I love how people want changes to the game but the moment they have a chance to vote to even test such changes they get cold feet because oh no, that affects my playstyle and isn't just a buff
Well most people dont even realize they are voting on the shrapnel change, not the shell penetration part. Also Gaijin “tested” fox3s and added them only a few months later with little change. Cant test something and then shove it in the game anyway
I mean it’d be good for APHE to be more realistic, with the only major thing needed being the rebalancing of some low tier tanks’ BRs. Separately, buffing AP, APCR, APDS, etc. would be good as well.
This extremely Positive for WarThunder - HOWEVER: Unfortunately its highly unlikely to be passed on a Popular vote. Fundamentally it Balances amazingly, However due to a Majority of players playing APHE rich nations (USSR, Germany, US) It has little to no chance to be passed. People are only inclined to do what immediately benefits them, Not what is good for the benefit of all players and the game.
i agree completely, and i wish more people understood... most russian and germany and american mains i complain to keep speaking of cupola weak points, weakpoints I've never really used cause i play nations with AP focus... I don't see why they rely so heavily on single weakpoints and their HE one pen knockout
as an aphe lover, honestly i can see this being better for the game as much i love absolutely nuking the interior of the tank, i think aphe acting as ap would've made more sense
It's a 2 stage vote which people don't seem to understand first vote is 'Voting to Test our Proposed APHE Shell Change' Test key word the second vote after that 'If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results' second vote is where we vote no or yes if it's added into the game
2:44 says 'want these changes' and 'there will be a test server' I see why people who only view youtube videos think this is guaranteed. Which is not. Sad this vote is gonna be no for a god damn test. War thunder youtubers are the voice of the large number of the community. And when they publish videos which are wrong. Everything goes to hell which is sad. They need to actually read and publish videos which are true.
I think this might actually be a good thing for the game. Sure us Sherman players might have a tougher time killing the tigers, but it's still a challenge I'm up for. It's just ridiculous on how Tigers can easily be killed, now it will feel like a challenge. Though I would appreciate it they fix solid shot and every other round they decided to nurf into the ground, APCR is basically unusable unless you know where the ammo is, and only then you need to take a few good shots at it before it detonates
@@rubotok3703 They would though lol, guns bigger than 85mm are considered "Big guns" and seeing as gaijin said those guns would be keeping that nuke type explosion it'd mean German players would be buffed a lot.
Newbies : hmm, that’s interesting… Veterans: After almost a decade the developers still can’t figure out how to realistically model a tank shell? Seriously??
Not an across the board “nerf”, that would indicate that the Tiger I and its PzGr, and the IS-2s 122mm shells wouldn’t be more powerful after this change. The tip will remain intact, keeping its damage continuing, while still exploding and over-pressuring. Some shells it’s a buff. Some shells it’s a nerf. Even then, depending on the situation. Some shells on some impacts don’t go deep enough to do damage, therefore that’s a buff in that scenario. Other times like shooting copulas won’t kill the entire tank obviously. That would be a nerf on that scenario.
Right, so... the poll is for testing the changes. So much for reading comprehension or even bothering given how many people think the poll is for implementation. Though given Gaijin's track record I can understand those that figure they'll just throw it in anyhow. Then there's the crowd that like what amounts to cheap shots and I can see both sides of that argument having points. It'll mean another shake up to balance making some tanks better defensively and others weaker. I ultimately think it'll be a solid change to the game but it'll take some time to get things dialed in.
This is the worst change that could ever be proposed. Remember that gaijin absolutely WILL fuck this up,and they already disregarded the vote. Instead of nerfing APHE, there are absolutely awful,borderline unusable shells in this game that need attention. Gaijin is the definition of fixing something that isn't broken.
imho this kind of change would be great for simulator... for realistic the current system is fine while for simulator i can see why they would do things like this... but that means they actually have to spend ome effort on sim battles and as far as i know, that part of the game is sadly a fairly dead neglected by the devs branch either way. just like how they dislike and effectively nerfed bombers into being utterly useless xp pinatas.
i would like this because it means i wont just get one shot every time i peek a corner or come barreling arround a corner and somehow get sniped before i can finish the job
The part that’s going to buff APHE is voting NO on this change. We are only voting on how the damage cone is. What they are doing THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE ON is increasing the penetration of the AP part of the shell and increasing the amount of secondary shrapnel from the HE part of the shell. We are basically voting yes or no on the balancing factor of this new APHE change.
The vote is 'Voting to Test our Proposed APHE Shell Changes' It's to test it a second vote happens after and weather it's added is chosen from there 'If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results'
@@semicooperative7188 Yeah, I think you and the rest saying it's a nerf are more likely correct here than the others. Also cool channel, think I'll sub.
Well that’s content creators. Gotta put out that narrative. For some it’s a buff, some it’s a nerf. Considering overpressure, and HE loads. In some scenarios like the HV 57mm & 75mm they will be benefiting from this as their explosives aren’t enough to do much anyway. Might aswell still carry the damage throughout the tank reaching the turret crew. Let’s be lucky the Dev Team didn’t model turret baskets along with this change, and not changing BRs. This like many things is nuanced. Not a black and white “buff, no nerf” scenario. It’s a massive shuffle up. As far as the 122mm, 130mm, 155mm, 8.8cm L56, and guns alike? They’ll just overpressure anyway.
@@semicooperative7188 Ah, but the cap being like solid shot will mean that APHE can now cover the edge cases that Solid-Shot was good for. namely going through Fuel tanks and Engines, like on the IS 1/2. without a nerf to its spall pattern it will essentially be made into the perfect shell, with the benefits of both Solid AP and APHE. the only case where solid AP would be superior would be shooting through things like crates/sheds that would normally detonate an APHE shell. but those are few and far between as-is.
@@Boz1211111 Because it's just a stupid nerf made to increase ttk and kill almost every 5.7-6.7 tank in uptier. Not even speaking of "realistic" part of this change, unless they add shrapnell ricocheting inside the tank and change uptiers from 1.0 to 0.7...
@@bean_up7402Is it so hard to just say "I like to hitkill any tank because I'm a sweaty player and I have attention problems focusing on 1 enemy for more than 30 seconds"?
Every time they made changes to rounds they made them worse, aphe is fine and it doesnt need more "realism", rounds in this game dont even have inertion and weight how are they supposed to be realistic at all?
@@tagnoch in what way is the new shell a buff? literally less damage and less area of shrapnel, oh and imagine tanks like the jumbo or others fighting a tiger, not damaging the cupola anymore while larger shells like from the tiger do pressure damage and dont even care about shrapnel area. So you end up with small shells doing even less damage and not being able to hit weakspots anymore while big shells still can just overpressure tanks when they penetrate. you can say what you want but its a nerf that you vote for by yourself, its not even more realistic, just another lie by the snail with some made up example in their post by using the weakest sell from asu57 that doesn't even see the tiger in its br bracket. The only difference with old nefrs of other shell types is that they made it look good and you vote for it thinking they are good now and are making the game better.
@@pasha_gascogne that's the nerf part. But no matter the vote result APHE will get the AP properties with the APHE head still flying after the shell explodes.
I love how people want changes to the game but the moment they have a chance to vote to even test such changes they get cold feet because oh no, that affects my playstyle and isn't just a buff
Well most people dont even realize they are voting on the shrapnel change, not the shell penetration part. Also Gaijin “tested” fox3s and added them only a few months later with little change. Cant test something and then shove it in the game anyway
@@SteelxWolf nah they probably just read "change" "yes" "no" and pressed "no"
This is an awful nerf, and rather than nerfing APHE, other shells could use a buff instead.
Gaijin is touching something nobody asked them to touch.
I mean it’d be good for APHE to be more realistic, with the only major thing needed being the rebalancing of some low tier tanks’ BRs. Separately, buffing AP, APCR, APDS, etc. would be good as well.
This extremely Positive for WarThunder - HOWEVER:
Unfortunately its highly unlikely to be passed on a Popular vote.
Fundamentally it Balances amazingly, However due to a Majority of players playing APHE rich nations (USSR, Germany, US) It has little to no chance to be passed.
People are only inclined to do what immediately benefits them, Not what is good for the benefit of all players and the game.
i agree completely, and i wish more people understood... most russian and germany and american mains i complain to keep speaking of cupola weak points, weakpoints I've never really used cause i play nations with AP focus... I don't see why they rely so heavily on single weakpoints and their HE one pen knockout
as an aphe lover, honestly i can see this being better for the game
as much i love absolutely nuking the interior of the tank, i think aphe acting as ap would've made more sense
It's a 2 stage vote which people don't seem to understand first vote is 'Voting to Test our Proposed APHE Shell Change' Test key word the second vote after that 'If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results' second vote is where we vote no or yes if it's added into the game
2:44 says 'want these changes' and 'there will be a test server' I see why people who only view youtube videos think this is guaranteed. Which is not. Sad this vote is gonna be no for a god damn test. War thunder youtubers are the voice of the large number of the community. And when they publish videos which are wrong. Everything goes to hell which is sad. They need to actually read and publish videos which are true.
What a time to be a British main. I have to say, i quite like these changes
2:49 Stop spreading this misinfo, the vote is on whether the test should be run, not whether it will be implemented.
I think this might actually be a good thing for the game. Sure us Sherman players might have a tougher time killing the tigers, but it's still a challenge I'm up for. It's just ridiculous on how Tigers can easily be killed, now it will feel like a challenge.
Though I would appreciate it they fix solid shot and every other round they decided to nurf into the ground, APCR is basically unusable unless you know where the ammo is, and only then you need to take a few good shots at it before it detonates
Tiger players shouldnt be fucking boss fights, they can angle and our only way is the cupola.
@@O_O_F or their cannon, or their tracks, or you could just reposition
@@rubotok3703 they can shoot you anywhere though while you're taking your sweet time to try and get a shot on them. Barrel damage is also random.
@@Ramelousy fair, although if the nerf happened they wouldn't one shot kill you
@@rubotok3703 They would though lol, guns bigger than 85mm are considered "Big guns" and seeing as gaijin said those guns would be keeping that nuke type explosion it'd mean German players would be buffed a lot.
Tiger and jumbo battle are going to last forever
Nope, unless they are both hull down
millions of german mains will be force to aim!
as german main i support this because other shells will not be useless compared to aphe now
as german main i support this because other shells will not be useless compared to aphe now
Newbies : hmm, that’s interesting…
Veterans: After almost a decade the developers still can’t figure out how to realistically model a tank shell? Seriously??
People with a brain: Oh cool Gaijin is implementing something no other game has and are making this game more realistic than ever.
*shrugs in Sweden and France* just means APHE actually needs to aim now.
Not an across the board “nerf”, that would indicate that the Tiger I and its PzGr, and the IS-2s 122mm shells wouldn’t be more powerful after this change. The tip will remain intact, keeping its damage continuing, while still exploding and over-pressuring. Some shells it’s a buff. Some shells it’s a nerf. Even then, depending on the situation. Some shells on some impacts don’t go deep enough to do damage, therefore that’s a buff in that scenario. Other times like shooting copulas won’t kill the entire tank obviously. That would be a nerf on that scenario.
Swedish vics already have this change to aphe, they have had it from the start
Right, so... the poll is for testing the changes. So much for reading comprehension or even bothering given how many people think the poll is for implementation. Though given Gaijin's track record I can understand those that figure they'll just throw it in anyhow. Then there's the crowd that like what amounts to cheap shots and I can see both sides of that argument having points. It'll mean another shake up to balance making some tanks better defensively and others weaker. I ultimately think it'll be a solid change to the game but it'll take some time to get things dialed in.
I love when this will never be added because all the people reliant on aphe to get a kill will never like the change.
it"s cool thing to have more real shell in the game but it's gonna be hard for the other weak tanks but heavys will be powerful and that's the problem
This is the worst change that could ever be proposed.
Remember that gaijin absolutely WILL fuck this up,and they already disregarded the vote.
Instead of nerfing APHE, there are absolutely awful,borderline unusable shells in this game that need attention.
Gaijin is the definition of fixing something that isn't broken.
imho this kind of change would be great for simulator... for realistic the current system is fine while for simulator i can see why they would do things like this... but that means they actually have to spend ome effort on sim battles and as far as i know, that part of the game is sadly a fairly dead neglected by the devs branch either way. just like how they dislike and effectively nerfed bombers into being utterly useless xp pinatas.
i would like this because it means i wont just get one shot every time i peek a corner or come barreling arround a corner and somehow get sniped before i can finish the job
The part that’s going to buff APHE is voting NO on this change. We are only voting on how the damage cone is. What they are doing THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE ON is increasing the penetration of the AP part of the shell and increasing the amount of secondary shrapnel from the HE part of the shell. We are basically voting yes or no on the balancing factor of this new APHE change.
The vote is 'Voting to Test our Proposed APHE Shell Changes'
It's to test it a second vote happens after and weather it's added is chosen from there 'If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results'
@@cheznugget that’s the thing, almost everyone is already wanting to say no to this change. That’s what I’m getting at.
@@midnitejmpr9429 ight
The amount of people who can't comprehend what the vote is for is astounding.
isn't a nerf to me, just different
Bro said usa 3 times in 3 seconds
Vote yes is the only way, war thunder comunity really complains either way, its so hard to do forward when there is always someone opposing the change
So some content creators are saying it's getting buffed
And others saying nerfed
@@johnroscoe2406 its definitely a nerf. The increased frontal cone is nowhere near enough considering how much lateral damage it loses
@@semicooperative7188 Yeah, I think you and the rest saying it's a nerf are more likely correct here than the others. Also cool channel, think I'll sub.
Well that’s content creators. Gotta put out that narrative. For some it’s a buff, some it’s a nerf. Considering overpressure, and HE loads. In some scenarios like the HV 57mm & 75mm they will be benefiting from this as their explosives aren’t enough to do much anyway. Might aswell still carry the damage throughout the tank reaching the turret crew.
Let’s be lucky the Dev Team didn’t model turret baskets along with this change, and not changing BRs. This like many things is nuanced. Not a black and white “buff, no nerf” scenario. It’s a massive shuffle up.
As far as the 122mm, 130mm, 155mm, 8.8cm L56, and guns alike? They’ll just overpressure anyway.
@@semicooperative7188 Ah, but the cap being like solid shot will mean that APHE can now cover the edge cases that Solid-Shot was good for. namely going through Fuel tanks and Engines, like on the IS 1/2.
without a nerf to its spall pattern it will essentially be made into the perfect shell, with the benefits of both Solid AP and APHE. the only case where solid AP would be superior would be shooting through things like crates/sheds that would normally detonate an APHE shell. but those are few and far between as-is.
@@BARelementim curious which CCs are saying its a buff?
i also voted no
why
@@Boz1211111he’s mentally challenged
@@Boz1211111 Because it's just a stupid nerf made to increase ttk and kill almost every 5.7-6.7 tank in uptier. Not even speaking of "realistic" part of this change, unless they add shrapnell ricocheting inside the tank and change uptiers from 1.0 to 0.7...
@@Boz1211111 Plus the new crew healing mechanic with this damage nerf will make game even more pay to win, because of the crew lvl's difference
@@bean_up7402Is it so hard to just say "I like to hitkill any tank because I'm a sweaty player and I have attention problems focusing on 1 enemy for more than 30 seconds"?
No wonder why coupula shots don't work anymore
i voted no
Every time they made changes to rounds they made them worse, aphe is fine and it doesnt need more "realism", rounds in this game dont even have inertion and weight how are they supposed to be realistic at all?
Aphe is the best shell in the game and now it's getting a buff. We are only voting on a nerf that would balance this buff.
@@tagnoch in what way is the new shell a buff? literally less damage and less area of shrapnel, oh and imagine tanks like the jumbo or others fighting a tiger, not damaging the cupola anymore while larger shells like from the tiger do pressure damage and dont even care about shrapnel area. So you end up with small shells doing even less damage and not being able to hit weakspots anymore while big shells still can just overpressure tanks when they penetrate. you can say what you want but its a nerf that you vote for by yourself, its not even more realistic, just another lie by the snail with some made up example in their post by using the weakest sell from asu57 that doesn't even see the tiger in its br bracket.
The only difference with old nefrs of other shell types is that they made it look good and you vote for it thinking they are good now and are making the game better.
@@pasha_gascogne that's the nerf part.
But no matter the vote result APHE will get the AP properties with the APHE head still flying after the shell explodes.