Pavo Pico vs Mobula 8 // DJI 03 Micro FPV // Which is right for you
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Comparing two DJI 03 micro drones. Many flight samples in hopes of covering as many curious questions as possible.
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How important is having a DJI O3 on a micro to you? I really don't think we will see one that offers much if any camera protection. A better option with DJI goggles might be to run the compatible vista/link air units. 😕
Image not as nice on those.... Range and penetration also not as good
I’m thinking if you needed a really small “cinewhoop” to get decent footage (thinking the stabilized video from the O3) it might be worth it? Otherwise going with a vista/link would be lighter for just flying and not caring about footage for uploading to UA-cam or maybe light commercial work. That being said, Pavo Pico with O3 might be the cheapest O3 quad out there at $334 for everything. I’m ordering the frame in hopes the rumor is true about the price drop to $179 which would make a basically $285 O3 indoor/small park flyer.
I only really care about having an 03 on small quads that don't carry a GoPro well, so I have one on a pavo pico for inside cinematic and close proximity to people and a 3” converted from a crux35 for outdoor with decent performance. Anything bigger I'm happy with a vista for flying with a mounted GoPro mini or osmo action.
My 03 osd has frozen in the middle of a flight few times on my pavo pico build and if I didn't notice it, would have flown until it dropped out of the sky from low battery. Luckily I usually notice that the voltage hasn't changed in a while and land, except for the first time it happened.
Just for freestyle and enjoyment, running the Mobula 8 as is but just decasing the 03 unit itself (no the camera) might be fantastic ito performance...thanks for another great video Nick, and the effort that goes into editing the stuff.
I got it because I wanted the high quality video and to avoid the remote id issue. The downside, mainly, is battery life (I have Pico). I have had video drop out in the middle of flying and when I did a trick requiring a punch out several times. Makes me want to put the O3 on a bigger quad, but I don't want to worry about the 250gram thing.
For those wondering, BOTH quads can be used with the DJI Remote Controller 2 (DJI FPV Remote)
What if i buy mobula 8 as my first drone what else should i buy with it ?? Ts16s as remote and what will be best for goggles ?
@@adilchopdar7746 Goggles 2 (or the cheaper but great Goggles Integra) or the V2
Wait even if you buy the ELRS version? or are you saying there is a DJI version you can purchase that will work with DJI controller 2?
@@samjackson564 The ELRS version. There is a detailed video betafpv put out on how to change the SBUS and bind the DJI Remote Control 2 to the ELRS version of the quad.
@@walkoss460 I fly the V2. Personally I find the bigger field of view to be immersive. If you value better screen quality and smaller form factor than FOV and refresh rate then maybe the Goggles 2 or Integra is better for you.
Great video, Nick! I really appreciate the time you took to make this comparison for us. As always, very helpful. Thanks so much
I know it's not the same, but my HD0 Mob8 arrived today. Looking forward to flying it once the weather starts to cooperate.
That should be fun back yard/park ripper.
order spare frame. And source the long screws for canopy.
Was looking forward to this........
Worth the wait.
Excellent as always
Thank you so much for putting so much effort into it! Really really helpful!
after 43 seconds, I entered as the 4th visitor. I really like these mini drones and thank you very much for presenting them.
The Mobula 8 is a clear winner for me. I donʻt fly in doors much, but I do want the extra grunt. Thank goodness everything is plug and play for happy model and I can easily swap out to their older motors they used to run on a similarly size quad, the 1204 7000kv motors.
side by side is cool. You should try flying the same route only one fly 3 inchs to the right. It would make a crazy 3D stereoscope
Thanks for doing this, nick. I feel like with this kind of power and weight, i'd choose the slightly larger prop size of the mobula than the limited novelty of a bit tinier pavo.
different tools for different jobs for sure.
They're not perfect but the Pico has been solid for me. Slap on an ND and you'll get virtually low to no jello. Good stuff Nick
I really want an 03 on a tiny quad for all these indoor manufacturing fly throughs. TONS of small gaps and 85mm is a lot smaller than a 95mm with a naked GoPro sticking up out of the top.
Great video! Being a rookie pilot, availability of parts is always big for me. I own the Pico and had a fairly minor crash, but I managed to prop nick my camera cable (had to replace it even though it was very minor) and the O3 frame/housing was partially ripped from the frame. 2 of the 4 rubber grommets were ripped in half and had to be replaced. I'm guessing the camera hit first causing the damage. The Pico did come with 2 replacement grommets but next crash I will be out of luck.
Those mipi cables are pretty fragile up against our props. And there is a large number of smaller wires inside the main cable sheath. looking at the grommetts I think those are standard AIO rubber grometts. I think these should work as well. www.amazon.com/Anti-Vibration-Rubber-Damping-20mmx20mm-Controller/dp/B09NCD3PNG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1H4K6NTJPWDEE&keywords=m2+flight+controller+rubber&qid=1689871188&sprefix=m2+flight+controller+rubber%2Caps%2C123&sr=8-4
2/2 of my air units had a loose camera lens barrel from the factory. Didn't feel loose but a tiny bit of glue did fix my jello/jitters, so it must have been the issue.
I did hear about this issue. I presume yours were part of those early O3 units?
Thanks for the in-depth comparison, I appreciate how you address the durability issues Nick. I recently purchased a Flywoo cinerace 20, as a recommendation from someone else's channel. Turns out it isn't as durable as they let on, especially for a newb who crashes alot.
durability is a massive variable. Crashes, crash types and flight environment all contribute to breakages or not. Similar to video reception, environment and equipment does have a huge impact.
Lol my wife loves that game, reminds her of harvest moon! Too funny! Looking forward to a more in depth head to head, I remember in you mob 8 o3 video you said it was better for acro freestyle. That's how I made my choice
Pretty neat stuff.. Really great job comparing them. As always, your video is on point...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Great job was waiting for this one just fun to see and hear your thoughts 😀 😊
great video brother and amazing flying as always!!!! very informative as alwyas to!!!!! Stay Blessed and flying high!!!!
Yes, scroller or side scroller was correct and do ppl really say it's lazy, i wouldn't know I just think being able to hear and listen to how loud the quad is helps during the Reviews.
It might be a small number of viewers who express the "lazy" sentiment. Its always hard to tell as the number of views vs comments has a wide gaps.
Nice comparison, thanks! Cheers from Estonia.
My Pavo Pico caught fire mid air. Replaced with the newer 20A version and it has jitters in the video with and without rocksteady on. I can’t get good video out of it. Put the O3 in bigger frame to see if it was ok and video is perfect with Rocksteady on. I gave up on it. Thinking of getting the Mobula 8 version since it appears to me to be the better flyer.
Leaning towards mobula8 myself…
Stardew valley is a great game! also thanks for doing this comparison on these. Always great content, thanks Nick
Great work Nick thank you. GB. Other Pops
I was very surprised to find that I basically didn't have any problems with jello the first time I took my Pico out, even when it was windy enough to require quite a bit of stick deflection to fly into the wind. I did print out a couple of small TPU washers to use between the camera module and the mounting struts prior to the first flight though, so I don't know for certain if that made it smoother than it would've been out of the box. Either way, the ability to get footage that is comparable to a GoPro from a quad as small as a Pico or Mobula 8 is awesome.
That is good quality you are reporting there. Maybe those prints are the solution.
Could you go any deepter into the explanation of what you did with the washers? :)
@@looplouie1160 I basically just used some 95A TPU to print out a couple of washers about 1mm thick, and put them between the mount and the camera module of the O3. Gets rid of the play in the adjustment and provides some extra vibration dampening.
Mobula 8. You can fit Gemfan D51-5s, the best props for smooth cinewhoop-style flight with a 2-inch platform, at least in my experience.
Is it quieter?
@@ha-media Probably. It's a whoop; the Pico's a pusher. The Pico's definitely going to be a screechy little thing. The Mob8's hoop struts could be noisy, tho'. Hard to know without trying both.
The remote 2 can be purchased separately from dji. And it originally came with the dji FPV.
okay. I haven't followed the DJI drones all that much.
Great Job Nick!
Fantastic flying and comparison, Nick! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
BTW, "Eject! Eject! Eject!"
watch the canopy...top gun.
Liked Mobula better. Partially because PAVO used plug with contacts slightly longer than usual and I burned down the FC on third or fourth flight by reverse-connecting the battery (first case in 4 years using XT-30 plugs) :(
Mobula flights much better, like freestyle but the frame is flimsy - after rather minor crash three out of four screw posts broke off, leaving me waiting for spare frame.
Hi nick thanks for making this video right when I need to make a purchasing choice between these quads
which way are you leaning?
Oh boy, decisions decisions...I pre-ordered the Moby8 but now I'm back to undecided LOL.
They both look great . Thanks for all you do Nick.
I personally think you made the right decision. The mob 8 has a little more punch and better freestyle capability I think and the the frames are a little stronger and also a little cheaper i beleive so you'll spend less when you inevitably crack a frame. Plus mobula has a special place in my heart because they were my first 4 or 5 little builds and brought me into the hobby. I think you'll really enjoy your mob8. on a scale of 1-10 I'd give the mob8 an 8 and the pavpico a 7.
Stardew valley is amazing! Happy little mention there, lol great review my friend, thank you for all you do!
She continues to play on her "down time".
Stardew Valley!
Would love an update on your thoughts with the new pico v2 feat 20a aio, which now allows 3s. Thanks for everything Nick!
I could only do that if I have one. the difference on the same prop size is generally going to be a slight performance increase as well as slightly more flight time.
Nick, thanks for the honest reviews. Once a channel turns into fake-paid content, they are done for. You seem legit
Thank you. I didn’t start making videos to make money, I was in search of a hobby as work had taken over my free time.
Great flight comparison videos. 👍😎
Thank you
You don’t play video games you play real life video games 🤣
Awesome as always.
Hard to choose i have stuff from betafpv and happy model both good.... Tks...
I dont have propellars guards on pavo pico, its a large diference in flight ! For better
Mobula is close to my heart because they were 3 of my first 4 quads and started me in the hobby with analog whoops ❤ after I got my iflight baby nazgul analog (63mm) it really started ramping up my love for iflight and the nazguls and after 2 years flying them i branched out with the 5inch evoque f5 v2. And protek35 and cinelog 25 with cadx vista's and dji gear. Nazguls and mobulas/moblites/mobthiccs were what brought me in the hobby and happy model and iflight will be close to my heart for life!! ❤ they're just kind of sentimental for me and I'll always have a mob build and a nazgul evoque in my arsenal no matter what. If anyone is new to whoops or new to 5 inch I highly recommend any version of these whoops and quads!
The pavo pics footage at 5:15 is jumping/stuttering at regular intervals.. something must have happened in post? Maybe you had it recording at a different frame rate?
Cool quads, nice flyin Peace🙂
Hi. Thank you for the content. Your flying skills are awesome.
Can you share your rates for cinematic and speed flying ?
I got a mobula8, still waiting for batteries. It looks that we might be able to use fc stack screws gummies for mounting the o3 to the frame. Do you think it might be a good idea to reduce jello ?
This video covers my rates ua-cam.com/video/llpHcWQx8q8/v-deo.html I use the same rates for all flight
6:42 you cut the corner and that is why the pico wins :') haha!
Hi Nick. Great video. Is there a new version of the pavo pico? V2?
Not that I see or have seen.
make Pavo20 vs Mobula 8 // DJI 03 please :)
I have both of them, I think pavo pico is faster and its better for flights but mobula8 flyes good as well
hehe, Stardew Valley Nick, rad game =)
ah dang. Maybe I was teasing her with my "rename" of the game.
@@NickBurnsFPV definitely got a chuckle out of me =)
How loud are they compared with a 1s whoop ?im looking for something digital that isn't too loud for indoor and outdoor
way louder. Also I include flight audio in all my videos for viewers to compare.
@@NickBurnsFPVand less flight time?
@@jasonleesuffolk generally as we add more cells to the same size or prop the flight time goes up. there is a point in battery weight where we no longer get more flight time and it can go down.
Great video Nick thanks! My Mob 8 O3 arrives tomorrow 😁Any reason you didn't show any footage of Rocksteady? Or was it that bad lol
I did rocksteady testing and yes, it sucks! Lol You're way better off running your files through Gyroflow
@@ThatGuyPhly Thought as much ha ha, I will use Giroflow 👍
Main reason I don’t use stabilization is it covers up issues with the quad or at the very least doesn’t represent how the quads fly and the in google experience. Also if I did use it, then we would likely see comments on “how” it was used.
@@NickBurnsFPV and that my friend is a great reason why you don't use it. Thanks for the great, honest reviews!🤘🏽
@@NickBurnsFPV Too true, too many variables involved. It would just turn into a big debate lol
Stardew valley. Farming Simulator. She hopes to be a farmer when she grows up!!
My experience is the Mobula 8 frame si easy to break. But is very cheap at least. I usually glue it with B-7000 glue and it works a while. Does anyone know if E6000 glue is better than B7000 glue for fpv frame fixes?
I have the same question, which one would be better e6000 or b7000..
I use welder as I have seen variants of quality or adhesion with e6000. When comparing frame breakage of the mobula8 frame what are we comparing it to and is the comparison with analog or hd video systems…thinking weight here
@@NickBurnsFPV e.g. Betafpv meteor75 pro frame is much more durable in my opinion (I crashed it many times:)). The mobulas8 plastic is hard but fragile. My frame was broke very soon in connection points of motor base with main propellers guard. It's the weakest spot of the frame
@@j1rka. That very well might be. I wouldn't want to compare durability to much between different sized quads and potentially different power and weight.
I bought both. My Pavo Pico AIO burnt out. Still awaiting response from BetaFPV.
oh shoot! What was the symptom?
@@NickBurnsFPV No idea what happened. Lost video after landing went to pick up the drone in the other room and the negative wire and all the DJI wires have blown off.
@@ha-media sounds like a short of some sort.
What goggles are you using and thanks great video
That is the dji goggles 2 in this video.
Hey Nick. If loudness is important, which one of the two would you choose? Is the Pavo Pico more quiet than Mobula 8?
I don't have a tool to measure. To my ear they are very close, with the pavo being more high pitched which could carry more.
Would love to know what your rates are you put into beta flight…do you think you can share them.. trying to fly the same drone in the house and soo not happening …
I have a video on it ua-cam.com/video/llpHcWQx8q8/v-deo.htmlsi=cOzE17RdUT-tbkjv
Why you do not have the prop guard on video with pavo? I saw that it is a ganeral problem with this frame? Thx in advance :)❤
I don't know what general problem you speak of. Generally its just about mounting and camera angle.
Ok !? I saw others complaining. I will se when i have the drone :) i just place the order. Thx. Have a good day🎉
Second. Weeeeeeee
Mikey
Good video.
the pavo sounds like it is making more thrust but the mob flies a lot better? id love these quads but in open frame rippers
the pavo, to my ear, has a high pitch to the noise profile. Which can make us think it should produce more thrust, but its a smaller prop so not so much. Even with the added weight of the mobula8 the larger prop produces more thrust faster than the smaller prop on a smaller motor.
@@NickBurnsFPV oooh i thought they ran the same size props, makes a lot of sence thanks for claryfying!
@@christhorney my pleasure. Mobula8 2inch prop, pavo pico 45mm prop
Aren’t you able to get rid of, or at least decrease, the jello with ND-filters to get a lower shutter speed?
ND filters will help. I don't tend to use them in review videos as that doesn't show core performance.
@@NickBurnsFPV Good point trying to give each system as much the same conditions as possible.
mobula 8 or pavo 20?
I think the differentiator on those two is inside flight. I think the mobula8 will be easier to fly in tight spaces and the pavo20 more durable.
I received my Mobula8 03 a few days ago. Only had a handful of flights and now the 03 unit will not power on. Still works on USB. Have you had any issues with the 03 units?
I haven't, I have read about a few...less than a handful of people that have had issues with the O3. One that I recall is going back to running the vista/link vtx.
Maybe power wire problem ? Please double check was the connector loose from the O3 or the flight controller or broken with the wires.
Hi, I’ve just received mine and I can’t bind it to my dji controller2. I have the video in my goggles2, the dji controller seams to be binded ( bip and green lights fixed ) but nothing happens when I move the sticks or switches.
Can somebody help me please.
Did you switch serial rx to UART6 and select sbus for receiver provider ?
The prop guards on the mob8 are visible at low angle :(
Move the camera up to the high screw point and it’s not. I believe I mentioned this in the video
Hey Nick, can the cinewhoops do power loops?
yes, if we have the skills :)
Hello
Both are one-crasher whoops - first real crash and broke (camera, O3 mount)
Its always possible with the right crash. So far the mobula8 frame broke on my inside fast flights. Didn't attempt the same with the pavo pico
Been ripping the crap out of my Pico and I've only suffered a minor crack on one of the ducts. As for 03 protection, use an ND 💯
Stardew valley!!❤
Thanks, I don't know why, but I have been surprised how many are familiar with that game. Our 15 year old will be so happy with everyone correcting me :)
@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you for your reply. Stardew Valley is quite famous all over the world
@@NickBurnsFPV My younger kids love it. Especially for not being a fighting oriented game. It's pretty wholesome.
Hello i recently got a mobula 7 1s and been doing great with it i used to be into the hobby preety big but go out of it and go that to get back to it and now im looking for a better faster whoop for outside what do u recommend been looking at mobula 8 and meteor 75 pro and the 85 one also thinking a crux 35 but kinda wanna go for another whoop till i start getting to far into it definitely was rusty at first but maxed out this mobula7 1s farly quick and wanting faster and better acro
to get a faster or more thrust producing whoop the mobula 8 would be a logical step. Its not really indoor friendly which the meteor75 pro is more indoor friendly. But for outdoor I think the mobula 8 is better.
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Can one of those be modified to fly for 20 minutes cruising and stay under 250g?
I hesitate to say no, but I might lack the creativity to see. If I had to guess I think 12 minutes might be due able but 20 seems a really far stretch.
Which did you like the most?
the one in this category but not in this video that I like the most is the flywoo flylens85
Thats on the list! @@NickBurnsFPV
Is it true that pusher configuration are louder?
I can't validate that. In general when we have prop protection they are loud and in either configuration the air has to move through that protection making the prop noise far louder.
@@NickBurnsFPV ah I see, that is why people always said 1s toothpick are the quitest quad ever.
Both models leave that giant camera so exposed. D: It needs at least some protection.
Unfortunately, I just don't think we can effectively get camera protection with an O3 and a micro with 2inch props or less.
The Pavo video seems off and kinda jerky when you were ripping around , not smooth … It was most obvious after seeing the Mob 8. I actually went back and watched again and yeah the video seems worse. Maybe someone will let me know if they see the same thing .
Saw that as well. May it be a frame rate conversion in cut?
I did use the same settings when I rendered the raw dvr footage as the main(youtube published) video. Is it mainly those moments at 0 throttle? The pavo pico does have wobbles at 0 throttle.
@@zeromodefpv would that cause it to have a rhythm ? I watched it again and it almost seems consistently timed . I have ZERO editing experience…
@@NickBurnsFPV No is something else like a frame is missing. I originally watched it on my phone . Then went to the laptop to watch frame by frame and it happens on every 11th frame or so you can see it best when you are doing the slow flight by the fence for reference. You can see a clear jump forward. I didn’t notice it on the inside side by side , but could see it in all the other Pavo footage.
@@johnkurpiewski3996 @NickBurnsFPV Yes i see the same thing.. it looks almost like a car running out of gas.. lurching forward and then slowing down... it looks like a video de-sync issue..
I didn't see any jello only cello ;)
Indeed. Our 15 yr old has been playing for a number of years.
how did you record the audio?
secondary cell phone camera
@@NickBurnsFPVmounted on the drone?
@@markusfalcone537 No, sitting on the table about 3 feet from me while flying.
Thanks to stupid Japan drone and FPV regulations I’m mostly flying indoors, so I went with the Pavo Pico.
I can say the mob8 frame is complete rubbish if you do anything but slow cruisy
Yeah. We know you are a shill for{insert company name here} making and suppressing jello for {insert company name here}
I wish I had jello suppression powers. I could bottle that up and sell it :)
Hello from Ukraine my dream flying how you're.but in my country war and i don't.
I wish you and those with you a speedy end to the terrible conflict. Keep the dream, one day it will come true for you.