They have the WRONG national insignia for that model of B-17. The G model first flew in August of 1943. By that time, the USA had adopted the Star AND BAR, insignia. Its possible that any aircraft before august 1943 would have the old insignia still on it, but anything NEW Made after August 1943 would certainly be delivered with the NEW insignia.
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that the national insignia changed. I feel sure that they will know that, as I think it was a conscious decision by them to retain the colour scheme that the aircraft was given when it was used to represent B-17F ' Memphis Belle' in the 1986 movie. 'Sally B' retains the overall scheme that it was given then with 'Memphis Belle' nose art on the starboard side and 'Sally B' nose art on the port side (the latter wasn't there for the movie and neither was the chequered inner starboard engine cowling. When the aircraft first arrived in the UK after purchase from the French Institut Geographic National (IGN) in 1975, it was given a several silver scheme representing an aircraft of the 457th Bomb Group, USAAF 8th Air Force, based at Glatton with 'stars and bars'. It subsequently changed scheme in 1981 for a UK TV Series called 'We'll meet again', before then changing for the 'Memphis Belle' movie and retaining that scheme since. I don't think that they presently have any plans to change the scheme as it is so well known in the UK and Europe, but next time I have the opportunity at a Duxford show I'll ask them about it.
Why the noise from these airplanes known as the blades? It would have been better if the B-17 was on a solo flyby and other things that it does best for the crowd to enjoy it.
It's a Lockheed/Vega built B-17G-105-VE Fortress. Here's its history - 85784 (MSN 17-8693) Accepted by USAAF at Lockheed Field, Burbank, CA Jun45. 6th Ferrying Group, Air Transport Command, Long Beach Field, CA 30Jun45. Ferried Burbank - Long Beach, CA 2Jul45 Lockheed Aircraft, Modification Center #3, Love Field, Dallas, TX Jun45. Rome Air Depot, NY 13Jul45. 4124th Base Unit (Air Technical Service Command), Altus Field, OK To Reconstruction Finance Corporation, Altus Field, OK for storage and disposal 5Nov45. 20th Ferrying Group, Berry Field, Nashville, TN for modifications. Flight Test Division, Air Technical Service Command, 2750th Air Base Group, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Nov45. Modified for training, stripped of armor, armament, turrets and bombing equipment; designated TB-17G. Landing accident at Wright Field, OH 31Dec46. Designated EB-17G 21Apr49. Designated ETB-17G. Used for man carrying wing tip pod tests 1949. Fitted with an infra-red tracking device in place of the Perspex nose. Used as test-bed for a project on manned gun-pods, the project was however abandoned. Leased to General Electric 1950. Used by the General Electric Test Flight Center, Schenectady, New York Sep50. While with G.E. all the turrets were removed. Ogden Air Materiel Area, Hill AFB, Ogden, UT 7Feb54. Restored to standard B-17G configuration less armament. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Air Materiel Command, Middletown Air Depot, Olmsted AFB, PA 2Jul54. Institute Geographique National, Creil, France 28Oct54. Registered 2Nov54 as F-BGSR, cancelled 17Sep74. Ted White and Duane Egli, Euroworld Inc, Biggin Hill, Kent. Registered 27Mar75 as N17TE. Restored to military configuration. Air show debut at the Biggin Hill Air Fair on May 18, 1975. Named SALLY B after Ted’s partner, Elly Sallingboe. Registration cancelled 4Aug76 on export to United Kingdom. Registered 5Aug76 as G-BEDF, current [Jun16]. Ted White was killed when his Harvard crashed during a rally on Malta in June 1982. Featured in filming of TV series ‘We’ll Meet Again’ [1982]. On April 30, 1985 the B-17 Preservation Limited became its owner with the goal to preserve and operate Britain's only airworthy Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress as a flying memorial. Carried markings of the 447th Bomb Group. In 1989 SALLY B had its chin turret removed to represent a B-17F for a starring role in the movie ‘Memphis Belle’ [1990] marked as DF*M / WINDY CITY. Once the filming had ended the chin turret was refitted. The aircraft flies as 124485/DF*A of the 324th Bomb Squadron as tribute to the original B-17F 41-24485 "Memphis Belle". As a tribute to Ted White, the starboard inner engine cowling will always carry the same black and yellow chequered markings as his Harvard in which he lost his life.
I never watched the 90's Memphis Belle movie because it's not good. Unlike the actual 1943 documentary, the 90's movie with it being Hollywood ramps up the action which is further from the truth. Also, how are you going to keep the Memphis Belle name on the plane after it's the movie was done? The plane was borrowed for the film, but Sally B is a G model, so it makes no sense to keep the name of a famous F model on the plane after you've turned it back into a G model. A lot of people see this and think "oh it's the Memphis Belle." It's not.
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I was there in 2022!
I was intoxicated by the sound of the engine and the vibration of the blades as it taxied past!
sally b flying fortress is my favourite plane ever I've had the pleasure of being able to go on board and have a look around.
Me too! In the early 90's when I was about 14. I remember it being roasting hot in there.
No Mustangs or Thunderbolts available? Strange pairing indeed. Enjoyed the video regardless. 😉👍🏻
Thanks. Yes, a pity that they couldn’t use a Mustang, or even a Spitfire or two!
Sorry 2 p51s and a p40 - p47 as well flying with her on fly past!!! 😊😊😊😊❤
They have the WRONG national insignia for that model of B-17. The G model first flew in August of 1943. By that time, the USA had adopted the Star AND BAR, insignia. Its possible that any aircraft before august 1943 would have the old insignia still on it, but anything NEW Made after August 1943 would certainly be delivered with the NEW insignia.
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that the national insignia changed. I feel sure that they will know that, as I think it was a conscious decision by them to retain the colour scheme that the aircraft was given when it was used to represent B-17F ' Memphis Belle' in the 1986 movie. 'Sally B' retains the overall scheme that it was given then with 'Memphis Belle' nose art on the starboard side and 'Sally B' nose art on the port side (the latter wasn't there for the movie and neither was the chequered inner starboard engine cowling. When the aircraft first arrived in the UK after purchase from the French Institut Geographic National (IGN) in 1975, it was given a several silver scheme representing an aircraft of the 457th Bomb Group, USAAF 8th Air Force, based at Glatton with 'stars and bars'. It subsequently changed scheme in 1981 for a UK TV Series called 'We'll meet again', before then changing for the 'Memphis Belle' movie and retaining that scheme since. I don't think that they presently have any plans to change the scheme as it is so well known in the UK and Europe, but next time I have the opportunity at a Duxford show I'll ask them about it.
Why the noise from these airplanes known as the blades? It would have been better if the B-17 was on a solo flyby and other things that it does best for the crowd to enjoy it.
I totally agree.
Actually, it would be better if the announcer was quiet too.
Those small planes ruin the sound of the B-17.
They most certainly do!
That's a b17f
It's a Lockheed/Vega built B-17G-105-VE Fortress. Here's its history - 85784 (MSN 17-8693) Accepted by USAAF at Lockheed Field, Burbank, CA Jun45.
6th Ferrying Group, Air Transport Command, Long Beach Field, CA 30Jun45. Ferried Burbank - Long Beach, CA 2Jul45
Lockheed Aircraft, Modification Center #3, Love Field, Dallas, TX Jun45.
Rome Air Depot, NY 13Jul45. 4124th Base Unit (Air Technical Service Command), Altus Field, OK
To Reconstruction Finance Corporation, Altus Field, OK for storage and disposal 5Nov45.
20th Ferrying Group, Berry Field, Nashville, TN for modifications.
Flight Test Division, Air Technical Service Command, 2750th Air Base Group, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Nov45.
Modified for training, stripped of armor, armament, turrets and bombing equipment; designated TB-17G.
Landing accident at Wright Field, OH 31Dec46.
Designated EB-17G 21Apr49. Designated ETB-17G.
Used for man carrying wing tip pod tests 1949.
Fitted with an infra-red tracking device in place of the Perspex nose.
Used as test-bed for a project on manned gun-pods, the project was however abandoned.
Leased to General Electric 1950.
Used by the General Electric Test Flight Center, Schenectady, New York Sep50.
While with G.E. all the turrets were removed.
Ogden Air Materiel Area, Hill AFB, Ogden, UT 7Feb54.
Restored to standard B-17G configuration less armament.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Air Materiel Command, Middletown Air Depot, Olmsted AFB, PA 2Jul54.
Institute Geographique National, Creil, France 28Oct54.
Registered 2Nov54 as F-BGSR, cancelled 17Sep74.
Ted White and Duane Egli, Euroworld Inc, Biggin Hill, Kent.
Registered 27Mar75 as N17TE.
Restored to military configuration. Air show debut at the Biggin Hill Air Fair on May 18, 1975.
Named SALLY B after Ted’s partner, Elly Sallingboe.
Registration cancelled 4Aug76 on export to United Kingdom.
Registered 5Aug76 as G-BEDF, current [Jun16].
Ted White was killed when his Harvard crashed during a rally on Malta in June 1982.
Featured in filming of TV series ‘We’ll Meet Again’ [1982].
On April 30, 1985 the B-17 Preservation Limited became its owner with the goal to preserve
and operate Britain's only airworthy Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress as a flying memorial.
Carried markings of the 447th Bomb Group.
In 1989 SALLY B had its chin turret removed to represent a B-17F for a starring role in the
movie ‘Memphis Belle’ [1990] marked as DF*M / WINDY CITY.
Once the filming had ended the chin turret was refitted.
The aircraft flies as 124485/DF*A of the 324th Bomb Squadron as tribute to the original
B-17F 41-24485 "Memphis Belle".
As a tribute to Ted White, the starboard inner engine cowling will always carry the same
black and yellow chequered markings as his Harvard in which he lost his life.
I never watched the 90's Memphis Belle movie because it's not good. Unlike the actual 1943 documentary, the 90's movie with it being Hollywood ramps up the action which is further from the truth. Also, how are you going to keep the Memphis Belle name on the plane after it's the movie was done? The plane was borrowed for the film, but Sally B is a G model, so it makes no sense to keep the name of a famous F model on the plane after you've turned it back into a G model. A lot of people see this and think "oh it's the Memphis Belle." It's not.
Wish they brought back its original Sally B paint scheme as it was very unique. Memphis Belle just has more fame recognition.
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