Fender Tone Master Princeton Reverb vs Tone Master Deluxe
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- (2024 EDIT: I now prefer the Princeton and play a pair of them in stereo)
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Here are the two amps, back-to-back. Clean first, then with a 1981 DRV pedal. Neunaber supplying the reverb. Yes, I'm sure you'd have done the video differently, but I have no intention of being one of those UA-cam guys. "Let me show you how to work your Axe Fx 4!" "Here's how to inappropriately touch your Helix!" There are PLENTY of those guys on here. Click that Spotify link, hit FOLLOW and then get off my lawn.
Thanks for taking the time to share this. Super dynamic playing and great to showcase the amps. I own the TMDR and I love it, but that princeton sounds great in your hands too. Good job!
That 10” speaker makes a huge difference in the clarity of the high end. The mids are more scooped, which with the SG is glorious. Sounds amazing as always, Mark!
Interesting, I hear the deluxe as being more mid scooped.
@@a.m.son222 Deluxe mid-scooped is also how I hear it .. A lot of folks mistake highs for upper mids
Beautiful playing, good sir. Thanks for an excellent demo/comparison.
Both are great sounding ‼️ Awesome demonstration 🔥🎸👍
Have to say the Princeton sounds better here, not nearly as muffled as the deluxe
I think from a marketing perspective, using a C10R ceramic speaker instead of a neodymium is a great move. I'm not sure everyone is on board with neodymium, though I think they're perfectly fine, but when placing a cab mic, you might have to move it around a bit to find the sweet spot. As for the sound, the Princeton has more highs, less lows, which should suit the darker output of the SG humbuckers compared to a single coil Fender, though a bit of EQ can usually fix that. It might be interesting to connect the 12" speaker in the Deluxe to the Princeton amp to get a real apples-to-apples comparison of how each amp is voiced, keeping in mind that amps are tweaked to match the speaker.
Congratulations, your playing is so tasteful and very unique. Thank you for demonstrating each amp, it was helpful in deciding which to get .🙏
I like the Deluxe with cleans. Sounds more like a colored amp than a blank slate like the Princeton does. Prefer the Princeton with dirt, but the Deluxe doesn’t sound bad with dirt, just a bit less pronounced.
Yes my thoughts
For what it’s worth, I think Princeton sounds better but you sound great on both
just to chime in, i like the deluxe, both clean and dirty. i think i may be in the minority! To me it colors the tone more than the Princeton, which i hear as very neutral.
The Princeton is awesome!
Love your playing! Thanks for this comparison. I’m thinking about these two. Just can’t decide if it’s a good purchase or not. Tubes have been the solid basis for over 60 years. If I buy digital it would seem Fender is the one to go with for the long run.
Nice playing!
Thanks for the comparison. I don't feel any burning need to sell my TMDR and buy a TMPR.
Nice hearing a comparison video with someone that can play!I hate to sound like a jerk
Now that Pelham Blue looks more like the vintage originals. Glad to see see Gibson's getting it closer than ever. Sounds good as usual too with you playing it Mark!
man this is an freakin epic video XD
Sounds like they did a great job on the Princeton! They sounds different but board really good. Not sure which one I prefer.
FFS Mark, amazing as always
Great playing! I just saw that you are from Memphis, me too! Question, a year later what can you say about the comparison of these models? I've been going direct for years with IEMs, but have been interested in getting something from the tonemaster line for small venues that still allow or require an on stage amp. I've got tube amps, but looking for something light and dependable, mostly a pedal platform as I like to run my amps pretty clean. I've owned tube deluxes in the past, but never owned a Princeton... Thanks again! sg
Dammit!!!! Now i have to get a 61 SG and a Tonemaster!! :):):)
Based on this, the Princeton wins ... will have to see what street price turns out to be
850
@@soofitnsexy $899.99 USD
Which of these amps would be a good platform for pedals? I only jammed at home. No more performance. Play music from metal to hard rock and sometimes to please the missus, some Eric Clapton. 😅. TIA.
The Deluxe is more versatile, particularly given its two available firmwares.
ciao, per me che suono a casa e suono blues.. quale tra i due amplificatori mostrati?.. ho anche un imperium cornerstone da inserire.. quale tra i due acquisto?
Preferisco la Deluxe per la pratica in camera da letto. Ha un amplificatore di potenza che è in grado di essere estremamente silenzioso indipendentemente dal volume della sezione modellata dell'amplificatore. Ho usato Google Translate, quindi ovviamente alcuni di questi messaggi potrebbero essere cattivi.
Preferisco la Deluxe per la pratica in camera da letto. Ha un amplificatore di potenza che è in grado di essere estremamente silenzioso indipendentemente dal volume della sezione modellata dell'amplificatore. Ho usato Google Translate, quindi ovviamente alcuni di questi messaggi potrebbero essere cattivi.
@@fffantasticboom ok grazie, farò un'ennesima valutazione trai due visto il tuo consiglio.., anche se onestamente non ho ben capito la differenza oltre al fatto che il princetown ha un cono da 10 e il deluxe mi pare da 12.. forse è solo quella?
very kool! i never liked the reverbs in the TMs ..is the princeton more relistic?? the reverb is the key for me!!
Thanks
Dude it's 2022. Pretty much any $150 reverb pedal will sound better than any reverb tank in any amp. No one uses the onboard reverbs any more. Gor yourself a Strymon Flint and use the plate reverb setting and thank me later.
@@tubingforever Are you serious? At least in my experience here with what guitar players use in the local blues scene, they all mostly use Fender tube amps with spring reverb on 2-3 (low but noticeable). That said, I've never tried a reverb pedal, and plan to do so soon, along with a delay. Strymon does both I read, but also read not the best pedal for it..?
Flint is the answer to many of the world's problems.
Question: I’m in the market for a small solid state amp to gig and for touring. Is the Princeton loud enough for bar gigs with a band? I really like the sound of the deluxe more but right now I’m using a boogie subway rocket 20. 20 watts with a 10” speaker and it’s too loud for some venues. Will the Princeton cut bigger bars alone with smaller ones?
On most gigs, I take the Deluxe TM rather than the Princeton TM. The Princeton is loud enough for some bands but not others. The Deluxe is always loud enough. I don’t think the size of the venue is that relevant since it’s always going into the PA. But hearing oneself onstage (and with the amount of cleanness/distortion you want) is easy with the Deluxe but a bit risky with the Princeton.
Deluxe all the way . Princeton sounds like a mesa
I'm sure you've played the originals or even the Re-issue tube versions of these. Care to comment on the performance, tone, presence, feeling of these Tone Masters vs the all Tube re-issues?? Do these really pass the sniff test?? Thanks, really impressive phrasing! I found myself watching the whole video at first because you demo them as I prefer (without a mic right up against them) Just loud and in an open room as If I was there, and secondly your playing! Awesome stuff. -Chris p.s. you don't happen to live around Nashville? Looking for some advanced lessons and love your style!
Thank you very much, Christopher. I’m from Memphis, but I live in Dallas now. I do lessons on Skype every week, though, and would love to have you onboard.
Before buying my Deluxe TM several years ago, I A/B’d it to the $2400 tube version. I far preferred the sound of the TM bc it wasn’t as brittle sounding when distorted. It’s so strange hearing people say “it’s not as warm as the tube version”, as if they’ve been listening through nothing but a bias. It’s the same BS people have been spouting about modelers for years. I think these sound not one bit worse than their tube counterparts.
@@fffantasticboom cool, man. thanks. How do I get in on the Skype lessons??
@@christopherparsons4642 mcuth@hotmail.com
Bollocks now I want an sg ❤️
the princeton just sounds leagues better across the board to me.
Nice video. I like the size and sound of the Princeton, but I am not sure it can keep up at a gig / drummer with 12 watts.
With the Tone Master you have an XLR direct out, so as long as the stage has monitors (I’ve only played a couple that didn’t) you’d be fine using the direct sound. The amp could even be fully silent on stage.
CAn we hear both at the same time?
Whats your Exact Gibson Sg Model? Thank you 😃🙏
It’s some custom shop one. I think it’s a 61-ish reissue. The truss rod cover says Les Paul on it, so it must be a reissue or whatever year the SG came out.
@@fffantasticboom thank you very much 😇☺️👍
I prefer the deluxe
i wonder if fender has improved the tube sound and feel as well as the reverb quality, i was using a blonde tmdr for over a year, but when i tried a quilter i realized what i was missing in feel
“A quilter”? Do you mean the Black grill version of the DR that came out first with the neodymium speaker instead of the creambacks that came in the blonde version? . There is also a firmware update involved which could further change the comparison. Although both black and blonde can be updated, the blonde came with the update installed.
@@jemandthemystery no, I mean a quilter solid state amp!
@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender Ahh, got it. I had to look them up. New to me at least.
I’ve got a quilter 50 watt combo it’s all analogue apart from the reverb. It’s a great amp with lots of feel wonderful cleans and mild distortions but it’s not a metal machine although it takes pedals really well but I can’t see it competing with the hype of the Fender TM’s which I think are just an evolution of the Fender Champ series (which are great little amps particularly when you upgrade the speaker)but with a big price tag. Marketing over substance maybe but Fender are doing very well with it!
@@ronengel4586 i have the quilter and tonemaster, the quilter sounds like an 80s solid state amp, and it doesnt like picking dynamics
where'd you get the princeton so early ?
First of all, you couldn’t have a better profile pic. Fagen is the GOAT. Second, I’ve been testing it out for them.
@@fffantasticboom sounds great man. All hail the Don!
first play is better🤓
Not sure why but the TMDR sounded muffled big time
There are two firmwares for that amp. This video features the one without the bright cap. I have a second video with the stock, bright cap firmware.
Is the blonde one with bright cap
@@kimedmond5377 if I understand correctly, the blonde comes without the bright cap firmware, but can take either firmware. I could be wrong about that. I don’t work for Fender.
@@fffantasticboom thanks
which do you prefer...? In gigging situation...
The Deluxe has never had a problem keeping up, volume-wise, with any drummer in Dallas. SOMETIMES the Princeton has.
@@fffantasticboom Thank you! Good to know...
Does the Princeton has the same bright cap mod?
Princeton Reverb doesn't have the bright cap
Do you recommend the firmware update brightcap removal on the deluxe ? Great demo
They're just different. I've gone back and forth. Right now I'm enjoying the bright cap on.