“Ah, what do you know?” she said. “You’re a building.” “And?” the tower said. “And people fart in you. Like all the time. I bet half the people in this room are doing it right now.” "Oh, I’m fine. Just a big mess of existential crisis!" Truly peak quality prose. Especially for a fantasy series.
@@unitron2005 honestly there’s so much to be angry at Sanderson about but the ruination of Lift (and Shallan to a lesser extent) is prob top of the cake for me
Brandon Sanderson’s recent work feels like a prime example of unchecked word spew, where no one-least of all the author-has stepped in to cut the fat. Sanderson has always been overrated, but his reliance on his former editor, Moshe Feder, has never been more apparent. Without Moshe’s guidance, his pedestrian prose and bloated storytelling are laid bare. Sanderson’s grandiosity as a writer seems to prevent him from hitting the delete key, and his lack of self-awareness leads to overly indulgent, meandering narratives that should have been streamlined. What we’re left with is a novel that reads more like a first draft, where sheer volume is mistaken for quality, and any sense of discipline or restraint has vanished. It’s a disappointing display of mediocrity from a writer who has clearly started to believe his own hype.
Far too many writers, even very experienced ones, think a long book equals a good one. Scenes that neither develop the characters, nor drive the plot forward should be left out to make the pacing good. The best scenes are the ones that manage to do both.
I mean the writing is terrible and the pacing was weird. all the characters sounded the same and the humor was so cringe I just hope this isn’t another video about how “omg Renarin is gay”
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 I'm not sure if we ever even mentioned Renarin's name in this video. In general I hated the focus on relationships in this book and found Renarin's POV to be incredibly boring, but I couldn't care less if he was gay or not.
@ thanks for replying I’m listening now and I agree for the most part with you It’s sad cuz this world has so much potential and the beginning was such great epic fantasy Even Rhythm of War with its slow parts was solid good to me thanks to Venli and Navani bonding the Sibling
@@battsauce I can usually tolerate Lyft in very, very small doses, but not in this book. Especially the bit where she's lusting after all of bridge 4 when that isn't behavior we've seen from her up to that point. It's not like this book takes place years after RoW, it's literally the next day.
The book would have been better overall if the PoV's didn't switch as much. In the end the book felt more like setup for the back half of the series however I still can't get over how the characters felt like they were written by someone else. Nailed it at the start when you said the whole book felt like fanfiction.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (which many people call "Mormons") I would just like to clarify that the Cosmere's idea of godhood is about as far from the our theology as possible. Godhood is not something we can grab, or that can be obtained by breathing in some magical power.. it's not becoming the embodiment of some emotion or ideal. We believe that God is the father of our spirits, and that because God loves us, he wants to give us every blessing he can, and wants us to experience joy in this life and the next. That's why he sent Jesus Christ, to conquer death and sin, so that through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection we all will be resurrected, and if we accept Christ's help, we can change for the better no matter what and be forgiven of all our sin. Some people say our theology is "you get your own planet" but the truth is a lot closer to this: an earthly father wants his son to succeed and become all he can be. But that can't happen by keeping him at hom, he has to be able to make his own choices, and choose whether or not he'll follow his father. Similarly, we believe that God has bigger plans for us in the next life than just singing and playing harps for eternity, just as an earthly father's dream for his son isn't for him to move back in at age 30 and become his minstrel. If that makes sense. We believe family continues eternally, and that through Christ, we will be resurrected and perfected, not that there's some amorphous power that we will grab a shard of and then be gods.
I like that you assume they by default would not accept non-binary identities....as if they were all maga chuds in 2025. It's an alien planet where people cover their left hands and arrange society based on eye color. but i guess bigots always latch onto their pet issues. no matter what else is going on.
Szeth should have just died in his fight with kaladin. Unnecessary character beyond pushing kaladin to awaken his powers and the initial assassinations. Never should have had taravangian become odium. Shallan should have only ever had viel as a split personality. Kaladin should have said the 4th ideal in shadesmar. Moash should have had a redemption arc in kholinar and died saving gavinor. Cut all the therapy stuff. Jasnah shouldn’t have been built up in book 1 to just be sidelined for basically the whole series.
Another dumb thing that i never seen anybody noticed is that Dalinar might still be in next novels, because when odium went for his spirit someone else already took it before him so he might be like a kelsier in next books or other stories which would be terrible, and obviously there is also a blackthorne version of him
I agree. We spent a little bit of time talking about the ending and how bringing the "blackthorn" back felt like childish writing that belongs in something like Power Rangers.
While he's definitely a potential cognitive shadow, I got the impression that he passed on. I could totally see them going for a quasi-resurrection via Navani bondsmithing the memories of Dalinar's friends and loved ones into the Blackthorn, though. And if Sanderson takes the same approach that he did with therapy, that'll not only set the Blackthorn on a path to becoming like Book 5 Dalinar, but will immediately make him a near-perfect replica.
Really loved the book actually. But came to say I disagree about the secret project. I’m pretty sure they were all well received and loved except for the Wizards guide. Most reviewers gave them stellar views. I hope he releases way more of them.
I'm glad you and so many others enjoyed the book! As for the secret projects, I really liked Sunlit Man but overall was a bit disappointed by the others. But that's been my general thoughts for pretty much anything he's published since Oathbringer. So it's not specific to the special projects, I just haven't been liking his writing as much lately, with WaT being a substantial drop in my opinion.
I’m sure you guys will say the gay characters ruined it even tho they were in there a small amount Adolin chapters were not that great I’m praying your complaints are valid
No, we didn't talk about Renarin being gay at all. I know one of Jordan's favorite things about the book was the relationship between Renarin and Rlain.
@ ok thank God cuz I feel like the book is awful for multiple legit valid reasons but the gay romance (if you can call it that) was like not at all on the list
@@AndrewsWizardlyReads I had to take a break and read a whole different book in between each day. Almost binged all of He Who Fights with Monsters while slogging my way through WaT.
The modernization and sudden immersion into woke ideologies removed me from the story. I didn’t care about the interspecies love or the man lady, I cared that this high fantasy epic turned into a CW drama.
Part of my draw to Sanderson books was that he was clean. Now that he isn't clean and is caving to SJW crap, I'm done. As I read somewhere,in a few years you will see Brandon "coming out" and leaving the Mormon chrch.
Adolin was fire writing. too many side stories and too woke for me. then there's therapy Kalidin with his first patient sesid. Dalinar vs restibution could been better, but it was awesome.
I agree, way too much of this book felt like side stories. I think it would have been improved by cutting out half the POVs and having a more focused story. Although there are things about the ending I didn't like, it was still overall the best part of the book and it was exciting to read.
Still don’t understand the Venli hate - sounds like you guys just want white male perspectives in novels which seems ridiculous Let me guess you hate Shallan and Jasahn
We also complained about Dalinar and Kaladin's POV. It has nothing to do with the characters race, gender, species, or sexual orientation. We thought the book as a whole was bad.
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“Ah, what do you know?” she said. “You’re a building.”
“And?” the tower said.
“And people fart in you. Like all the time. I bet half the people in this room are doing it right now.”
"Oh, I’m fine. Just a big mess of existential crisis!"
Truly peak quality prose. Especially for a fantasy series.
Was that in chapter 10? Chapter 10 was like all time low
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 I was hoping it was in my nightmares.
@@unitron2005 honestly there’s so much to be angry at Sanderson about but the ruination of Lift (and Shallan to a lesser extent) is prob top of the cake for me
Brandon Sanderson’s recent work feels like a prime example of unchecked word spew, where no one-least of all the author-has stepped in to cut the fat. Sanderson has always been overrated, but his reliance on his former editor, Moshe Feder, has never been more apparent. Without Moshe’s guidance, his pedestrian prose and bloated storytelling are laid bare. Sanderson’s grandiosity as a writer seems to prevent him from hitting the delete key, and his lack of self-awareness leads to overly indulgent, meandering narratives that should have been streamlined. What we’re left with is a novel that reads more like a first draft, where sheer volume is mistaken for quality, and any sense of discipline or restraint has vanished. It’s a disappointing display of mediocrity from a writer who has clearly started to believe his own hype.
Yeah, it definitely seems to me like his team needs more creative friction and a willingness to provide and accept criticism.
I think Sanderson wanted a big book and set out to write a big book instead of writing a good story
Mission accomplished, it is a big book!
Far too many writers, even very experienced ones, think a long book equals a good one. Scenes that neither develop the characters, nor drive the plot forward should be left out to make the pacing good. The best scenes are the ones that manage to do both.
I mean the writing is terrible and the pacing was weird.
all the characters sounded the same and the humor was so cringe
I just hope this isn’t another video about how “omg Renarin is gay”
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 I'm not sure if we ever even mentioned Renarin's name in this video. In general I hated the focus on relationships in this book and found Renarin's POV to be incredibly boring, but I couldn't care less if he was gay or not.
@ thanks for replying I’m listening now and I agree for the most part with you
It’s sad cuz this world has so much potential and the beginning was such great epic fantasy
Even Rhythm of War with its slow parts was solid good to me thanks to Venli and Navani bonding the Sibling
It was like he was on a mission to butcher all of his characters
And unfortunately it was mission accomplished.
Normally, I'd wish for more Lopen content, but it may have been a blessing that he was spared being written by this Sanderson.
@@briang3598 does everyone else think Lyft is a terrible annoying character?
@@briang3598 That's a very good point! Maybe I should be happy that most bridge 4 members weren't really in this book.
@@battsauce I can usually tolerate Lyft in very, very small doses, but not in this book. Especially the bit where she's lusting after all of bridge 4 when that isn't behavior we've seen from her up to that point. It's not like this book takes place years after RoW, it's literally the next day.
The book would have been better overall if the PoV's didn't switch as much. In the end the book felt more like setup for the back half of the series however I still can't get over how the characters felt like they were written by someone else. Nailed it at the start when you said the whole book felt like fanfiction.
I 100% agree on the POV's switching too much. If it was any other author/series, I would have DNF'd this book sometime during the first 2 days.
I was so annoyed by that darn flute
Just imagine the eventual adaptation. Some strong warrior going into a battle and he plays the flute so badly that his enemy gives up.
@ 🤣
Let's kick some fused ass
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (which many people call "Mormons") I would just like to clarify that the Cosmere's idea of godhood is about as far from the our theology as possible. Godhood is not something we can grab, or that can be obtained by breathing in some magical power.. it's not becoming the embodiment of some emotion or ideal.
We believe that God is the father of our spirits, and that because God loves us, he wants to give us every blessing he can, and wants us to experience joy in this life and the next.
That's why he sent Jesus Christ, to conquer death and sin, so that through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection we all will be resurrected, and if we accept Christ's help, we can change for the better no matter what and be forgiven of all our sin.
Some people say our theology is "you get your own planet" but the truth is a lot closer to this: an earthly father wants his son to succeed and become all he can be. But that can't happen by keeping him at hom, he has to be able to make his own choices, and choose whether or not he'll follow his father. Similarly, we believe that God has bigger plans for us in the next life than just singing and playing harps for eternity, just as an earthly father's dream for his son isn't for him to move back in at age 30 and become his minstrel. If that makes sense.
We believe family continues eternally, and that through Christ, we will be resurrected and perfected, not that there's some amorphous power that we will grab a shard of and then be gods.
Put another way, I think the Cosmere's idea of gods is much more aligned with his magic system than his religious beliefs
Why are we not mentioning the use of words like “racism” and characters just accepting non-binary ideology as if they are on earth in 2020?
We ran out of time to talk about every example of everything we didn't like but some of the modern lingo definitely was kicking me out of the story.
I like that you assume they by default would not accept non-binary identities....as if they were all maga chuds in 2025.
It's an alien planet where people cover their left hands and arrange society based on eye color. but i guess bigots always latch onto their pet issues. no matter what else is going on.
@ fair :/
I started reading Empire of the Vampire after getting done with Stormlight and omfg its a breath of fresh air.
Szeth should have just died in his fight with kaladin. Unnecessary character beyond pushing kaladin to awaken his powers and the initial assassinations. Never should have had taravangian become odium. Shallan should have only ever had viel as a split personality. Kaladin should have said the 4th ideal in shadesmar. Moash should have had a redemption arc in kholinar and died saving gavinor. Cut all the therapy stuff. Jasnah shouldn’t have been built up in book 1 to just be sidelined for basically the whole series.
Another dumb thing that i never seen anybody noticed is that Dalinar might still be in next novels, because when odium went for his spirit someone else already took it before him so he might be like a kelsier in next books or other stories which would be terrible, and obviously there is also a blackthorne version of him
I agree. We spent a little bit of time talking about the ending and how bringing the "blackthorn" back felt like childish writing that belongs in something like Power Rangers.
While he's definitely a potential cognitive shadow, I got the impression that he passed on.
I could totally see them going for a quasi-resurrection via Navani bondsmithing the memories of Dalinar's friends and loved ones into the Blackthorn, though. And if Sanderson takes the same approach that he did with therapy, that'll not only set the Blackthorn on a path to becoming like Book 5 Dalinar, but will immediately make him a near-perfect replica.
Really loved the book actually. But came to say I disagree about the secret project. I’m pretty sure they were all well received and loved except for the Wizards guide. Most reviewers gave them stellar views. I hope he releases way more of them.
I'm glad you and so many others enjoyed the book! As for the secret projects, I really liked Sunlit Man but overall was a bit disappointed by the others. But that's been my general thoughts for pretty much anything he's published since Oathbringer. So it's not specific to the special projects, I just haven't been liking his writing as much lately, with WaT being a substantial drop in my opinion.
I’m sure you guys will say the gay characters ruined it even tho they were in there a small amount
Adolin chapters were not that great
I’m praying your complaints are valid
No, we didn't talk about Renarin being gay at all. I know one of Jordan's favorite things about the book was the relationship between Renarin and Rlain.
@ ok thank God cuz I feel like the book is awful for multiple legit valid reasons but the gay romance (if you can call it that) was like not at all on the list
I only made it to the end of day 4
I was wondering if you were still reading it
@@PatrickRyanBookReviews I mean I haven’t officially DNF
@@AndrewsWizardlyReads I had to take a break and read a whole different book in between each day. Almost binged all of He Who Fights with Monsters while slogging my way through WaT.
The modernization and sudden immersion into woke ideologies removed me from the story. I didn’t care about the interspecies love or the man lady, I cared that this high fantasy epic turned into a CW drama.
The first two days feeling more like anime filler than epic fantasy is what removed me from the story.
Watching back the recording
Part of my draw to Sanderson books was that he was clean. Now that he isn't clean and is caving to SJW crap, I'm done. As I read somewhere,in a few years you will see Brandon "coming out" and leaving the Mormon chrch.
Oof my audio is sooooo bad
Your old earbuds were better
I hated when Hobb filled in her history and didn’t like that Sanderson did it. Leave me some MYSTERY
Exactly! Let the part of the iceberg that’s under water stay under water!
@@PatrickRyanBookReviews I think that’s best
Glad you guys could rant about this book (I'm the one who loved the book lol)
Considering we all barely made it though the stream being so late I can't imagine you having stayed awake hahaha
@ hahaha when did y’all start recording?
@@BookishDrummer 10 PM your time lol
@ oh hell naw haha I would have been passed out 30 minutes in haha
Adolin was fire writing. too many side stories and too woke for me. then there's therapy Kalidin with his first patient sesid. Dalinar vs restibution could been better, but it was awesome.
I agree, way too much of this book felt like side stories. I think it would have been improved by cutting out half the POVs and having a more focused story.
Although there are things about the ending I didn't like, it was still overall the best part of the book and it was exciting to read.
Still don’t understand the Venli hate - sounds like you guys just want white male perspectives in novels which seems ridiculous
Let me guess you hate Shallan and Jasahn
We also complained about Dalinar and Kaladin's POV. It has nothing to do with the characters race, gender, species, or sexual orientation. We thought the book as a whole was bad.
@ it’s both hilarious and sad how I felt little to no emotion when Dalinar died or the Stormfather was destroyed
It wasn't a near perfect book like WoR... But it was still a very good book... 3 stars is awfully low....
I'm glad you enjoyed the book! But for me, 3 stars was being generous. I would have DNF'd it if it was any other author/series.