rain covers they certainly have a place in the running. I would have a guess that any sack, not specifically “waterproof “ is made of material that over a short period of time will absorb the rain water. Ok the gear in the sack will still be dry but the overall weight of the pack has probably gone up by 3lbs and that will have a big affect on a juvenile or old (like me!!) frame. Kind regards from Clive in deepest Dorset 👍
@@clivenewton7609 fair point but my pack is nylon Robic so although not “waterproof” (no taped seams) it doesn’t absorb water except for a tiny bit of padding on the shoulders perhaps.
Great video Shamus! Glad to see I'm doing something right, you featured my faithful Morrison freezer bag😂👏 nice to see you acknowledge that gear doesn't need to cost a bomb.
Nice one, Dan - Morrison's are pretty tough too aren't they. Thanks, buddy 👍
Hi Shamus, Thank you for another great informative video. I'm really enjoying your channel, very honest and practical advice, your experience shines through in a sincere and humble way it's refreshing.
I don't have any experience making videos! (Just watching them :-) but I can appreciate the work you put in to produce the quality presentations that we get to enjoy.
Congratulations to Pitkin03 on winning.
Kind regards and best wishes from Ireland.
Tony.
Thank you, I really do appreciate that - It's nice to know the result is there - it's tough to gauge your own 'stuff' - Thanks again 😊
Dot know if you've done one, but a video about phone cases/bags would be good. Personally, having trashed three waterproof cases in a year I've gone back to bags. One has a sealing clip at on end, about £12, Wellhouse (?), and the other - a bit neater for smaller pockets, is a ziploc Lifeventure from a pack of three for £8. I prefer the cheap one, its easier to use the phone.
Good call, but I never use them. I wrap the phone in a small poly bag and shove it in my pocket.
I miss your videos Shamus and Petra, are you still about? 🙂
Still here 😊 Life got in the way for a mo’. Currently relocating, back shortly from Wales 🐶👍🏴
Congratulations to the winner..... another awesome video.
Nice one, Steve 😀
Another great video, thanks buddy!!
Thank you, Greg - Very much appreciated 👍
Well done pitkin enjoy your msr I’ve got one very pleased with it ,thanks shamus brilliant tips yet again
Nice one, Tim - Thank you 👍
Congrats to the winner.I use bin bags,peddlebin bagsfor smaller packs.With zip bags,marker pen to write the contents,easier to find,what your looking for.
Great tip there, Keith, on marking up contents 👍
Love your work Shamus!
Interested if you ever met Brian Carter?
Name rings a bell, but I don't think so...
Thank you, that is very much appreciated 😊
First time watching! Really enjoyed your video and the way the information was presented!
I hit that like button and the subscribe one and look forward to seeing more.
Thanks!!
Thank you, I really appreciate that 😊
Hi Seamus. I'm going through your back catalogue of UA-cam videos and happened on this one today. I like the idea of having certain items in certain coloured bags so that you have a mental imprint of the contents. A bit like, I always know in which trouser pocket it my wallet or keys are going to etc. I Look forward to more in 2021. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. atb for the season. Trev.
Hi Trev, thank you 😊 Now that's. exactly how I sort the contents of my pockets too - systemising is a very structured way of doing things that suits many people - all the best, Shamus 😊🐶👍
Love your videos
Very precise and informative thanks
My go to bags are vacuum sealed bags, can gain an additional 30-70% space using those
Keep up your excellent videos and all the best 👍
Thank you very much 😊 I appreciate that 👍
Congratulations to the winner and your fantastic prize.. Another great production, Shamus and Petra. Well covered topic from cheap - expensive and light to heavy options. I have never used the one liner option or a rucksack cover. At the expense of a little extra weight and cost, much better I think for me to use a number of dry bags and colour code the organisation of my gear. If one bag fails then the rest of your kit is still ok as its in different bags!! I have also got small punctures in some of my dry bags despite being very careful with sharp items. So using a number of dry bags not only protects your kit from the elements but protects it from other items of kit too.. Tom
Thanks, Tom. I use both methods, not for ‘belt and braces’ but out of habit I suspect 😂 Have a great day 👍
Good one Shamus. I personally use exped and karrimor in different colours dry bags. I have the sea to summit stuff sack breathable and waterproof for my sleeping bag. 👍
Thank's Steve - I don't have any breathable sacks... Perhaps when I need to replace one 👍
I really enjoyed your Chanel keep it up 👍
Thanks, Stephen, very much appreciate 👍
Nicely put together. I tend to use a rubble sack for my pack liner. When it eventually does get a hole, I swap it out but carry on using it as a bag cover when pitched, to keep my shoes in during winter or floor to get changed on in damper times :)
ATB, Dave
Good call, Dave - That's a very good point - using it as a bag cover 👍
@@outdoorsinspiration9284 Stops the slugs leaving trails all over :P
Great in winter, boots and waterproofs inside and pack on top. Reduces the freeze on them for the morning :)
@@DaveVaughan2004 - I seem to remember doing this years ago... and somehow fallen out to the habit. I think I'll start again 👍
Ducksback Heavy duty aquaroll bag , actually bullet proof but heavy
Thanks Shamus. Another great video. Do you have any suggestions for a dry bag/compression sack to use to reduce the pack size of a winter sleeping bag? ATB.
Hi Lee, thank you 😊 - i don’t use compression sacks I’m afraid, if it’s down, my advice would be ‘don’t’ 😊 compress it my hand only into a stuff or dry sack. However, if you look for sea to summit compression sacks (Taunton Leisure do them on line) they looks to be some of the best quality 👍
I have Military Surplus Tank Bags, Bergen Liners, but still prefer the heavy duty 160 Litre bins bags because they have so many other uses too. I also reuse transparent 3 kg sized Pasta bags (dogs food) sealed with elastic bands and/or cut up old Inner Tubes so that I can visually see what kit is contained inside. Also, being food grade bags gives other options. I do have one dry/stuff 20 Litre bag which is for my sleeping bag/blanket. The only advantage for me is that these bags do allow you to be able to compress your soft kit better, but each to their own. IF using a bin bag on its own as your Rucksack liner then ensure it is large enough to roll over the top as if not and water does get in there, it will be like soaking your kit in the bath. Congratulations to the winner - I hate him already. 😉🤦♂️
Haha 😂 great advice - I’ll have a look at pasta bags for dog food. It’s very easy to get swept away with consumerism - the ‘stuff sack’ is the worlds oldest design cinch bag going bag to at least Neolithic people - it’s doesn’t have to be complicated. I haven’t used ‘compression’ sacks in years now. ATB 😊👌👍
@@outdoorsinspiration9284 I buy them in Metro Cash & Carry (that would be MAKRO in the UK). They're for human consumption, but basically a catering pack. I boil up 1 Kg. of Chicken livers, 1.5 kg of Pasta Twirls and 1 kg of cheap white Rice. That'll feed my 5 dogs for 2-3 days and then, in between some cheap Kibble and a large tin of dog meat (if there is any meat in it). Mine are all Street rescue (recycled) dogs so no need for expensive Royal Canine type stuff - just too expensive for me.
I bought in 2014 two exped Down mats 7LW
They had snozzle bags. The mats went south, one within a week. I repurposed the snozzles and use them to store my clothes inside the rucksack.
PS Congratulations to the lucky winner.
Mmm, yes I have two Downmat bags, they last well... In fairness my Downmat lasted 10 years 😊
One just a week, well annoyed the other was fine, but mice 🐁 destroyed it. Insurance wouldn’t cover pest damage 👎🏻
Now got a Nemo Astro Mat
@@Yorkshiremadmick - Oh... yes, mice isn't good is it - was it the welds that went on the first one?
Outdoors Inspiration yep 👍🏻 in one week 🤬🤬🤬
@@Yorkshiremadmick Oh dear :(
Two words, rubble sacks !!!
Hi
This channel is really informative. May I ask you. The dry bags keep water out how good are the keeping water in. Sounds a bit stupid but if I put wet tarp and hammock in one would I be able to keep the rest of my kit dry. It just makes packing up easier in heavy rain.
They are generally good for what you’ve described, I certainly use them that way. 👍
@@outdoorsinspiration9284 thanks. Hope you and Petra are still enjoying your adventures . Stay safe🔥
Congrats Pitkin....... ... ... ... . I guess :D
fingers crossed for next time 🤞
Cool video although using tons of disposable plastic bags is not always great. While they can be useful for certain things, I prefer reusable items whenever possible.
Thank you, it’s a valid point really 👍😊🐶