2023 Adventure Touring Bike Shootout
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2023
- For our 2023 Adventure Bike Shootout we travel to South Dakota, home of the famous Sturgis Bike Rally. While the region is known for the Rally, there's more to check out in South Dakota so we head off-road (and on-road) to test the Ducati DesertX, Aprilia Tuareg 660 and KTM 390 Adventure.
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Damn RIP Evans... brutal.
Godspeed Evans, you will be greatly missed 😔…
The KTM 390 seems to be the “best value beginner adventure bike” for the price that a beginner can still grow and hold on to for quite a while !!!
Thanks guys - great video! 4000km on my Tuareg 660 - I'm loving it.
RIP Evans 😢
I was waiting for so long for these motorcycles to be in a comparison video, thank you guys
I love anything with 2 wheels. I totally agree with the little bike fun factor.
RIP Evans!
2200 miles on my Tuareg and I’ve ridden everything else recently as well. The Tuareg is exactly what they said - the most well rounded package not to mention incredible value.
Maybe if it weren’t for the Husqvarna Norden 901 Expedition it would be best deal.
A list of what you get for $15,799 will convince anyone of it IMO.
Not to mention dealer support being better.
Really nice bike you’ve got though. Enjoy!
Loving my Expedition and crazy coincidence is I have 2200 miles on mine too. 🏍️💨
yea the Tuareg is an amazing bike, I'm also enjoying the exact benefits that were mentioned in this video. spot on!
@@lukefish7562 I've considered a N901E but they're difficult to find and cost considerably more here.
Now that you did the Euro shootout you need to do a Japanese and British/American version with models from Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Triumph, and Harley.
Nice to see the DR650 come out on top once again.
True, but it's only for those skilled enough to handle the power. Front wheel just won't stay on the ground!
🤣
Awesome!!!
Great offroad-trips there in South Dakota and nice testing!😁
Thumbs up from Germany!
Great video! Cheers from Brasil!
great video Men !!!!
Love my Husky Norden!
Missed Y'all for a long time..😢
Would have loved to see the Harley Panamerica in the comparison to replace the BMW at the top end.
putting a 390 ktm up against a 660 and 1200 - of course you have to spin it up. The 890 ktm, would be more applicable
All of them are winners
Why No Triumph ? Always surprised how Triumph is consistently under represented
Good video. As an owner of a BMW F850GS, not the GSA, I always hope these shootouts would include my model. Especially since it’s a middleweight. But I get that it’s not a 1250 and not as sexy as other European marques.
I’m surprised you used the 390 instead of the new 890R…I have a new 890R and had the Tuareg…both great bikes….the X haven’t ridden but concerns about the kickstand mounted to engine and issues with that and being top heavy keeps me from getting one….nice job
Can’t wait to see a 957cc Pan Am
Husqvarna Norden 901 Expedition. The BEST IMO.
But if you’ve got any one of these bikes you’re blessed.
Enjoy what ya got! 🏍️💨
Many reviews of the Tuareg have mentioned excessive heat. It's honestly the one thing that's prevented me from taking the plunge, I hate a hot bike roasting my thigh or manhood. Wish the reviewers would comment on that, one way or the other.
Mine isn't that hot, but I have the catalyzer removed.
We noticed the heat issue in our ride from Sturgis to Los Angeles last year, but the ambient temperature went as high as 108 on that trip. This time around, the heat was less of an issue in milder temperatures.
I notice the heat more when riding with regular jeans, but hardly at all when I'm suited up. Either way, it hasn't been bad enough for me to complain about it.
The other problem with the ducati is that they want you to go to the dealer for the easiest of maintenance.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not sure how this is a shootout. Generally that means representation from most major manufacturers. Cool comparison though.
Was really hoping to see Triumph in the mix
Wow, the DesertX has a 390 Adventure’s worth of options. The Tuareg seems like the best price/performance of the bunch, but then you have to wonder about the $2k difference between it and the T7
It's irrelevant as Yamaha doesn't make nearly enough of them. My dealer in the North East has never had one to sell. I bought the Tuareg and it kicks ass
+5hp, quick shifter, cruise control, rider modes (traction, suspension) I think 660 wins over T7.
+ tubeless tyres!
Burns did a review of the KTM 390 and I don’t remember him saying a thing about the standing position and handlebar height. Do you have a little groupthink going on there? It’s as if that one modifiable thing totally disqualifies the bike.
We test the bikes as they are delivered and point out that a simple change will negate the problem completely. While Ryan is the same height as Burns, he is a much more aggressive off-road rider, which may account for his opinion about the handlebar. Abhi and I are 3 and 7 inches taller, respectively, and that makes a huge difference when considering bar height. This was not a shootout to pick an absolute winner but, rather, an opportunity to show what each displacement category offers riders. The BMW’s failure was a huge loss to the test.
At 5'11, I found that rolling the handlebars forward about 10º gave me an inch and a quarter in height and a better reach without the hassle of risers or changing bars and cables. The pegs are a little high also, but coming from a Triumph Tiger 955, I find that there's not much real difference between the two when standing. I downsized because of age and declining ability, but find that the "little" KTM is such a hoot (even without, or maybe because of, 60 fewer horsepower) that it would probably have been the ideal size and strength for me many years ago.
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist Thanks for the explanation.
Ryan Fortnine poisoned the well on this model with his negative assessment of the footpeg angle. After that it’s all anyone seems to talk about. I swapped a Versys-x 300 for a 390 and find the riding position of the 390 to be superior overall. The Versys has a seating position that causes one to slide forward into the tank when the bike jerks forward coming off throttle. Now THAT is annoying! The KTM throttle is so much smoother with the ride by wire and the seat is larger and flatter.
Anyway, thanks for the vids, I can’t get enough of them and I always check my UA-cam favorites to see if there’s a new one from MO!
My rather new 390 is nice but lacks in some areas like power. I see myself moving up to the 890 next year cause the 390 just doesn't have what I want. The Tuareg was a bit too tall for me, but the 890 feels more comfortable for my height of 5'9".
This might be the biggest stretch of the word “ Shootout “ I have ever seen. You should of called it, 4 guys compare 3 bikes that do not compete with each other in hopes of a monetized video.
Why not consider Yamaha Super Tennere Adventure 1200?
Unfair comparison from you, but unexpectedly the 390 ADV killed it over the others
I’d take the $$$ and run with the KTM 390. It’s the best “ Pareto Principle bike,- approx. 80% of the capability at ( not quite but close enough ) 20% of the cost of the other pricier bikes. No contest for me….
Where is the Yamaha tenere or the new Honda transalp? 🤔
Probably couldn't get one. The Yamaha is rare as hens teeth.
They are available everywhere in Aus. The Tenere honeymoon is over.
Tenere 700 World Raid is King !
Really a bummer about the 1250, was curious how that stacked up to these smaller ones.
Touraeg = goldilocks zone for 90% of people/ability
I want to like the bike but just not sure still that the dealer support will be there. I can’t wait to test ride one.
My Goldilocks is still the Africa Twin with the DCT
Looks mid imo
Only problem is that it's made by Aprilia. The new V-Strom 800DE looks like a better option for reliability. See Big Rock Moto channel for details.
I feel like it's not entirely fair to restrict yourself to factory ergos that don't fit you. Show riders how to get a proper fit and you can get sponsorships from protaper etc
While I understand the sentiment, that’s an untenable request. I have modified every motorcycle I’ve owned to make them fit me better, but the changes I make for my 5’11” body probably wouldn’t be enough for a 6’3” rider, like Abhi. Additionally, how would riders benefit from a review of a modded bike, when the mods might not be appropriate for them? It makes more sense to review what you get from the factory that stands a better chance of fitting more people (After all, isn’t that the manufacturer’s job?) than a bike that is set up to my or Ryan’s or John’s or Abhi’s preferences. Now, the 390 is a special case, but we didn’t realize there was a problem until we started riding it in SD.
I've had my Tuareg for a week, but man is that becoming my favorite bike ever!
I really wanted to like the new V-Strom 800, but the ergos simply didn't work for me. Otherwise it's a fantastic bike from what I could tell on my short test ride. Wish that one could have been included in the comparison, too.
The Ducati is more of a halo model for the more wealthy rider both from the initial cost, but also servicing. The Aprilia might certainly lean that way for service costs, too. I'm just well off enough to be able to buy a used Tuareg and be able to bank enough cash to have the $1000 12k service done.
$1000?? Ouch
@@alexaiverson I've heard it range from $800-1200. I haven't asked my local Aprilia dealer, but their hourly rate ($140) is actually quite reasonable compared to the local Japanese shop ($160).
What about KTM 890 AdV...how do you rate it in this class..????
I think 890 adv standard is probably best value and performance
Why no Harley-Davidson Pan America?
Waiting for the Big Bore ADV shootout..😍😍😍
Why?
@@randygravel2057 ..🙄🙄🙄
To plan the next purchase
1. V4 rally , 2. rider skill and excitement level determines ktm 1290 or bmw gsa
No mention of how the bikes were on the road?
Not sure the Tuareg is worth an extra 12 grand over the 390. Super sure the Ducati isnt worth an extra 16.
Unless yu got a great deal on the 390, the tuareg is maybe 4 grand more. It costs 13 - 14 grand.
@@anxiousappliance 390: 10k aud
Tuareg: 22k aud
Desert X: 26k aud
The KTM 390 Adv 6/23/2023 MSRP seems to be $7400 US. For the $ the KTM is more than capable enough to run with that crew of bigger CCs and pricier Touring Bikes…..
I tried a KTM 390 adventure and took it back for a Norden 901 Expedition. I’m 6ft 225 lbs.
I heard the suspension and seat height/width on the 901 Ex makes it a very tall bike. True or false?
@@youtubeaccount9058 I cannot flat foot the bike at my height but, almost can it definitely has a lot of ground clearance.
Well done!
I too have the Norden 901 Expedition and couldn’t be happier. It’s such an amazing bike and at a really fair price.
I’m 6’2” and can flat foot it on low seat position.
Enjoy! 🏍️💨
KTM 390 is a great bike at less than half the price of the others. The Ducati is like 17K!
990 forever
Desert X - stupid place for the air filter. It’s called a Desert X, but spend time in the desert, you’ll have to check the filter. It’s over an hour to pull it apart, lol
Sturgis rally a great event. Lol been there and it isn’t as advertised…just a bunch of trailer queens that hang out all day to get on UA-cam…and good luck getting anything for your bike if it isn’t a Milwaukee 8 bagger…that includes tires and battery’s…..
hmmm.....no *Husqvarna Norden 901 Expedition* ??? What The..!!??!!??!!
Why the heck would you guys have the 390 as part of this shootout? 890 Adv Standard is the one to compare in this category! Was really looking forward to Ryan's opinion of Tuareg vs. 890 Adv!
It was meant to have one bike from each size category. There are plenty of comparisons of comparable bikes.
Because everyone already knows the 890, and the bmw 1250, ducati 950, aprilia 660, ktm 390 was a good spacing of capacity
I know a u tuber from my country who sold his Africa twin and buy a 390 adv because it is lighter but still capable. It is just 170 kg
For someone like me who thought he’d prefer a smaller, lighter bike off-road, it was very instructive
Because it's a KTM. Voila.
Rider height isn't relevant when it comes to reaching the ground - inseam is the critical. I'm about 5'8", but with about a 28" inseam. The KTM 390 is a bit too tall for me - significantly higher than my Tiger Explorer 1200 and a bit higher than my Guzzi V85TT Adventure.
If someone gives you any of these bikes to ride from Patagonia to Alaska, what would you choose? I bet 9/10 riders will choose BMW over any competitors simply due to their customer service and dealer network.
The BMW threw a code b/c you rode it through a puddle? 🤨 Sounds like my BMW 1-series I eventually got rid of.
Yeah, choosing a 390 was a poor move. You need an 890 and a t7 in there boys
When no one says a single word about how horrible the little KTM's foot pegs are when standing, every other opinion is suspect.
I’m surprised no pan am
Touring? Where are the FJR.. Bmw RT, Kawasaki GTR 1400…
$6K in options for the Duke, almost the price of the 390? $3K exhaust, almost half the price of the 390?
Even the Aprilia is twice as much as the 390. Or you can get an Aprilia and a 390 for the price of the Duke.
If this were a car test, it would be akin to testing a loaded Subaru BRZ, a loaded Mustang GT and a well equipped, optioned out Corvette Z06/Z07. No, the Subaru is not as fast but YES, it would keep up in the twisties with them and the lighter weight inspires higher levels of confidence in fast driving than the other two.
The 390 "shortness of greatness" is only a handlebar riser and level footpeg away. No one here complained about the seat, which does soften a bit after riding it for a while, there's always the superior Seat Concepts at $220. Yes it is slower but it is the only bike I would take on a single track. It can go where ALL other Adventure bikes CANNOT. It is the bridge between a Dual Sport and an Adventure bike, mostly due to its weight. It is also the best small Adventure bike, costing a few bucks more than the slower, but slighlty more capable 300cc-sized dual sports from Honda and Kawasaki, but able to deliver passing power on the highway which the DS bikes cannot do. And it is LOADED with features.
Get both Italian women, have no money, and let them drive you crazy!
This is why I like watching independent reviews instead of sponsored “moto-journalist” ones.
Goofy lineup and it was an opinion piece, not a true logic/ergo/performance review.
Part 1 of… the Euro options…? Missing several amazing contenders here.
A “shootout” should pit similar sized and priced categorical machines and should also include road handling.
Im more confused now, thanks.
I dont really consider the ktm390 in the same class as the toureg or ducati. No surprise it was last.
Who crashed the bmw?
It wasn’t me. I was too busy crashing the KTM. Watch the video closely, and you’ll figure out who crashed the GS.
I never understood all the handling compliments regarding the desert x. It’s a bear: it’s heavy, a mile long wheelbase, and a trail like chopper. The engine makes power about 1000rpm too high for an adventure bike.
I mean the tuareg and tiger are like lightsabers in comparison. Compare one against the GS benchmark. Despite the weight difference the GS is a much better handling machine, far more forgiving.
Have you ridden one? The handling on and off road is the reason I made the swap from an 890 Adventure R
Also for what it’s worth I was on a GS adventure before the ktm
@@jackson_foto yes, quite extensively. I’ve ridden a 790 r as well, it’s a much better handling bike.
@@jackson_foto i currently own a 1200gsa as well. There are very few streetbikes that are as nimble as the GS with its aggressive trail and extremely short wheelbase.
@@khakimzhanmiras different strokes for different folks I guess. Amazing that we have so many choices! I did love my 1200GSA on road but have found so much more enjoyment off road on the 890 and DX (particularly being surrounded by largely desert riding). The DX ultimately won out for me.
worthless excuses to make content thats gives no meaningful information .. Not a shootout ..
Adventure bike comparison without the GS and the Honda AT isn’t really very useful.
Well, we had a GS, but it broke. Sorry to disappoint you.
This is the strangest bike comparison I've ever seen. You could not have picked three ADV bikes with less in common.
Yuck. No 890 Adventure. No BMW 850GS/A, ... Nope. Stopped watching after first 1:30. Need all bikes to call it an Adventure bike shootout.
KTM must be offering a good deal to be standing there with the 390 adventure,cause it has a huge flaw,the adventure in its name....
Ok, this wins the absolute dumbest review I have seen to date. Seems like you guys found what you could get your hands on and then said, "let's make video" Why is the KTM even in this comparison? Maybe you could have thrown in a Honda Monkey as well? I cannot stand it when reviewers start talking about which bike they like the best and then throw pricing in there. The Tuareg is a good bike for its class, the KTM a good bike for its class, the DX in a class of only a few. Those are the points you should have made. How about describing why they cost what they cost? The DX as a stock bike is $17k but the bike in the vid has every possible upgrade to make it as expensive as it is so why did you not mention that? For those who wanted real information about these bikes what did you learn? absolutely nothing. I don't care what bike you own, the Tuareg is not in the same class s the Duc. Why you might ask? It is a 660cc motor vs a 937cc motor, it is 69.9 HP vs 111 HP, the DX has a 6 axis IMU, by far the best tech, cruise control, hydraulic clutch, quick shifter, blipper, after market crash bars, skid plate oil pump protector, ralley seat, full Termy exhaust with the EVO map, heated grips. The Tuareg does not have the 6 axis IMU, cable clutch, no quick shifter (available as aftermarket) no exhaust or map, no crash bars, no seat upgrade, no skid plate or other protection. I have ridden both and if you know what you are doing on the dirt that Tuareg will not keep up with the Desert X as described by your off road expert in the vid. Aprilia has a garbage dealer network and customer care. The bottom line is that the DX is more expensive because it is a higher quality machine period. The Aprilia is a great machine for its class but add some of those features to the Tuareg that are stock on the DX and you start seeing the price gap close. Lastly, the DX is almost like a sport bike in the corners it handles so well.......the Tuareg is not in the same league and shouldn't be.....that is why it is a king of the 700 ish class. The only bikes you should be comparing are the KTM890R, Tiger and the DX because they are the only ones in that class.
I guess you missed the part where we had a GS to represent the heavyweight class, giving us a bike from each of the ADV categories. Unfortunately, we had a mechanical with the GS and had to change our approach. Give the choice to adapt and push on and to cancel the whole project, what would you have done?
Clearly you feel we should have heaped more love on the DesertX. You’re entitled to that opinion. Go enjoy the Ducati. We aren’t trying to stop you.
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist No, I did not miss that and it would have made it even more pointless. What I have issues with are that you guys are, admittedly, unqualified dirt riders (apart from one I suppose) but all of you provided "Professional" feedback on the very thing people buy these bikes for when you don't even know what qualifies a bike to be good off road. It was obvious from the first word that the Aprilia was the "winner" but you give no details.....is it a perfect machine? you would think so based on this so called review. The Aprilia has a bunch of price point short comings and people buy based on your reviews but you don't mention what it lacks in comparison to the DX, why it is so much cheaper? You also gloss over the fact that the DX was fully loaded and call it a $24k machine which is misleading because you don't say why. You also don't mention that the DX, when set in Enduro mode, drops the power to 75HP's but instead you say that it has too much power for the dirt.......gee, the Aprilia is 69HP compared to the DX's 75HP....wouldn't that be good to know before buying? I am not here to bash any of the bikes but I have owned or ridden each one of these bikes. I have purchased based on "professional" reviews before and have been burned do to unqualified opinions like these. My personal opinion is that the Aprilia is a fantastic bike for the money but it is not in the same league as the DX and I believe I articulated why above. You can't compare three completely different machines at completely different price points and then in the final assessment say I have to eliminate said bike because I can't personally afford one. You were the ones who decided to do such a dumb comparison so you make sense of it? Now your watcher/buyers will walk away with the Aprilia Tuareg as the bike they are gonna buy whether they can afford better or not. Don't have "Moto journalist" in your title if this is going to be an opinion piece....especially one when you are not qualified. I constantly see how certain manufacturers always get the love, some for good reason and some not so much. To answer your question would I push on. sure, but not in this way. Look, you get what you pay for and that simplifies the whole review. For your listeners out there....I can personally say that each bike is great in its respective class but the DX is by far the best machine, most sophisticated, most capable on and off road period and you are gonna pay for that. However, you are gonna pay $17k not $24k as was suggested but you can certainly make it a $24k bike just like you could make the Aprilia a $20k bike by adding parts etc. The problem is that the there are certain features you simply cannot get on the Aprilia and never will until Aprilia decides to offer it on the Tuareg......and guess what? that will jack the price up. If it were like for like the Aprilia would cost the same as the DX but it isn't and people need to know that. Also, people need to know that owning an Aprilia will be challenging because the dealer network sucks, getting parts from Aprilia is next to impossible and God forbid you breakdown.......those are things people need to know and those are based on fact not opinion. I look forward to the Harley Road Glide Special vs a Horse named Skippy comparison video coming up next......which one will be best for you?
So, you are discounting the part where we broke down the DesertX’s premium parts and recommended just getting the $1,500 protection package? Really, I don’t know why you’re so upset. The DesertX is the best performing bike of the bunch, but is it the best bike for all riders? To take advantage of the additional power and handle the weight, a rider needs a higher skill set. That’s not a bad thing. It just is. Our group opinion was that the DesertX was the best performing bike of the bunch and the Tuareg was the most balanced, which might make it appeal to more riders of a wider range of skills. Personally, the Ducati’s engine is one of my favorites of all time, and I am considering getting a Multistrada 950S (or V2) as a personal bike. I’m sorry you feel we let you down, but I’m comfortable with what we produced in this video. We will continue to endeavor to improve our video content.
You are very upset - too bad the vid doesn't come with a hug.
I have to agree with the part of your comment that it was a review of “what you could get your hands on.” But I still appreciated seeing the bikes and their features out in the rough.