Amateur Vs Pro Architecture Photographer Shoot The "DOME HOUSE"

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    @FStoppers  4 роки тому +4

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  • @stdy_music
    @stdy_music 5 років тому +902

    The cinematographers (camera men) really won the contest. Some of these video compositions were flawless.

    • @sedmidivka
      @sedmidivka 5 років тому +7

      YES!

    • @Stuffedanimalery
      @Stuffedanimalery 5 років тому +7

      Exactly what I thought!

    • @sedmidivka
      @sedmidivka 5 років тому +31

      @@Stuffedanimalery It's funny we can make screen shots from the video and have better pictures that these two guys 😂

    • @davidbrown8388
      @davidbrown8388 5 років тому +13

      Cinematographers... so often overlooked..

    • @HappyLife-ik8gb
      @HappyLife-ik8gb 5 років тому +4

      STDY. Lol I was thinking the same thing

  • @niklasoh
    @niklasoh 6 років тому +2192

    Am I the only one who think replacing the view in the window, is to cross the line of what is ok for a shoot that is supposed to sell the house? If I were looking to buy a house and noticed that the ad images and reality dosn't match at all, I'd be pissed....

    • @nekoroms
      @nekoroms 5 років тому +108

      yes to me that's a rule one should not break. And also a house one is going to buy should look warm and welcoming in the pictures...not like "mordor"

    • @WeREntertainment317
      @WeREntertainment317 5 років тому +50

      i understand where u are coming from but at the same time..he did say that the tree is on the property and could be easily removed... so not so much as a fake presence more of the potential of the look

    • @niklasoh
      @niklasoh 5 років тому +52

      Looks more as if he removes a whole forest... :D

    • @WeREntertainment317
      @WeREntertainment317 5 років тому

      lol

    • @danielcurtin7616
      @danielcurtin7616 5 років тому +63

      You’re not the only one. It’s one thing to use perspective to hide undesirable attributes. It’s entirely different issue to edit the photo to give a house an appearance of having features/views it doesn’t currently have. It would be like adding in newer appliances in post if the existing ones were dated. Sure the new owner could replace appliances or cut down trees, but that’s not what’s there right now.

  • @CeeCeeKnight
    @CeeCeeKnight 5 років тому +623

    Don't actually know either of these guys.. But Mike's photos are 1000 times better due to realism, detail and honesty. Amazing photo's

    • @brendenmcelhinney8146
      @brendenmcelhinney8146 5 років тому +10

      Destined Rose your absolutely right, lees weren’t real, they didn’t depict what the house is actually right

    • @CeeCeeKnight
      @CeeCeeKnight 5 років тому +5

      @@brendenmcelhinney8146 Don't get me wrong, I love some Photoshop. However, I know what thought and time process is spent
      on composition, time of day, exposure etc. You can feel the passion in Mikes photos, sorry to sound corny.

    • @oh-totoro
      @oh-totoro 5 років тому +5

      It should be noted though, that the technique of replacing the views from the window, is something that Mike actually teaches in his architecture photography series, and where Lee got the idea from.

    • @jamoriah
      @jamoriah 5 років тому

      Agree

  • @nathanieldrew
    @nathanieldrew 5 років тому +91

    Mike wins this one hands down. His three shots work together way better than Lee's, however hard he tried. Great work from both of them though!

  • @sageta1
    @sageta1 6 років тому +525

    If i am the one buying the house, from a buyer's perspective, i preferred Mike's montage compared to Lee's. Its' more down to earth, more reflective of what the property looks like, more...Real in a sense.

    • @DrVinylBcn
      @DrVinylBcn 6 років тому +14

      More honest.

    • @Idokus
      @Idokus 6 років тому +2

      So as a seller the other?

    • @kapilbusawah7169
      @kapilbusawah7169 5 років тому +4

      Rekka well yeah but this wasn't a real estate photo, this was just straight up photography.
      They weren't selling you the house, they were selling you their photos and I think that's an important factor here. People have assumed the rules were who can take the better real estate photos but they're wrong

  • @shang-hsienyang1284
    @shang-hsienyang1284 6 років тому +2188

    I like Mike Kelley's images better. I really can't stand people photoshopping the view outside of the window completely with something not present at all. It's a window, not a LCD monitor!

    • @GiuseppePipia
      @GiuseppePipia 6 років тому +19

      Well, you now know that it's photoshopped. But if you didn't know there was a tree in a first place, you would have been fine with that trick.

    • @shang-hsienyang1284
      @shang-hsienyang1284 6 років тому +116

      I personally like the artistic aesthetic of Lee's work, but well, call me an amateur or a stubborn person, I do think that if any potential customer who sees the photoshopped image of this $5 million house and compared to what he/she has seen in person, it would make the customer believe that the seller/real estate agent is not honest. It's different from adding dramatic lighting or clouds because those come and go.
      A house with a direct view to the beach costs way more than those which don't (at least in my country).
      While I am totally okay with people photoshopping their travel photos, I frowned upon Lee's images the way I frown upon McDonald's hamburger photos because they don't resemble the actual product.

    • @nicolasbertin8552
      @nicolasbertin8552 6 років тому +44

      Damn right. Don't touch the view. You get what you get.

    • @johnbrockjr9464
      @johnbrockjr9464 6 років тому +58

      In California you can't legally add or remove items from a real estate photo, you can crop around something but can't change or add a view can't remove lightpoles, other houses, roads.

    • @GiuseppePipia
      @GiuseppePipia 6 років тому +7

      Again: that tree is in the property and if you want that view you can get it. It's not like he removed a nuclear plant. As for the McDonald's hamburger: actually they do use the same products, although it's not your average high-school depressed student making it, but a food designer. And again it's there to make you sell the product. It's not the photoshopper's fault to make something a bit un-realistic or too perfect. It's the observer that when sees something doesn't actually think about it in a rational way.

  • @PiginaCage
    @PiginaCage 6 років тому +591

    Mike's images look amazing and very professional. I think Lee did a lot of unnecessary editing and composition.

    • @jt8948
      @jt8948 5 років тому +1

      I absolutely agree with you!

    • @michaelthompson7217
      @michaelthompson7217 5 років тому +8

      Also this guy acted like a dick for the entire thing

    • @TheShipMunksTV
      @TheShipMunksTV 4 роки тому +1

      But Lee's pics looked like something mike would take? lol

  • @DingbatToast
    @DingbatToast 5 років тому +47

    I don't really care who's is better. I do love the video, the banter, the discussions, humor and listening to the reasoning behind the choices. Please do more like this.

    • @LolindirElros
      @LolindirElros 5 років тому +1

      Hey, just in case you're not subscribed, they uploaded a new one today!

  • @TheThirdIdentity
    @TheThirdIdentity 6 років тому +367

    Mikes shots were so much better it was shocking. His composition. The lines and the flow he captured in the interior and balcony photos were spot on. I think that mike took photos that creatives appreciate and Lee took photos that the untrained eye enjoyed. It doesn’t make Lees photos bad, if anything it says more about the people voting

    • @Its3am
      @Its3am 6 років тому +4

      You said it perfectly

    • @KarenJewels
      @KarenJewels 5 років тому +4

      Totally agree. I think Lees photoshop looked too fake. The color corrections didn't even match in the window shot.. not trying to sound snobby but I don't think the voters were sophisticated enough to really know the difference.

    • @yevgenydevine
      @yevgenydevine 5 років тому +1

      You guys made me laugh so hard. Typical pseudo-elitist snobs.
      Mike's got one good shot - shot 1. It portrays the real estate in a good way and delivers it to the viewer. But this is it.
      Shot 2 tries to capture everything, but fails to deliver a single thing properly.
      What does the shot 3 try to capture? The birds? The house? Or the beach? What of these does it capture better?
      Lee's shots, on the other hand, capture the real estate.
      Shot 4 captures the comfort of the interior, even though Lee lacks attention to the location of the furniture and hasn't done any detail-oriented composition work.
      Photoshopping the outside view was a mistake, too.
      Shot 5 perfectly delivers the exterior. I think the colour correction was too artificial, but the shot itself is great.
      Shot 6 is literally the perfect shot which didn't get any less realistic after editing, besides removing the structure on the left.
      The client is looking for real estate. They don't care about "the lines" and "the flow".
      They care about what the photos tell about the property. How comfortable it is. What the vibe is.
      Not birds and not colour matching.

    • @KarenJewels
      @KarenJewels 5 років тому +3

      @@yevgenydevine you sound like an elitist snob too Haha welcome!

    • @yevgenydevine
      @yevgenydevine 5 років тому

      @Karen Jewels I don't quite get what's snobbish-elitist about photography serving its purpose.

  • @nilssab
    @nilssab 6 років тому +104

    replacing the contents of a window.. I'm sorry, but was this a photography contest or a concept art contest?.. Forgiving that, all the photos are great! But if you're trying to get a house sold, 4,5,6 made the house look cramped and small, while 1,2,3 showed off what 5million gets you better. So my opinion is that Mike won.

  • @JustinHendrix0
    @JustinHendrix0 5 років тому +81

    100% prefer Mikes set.

  • @darius2640
    @darius2640 6 років тому +254

    So high end photography just comes down to "screw it I'll fix it in post"

    • @jjss488
      @jjss488 5 років тому +1

      Not really. It gets really complex actually.

    • @Lilly-Lilac
      @Lilly-Lilac 4 роки тому

      Israel Hoffman NOOOOO! really?

    • @uninvestigated
      @uninvestigated 4 роки тому +4

      Reminds me of astrophotography.

    • @xayanax
      @xayanax 4 роки тому +7

      ferreal tho! what happened to the acknowledgement of natural artistry. the simplicity of technology has destroyed the true beauty of 'capturing reality'.

    • @w33blord66
      @w33blord66 4 роки тому +1

      Yes.

  • @RickyRyanRay
    @RickyRyanRay 6 років тому +449

    Both of y’all are so passive aggressive. I love it.

    • @ToneysReviews
      @ToneysReviews 5 років тому +1

      Ricky Ryan Ray Spoken like a true weak but strong Canadian

  • @djtoman6875
    @djtoman6875 6 років тому +890

    Very cool that Fred and Wilma made their home available to Fstoppers before it went on the market.

    • @flowremix
      @flowremix 6 років тому +25

      i laughed more than the appropriate amount at that comment.

    • @rafaelbruno9465
      @rafaelbruno9465 6 років тому +8

      Great couple, met them once at the local farmers market. They're just so busy, Mr Fred spends more time in Maryland at the mutual fund and Wilma is doing great charity work in Malaysia. Very private people.

    • @Siftedheart
      @Siftedheart 6 років тому +1

      flowremix 🤣So did I 🤣

    • @ArvindJuneja
      @ArvindJuneja 6 років тому +1

      flowremix 🤣

  • @marie-levitt
    @marie-levitt 5 років тому +667

    The dude in the hats ego is so hard to pass

    • @darrellbeets7758
      @darrellbeets7758 5 років тому +34

      haha i know i was getting triggered so much, especcially when he was saying the living room shot had to much going on X D, i was like m8 u dont know jack shit do u?

    • @diamondsprince
      @diamondsprince 5 років тому +7

      Issa joke

    • @TheJwwinter
      @TheJwwinter 5 років тому +1

      That's just being a professional photographer.

    • @rhodoliteproductions8344
      @rhodoliteproductions8344 4 роки тому

      Marie-Levitt you love it

    • @TheShipMunksTV
      @TheShipMunksTV 4 роки тому

      Lee is such a character. Thats His joke persona with His Friends. Its funny

  • @waawaaweewaa2045
    @waawaaweewaa2045 5 років тому +169

    Feel like Lee broke a couple of photography "rules" and tried to compensate by photoshopping the crap out of all of his work. Mikes attention to framing and use of lines helped him execute stronger work. Lee's photos felt disjointed and individually lacked strong subject matter. Photo #5 is probably his strongest image, but I find the bottom left part of the balcony to be distracting, maybe a crop would have remedied it. I don't dislike #4, but this shot would need another interior shot (like Mikes #2) to create artistic cohesion.

    • @xayanax
      @xayanax 4 роки тому

      the amateur should've switched his horizontal photos so that the ground would be below the sky.

  • @tomgosy
    @tomgosy 6 років тому +59

    I for one prefer Mike's. I like that more natural and simplistic composition, it shows experience and an eye for the real life moments.

  • @hadegbite
    @hadegbite 6 років тому +32

    No gas. This one of my favorite UA-cam vids I’ve ever seen. Love the trash talk and competition. I love the confidence of both shooters.

  • @dimasreidz48
    @dimasreidz48 5 років тому +101

    This is my first time watching these guys. But I already know why people hates the the bald guy.

  • @vuonghalyn
    @vuonghalyn 5 років тому +14

    Mike is so sweet. I love how he keeps laughing the whole time. And I do like the story he carried in the images and the honesty they have better.

  • @joshdunnmusic4374
    @joshdunnmusic4374 6 років тому +232

    Mike's photography was very consistent. His montage blended from one photo to the next. Lee's montage was disjointed and overly complicated, but that's not what good photography is about. I mean they're good, just not as smooth as Mike's. Mike's photos are very natural and easy to look at.

    • @jamoriah
      @jamoriah 5 років тому

      Totally agree

  • @phyrr2
    @phyrr2 6 років тому +287

    Mike's are more representative of what's in a magazine.
    Lee's are better for social media and "the masses".
    In the end it's about which set would better sell the house, nothing else - people need to remember that.
    Doesn't matter what non-buyer's would think, period.
    Mike know's his audience - the buyer. Lee knows his - the viewers on UA-cam right now.
    And who cast the votes? It's no wonder Lee takes the win.
    Another thing Mike knows is the worth of his time. Being a pro photographer means it's your duty to get the shots done as proper as possible IN camera, not via post-processing.
    If you have to spend 2-3x more time doing post, you will lose as a business person. Unless you're a part-timer not dependent on the income or at the top where your name is your brand enough to get you top tier clients due to fame, you're running a business to feed yourself and your family. TIME is a serious factor. Time IS money, literally.
    I appreciate both photographer's, but Lee can drink a glass of humility :)

    • @timetravel2390
      @timetravel2390 5 років тому +5

      finally a decent comment. I can stop scrolling trought that shit, you've restored my faith.

    • @five50productions26
      @five50productions26 5 років тому +1

      Jason McGovern well said

    • @jimbopaw
      @jimbopaw 5 років тому

      Lee can help with the selling of the house by producing viral photos that will be shared on social media. But will it convert into sales? Maybe.

  • @mik5xa
    @mik5xa 5 років тому +194

    Title says it all: Cocky amateur vs pro...

    • @jarnosaarinen7249
      @jarnosaarinen7249 3 роки тому +3

      Which is which?

    • @megansalt
      @megansalt 3 роки тому +2

      I think that's the drama that they try to add to the show

  • @THEKITPLUG
    @THEKITPLUG 5 років тому +23

    The color temps of the montage are all over the place.

    • @lisellemodeste4378
      @lisellemodeste4378 5 років тому

      right?! from a graphic design standpoint, Mike's photos would have been received differently if his balcony shot was on the bottom, and less saturated, in my opinion.

  • @asdf256
    @asdf256 6 років тому +170

    I love this video, you should make a Pro vs Amateur series!

    • @tjmperez
      @tjmperez 6 років тому +6

      YES!!!!!!!!!!

    • @MorganNowland
      @MorganNowland 6 років тому +4

      Yes please!!

    • @khoatro
      @khoatro 6 років тому +3

      and make sure the Pro isn't phoning it in and call it being artistic

    • @SLanng
      @SLanng 6 років тому +2

      This could without a doubt be a series. With different photographers, with a new cool location, each time

    • @haiderabbas96
      @haiderabbas96 6 років тому +2

      I would loooooovvvvvvvveeeeeeeeee to see Patrick in that.

  • @edtoptop
    @edtoptop 6 років тому +295

    Mike's stuff was clearly better. It's hilarious that Lee thinks he was better at this, I feel like no magazine would feature the work that Lee did. Seriously seemed like there was no competition when it came to color, composition, and story. Lee was playing the "I'm gonna edit the shit outta this" game. There's just a much more nuanced quality to Lee's work. Can't exactly explain it, it's a lot of small details and good timing. Also the aspect ratios that Lee Morris uses are clearly closer to film. For photography I would definitely use more creative crops.

    • @Sukuraidogai
      @Sukuraidogai 5 років тому +11

      You would be saying the exact opposite if Mike actually shot 4-6.

    • @edtoptop
      @edtoptop 5 років тому +11

      Not sure if I completely understand what you mean, but I didn't even know who Mike was before watching this video, so I'm pretty sure I'm not a fanboy or something. I just see the difference between their expertise and see how Lee's previous film experience clouds his judgement. Lee doesn't have the eye for design in stills, yet.

    • @AnemosFPV
      @AnemosFPV 5 років тому +7

      edtoptop I couldn't agree more. The level between them is enormous. Mikes images are on a whole another level and I don't even know who Mike is, his images looks professional while the other ones looked photoshopped. There is a big gap between your skills level

    • @drewcunningham8380
      @drewcunningham8380 5 років тому +5

      you obviously have not met many magazine editors or worked for many - Lees full exterior would be chosen over Mikes by 9 out of 10 editors exactly because it is over the top and heavily produced and doesn't just look like a snap someone took walking down the beach - the only shot of Mike's that was really well done was the balcony shot - the other two were total trash , very amateurish............I just don't think he gave a shit about the whole deal to tell you the truth - he had a "what the fuck attitude" the whole time - didn't even bother to photoshop the telephone posts and wires - as he said - "I wasn't getting paid" about sums up his all-star self inflated opinion of his own work -

    • @edtoptop
      @edtoptop 5 років тому +1

      Interesting way to look at it. I'm sure plenty of people would love Mike's work on stills, but I don't think anyone that takes stills for a living is going to solve all their problems using the clone tool, simply because it's not good practice in the field.

  • @victorvera5864
    @victorvera5864 5 років тому +83

    The guy in the hat comes off pompous and fake. Not a fan of his

  • @dramamine755
    @dramamine755 6 років тому +871

    Mike's got my vote. Lee's photos went too far but of course in the age of instagram that's all people care about.

    • @jaysamuelwright
      @jaysamuelwright 6 років тому +6

      alex Agreed.

    • @mrmachine5632
      @mrmachine5632 6 років тому +3

      lee added something worth looking at.

    • @FreakAzoiyd
      @FreakAzoiyd 6 років тому +6

      1 is the overall best shoot for me
      2 only works as a stand alone picture I think
      3 is definitely a lot to heavy on the vignette (for me)
      4 is the overall 2nd best shoot
      5 is actually really nice I think, just the greens are to saturated and overall with to much contrast for me
      6 is also to contrasty, which is funny since Lee often critiques the extreme 'hdrness' of other shoots, which this one does as well
      overall I can't really choose a winner

    • @FreakAzoiyd
      @FreakAzoiyd 6 років тому +11

      I think one of the main reasons why popular Instagram shoots are the way they are is that they are viewed on small displays, where a high contrast, saturation and clarity works better. But like me watching this on a huge computer screen a lower contrast and clarity is better most of the time.
      In other words:
      - viewing size is big ... keep it easy on those sliders
      - viewing size is small ... crank it up a notch

    • @jhellier
      @jhellier 6 років тому +11

      on the web i see photos processed more along the lines of 4,5,6. Its the style that appeals to the majority of photographers. I much prefer 1,2,3 in terms of composition and (natural) looking lighting. Its exactly the style of shots I would like to achieve.

  • @shanicewatson6812
    @shanicewatson6812 6 років тому +151

    Shots 1-3 have way better composition and look more natural, surprised people picked 4-6

    • @KristianMischke
      @KristianMischke 6 років тому +8

      Luke Johnson yeah, I like 1-3 in their individuality better, but I think the 4-6 montage is more cohesive. Also 1-3 seem so natural, where 4-6 seem dramatic.

    • @MarkIrwin02
      @MarkIrwin02 5 років тому +2

      1-3 would have sold me on the house. Were the last 3 felt edited to try hard to sell the house.

  • @harishXO
    @harishXO 6 років тому +89

    Mike’s shots are way better than Lee’s shot. Mike’s shots looks so real and that’s what photography is all about , trying to show things in its reality and yes lilbit of editing is okay. But on the other hand Lee’s shots are too much over photoshopped. And it took the images far away from its reality , plus he is faking by removing trees and adding artificial things to enhance its beauty. Every pro photographers will not agree with Lee’s shots . My vote is for mike. His photography has maturity and reality. Bravo!

    • @TheLeyrock
      @TheLeyrock 5 років тому +1

      let's just build a house just using ur hands.. no hammers or any tools that can make your work or house better and easier.

    • @oh-totoro
      @oh-totoro 5 років тому

      Yeah, but Lee replacing the view from the window, is something that Mike teaches in his own tutorial series.

    • @izzyquizzy9129
      @izzyquizzy9129 4 роки тому +1

      Your idea of what photography is all about seems really restrictive. Photography doesn't have to show reality. Just in this case, more realistic photographs would probably serve the purpose of making the house look appealing better.

  • @margaretwilson8736
    @margaretwilson8736 5 років тому +23

    The natural shot of the sky was gorgeous. That alone sold the house to me.

  • @JuanaRuiz
    @JuanaRuiz 6 років тому +41

    Mike's got my vote ALL the way!!!! I love the interior picture, I think it shows the house perfectly, it gets the mood of the house, of the place. I love that pic.

  • @JimmyConover
    @JimmyConover 6 років тому +103

    This is pretty awesome. I liked the convo and I've laughed at your interaction multiple times through the video. Great fun!

  • @jayduby5330
    @jayduby5330 6 років тому +6

    In this age of vignette and saturation abuse I'm starting to love the natural look of photos like Mike's.

  • @epectase6314
    @epectase6314 Рік тому

    having a blast watching you guys, can't wait to try one of the tutorial !

  • @justanothernoobe
    @justanothernoobe 6 років тому +55

    I actually truly love the wide internal shot - the detail and the clarity is awesome and I kinda feel that there's just so much about the architecture of this house that it needed a wide-shot like this. And while I love the effects that can be achieved in post, I also have to take my hat off to those with the ability to capture the shot with what is available then and there at the time and give a more honest shot. But let's be honest, to pick a winner and a 'loser' … pffft - we're splitting hairs here ... like having to chose between Scarlett Johansson and Salma Hayek! You guys must have had buckets of fun doing this and thanks for sharing - really entertaining to watch and HEAPS of tips for a noob like me to learn from. :)

    • @Artcore103
      @Artcore103 6 років тому +2

      are you serious? scarlett johansson doesn't hold a CANDLE to salma hayek, pfft! she only looks good in some movies and pictures because of all the work and money that goes into trying very hard to make her look good. if you just evaluate her naturally, her body, her face, (and you can see a lot of those things if you look...) she's totally meh. Salma Hayek on the other hand is straight up gorgeous... or at least used to be, she might be getting kinda old idk, but the point still stands... it doesn't take work to make Salma look gorgeous, and her body needs zero help either. You're comparing an awkward high school drama nerd playing the part of a pretty girl, vs a voluptuous supermodel.

    • @justanothernoobe
      @justanothernoobe 6 років тому +2

      Exactly my point, sir … while the finished results are still both spectacular, one is completely natural and needs no additional work :)

    • @Artcore103
      @Artcore103 6 років тому

      @@justanothernoobe oh, nice!

  • @tankerbruja
    @tankerbruja 6 років тому +67

    Mike's photos I'm sold on. The other ones. I gotta see the house in person first.

  • @sav-
    @sav- 3 роки тому

    This is the first video I’ve watched from this channel. Love it! Lol I like you guys!

  • @toddmichael3656
    @toddmichael3656 5 років тому

    Enjoy the challenge videos you guys have put together, but this has been my fav thus far.

  • @whoopsydaisy6389
    @whoopsydaisy6389 6 років тому +56

    Mike's photos are warm and relaxing. I could easily imagine myself comfortably living in and enjoying that space.
    Lee's felt like a space I'd film in then leave at the end of the day for the comfort of my home.

    • @jimbopaw
      @jimbopaw 5 років тому

      Exactly, the composition and framing convey a particular mood that is representative of the house and the environment.

  • @Sasasala386
    @Sasasala386 6 років тому +122

    Lee's pictures dont really communicate with themselves, looks like fake renders or instagram filters...

  • @4-0-K
    @4-0-K 5 років тому +1

    Mike got it for me, but number 4 picture is amazing, I love that vertical shot. You earned yourself a very well deserved new sub!

  • @ajjones3091
    @ajjones3091 5 років тому

    I think it’s great to see two photographers compete to see who tells the story of the property better. Seriously plz do more of these. Where art meet architecture is on my buy list.

  • @MrGarthGamble
    @MrGarthGamble 6 років тому +11

    Mike, you're pictures took this competition down easily. The first set looked clean, well composed, and the flow was much more congruent. Well done.
    Lee you're still the man!

  • @FFehse-dk9is
    @FFehse-dk9is 6 років тому +21

    I dont get the ratings. Mikes images are natural and intricate while the other set was blunt and heavy. Like comparing classical music to modern pop - but then again, which of the two music styles is more popular?
    I think popularity and quality dont really correlate...

    • @nathanael2814
      @nathanael2814 5 років тому

      Best comment I've seen on this video

  • @mediakingofficial
    @mediakingofficial 5 років тому +1

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. You guys are so authentic and natural. As for who was better, I think I appreciated both styles of photography and editing, it has its own place in the market.

  • @tylarcampbell4350
    @tylarcampbell4350 5 років тому

    Great Video! Mike don’t be so hard on yourself. Excited for the next competition.

  • @smaranalva
    @smaranalva 6 років тому +147

    Damn good stuff. I'm an architect and these images did Justice to the design

    • @alanmedellin5370
      @alanmedellin5370 6 років тому +1

      Weird question but, is architecture a good career choice? I am currently deciding between that or some engineering pathway? In quick summary, why or why don't you like?

    • @smaranalva
      @smaranalva 6 років тому +1

      Hi, I'm fresh out of architecture, so career wise I won't be able to give any advice. But as a field, I LOVE IT. The 4 years of study ( India ) completely changed the way i see the world, life itself. You learn strong sense of design, creative thinking, concept development. and - It's super fun. I would definitely suggest you to join architecture, but do not join it because you find engineering harder, trust me - architecture is no less.

    • @alanmedellin5370
      @alanmedellin5370 6 років тому +1

      SMAL Thanks for replying! Is there one book that you recommend that could shed more light into what that career field entails.

    • @smaranalva
      @smaranalva 6 років тому +3

      By career if you mean a job with a salary, YES architecture has a lot of scope in terms of money making. The field is pretty wide from stage/set designs in films/ video games, to building the largest stadiums, architecture is everywhere today. I can't think of any books on the career aspect of it or what you're looking for, but i'll suggest some really good books on architecture when you're starting out - Archidoodle: The Architect's Activity Book, A Global History of Architecture, ( D.K ching's every book) - start out with these to get an insight on architecture

    • @alanmedellin5370
      @alanmedellin5370 6 років тому

      SMAL I for one don’t care about the money. I just want a job I really enjoy doing. Thanks for the book recommendations, sir, or ma’am.

  • @1young-geezer
    @1young-geezer 6 років тому +10

    That was hilarious, and totally fun to watch. I will say that Mike's real shots were the best, even the interior, as busy as it was it appeared not only more balanced but really did show that the whole interior was a space ship, not just one clever angle shot of the interior ala fireplace. LOVED the outdoor shot w/ the pelicans. Mike's shots were less "contained" looking, more spacious, carrying your eye out, while Lee's kept you focused w/in the box. Thoroughly enjoyed this episode, both of you guys were funny, gracious, and honest.

    • @mikekelley
      @mikekelley 6 років тому +2

      Thanks Todd - really appreciate the kind words and great comment.

  • @zeropoint4151
    @zeropoint4151 5 років тому

    I think what we often forget is how good Mike's tutorial is. Nice work to both guys.

  • @AlexandruPreoteasa
    @AlexandruPreoteasa 5 років тому +13

    4-6 have huge compositional flaws. Especially 5 and 6. 5 is ultra right-heavy. 6 - house if off center, which normally isn't a problem, IF there would be anything there to balance it out. At the moment there is no reason to have if offset like that. It also looks way too HDR and feels rather futuristic. It's really obvious for me which are the ones shot by the professional photographer. I find them more classy. Also, they're more about the place and less about "my kitchy photoshop skills". But knowing most people are clueless about good composition yet thoroughly impressed by big contrasts and saturation, I can very well see how 4-6 won.

    • @PaulHofreiter
      @PaulHofreiter 5 років тому +1

      Alexandru Preoteasa yup. The composition and overprocessing are dead giveaways who is better. And the overprocessing often goes hand in hand with bad composition since they will not think as hard about their shot, thinking consciously or unconsciously “I can fix this in photoshop”. It’s sad how the results turned out but not surprising since most people see overprocessing and think “they must be a pro”. It is like preferring candy to a great meal - instant gratification and little substance.

    • @The_YouTube_Critic
      @The_YouTube_Critic 5 років тому +1

      Totally disagree. Composition wise, Lee's #6 is better. The house is balanced out by the elevated trees on the left, it slopes down drawing the eye to the house. #3 is in the exact same part of the frame and look more like a snapshot.

  • @PhotoMe99
    @PhotoMe99 6 років тому +22

    Well, for me it's easy to vote for Mike.
    Mike's images are telling much more. even tho all of ur work guys are just great.

  • @ghostbaum
    @ghostbaum 6 років тому +133

    Mike's images were way better.

  • @mannyseguin9082
    @mannyseguin9082 3 роки тому

    You guys rock, I just got a big "say yes now, learn how to later" deal so I'm binge watching all of your content haha

  • @icegirl1755
    @icegirl1755 5 років тому

    i'm excited to watch this! I learn so much from these types of videos!!

  • @52253825
    @52253825 6 років тому +54

    Mike's shots rule. Also, he is hilarious. Long live Mike.

  • @mk0x55
    @mk0x55 6 років тому +87

    I still like Mike's set more and because it conveys the ambience and mood of the place more pleasantly to me. My main methodical objection to the voting and comparison is that it lacks scientific rigor in terms of selecting a neutral population. The Fstoppers community, may it be the best photographic community there is, are for years massaged and used to the style and taste of Lee, Patrick and the Fstoppers community itself. Not so with Mike. No wonder this population votes for what they keep seing as the best examples and are trained to praise - that's just psychology that sort of always works. As to the complexity-simplicity argument about the interior shot, I think Mike's more complex picture works simply better, because it is the pleasant whole that the many small and ordered parts gestalt that matters - it is the mood of the image and the emotion it awakes at the unbiased viewer.
    Thanks for the great work; this was a piece of high-quality and inspiring content from you both!

    • @rossawilson01
      @rossawilson01 6 років тому +5

      I agree, I think when you have a lot of "still learning'" photogs voting you'll get votes for high contrast stuff like Lee's. Take anyone of those people before they get into photography and they'd have voted Mike's I reckon. Something happens when you start photography, you overthink everything and it takes a lot of experience to see past that. To me Mike's are so much better, I've no doubt to a non photographer or a pro photographer they'd be preferred.

    • @williamcasey5542
      @williamcasey5542 6 років тому

      mk0x55 hybgnbbb.
      signed Liam

  • @Truesilverful
    @Truesilverful 5 років тому

    These two guys are so enjoyable to watch.

  • @deetailing
    @deetailing 6 років тому

    Do another please! Awesome episode. Both sets of pics were awesome. Depends the kind of mood you're going for.

  • @MuhammadNurbasit
    @MuhammadNurbasit 6 років тому +234

    the amateur is not really amateur,

    • @FriedToast
      @FriedToast 6 років тому +50

      "Amateur" in that he's not a paid architecture photog. It doesn't mean that he's a compete n00b at photography (altho' I did assume the same thing at the beginning, too).

    • @michaels3003
      @michaels3003 6 років тому +7

      "Amateur" was originally a positive term (please look it up if you are not aware already). Unfortunately, it has been corrupted to indicate somebody or something inferior.

    • @timetravel2390
      @timetravel2390 5 років тому

      A lot of amateur people could be pros with their hobbies.

    • @miket1638
      @miket1638 5 років тому

      Seriously, amateur vs pro should be "guy shooting with iPhone vs guy with all the equipment "

  • @pasists
    @pasists 6 років тому +5

    This years best /most entertaining fstoppers video! I agree to Lee :D. Keep them comming!

  • @CarolCrunch
    @CarolCrunch 5 років тому +78

    I LOVE THAT NOW THAT THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN SHOWN EVERYONE IS SAYING MIKE WAS BETTER 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @buthaynahXD
      @buthaynahXD 5 років тому +10

      i'm seeing this for the first time, just like everyone else i'm sure, and mike's photos are better

    • @LolindirElros
      @LolindirElros 5 років тому +4

      @@buthaynahXD and that's what you call *bias*
      They were smart setting up 2 polls: the fact that almost the exact amount of people, without having the luxury of watching a 15 min video of who took which pictures, thought Mike's was the latter set and that that set won, goes to show that the comment section of this channel just naturally flows against Lee. It can even be an unconscious thing, but it is definitely a thing.

    • @buthaynahXD
      @buthaynahXD 5 років тому +2

      ​@@LolindirElros This was my first video of them. i just chose the better photos.

    • @dannyfar7989
      @dannyfar7989 4 роки тому

      Me to, I'd even like your comment if you found out about capslock.
      You are aware that those capital letters are the written equivalent of shouting right?

  • @bl4841
    @bl4841 2 роки тому

    this is such a fascinating style of photography. Just all the exposure composites is so rad

  • @GiuseppePipia
    @GiuseppePipia 6 років тому +16

    I honestly was amongst the ones that believed that the second set was Kelley's. I think here the take away is that what also Lee says at the end: do something that sells, no matter how over the top it might be, as long as you make it believable and clean. On the other hand there is to consider another point of view: shooting for magazines and with that picture sell a product, or shoot for your own personal pleasure and art feel. Finally: never trust images that are too good to be true! ;)

    • @oceandrew
      @oceandrew 6 років тому

      Depends what magazine you're trying to sell for. People magazine? Teen? Lee's photos do well for that market but Architectural Digest? Not so much. There is a huge difference in what sells for the palate that can afford $5mil vs the one that would struggle to afford $250K. For that crowd you don't need drama or glitzy gimmickry ... just show it as it is, without pretenses.

  • @BangPhotography
    @BangPhotography 6 років тому +160

    i like what the 'amateur' did with bringing out the shadows. i feel like the 'pro' wouldve done better boosting the highlights in the interior image and for the exterior, too much saturation for my taste. LOVE THE SERIES THOUGH!

    • @BangPhotography
      @BangPhotography 6 років тому +7

      no hate, its all just personal taste

    • @officialv8567
      @officialv8567 6 років тому +4

      He did say personal taste. Personally I do like the less is more approach with 1, 2, 3.

    • @arpitjain4025
      @arpitjain4025 6 років тому

      Bang well i first time visiting this channel and i must say i really like the hard work ans passion of these guys for shoot as well as making this video. keep it up....
      My Opinion:
      1 ok (chair arrangement is too clumsy and no detailing(like chair arrangement and detailing of 5th shot) , lower right is too dark)
      2 ok but a more broder view including sofa, might be little more back from where he clicked or wider lens could be more interesting. lighting is good and natural.
      3 very boring, mediocore seems like very casually clicked and processed. No composition, no lighting, lots of clutter of bush.
      4 very good shot. like the lighting, composition, attention to details.
      5 good shot but over saturated specially greens. chair arrangement and lighting is good also liked the attention to details.
      6 good shot but too much contrast and bit dark outside. same shot should be better if he clicked some 20mins before he could get some light outside. liked how house is standing apart.Inside lighting and clouds
      giving the mood to image.
      Over all Lee's Hard work is clearly visible in his images. just little bit over done. Mikes shots looking like he did shoot in hurry he didnt paid attention to details also he didnt took his time to make the shots.

  • @PeterStawicki
    @PeterStawicki 5 років тому +1

    Damn!! Shot 6 blew me away. Both montages were amazing but really I'm voting for #2.

  • @ThatIndianBlader
    @ThatIndianBlader 5 років тому

    Hello, i wanted to get an intervalometer for my Canon 200D. Can you recommend one ? I tried searching the net.. but couldn't find anything :(

  • @kabayansangpresiden
    @kabayansangpresiden 6 років тому +31

    I love the wide shot of the fire place Mike did though, the picture showed the ambience of the house so i can get a clear view of what's inside the house feels like.

  • @PPISAFETY
    @PPISAFETY 6 років тому +38

    My hat is off to both of you for making some very nice images. Having said that, I prefer the ones taken by the professional photographer, and I'll tell you why. From the perspective of a client who comes to see the house with an eye to buying it, I'd feel that the photos shot by the amateur were not genuine, but artfully contrived "fakes" from Photoshop. While the exterior shot is clearly an attention grabber, to me it looks nothing like the real thing, and clearly substituting that beach view out the window is trickery although it does look great. If I were there with the agent viewing the house, I'd ask myself how anyone had time to grow the tree I was looking out the window at, and say to myself, "if these people are being dishonest about the view, what else are they not being truthful about?" I'd feel the same if I chose a hotel for my vacation based on a photo of a lovely view out my window, only to arrive to find what was actually there was a brick wall someone had Photoshopped out of the picture.
    Make no mistake, both photographers made excellent pictures that are a joy to look at. But I think the ones by the pro were more "accurate". This is not speaking as a photographer (I'm in awe of both of your skills), just as someone who maybe got on a plane to come look at the house to buy it. Just my two cents worth.

  • @glebermoura5865
    @glebermoura5865 4 роки тому

    Forget about the pictures. Drinking the tears of the mug was the best thing out of this video lmao.

  • @pitmanfilms3007
    @pitmanfilms3007 5 років тому

    Loving these types of videos. I learn so much, better than a tutorial! THANKS

  • @PizzlesTechTime
    @PizzlesTechTime 6 років тому +328

    This is one of the best UA-cam videos I've ever watched!

    • @ibraimovmiras
      @ibraimovmiras 6 років тому

      Pizzles Tech Time agree. Very intriguing throughout

    • @angelussinna2248
      @angelussinna2248 6 років тому +1

      Yes they need to do more challenges like this.

    • @robpet198
      @robpet198 6 років тому

      Depends from person to person

    • @jaizo
      @jaizo 5 років тому

      you’ve never seen Charlie bit me ?

  • @thedarkwolef
    @thedarkwolef 6 років тому +3

    Wonderful video, loved the format and the humor!

  • @kee7678
    @kee7678 4 роки тому +1

    Great stuff guys...easy to learn from you both which is the biggest compliment I can give you.

  • @napertiwi
    @napertiwi 5 років тому +3

    It was so fun watching this! 😂

  • @joshuatousey8103
    @joshuatousey8103 6 років тому +31

    This episode was so funny. I love the banter and the reveal.

  • @arloc_official
    @arloc_official 6 років тому +3

    i would love to see more competitions like this! it was so much fun to watch

  • @wormemc
    @wormemc 3 роки тому

    Such a fun video. Great chemistry with these two. Easy to watch all the way through.

  • @theodoremattfeld9034
    @theodoremattfeld9034 4 роки тому

    Fantastic video. Two guys with a great sense of humor, and also great photographers/photoshoppers

  • @Scarebus_Driver
    @Scarebus_Driver 6 років тому +15

    Really good video thanks. From a professional photographer viewpoint i cant support the replacement of the views with replacements nothing like the original. Culling trees etc from the interior with stuff that simply isnt there is not really legit. For real estate photography artificially removing things that are present are misleading.
    If i was buying that house and turned up for an inspection and that tree was there that had been removed in the image id be pretty upset.
    Great photos and editing all around but if your removing things that are present its pretty dodgy from a professional viewpoint.

  • @joacorodriguez3420
    @joacorodriguez3420 6 років тому +16

    Beach house vs woods house.
    First set tells the story better.

  • @brucesearl4407
    @brucesearl4407 5 років тому

    Congrats Lee! Best 2 of three shots! If you could take Mikes balcony shot (1 and swap it with your balcony shot (5) then you would have the killer set of 4. 1 & 6! But you were both winners here. Great video, super fun and entertaining and good learning tips. Beautiful shots from you both! Thanks!

  • @3aBap4uK
    @3aBap4uK 5 років тому

    Awesome video, guys! Thanks for making it!

  • @huskii6376
    @huskii6376 6 років тому +130

    And then in the comment section everyone supports Mike and says that Lee photoshopped too much. Of course. That's how the internet is.

    • @DopamineMVWM
      @DopamineMVWM 5 років тому +15

      I know right, the exact same people who are now saying Mike's pictures are better, are the exact sort of people who would have said Lee's were better thinking they were Mike's

    • @PrincessAshly
      @PrincessAshly 5 років тому +7

      I highly suspected that in their poll, the reason why Lee won wasn't because people thought his actual shots were better, but because they thought they were Mike's. By thinking they were Mike's, they'd write off the other photos without completely examining them.

    • @AliSaad05
      @AliSaad05 4 роки тому +3

      "Halo" effect at work

    • @evshrug
      @evshrug 4 роки тому +1

      I wonder what I would have voted if I saw the other video. But, watching this one, I thought the first three were composed with more intent and confidence, while the last three I understood what he was trying to build up with multiple exposures, but overall it felt like someone had a big bag of tricks and was trying for a lot of BANG! and drama which seems forced for a relaxed beach house. Plus, I don't know if it's the architecture or the composition (looking at the window frames it seems square with the sides of the photo), but shot 4 (the first one we saw taken) keeps making me think it's crooked, which bugs me way more than the amount of furniture in the other interior shot.

  • @badw01f23
    @badw01f23 6 років тому +16

    I like the pro's pics the best. They just look better together. I also like the pro's inside pic is better becuause you get a better feel of what the inside of the house looks like.

    • @BuzilYT
      @BuzilYT 5 років тому +1

      You mean 4-6? :D

  • @ludovicbacquet5978
    @ludovicbacquet5978 6 років тому

    That was a pretty funny video actually - hope you are both laughing as hard as I was - fantastic humour!

  • @rafayeali2288
    @rafayeali2288 5 років тому +1

    i never comment but i loved this, out of anything i saw on youtube this was amazing

  • @x.Rival.x
    @x.Rival.x 6 років тому +14

    Mike. Hands down.

  • @Gjarllarhorn1
    @Gjarllarhorn1 6 років тому +4

    This is probably one of the funniest fstoppers videos ever.

  • @TheBusshelter
    @TheBusshelter 5 років тому

    This was awesome, thanks guys

  • @jenniferrossehamm8891
    @jenniferrossehamm8891 2 роки тому

    Yeah, Mike's photos are way better. Really liked this video. Thank you!

  • @kian8382
    @kian8382 6 років тому +24

    who would've guessed, well done Lee.

  • @maplecountrymedia2026
    @maplecountrymedia2026 6 років тому +9

    I selected the right images of Mike Good and simple no flashy stuff. But too many people voted for the flashy images...

  • @bojidardimitrov7220
    @bojidardimitrov7220 5 років тому

    I did not get how you are doing the flash thing with the bushes. Are you leaving the camera on long exposure? Are you taking several shots? Could you please explain

  • @morecarstuff
    @morecarstuff 6 років тому

    Learned a bunch here. Dope video. Im not a photographer or any ographer but love this video's insightfulness

  • @SamiMustonen
    @SamiMustonen 6 років тому +33

    Very cool content, would love to see more like this

  • @badgerag
    @badgerag 6 років тому +21

    Mike Kelley all the way.

  • @HeshamElshipli
    @HeshamElshipli 3 роки тому

    I really enjoyed this episode, thank you :)

  • @xindrum1
    @xindrum1 5 років тому

    26min in... I love this concept! And at the end i would pick Mike's photos for my house, but the wide outside shot from Lee is my favorite.