Thank you very much for the logically well throughout ethics. I admire how she managed to respond in the way that she did, given being put on the spot.
Bonnie is an excellent speaker and academic. She seriously knows her subject area. She explains it very well.gives excellent examples and then goes back to the central point again. She’s very clear and thorough.😊
It seems to be that the most potent positions on either “side” are the FLO theory and Interest based positions like Bonnie’s. Time to go on ResearchGate and see some critiques on either position.
If contraception fails and she falls pregnant and I as the man am not ready to be a dad and suggest an abortion. If she decides to keep the baby and i walk out then don't ask me for child support money.
I understand your position and people should be discussing these things before ever doing things that could lead to pregnancy! It's shocking how many people don't even know what the other person's wishes would likely be in the event of an unplanned pregnancy!
Isn’t there potential sentience and the genetic correlates of sentience in the DNA code? Wouldn’t the unique nature of this potential sentience relate to an interest in manifesting and developing it not just for the persons interest but also for society’s interests in the unique contribution of that individual? This wouldn’t relate to a biological identity argument rather both embodied and biological.
That's why we'll never agree. We have different underlying philosophies. I value sentient life that exists in the present and some people value potentials.
Something pro-life people always seem to assume is that everyone is grateful to be born. I assure you that although most people are glad to have been born there are lots of people who wish they'd never been created. I have a very privileged life but with the depression and anxiety that runs in my family I truly wish I had never been forced to exist. Now that I'm here I do my best to make this a better world but I'm absolutely an anti-natalist. I think abstinence is a great option but not everyone chooses that so I think abortion is the more moral choice over having children. Embryos and young fetuses aren't sentient (until week 17) so they have no self-interest. I think abortion should be done before 17 weeks but in that time period I think it's the best choice. As far as religion, I'm a Cathar. We believe the greatest sin is procreation. I guarantee ensoulment doesn't happen at conception because identical twins form sometime in the 1st 2 weeks and twins don't share a soul.
Well that's a view. Why doesn't this just imply we should all commit suicide (I apologise if this question sounds naive but I don't know much about anti-natalism.)
The things that's common between the king and prince is royalty, the thing that's common between fetus and adult is humanity. These are just entities that exist at different stages of development.
Zygotes, embryos and young fetuses aren't sentient so they literally don't care if they live or die. There's a huge difference between human life that has thoughts and feelings and human life that doesn't. I care about sentient life so I don't eat meat. If you're not a vegetarian, how do you feel about animals suffering for your taste preference? If you eat meat you're not pro-life.
@@KatrinaDancer So let me get this straight..in your eyes, Killing animals that are considered sentient, absolutely wrong and heinous. But killing a human being that has the genetic capacity for not just sentience but also rationality, completely ok?
Thank you very much for the logically well throughout ethics. I admire how she managed to respond in the way that she did, given being put on the spot.
Yes, there were lots of tough questions at the end. She did a fine job though.
Bonnie is an excellent speaker and academic. She seriously knows her subject area. She explains it very well.gives excellent examples and then goes back to the central point again. She’s very clear and thorough.😊
It seems to be that the most potent positions on either “side” are the FLO theory and Interest based positions like Bonnie’s. Time to go on ResearchGate and see some critiques on either position.
Excellent lecture! thank you so much for the information.
These videos are excellent and very informative!😊
Pre: 54:10: Moral status of Foetus and different views. 54:35: Moving on - "Women, in essence, serving as a life support system
Watching this now in 2022…oh how far back the US 🇺🇸 has put itself in terms of women’s rights.
If contraception fails and she falls pregnant and I as the man am not ready to be a dad and suggest an abortion. If she decides to keep the baby and i walk out then don't ask me for child support money.
I understand your position and people should be discussing these things before ever doing things that could lead to pregnancy! It's shocking how many people don't even know what the other person's wishes would likely be in the event of an unplanned pregnancy!
Isn’t there potential sentience and the genetic correlates of sentience in the DNA code? Wouldn’t the unique nature of this potential sentience relate to an interest in manifesting and developing it not just for the persons interest but also for society’s interests in the unique contribution of that individual? This wouldn’t relate to a biological identity argument rather both embodied and biological.
That's why we'll never agree. We have different underlying philosophies. I value sentient life that exists in the present and some people value potentials.
Something pro-life people always seem to assume is that everyone is grateful to be born. I assure you that although most people are glad to have been born there are lots of people who wish they'd never been created. I have a very privileged life but with the depression and anxiety that runs in my family I truly wish I had never been forced to exist. Now that I'm here I do my best to make this a better world but I'm absolutely an anti-natalist. I think abstinence is a great option but not everyone chooses that so I think abortion is the more moral choice over having children. Embryos and young fetuses aren't sentient (until week 17) so they have no self-interest. I think abortion should be done before 17 weeks but in that time period I think it's the best choice.
As far as religion, I'm a Cathar. We believe the greatest sin is procreation. I guarantee ensoulment doesn't happen at conception because identical twins form sometime in the 1st 2 weeks and twins don't share a soul.
Well that's a view. Why doesn't this just imply we should all commit suicide (I apologise if this question sounds naive but I don't know much about anti-natalism.)
The things that's common between the king and prince is royalty, the thing that's common between fetus and adult is humanity. These are just entities that exist at different stages of development.
Zygotes, embryos and young fetuses aren't sentient so they literally don't care if they live or die. There's a huge difference between human life that has thoughts and feelings and human life that doesn't. I care about sentient life so I don't eat meat. If you're not a vegetarian, how do you feel about animals suffering for your taste preference? If you eat meat you're not pro-life.
@@KatrinaDancer So let me get this straight..in your eyes, Killing animals that are considered sentient, absolutely wrong and heinous. But killing a human being that has the genetic capacity for not just sentience but also rationality, completely ok?