I randomly came across a "review" of his where he didn't even know how to operate the device he was reviewing. A true RTFM moment. And then he blamed the device. The weird part was the cheerleading from his followers, most of which had never used the device. This hobby brings out a bunch of unhappy people for some reason. Glad I came across your channel and thank you for being generous in sharing your knowledge and experience.
Thanks, Danny for the great videos. I'm about to build my first pair of speakers, I have after listening to you, spent around the same value on Woofers/ Tweeters and Crossover parts. Keep the great information and education coming.
Thanks for the commentary. I am a proud owner of two sets of sub towers, NX-otica and the studio monitors. Love all which I have built. Price performance GR is top notch. My audio journey is a journey and love your passion in making, learning and working with clients.
Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! As always your content is full of knowledge and learned a lot about what to look for in the endless quest of sound setup improvements. While I chose not to believe in power cable differences and break in times, I appreciate your efforts for improvements. In the end how you experience music is all that matters.
My goodness Danny. I had no idea this was happening. I've been fascinated with audio since the mid 50s (yup I am that young). I have learned more about speakers from you than "ANY" other source ...period!!! I've built amps (remember HeathKit?) yada yada.. I love your channel it's educational, fun and for me it creates even more excitement for future sonic adventures ... We are ALL very fortunate to have your experience and knowledge so readily available. 🤙🇨🇦
My first system back in 1977 was a Marantz receiver and Bose 901 series II speakers. I loved that system! So did my friends. It cranked and the music was powerful. I didn’t care about the hiss coming from the cheap eq that came with them. I didn’t care that the sound stage wasn’t perfect. I didn’t care they needed to be turned up to sound good. I loved the concert sound of those speakers. But today, at 60 years old, I now have a taste for a refined, accurate system, with a deep sound stage. B&W provided this since my purchase in 1996. I recently upgraded the crossovers using Danny’s components. OMG! We are back in business! Thank you! I had so much fun learning how to read a schematic and soldering. Very cool and satisfying. Keep it up, Danny. Your work is much appreciated.
I have the B&W DM2000 speakers, Hafler 220 amp and Hafler 110 preamp, I love the Soundstage, imaging and depth. It is hard to believe I purchased this system in 1985 and it still sounds great. Just today I spoke with John Hillig from Musical Concepts from Missouri regarding modifying my amp and preamp. My problem is the room and being able to listen without disturbing others in the house. Cheers
You just keep doing what you do and the expert advice is always appreciated. There will always be some people who are like elementary school students reading a chemistry book and think that they universally Understand Chemistry and all its reactions and chemicals. Remember that 20years ago a cars manual showed you how to adjust valves and such but today it has to mention in Bold "DO NOT DRINK THE BATTERY ACID". LOL. You just keep being you and Thanks for it.
PS I found this in a long document on the net. It says. "However, electrical energy does not travel though the wire as sound travels through air but instead always travels in the space outside of the wires. This is because electric energy is composed of electric and magnetic fields which are created by the moving electrons, but which exist in the space surrounding the wires." So this proves you are RIGHT about cable interference.
Danny, you talked about the KLIPPEL system used by ASR when you were talking about wires. The KLIPPEL system measures loudspeaker performance. Amir uses an Analog Precision unit to measure electronics. This distinction is important.
Danny wishes he had a KLIPPEL system to help design his own speakers. Any speaker builder would. It's the the gold standard for measuring outside of an anechoic chamber.
Hi Danny I do not have the skill set or experience of measuring. From a human point of view I trust your expertise. Please do not stop to help people like me who wish to improve their Speakers. Also please excuse my english. Greetings from Germany
I am 64 year old retired registered Ford Technician. When our Garage sparky was busy With difficult electrical faults. We would fit Tape machines, 8 track, cassette gear. all car audio. He told us when ever possible. DO Not run speaker cables side by side with power cables for the item we fitted and the vehicle looms. Because they can cause electro magnetic equipment interference. I have solved problems due to that with customers with home fitted stereos. So I do not know how modern vehicles get around this Problem when they have 20 speakers. So what you say is true about the cables. Home use as well I try to keep my speaker and microphone cables away from each other. If not then cross power cables at right angles. So you are right again. I am a noob at high end audio. But I am not a noob at facts speak for themselves. Keep up the good work.
I think you are on the right track in your approach. The speaker measurements and upgrades interest me. As do the cables. I am an audiophile on a budget with contact to others who would agree with you who repair and upgrade hifi hear professionally. I enjoy Jbl,Altec and EV speakers of high efficiency with good amps- both tube and transistor. Danny continue to shoot down the flat earther thinking.
Dear Danny, greetings from across the Pond and thank you very much for your informative and entertaining videos. You are very gracious in referring to "Naysayers", I can imagine others using less respectful language. Please keep up the great work, Gordon
Don’t worry about what people say ! Believe in yourself and keep up the good work ! You need to Smile and be Happy ! It’s all going to be fine. Everyone likes your show. Knowledge is Wonderful thing especially when you share it as you have.
I tried the rp600m upgrades, and they made me realize that this is it. U made those speakers sound so good, and now I am waiting for the xls encores, cause I want to have it 100% where the speaker is not held back by the drivers. But still the klipsch upgrades are so good that I would not gamble on any other speaker brands when these already are more than just good speakers now. I am not an audiofile, but klipsch made my ears bleed, and a world of confusion just trying EQ and adding a sub. No matter what I did I could never get a good sound. That was apparent from the beginning that something was off. So much wasted money for something that cant play descent in fase music , something I did not understand at that time. I could only hear that something was off. So thank you. In the future I will probably go for one of your nx speakers for my main livingroom, cause I feel confident that I will only go upp with these speakers
@@dudemanismadcool I cant do blind tests after they are upgraded, but let me tell you something that as a guitarplayer thatIam good at, and that is listening to guitars. I love it, and that leada me to listen to a lot of rock and metal. For a long period I could not get the full enjoyement with this speakers cause guitars and punchynes of the mids were not there as on my headphones or my guitar amp. In the beginning I did not understand why that was and led me through a nighmareish attempt to adjust all settings everywhere on the reciever multiple times. Now it is easy, I can hear clear changes adjusting the EQ pluss when music has great production it some time makeme look up at the speakers when I hear how much more beautifull certain parts sound then before. I Still have a pair of Klipsch r820f which does have the same characteristics as the RP600m. And I hav plugged them in to show friends the difference, cause there is a lot that got better. You know, 2 drivers that are not in fase can be compared to a guitar that is not tuned. A cord sounds bad. And I have a pair of JBL 4312 that cost in the 200 dollar range when they were new that are placed in another room. I have compared them. They are very clear sounding but lack bass. Now my upgraded klipsch beat them on 95 % of the fullrange spectre. They are just a tad bit more detailed, but still the upgraded rp600s have something that I cant describe. They sound mor accurate. They are just better to listen too. And the easiest difference of them all is to turn up the volume quick for friends. With the klipsches, all of my friends kringe their eyes as the sharpness hurts when I do that. This does not happen with my upgrades. They just sound better and better the higher the volume gets. So if you dont believe this, I cant help much, but like I said in my previous message above. If the RP 600s are better as an upgrade, but cant reach full potential with the klipsch drivers, I just have to try the encores. And if they deliver, I am probably never gonna trust another speakerbrand before I hear them personally, cause I have lately noticed that bad sound has infiltrated not even hifi speakers, but also headphones marked and such. Many keep saying it is subjective, but when it gets as bad as klipsch has been, it is just a matter of knowing and understanding what to listen for, and I have a record collection closer to 2000 which I know how it is supposed to sound. The klipsches too away that enjoyement, but now it is back, and the even better then I remember. So there is no doubt in my mind that Danny knows how to elevate the sound correctly. I am not saying the all brands are bad here, but I dont wana take any more chances with my money when this is way more than what I asked for.
@@dudemanismadcool I would also like to add that there are multiple more ways that these speakers got better, but it is hard to remember everything while writing on the fly here. The last thing is that even I dont own a fancy setup I have 2 recievers in 2 different rooms. A Denon and Marantz which I cant remember the model name right now, but they are probably considered budget recievers. I can hear differences there to, but the speakers sound just as good at both, just some minor differences that dont actually take a way any details. Just a tonal difference and maybe more openess on the Marantz, but that might also be the room.
@@dudemanismadcool Actually Amir from ASR (the guy who is the reason this very video exists) has himself measured and recommended the RP600M upgrade kit from GR. This video exists purely because the GR LGK speakers have shit distortion measurements and the owner/designer is butthurt over not being able to bend physics.
Absolute sucker. It's not that I feel bad for you clueless victims, it's that it's annoying to see people KNOWINGLY rip people off. There may be some genuine incompetance around but MOST of these clowns who make a lot of money from you all (like Paul from PS Audio and the MANY MANY like) know full well..... And are simply talented communicators and sales people. Sooner they get shut down people can start putting money where it counts, the most hilarious thing is watching you clowns actually DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM LOL - by jumping around like simps defending them with absolutely MINIMALISTIC, AT BEST, technical undferstanding of audio.
Destroyers of yesterday trying to get to tomorrow, shortcut. The fastly furious tired of the solid state.. asking for mud to build on. The I want it all now for nothing..and these crazies are in charge??
@@Carl-bd1rf .disagree .. good for one not another maybe but when it comes to even all round you miss the point and will miss out on music simbellance and head towards missing out sonically We are all colour blind to minor extent and sonically same…you want more of this colour to make you affecting something else…
@@johnnorris1983 No. Carl is correct. I sold high-end audio for well over a decade. There are so many sonic differences between rooms, room placement, speakers, amps, preamps, and source devices, there is zero reason to "Tweak". Cables, cable risers, skakti stones, beaks, etc are simply a waste of money. Buy them for aesthetic purposes or for the love of the hobby, but sonically, they are bogus products. When asked, no customer if mine, who avidly invested in tweaks, admitted that their tweaks had ever made a difference as bold as simply changing a component.
@@Carl-bd1rf the reviewers got offended for no reason. Danny was right - many do have plenty to learn and aren’t set up for actual reviewing for listening. You don’t have to believe in cables etc. my system and room isn’t refined enough to get to the point yet. But it’s not for everyone and that’s ok. When you have haters coming out of the woodwork telling everyone all you need is an Apple dongle or balanced connections only increase power. Behaving with such vitriol warrants a response and Danny was far more poised and avoided personal insults. ASR has some good info but the blog itself is toxic and nasty asf. The feels like a very bitter space
@@Carl-bd1rf the point of having them come to his place is because his room is tested for listening. He called out other reviewers because those reviewers deserved to be called out. They’re reviewing audio gear is basic rooms no treatment (like I’m not getting dental advice from a guy who practices in his garage) and many haven’t even heard systems at their best potential. So they have no reference point. The reviewers who got upset is because they know he’s right. People are rarely upset by comments and shade that’s not true the anger usually comes when someone strikes a truth nerve. I think they’re overly sensitive to be getting offended by someone who’s resume screams “I have decades more experience than you.” I think they should take up the offer because I believe he does know more than them and he can make them better reviewers. That way I get better information from them.
I dove in with an NX Studio kit a few months ago. Danny told me it would take 400 hours to fully burn in! All I can stay is they are magical. Kudos to Danny and his team. They really do help all us neo-audiophiles to attain a level of performance we wouldn’t be able to get to without spending more than what’s in our wallet. And there is a wonderful sense of personal satisfaction being able to say ‘I built those’.
That's so awesome dude! Can't wait to finish my build and use them in my home studio. I only bought the shell so far and not the parts. What amp are you pairing those bad boys with?
@@Jonathan-ff4wo i am using a tube preamp from 10 Octave and a souped up Carver M 1.0t MKII opt 002 from Nelion Audio with a Sotm Neo streamer and a Border Patrol DAC. And it does take 400 hours!
i used to think similar to the naysayers, but slowly, over time, one by one has fallen by the wayside. Power cables, made a tremendous difference. USB cable for my DAC. Speaker wire. Hi Resolution music. etc. Thank you, and keep doing what you do. I can understand the frustration that you feel.
@@joesshows6793 Yes, they do. I noticed a huge difference in my setup when i got a new power cable. The bass was tighter where it had been boomy before. With that improvement, i ordered another power cable for my DAC, and things sounded worse! Once i realized something was not sounding right, i swapped the new power cables around with each other, and it sounded better once again. It illustrated to me that not only do they make a difference, but where in the chain they are used, also has an effect. In my case, the new power cables were not identical. One was thicker than the other.
@@iamthepapa You are right! As an electronic tech, I fought for years the idea that a power cable could make any difference, but I order three from a company that had a return policy and tried them out. These cables made more of a difference in my system than any interconnects or speaker cables I've ever used. Needless to say, I never sent them back. To this day, I'm not sure how they make a difference, but they do. Even my wife noticed the difference and she didn't even know that I had replaced anything : )
@@iamthepapa I've changed nothing and heard a difference. I've also heard a sound signature based on what I thought was hooked up but realised later that it was in fact the other thing I was comparing. Knowing what's playing can sway you more than most people would like to admit. Why not just make it look pretty and pretend it costs a bomb, you'd probably get the same effect tbh. It's how I'm going to deal with my cables. As long as they are up to scientific standards then I'll go for aesthetics, usability. Saves you money for use on speakers or room treatments or speaker mods etc
@@iamthepapa Interesting! I heard from other reviewers that the interconnect and power cord to the DAC is the major upgrade. If you are to purchase new cables. But Not for you. Have you tried anything else? Standard cables or what? I’m to upgrade soon. Mogami interconnects are installed. Might go for Supra power cords.
Hi Danny, Thank you for the video. The 'other' video popped up on my UA-cam list, I watched and very quickly noticed a few of the things that you mentioned. I just disregarded the 'other' video as bogus and never thought anymore about. I am happy to see this response. I often learn some new technical aspect from your videos and I have been an audiophile for over 40 years. It is clear that I have much to learn from a technical perspective. I have listened to hundreds of systems over the decades and in my experience listing to clarity, the depth and breadth of the soundstage is truly the best measurements of all. I would look at and read the tech specifications but I never had the technical background to evaluate what the specs really meant (if they were even legitimate). It was always the listening that would be the final determining factor. I just wanted to thank you again for your time and effort.
I’ve previously owned speakers by B&W, Polk, Definitive, Klipsch, Gallo, Paradigm, and they all had issues of one sort or another. I’ve been using speakers designed by Danny for over a decade. I have X-SLS, X-Omni, X-Voce, X-Statik, and Super 7. I’ve also had a couple of pairs of X-LS and X-CS and ended up selling them to people who loved them. (Plus, I had too many! ) They continue to impress me even after many years. Danny has very clearly proven to me over and over that he knows his stuff.
I am glad you did this I wanted ro buy the lgk then I saw that review and was wondering I don't know enough about measurements or how to test speakers to actually have an opinion based on measurements so thank you you will be getting my order soon thanks for the video
They'll probably do fine up to a certain point especially if running them full range. But if the linear X max really is only 1mm then you're going to run into issues relatively quickly. I made a similar version of zaphs hivi b3n speaker, it sounds pretty nice, cost is very cheap. Some may find the aluminium driver "boring" though it is a clean sound. It has a heavier coil than the GR driver as there's 3mm of coil excursion. So maybe there's a difference in the midrange to be heard?
@@RennieAsh agreed, I love Danny's work but if they only have 1 mm xmax, then a sub crossed at 120 would def be required for anything above background listening
The upgrades are awesome! There is something to be said about having something working better than it was intended. Modifications are a great way to dive deeper into the hobby and apreatiate the small things that do make a difference. Many small tweaks can really add up to big results. 🔈👍🏻
Thing is, the guy this video is aimed at, owner of ASR, has actually recommended this guy's upgrade kits, ones that measurably improve performance. Danny is butthurt about how badly his "LGK" speakers measure in terms of distortion, hence the cope in this video.
I admit, I always recommend comparing and reviewing speakers as single speakers. Waaaay too much published research in the audio field proving listeners can hear more flaws in a speaker design listening to a single speaker over a stereo pair. Imaging matters, so listening to two speakers should happen at some point in the review, but if there are significant timbre and tonal flaws, who cares about the imaging. Don't believe me, try it for yourself. Compare two pairs of speakers then only compare one of each, you'll never compare in pairs again.
Read their comment again. His point wasn’t that imaging isn’t important, it’s that good imaging doesn’t trump egregious tonal flaws. You just took a phrase of a comment out of context, then followed it with an attack on the poster. Let’s keep it civil!
@@pike3685 literally every single mixing and mastering engineer ever cares about imaging Do you even know what imaging is? Tell us what you think it is.
Because of inspiration from Danny, and WATT Audio, I rebuilt some cheap 1999 RCA three way floor speakers. With some internal bracing, and all new drivers and crossovers, they actually sound decent. I've already put more into them than I originally paid for them. ($500.00 total), they only cost $200.00 for the pair. But hey, most hobbies don't make money, and several friends are totally impressed by the better sound. Actually, I'm impressed if I don't say so myself. So, after all the dust settles, and smoke clears, they pass the ultimate test, and that's the ear test.
I saw the review on the LGK on another channel. I did listen on my LaScallas you “love so much” lol but they sounded beautiful and could not hear that huge distortion he stated Listened many times on 3 different amps and for what they are designed for I really was impressed
LaScala's have among the lowest bass distortion at 90+ dB of any speaker except the Klipschorns and Jubilees. None of them are neutral but boy are they exciting!
GR-Research is my favorite audio brand. I built a pair of X-Statik speakers and they are phenomenal. I don't have a super high-end system, but I am extremely satisfied with it. My teenage kids will have company over to watch a movie and they are blown away by the sound quality. "You built these!?" They'll ask, in awe. I have a couple of 10" subs and rear surrounds (non GR-Research) too.
I'm sorry but you are wrong .....You do have a Super High End System......The one that with sacrifice and effort you have built and it's satisfying to you..... Don't measure your assets based on what it's out there.....Enjoy your System .....👍
Hi Danny, PLEASE do not let these Trolls and The hands off time out generation deter you in what you do. I'm a 1980s hands on tear it apart and put it back together before dad get home and whoops your ass generation guy. What they don't understand is you have forgotten more about audio and design than they will ever know in their lifetime. All they do and know is what they see online, and they call that experience, wow, it's almost funny if it was not so sad. We that know the difference, know it when we see it. You are an industry icon in my humble opinion, up there with Andrew Jones. Just keep feeding us knowledge, we are soaking it up. And thank you for all your hard work, I mean that with all my heart.
Hey Danny - I haven't had the opportunity to be a customer, but I've enjoyed your videos for a while. You're one of the few guys who gets it right and seems to understand the road to better sound, which helps you do it on a reasonable budget, and your good heart leads you to share that info. Everything can effect sound, and sometimes the small changes are hard to hear all by themselves, but like removing one water spot at a time from a window, they add up to give a clearer view. Keep up the great work....the naysayers will always be there, and the internet has given them the opportunity to band together and reinforce their views. That doesn't make them any more right. It's funny how the people who don't know how to setup their systems well, optimize what they have, and/or who can't hear the difference, tend to spend so much time telling you what you can or can't hear. Not everyone in the chorus can sing, or hear that they're off key. Ignore them and forge on!
Measurements aside, I have found that highly accurate and best measuring DACs sound best fed through tube amplifiers. It would be so good to see the guy from ASR on your show or visa versa. Too much war everywhere. Thanks Danny!
I made the mistake of owning two of ASR’s best measuring DACs(one Topping, one SMSL). Both sounded analytical, flat, and dry, compared my current Schiit Modi Multibit, which is more enveloping, but measures worse.
I saw that LGK "Review" and thought what the hell is going on here??! It just didn't make any sense! You absolutely did the right thing Danny by posting this corrective video!
Hello Danny, keep up the great work. Though I'm aware of the "science review" site, I have no interest in their opinion. They've demonstrated that their hobby is measuring things (inadequately,) whereas my hobby is listening. Their aggressive, holier-than-thou attitude is cultish behavior.
Danny , Kirk here. GR Research is Absolutely Phenomenal Company, What you do for All Audiophiles, 🎵🎶 Music Heads is Only and Always to Help us get the best Performance out of the products we already have ! And as a Plus you also offer Kits . Anyone with a Cup of Respect , and a Half lit brain , All know as you said will Always have to listen to the half baked poor souls still running in circles . Keep Kicking It Bro . Those of us who always want to Improve our sound Will Always be Straight up Right behind you . KIRK'OUT'PEACE
Hi, I live in Norway and love to watch your informative videos. I have been into hifi at least 50 years and still have a lot to learn as learning is an ongoing process that lasts a lifetime. Please keep up your good work and disregard the naysayers. The Germans have a perfect word for that kind of people , they say besserwisser meaning a person who thinks he or she knows everything better than anyone else. Looking forward to new videos. Tor Damsleth.
I’ve been into audio for 37 years and installed audio/video systems for 27 years. I know you know what you’re talking about. Haters are gonna hate. Keep up the fantastic work.
I have 2 triple ob subs I purchased from Danny. Just amazing, complementing Magnepan speakers which Amir thinks are junk. As an engineer, I have known many technologists who made the wrong decisions based on misinterpretation of what they thought was irrefutable scientific data. Amir is a perfect example of this. Danny, thanks for all you do for us.
i not seen any frequency graphs any test equipment just a lot of talk which is fine only where's the frequency graphs with the actual testing in the videos .
Its funny, youtube steered me to that "review" just yesterday. I picked up some of the errors, but thanks for explaining it in detail. I learned stuff here today.
You wouldn't sell Admir a pair of speakers for review and that doesn't scream confidence in the quality of your speaker. What were you so worried about?
Lol 😂 Admin ( The one with the geisha girl photo) a numbers only guy. He can’t even Measure components correctly. He just can’t even understand. Just can’t talk logic to a log 🪵 If we’re talking about the same guy.
@@coldfinger459sub0 what do you test electrical components with, a dipstick? Yep, dem numbers en stuff is right darn confusin'. Ain't nothing wrong with eating lead based paint chips. Makes my Cardas cables sound better.
@@scotteaton4868 I liked chewing on the white lead-based paint in my crib it was sweet. I like the higher distortion numbers of the class A amplifiers and preamplifiers I build thank you very much. I remember one specific amplifier he measured that he loaded it wrong with the wrong 4 ohm load, When specifically the descriptions and instructions for the amplifier was designed for a 8 ohm load. The specific amplifier was designed and well worded documented that it was meant to be used with a preamplifier at a specific gain. Amongst many other things he totally brushed over and ignored before performing his test. And he tested exactly the way that would make it measure the worst and then published it. And then scrutinized and talked about his shortcomings after his measurements the guy‘s a joke. Buddy you own some good equipment for measurement You could lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink You can give a guy a good tool doesn’t mean he knows how to use it right or understand
Totally agree with you about the sound clips. They almost don't sound like it's playback of the recording. They sound so much like the recording! Well done on the sound samples. Really appreciate you putting them together.
I believe most people do not understand metrics or measurements, or precession or accuracy. Simply determining what to measure… how to measure… in what context… is none trivial & requires time & experience. I used to manage High Performance Computing systems… one aspect of my job was monitoring…. You monitor for a lot of different reasons… you have a myriad of things you can measure… simply learning what’s useful or meaningful to monitor required a tremendous amount of work… over time… took me a year or more before I had a set of metrics that were worthwhile & continually need to update. Most people have a difficult time even understanding what is being measured…. Mine was a digital environment… so, much easier than the analog environment you operate in… I go into some data centers where they have a wall of cool graphs…. Realize, they’re really not telling you very much… but they sure look cool! Anyway, I’m a person that has been dubious concerning some of your ‘Snake Oil’ … after building a few of your kits, your not wrong… I used to think the NoRez & Tube connectors were expensive for what they are… Yeah, completely reversed my opinion. Having watched numerous videos you’ve published… I’ve come to really trust your ear… & your opinions…. That is, if Danny says it’s worthwhile… I’ll assume it is till proven wrong…
Built my x statics this winter... took a risk on yall... and couldn't be happier. They are truly amazing. Anyone who bags on you guys? Either doesn't know what their talking about or is just being a troll
I will say... one key with gr research speakers... they're very sensitive to what you drive em with. You Gotta have a clean source and a decent class A or tube amp to even really touch what they actually can sound like... good thing is they can crush a large room with my little 15w pass labs kit amps. They don't sound as good with my much bigger emotiva amp. Louder... but not better..
This is, sorry, this is a cop-out."If you disagree w me you are a stupid dumb dumb head" Make an argument. This is a blanket contradiction making yourself the one true decider and provayer of truth... do you real think you are the only one qualified and that all others need to be dismissed with such an all incompassing statement? Sounds like a mind defending its core values that gover your sanity and sense of self and if Danny Richy is found to be untrue and his products are not the best your world will collapse. They are speakers man you like them you get joy from them someone else opinion should stop that.
As always Danny you deserve a big thank you from those of us who appreciate direction. There's a saying that says "you can't fix stupid". You also can't help people who don't want to be helped. My point is, keep doing what you love. AKA what you do. The people who tune in regularly know what your trying to do for us. The haters fall into the "can't be fixed" should be left in the stupid pool. These people cry about everything from everybody. They bounce from channel to channel spewing thier rant. If they had any brains they would have a following that would keep them too busy to whine. So again... Thank You.
I installed the GRR crossover in my Dynaudio Special 40’s and am VERY pleased with the results. But it was definitely a risk as the only to tell if a particular component or change will sound good to you is to listen in your system and room. Measurements can give you a general idea, but they don’t factor in your system, room, or musical preferences. I also can’t tell if I’ll like a recipe based on the ingredients alone, or a vehicle based on specifications alone. With that said, I really appreciate GRR for his honesty, approach, and my S40 crossover.
Problem with your upgrades Danny is the manner in which you seem to disparage the original manufacturer without acknowledging the business overheads that you don't have so where would you expect them to make the compromises? Can you design, build, ship and give dealer profits and also make a profit yourself for the same money.?? I doubt it. By all means give an upgrade but don't slag off the OG whilst doing so...its really not a good look and you are better than that.
If the manufacturer did a better job at start and not letting accounting control the end product. Then all customers wouldn’t send speakers to Danny for test and possible upgrades. Do you say the same thing to a tuning firm that does upgrade kits for a Mustang or Corvette?
@@rikardekvall3433 you've clearly never run a business. And yes, this is the same for ANY product....if you want to run business without an accountant then good luck. You price every component if you're aiming at a price. If price was no object all audio gear would be magico, wilson audio prices and you'd be complaining you couldn't afford them. Get with the real world of business.
I’ve heard him say numerous times that he understands that the manufacturer is striving to hit a price point. He’s given all indication that he thoroughly understands the business practices needed for The production of the originally manufactured products. However, he is trying to explain in each case why the owner of the speakers may not have been satisfied and therefore sent them in for modification. Not uncommon is the use of lower quality crossover parts. These will cost more than what the manufacturer could employ while trying to hit a price point. But the speaker owner who submitted them for modification could now hopefully be quite happy with the sound of the modified speaker.
@@greenbeginner3353 I agree but then just state that "this is where they've saved on production cost" don't call the components "cheesy" etc. It's disparaging and unnecessary and gives the impression that the manufacturer is somehow ripping the customer off....it's the manner of description that I have the issue with , not the upgrade itself.
The majority of the loudspeaker industry knows that slick marketing sells, not actual performance. With almost no HiFi brick and mortar locations buyers are unable to actually listen. Heck, when HiFi stores were plentiful only a small percentage of buyers visited. The large loudspeaker companies know they can get away with selling a great looking exterior that contains the cheapest of everything. That is the real "snake oil" in the audio business.
As a musician I have to trust my own judgment. No one I know or even know of buys instruments on measurements alone. I apply the same principle to audio gear. I've heard how better parts allow greater transparency even when they measure the same.
Musicians are trying to create a sound. Audiophiles are trying to re-produce a sound. Though it would seem that many would rather be musicians, fiddling with tonal balance of amplifiers, different speakers, playing around with stuff that supposedly changes the sound.
@@naelgorgees1726 Nael-I have the Zu Omens as well! What upgrades did you utilize from GR? I have upgraded other brands from them but never thought about Zu’s. Thx!
Danny, your patience is one of the things that makes you so effective as both a designer and a communicator. As a designer in the pro audio space for more than 20 years I've seen many similar misunderstandings about what measurements are, how to make them and how to read them (and what they're useful for!). The only thing we can do is try to educate people, but it's a slow process and some days it's hard to want to take the time and effort for people who don't appear to even be interested in anything other than their own preconceived notions. I would have laughed all the way through this if it wasn't so sad to see someone spend so much money for a negative return. Expensive measurement tools don't make you an audio expert any more than buying a grand piano will make me a concert pianist!
Yeah. People like to think that skimming some theory and buying test gear is a shortcut knowledge that will avoid any actual work... But there is no substitute for years of hands-on experience.
This guy answers emails phone calls and letters. That’s crazy. That’s effing dedication. Because he answered my email about something for about $400 I spent over a thousand. My Rp280f and Rp 8000f now sound amazing.
Hmm, interesting. Why did you even bother Danny ? If you're going to put product out there, then you're gonna get critique, either positive or negative for any number of reasons - ya gotta have a thick skin in this business. I watch both you guys channels and whilst I do not fully agree with ASR's measuremenrts o only based approach, I would never go so far as to say he does not know how to use the measuring equipment or interpret the results. You guys measure things differently and as such, there are going to be some differences in the results derived. But your reaction to ASR's somewhat not so p[ositive review of the LGK is surprising, seeing as how you dish out the same to many well known and respected speaker manufacturers in your speaker upgrade posts. BTW, a fully finished pair of the LGK shipped to Canada with taxes and duties, I'm assuming would be around $1250 US which equates around CA $1620. For an extra CA $400 it's possibke to get a pair of the 85th Anniversary Wharfedale Lintons. Given that, I wonder what the choice would be here.
There is no measure differently - Amir either willfully or ignorantly borks his measurments. Seems to me to be the former tho since he is working very closely with a certain chifi consortium.
@@mariodrv Hey listen man, I am not in either camp, I just follow what my ears tell me, and they never lie. One thing I will say thoguh is this - it is one thing to make accusations and throw dirt around if you have the proof to back it up, which is what you seem to be doing here. But if you ain't got nothing to back it up, then perhaps it's best to keep an open mind about all things audio and let your ears be the judge. That way nobody gets offended, nobody feels judged and everyone is happy.
@@chutgowdingo-loon3212 There already exists STRONG indications for everything I stated, enough to raise suspicions at the least. Nobody gets offended and nothing changes. Somebody has to be in the wrong for the other being right. Who can't stand to be judged should not leave their parents basement. Striving for happyness is synonymous with a stagnating status quo - the enemy of betterment and ultimatly progress. Please cut it out with tha neo-hippy bullcrap.
@@mariodrv Ha ha !! You are too funny. Nobody gets offended ?? Sounds to me like you are. Everyone's entitled to have an opinion. It does'nt matter to me whether it's for or against, negative or positive. But I don't put a label on you for having an opinion that may be different from mine, so perhaps you could take some of the advice you so readily dish out and lije you say, cut the bullcrap. And have a nice day too. Cheers.
I knew there would be some take-away quips and Danny did not disappoint with this one> "It's not that there is a distortion problem in the driver; there is a distortion problem with the operator." LOL
I totally agree on the distortion point. When I tried to measure the distortion of my DIY speaker, it was so difficult. Any slight background noise will make the distortion level shooting up. Anechoic chamber is a must to get accurate speaker distortion measurement.
@@bbfoto7248 Already seen that. If you pay attention to his video, his distortion measurements are done in a setting simulating in an anechoic environment. So I would say his distortion measurements are more realistic as compared to those shown in ASR.
@@bbfoto7248 Obviously that shows you did not watch the deleted video from Erin. He mentioned although ASR is using the same system but different setting for distortion measurement.
@@Danny, Sorry to say - to me - this was one of the more informative videos I have seen from you of late. I feel the whys are as important as whats and this video had lots of whys. Reminds me of the 'Tech Talk' days - Thanks
I bought you're speaker wire and built the cable. It took some time but it was the most fun I ever had with HI FI. So you.re saying the earth is not flat?
Will trust you forever, not because you say so. Because I have bought a few of your products and I am ALWAYS blown away by how good they all are. Thanks Danny for making all this attainable for me. You're the best!
Measurements done correctly are important, helpful and interesting. "Correctly" being the operative. In my opinion, you have to have equal parts objective and subjective to get to the truth and I think that gets lost far to often in the audio industry. Nice response Danny.
Are you an illiterate moron looking for an arguement? Yes, OF COURSE you are. Go ahead and measure and let a line graph determine how you spend your money. Might as well bury your head under a rock. How many times did you edit that comment to get it just right? (EDIT: It seems that the anonymous coward that I replied to either deleted his comment attacking my opinion above or it was moderated out. I'm not arguing with myself here, I promise.🤪)
I’m sorry to say but you really aren’t worth it my time and effort to explain. Believe me I can give a complete dissertation on this subject. Danny is correct as well as many audio engineers out there in the world. That’s all I got to say.
Agreed. This is why people don’t “test” the taste of wine with equipment of some kind, they actually taste it. Our ability to test a speaker is no where near our brain’s ability to process and “hear” the sound. I don’t have expensive cables, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think people can hear the difference. All these people that swear that if you can’t test it you can’t hear it should all go watch Ford v Ferrari. There is a scene where the engineers tell the driver they have done a bunch of tests and determined the optimal down force and suspension settings. The driver, using no test equipment other than his own brain tells them they are wrong, that he can “feel” the difference and he is proven to be correct. I am not against testing, but you have to use that in conjunction with actual listening.
@@WillyLax24 Our ears are not very trustworthy test instruments at all. In face, they're consistently untrustworthy. There's a study showing that placebo through suggestion can even impact how people perceive something as sensitive as hearing aids. I can safely say that anyone who says they can tell a difference between cables is full of shit unless they can bring forth consistent test results during an ABX.
Hi from Hiroshima, Danny. Really enjoy your videos and advice. Integrity, experience and plain, simple honesty seems to be anathema to those trolls whose goals seem to come from some personal lack of confidence and have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders. Forget them, you're really passing on so much valuable information to audiophiles on all scales of budget. all the very best, G. (orig. from Scotland.)
They're just looking to prove their pre-formed opinions, rather than disprove them. That's malpractice, and they don't even know what they're doing to begin with. I appreciate the comparison to flat-earthers, because they do the same. I've personally since cut ties with the site, and refuse to mention their name any longer. Thank you for being one of the few voices worth hearing in the crowd of noise, it does not go unnoticed.
Well said, and I agree. Danny is benefiting the audio industry sharing to the world a lifetime of knowledge and research through his videos, why knock the guy for working hard and being true!
(SPT Auto) Who exactly are you talking about when you're saying all of this? (who is "they"?) (Also, who are you thanking at the end?) This was a confusing comment because it doesn't make it clear who you're talking about or what your exact message is.
@@JoeJ-8282 Talking about AudioScienceReviews, and thanking GR Research... I was trying my best not to have to say ASR's name 🤷♂️ but since you asked. ASR has now lost their credibility, if they hadn't already.
@@dihydrotestosterone Pre-formed opinions that influenced intentionally measuring products incorrectly to make them look bad, in worst-case scenarios, and still getting crazy good results. ASR doesn't even know how to properly extract data from their measurements yet, let alone use them in a "review".
Unfortunately we all heard the distortion. And well below 80dB. (And Amir has explained why he uses one speaker only. He’s linked academic papers to why on some of his videos too.)
I honestly don’t understand how a well explained, well argued summation that is backed up with data can be considered a hit job. He even complemented quite a few aspects of the kit. You don’t have a lot to stand on if you’re saying that you’re the only one who knows better. You decry the uneducated, inexperienced reviewer who listens to a speaker in an untreated room with modest gear. Then you whine about an engineer with expensive gear taking objective measurements. The whole time telling everyone how bad other manufacturers are. Pretty damn hypocritical.
@@MrDS75 Maybe you should watch my latest video explaining the situation. There was milacid intent to defraud. Drivers were deliberately over driver. He didn't know how to read his own measurements, etc.
thanks for the video......I honestly......as a customer.....trust your work.....passion.....and invested time to help the audiophiles like me ....that don't have thousands of dollars to spend but would like to really get the most from what we buy....in this case speakers.....At the end there is always some business involved but it is what it is.....get the best possible sound with the minimum reasonable investment.....at least for me....
just watched a few of asr vids. he is compelling but you just showed me exactly where he missed the boat. for a brief moment i thought he had something on you but you had a lot more knowledge than he expected i think.
It shouldn't even be sport..... it's a skill, and/or a pastime. I hate the word hobby, but it is that too. Sport implies people competing with each other, and I don't see how MY audio system in my own home is competing with anybody else.
@@TheMirolab Your audio system isn't, but people running on emotions are currently "competing" with each other across these audio channels, in a destructive kind of way. Perhaps it is actually war...
“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” - Thomas Paine
I appreciate the content provided by both GR Research and by ASR. I will more than likely build a kit of yours upon my retirement. If nothing else these videos continue to serve to elevate the technical discourse. You both have different opinions and perspectives; I'm lucky enough to be able to take the best that I can understand and enjoy. I can certainly appreciate the years of experience that you have, and I appreciate your reviews, modifications, and kit assembly videos. Thank you.
Very funny stuff Danny,i gotta go to Advance auto and ask for blinker fluid as a joke,too funny man.Danny can't wait for your next creation to rival the Klh five,or the ,770 using that eight inch driver.Your the best dude,keep doing ehat you do.
When wiring Industrial machines is standard practice to separate high voltage A/C wiring from control wires to prevent the AC wire from inducing a voltage (noise) in the control wiring. If you have to cross the two sets of wires you need to cross at 90 degrees. The same physics apply to audio wires.
Tin eared haters need to find a new hobby...what you do is a huge benefit to audiophiles everywhere. Turning medium cost speakers into high end for a fraction of the cost is something that allows access to great sound at a price most can afford without taking out a 2nd mortgage. I've been upgrading crossovers and cabinets on vintage and contemporary speakers for years and the differences aren't small. You and your company have made it easy for anyone to do so and it's greatly appreciated.
That is the reason I watch to learn and I am learning,some conflicted things here are there but is to be expected when you watch different channels, something though there are ways of saying the same thing,I think even you agree that everyone can learn new things
There's a reason that computer cables went from CAT3-CAT7, and all network cables are shielded. The numbers represent twists per foot in the cable to create an electronic shield to defend against RF interfering with the transmission of data. No difference with audio. I made speaker wire from triple braided cat5 cables 20 years ago.
Love it, you're so right, I get abuse on my channel, most of the snake oil police, have very poor hearing, that's why they can't hear the differences, great video, keep up the good work👍
The best cable is no cable, the best amp is no amp, the best speaker is no speaker, the best mic is no mic. All this to say that recorded music is just a copy of the real thing. Therefore like a HD TV set, equipment is only trying to get out of the way as much as possible, true hifi equipment that is. No company will throw millions of dollars into their speakers only to have them not have a signature sound. The ONLY to get a speaker or equipment to get out of the way, is to build it and bypass the corporate bs. Come on guys. Don't be lead astray by blind fools. Danny and his crew and Ron are the source of truth, pun intended. Luv you guys!
The audio science guy just did a review of your klipsh upgrade and it was a glowing review. So i expect you'll be seeing a lot more orders for that kit soon.
The ASR guy does a pretty objective, thorough analysis of speakers, equipment, and cables - without the bias that Danny is suggesting. If a GR upgrade is worthwhile, ASR is going to publish a positive recommendation, simple as that. Have you seen the review of the LGK speaker? Not so good, and it's not just measurement based, it's just a poor-sounding system. You can hear the recorded distortion from the speaker that supports the measured numbers. It's kinda sad that Danny feels like ASR is out to get him and his products, when really what's happening are unbiased, objective reviews that just show the actual performance, whether good or bad. Problem is, Danny doesn't like when a review is bad, so he just disagrees, suggests the reviewer doesn't know what they're doing, and expects us to believe that "it just sounds fantastic", because he says so. What we can learn from watching unbiased reviews from ASR and others is this: some of GR's products are good, and some aren't. As much as Danny wants it to be true, not ALL of his products are good enough to compete against better-sounding systems for the same money. His defending of the LGK is a perfect example of this.
@@vanwiseman BS. What the asr guy did is like putting a Ferrari in reverse and driving it at redline then saying see this Ferrari handles like shit, it makes all kinds of strange noises that shouldn’t be there and visibility out the back window is so poor, I don’t know what those hack Italian engineers were thinking??? This overpriced two seat sports car shouldn’t even be produced. No one will ever buy it. See I told you guys Ferrari sucks. And people believe him!
@@clarencelim212 I don't get the analogy. Maybe I'm stupid. Maybe you are grasping at straws. My direct interactions w Danny, I found him arrogant and dismissive. I felt I had to be proven worthy to purchase his products (reminded me of the soup natzy) I have built his speakers the plans were shit and the completed product was less than what I had previously for a system... an old used lcr mission speakers. I'm sure I built them wrong if you are trying to defend Danny. In short after a long time of wanting to believe, I am now convinced the emperor has no clothes. I found it hypocritical that the kit I purchased had magnetic metal in the signal path. People that are right don't waist there time on naysayers the know right will prevail in the end. These videos defending himself are desperate and his attacks on the critics sound like he is trying to still convert himself to what he is selling, afraid the world will think he is a fraud. ( one man's opinion).
This is a great example of a worth while mod Danny offers. It also shows that ASR is not just across the board out to get Danny as he seems to think. Amir’s recommendations are always in line with the measurements.
Excellent video and you've provided insight to and on a number of key points. The over-arching conclusion that I've come to regarding the folks you're referring to is that they suffer from Dunning-Kruger Effect (ref here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect). And, they prove it over and over and over again. Your mention of not even connecting the other end of the power cable is a perfect example of that.
To the trolls, Sibelius single driver by Harley Lovegrove mark audio inside must be a even bigger paper weight. test to see if its linear, sounds so good. But a different approach than Danny. A pair around 200 for the 2 drivers 4300 for the rest.
I randomly came across a "review" of his where he didn't even know how to operate the device he was reviewing. A true RTFM moment. And then he blamed the device. The weird part was the cheerleading from his followers, most of which had never used the device. This hobby brings out a bunch of unhappy people for some reason. Glad I came across your channel and thank you for being generous in sharing your knowledge and experience.
Thanks, Danny for the great videos. I'm about to build my first pair of speakers, I have after listening to you, spent around the same value on Woofers/ Tweeters and Crossover parts. Keep the great information and education coming.
Thanks for the commentary. I am a proud owner of two sets of sub towers, NX-otica and the studio monitors. Love all which I have built. Price performance GR is top notch. My audio journey is a journey and love your passion in making, learning and working with clients.
Thank you.
How do you have them setup? 2 separate 2 channel setups or all together in a multichannel setup?
Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! As always your content is full of knowledge and learned a lot about what to look for in the endless quest of sound setup improvements. While I chose not to believe in power cable differences and break in times, I appreciate your efforts for improvements. In the end how you experience music is all that matters.
My goodness Danny. I had no idea this was happening. I've been fascinated with audio
since the mid 50s (yup I am that young). I have learned more about speakers from you
than "ANY" other source ...period!!! I've built amps (remember HeathKit?) yada yada..
I love your channel it's educational, fun and for me it creates even more excitement for
future sonic adventures ... We are ALL very fortunate to have your experience and knowledge
so readily available. 🤙🇨🇦
Thank you.
My first system back in 1977 was a Marantz receiver and Bose 901 series II speakers. I loved that system! So did my friends. It cranked and the music was powerful. I didn’t care about the hiss coming from the cheap eq that came with them. I didn’t care that the sound stage wasn’t perfect. I didn’t care they needed to be turned up to sound good. I loved the concert sound of those speakers.
But today, at 60 years old, I now have a taste for a refined, accurate system, with a deep sound stage. B&W provided this since my purchase in 1996.
I recently upgraded the crossovers using Danny’s components. OMG! We are back in business! Thank you! I had so much fun learning how to read a schematic and soldering. Very cool and satisfying.
Keep it up, Danny. Your work is much appreciated.
Thank you.
I have the B&W DM2000 speakers, Hafler 220 amp and Hafler 110 preamp, I love the Soundstage, imaging and depth. It is hard to believe I purchased this system in 1985 and it still sounds great. Just today I spoke with John Hillig from Musical Concepts from Missouri regarding modifying my amp and preamp. My problem is the room and being able to listen without disturbing others in the house. Cheers
You just keep doing what you do and the expert advice is always appreciated. There will always be some people who are like elementary school students reading a chemistry book and think that they universally Understand Chemistry and all its reactions and chemicals. Remember that 20years ago a cars manual showed you how to adjust valves and such but today it has to mention in Bold "DO NOT DRINK THE BATTERY ACID". LOL. You just keep being you and Thanks for it.
and there is dogs out there yelping . ua-cam.com/video/-UfUSnIwxGw/v-deo.html
PS I found this in a long document on the net. It says. "However, electrical energy does not travel though the wire as sound travels through air but instead always travels in the space outside of the wires. This is because electric energy is composed of electric and magnetic fields which are created by the moving electrons, but which exist in the space surrounding the wires." So this proves you are RIGHT about cable interference.
Danny, you talked about the KLIPPEL system used by ASR when you were talking about wires. The KLIPPEL system measures loudspeaker performance. Amir uses an Analog Precision unit to measure electronics. This distinction is important.
Dude, all these tools are commonly known. :) He assume you know what tool will be used for what measurements.
Danny wishes he had a KLIPPEL system to help design his own speakers. Any speaker builder would. It's the the gold standard for measuring outside of an anechoic chamber.
Hi Danny I do not have the skill set or experience of measuring.
From a human point of view I trust your expertise. Please do not stop to help people like me who wish to improve their Speakers. Also please excuse my english. Greetings from Germany
Thank you.
Danny does not have adequate test gear either or knowledge of experience but that does not stop him.
You always catch the most flack, when you’re over the target..bombs away..keep up the great work
I am 64 year old retired registered Ford Technician. When our Garage sparky was busy With difficult electrical faults. We would fit Tape machines, 8 track, cassette gear. all car audio. He told us when ever possible. DO Not run speaker cables side by side with power cables for the item we fitted and the vehicle looms. Because they can cause electro magnetic equipment interference. I have solved problems due to that with customers with home fitted stereos. So I do not know how modern vehicles get around this Problem when they have 20 speakers. So what you say is true about the cables. Home use as well I try to keep my speaker and microphone cables away from each other. If not then cross power cables at right angles. So you are right again. I am a noob at high end audio. But I am not a noob at facts speak for themselves. Keep up the good work.
Sometimes one's own medicine is the hardest to stomach
Nelson's speakers DO look phenomenal! Congrats, Nelson, absolutely gorgeous cabinet work! 🐱👤👍
I think you are on the right track in your approach. The speaker measurements and upgrades interest me. As do the cables. I am an audiophile on a budget with contact to others who would agree with you who repair and upgrade hifi hear professionally. I enjoy Jbl,Altec and EV speakers of high efficiency with good amps- both tube and transistor. Danny continue to shoot down the flat earther thinking.
Thank you so much for you response. I'm a designer and a fan of your work. Thank you so much. Very informative video. Best regards from Argentina
Thank you for all the time that you spent explaining all this info, Danny!
Dear Danny, greetings from across the Pond and thank you very much for your informative and entertaining videos. You are very gracious in referring to "Naysayers", I can imagine others using less respectful language.
Please keep up the great work,
Gordon
Don’t worry about what people say ! Believe in yourself and keep up the good work ! You need to Smile and be Happy ! It’s all going to be fine. Everyone likes your show. Knowledge is Wonderful thing especially when you share it as you have.
I tried the rp600m upgrades, and they made me realize that this is it. U made those speakers sound so good, and now I am waiting for the xls encores, cause I want to have it 100% where the speaker is not held back by the drivers. But still the klipsch upgrades are so good that I would not gamble on any other speaker brands when these already are more than just good speakers now.
I am not an audiofile, but klipsch made my ears bleed, and a world of confusion just trying EQ and adding a sub. No matter what I did I could never get a good sound. That was apparent from the beginning that something was off. So much wasted money for something that cant play descent in fase music , something I did not understand at that time. I could only hear that something was off. So thank you. In the future I will probably go for one of your nx speakers for my main livingroom, cause I feel confident that I will only go upp with these speakers
Thank you.
DId you do double blind tests to confirm they did improve? If not, were there objective measurements showing discernible changes?
@@dudemanismadcool I cant do blind tests after they are upgraded, but let me tell you something that as a guitarplayer thatIam good at, and that is listening to guitars. I love it, and that leada me to listen to a lot of rock and metal. For a long period I could not get the full enjoyement with this speakers cause guitars and punchynes of the mids were not there as on my headphones or my guitar amp. In the beginning I did not understand why that was and led me through a nighmareish attempt to adjust all settings everywhere on the reciever multiple times. Now it is easy, I can hear clear changes adjusting the EQ pluss when music has great production it some time makeme look up at the speakers when I hear how much more beautifull certain parts sound then before. I Still have a pair of Klipsch r820f which does have the same characteristics as the RP600m. And I hav plugged them in to show friends the difference, cause there is a lot that got better.
You know, 2 drivers that are not in fase can be compared to a guitar that is not tuned. A cord sounds bad.
And I have a pair of JBL 4312 that cost in the 200 dollar range when they were new that are placed in another room. I have compared them. They are very clear sounding but lack bass. Now my upgraded klipsch beat them on 95 % of the fullrange spectre. They are just a tad bit more detailed, but still the upgraded rp600s have something that I cant describe. They sound mor accurate. They are just better to listen too. And the easiest difference of them all is to turn up the volume quick for friends. With the klipsches, all of my friends kringe their eyes as the sharpness hurts when I do that. This does not happen with my upgrades. They just sound better and better the higher the volume gets. So if you dont believe this, I cant help much, but like I said in my previous message above. If the RP 600s are better as an upgrade, but cant reach full potential with the klipsch drivers, I just have to try the encores. And if they deliver, I am probably never gonna trust another speakerbrand before I hear them personally, cause I have lately noticed that bad sound has infiltrated not even hifi speakers, but also headphones marked and such. Many keep saying it is subjective, but when it gets as bad as klipsch has been, it is just a matter of knowing and understanding what to listen for, and I have a record collection closer to 2000 which I know how it is supposed to sound. The klipsches too away that enjoyement, but now it is back, and the even better then I remember. So there is no doubt in my mind that Danny knows how to elevate the sound correctly.
I am not saying the all brands are bad here, but I dont wana take any more chances with my money when this is way more than what I asked for.
@@dudemanismadcool I would also like to add that there are multiple more ways that these speakers got better, but it is hard to remember everything while writing on the fly here. The last thing is that even I dont own a fancy setup I have 2 recievers in 2 different rooms. A Denon and Marantz which I cant remember the model name right now, but they are probably considered budget recievers. I can hear differences there to, but the speakers sound just as good at both, just some minor differences that dont actually take a way any details. Just a tonal difference and maybe more openess on the Marantz, but that might also be the room.
@@dudemanismadcool Actually Amir from ASR (the guy who is the reason this very video exists) has himself measured and recommended the RP600M upgrade kit from GR.
This video exists purely because the GR LGK speakers have shit distortion measurements and the owner/designer is butthurt over not being able to bend physics.
Fantastic work Danny and GR Research team, loved this response video, it was needed! Look forward to more fun videos!
Absolute sucker. It's not that I feel bad for you clueless victims, it's that it's annoying to see people KNOWINGLY rip people off. There may be some genuine incompetance around but MOST of these clowns who make a lot of money from you all (like Paul from PS Audio and the MANY MANY like) know full well..... And are simply talented communicators and sales people.
Sooner they get shut down people can start putting money where it counts, the most hilarious thing is watching you clowns actually DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM LOL - by jumping around like simps defending them with absolutely MINIMALISTIC, AT BEST, technical undferstanding of audio.
Hi
Please can you tell them to shortest.
Thanks
@@naelgorgees1726 I am Groot.....
This is delicious! Way more funny than almost every comedy I have ever seen. 😂
I nearly laughed my bu## off.
Keep up the good work.
Greetings.
Martin
Greetings from Scotland 🏴 bout time you came out swinging man, audio science my arse!
Well said man! Audio isn't science 🤣 the device I'm writing on, wasn't scientifically measured to function as we wanted 👏👏👏
👍🙂
Been building for 30+ years, your comments and design philosophy are 100% correct. The haters will never know or design a good sounding speaker
Destroyers of yesterday trying to get to tomorrow, shortcut. The fastly furious tired of the solid state.. asking for mud to build on.
The I want it all now for nothing..and these crazies are in charge??
@@Carl-bd1rf .disagree .. good for one not another maybe but when it comes to even all round you miss the point and will miss out on music simbellance and head towards missing out sonically
We are all colour blind to minor extent and sonically same…you want more of this colour to make you affecting something else…
@@johnnorris1983 No. Carl is correct. I sold high-end audio for well over a decade. There are so many sonic differences between rooms, room placement, speakers, amps, preamps, and source devices, there is zero reason to "Tweak". Cables, cable risers, skakti stones, beaks, etc are simply a waste of money. Buy them for aesthetic purposes or for the love of the hobby, but sonically, they are bogus products. When asked, no customer if mine, who avidly invested in tweaks, admitted that their tweaks had ever made a difference as bold as simply changing a component.
@@Carl-bd1rf the reviewers got offended for no reason. Danny was right - many do have plenty to learn and aren’t set up for actual reviewing for listening.
You don’t have to believe in cables etc. my system and room isn’t refined enough to get to the point yet. But it’s not for everyone and that’s ok.
When you have haters coming out of the woodwork telling everyone all you need is an Apple dongle or balanced connections only increase power. Behaving with such vitriol warrants a response and Danny was far more poised and avoided personal insults. ASR has some good info but the blog itself is toxic and nasty asf. The feels like a very bitter space
@@Carl-bd1rf the point of having them come to his place is because his room is tested for listening. He called out other reviewers because those reviewers deserved to be called out. They’re reviewing audio gear is basic rooms no treatment (like I’m not getting dental advice from a guy who practices in his garage) and many haven’t even heard systems at their best potential. So they have no reference point. The reviewers who got upset is because they know he’s right. People are rarely upset by comments and shade that’s not true the anger usually comes when someone strikes a truth nerve. I think they’re overly sensitive to be getting offended by someone who’s resume screams “I have decades more experience than you.” I think they should take up the offer because I believe he does know more than them and he can make them better reviewers. That way I get better information from them.
I dove in with an NX Studio kit a few months ago. Danny told me it would take 400 hours to fully burn in! All I can stay is they are magical. Kudos to Danny and his team. They really do help all us neo-audiophiles to attain a level of performance we wouldn’t be able to get to without spending more than what’s in our wallet. And there is a wonderful sense of personal satisfaction being able to say ‘I built those’.
Thank you.
That's so awesome dude! Can't wait to finish my build and use them in my home studio. I only bought the shell so far and not the parts. What amp are you pairing those bad boys with?
@@Jonathan-ff4wo i am using a tube preamp from 10 Octave and a souped up Carver M 1.0t MKII opt 002 from Nelion Audio with a Sotm Neo streamer and a Border Patrol DAC. And it does take 400 hours!
i used to think similar to the naysayers, but slowly, over time, one by one has fallen by the wayside. Power cables, made a tremendous difference. USB cable for my DAC. Speaker wire. Hi Resolution music. etc. Thank you, and keep doing what you do. I can understand the frustration that you feel.
No…no they don’t unless it’s an extremely specific application. Speaker wire yes. Power wire no.
@@joesshows6793 Yes, they do. I noticed a huge difference in my setup when i got a new power cable. The bass was tighter where it had been boomy before. With that improvement, i ordered another power cable for my DAC, and things sounded worse! Once i realized something was not sounding right, i swapped the new power cables around with each other, and it sounded better once again. It illustrated to me that not only do they make a difference, but where in the chain they are used, also has an effect. In my case, the new power cables were not identical. One was thicker than the other.
@@iamthepapa You are right! As an electronic tech, I fought for years the idea that a power cable could make any difference, but I order three from a company that had a return policy and tried them out. These cables made more of a difference in my system than any interconnects or speaker cables I've ever used. Needless to say, I never sent them back. To this day, I'm not sure how they make a difference, but they do. Even my wife noticed the difference and she didn't even know that I had replaced anything : )
@@iamthepapa I've changed nothing and heard a difference.
I've also heard a sound signature based on what I thought was hooked up but realised later that it was in fact the other thing I was comparing.
Knowing what's playing can sway you more than most people would like to admit.
Why not just make it look pretty and pretend it costs a bomb, you'd probably get the same effect tbh. It's how I'm going to deal with my cables. As long as they are up to scientific standards then I'll go for aesthetics, usability. Saves you money for use on speakers or room treatments or speaker mods etc
@@iamthepapa Interesting! I heard from other reviewers that the interconnect and power cord to the DAC is the major upgrade. If you are to purchase new cables. But Not for you. Have you tried anything else? Standard cables or what? I’m to upgrade soon. Mogami interconnects are installed. Might go for Supra power cords.
Hi Danny, Thank you for the video. The 'other' video popped up on my UA-cam list, I watched and very quickly noticed a few of the things that you mentioned. I just disregarded the 'other' video as bogus and never thought anymore about. I am happy to see this response. I often learn some new technical aspect from your videos and I have been an audiophile for over 40 years. It is clear that I have much to learn from a technical perspective. I have listened to hundreds of systems over the decades and in my experience listing to clarity, the depth and breadth of the soundstage is truly the best measurements of all. I would look at and read the tech specifications but I never had the technical background to evaluate what the specs really meant (if they were even legitimate). It was always the listening that would be the final determining factor. I just wanted to thank you again for your time and effort.
Oau i did the same … what coincidence … 🤝
I just enjoy watching both channels. Both of you ripping the other one is hilarious
I’ve previously owned speakers by B&W, Polk, Definitive, Klipsch, Gallo, Paradigm, and they all had issues of one sort or another. I’ve been using speakers designed by Danny for over a decade. I have X-SLS, X-Omni, X-Voce, X-Statik, and Super 7. I’ve also had a couple of pairs of X-LS and X-CS and ended up selling them to people who loved them. (Plus, I had too many! ) They continue to impress me even after many years. Danny has very clearly proven to me over and over that he knows his stuff.
This should be an episode on Pros vs Joes... thanks for the content and knowledge! #prosvsjoes
I am glad you did this I wanted ro buy the lgk then I saw that review and was wondering I don't know enough about measurements or how to test speakers to actually have an opinion based on measurements so thank you you will be getting my order soon thanks for the video
Danny is a lifetime of audio knowledge, we are lucky to have him around to enhance our listening experience.
They'll probably do fine up to a certain point especially if running them full range. But if the linear X max really is only 1mm then you're going to run into issues relatively quickly.
I made a similar version of zaphs hivi b3n speaker, it sounds pretty nice, cost is very cheap. Some may find the aluminium driver "boring" though it is a clean sound.
It has a heavier coil than the GR driver as there's 3mm of coil excursion. So maybe there's a difference in the midrange to be heard?
@@RennieAsh agreed, I love Danny's work but if they only have 1 mm xmax, then a sub crossed at 120 would def be required for anything above background listening
The upgrades are awesome! There is something to be said about having something working better than it was intended. Modifications are a great way to dive deeper into the hobby and apreatiate the small things that do make a difference. Many small tweaks can really add up to big results. 🔈👍🏻
Danny is just addressing what the speaker manufacturers should do ....
Thing is, the guy this video is aimed at, owner of ASR, has actually recommended this guy's upgrade kits, ones that measurably improve performance. Danny is butthurt about how badly his "LGK" speakers measure in terms of distortion, hence the cope in this video.
I admit, I always recommend comparing and reviewing speakers as single speakers. Waaaay too much published research in the audio field proving listeners can hear more flaws in a speaker design listening to a single speaker over a stereo pair. Imaging matters, so listening to two speakers should happen at some point in the review, but if there are significant timbre and tonal flaws, who cares about the imaging. Don't believe me, try it for yourself. Compare two pairs of speakers then only compare one of each, you'll never compare in pairs again.
The entire point of stereo is to achieve a 3d soundstage. Who cares about imaging? That tells me you are very limited In experience in this hobby.
Read their comment again. His point wasn’t that imaging isn’t important, it’s that good imaging doesn’t trump egregious tonal flaws.
You just took a phrase of a comment out of context, then followed it with an attack on the poster. Let’s keep it civil!
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@@pike3685 literally every single mixing and mastering engineer ever cares about imaging
Do you even know what imaging is? Tell us what you think it is.
Is Copper Clad speaker wire Bad , or Not So Good , for Running your Rear Speaker for your Surround Sound, or is Old 16 Gage Monster Cable Better ,
Because of inspiration from Danny, and WATT Audio, I rebuilt some cheap 1999 RCA three way floor speakers.
With some internal bracing, and all new drivers and crossovers, they actually sound decent.
I've already put more into them than I originally paid for them. ($500.00 total), they only cost $200.00 for the pair.
But hey, most hobbies don't make money, and several friends are totally impressed by the better sound.
Actually, I'm impressed if I don't say so myself.
So, after all the dust settles, and smoke clears, they pass the ultimate test, and that's the ear test.
I saw the review on the LGK on another channel. I did listen on my LaScallas you “love so much” lol but they sounded beautiful and could not hear that huge distortion he stated Listened many times on 3 different amps and for what they are designed for I really was impressed
LaScala's have among the lowest bass distortion at 90+ dB of any speaker except the Klipschorns and Jubilees. None of them are neutral but boy are they exciting!
@@1mctous no. They are not neutral but with good source material they are insanely engaging and fun.
GR-Research is my favorite audio brand. I built a pair of X-Statik speakers and they are phenomenal. I don't have a super high-end system, but I am extremely satisfied with it. My teenage kids will have company over to watch a movie and they are blown away by the sound quality. "You built these!?" They'll ask, in awe.
I have a couple of 10" subs and rear surrounds (non GR-Research) too.
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This is what I like, people who owned the thing!
I'm sorry but you are wrong .....You do have a Super High End System......The one that with sacrifice and effort you have built and it's satisfying to you..... Don't measure your assets based on what it's out there.....Enjoy your System .....👍
@@fernandosierra7798 thank you, brother!
Hi Danny, PLEASE do not let these Trolls and The hands off time out generation deter you in what you do. I'm a 1980s hands on tear it apart and put it back together before dad get home and whoops your ass generation guy. What they don't understand is you have forgotten more about audio and design than they will ever know in their lifetime. All they do and know is what they see online, and they call that experience, wow, it's almost funny if it was not so sad. We that know the difference, know it when we see it. You are an industry icon in my humble opinion, up there with Andrew Jones. Just keep feeding us knowledge, we are soaking it up. And thank you for all your hard work, I mean that with all my heart.
Hey Danny - I haven't had the opportunity to be a customer, but I've enjoyed your videos for a while. You're one of the few guys who gets it right and seems to understand the road to better sound, which helps you do it on a reasonable budget, and your good heart leads you to share that info. Everything can effect sound, and sometimes the small changes are hard to hear all by themselves, but like removing one water spot at a time from a window, they add up to give a clearer view. Keep up the great work....the naysayers will always be there, and the internet has given them the opportunity to band together and reinforce their views. That doesn't make them any more right. It's funny how the people who don't know how to setup their systems well, optimize what they have, and/or who can't hear the difference, tend to spend so much time telling you what you can or can't hear. Not everyone in the chorus can sing, or hear that they're off key. Ignore them and forge on!
Measurements aside, I have found that highly accurate and best measuring DACs sound best fed through tube amplifiers. It would be so good to see the guy from ASR on your show or visa versa. Too much war everywhere. Thanks Danny!
I made the mistake of owning two of ASR’s best measuring DACs(one Topping, one SMSL). Both sounded analytical, flat, and dry, compared my current Schiit Modi Multibit, which is more enveloping, but measures worse.
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@@ChicagoRob2 That's where GR Research misses the mark for me, as for me there's a lot more to the listening experience than off axis measurements.
I saw that LGK "Review" and thought what the hell is going on here??! It just didn't make any sense! You absolutely did the right thing Danny by posting this corrective video!
Hello Danny, keep up the great work.
Though I'm aware of the "science review" site, I have no interest in their opinion. They've demonstrated that their hobby is measuring things (inadequately,) whereas my hobby is listening. Their aggressive, holier-than-thou attitude is cultish behavior.
Accuracy doesn't mean a lot to some people, and that's fine. Have you demoed any of the recommended list?
Danny , Kirk here. GR Research is Absolutely Phenomenal Company, What you do for All Audiophiles, 🎵🎶 Music Heads is Only and Always to Help us get the best Performance out of the products we already have ! And as a Plus you also offer Kits . Anyone with a Cup of Respect , and a Half lit brain , All know as you said will Always have to listen to the half baked poor souls still running in circles . Keep Kicking It Bro . Those of us who always want to Improve our sound Will Always be Straight up Right behind you . KIRK'OUT'PEACE
Hi, I live in Norway and love to watch your informative videos. I have been into hifi at least 50 years and still have a lot to learn as learning is an ongoing process that lasts a lifetime. Please keep up your good work and disregard the naysayers. The Germans have a perfect word for that kind of people , they say besserwisser meaning a person who thinks he or she knows everything better than anyone else. Looking forward to new videos. Tor Damsleth.
I’ve been into audio for 37 years and installed audio/video systems for 27 years. I know you know what you’re talking about. Haters are gonna hate. Keep up the fantastic work.
I have 2 triple ob subs I purchased from Danny. Just amazing, complementing Magnepan speakers which Amir thinks are junk. As an engineer, I have known many technologists who made the wrong decisions based on misinterpretation of what they thought was irrefutable scientific data. Amir is a perfect example of this. Danny, thanks for all you do for us.
NIce entertaining bit of info While I'm working on the cad files for my floor standing encores!!
i not seen any frequency graphs any test equipment just a lot of talk which is fine only where's the frequency graphs with the actual testing in the videos .
Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast?
I need a graph of your believability factor to get your point.
I think most of us would be up for ABX tests with Amir down at GR Research. Let’s put this to bed
Amir is a wimp if he doesn't accept this throwdown.
Its funny, youtube steered me to that "review" just yesterday. I picked up some of the errors, but thanks for explaining it in detail. I learned stuff here today.
You wouldn't sell Admir a pair of speakers for review and that doesn't scream confidence in the quality of your speaker. What were you so worried about?
Lol 😂 Admin ( The one with the geisha girl photo) a numbers only guy. He can’t even Measure components correctly. He just can’t even understand. Just can’t talk logic to a log 🪵
If we’re talking about the same guy.
I'll sell him whatever he wants to buy.
@@coldfinger459sub0 what do you test electrical components with, a dipstick? Yep, dem numbers en stuff is right darn confusin'. Ain't nothing wrong with eating lead based paint chips. Makes my Cardas cables sound better.
@@scotteaton4868 I liked chewing on the white lead-based paint in my crib it was sweet. I like the higher distortion numbers of the class A amplifiers and preamplifiers I build thank you very much.
I remember one specific amplifier he measured that he loaded it wrong with the wrong 4 ohm load,
When specifically the descriptions and instructions for the amplifier was designed for a 8 ohm load.
The specific amplifier was designed and well worded documented that it was meant to be used with a preamplifier at a specific gain.
Amongst many other things he totally brushed over and ignored before performing his test.
And he tested exactly the way that would make it measure the worst and then published it.
And then scrutinized and talked about his shortcomings after his measurements the guy‘s a joke. Buddy you own some good equipment for measurement
You could lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink
You can give a guy a good tool doesn’t mean he knows how to use it right or understand
Totally agree with you about the sound clips. They almost don't sound like it's playback of the recording. They sound so much like the recording! Well done on the sound samples. Really appreciate you putting them together.
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So much information in this video told in a very concise way. Thank you.
I believe most people do not understand metrics or measurements, or precession or accuracy.
Simply determining what to measure… how to measure… in what context… is none trivial & requires time & experience.
I used to manage High Performance Computing systems… one aspect of my job was monitoring…. You monitor for a lot of different reasons… you have a myriad of things you can measure… simply learning what’s useful or meaningful to monitor required a tremendous amount of work… over time… took me a year or more before I had a set of metrics that were worthwhile & continually need to update.
Most people have a difficult time even understanding what is being measured….
Mine was a digital environment… so, much easier than the analog environment you operate in…
I go into some data centers where they have a wall of cool graphs…. Realize, they’re really not telling you very much… but they sure look cool!
Anyway, I’m a person that has been dubious concerning some of your ‘Snake Oil’ … after building a few of your kits, your not wrong… I used to think the NoRez & Tube connectors were expensive for what they are…
Yeah, completely reversed my opinion.
Having watched numerous videos you’ve published… I’ve come to really trust your ear… & your opinions….
That is, if Danny says it’s worthwhile… I’ll assume it is till proven wrong…
Built my x statics this winter... took a risk on yall... and couldn't be happier. They are truly amazing. Anyone who bags on you guys? Either doesn't know what their talking about or is just being a troll
I will say... one key with gr research speakers... they're very sensitive to what you drive em with. You Gotta have a clean source and a decent class A or tube amp to even really touch what they actually can sound like... good thing is they can crush a large room with my little 15w pass labs kit amps. They don't sound as good with my much bigger emotiva amp. Louder... but not better..
This is, sorry, this is a cop-out."If you disagree w me you are a stupid dumb dumb head" Make an argument. This is a blanket contradiction making yourself the one true decider and provayer of truth... do you real think you are the only one qualified and that all others need to be dismissed with such an all incompassing statement? Sounds like a mind defending its core values that gover your sanity and sense of self and if Danny Richy is found to be untrue and his products are not the best your world will collapse. They are speakers man you like them you get joy from them someone else opinion should stop that.
As always Danny you deserve a big thank you from those of us who appreciate direction. There's a saying that says "you can't fix stupid". You also can't help people who don't want to be helped. My point is, keep doing what you love. AKA what you do. The people who tune in regularly know what your trying to do for us. The haters fall into the "can't be fixed" should be left in the stupid pool. These people cry about everything from everybody. They bounce from channel to channel spewing thier rant. If they had any brains they would have a following that would keep them too busy to whine. So again... Thank You.
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@@naelgorgees1726 what on earth are you going on about? You have replied to a lot of responses with the same comment.
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@@dannyrichie9743It looks like even an old man like me can ruffle someone's shorts.
@@incarsound you know, the shortest. That’s what he wants them to do.
I installed the GRR crossover in my Dynaudio Special 40’s and am VERY pleased with the results. But it was definitely a risk as the only to tell if a particular component or change will sound good to you is to listen in your system and room. Measurements can give you a general idea, but they don’t factor in your system, room, or musical preferences. I also can’t tell if I’ll like a recipe based on the ingredients alone, or a vehicle based on specifications alone. With that said, I really appreciate GRR for his honesty, approach, and my S40 crossover.
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Problem with your upgrades Danny is the manner in which you seem to disparage the original manufacturer without acknowledging the business overheads that you don't have so where would you expect them to make the compromises?
Can you design, build, ship and give dealer profits and also make a profit yourself for the same money.?? I doubt it.
By all means give an upgrade but don't slag off the OG whilst doing so...its really not a good look and you are better than that.
If the manufacturer did a better job at start and not letting accounting control the end product. Then all customers wouldn’t send speakers to Danny for test and possible upgrades. Do you say the same thing to a tuning firm that does upgrade kits for a Mustang or Corvette?
@@rikardekvall3433 you've clearly never run a business.
And yes, this is the same for ANY product....if you want to run business without an accountant then good luck.
You price every component if you're aiming at a price. If price was no object all audio gear would be magico, wilson audio prices and you'd be complaining you couldn't afford them. Get with the real world of business.
I’ve heard him say numerous times that he understands that the manufacturer is striving to hit a price point. He’s given all indication that he thoroughly understands the business practices needed for The production of the originally manufactured products. However, he is trying to explain in each case why the owner of the speakers may not have been satisfied and therefore sent them in for modification. Not uncommon is the use of lower quality crossover parts. These will cost more than what the manufacturer could employ while trying to hit a price point. But the speaker owner who submitted them for modification could now hopefully be quite happy with the sound of the modified speaker.
@@greenbeginner3353 I agree but then just state that "this is where they've saved on production cost" don't call the components "cheesy" etc. It's disparaging and unnecessary and gives the impression that the manufacturer is somehow ripping the customer off....it's the manner of description that I have the issue with , not the upgrade itself.
The majority of the loudspeaker industry knows that slick marketing sells, not actual performance. With almost no HiFi brick and mortar locations buyers are unable to actually listen. Heck, when HiFi stores were plentiful only a small percentage of buyers visited. The large loudspeaker companies know they can get away with selling a great looking exterior that contains the cheapest of everything. That is the real "snake oil" in the audio business.
As a musician I have to trust my own judgment. No one I know or even know of buys instruments on measurements alone. I apply the same principle to audio gear. I've heard how better parts allow greater transparency even when they measure the same.
That's why you're a musician, not an engineer
@@giriprasadkotte9876 Go away Amir.
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Wow, dude! You're so smart. You figured out my game. 😭
Musicians are trying to create a sound.
Audiophiles are trying to re-produce a sound. Though it would seem that many would rather be musicians, fiddling with tonal balance of amplifiers, different speakers, playing around with stuff that supposedly changes the sound.
@@giriprasadkotte9876 Good, now go away.
Thanks Danny and GRR. Your designing service and part kits made my Zu Omen II,s fantastic. ZU should add your kit as an option. Keep up the good work.
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@@naelgorgees1726 Nael-I have the Zu Omens as well! What upgrades did you utilize from GR? I have upgraded other brands from them but never thought about Zu’s. Thx!
R NO -I have ZU omen speakers as well -what specific GR upgrades did you utilize to make them sound better?
@@azthu1 Give GR Research a call. Get a quote for building Crosovers (Zu doesn't have any other than a single Cap) and add the NoRez and insulation.
I felt like I should counter the nay-sayers - Your channel is great and it's a pleasure to see/hear you cover the audio world.
As a customer of the nx otica and a pair of triple servo subs, Danny KNOWS HIS STUFF! Best sound I've ever heard BY FAR!!! KEEP IT UP DANNY!!
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Danny, your patience is one of the things that makes you so effective as both a designer and a communicator. As a designer in the pro audio space for more than 20 years I've seen many similar misunderstandings about what measurements are, how to make them and how to read them (and what they're useful for!). The only thing we can do is try to educate people, but it's a slow process and some days it's hard to want to take the time and effort for people who don't appear to even be interested in anything other than their own preconceived notions. I would have laughed all the way through this if it wasn't so sad to see someone spend so much money for a negative return. Expensive measurement tools don't make you an audio expert any more than buying a grand piano will make me a concert pianist!
Yeah. People like to think that skimming some theory and buying test gear is a shortcut knowledge that will avoid any actual work... But there is no substitute for years of hands-on experience.
Keep going Sir. Danny you are a good person I learn a lot from you about hifi speaker...
Hey Danny, I admire your patience with these guys. I will always support your endeavor.
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This guy answers emails phone calls and letters. That’s crazy. That’s effing dedication. Because he answered my email about something for about $400 I spent over a thousand. My Rp280f and Rp 8000f now sound amazing.
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Hmm, interesting. Why did you even bother Danny ? If you're going to put product out there, then you're gonna get critique, either positive or negative for any number of reasons - ya gotta have a thick skin in this business.
I watch both you guys channels and whilst I do not fully agree with ASR's measuremenrts o only based approach, I would never go so far as to say he does not know how to use the measuring equipment or interpret the results.
You guys measure things differently and as such, there are going to be some differences in the results derived. But your reaction to ASR's somewhat not so p[ositive review of the LGK is surprising, seeing as how you dish out the same to many well known and respected speaker manufacturers in your speaker upgrade posts.
BTW, a fully finished pair of the LGK shipped to Canada with taxes and duties, I'm assuming would be around $1250 US which equates around CA $1620. For an extra CA $400 it's possibke to get a pair of the 85th Anniversary Wharfedale Lintons. Given that, I wonder what the choice would be here.
There is no measure differently - Amir either willfully or ignorantly borks his measurments.
Seems to me to be the former tho since he is working very closely with a certain chifi consortium.
@@mariodrv Hey listen man, I am not in either camp, I just follow what my ears tell me, and they never lie.
One thing I will say thoguh is this - it is one thing to make accusations and throw dirt around if you have the proof to back it up, which is what you seem to be doing here. But if you ain't got nothing to back it up, then perhaps it's best to keep an open mind about all things audio and let your ears be the judge.
That way nobody gets offended, nobody feels judged and everyone is happy.
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There already exists STRONG indications for everything I stated, enough to raise suspicions at the least.
Nobody gets offended and nothing changes. Somebody has to be in the wrong for the other being right.
Who can't stand to be judged should not leave their parents basement. Striving for happyness is synonymous with a stagnating status quo - the enemy of betterment and ultimatly progress.
Please cut it out with tha neo-hippy bullcrap.
@@mariodrv Ha ha !! You are too funny.
Nobody gets offended ?? Sounds to me like you are. Everyone's entitled to have an opinion. It does'nt matter to me whether it's for or against, negative or positive. But I don't put a label on you for having an opinion that may be different from mine, so perhaps you could take some of the advice you so readily dish out and lije you say, cut the bullcrap.
And have a nice day too. Cheers.
@@chutgowdingo-loon3212 Good. You too Sir. :)
I totally agree with your points. It happens to me as well on my channel with the naysayers and people who question EVERYTHING... Great one!
Thank you.
Good to see you here Jay. I am a subscriber to you too.
@@freone111 thanks !
I knew there would be some take-away quips and Danny did not disappoint with this one> "It's not that there is a distortion problem in the driver; there is a distortion problem with the operator." LOL
The description of Klippel NFS in this video is wrong. Its not averaging measurements as described at all.
I totally agree on the distortion point. When I tried to measure the distortion of my DIY speaker, it was so difficult. Any slight background noise will make the distortion level shooting up. Anechoic chamber is a must to get accurate speaker distortion measurement.
But you can definitely hear distortion.
@@bbfoto7248 Already seen that. If you pay attention to his video, his distortion measurements are done in a setting simulating in an anechoic environment. So I would say his distortion measurements are more realistic as compared to those shown in ASR.
@@bbfoto7248 Obviously that shows you did not watch the deleted video from Erin. He mentioned although ASR is using the same system but different setting for distortion measurement.
@@Danny, Sorry to say - to me - this was one of the more informative videos I have seen from you of late. I feel the whys are as important as whats and this video had lots of whys. Reminds me of the 'Tech Talk' days - Thanks
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I bought you're speaker wire and built the cable. It took some time but it was the most fun I ever had with HI FI. So you.re saying the earth is not flat?
I had a beetle many years ago and it was amazing. You could hear the engine running but when you lifted the engine compartment, it was empty.
The mechanic said it did not have a transmission line which I thought was obvious, not enough room in the doors.
Will trust you forever, not because you say so. Because I have bought a few of your products and I am ALWAYS blown away by how good they all are. Thanks Danny for making all this attainable for me. You're the best!
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Thanks Danny you're a great teacher honesty and integrity is also in your Forte God bless and have a great day
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Measurements done correctly are important, helpful and interesting. "Correctly" being the operative. In my opinion, you have to have equal parts objective and subjective to get to the truth and I think that gets lost far to often in the audio industry. Nice response Danny.
Are you an illiterate moron looking for an arguement? Yes, OF COURSE you are. Go ahead and measure and let a line graph determine how you spend your money. Might as well bury your head under a rock. How many times did you edit that comment to get it just right? (EDIT: It seems that the anonymous coward that I replied to either deleted his comment attacking my opinion above or it was moderated out. I'm not arguing with myself here, I promise.🤪)
I’m sorry to say but you really aren’t worth it my time and effort to explain. Believe me I can give a complete dissertation on this subject. Danny is correct as well as many audio engineers out there in the world. That’s all I got to say.
Agreed. This is why people don’t “test” the taste of wine with equipment of some kind, they actually taste it. Our ability to test a speaker is no where near our brain’s ability to process and “hear” the sound. I don’t have expensive cables, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think people can hear the difference. All these people that swear that if you can’t test it you can’t hear it should all go watch Ford v Ferrari. There is a scene where the engineers tell the driver they have done a bunch of tests and determined the optimal down force and suspension settings. The driver, using no test equipment other than his own brain tells them they are wrong, that he can “feel” the difference and he is proven to be correct. I am not against testing, but you have to use that in conjunction with actual listening.
@@glenncornwall4331 You literally said absolutely fucking nothing
@@WillyLax24 Our ears are not very trustworthy test instruments at all. In face, they're consistently untrustworthy. There's a study showing that placebo through suggestion can even impact how people perceive something as sensitive as hearing aids. I can safely say that anyone who says they can tell a difference between cables is full of shit unless they can bring forth consistent test results during an ABX.
Hi from Hiroshima, Danny. Really enjoy your videos and advice. Integrity, experience and plain, simple honesty seems to be anathema to those trolls whose goals seem to come from some personal lack of confidence and have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders. Forget them, you're really passing on so much valuable information to audiophiles on all scales of budget.
all the very best, G. (orig. from Scotland.)
They're just looking to prove their pre-formed opinions, rather than disprove them. That's malpractice, and they don't even know what they're doing to begin with. I appreciate the comparison to flat-earthers, because they do the same. I've personally since cut ties with the site, and refuse to mention their name any longer. Thank you for being one of the few voices worth hearing in the crowd of noise, it does not go unnoticed.
Well said, and I agree.
Danny is benefiting the audio industry sharing to the world a lifetime of knowledge and research through his videos, why knock the guy for working hard and being true!
(SPT Auto) Who exactly are you talking about when you're saying all of this? (who is "they"?) (Also, who are you thanking at the end?)
This was a confusing comment because it doesn't make it clear who you're talking about or what your exact message is.
Actually it's not a pre formed opinion but just some measurements.... and measurements don't care about audio bias or personality....
@@JoeJ-8282 Talking about AudioScienceReviews, and thanking GR Research... I was trying my best not to have to say ASR's name 🤷♂️ but since you asked. ASR has now lost their credibility, if they hadn't already.
@@dihydrotestosterone Pre-formed opinions that influenced intentionally measuring products incorrectly to make them look bad, in worst-case scenarios, and still getting crazy good results. ASR doesn't even know how to properly extract data from their measurements yet, let alone use them in a "review".
If there's 'not enough insulation in the box' then why aren't the assembly instructions clear about its importance to the tuning and overall sound.
Unfortunately we all heard the distortion. And well below 80dB. (And Amir has explained why he uses one speaker only. He’s linked academic papers to why on some of his videos too.)
Nope, you just heard him over drive it.
For a guy who spends a lot of time on videos crapping on other companies speakers, you’re pretty defensive when people take a hard look at yours.
A hard look? 😂 It’s pretty clear they had an agenda and didn’t have Danny’s speakers up to spec. If you can’t see that, I’m not sure what to say.
It wasn't a hard look. It was a hit job with an intent to smear the product and our company even if it required falsifying the information.
I honestly don’t understand how a well explained, well argued summation that is backed up with data can be considered a hit job. He even complemented quite a few aspects of the kit. You don’t have a lot to stand on if you’re saying that you’re the only one who knows better. You decry the uneducated, inexperienced reviewer who listens to a speaker in an untreated room with modest gear. Then you whine about an engineer with expensive gear taking objective measurements. The whole time telling everyone how bad other manufacturers are. Pretty damn hypocritical.
@@MrDS75 Maybe you should watch my latest video explaining the situation. There was milacid intent to defraud. Drivers were deliberately over driver. He didn't know how to read his own measurements, etc.
@@MrDS75 In case you missed it: ua-cam.com/video/D2q0IhGIxvM/v-deo.html
thanks for the video......I honestly......as a customer.....trust your work.....passion.....and invested time to help the audiophiles like me ....that don't have thousands of dollars to spend but would like to really get the most from what we buy....in this case speakers.....At the end there is always some business involved but it is what it is.....get the best possible sound with the minimum reasonable investment.....at least for me....
“Even while they teach, men learn” ~ Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC - AD 65)
just watched a few of asr vids. he is compelling but you just showed me exactly where he missed the boat. for a brief moment i thought he had something on you but you had a lot more knowledge than he expected i think.
What is most important in order of priority, drivers, crossover, and box manufacture. Which is crucial for good sound.
_This isn't war, this is sport!_
It shouldn't even be sport..... it's a skill, and/or a pastime. I hate the word hobby, but it is that too. Sport implies people competing with each other, and I don't see how MY audio system in my own home is competing with anybody else.
@@TheMirolab Your audio system isn't, but people running on emotions are currently "competing" with each other across these audio channels, in a destructive kind of way. Perhaps it is actually war...
“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” - Thomas Paine
I appreciate the content provided by both GR Research and by ASR. I will more than likely build a kit of yours upon my retirement. If nothing else these videos continue to serve to elevate the technical discourse. You both have different opinions and perspectives; I'm lucky enough to be able to take the best that I can understand and enjoy. I can certainly appreciate the years of experience that you have, and I appreciate your reviews, modifications, and kit assembly videos. Thank you.
Very funny stuff Danny,i gotta go to Advance auto and ask for blinker fluid as a joke,too funny man.Danny can't wait for your next creation to rival the Klh five,or the ,770 using that eight inch driver.Your the best dude,keep doing ehat you do.
That reminds me. In my young days in the AF, a popular joke was to send new recruits to the storeroom for some "flight line".
When wiring Industrial machines is standard practice to separate high voltage A/C wiring from control wires to prevent the AC wire from inducing a voltage (noise) in the control wiring. If you have to cross the two sets of wires you need to cross at 90 degrees. The same physics apply to audio wires.
Tin eared haters need to find a new hobby...what you do is a huge benefit to audiophiles everywhere. Turning medium cost speakers into high end for a fraction of the cost is something that allows access to great sound at a price most can afford without taking out a 2nd mortgage. I've been upgrading crossovers and cabinets on vintage and contemporary speakers for years and the differences aren't small. You and your company have made it easy for anyone to do so and it's greatly appreciated.
Thanbk you.
This is like watching CNN and FOX 🤦♂️
Haha, that's what I was thinking! :)
That is the reason I watch to learn and I am learning,some conflicted things here are there but is to be expected when you watch different channels, something though there are ways of saying the same thing,I think even you agree that everyone can learn new things
Well said my main man in audio !!!!!!!
There's a reason that computer cables went from CAT3-CAT7, and all network cables are shielded. The numbers represent twists per foot in the cable to create an electronic shield to defend against RF interfering with the transmission of data. No difference with audio. I made speaker wire from triple braided cat5 cables 20 years ago.
Love it, you're so right, I get abuse on my channel, most of the snake oil police, have very poor hearing, that's why they can't hear the differences, great video, keep up the good work👍
The best cable is no cable, the best amp is no amp, the best speaker is no speaker, the best mic is no mic. All this to say that recorded music is just a copy of the real thing. Therefore like a HD TV set, equipment is only trying to get out of the way as much as possible, true hifi equipment that is. No company will throw millions of dollars into their speakers only to have them not have a signature sound. The ONLY to get a speaker or equipment to get out of the way, is to build it and bypass the corporate bs. Come on guys. Don't be lead astray by blind fools. Danny and his crew and Ron are the source of truth, pun intended. Luv you guys!
The audio science guy just did a review of your klipsh upgrade and it was a glowing review. So i expect you'll be seeing a lot more orders for that kit soon.
The ASR guy does a pretty objective, thorough analysis of speakers, equipment, and cables - without the bias that Danny is suggesting. If a GR upgrade is worthwhile, ASR is going to publish a positive recommendation, simple as that. Have you seen the review of the LGK speaker? Not so good, and it's not just measurement based, it's just a poor-sounding system. You can hear the recorded distortion from the speaker that supports the measured numbers.
It's kinda sad that Danny feels like ASR is out to get him and his products, when really what's happening are unbiased, objective reviews that just show the actual performance, whether good or bad. Problem is, Danny doesn't like when a review is bad, so he just disagrees, suggests the reviewer doesn't know what they're doing, and expects us to believe that "it just sounds fantastic", because he says so.
What we can learn from watching unbiased reviews from ASR and others is this: some of GR's products are good, and some aren't. As much as Danny wants it to be true, not ALL of his products are good enough to compete against better-sounding systems for the same money. His defending of the LGK is a perfect example of this.
@@vanwiseman BS. What the asr guy did is like putting a Ferrari in reverse and driving it at redline then saying see this Ferrari handles like shit, it makes all kinds of strange noises that shouldn’t be there and visibility out the back window is so poor, I don’t know what those hack Italian engineers were thinking??? This overpriced two seat sports car shouldn’t even be produced. No one will ever buy it. See I told you guys Ferrari sucks. And people believe him!
@@clarencelim212 I don't get the analogy. Maybe I'm stupid. Maybe you are grasping at straws. My direct interactions w Danny, I found him arrogant and dismissive. I felt I had to be proven worthy to purchase his products (reminded me of the soup natzy) I have built his speakers the plans were shit and the completed product was less than what I had previously for a system... an old used lcr mission speakers. I'm sure I built them wrong if you are trying to defend Danny. In short after a long time of wanting to believe, I am now convinced the emperor has no clothes. I found it hypocritical that the kit I purchased had magnetic metal in the signal path. People that are right don't waist there time on naysayers the know right will prevail in the end. These videos defending himself are desperate and his attacks on the critics sound like he is trying to still convert himself to what he is selling, afraid the world will think he is a fraud. ( one man's opinion).
This is a great example of a worth while mod Danny offers. It also shows that ASR is not just across the board out to get Danny as he seems to think. Amir’s recommendations are always in line with the measurements.
Excellent video and you've provided insight to and on a number of key points. The over-arching conclusion that I've come to regarding the folks you're referring to is that they suffer from Dunning-Kruger Effect (ref here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect). And, they prove it over and over and over again. Your mention of not even connecting the other end of the power cable is a perfect example of that.
To the trolls, Sibelius single driver by Harley Lovegrove mark audio inside must be a even bigger paper weight. test to see if its linear, sounds so good.
But a different approach than Danny.
A pair around 200 for the 2 drivers 4300 for the rest.