Dirk Bogarde enlisted when war broke out in England and rose to rank of Major. He was one of the first Allied officers in April 1945 to reach the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, an experience which affected him deeply for many years afterwards.
He appeared in the first film version of 'The Great Escape' which had no Americans in it. No Americans were in the camp therefore took no part in the escape.
He was an exceptionally good guest panelist and very sharply intelligent man too. I recently watched his movie with Margaret Lockwood and became his fan. Astonishingly method actor with exceptional good looks and razor sharp intellect.
Myrna Loy .......what a beautiful woman. She was beautiful in those Thin Man films in the 1930s, and just as beautiful here in 1960. I love to see her films!
When Dirk Bogarde asked the first question of Miss Loy, I believe he already knew her identity (as he said later). He was very polite when he asked if she'd been in the movie industry longer than "12 years". He could have said "30" or "35 years", and she would have had to say "Yes". He was a real gentleman.
Myrna Loy was great in The Best Years Of Our Lives, a movie many believe to be the best movie ever made. I recommend it highly. It's about 3 servicemen coming home from WWII and trying to readjust to civilian life.
wiguy3 -- Myrna Loy was a class act (to use a Johnny Carsonism) in every way. She was a native of Montana, by the way. Also, as I posted originally (and to which you responded), she was an outspoken opponent of racism, especially in the Hollywood film industry. She often asked producers why black actors and actresses were only allowed to play servants, saying things like, "Why can't we have a black actor walking up the courthouse steps as an attorney?" (She probably used the term "Negro" back in the 1940's when she said that because that was the respectful term in use in that era.) She was someone who believed in justice and doing what was right, and speaking up for those not in a position to be heard if they spoke up for themselves. Then, too, she could play a very classy sort of lady in a sophisticated comedy film, such as Nora Charles opposite William Powell as Nick Charles in "The Thin Man" series. She definitely wasn't stuck on herself and didn't think she was special because she was so well-known as a movie star -- absolutely not the kind of person who enjoyed being driven around in a limousine with a uniformed chauffeur. Like Jack Benny, she thought that every human being mattered. Truly a mensch.
Woman such as Loy, simply don't exist in Hollywood now. Glamour needs mystery and you can't have it with smart phones, cameras everywhere, constant news cycle, and last , but not least a phoney attempt at egalitarianism. A
I love Myrna Loy, her voice is so sophisticated, so sexy, imagine my surprise when I read that she had grown up on a Ranch in Montana, she started riding horses at age 3, and at her passing was buried back in Montana in the family plot.
Who is the BEST Actress who never received an Oscar nomination during the Golden Age of Hollywood???? MYRNA LOY!!!!!! (: (: (: Just adore her! (: (: (:
As noted in the comments, Myrna Loy was from Helena, Montana. Her father was a state legislator. Gary Cooper was also from the small city of Helena. His father was a state Supreme Court Justice in Montana's early days. The two were acquainted in childhood.
She was in 'The April Fools' (1969) with Charles Boyer as the older couple- Jack Lemmon and Catherine Deneuve were the others. In the year of 'Easy Rider' and tedious hippy or student-rebellion flicks, this little remembered picture is an oasis of charm and sophistication. Lemmon convinced Myrna to return to the screen after almost a decade, and she looks fabulous.
I'd never heard of Dirk Bogarde before, but I agree he was an excellent panelist! He guessed the first contestant's line quite quickly, and I think he guessed the Mystery Guest was Myrna Loy before anyone else did, but kept going for a couple of rounds, anyway.
Gay man who REFUSED to discuss his private life but did not shirk from playing a dramatic closet homosexual role long before it was done. He refused to go out with women for 'show', only if they were real friends of his. Here's to not giving a damn!
vergil arma HBC is in no position to judge anyone ever. Bogarde starred in one of the 1st movies to deal with the subject, he was an atypical star for decades, a survivor in an unforgiving industry.
Dirk Bogarde was the star of an absolute masterpiece:Death in Venith of Visconti. For that he belongs forever to the History of cinéman and more an "intellectual" actor
It is too adorable when John keeps ribbing Bennet with "Chuckles" during this episode. Thank you so much for uploading all of these. I have subscribed and look forward to watching all of these. The education and anecdotes in the comments is amazing.
IronClad292 Made her a star, after years & dozens of movies. Went on strike for star salary & pay equity with her male co-star, they were going to recast Nora Charles! Resolved, she was Queen of Hollywood by 1938, she & Powell went on to make 14 movies together. Left Hollywood during the War years to work for the Red Cross, returned to get lead billing in Best Picture classic, The Best Years of Our Lives. Myrna was always at her best.
IronClad292 She was friends with Bette Davis AND Joan Crawford! Her takedown of Christina Crawford in her memoirs is a highlight. Myrna worked with her on stage, saw it 1st hand. Thin Man is the movie that introduced me to her & you're right, it's the best, Hays Office was just getting started & they could get away with more. Martinis, not babies. Couldn't have come any where near Nick's tabloids after 1934.
This episode is a quarter century after the Thin Man series began, and just a couple of days before Myrna turned 55. How did she manage to apparently age only a few years during that period? Inner beauty manifesting itself in outer beauty is the best explanation I can come up with.
This IS "the way we were "-- a lovely country, gracous, well-mannered, well-spoken, witty, intelligent yet unpretentious. I'm nearly eighty and I remember it well. Hw and why things changed for the worse over night the way they did in the sixties, I still can't figure out. Thank God for these videos. It's all we have left if our Lost Eden.
We know why, if we think about it, @Franco Aragosta, and I am twenty years younger. We got lazy and when first signs of cultural decay appeared, good people did not stand up and fight. We also kept Senators & Congressmen in there who never fought either!
gcjerryusc and it also lies with our side who refused to fight and Rockefeller then Bush Republicans who wanted to be buds with the enemies of our country rather than FIGHT.
Tis isn't real life. This is a fantasy. Outside this CBS studio, America has a lot of problems that aren't being dealt with. The seeds of a global empire, which will wreck our democracy, have already been sown.
Note the reference in the first game on Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini, that was the number one song on Billboard the week after this episode aired.
+Lambchop47 As a native New Yorker I say, would that it were true. But Maria Fletcher of North Carolina was Miss America in 1962. Nancy Fleming of Michigan (later the wife of TV personality Jim Lange) was crowned Miss America 1961. (Susan Jane Talbert of New York won Miss Congeniality that year.) That contest was held in Atlantic City on 9/10/60. Three states (Illinois, New Jersey and New York) sent two contestants to the Miss America 1961 pageant. Sherrylyn Patecell was the other NY contestant, but neither she or Miss Talbert were in the top 10. As best I can tell, Sherrylyn was Miss New York City, while Susan Jane was Miss New York State. Sherrylyn Patecell was in the top 15 of the 1962 MIss USA competition, but the winner of that contest was Macel Wilson of Hawaii.
@@loissimmons6558 Yes, these data appear to be correct for Miss America and Miss USA that year. I looked it up as well because something about the statement struck me as inaccurate.
People fast-tracking to the mystery guest btw are missing out on the fascinating dynamics and cultural aspects of these shows. As well as that there are so many subtle and incidental facets of character to pick up on too. They really are time capsules.
Lucy Florey - I think it is maternal. LOL. In most episodes whoever is sitting in the last chair to our left, which is usually Arlene or Dorothy, tends to watch the contestants walk offstage because they are all walking toward the audience and the footlights, but also all the cameramen, cables and equipment, so are in some danger of tripping over things. I think you will note this is common with elderly guests and even men like Liberace and others when the ladies are not engaged in some other conversation with panelists as the guest walks off. They have done this with very homely people and huge numbers of folks who are not well-known. Occasionally, John has made some comment about being careful. They do not so much stare when they were in the habit of walking off toward the chalkboard or behind John because there wasn't an obstacle course on that side. Even female panelists Margaret Truman and Phyllis Newman have done it when sitting in that chair because all the hardware and coworkers are far closer than you might think. They were frequent enough visitors on the set to be conscious of the perils.
I like the teasing never rude never undue it is always kind of sweet, roasting but not hurtful nor derogatory, as it is often seen in today's entertainment.
@@preppysocks209 If you're talking about Bennett's pronunciation of 'roster' with a long 'o', it's an older pronunciation that has died out since then, but it's in the 1961 Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary as an alternate. The language changes over time, and Bennett went to school over a century ago.
In addition to being an actor, Bogarde was a novelist, screenwriter, journalist, essayist, poet, reviewer and painter. He wrote seven best-selling volumes of memoirs, six novels, a volume of collected journalism, mainly from articles in The Daily Telegraph, reviews, essays, and poetry. His poetry has been published in war anthologies. Bogarde had one screenplay to his credit - an adaptation for Yorkshire Television of Graham Greene’s May We Borrow Your Husband? A painting by Bogarde from WWII hangs in the British Museum, with many more in the Imperial War Museum. As an actor, he was nominated five times for a BAFTA as Best Actor, and won twice - for The Servant (1963) and Darling (1965). He was appointed a Commander of the Order of Arts and Letters in 1990 and a Knight Bachelor in 1992.
I find it dumbfounding that none of the panelists seem to take into consideration the extraordinary poise, grace, and beauty of the first contestant in trying to guess her occupation. Are they all suddenly blind? That woman is gorgeous!
Those WML Panellists’ names defined in full. Cerf - (i) An overbearing and rather pompous person who makes creepy remarks to females. (ii) A Pisstaker (iii) A Smartarse.
Those two were constantly picking at each other. It was always done in fun but I believe every once in awhile either of them would push a little more than they should have. In all, it was friendly banter.
Bennet is "Chuckles "... LOL ... I'm glad I found this episodes, broadcasted for 17 years. I will watch all of them, lacking good contemprorary entertainment.
The "bat boy gave every appearance of being extremely nervous!. I imagine the longer you have to to wait back stage, the worse the nerves can get for some. 😳
Apparently Ms Sherrylyn Patecell Lovejoy is divorced but quite comfortable, splitting her time between the Hamptons of Long Island (NY) and Florida. Here is a news article and picture of her from 2011 when she was ~70 years old. www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Bridgehampton/387116/Planning-Board-Hears-Two-Trees-Update Here is a story about 7 former Rockettes, now senior citizens, getting together in Florida in 2016. There is a video that accompanies the story. I believe that Sherrylyn is second from left in the opening shot of the 7 in chorus line pose. www.sun-sentinel.com/features/fl-rockettes-reunion-florida-20160129-story.html
I agree about Dirk Bogarde being congenial and a fun, articulate panelist. I always found him somewhat stiff as an actor, and his sexual discomfort may very well explain that. He simply wasn't comfortable as a "standard" leading man. He was absolutely charming here. I think Bennett should have been called "Chuckles" all the time!
I'm always surprised when guests say they don't know the rules. I mean even if they'd never seen the show, I think it very strange they'd be allowed to walk in front of the cameras without having a clue about the game they'd be playing. Surely the producers could spend 30 seconds running over the rules before they went on air.
Yes, it is baffling. Some folks have argued that the rules explanations were for the benefit of new viewers, but I don't buy it. WML was a hugely popular show, everyone knew how it worked. Besides, a new viewer could figure out the rules without any explanation by watching a single round of play. Fortunately, the rules could be explained very, very quickly so it doesn't drag down the show when it happens, but I agree with you, it's nonsensical that the producers wouldn't have gone over the rules with the contestants in advance.
Actually, I was thinking that she might have been a bit nervous and that she was on autopilot for the first few minutes. Quite beautiful ... and I'm not surprised that she won Miss Congeniality at the 1960 pageant ... she was so gracious.
I find it hard to believe that a young lady like this wouldn't be familiar enough with WML to know how it is played since it was a very popular program. Although, even if she didn't know, you'd think that if you were going to appear on a national TV program you'd ask friends, family, ANYBODY what it was about and how it was played before you went on the air. At least it seems strange to me.
I wonder if that's a statement they have to say on the air so everyone knows they did go over the rules.....a legal thing. So someone can't later say Oh, I didn't know that and they have no proof. I know I have seen some say no to that question...that may be from nervousness......
Those WML Panellists’ names defined in full. Cerf - (i) An overbearing and rather pompous person who makes creepy remarks to females. (ii) A Pisstaker (iii) A Smartarse.
Myrna Loy and I have two things in common: 1) Neither of us ever won a competitive Oscar 2) Neither of us was ever nominated for a competitive Oscar. One difference is that she was awarded a life achievement Oscar shortly before her death. The Academy Awards are not a meritocracy.
John Daly and the "Chuckles" joke got a little old after the 6th or 7th time. But all in good fun. These old episodes were good-natured and charming entertainment. Could use some of that same spirit today.
You’re correct Kenneth, it did get old until the ending when John paused before saying “good night...Bennett,” so that the repetition was a set up for the final cute remark. Other posters criticized Bennett’s response, but I think his actions were fine.
Funny Nixon had such a swarthy appearance in the '60 election that surely the second contestant didn't do his makeup. Some said his slick and seedy appearance on camera was a factor in his loss of the election
I was just 4 1/2 years old that summer, but I can clearly remember not liking Nixon's appearance during the televised debates, and my parents telling me that we didn't pick a President based on his looks.
Dirk's real first name was indeed "Derek". In fact, he was knighted as "Sir Derek". He was one of the most interesting actors of his generation and was as out-of-the-closet as the times would allow without ruining his career.
At least a serious sympathetic one I think. The "Sissy" character was a comic mainstay of the movie industry almost from its beginnings. Remember, for example, Franklin Pangborn?
There was nothing sissy about ‘Victim’ and I doubt very much, Dirk Bogarde would have portrayed a homosexual character like the likes of Franklin Pangborn on the screen. If you’re a fan of this brilliant actor and you haven’t seen this film I suggest you chase it up.
But I forgot about the German silent film"Different From the Others (1919} which starred Conrad Veigt and was apparently the basis for the plot of "Victim". from Wikipedia: "Anders als die Andern is one of the first sympathetic portrayals of homosexuals in the cinema.[1] The film's basic plot was used again in the 1961 UK film, Victim,[1] starring Dirk Bogarde." (But it barely survived Nazi censorship.)
Why do people insist on doing this, providing timecodes to jump to the mystery guest segment??? Anyone who's ever watched an episode of WML already knows that the mystery guest spots are always the third segment. If this is intended to help people who DON'T watch WML to skip past the whole rest of the episode so they can jump right to a guest. . . (a) It's kinda nutty to think that anyone is going to read through 100+ comments for a timecode before even watching the video itself, and (b) Even if anyone DID bother to do (a), comments "helping" people to skip past the whole rest of the episode deprive anyone new to the show of any chance to maybe discover they like the show itself, aside from the incredible roster of stars who were mystery guests. Thanks so much.
Wow! The Sunbeam mixer on the front of the panels table looks almost the same as the one I bought last year. The only difference is the bowl. You’d think it would have changed more since 1960. I like mine especially ‘cause it has two different sized bowls.
Sunbeam designed some great appliances in the 1950s and 1960s. My mother still uses a toaster and an electric skillet exactly like the ones pictured, and they are just about as old as this program if not older--as long as I can remember, and I can remember 1960 pretty well.
Wow! That’s really cool that your mom still has some of those old Sunbeam appliances. I was only 7 years old in 1960, so I don’t remember a whole lot from then. It wasn’t a very good time for my family then either.
I'd heard of Dirk Bogarde, but this episode of WML was my first experience of him. I had to look him up and was not surprised in the least to find out that, though he was closeted as all actors had to be in those days, he had a long-term relationship with Anthony Forwood, who was his manager. They lived together for many, many years in England and, later, in France. Forwood's death in 1988 ended that relationship. Bogarde himself died in 1999. Apparently, all of Dirk Bogarde's close friends knew what was going on, but kept silent because of the "morals" clause in every studio contract in those days.
drumzRfun1 There'll come a day....say another twenty, thirty years....when people will comment on how ridiculous it is that the ladies are not standing to greet the lady as well. Things change.
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Shameful that Myrna Loy was never nominated for an Oscar. Deserved one for Best Years of Our Lives.
Top film
Definitely.
Myrna Loy looking absolutely gorgeous still at the age of 55
There is a great interview with her from 1977 on youtube where she is in her 70s and still looks phenomenal. She was such a class act.
Dirk Bogarde enlisted when war broke out in England and rose to rank of Major. He was one of the first Allied officers in April 1945 to reach the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, an experience which affected him deeply for many years afterwards.
He appeared in the first film version of 'The Great Escape' which had no Americans in it. No Americans were in the camp therefore took no part in the escape.
Thanks for that info.
He was an exceptionally good guest panelist and very sharply intelligent man too. I recently watched his movie with Margaret Lockwood and became his fan. Astonishingly method actor with exceptional good looks and razor sharp intellect.
Thank you.
Yes. He identified the Rockette!
Myrna Loy. What a woman. What an actress. What a career!
Myrna Loy .......what a beautiful woman. She was beautiful in those Thin Man films in the 1930s, and just as beautiful here in 1960. I love to see her films!
It cracks me up when a star is a star-struck fan of another star - in this case Dirk Bogarde who LOVED Myrna Loy in the Thin Man pictures.
Myrna Loy is a gem.
When Dirk Bogarde asked the first question of Miss Loy, I believe he already knew her identity (as he said later). He was very polite when he asked if she'd been in the movie industry longer than "12 years". He could have said "30" or "35 years", and she would have had to say "Yes". He was a real gentleman.
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A gentleman and quite perceptive.
Myrna Loy was great in The Best Years Of Our Lives, a movie many believe to be the best movie ever made. I recommend it highly. It's about 3 servicemen coming home from WWII and trying to readjust to civilian life.
Arlene Francis is so witty and always looks like a million bucks. Dorothy Kilgallen has such a lovely, delicate voice.
Make that a million after-tax, pre-inflation, 1960 dollars
Arlene seemed to never age. In this episode she was 53 years old, and looked so good.
The gorgeous Dirk Bogarde, with that voice! Loved him in so many movies...and what a treat to see him here.
His whole persona really struck me when I first watched this. I would kill for that accent, lol. What a charmer!
"Except Chuckles.." Arlene was Super smart and super quick. Made me LoL.
Dirk Bogarde is charm personified
Dirk Bogarde was such a handsome gentleman and an extremely talented actor. His films of the 1960's are magnificent.
‘Victim’.
It makes me so sad to see all these great actors, that are not longer alive.
If it's any consolation, we'll all be joining them soon enough.
@@acousticshadow4032 Thanks - but actually, it is not..
@@timokautto9815 Not to you, Sparky - cuz I wasn't addressing you! 😂🤣😂
After so many years they are no longer acting, they are just surviving.
they are still alive in the many films they have left that one can still see ...
Myrna Loy - lovely inside and out.
She'd been in films in the Cecil B. DeMille age. Talk about a lovely woman aging so gorgeously. Delightful to see.
To think she began as a bogus 'exotic' native girl in burnt cork and grass skirts!
Myrna Loy looked great!
buyvital/Justvintedge Myrna avoided playing the old lady horror movies en vogue, went to the stage, toured for years, eventually made it to Broadway.
Myrna Loy was true Hollywood with none of the pretentiousness. Just lovely.
***** Thanks for this information. Makes me admire her all the more. I'll have to check out an autobiography.
wiguy3 -- Myrna Loy was a class act (to use a Johnny Carsonism) in every way. She was a native of Montana, by the way. Also, as I posted originally (and to which you responded), she was an outspoken opponent of racism, especially in the Hollywood film industry. She often asked producers why black actors and actresses were only allowed to play servants, saying things like, "Why can't we have a black actor walking up the courthouse steps as an attorney?" (She probably used the term "Negro" back in the 1940's when she said that because that was the respectful term in use in that era.) She was someone who believed in justice and doing what was right, and speaking up for those not in a position to be heard if they spoke up for themselves. Then, too, she could play a very classy sort of lady in a sophisticated comedy film, such as Nora Charles opposite William Powell as Nick Charles in "The Thin Man" series. She definitely wasn't stuck on herself and didn't think she was special because she was so well-known as a movie star -- absolutely not the kind of person who enjoyed being driven around in a limousine with a uniformed chauffeur. Like Jack Benny, she thought that every human being mattered. Truly a mensch.
I remember hearing somewhere that when Clark Gable was crowned the King of Hollywood, Ms. Loy was crowned the Queen.
Woman such as Loy, simply don't exist in Hollywood now. Glamour needs mystery and you can't have it with smart phones, cameras everywhere, constant news cycle, and last , but not least a phoney attempt at egalitarianism.
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I tbought they all were pretending in Hollyweird..
I love Myrna Loy, her voice is so sophisticated, so sexy, imagine my surprise when I read that she had grown up on a Ranch in Montana, she started riding horses at age 3, and at her passing was buried back in Montana in the family plot.
LOVE Myrna Loy
Laura Thornton She was a beautiful,classy lady.
Who is the BEST Actress who never received an Oscar nomination during the Golden Age of Hollywood???? MYRNA LOY!!!!!! (: (: (: Just adore her! (: (: (:
As noted in the comments, Myrna Loy was from Helena, Montana. Her father was a state legislator. Gary Cooper was also from the small city of Helena. His father was a state Supreme Court Justice in Montana's early days. The two were acquainted in childhood.
Cool facts!
I'm a Montana boy and didn't know that. But then again, she was a bit before my time.
Myrna Loy- Beauty, intelligence, warmth. and good taste all in one package. Wow!
What a Lady!
She was in 'The April Fools' (1969) with Charles Boyer as the older couple- Jack Lemmon and Catherine Deneuve were the others. In the year of 'Easy Rider' and tedious hippy or student-rebellion flicks, this little remembered picture is an oasis of charm and sophistication. Lemmon convinced Myrna to return to the screen after almost a decade, and she looks fabulous.
Myrna Loy was one gorgeous, classy and sexy lady.
Dirk Bogarde. A fine actor, handsome and intelligent, and a clever panelist. Wish he had made more WML appearances.
Was a real treat to see Mr. Bogarde in this!
I'd never heard of Dirk Bogarde before, but I agree he was an excellent panelist! He guessed the first contestant's line quite quickly, and I think he guessed the Mystery Guest was Myrna Loy before anyone else did, but kept going for a couple of rounds, anyway.
Gay man who REFUSED to discuss his private life but did not shirk from playing a dramatic closet homosexual role long before it was done. He refused to go out with women for 'show', only if they were real friends of his. Here's to not giving a damn!
vergil arma HBC is in no position to judge anyone ever. Bogarde starred in one of the 1st movies to deal with the subject, he was an atypical star for decades, a survivor in an unforgiving industry.
Dirk Bogarde was the star of an absolute masterpiece:Death in Venith of Visconti. For that he belongs forever to the History of cinéman and more an "intellectual" actor
I like Myrna Loy...I so enjoy watching her and William Powell in The Thin Man series. She was very attractive, and he was a doll!
Best Hollywood movie couple. pure class and wit.
They were never connected romantically, but remained lifelong friends.
Great chemistry!
It is too adorable when John keeps ribbing Bennet with "Chuckles" during this episode. Thank you so much for uploading all of these. I have subscribed and look forward to watching all of these. The education and anecdotes in the comments is amazing.
She's 55 there....stunning...and so smart and funny.
Such class, such humor, such fun!
Oh, how I dearly love Myrna Loy.
Another classy and beautiful lady from the golden era. I love the Thin Man series of movies. I believe that's when Myrna was at her best.
IronClad292 Made her a star, after years & dozens of movies. Went on strike for star salary & pay equity with her male co-star, they were going to recast Nora Charles! Resolved, she was Queen of Hollywood by 1938, she & Powell went on to make 14 movies together. Left Hollywood during the War years to work for the Red Cross, returned to get lead billing in Best Picture classic, The Best Years of Our Lives. Myrna was always at her best.
Interesting bio. Thanks for the information. You're right, Myrna was always at her best !!
IronClad292 She was friends with Bette Davis AND Joan Crawford! Her takedown of Christina Crawford in her memoirs is a highlight. Myrna worked with her on stage, saw it 1st hand. Thin Man is the movie that introduced me to her & you're right, it's the best, Hays Office was just getting started & they could get away with more. Martinis, not babies. Couldn't have come any where near Nick's tabloids after 1934.
This episode is a quarter century after the Thin Man series began, and just a couple of days before Myrna turned 55. How did she manage to apparently age only a few years during that period? Inner beauty manifesting itself in outer beauty is the best explanation I can come up with.
my favorite of hers, and it is with Powell, is Libeled Lady
This IS "the way we were "-- a lovely country, gracous, well-mannered, well-spoken, witty, intelligent yet unpretentious. I'm nearly eighty and I remember it well. Hw and why things changed for the worse over night the way they did in the sixties, I still can't figure out. Thank God for these videos. It's all we have left if our Lost Eden.
We know why, if we think about it, @Franco Aragosta, and I am twenty years younger. We got lazy and when first signs of cultural decay appeared, good people did not stand up and fight. We also kept Senators & Congressmen in there who never fought either!
gcjerryusc and it also lies with our side who refused to fight and Rockefeller then Bush Republicans who wanted to be buds with the enemies of our country rather than FIGHT.
I'm sorry to say you are right....
Tis isn't real life. This is a fantasy. Outside this CBS studio, America has a lot of problems that aren't being dealt with. The seeds of a global empire, which will wreck our democracy, have already been sown.
Yeah. And the McCarthy trials...Struggles for Civil Rights...
Note the reference in the first game on Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini, that was the number one song on Billboard the week after this episode aired.
My lord!!...She looks fabulous!!
Stunning... Classy.. Amazing... Myrna Loy
Dirk Bogarde 😍😍😍
I looked up Sherrylynn Patecell and it turns out she was not only Miss New York of 1960, she later became Miss America of 1962.
And I am sure Bennett gave her a vote. Really pretty. Great info!
+Lambchop47
As a native New Yorker I say, would that it were true. But Maria Fletcher of North Carolina was Miss America in 1962. Nancy Fleming of Michigan (later the wife of TV personality Jim Lange) was crowned Miss America 1961. (Susan Jane Talbert of New York won Miss Congeniality that year.) That contest was held in Atlantic City on 9/10/60.
Three states (Illinois, New Jersey and New York) sent two contestants to the Miss America 1961 pageant. Sherrylyn Patecell was the other NY contestant, but neither she or Miss Talbert were in the top 10. As best I can tell, Sherrylyn was Miss New York City, while Susan Jane was Miss New York State.
Sherrylyn Patecell was in the top 15 of the 1962 MIss USA competition, but the winner of that contest was Macel Wilson of Hawaii.
@@loissimmons6558 Yes, these data appear to be correct for Miss America and Miss USA that year. I looked it up as well because something about the statement struck me as inaccurate.
Fascinating. Thanks for this info.
Bogarde brilliant as always, even in Sherlock Holmes mode!
Myrna Loy: such a classy lady all the way. And Dirk Bogarde made a great, intelligent panelist.
Absolutely LOVE Myrna Loy.
It is so wonderful to watch these, and more than once. I is rare I do not laugh out loud and maybe, even cry.
It was sweet that the first contestant clapped and was really happy the panel won. What a kind person
She was delightful! To be a Rockette! Wow!
It's too bad she didn't win the 1960 Miss America contest. 😟
People fast-tracking to the mystery guest btw are missing out on the fascinating dynamics and cultural aspects of these shows. As well as that there are so many subtle and incidental facets of character to pick up on too. They really are time capsules.
She's was an unique actor. She has this certain heir about her, that is most charming.
❤️ Myrna Loy. She’s my favorite actress of all time.
Does anyone notice that Arlene and or Dorothy follow the contestants with their gaze as they leave when they admire them.
Lucy Florey - I think it is maternal. LOL. In most episodes whoever is sitting in the last chair to our left, which is usually Arlene or Dorothy, tends to watch the contestants walk offstage because they are all walking toward the audience and the footlights, but also all the cameramen, cables and equipment, so are in some danger of tripping over things. I think you will note this is common with elderly guests and even men like Liberace and others when the ladies are not engaged in some other conversation with panelists as the guest walks off. They have done this with very homely people and huge numbers of folks who are not well-known. Occasionally, John has made some comment about being careful. They do not so much stare when they were in the habit of walking off toward the chalkboard or behind John because there wasn't an obstacle course on that side. Even female panelists Margaret Truman and Phyllis Newman have done it when sitting in that chair because all the hardware and coworkers are far closer than you might think. They were frequent enough visitors on the set to be conscious of the perils.
Yep every week!
I noticed that too on many contestants, not all: celebrities, "attractive women," famous sports people, etc.
Beautiful, cursive signatures!
I have noticed that several times especially when they admire the clothing.
Thanks "Whats My Line" for posting all of these......best TV programme in my opinion that was made......good stuff.
Patrick Earley You're welcome, Patrick. Glad you're enjoying the shows.
What a lovely thing to stumble on ! I love Dirk Bogarde and I have all his books and I’m pretty sure that he never mentioned being on this show ! 🎭
myrna was so adorable
What floors me is that not only is Dirk Bogarde on the panel in this wonderful - and very rare - appearance, but that he actually guessed "Rockette".
Almost as if he had.....actually.....seen ....her.....before.
My god..could he have seen her before..gasp..maybe they are from the same planet..
@@robertsprouse9282 Hmmm. And I always thought he was from Pluto!
@@kennethlatham3133 Yes. It..... is.....odd..... isn't..... it!
Guess? Oh, please … !
Such a beautiful woman.
I like the teasing never rude never undue it is always kind of sweet, roasting but not hurtful nor derogatory, as it is often seen in today's entertainment.
"roaster"
@@preppysocks209 If you're talking about Bennett's pronunciation of 'roster' with a long 'o', it's an older pronunciation that has died out since then, but it's in the 1961 Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary as an alternate. The language changes over time, and Bennett went to school over a century ago.
What a lovely woman Myrna Loy was.
I love Myrna Loy :D
Almost 60 years ago with in days. Love this show so much!!! ❤️
Myrna Loy was good indeed!
In addition to being an actor, Bogarde was a novelist, screenwriter, journalist, essayist, poet, reviewer and painter.
He wrote seven best-selling volumes of memoirs, six novels, a volume of collected journalism, mainly from articles in The Daily Telegraph, reviews, essays, and poetry. His poetry has been published in war anthologies.
Bogarde had one screenplay to his credit - an adaptation for Yorkshire Television of Graham Greene’s May We Borrow Your Husband?
A painting by Bogarde from WWII hangs in the British Museum, with many more in the Imperial War Museum.
As an actor, he was nominated five times for a BAFTA as Best Actor, and won twice - for The Servant (1963) and Darling (1965).
He was appointed a Commander of the Order of Arts and Letters in 1990 and a Knight Bachelor in 1992.
She is from Big Sky Country and they are still proud of her too. Notice how the movie stars dressed - wow.
I find it dumbfounding that none of the panelists seem to take into consideration the extraordinary poise, grace, and beauty of the first contestant in trying to guess her occupation. Are they all suddenly blind? That woman is gorgeous!
Mr Chuckles was the perfect name for Bennett. Chemistry shown on this show is incredible and heartwarming!!
Those WML Panellists’ names defined in full.
Cerf - (i) An overbearing and rather pompous person who makes creepy remarks to females. (ii) A Pisstaker (iii) A Smartarse.
Myrna is eternally -The Perfect Wife!
Perfect in a hotel lounge or boudoir, but seldom seen in an apron or by the hearth...
"Chuckles" hahahahahahahaha Ol Bennett didn't have much of any come back, typically he does. Just another item that makes this show so good!
Myrna Loy......so adorable!
Great ep. thanks. Bennett seemed genuinely irritated by the "chuckles" nickname.
They overdid the "chuckles" bit I think.
Those two were constantly picking at each other. It was always done in fun but I believe every once in awhile either of them would push a little more than they should have. In all, it was friendly banter.
@@tomtriffid yes the chuckles thing quicly became not funny.
Bennet is "Chuckles "... LOL ... I'm glad I found this episodes, broadcasted for 17 years. I will watch all of them, lacking good contemprorary entertainment.
A Game Show with major major big time Stars as guests and on the panel !
Yea Myrna!!!! Wouldn't it be incredible to be asked, "Are you a leading ______?" and you could say "yes!" These are fun. Huge "Thin Man" fan.
The "bat boy gave every appearance of being extremely nervous!. I imagine the longer you have to to wait back stage, the worse the nerves can get for some. 😳
This might be the best episode of all of them.
"A little song, a little dance; a little seltzer down your pants."
HAHAHA..very good..MTM show
A heroic civil rights activist!
Lovely episode.
Myrna loy💗🤧
Beautiful, cursive signatures.
Apparently Ms Sherrylyn Patecell Lovejoy is divorced but quite comfortable, splitting her time between the Hamptons of Long Island (NY) and Florida. Here is a news article and picture of her from 2011 when she was ~70 years old.
www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Bridgehampton/387116/Planning-Board-Hears-Two-Trees-Update
Here is a story about 7 former Rockettes, now senior citizens, getting together in Florida in 2016. There is a video that accompanies the story. I believe that Sherrylyn is second from left in the opening shot of the 7 in chorus line pose.
www.sun-sentinel.com/features/fl-rockettes-reunion-florida-20160129-story.html
The Thin Man movies, starring William Powell and Myrna Loy, are some of my favorite movies.
I agree about Dirk Bogarde being congenial and a fun, articulate panelist. I always found him somewhat stiff as an actor, and his sexual discomfort may very well explain that. He simply wasn't comfortable as a "standard" leading man. He was absolutely charming here.
I think Bennett should have been called "Chuckles" all the time!
He didn't have any "sexual discomfort."
He was a very popular leading man in Britain. Particularly in the Doctor in the House series.
I'm always surprised when guests say they don't know the rules. I mean even if they'd never seen the show, I think it very strange they'd be allowed to walk in front of the cameras without having a clue about the game they'd be playing. Surely the producers could spend 30 seconds running over the rules before they went on air.
Yes, it is baffling. Some folks have argued that the rules explanations were for the benefit of new viewers, but I don't buy it. WML was a hugely popular show, everyone knew how it worked. Besides, a new viewer could figure out the rules without any explanation by watching a single round of play. Fortunately, the rules could be explained very, very quickly so it doesn't drag down the show when it happens, but I agree with you, it's nonsensical that the producers wouldn't have gone over the rules with the contestants in advance.
Actually, I was thinking that she might have been a bit nervous and that she was on autopilot for the first few minutes. Quite beautiful ... and I'm not surprised that she won Miss Congeniality at the 1960 pageant ... she was so gracious.
I find it hard to believe that a young lady like this wouldn't be familiar enough with WML to know how it is played since it was a very popular program. Although, even if she didn't know, you'd think that if you were going to appear on a national TV program you'd ask friends, family, ANYBODY what it was about and how it was played before you went on the air. At least it seems strange to me.
I wonder if that's a statement they have to say on the air so everyone knows they did go over the rules.....a legal thing. So someone can't later say Oh, I didn't know that and they have no proof. I know I have seen some say no to that question...that may be from nervousness......
But they all get $50 no matter how many cards are flipped.
Poor Bennett. He can dish it out but he can't take it!
but John over does teasing to the point of being obnoxious and tedious!!
gcjerryusc Agreed. I'm realky surprised how gratuitously Daly overused the 'gag'.
How many times would YOU like to be referred to as 'CHUCKLES' on national television?
Those WML Panellists’ names defined in full.
Cerf - (i) An overbearing and rather pompous person who makes creepy remarks to females. (ii) A Pisstaker (iii) A Smartarse.
People had such CLASS back then. Note how the men always stand up and the women dress so elegantly.
Myrna's remains are buried here in Helena, Montana. Making a mental note to go out a visit the cemetery again.
A rare contestant who says "no" when asked if she knows the rules.
And she is from NYC.
Yesh and what a drag. I thought they'd got over that hump by now.
So good looking,,,dirk bogarde
The Thin Man series is one of my favourites ♡
Although I’m younger, I have a crush on Myrna, a great actress with a beautiful face,
One of your best! ❤️❤️❤️
Love the Rockettes!
Myrna Loy and I have two things in common:
1) Neither of us ever won a competitive Oscar
2) Neither of us was ever nominated for a competitive Oscar.
One difference is that she was awarded a life achievement Oscar shortly before her death.
The Academy Awards are not a meritocracy.
That toaster that Sunbeam advertised looks nicer than the one I got at Walmart.
No doubt it was better quality.
John Daly and the "Chuckles" joke got a little old after the 6th or 7th time. But all in good fun. These old episodes were good-natured and charming entertainment. Could use some of that same spirit today.
You’re correct Kenneth, it did get old until the ending when John paused before saying “good night...Bennett,” so that the repetition was a set up for the final cute remark.
Other posters criticized Bennett’s response, but I think his actions were fine.
Funny Nixon had such a swarthy appearance in the '60 election that surely the second contestant didn't do his makeup. Some said his slick and seedy appearance on camera was a factor in his loss of the election
Also it's been noted that people who listened to the debate on the radio thought Nixon won the debate.
Nixon refused make up saying it was "unmanly". As the Television era was already a factor...bad error on his part.
I was just 4 1/2 years old that summer, but I can clearly remember not liking Nixon's appearance during the televised debates, and my parents telling me that we didn't pick a President based on his looks.
Neil midkiff... women do.
John kept calling Dirk Derek! That was in the days before the producer could use a link via an earpiece for some urgent corrections!
Dirk's real first name was indeed "Derek". In fact, he was knighted as "Sir Derek". He was one of the most interesting actors of his generation and was as out-of-the-closet as the times would allow without ruining his career.
If I’m not mistaken he was the first ‘Star’ to play a homosexual character on the screen in Victim 1961.
At least a serious sympathetic one I think. The "Sissy" character was a comic mainstay of the movie industry almost from its beginnings. Remember, for example, Franklin Pangborn?
There was nothing sissy about ‘Victim’ and I doubt very much, Dirk Bogarde would have portrayed a homosexual character like the likes of Franklin Pangborn on the screen. If you’re a fan of this brilliant actor and you haven’t seen this film I suggest you chase it up.
But I forgot about the German silent film"Different From the Others (1919} which starred Conrad Veigt and was apparently the basis for the plot of "Victim".
from Wikipedia:
"Anders als die Andern is one of the first sympathetic portrayals of homosexuals in the cinema.[1] The film's basic plot was used again in the 1961 UK film, Victim,[1] starring Dirk Bogarde." (But it barely survived Nazi censorship.)
Myrna Loy appearance starts at 18:10
Why do people insist on doing this, providing timecodes to jump to the mystery guest segment??? Anyone who's ever watched an episode of WML already knows that the mystery guest spots are always the third segment.
If this is intended to help people who DON'T watch WML to skip past the whole rest of the episode so they can jump right to a guest. . . (a) It's kinda nutty to think that anyone is going to read through 100+ comments for a timecode before even watching the video itself, and (b) Even if anyone DID bother to do (a), comments "helping" people to skip past the whole rest of the episode deprive anyone new to the show of any chance to maybe discover they like the show itself, aside from the incredible roster of stars who were mystery guests.
Thanks so much.
Wow! The Sunbeam mixer on the front of the panels table looks almost the same as the one I bought last year. The only difference is the bowl. You’d think it would have changed more since 1960. I like mine especially ‘cause it has two different sized bowls.
Sunbeam designed some great appliances in the 1950s and 1960s. My mother still uses a toaster and an electric skillet exactly like the ones pictured, and they are just about as old as this program if not older--as long as I can remember, and I can remember 1960 pretty well.
Wow! That’s really cool that your mom still has some of those old Sunbeam appliances. I was only 7 years old in 1960, so I don’t remember a whole lot from then. It wasn’t a very good time for my family then either.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'd heard of Dirk Bogarde, but this episode of WML was my first experience of him. I had to look him up and was not surprised in the least to find out that, though he was closeted as all actors had to be in those days, he had a long-term relationship with Anthony Forwood, who was his manager. They lived together for many, many years in England and, later, in France. Forwood's death in 1988 ended that relationship. Bogarde himself died in 1999. Apparently, all of Dirk Bogarde's close friends knew what was going on, but kept silent because of the "morals" clause in every studio contract in those days.
ToddSF 94109 He also starred in 1 of the 1st movies to deal with the subject, when it was still criminal & censored.
And watching him play the lover of women was so believable. It was a shock for many that he was gay.
@@gailjarvis2592 But he also claimed to have had an affair with Capucine, the Frenchwoman with whom he co-starred in 'Song without End'.
While there is such elegance in these days, it is refreshing to be “woke” to people and not closeted. Such a waste of energy
Modern day actors could learn from him. We don't NEED to know.
Men stand when greeting a lady. And what a lady too!
drumzRfun1 There'll come a day....say another twenty, thirty years....when people will comment on how ridiculous it is that the ladies are not standing to greet the lady as well.
Things change.
5:43
Arlene: "It's protective in that it covers the subject."
John: "Well, let's not predicate too much on that. Ohhhhhh!!!"
hahaha relax John
"Relax"? He was making a joke, and a pretty good one.
Derek was awesome.
John covered the convention for abc news in 1960