Jurgen Klopp’s FINAL GAME at Liverpool! Is he an all-time Premier League great? | ESPN FC

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  • ESPN’s Football Forecast team of James Allcott, Harry Symeou and Kim Kothari debate whether Jurgen Klopp will be remembered as an all-time great Premier League manager.
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  • @allsportsclipsworldwide8082
    @allsportsclipsworldwide8082 15 днів тому +5

    Top 5 all time premier league managers it’s a small list
    (1) Ferguson
    (2) Pep
    (3) Wenger
    (4) Mourinho
    (5) Ranieri no one will even win a league with a team like that, that alone is legendary

  • @asparapee4213
    @asparapee4213 15 днів тому +4

    115 charges. To say that Pep is head and shoulders above when everyone knows his club cheated, and even if you are foolish enough to believe they didn't cheat, Pep's budget DWARFED that of Klopp's. To say Pep is better while ignoring the two giant elephants in the room is staggeringly dishonest or stupid.

  • @kdjannie3214
    @kdjannie3214 15 днів тому +8

    Mac City's success the past 9 years is tied to Liverpool. You can't talk about their titles without also talking about Jurgen Klopp and Liverpool. Pep said it himself. That makes Klopp a great.

    • @eyesopen66
      @eyesopen66 15 днів тому +1

      For losing? Losing 7 out of 8 EPL title to Pep make's JK great? How on earth do you come up with that logic? 🤣😅

    • @MrKaravaj
      @MrKaravaj 15 днів тому

      @@eyesopen66 There is more to it, you only look blindly at end results

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 15 днів тому

      ​@@MrKaravajthat's how we define greatness

  • @DrunkenPhoenix30032
    @DrunkenPhoenix30032 15 днів тому +11

    Klopp managed about 480 LFC matches. Change just four results and he has 3 PL titles and 3 UCL titles. Dude brought his team to 97 points and didn’t win the league. It’s crazy!

  • @shanghai72
    @shanghai72 15 днів тому +8

    If Klopp would have got the Money Pep got for his Squad he would have won more titels. So yes he ist up there with Pep, and if you would ask Pep he would agree.

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 15 днів тому

      He spent 1.1b

    • @SrinathWorldView
      @SrinathWorldView 15 днів тому +1

      @@russellward4624 What's the net spend? Klopp's Liverpool spent the least of the Top 6 during his time. One can talk anything without context, but context is king.

    • @grealish2234
      @grealish2234 15 днів тому

      ​@@SrinathWorldViewand they won only 1 pl for the spend . Like pep has spent won and won way more

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 14 днів тому

      @SrinathWorldView I don't care. Net spendnisna stupid stat lfc fans made up to pretend they're the little sisters of the poor. When you buy a new car, do you just spend the money you earn from the used car?

  • @roosdacoos
    @roosdacoos 15 днів тому +19

    115 charges

  • @malcolmairair205
    @malcolmairair205 15 днів тому +1

    Pep as always been at a club with the most money and resources, kloop as always built up clubs and won major honours, Pep will always buys world class player, Kloop makes world class.

  • @jamilushehu4646
    @jamilushehu4646 15 днів тому +1

    The point is how many coaches won the premier league? Not many. So if you win only one, it automatically makes you a legend. No matter how you look at it, both Pep and Klopp are legends, period.

  • @micksr8680
    @micksr8680 15 днів тому +3

    it's a stupid senseless discussion.
    Look at your toes - then rank them which one has done the best job

  • @CommunionCups
    @CommunionCups 15 днів тому +5

    Lol arguing fan relationship over results is an uber weird take.

  • @dhavalsalvi7705
    @dhavalsalvi7705 15 днів тому +11

    Non-existent debate. Klopp is an all time legend

  • @nawwk79
    @nawwk79 14 днів тому

    Kloop is definitely top 5 best manager in EPL history.
    He is in the same league a Pep, Ferguson and Wenger.

  • @ericthekop9624
    @ericthekop9624 15 днів тому +1

    I miss him.

  • @kavengovender7256
    @kavengovender7256 15 днів тому +2

    He made us believe again !
    So yes he is great

  • @chriscam876
    @chriscam876 15 днів тому

    It's rough when Klopp has hit 92 and 97 points in separate seasons and ending up 2nd is brutal. He's an all-time great, Pep's just better.

  • @spiderneil
    @spiderneil 14 днів тому

    The massive elephant in the room is the 115 charges. This is a massive issue that can't and shouldn't be ignored. As far as I'm concerned, City's achievements have a massive asterisk beside them.

  • @user-hu8yy6xo5g
    @user-hu8yy6xo5g 15 днів тому +1

    i love him.

  • @aswinaswj
    @aswinaswj 15 днів тому

    The only team to get 90+ points 3 times and win only once.
    A team that got a total of 110 points from a 38 match spell,
    His average point total per season is around 85.
    That wins him 3,4 titles in any other era. Lets talk when Klopp is remembered as a the only manager who prevented City from winning 10 in a row.

  • @redders3487
    @redders3487 15 днів тому

    Geeez. If Liverpool don’t sell Coutinho they don’t buy Alisson or VVD. That’s not the same rules that Man City operate under. The equivalent would be Man City could only have bought Ederson and Stones if they sold KDB. The restrictions and rules are completely different

  • @mwinters83
    @mwinters83 15 днів тому

    Klopp versus Pep in head to head is 12 wins to 11 wins for Pep with the rest being draws plus beating them in Champions League.

  • @mitchell1346
    @mitchell1346 13 днів тому

    Liverpool’s wins aren’t tainted by corruption. That’s the difference.

  • @kibrombirhane2396
    @kibrombirhane2396 14 днів тому

    Could pep do what klopp did in liverpool if he was liverpool manager?
    I don't think so
    But klopp colud did what pep did in city.

  • @KamalCell-jl7ni
    @KamalCell-jl7ni 15 днів тому +1

  • @ruthmanwesley8255
    @ruthmanwesley8255 15 днів тому

    Alex Ferguson - Full Stop

  • @crobisbobis
    @crobisbobis 15 днів тому +5

    Show me another coach in the PL that has beaten Pep for the League.. Ill wait.

    • @MarioLopez-rn2bs
      @MarioLopez-rn2bs 15 днів тому +1

      That season only counts on paper. It would have been nice if he would have beat him in a normal season where the stakes are much higher.

    • @logirex
      @logirex 15 днів тому +5

      Antonio Conte did it in 2017 when Pep finished 3rd with City also 🤦‍♂

    • @user-qj9pj1sx5d
      @user-qj9pj1sx5d 15 днів тому +1

      So failing to beat pep makes you great? 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @SrinathWorldView
      @SrinathWorldView 15 днів тому

      @@user-qj9pj1sx5d What? Klopp is the only manager to have beaten Pep in his pomp to the Premier League title so far.

    • @SrinathWorldView
      @SrinathWorldView 15 днів тому

      @@MarioLopez-rn2bs Why? We won 25 out of 26 games, before games were suspended. What makes you think the stakes were lower then? Pep was beaten fair and square that season, and if we'd bothered to turn up in the last few games after we won the title, we'd have broken Pep's 100 point record, not to mention, we were 11 mm away due to a John Stones clearance from an unbeaten title the previous season.

  • @rabbyrotten7566
    @rabbyrotten7566 15 днів тому

    Depends on how short the list is,if its top 5 no chance,top 10 probably not,top 20 in with a shout

  • @Will5281
    @Will5281 15 днів тому

    i am sure what Pep did at city, Klopp can do as well but what Klopp did at Liverpool, can Pep do it as well? Pep had only managed the champion teams of the leagues.

    • @grealish2234
      @grealish2234 15 днів тому

      1 pl and 1 ucl mate . That's it

    • @Will5281
      @Will5281 15 днів тому

      @@grealish2234 i meant if they switch teams

  • @JR-sj1jz
    @JR-sj1jz 15 днів тому

    0:52 did he really say Klopp will go down as their best ever manager? Can someone at ESPN teach this lad about Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley.
    The question should have been is Klopp a PL great. What does one need be a PL great? Is it about titles or more? Is Shearer a PL great despite winning "only" one title? Why did the other lad talk about Klopp's first season stats when he took over after the season started. Ancelloti, Conte, Dalglish, Klopp, Mancini, Ranieri, Pellegrini each have 1 title. Does it mean they all belong on the same pedestal?
    There was so much more to be said instead we got this drivel to put it politely, which seemed to be all about Pep.
    Of course with 1 title he can never be the greatest so it's pointless bringing that up. Ans it's so very unlike Alcott who I really like. But it seems when he goes onto ESPN, his debates are much more shallow than the ones he does on his own channel. More aimed to get reactions rather than enlighten.

  • @MASnycli
    @MASnycli 15 днів тому +2

    Klopp v Pep - one accomplished amazing things *without cheating and one didn’t. The great one is the one that actively preached *against cheating, not the one that had to cheat to win.

  • @qnonbs
    @qnonbs 15 днів тому +2

    Klopp is an all time great. He has had his team punching above their weight for years. Liverpool had no right to be competing with Man City and their 115 charges.

    • @user-qj9pj1sx5d
      @user-qj9pj1sx5d 15 днів тому +1

      Liverpool fans and victim mentality.... Every body will remember he won one league title in 9 yrs.

    • @Yoyo-sy5kl
      @Yoyo-sy5kl 15 днів тому

      ​@@user-qj9pj1sx5dyou are charged by the league not Liverpool fans.
      The cloud will forever hang over Pep's head until the issue is sorted.

  • @HOPEALIVEAPPAREL
    @HOPEALIVEAPPAREL 15 днів тому

    What have these two on the platform achieved to be talking about klopp in this manner? Man go sleep

  • @GIBBO4182
    @GIBBO4182 15 днів тому +8

    1 title isn’t enough to be called an all time PL great

  • @ruthmanwesley8255
    @ruthmanwesley8255 15 днів тому

    All the debate about if and should, makes me believe klopp aint a premier league great

  • @Jaycee52548
    @Jaycee52548 15 днів тому +6

    he won one title ffs

  • @Boags
    @Boags 14 днів тому

    Klopp is better for me.

  • @Yoyo-sy5kl
    @Yoyo-sy5kl 15 днів тому

    I wonder if Pep will be a premier league great with the 115 hanging over his head.

  • @B.C36
    @B.C36 15 днів тому +1

    I thought he was a decent guy until I saw him being unfair to that TV sports interviewer. He seems to have an anger management problem.

  • @BambinoAmericano
    @BambinoAmericano 15 днів тому +1

    Klopp is an all-time 2nd.

  • @bogisimonsen471
    @bogisimonsen471 15 днів тому

    Come on this guy does hasen´t got a clue..Firstly you can hardly compare Klopp and Pep, City has broken evry rule in the book regarding FFP because the rules whern´t inforced by the powers to be. Just imagen if Newcastle could do the same thing as City, they would win evry PL from here to rapture.
    These guys are rather stupid because they say that Pep is the best ever, but they do not talk about how good Klopp needed to be to push Pep the way he has???

  • @eyesopen66
    @eyesopen66 15 днів тому

    Anybody, anybody who thinks that JK has been better than Pep or even close to Pep in abilities has to be utterly delusional and or a very partisan lfc fan?
    Pep might win his 6th in 8 seasons.
    Pep has marginally better resources than Klopp. It's not like 10 to 1 or whatever? Like lfc fan's would want you to believe.

    • @Yoyo-sy5kl
      @Yoyo-sy5kl 15 днів тому

      Well there is also the 115.
      So we want to know is this Man City team assembled on a sham?
      Klopp won things with the money he had available and didnt have to rewrite the books.

  • @allsportsclipsworldwide8082
    @allsportsclipsworldwide8082 15 днів тому

    Not at all Klopp is not a legend one title that was not really a real season it’s not a debate

  • @chitticom
    @chitticom 15 днів тому +1

    Seriously LFC channel

  • @snoopeastwood816
    @snoopeastwood816 15 днів тому +3

    comment section going to be full of liverpool haters ... don't compare Klopp to Pep, Oil City eer Man City.
    Klopp won everything possible in his career at Liverpool and will always be an Icon on Merseyside
    YNWA

    • @adamcraig1468
      @adamcraig1468 15 днів тому +1

      Go do it with a mid table side. Liverpool still spent hundreds of millions. Nothing impressive with winning trophies with the cabal clubs at the top.

  • @smirkfella4548
    @smirkfella4548 14 днів тому

    This dude is soooooo wrong.

  • @adamcraig1468
    @adamcraig1468 15 днів тому +1

    Lol klopp is so overrated

  • @tumusiimemoses3804
    @tumusiimemoses3804 15 днів тому

    Pep has made your Ligue look like a French Ligue

  • @eyesopen66
    @eyesopen66 15 днів тому

    No!

  • @tahjairchristian4508
    @tahjairchristian4508 15 днів тому +6

    Pep couldn't have done what klopp did at liverpool

    • @ivanbravo4536
      @ivanbravo4536 15 днів тому +2

      We will never know. So just let it go m8.😂

    • @STILLPHENOM
      @STILLPHENOM 15 днів тому

      No one will. Guaranteed

    • @_bruce132
      @_bruce132 15 днів тому +1

      Just the sheer amount of fullbacks and center backs Pep went through alone would have bankrupted FSG

    • @MarioLopez-rn2bs
      @MarioLopez-rn2bs 15 днів тому +1

      Switch Pep and Klopp and Pep will still come out on top. Klopp is a good coach but he is not better than Pep.

    • @logirex
      @logirex 15 днів тому +1

      Ranieri did what Klopp did at Liverpool and he did it with Leicester a far smaller club with a lot less money spent. One premier league title does not make you a premier league great manager or even close to it 😂

  • @hitswitchken
    @hitswitchken 15 днів тому

    Pep is only head and shoulders above with cheating, and having loads more money to spend. Pep would not accept a position where money was not free flowing. His trophies are tainted even if he is a good manager. City fans could care less about Pep just rrophies.

    • @grealish2234
      @grealish2234 15 днів тому

      Peps barca first year is greater than klopp career

  • @eyesopen66
    @eyesopen66 15 днів тому

    As a Mancunian Man City fan, has JK been great theatre for the EPL and the TV love's the fist pumping with the fans etc.... However just on ability he's not in the elite class. Always going on about what City might spend, as if LFC are pauper's? Just not true and Pep has beaten him 90% of the time.

  • @dexyplaysgames9130
    @dexyplaysgames9130 15 днів тому

    Lol just an over rated manager

  • @micksr8680
    @micksr8680 15 днів тому +1

    give Pep the award for best PL manager - then Man City get convicted of 115 charges and Pep gets stripped off the award ?

  • @doctors8966
    @doctors8966 15 днів тому +2

    No he's not one covid premier League 😂

    • @lfcmonkeyyyman6229
      @lfcmonkeyyyman6229 15 днів тому

      Feckin bellend.. how dare you call it a covid title.. 25 points clear, 9 games left to play when it stopped.. come on, even a Man City lawyer would do well to find a way out of how that would end up any other way... Obviously you're a Manc, probably Ushited.. Of course Klopp is a legend/great.. anyone that came up against 115 City would struggle, even Old Whiskey nose 👃..

  • @russellward4624
    @russellward4624 15 днів тому

    Klopp is a failure

  • @zentubeMusic1046
    @zentubeMusic1046 15 днів тому +1

    Nonsense above who ? He is not a top 5.. Above Ferguson, Pep, Mourinho