Removing devils from Chainsaw Man would make them lose a fight against Kumagawa (obviously). But it would also make like 99% happy, considering they just wanna live in peace.
I'm not sure they would be happy. If a Devil being permanently removed by All Fiction has the same consequences as when CSM does it, then a lot of things are gonna disappear. Including some very useful stuff like muscle or the future.
That's way wrong as kumagawa can't beat the overall natural or physical strength of the characters as there still assassin's, spy's and the fact normal human can survive so attacks from monsters attack,so your,the dumbest thing is saying they only have devils abilities
The thing about Giorno is that GER is so conceptually simple and that's half of what makes it so busted. It's basically the most powerful defensive move ever conceptually to the point where anything that beats it literally has to state outright that it supersedes or ignores it. It doesn't mean it can necessarily beat anyone, since it doesn't necessarily imply destructive power, but with Giorno's intelligence it pretty much means that anyone who isn't able to instantly blink him out of existence is fucked.
True but toru and wonder of u has the power that if any of these characters stepped on a pebble it can paralyze them or kill them And soft and wet is insta killl and tw oh rewrite them out of history
he can erase anything but everyone except him doesnt really work as it isnt one single concept its a bunch of diff concepts (he could erase humans but that erases him as well)
his hax wont work because in dbz, to counter someones power you simple have to be stronger, he just has hax which contributes to his power, without his hax he aiant nothing
@@andotv9320 goku could go 8.6 quadrillion times the speed of light when he was travelling in hell in his base form buddy idk why they are making anime goku trash they just be hiding stuff and not showing it again and it was in his base form. so he could go 50x that speed. so hes dead and sit down buddy
The thing about kumagawa i find so great, is how twisted his sense of reality is. All-Fiction itself wasn't even what it is now when he first got it, his mind is so warped it transformed to be even more terrifying and that's actually so cool to me.
One punch man can easily beat him. All he needs to do is use his speed to kill him he won’t have enough time to use his ability but is my opinion in this video is your opinion too I think
@@bunny-y5j he literally only needs to think ik it's subjective but he could just think that opm never existed also death don't exist to him so it doesn't really matter. even if saitama speed blitzed him he could make it so every nail was stabbing out of him since he doesn't feel pain and saitama will touch it and turn into normal
Hell yeah, my favorite Manga of all times! I've been telling that story for years, but people don't believe me or think the series is bad when I tell them how powerful Kumagawa is. For the game itself, you forgot one important rule: The Universe hates Kumagawa, so he can never win. At best, he can get a draw or hand his opponent a Pyrrhic victory. The times he "wins" in the manga, it's because his stated objective is not what the main cast wish to happen. Real Score should be 0-14 for him. 2:40: actually, the power is sentient and brings him back to life by itself, I forgot which chapter, but Kumagawa mentions that he tried to let himself die and the power still activates.
100% agree. Kumagawa cannot let himself win, since that would ruin his image of being the lowest, the most Minus amongst Minuses. And if we don't include the popularity polls (which he won ever single one after his introduction by landslides) then he ever won once in the entire series, and that was when he bet Medaka would be back from stopping the moon before graduation. And she showed back up about ten seconds after the graduation ended.
@@ERESHKIGALNIGHTCORE the anime literally ended right before the manga became amazing. The Minus Arc felt like it's when the series finally found its footing.
@@overseerpjoe9477 yeah that is true,but i think thought that they would get more views as a manga rather than as a anime.and it is true,more have read the manga than anime
I adore Kumagawa, for all his strength in manga, he constantly loses. (There are conventions here, for example, he easily copes with battles that do not matter to him, but loses where he wants to achieve something) This is due to the fact that he is the embodiment of a loser.Nothing will ever be good for him. But nevertheless, there is one thought in the manga: "Even a loser can win." This is confirmed at the end of the manga, where he "wins" (although before that he still achieved his goal in the battle with the "minus"). Kumagawa passed his arc and grew up as a character, learned how to win. As a reinforcement, he gets the ability to cancel his ability, this is a symbol that he is ready to face problems again that he previously avoided by erasing them. From a "good loser" he turned into a character capable of coping with any failure, so conceptually Kumagawa became the strongest character (At least this is my vision of the character)
@@mistake1197 That guy read some fan fiction i think. He lost anyways when he tried his best. Medaka copied his skill and even upgraded it. Kumagawa was always right.
@@tomasdqwx2781 SPOILER OF THE END Kumagawa effectively never won a fight but at the end he bet that Medaka will came back and she did hence he won because he won his bet something that he never did before
@@tomasdqwx2781 Medaka did looses several time so while being a "born winner" it's not 100% true unlike Kumagawa looses and no the problem is that he can't win at all but him acknowledging that find way to get what he want without having to win.
He's been getting attention from tiktok powerscalers who know nothing about his manga and only know he can erase stuff, but I've seen him get love he deserves in some places yeah
@@pingspoofer832 OK cool, and if u really know him You'd know he never win any fight, it ends in a draw at best. He is the greatest loser He can erase the concept of saiyan, marital arts buts that's about it. You can't take away strength n ki, n if he can screw Goku that will make Goku the same as him.
He and the guy would probably draw or kinda are the same thing. Since they're similar but it's still two different universes we can't really say how it would go..
Yea, except All Fiction activates automatically upon death independent of his thoughts so Aizen fucking with his head like that wouldn't mean much if anything at all.
@@MadoMacid oh but dear sir (or ma'am) there is one stark difference kumagawa is self aware and has read and watched all manga and anime sooo if he wanted he could just say that the bleach manga never existed and poof aizen is gone, no amount defense he has would save him. There are also kumagawa's screws that could just make him a normal human if he gets touched by them soooo yeah.
What if for DC and Marvel, Kumagawa used all fiction by erasing the concept of superheroes, supervillains, and the concept of species other than humans? Would that still work?
a little late but no, he couldn't because of the gap is cosmology and their are some Tier 0 characters in both so even f he did it wouldn't matter because they scale above him and would just be unaffected
I don't think Kumagawa can erase concepts above his understanding and since he is a regular human in the end, he shouldn't be able to completely erase Galactus, Eternity, Infinity, Anti Monitor, etc. However, Medaka and Ajimu (who is a Tier 0 entity, according to Issin's EXPO statements) can actually erase them pretty casually except maybe other Tier 0 entities.
I was hoping you would put him up against the Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo universe, because I’m curious as to if Hajike could maybe find a way to beat him or something like that.
Bobobobo would win, because all fiction would not work since bobobobo can outdo reality warper. You get thanos with the infinity stone, and all he say, it candy and eat them, and thanos is powerless, or popeye and he will rig the fight and turn his spinach into cabbage. With this fight, he will rig it too make him win or that he is immune since reality has no meaning on bobobbobbo
Another funny thing abt why kumagawa removed all colors from the world is not because his enemies uses atk based off of colors or something like that, it’s prob because the writer did it so that way when drawing, it’s much more easier. And much more faster. 😂 But still I don’t think it’s true. Since I just got that thought lol.
@@captainb.mccrea5480 he being Kumagawa? Because bro already knows what happens when he tries something against someone with "anti-hax" or hax of their own. I love him as a character, but power scalers gas him up way to much. He has limits and things he can't erase, even in his own verse
Hao from shaman king usually comes to my mind when I think about OP as hell characters or anyone who can beat Goku like Rimuru, Anos, Giorno, Saint Seiya & Sailor Moon
also if kumagama made himself immortal and got rid of, chi and magic in the db verse, there are a lot of techniques used such as ultra instinct and destruction that the gods use to kind of break the laws of physics to turn matter into nothing (but into energy really, which makes annihilation) But I don't know, a lot of things to consider
To determine the Strongest/Powerful Anime Character is to determine the most superior, highest Dimensional, detailed anime verse's Strongest character. Probably Hajun, but the strongest Fictional Character in my opinion is the strongest fictional verse with the strongest character belongs to the SCP Foundation verse, because for what I've heard the SCP Verse belongs to everyone and anyone that has made an SCP has an influence on to how Big the Dimensionality, Scaling, cosmology the SCP verse gets While Shows like DBZ and OPM can only be influenced by a 1 or 2 or more authors the SCP verse is just the ultimate Verse with the internet as it's author.
Well, there is also The World of Darkness. I don't have much experience with it but from what I've seen it's comparable to SCP and even above a lot of characters. Hell, humans from that universe can be busted if they know what they're capable of.
@@namesdontmattergaming2756 a boundless God from Shinza Bansho who has a complex explanation for how scaling in his verse works and he transcends all things or something like that. I think someone said he beat two other boundless beings with 3 fingers or something.
The Chinese SCP foundation can be stronger but not strongest in fiction, there are fanmade stuff and chinese mythology, japanese mythology stuff, Buddhism and Hinduism Lord Shiva third eyes and Lord Buddha are that just boundless being and beyond human comprehension
You didnt also mention his Imagination Manifestation which isn't even considered a skill that medaka can copy. Since its literally his own sheer willpower that brings things to existence. This is how he makes his endless supply of screws. Hell he could even make any weapon and give it any ability or property he wants. He just uses screws because he thinks its stylish. Theres also his Hundred Gauntlets which he can use to reverse cause and effect. Broken as hell.
Sorry for asking these things now, but: - when was it stated and/or demonstrated that he can give any ability and property he wants to what he creates, without any limit, if this is what you meant? - can he actually use Hundred Gauntlets? It seemed that it was just a part still not twisted of All Fiction, which just made All Fiction complete. Also, I theorize that Hundred Gauntlets got distorted completely when Misogi obtained Non-Fiction, since Non-Fiction should be a perfect, complete All Fiction and maybe All Fiction wasn't complete because Hundred Gauntlets hadn't been twisted completely yet
@@Fau499 Yeah, All Fiction had the limit that it couldn't be used on it's own effect and then it evolved surpassing this limit and Misogi named the evolution of All Fiction "Non-Fiction"
@@davidedavide2100 like I meant it being so broken that it's beyond insane trying to fight against it, but the fact there's an even stronger version of it
Might guy and rock lee does not have any chakra the aura around them is just a lot of sweat. To prove this when kishame tried to absorb his charkra while might guy was using fifth inner gate he was not able to do it and when kishame asked might guy told hime about the sweat aura thingy BTW nice videoes💗💗
Small correction for 9:00 Its not magic, but Ethernano that are the source of all power in Fairy Tail. (well, mainly you also have demono particles that use curse instead of spell or Being cursed by a God that leads to concept manipulation, like Life and Death) Ethernano are nanoparticles that exist within a planet athmosphere, once they are absorbed by a mage (usually at rest, with a specific bonus organ they have) they will convert it into magic power over time. And magic power is used to use spell and magic. (Ethernano can also support anti-magic spell) But you can have entity inside of the Fairy Tail universe that have infinite magic power without the need of Ethernano (or vice versa) like Fairy Heart. Or a breach in space-time that create a true void fill with temporal magic power. Basically converting ethernano into magic automatically without the need of time or space. You also have fusion power inside Fairy Tail, with Etherion and Wall Eatho body. (particles fusion that can reach 200 millions degree Celsius) Or power that bypass concept such as time, space, invulnerability to fire and infinity. (See how Natsu can just get angrier and burn those) Its because emotion are also linked to magic, with ''Love'' being the first one. For the range of the concept of ''magic'', there is also spell which magic can reset countless timeline branch, like Neo Eclipse. (Basically reaching outside of time itself) And finally for the most recent chapters of 100 Years Quest, there are also now Guns and Alchemy in FT. So yeah, I get the power but trying to cancel all of that with one short thought is probably impossible. I can see removing Ethernano, removing demono particles and removing Alchemy. But what about Fairy Heart? Or object charged with magic power prior to All Fiction use, like in Edolas? (And all the other tech they have to fight too) For me he don't have the point. (He can remove the atmosphere of Earthland and kill 99% of the main cast overtime though)
"so yeah, i get the power but trying to cancell all of that with one short thought is probably impossible" kumagawa erased the whole concept of colors once, erasing by addition: bloodlose, damage, etc. just by thinking the colors just don't exist
dude he is invincible,all he has to do is use all fiction and all the universes cease to exist no one is immune to his power other than him,he can even basically make himself immortal
Against a character like yogiri Takatou though, either they'd be at a draw, or it just wouldn't happen at all cause their powers are so very similar.. Though, I'm pretty sure yogiri has a good chance to win since there's a possibility he might just be "the end" incarnate but it's hard to say. (Yogiri is from "Instant Death fyi)
@@randomthings8732 oh he would definitely win that battle, since Yogiri is the Complete Embodiment of the End after all, since much like everybody else Kumagawa also has an End after all, since if Kumagawa even thinks of killing, attacking or harming Yogiri, he would die Instantly without him realizing what happened, since Instant Death instantly without any delay would kill anyone that thinks to harm Yogiri from Existence itself, it would even kill his Parent so that he wouldn't been born and existed in the first place really
I think Mystical Goku from DB-GT can fight back Kumugawa or all fiction cuz cuz Goku is already omnipotent omnipresent no time exist on him or limit after he fuses as a dragon god
@@777gersbruh Goku ain't shit, he isn't even top 10 in his own anime, stop trying to always make Goku win with any character out there, if he isn't even powerful in his own anime just don't bring him up.
@@lookherelooklisten7850first stop projecting, second Goku is actually powerful scaling to low comp multi, lastly nobody cares about your rage bit and I don't remember kumagawa blizting a time skipper, nearly destroying his universe whilst also having feats of beating people who walks through a time prison like a morning also that little power he has is useless if he can't back it up with actual strength he's getting gut checked and killed the moment the fight starts
@@lookherelooklisten7850 Genuine question can people in his verse destroy multiple universes also dragon ball like 12 universes are all 6-7D structures it's no big deal
For the Naruto universe, most Taijujutsu experts, you wear weights that are extremely heavy, and when they takeoff, those weights become stupidly fast and most cases oh, I forgot about one important thing Boruto.
rimuru survived deletion, like, the enemy deleted his existence, his ENTIRE existence, past, future, all of it, but he survived it, deleting the universe would not kill him.
I suppose it comes down to outpacing the speed of thought, right? most characters get their asses kicked because they aren't faster than his thoughts, but of course, there's concepts like Hakai and the Shadow Realm, which are debatable.
Even if they outpace his thoughts it doesn't really mean much. They wouldn't be able to actually kill him making them attacking him fast kinda not mean much
All-Fiction would undo his death automatically, he doesn't need to think about it, so speed blitzing, like so many comments are saying, wouldn't do anything. They would kill him, and he would get right back up. Being sent to the Shadow Realm, or being sealed away somehow, is also something he could undo. In fact, there was a story arc in Medaka Box where a bunch of characters got sealed away, including him, and he was the first one to get out. So, that wouldn't work. Hakai/something to erase his existence would work, since All-Fiction can't undo undoing something. However, he gets a new ability in the epilogue chapter called Non-Fiction, that allows him to undo undoing something, so he could possible come back from being erased from existence with Non-Fiction the same way he comes back from being dead using All-Fiction.
@@paragonandarky I just said that he has a power that can undo the erasure of existence. I'm not 100% saying that he could some back from being hakai'd or whatever, just making conjecture. Since he has All-Fiction that brings him back from dying, it wouldn't be that hard to assume he could come back from erasure with Non-Fiction.
didn't he have a sealing ability too? y'know when Ashinshin-san appear for the first actual time, she has multiple screw that was sealing most if not all of her power? so, i reread chapter 151 and bookmaker is not just turning people to be just like him, its also a seal. Ashinshin-san can break the seal after 3 years with her 4 quadrillion skills. so it doesn’t mean much if the bookmaker is used against Medaka or Ajimu, but for other people that’s the worst thing ever happened
0.33 goku, jiren, frieza, gohan, piccolo, gas, moro, uub, granolah, all G.O.Ds, all angels, zeno, super shenron, zalama, zamasu, black, hit, anos, rimuru, hajun, fetherine, akuto sai, anti-spiral, simon, hadou gods(i considered hajun seperately cause in his own worlds, he can crush all of then with a finger), celestial sapiens, thanos, CAS, lucifer, TOAA, TOBA, TOBA hulk, etc can all destroy a uni+ plus more casually
We still see him defeat people in the story, he just doesn't see those occurrences as wins tho. Still the people who he fought were for the ER at best and he was pretty much untouched due to all fiction.
I'd argue Akuto Sai would be stronger with his Causality Manipulation, Acausality, and all the other abilities. But no doubt that Kumagawa is indeed a force to be reckoned with.
Kumagawa también interfiere con la causalidad, y a nivel conceptual. Lo que determina la victoria es quien tiene más capas en el uso de manipulación conceptual.
I’m curious as to how many uses it would take to neutralize the Persona/SMT series. Two would already need to be used to get rid of demons and personas. As for the third, he would have to choose between either: Getting rid of special cases (Demifiend and The Nahobino), getting rid of alternate worlds (TV World, Tartarus, the Metaverse), or getting rid of shadows
Problem with this is that no amount of uses would allow him to neutralize. Like, all the things you mention, they're capable of coming back from outright existence erasure, and often wield conceptual manipulation on a FAAAAR greater scale than All Fiction.
@Wolfhero Johnson The Phantom Thieves get essentially All Fiction'd near the end of P5, but get erased from KNOWLEDGE as well as existence. They ignore it and make themselves exist anyway. Many other far more powerful entities would be capable of similar things, assuming All Fiction could even do anything to them to begin with, which, on the scale that SMT functions, is highly doubtful. Also, a thing I didn't mention in my prior comment that makes it even *less* possible for All Fiction to work is Observation. Observation is a metaphysical force in SMT, including Persona, that essentially makes it so that anything one perceives as real, is. Generally, the more powerful an entity in the series is, the more powerful their Observation, with one exception: humanity. An individual human's Observation is incredibly weak, not really affecting anything, but it has compounding effects across the incredibly highly complex multiverse that is the franchise, to the point that CHEMTRAILS, for example exist as a Demon. As long as either a powerful entity or the collective humanity believes something to be real, All Fiction simply can't impact it, and the list of such things is as follows: Demons Gods Humanity(and by extension shadows and personal, as they are parts of humans) Basically everything else. Adding onto all of this, if he somehow knew about Observation to try and All Fiction that, he'd now be facing the wrath of The Axiom for messing with its gift to mankind, who would respond by erasing him from existence, history and thought, and then reinstate Observation anyways making the one thing worth affecting that he could even hope to, pointless.
yeaaah but all fiction just brings him back from the erasure, kumagawa's all fiction activates automatically when he gets killed and he returns back, he cant die, dudes basically immortal, more in the manga that is when he gets non fiction and one hundred guantlets wich he can destroy restore and make anybody piss they're self only by his thought, upgraded minus all fiction can just erase the concept no matter what.@@mr_dino4222
@@poopoo7107 the story works in an odd ways its already clear that ajimu is beyond everyone but she never really tries to interfere cause every time she tried the author steps in. Ajimu is consider to be one of the strongest anime/manga characters ever. While kumagawa all fiction Is powerful its was ajimu 100 gauntlet first. And does get given back. For example medaka winning is guaranteed no matter who it is cause that's how the story is. If you were to drop the whole db series from Canon to non Canon into the medaka box story medaka would win
@@Imagine8849 i mean yea because "plot" is just the most busted part of a story, if it wasn't presant, ajumu should by all means be on a whole diff level from medaka, that being said i doubt plot would ever favor misogi, so i still count it as a win since even ajimu was threatened enough by bookmaker to take it away, only to realise that she made a mistake after all fiction appeared
Even if Goku got hit with a flat screw, he'd still be dangerous. Even without strength or a high power level, the techniques and tricks Goku knows alone make him pretty busted. You'd have to make the entire concepts of martial arts and ki fiction
8:56 (fairy tail) In the Tartarus arc there are demons that use a power called curses the demons tried to remove magic from the world so that they could revive END, if there's no magic there are curses, curses are used by demons, you failed to mention that...
Mortal Realm is 3D Hell is 4D Heaven is at least inf 4d. Now the Cosmology can reach between 5-8D due to the dimensional scaling of the Kaioshin Realm and the Neutral Zone. Now, through the King Kai scan, it's stated that the Kaioshin Realm is at least 2 dimensions above Heaven, placing it at 6D. Now the Neutral Zone scales at least 1-2 dimensions above the highest dimension in the macrocosm, due to it being the void that seperates each of the universes in Universe 7. Now, I'll talk in the sense that the Kaishin Realm is on the same dimensional leveling as Heaven. That puts U7 at least at 5-6D. We can scale Goku at 6D low complex multiversal. Due to Gokus cosmology he bypasses Kumagawas hax. All fiction only scales up to 4D. Cosmology matters too.
there are literally people that can negate this dudes power, like hajun for example, he is a boundless being, A.K.A, A tier 0 being which means he isn't bound to concepts nor anything of that, even though Kumagawa isn't bound to concepts.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the androids are able to get infinite ki from tapping into another dimension or something like that, meaning that erasing ki would also affect that.
I thought medaka box was just a calm anime about two people going around and doing task but one episode EVERYTHING changed and I was shocked that's, why o love medaka box so much
i have a theory, will kumagawa's all fiction even work a against fictional characters? because they already are fictional characters, so what's kumagawa gonna do?
Erase the concept of fiction, any concepts can be erased as long as he thinks about it. I mean if fictional characters were to fight him they would no longer be fiction would they?
@@pillowmaster4818 but can the concept of concepts be erased I wonder? If so, then his power becomes useless. You can't erase something that technically doesn't exist.. Also, I think that might just end the universe so nvm
great vid, keep it up!:) i agree with everything except Anos. he's shown in season 1 already that he stands above multiversal concepts and above the erasure of those concepts. Anos would mop the floor with him pretty easily as no conceptual things can bind him
You should look at takato yogiri from the manga instant death. He has probably, if not the most, broken power in all of fiction that allows him to kill anything.
not really their are tons of people who can erase their death or just come back for example kumugawa can erase his death and lots of them have soul minip so that is most of the time insta death and even if it's permanent some could just ignore it and still come back
@random smart guy the thing that makes it so broken is that they can't just ignore it. If someone has immortality or an ability that keeps them from dying, he can just kill it.
@@cooldude9755 and kumagawa can just erase the existence of that ability. all fiction is one directional omnipotence in that theres no limit to what it can erase including itself.
@@uteriel282 Well, you see it's not a ability, some spoilers (English is not my first language, so any error please understand) . Yogiri is in actually the concept of The End in itself, if all things have a path Yogiri is the end of that path So Yogiri can "kill" All Fiction, because All Fiction path ends within Yogiri Which means in a fight between them the first to use their ability wins, considering that All Fiction could erase the concept of The End
There is another stand that can beat Kumagawa but the stand isn't cannon. Its called "Beyond" or "Go Beyond", its user is Jesus Christ and it allows Jesus to change Fate. Fate is a massively big thing in JoJo because if Kumagawa just erased fate, there is no longer a guarantee he is going to win. Like DIO explained, Fate is like a gravity that pulls people towards each other (im sure most people know this) so if someone were Fated to defeat someone else then Fate will make that happen. If Kumagawa erased Fate, it gives both Jesus and Kumagawa 50/50 chance to win even if it looks like Kumagawa has the advantage with his bolts.
The thing is with this character nobody really cares about characters like him who never really worked hard to get were he was or has a variety of skills/moves all he has to do is think of making Goku or whoever he’s fighting disappear and there is really no fight it’s just kinda a five second thought
Oh trust me, Kumagawa didn’t gain all this power by being lazy. In the most twisted of ways he had to develop some of these skills through actual effort.
It’s like the same thing why a lot of people dislike one punch man because even though many charters in anime train harder than Siatama but still are not even close to his power. and even the person who made this video he agrees at 3:41 we’re he says the powers are completely BS because all he has to do is just think hey I want this person to die and then he just wins with a flawless performance and victory just like that and also anyone can make a op character from any media like i could write a book we’re the main character for practically no reason is impossible to kill and has unlimited power but the road to achieving the power is what makes comparing characters fighting abilities so fun and that’s why this character is so unrecognized because it’s not even fair
@@lucasrummel5550 tbh that’s the whole point of his character, he’s suppose to be busted in the most ridiculous of ways with powers that even defy the common trope of characters training for years to get stronger (Ironically that’s been done to death so many times to the point where it’s just not even worth what it was years ago) but regardless of the fact that he is so powerful it ultimately doesn’t matter. His character isn’t suppose to be the strongest at all, he’s truthfully the weakest character you’ll ever meet in the fact that he is unable to win. Ever. It’s honestly that simple. In fact Kumagawa is actually written so well that he single-handedly saved his own manga from being cancelled when he was introduced. Heck he was pretty famous in Japan for a time to. He actually has masterful and poetic levels of writing when you delve into his character but I digress. Kumagawa would lose even with these bs abilities that’s his whole character. No matter what he cannot win. He isn’t just OP just to be OP. There’s a reason he is known as the “Good Loser” Kumagawa would lose to anyone. Goku, Naruto, Luffy, a snail, even a something as simple as paper could defeat him. Even if Kumagawa does train like Goku, he would still lose. That’s just the sad reality of his character.
My main point is that this is why none likes comparing him to other fighters in anime because all he has to do is think about defeating his opponent and that’s why none likes to compare him I understand why you would say that he is a poetic character and it’s creative but it’s not my point also when he does not have a verity of moves that are comparable it is just more annoying to compare him to others
I'd love to see how All Fiction VS DIO Over Heaven/The World Over Heaven would go. Both powers can manipulate reality, so it seems like a fair fight. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dio over heavens ability is limited to his hands and not a passive like kumagawas but if Dio stops time before kumagawa does anything then he would win
Actually there is an answer to "Can Kumagawa beat X?" and its "Nope." He will lose every time. He'll always justify any win other than an absolute clear win without using any of his abilities as a loss, a cheap trick, or another "unreal win". Nihilism is a cruel mistress, and his powers will always ensure he loses every fight he is in. Why? He cannot IMAGINE his own victory. Its a plot point.
He still defeated other characters in terms of fighting abilities, if we compare him with another character in terms of fighting abilities, should we really consider his personality? In this case, the winner is just who is more powerful and skilled at fighting, his personality should be another matter, no?
This is interesting somebody remember X🫡 You talking about kamui? it's been decade if my memory serve correctly Kamui's ability is destruction not but... he was the literal Destruction unlike Beruss from Dragon ball Super
towards the end he was getting better, unlocking nonfiction and april fiction, he also won his bet with medaka. his first true win, so he could probably win things now
He could erase Heavenly Restrictions which is the reason why Toji is strong. Also erasing curse energy may already cancel Heavenly Restrictions since those rely on either taking away your cursed energy for a stronger body or giving you more cursed energy in exchange a weaker body.
Kumagawa can indeed beat Goku, but not with All Fiction, because with All Fiction he'd need to erase Goku from existence and you can't win against someone who doesn't even exist. Anything short of outright erasing Goku won't work on someone as fast as him. The ability that allows Kumagawa to beat Goku is Bookmaker, as long as it can hit that is (Tho I don't remember whether that was temporary or permanent).
I think that Darkstalker from wings of fire (a book series about dragons) could beat Kumagawa because Darkstalker has the powers of being immortal, being able to read minds, being a dragon (which makes him super strong, super smart, super fast and he can fly), being able to see into almost an infinite amount of futures and he is an “Animus”( which makes it so anything that Darkstalker thinks/says comes true but the one thing he can’t do is bring humans or dragons back to life) for instance Darkstalker could think/say enchant myself to be immune to any of Kumagawa’s attacks/magic or think/say enchant this pebble to go at the speed of light into Kumagawa’s head then get logged inside of his brain then explode with the power of 100 atom bombs but only have the blast radius of 10 meters(so I doesn’t destroy the hole country) or he could think/say enchant Kumagawa to not have any powers. So that’s why Darkstalker could beat Kumagawa in a fight.
Kuwa- i don't remember his name Just Uses Science fiction Chakra just didn't even existed If you take off from like Naruto his all chakra he dies But that ability is different
Problem here is that ppl like rimuru & anos have resistances to things that could effect their existence of himself and his abilities although he could effect other things i'm 99% sure there's nothing he can do to straight get rid of ppl like anos and rimuru. Rimuru even has the ability to accidently destroy universes like his move turn null. I will edit this if i realize something different.
unfortunately, people like rimuru pretty much live and die by their system, take that out and they become way more managabe, so making it so that the system would have never existed should be enough
so by your logic lets say there is a saiyanite and it weakens a saiyan if it hit them and it will attach to their body as well and it makes them weaker than a new born human so they are preety much dead as inorder to take it off you need a great deal of strength which a normal saiyan could generate but this saiyan is infected so they can't do it and would need another saiyan with special equipments to help so lets say deku got a gun and he have a bullet made of saiyanite so deku slaps goku because he has this gun
The problem with fights like this as soon as you get to the point where the characters have reality altering powers there is no reason in arguing in them fight cuz the winner is the authors choice
Powerscaling wasn’t made to say “the writer decides”. That was the baseline. Powerscaling is here to say “but what if they didn’t?”. Powerscalers know that from a writer’s POV they are pointless. But they don’t care. Because powerscaling is all about bringing meaning to the meaningless fiction around us and taking cold-hard facts from pure conjecture. And for that, I respect all powerscalers.
Despite how op he is, his character is super important to take into consideration. Its sort of like how a lot of protagonists get into troubling situations and you know they're going to win or at the very least, because...well...they're the protagonist its just a matter of how. Kumagawa is that concept flipped on its head. With his Op abilities you'd think he'd have the advantage in every situation but you just know he's going to lose or at the very least, not win, its just a matter of how. That's why they use tricks and fight dirty, if they play fair they lose damn near by default so they're gonna lose while making things as miserable for their opponents as possible or go for the closest thing to a win they can get, a draw. This is the nature of a minus.
Like another commenter said the thing about kumagawa i find so great, is how twisted his sense of reality is which I think is really true because it's only the mentality of the user that makes this power even usable. even though these two are in different tiers think of gremmy from bleach he can imagine anything into reality however he lost becuase of lack of fighting experience a weak mindset and non proper training with his powers because he was locked up in fear of him over throwing Yhwach. I'm not so sure on the details but at least to my memory I think ajimu trained him to use all fiction
Great video. Just for fun of argument, I will try to explain some strength and weakness of All fiction. Minus abilities, that minuses uses are pretty different from others abilities. Basically they aren't minuses because they have minus abilities, but have minus abilities, because they are minuses. Minus abilities are bug created for life, experience, mentality and whole reality of person. This is their strength and weakness. On one hand, it's very hard, if not impossible to completely destroy minus ability, because it's source is its user. Best you can seal it or made it weak. But they are defined by it's user, so id person change, their ability can too. Bookmaker did grow weaker after KM fight with Medaka where he admitted his loss and was happy about it. So talk no jutsu or therapy could actually affected his skills. Actual nature of them as bug allows them resist similar skills that operates on similar principles of bug/mistakes/flaws because they already bug. Similarly other minus abilities can resist little against All fiction. KM was able to resist this way against bug principle used by superior system of abilities. Another weakness of of minus abilities are connection between people. Skills and concepts based on connection, communication and interactions between people can resist all fiction, it isn't perfect, it depends on how strong All Fiction is, but it's definitely best defense against it. So, even weaker powers, if they are based on connections can defeat him. KM could beat Frieza like nothing, but could be defeated by some generic hero who use powers of friendship to power up holy sword that can at best cut mountain. Spirit bomb from DB that collect power from people should be able to resist erasion too, but probably couldn't kill him for good. Ironically, Jedi are really good counter for this ability (he could screw them different ways) and Force should be immune to him, as collection of life force of all living things etc. Last weakness of all fiction is that can only change real thing into fiction, not necessarily only things made of matter, he can erase memories, but couldn't stop efekt of colour manipulation that uses illusion of colors. He colored him as he was beaten and his body reacted as if he really was etc. Best way to look at minus abilities is také them as something operation on different rules of reality and overwriting our rules. They don't care how strong attack is or where it hits, but what is base of attack. Because of it, these abilities are quite unpredictableunpredictable. Important is, KM is crazy (and) powerful fighter even without All Fiction and I wouldn't want to have him as enemy.
If we also consider isekai manga/anime, you can consider him being able to beat all of those universes as well: How? 1. Remove Mana/Aether/Magic 2. Remove Skills other than himself/or gifts bestowed by gods 3. Remove artifacts/imbued weapons/enchanted weapons Granted there are probably beasts/monsters that can still overpower him without those things. (Ie let's say a dragon species or harpies) But his second ability can nullify most if not all of their advantages.
I just remembered that kumagawa canonically knows everything about anything from other manga cause he has actually read pretty much every bit of manga lol.
he is the pennicle of a loser, right so he would be slower than most people in this debate and bro would need to think right so just imagine a slow human who can counter any by just thinking fighting a 4 quadrillion*c (lowballed in just buu saga) who can punch pi rad and cancel out a punch from a G.O.D that can destroy a macrocosm(infinite*infinite universe in size)(which even lowballed is low multiversal) at the start of the season. yeah really comparable, the humans gonna beat the crap out of the alien
I told my friend who thinks goku solos all of fiction about this character and he just kept saying goku speed blitzes even when I told him goku can't win and he couldn't come up with anything other then goku speed blitzes then he left
11:35 Fun fact: it has been pointed out that even 100 years (I forgot the exact number) the people's bodies (yes even the regular people like ramen guy) have evolved to be so dependent on chakra that if they ever ran out... They die... If Kumagawa just removes chakra That's it, that's the whole verse just dead for the fact the author himself states how chakra has been so ingrained into their evolutionary history that it's literally what keeps anything and everything alive... Don't believe me, feel free to look it up yourself.
Remove everthing's abilities should do the trick. Ability is the possession of the means or skill to do something. This way Komugawa can just wait for everything to decay. Example: Photosynthesis is the ability to convert sunlight into chemical energy. Therefore plants would just starve and die. Moving like walking and running is gone too. Thinking is gone too. So everything is now crippled and he just need to wait for them to decay.
a few things for the goku portion... technically, taking away ki would just outright kill them, since all db characters require it to live. all ki usages in the show are just applications of the already existent life energy. the only exceptions are magic users, but magic is in fact still ki just with a different name and applications. its like comparing a jedi, to a sith, and to a night sister. same energy, required by each group, but still different to them. then theres simple hack negation, as all db characters can have hack reistance by simply being superior. meaning, kumagawa would have to use his flathead screw multiple times on top of however many all-fictions he'd need, as he would have to use it for EACH of gokus forms, with his base alone already being multiversal in strength. this is all considering he can even keep up with goku, who in super is several quintillions faster than light, and GT where hes actively faster than instant teleportation in base as well as TECHNICALLY having kumagawas hacks, since he became the one true god of the dragon ball franchise. and yes, i am indeed saying GT goku slams all of db including zeno. so kumagawa would need several of his screws and all-fiction casts just to attempt to initiate a fight with goku, much less actively engage in one. ALSO!!!! this isnt me glazing goku, just adding points on why hes not particularly a good matchup for goku specifically. besides that, all of dragon ball gets slammed mid to no diff. i should also elaborate on GT. black dragon = universal power(confirmed)//db universe = multiverse(confirmed)//gt kid goku pre CHANGE ~ shin(omega before ball absorption)//shin > black dragon// omega > shin and goku MASSIVELY// ssj4 gogeta MASSIVELY> omega full power with negative ball// omegaFP+negative ball is at the very least 1.5/2x > than normal omegaFP// CHANGE kid goku base form MASSIVELY> ssj4 gogetaFP. 100y goku MASSIVELY> CHANGE kid goku. now for hacks. please note beforehand that dragon ball wishes scale directly to the creator/master of said ball set. black dragon = multiversal wishes that requires 7 balls, REFER TO PREVIOUS SCALES AND INSERT HERE, 100y goku = incomprehensible wishes only requiring ONE ball if not ZERO, 100y goku is omnipotent and invulnerable(CONFIRMED), 100y goku is the master of the dragon realm, which is untouchable and inacceccible to ANYTHING not goku and the dragons which other sources from games and SDBH say is outerversal and has residents that affect the real world the game/show itself exists in. he both exists and doesnt exist, may have omnicience, can instantly teleport anywhere in any time regardless of how inaccessable. thats pretty much it. and yes, him teleporting anywhere is better than most think, as NO VERSION of goku exists besides GT goku who can actively go anywhere at anytime in any time period. instant transmission cannot enter or exit heaven, hell, htc, ect ect ect. GT goku can.
GER's power null works by setting the opponent's will to absolute zero. Kumagawa's will is already zero, his other and original Minus, Bookmaker actually works on that concept too.
Kumagawa has the innate ability to know the weaknesses of other beings and he read the entirety of the JUMP catalog on top of that. If you are a fictional character, you are almost %99 screwed unless you are a being above human understanding. If you are a JUMP character you are %100 screwed.
Kumagawa is more than just his powers, his mindset itself is so warped that he can put people into despair just with his words or presence
talk no jutsu:
finally, a worthy opponent
@@ssharkiggo6432 our battle will be legendary
goku is insane
the more emotional the stronger
@@hardwork......... Insane? Yes. Undefeatable? No.
Removing devils from Chainsaw Man would make them lose a fight against Kumagawa (obviously). But it would also make like 99% happy, considering they just wanna live in peace.
Except Kumagawa can never win a fight, that's a part of his character 😂😂😂
@@etherios5673 exactly, he lost the fight because everyone now has a better life free of devils
I'm not sure they would be happy. If a Devil being permanently removed by All Fiction has the same consequences as when CSM does it, then a lot of things are gonna disappear.
Including some very useful stuff like muscle or the future.
That's way wrong as kumagawa can't beat the overall natural or physical strength of the characters as there still assassin's, spy's and the fact normal human can survive so attacks from monsters attack,so your,the dumbest thing is saying they only have devils abilities
Goku one taps this fodder
The thing about Giorno is that GER is so conceptually simple and that's half of what makes it so busted. It's basically the most powerful defensive move ever conceptually to the point where anything that beats it literally has to state outright that it supersedes or ignores it. It doesn't mean it can necessarily beat anyone, since it doesn't necessarily imply destructive power, but with Giorno's intelligence it pretty much means that anyone who isn't able to instantly blink him out of existence is fucked.
True but toru and wonder of u has the power that if any of these characters stepped on a pebble it can paralyze them or kill them
And soft and wet is insta killl and tw oh rewrite them out of history
Please who's tw
@@acesgaming9467 Tw stands for the world, twoh stands for the world over heaven
and also dont forget about hamon , spin , vampirism , GUNS , and other shit like the charactesrs are also very strong
@@JustARandomDudeHere is the world over heaven canon ?
You can limit him to just 1 move.
He basically have to say "No one exists except him" the fight is over. 😮💨
he can erase anything but everyone except him doesnt really work as it isnt one single concept its a bunch of diff concepts (he could erase humans but that erases him as well)
G.E.R. nuh uh button :
@@nahmanwth5056 GER can't press the nuh uh button if it never existed in the first place
@@snoozerrr_thats the thing, he can create a false name having time to activate it
@danger_1189
1st use:I don't count as a living thing
2nd use: erase all living things
“Dawg you don’t even exist to me”
“What do you mean I don’t exi-“
Literally disintegrated
his hax wont work because in dbz, to counter someones power you simple have to be stronger, he just has hax which contributes to his power, without his hax he aiant nothing
@@I_Kni first of all its simply* not simple second of all its aint not aiant third of all learn power scaling kid
@@andotv9320 goku could go 8.6 quadrillion times the speed of light when he was travelling in hell in his base form buddy idk why they are making anime goku trash they just be hiding stuff and not showing it again and it was in his base form. so he could go 50x that speed. so hes dead and sit down buddy
@@I_Kni people with hax just outscale him anyway.
In his own verse theirs people he can't use his power on and can stop him using it on himself
@@I_Knidosent make him invisible idiot
The thing about kumagawa i find so great, is how twisted his sense of reality is. All-Fiction itself wasn't even what it is now when he first got it, his mind is so warped it transformed to be even more terrifying and that's actually so cool to me.
One punch man can easily beat him. All he needs to do is use his speed to kill him he won’t have enough time to use his ability but is my opinion in this video is your opinion too I think
@@bunny-y5j he literally only needs to think ik it's subjective but he could just think that opm never existed also death don't exist to him so it doesn't really matter. even if saitama speed blitzed him he could make it so every nail was stabbing out of him since he doesn't feel pain and saitama will touch it and turn into normal
@@bunny-y5j I'd imagine he probably has the concept of his own death or harm constantly turned off, so no. Then he turns Saitama into nothing.
@@bunny-y5j except that All Fiction automatically activate on Kumagawa death to erase his death, basically making him immortal.
@@bunny-y5j kumugawa CANT die, at all, All Fiction Auto deletes the fact he died, as soon as he dies
Hell yeah, my favorite Manga of all times! I've been telling that story for years, but people don't believe me or think the series is bad when I tell them how powerful Kumagawa is. For the game itself, you forgot one important rule: The Universe hates Kumagawa, so he can never win. At best, he can get a draw or hand his opponent a Pyrrhic victory. The times he "wins" in the manga, it's because his stated objective is not what the main cast wish to happen. Real Score should be 0-14 for him.
2:40: actually, the power is sentient and brings him back to life by itself, I forgot which chapter, but Kumagawa mentions that he tried to let himself die and the power still activates.
100% agree. Kumagawa cannot let himself win, since that would ruin his image of being the lowest, the most Minus amongst Minuses. And if we don't include the popularity polls (which he won ever single one after his introduction by landslides) then he ever won once in the entire series, and that was when he bet Medaka would be back from stopping the moon before graduation. And she showed back up about ten seconds after the graduation ended.
i wish they continued with the anime. Kumagawa deserve more screen time like 1 to 2 seasons worth
exactly,i have been telling many people too,but they dont agree
@@ERESHKIGALNIGHTCORE the anime literally ended right before the manga became amazing. The Minus Arc felt like it's when the series finally found its footing.
@@overseerpjoe9477 yeah that is true,but i think thought that they would get more views as a manga rather than as a anime.and it is true,more have read the manga than anime
I adore Kumagawa, for all his strength in manga, he constantly loses. (There are conventions here, for example, he easily copes with battles that do not matter to him, but loses where he wants to achieve something) This is due to the fact that he is the embodiment of a loser.Nothing will ever be good for him. But nevertheless, there is one thought in the manga: "Even a loser can win." This is confirmed at the end of the manga, where he "wins" (although before that he still achieved his goal in the battle with the "minus"). Kumagawa passed his arc and grew up as a character, learned how to win. As a reinforcement, he gets the ability to cancel his ability, this is a symbol that he is ready to face problems again that he previously avoided by erasing them. From a "good loser" he turned into a character capable of coping with any failure, so conceptually Kumagawa became the strongest character (At least this is my vision of the character)
what chapter is it confirmed that he won? I only saw that his fight happened off screen.
@@mistake1197 That guy read some fan fiction i think. He lost anyways when he tried his best. Medaka copied his skill and even upgraded it. Kumagawa was always right.
@@tomasdqwx2781 SPOILER OF THE END
Kumagawa effectively never won a fight but at the end he bet that Medaka will came back and she did hence he won because he won his bet something that he never did before
@@sachadossantos7972 That because medaka is born winner. He would always win by betting on her. Problem is that he can t win directly.
@@tomasdqwx2781 Medaka did looses several time so while being a "born winner" it's not 100% true unlike Kumagawa looses and no the problem is that he can't win at all but him acknowledging that find way to get what he want without having to win.
Finally people are giving him the love he deserves
He's been getting attention from tiktok powerscalers who know nothing about his manga and only know he can erase stuff, but I've seen him get love he deserves in some places yeah
@@pingspoofer832 OK cool, and if u really know him
You'd know he never win any fight, it ends in a draw at best.
He is the greatest loser
He can erase the concept of saiyan, marital arts buts that's about it.
You can't take away strength n ki, n if he can screw Goku that will make Goku the same as him.
Goku one shots this fodder nobody 😂
The tv remote solos just gotta shut off the tv 💀
Bro hes fiction
Stop being a hater cuz he strong😂
Main character from
The power of instant death
Bro is beyond unfair
finally found the right comment
well rimuru would still be the most op atleast in the end
but can he survive being killed?
He and the guy would probably draw or kinda are the same thing. Since they're similar but it's still two different universes we can't really say how it would go..
@@LargeMetalCube yes. Yes and yes. From what I've read, dude is basically (spoiler below)
The end incarnate, like the **end** incarnate.
If Aizen just makes him think he's alive after he's killed him, can't Aizen seemingly kill Kumagawa without him knowing?
Yea, except All Fiction activates automatically upon death independent of his thoughts so Aizen fucking with his head like that wouldn't mean much if anything at all.
also he could just say "oh spirtual energy doesnt exist" and boom aizen cant beat him
Kumagawa can just say "you don't have a shikai release or bankai release"
aizen can negate hax if the opponents are way weaker than him so all fiction shouldnt even work on him if kumagawa is way weaker
@@MadoMacid oh but dear sir (or ma'am) there is one stark difference kumagawa is self aware and has read and watched all manga and anime sooo if he wanted he could just say that the bleach manga never existed and poof aizen is gone, no amount defense he has would save him. There are also kumagawa's screws that could just make him a normal human if he gets touched by them soooo yeah.
Dude, you should make this a section where you talk about incredibly strong characters! You could make a video about Accelerator, too!
That... Is actually a really great idea! Thanks for that, I'll definitely work on that!
Ay, my man Accelerator gonna get a talk?
Bro I was just about to say Accelerator -_-
One problem is that you could just erase all supernatural phenomenon in one use
What if for DC and Marvel, Kumagawa used all fiction by erasing the concept of superheroes, supervillains, and the concept of species other than humans? Would that still work?
a little late but no, he couldn't because of the gap is cosmology and their are some Tier 0 characters in both so even f he did it wouldn't matter because they scale above him and would just be unaffected
@@000-v7j that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for your input.
actually it would work and all of them would cease to exist
I don't think Kumagawa can erase concepts above his understanding and since he is a regular human in the end, he shouldn't be able to completely erase Galactus, Eternity, Infinity, Anti Monitor, etc. However, Medaka and Ajimu (who is a Tier 0 entity, according to Issin's EXPO statements) can actually erase them pretty casually except maybe other Tier 0 entities.
I was hoping you would put him up against the Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo universe, because I’m curious as to if Hajike could maybe find a way to beat him or something like that.
Bobobobo would win, because all fiction would not work since bobobobo can outdo reality warper. You get thanos with the infinity stone, and all he say, it candy and eat them, and thanos is powerless, or popeye and he will rig the fight and turn his spinach into cabbage.
With this fight, he will rig it too make him win or that he is immune since reality has no meaning on bobobbobbo
Kumagawa simplemente tiene que borrar la realidad y ya.@@MKTyphon
Kumagawa vs demon slayer = remove breathing
So basically, he gets rid of breathing, right?
@@sinfuladam they just insta die
@@blitz_cuby5450 i’m asking you Does he get rid of the ability for them to breathe or does it get rid of the techniques of breathing?
@@sinfuladam the ability to breathe so he loses
@@blitz_cuby5450 so the concept of breathing he takes away from the world right
Hasn’t he also read all manga and pieces of fiction in the multiverse or is that just ajimu?
He reads manga as well
He's a huge dragon ball fan so I really doubt he'd actively try to fuck up any of the DBZ cast
@@pingspoofer832yes I agred
Another funny thing abt why kumagawa removed all colors from the world is not because his enemies uses atk based off of colors or something like that, it’s prob because the writer did it so that way when drawing, it’s much more easier. And much more faster. 😂
But still I don’t think it’s true. Since I just got that thought lol.
Goku so Iconic everybody can't stop trying to find a way to kill him
A way?😂 There are infinite ways
@@Sir.BlackHoleD1 level hating?
He’s fodder lmao there’s hundreds of characters in anime ALONE that could slam him and verse
@@captainb.mccrea5480 Non cannon gokus left the chat
@@captainb.mccrea5480 he being Kumagawa? Because bro already knows what happens when he tries something against someone with "anti-hax" or hax of their own.
I love him as a character, but power scalers gas him up way to much.
He has limits and things he can't erase, even in his own verse
Hao from shaman king usually comes to my mind when I think about OP as hell characters or anyone who can beat Goku like Rimuru, Anos, Giorno, Saint Seiya & Sailor Moon
also if kumagama made himself immortal and got rid of, chi and magic in the db verse, there are a lot of techniques used such as ultra instinct and destruction that the gods use to kind of break the laws of physics to turn matter into nothing (but into energy really, which makes annihilation) But I don't know, a lot of things to consider
Kumagawa IS immortal, all fiction makes him immortal.
To determine the Strongest/Powerful Anime Character is to determine the most superior, highest Dimensional, detailed anime verse's Strongest character.
Probably Hajun, but the strongest Fictional Character in my opinion is the strongest fictional verse with the strongest character belongs to the SCP Foundation verse, because for what I've heard the SCP Verse belongs to everyone and anyone that has made an SCP has an influence on to how Big the Dimensionality, Scaling, cosmology the SCP verse gets
While Shows like DBZ and OPM can only be influenced by a 1 or 2 or more authors the SCP verse is just the ultimate Verse with the internet as it's author.
Well, there is also The World of Darkness. I don't have much experience with it but from what I've seen it's comparable to SCP and even above a lot of characters. Hell, humans from that universe can be busted if they know what they're capable of.
Whose Hajun?
@@namesdontmattergaming2756 a boundless God from Shinza Bansho who has a complex explanation for how scaling in his verse works and he transcends all things or something like that. I think someone said he beat two other boundless beings with 3 fingers or something.
The Chinese SCP foundation can be stronger but not strongest in fiction, there are fanmade stuff and chinese mythology, japanese mythology stuff, Buddhism and Hinduism
Lord Shiva third eyes and Lord Buddha are that just boundless being and beyond human comprehension
What about Bobobo?
You didnt also mention his Imagination Manifestation which isn't even considered a skill that medaka can copy. Since its literally his own sheer willpower that brings things to existence. This is how he makes his endless supply of screws. Hell he could even make any weapon and give it any ability or property he wants. He just uses screws because he thinks its stylish. Theres also his Hundred Gauntlets which he can use to reverse cause and effect. Broken as hell.
Sorry for asking these things now, but:
- when was it stated and/or demonstrated that he can give any ability and property he wants to what he creates, without any limit, if this is what you meant?
- can he actually use Hundred Gauntlets? It seemed that it was just a part still not twisted of All Fiction, which just made All Fiction complete. Also, I theorize that Hundred Gauntlets got distorted completely when Misogi obtained Non-Fiction, since Non-Fiction should be a perfect, complete All Fiction and maybe All Fiction wasn't complete because Hundred Gauntlets hadn't been twisted completely yet
@@davidedavide2100all fiction was already beyond insane, but non-fiction? an even more insane version of all fiction? oh god
@@Fau499 Yeah, All Fiction had the limit that it couldn't be used on it's own effect and then it evolved surpassing this limit and Misogi named the evolution of All Fiction "Non-Fiction"
@@Fau499 Is All Fiction really beyond insane though? It is indeed cool, powerful and dangerous
@@davidedavide2100 like I meant it being so broken that it's beyond insane trying to fight against it, but the fact there's an even stronger version of it
The fact there are characters that still no diff him...
There is no ceiling in fiction.
Might guy and rock lee does not have any chakra the aura around them is just a lot of sweat. To prove this when kishame tried to absorb his charkra while might guy was using fifth inner gate he was not able to do it and when kishame asked might guy told hime about the sweat aura thingy
BTW nice videoes💗💗
Small correction for 9:00
Its not magic, but Ethernano that are the source of all power in Fairy Tail. (well, mainly you also have demono particles that use curse instead of spell or Being cursed by a God that leads to concept manipulation, like Life and Death)
Ethernano are nanoparticles that exist within a planet athmosphere, once they are absorbed by a mage (usually at rest, with a specific bonus organ they have) they will convert it into magic power over time.
And magic power is used to use spell and magic. (Ethernano can also support anti-magic spell)
But you can have entity inside of the Fairy Tail universe that have infinite magic power without the need of Ethernano (or vice versa) like Fairy Heart.
Or a breach in space-time that create a true void fill with temporal magic power.
Basically converting ethernano into magic automatically without the need of time or space.
You also have fusion power inside Fairy Tail, with Etherion and Wall Eatho body. (particles fusion that can reach 200 millions degree Celsius)
Or power that bypass concept such as time, space, invulnerability to fire and infinity. (See how Natsu can just get angrier and burn those)
Its because emotion are also linked to magic, with ''Love'' being the first one.
For the range of the concept of ''magic'', there is also spell which magic can reset countless timeline branch, like Neo Eclipse. (Basically reaching outside of time itself)
And finally for the most recent chapters of 100 Years Quest, there are also now Guns and Alchemy in FT.
So yeah, I get the power but trying to cancel all of that with one short thought is probably impossible.
I can see removing Ethernano, removing demono particles and removing Alchemy.
But what about Fairy Heart? Or object charged with magic power prior to All Fiction use, like in Edolas? (And all the other tech they have to fight too)
For me he don't have the point. (He can remove the atmosphere of Earthland and kill 99% of the main cast overtime though)
In that case, our score is 7-6, pretty close sheesh.
a small correction...?
I aint Reading all that
@@damdoggy5630 Took me about 3 mins to write so yes
"so yeah, i get the power but trying to cancell all of that with one short thought is probably impossible" kumagawa erased the whole concept of colors once, erasing by addition: bloodlose, damage, etc. just by thinking the colors just don't exist
dude he is invincible,all he has to do is use all fiction and all the universes cease to exist
no one is immune to his power other than him,he can even basically make himself immortal
Flaw. All fiction activates automatically when he dies.
Hakai will take care of that
@@paragonandarky ...you do realise that all fiction overwrites anything that affects him right?
Against a character like yogiri Takatou though, either they'd be at a draw, or it just wouldn't happen at all cause their powers are so very similar..
Though, I'm pretty sure yogiri has a good chance to win since there's a possibility he might just be "the end" incarnate but it's hard to say.
(Yogiri is from "Instant Death fyi)
@@randomthings8732 oh he would definitely win that battle, since Yogiri is the Complete Embodiment of the End after all, since much like everybody else Kumagawa also has an End after all, since if Kumagawa even thinks of killing, attacking or harming Yogiri, he would die Instantly without him realizing what happened, since Instant Death instantly without any delay would kill anyone that thinks to harm Yogiri from Existence itself, it would even kill his Parent so that he wouldn't been born and existed in the first place really
With DBZ, Kumagawa could just make Martial Arts and Non-Human Sentient life forms "fiction" so that could've been a point to him for DBZ
I think Mystical Goku from DB-GT can fight back Kumugawa or all fiction cuz cuz Goku is already omnipotent omnipresent no time exist on him or limit after he fuses as a dragon god
@@777gersbruh Goku ain't shit, he isn't even top 10 in his own anime, stop trying to always make Goku win with any character out there, if he isn't even powerful in his own anime just don't bring him up.
@@lookherelooklisten7850first stop projecting, second Goku is actually powerful scaling to low comp multi, lastly nobody cares about your rage bit and I don't remember kumagawa blizting a time skipper, nearly destroying his universe whilst also having feats of beating people who walks through a time prison like a morning also that little power he has is useless if he can't back it up with actual strength he's getting gut checked and killed the moment the fight starts
@@lookherelooklisten7850 Genuine question can people in his verse destroy multiple universes also dragon ball like 12 universes are all 6-7D structures it's no big deal
For the Naruto universe, most Taijujutsu experts, you wear weights that are extremely heavy, and when they takeoff, those weights become stupidly fast and most cases oh, I forgot about one important thing Boruto.
rimuru survived deletion, like, the enemy deleted his existence, his ENTIRE existence, past, future, all of it, but he survived it, deleting the universe would not kill him.
But what if he says that slimes don't exist
I suppose it comes down to outpacing the speed of thought, right? most characters get their asses kicked because they aren't faster than his thoughts, but of course, there's concepts like Hakai and the Shadow Realm, which are debatable.
Even if they outpace his thoughts it doesn't really mean much. They wouldn't be able to actually kill him making them attacking him fast kinda not mean much
All-Fiction would undo his death automatically, he doesn't need to think about it, so speed blitzing, like so many comments are saying, wouldn't do anything. They would kill him, and he would get right back up.
Being sent to the Shadow Realm, or being sealed away somehow, is also something he could undo. In fact, there was a story arc in Medaka Box where a bunch of characters got sealed away, including him, and he was the first one to get out. So, that wouldn't work.
Hakai/something to erase his existence would work, since All-Fiction can't undo undoing something. However, he gets a new ability in the epilogue chapter called Non-Fiction, that allows him to undo undoing something, so he could possible come back from being erased from existence with Non-Fiction the same way he comes back from being dead using All-Fiction.
@@overseerpjoe9477 No prove he can come back from non existence?
@@paragonandarky I just said that he has a power that can undo the erasure of existence. I'm not 100% saying that he could some back from being hakai'd or whatever, just making conjecture.
Since he has All-Fiction that brings him back from dying, it wouldn't be that hard to assume he could come back from erasure with Non-Fiction.
@@overseerpjoe9477 Not soul erasure but physical maybe
didn't he have a sealing ability too? y'know when Ashinshin-san appear for the first actual time, she has multiple screw that was sealing most if not all of her power? so, i reread chapter 151 and bookmaker is not just turning people to be just like him, its also a seal. Ashinshin-san can break the seal after 3 years with her 4 quadrillion skills. so it doesn’t mean much if the bookmaker is used against Medaka or Ajimu, but for other people that’s the worst thing ever happened
It’s bookmaker
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goku, jiren, frieza, gohan, piccolo, gas, moro, uub, granolah, all G.O.Ds, all angels, zeno, super shenron, zalama, zamasu, black, hit, anos, rimuru, hajun, fetherine, akuto sai, anti-spiral, simon, hadou gods(i considered hajun seperately cause in his own worlds, he can crush all of then with a finger), celestial sapiens, thanos, CAS, lucifer, TOAA, TOBA, TOBA hulk, etc can all destroy a uni+ plus more casually
The big factor here is that Kumagawa's whole thing is that he never wins. He loses, and then uses All-Fiction to make his losses fiction.
We still see him defeat people in the story, he just doesn't see those occurrences as wins tho. Still the people who he fought were for the ER at best and he was pretty much untouched due to all fiction.
I'd argue Akuto Sai would be stronger with his Causality Manipulation, Acausality, and all the other abilities. But no doubt that Kumagawa is indeed a force to be reckoned with.
I just believe that All Stories > All Fiction. Yeah ik it isn't called All Stories but it's basically what it is.
Kumagawa también interfiere con la causalidad, y a nivel conceptual.
Lo que determina la victoria es quien tiene más capas en el uso de manipulación conceptual.
lol i like whole universes are seen as "underdogs" against this guy
I’m curious as to how many uses it would take to neutralize the Persona/SMT series.
Two would already need to be used to get rid of demons and personas. As for the third, he would have to choose between either: Getting rid of special cases (Demifiend and The Nahobino), getting rid of alternate worlds (TV World, Tartarus, the Metaverse), or getting rid of shadows
Problem with this is that no amount of uses would allow him to neutralize. Like, all the things you mention, they're capable of coming back from outright existence erasure, and often wield conceptual manipulation on a FAAAAR greater scale than All Fiction.
@@mr_dino4222 How so?
@Wolfhero Johnson The Phantom Thieves get essentially All Fiction'd near the end of P5, but get erased from KNOWLEDGE as well as existence. They ignore it and make themselves exist anyway. Many other far more powerful entities would be capable of similar things, assuming All Fiction could even do anything to them to begin with, which, on the scale that SMT functions, is highly doubtful.
Also, a thing I didn't mention in my prior comment that makes it even *less* possible for All Fiction to work is Observation. Observation is a metaphysical force in SMT, including Persona, that essentially makes it so that anything one perceives as real, is. Generally, the more powerful an entity in the series is, the more powerful their Observation, with one exception: humanity. An individual human's Observation is incredibly weak, not really affecting anything, but it has compounding effects across the incredibly highly complex multiverse that is the franchise, to the point that CHEMTRAILS, for example exist as a Demon. As long as either a powerful entity or the collective humanity believes something to be real, All Fiction simply can't impact it, and the list of such things is as follows:
Demons
Gods
Humanity(and by extension shadows and personal, as they are parts of humans)
Basically everything else.
Adding onto all of this, if he somehow knew about Observation to try and All Fiction that, he'd now be facing the wrath of The Axiom for messing with its gift to mankind, who would respond by erasing him from existence, history and thought, and then reinstate Observation anyways making the one thing worth affecting that he could even hope to, pointless.
@@mr_dino4222 Huh. No wonder Persona scales to multiversal
yeaaah but all fiction just brings him back from the erasure, kumagawa's all fiction activates automatically when he gets killed and he returns back, he cant die, dudes basically immortal, more in the manga that is when he gets non fiction and one hundred guantlets wich he can destroy restore and make anybody piss they're self only by his thought, upgraded minus all fiction can just erase the concept no matter what.@@mr_dino4222
light novel rimuru: yeah imma just... *rewrites charater to be a litt baby with no powers * GLUTTONUS KING:BELZEBUB
speed is a factor
thought speed is also imp.
Kumagawa has access to infinite speed via erasing the concept of speed on himself and uses it pretty casually throughout the series.
Kumagawa is great but we all truly know that ajimu is strongest if we're not using medaka with plot armor
didn't kumegawa beat ajimu? this was before even gaining all fiction.
@@poopoo7107 he sealed her with book maker
@@Imagine8849 yea which is a crazy feat considering he's way stronger than he was at the time
@@poopoo7107 the story works in an odd ways its already clear that ajimu is beyond everyone but she never really tries to interfere cause every time she tried the author steps in. Ajimu is consider to be one of the strongest anime/manga characters ever. While kumagawa all fiction Is powerful its was ajimu 100 gauntlet first. And does get given back. For example medaka winning is guaranteed no matter who it is cause that's how the story is. If you were to drop the whole db series from Canon to non Canon into the medaka box story medaka would win
@@Imagine8849 i mean yea because "plot" is just the most busted part of a story, if it wasn't presant, ajumu should by all means be on a whole diff level from medaka, that being said i doubt plot would ever favor misogi, so i still count it as a win since even ajimu was threatened enough by bookmaker to take it away, only to realise that she made a mistake after all fiction appeared
Even if Goku got hit with a flat screw, he'd still be dangerous. Even without strength or a high power level, the techniques and tricks Goku knows alone make him pretty busted. You'd have to make the entire concepts of martial arts and ki fiction
I mean he could just think that Goku universe is fiction and win that way
@@logan12satcom83 better yet, just make all sayians fiction. that one action removes some of the biggest hurdles.
@@PompeiSurvivorpretty much. Saiyans, Angels and Gods are fiction and thats gg
“What do you mean, sayians don’t exist” boom clapped game over
We must remind you how capable Goku is.
Couldn’t Kumagawa make it fiction that his power is ONLY for making stuff fiction? Then his power could also just edit reality.
8:56 (fairy tail) In the Tartarus arc there are demons that use a power called curses the demons tried to remove magic from the world so that they could revive END, if there's no magic there are curses, curses are used by demons, you failed to mention that...
Mortal Realm is 3D Hell is 4D Heaven is at least inf 4d. Now the Cosmology can reach between 5-8D due to the dimensional scaling of the Kaioshin Realm and the Neutral Zone. Now, through the King Kai scan, it's stated that the Kaioshin Realm is at least 2 dimensions above Heaven, placing it at 6D. Now the Neutral Zone scales at least 1-2 dimensions above the highest dimension in the macrocosm, due to it being the void that seperates each of the universes in Universe 7.
Now, I'll talk in the sense that the Kaishin Realm is on the same dimensional leveling as Heaven. That puts U7 at least at 5-6D.
We can scale Goku at 6D low complex multiversal.
Due to Gokus cosmology he bypasses Kumagawas hax.
All fiction only scales up to 4D.
Cosmology matters too.
Curious Jorge is getting curious and put this man in a pack
Curious George might have some trouble fighting but we all now who’s winning curious George
Kumagawa could just all fiction the rules of this video 😂
there are literally people that can negate this dudes power, like hajun for example, he is a boundless being, A.K.A, A tier 0 being which means he isn't bound to concepts nor anything of that, even though Kumagawa isn't bound to concepts.
nuh uh bro, boundless is too overkill, take someone else who is not bound to reality, then they already solos kumagawa
@@joyd7530 akuto sai
he is only tier 1-A, or high outerversal
@@joyd7530 scp-682, lucifer morningstar, featherine, the batman who laughs and many more
yeah thats it 🗿🍷
correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the androids are able to get infinite ki from tapping into another dimension or something like that, meaning that erasing ki would also affect that.
I thought medaka box was just a calm anime about two people going around and doing task but one episode EVERYTHING changed and I was shocked that's, why o love medaka box so much
i have a theory, will kumagawa's all fiction even work a against fictional characters? because they already are fictional characters, so what's kumagawa gonna do?
Erase the concept of fiction, any concepts can be erased as long as he thinks about it. I mean if fictional characters were to fight him they would no longer be fiction would they?
@@pillowmaster4818 but can the concept of concepts be erased I wonder? If so, then his power becomes useless. You can't erase something that technically doesn't exist.. Also, I think that might just end the universe so nvm
great vid, keep it up!:) i agree with everything except Anos. he's shown in season 1 already that he stands above multiversal concepts and above the erasure of those concepts. Anos would mop the floor with him pretty easily as no conceptual things can bind him
You should look at takato yogiri from the manga instant death. He has probably, if not the most, broken power in all of fiction that allows him to kill anything.
not really their are tons of people who can erase their death or just come back for example kumugawa can erase his death and lots of them have soul minip so that is most of the time insta death and even if it's permanent some could just ignore it and still come back
@random smart guy the thing that makes it so broken is that they can't just ignore it. If someone has immortality or an ability that keeps them from dying, he can just kill it.
@@randomsmartguy9544 it's just that you can't ignore it. Either way you die, you literally can't escape death as long as he say it.
@@cooldude9755
and kumagawa can just erase the existence of that ability.
all fiction is one directional omnipotence in that theres no limit to what it can erase including itself.
@@uteriel282
Well, you see it's not a ability, some spoilers
(English is not my first language, so any error please understand)
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Yogiri is in actually the concept of The End in itself, if all things have a path Yogiri is the end of that path
So Yogiri can "kill" All Fiction, because All Fiction path ends within Yogiri
Which means in a fight between them the first to use their ability wins, considering that All Fiction could erase the concept of The End
There is another stand that can beat Kumagawa but the stand isn't cannon. Its called "Beyond" or "Go Beyond", its user is Jesus Christ and it allows Jesus to change Fate. Fate is a massively big thing in JoJo because if Kumagawa just erased fate, there is no longer a guarantee he is going to win. Like DIO explained, Fate is like a gravity that pulls people towards each other (im sure most people know this) so if someone were Fated to defeat someone else then Fate will make that happen. If Kumagawa erased Fate, it gives both Jesus and Kumagawa 50/50 chance to win even if it looks like Kumagawa has the advantage with his bolts.
The thing is with this character nobody really cares about characters like him who never really worked hard to get were he was or has a variety of skills/moves all he has to do is think of making Goku or whoever he’s fighting disappear and there is really no fight it’s just kinda a five second thought
Oh trust me, Kumagawa didn’t gain all this power by being lazy. In the most twisted of ways he had to develop some of these skills through actual effort.
True but also compared to other characters who work just as hard or even harder don’t even get close to how strong he his
It’s like the same thing why a lot of people dislike one punch man because even though many charters in anime train harder than Siatama but still are not even close to his power. and even the person who made this video he agrees at 3:41 we’re he says the powers are completely BS because all he has to do is just think hey I want this person to die and then he just wins with a flawless performance and victory just like that and also anyone can make a op character from any media like i could write a book we’re the main character for practically no reason is impossible to kill and has unlimited power but the road to achieving the power is what makes comparing characters fighting abilities so fun and that’s why this character is so unrecognized because it’s not even fair
@@lucasrummel5550 tbh that’s the whole point of his character, he’s suppose to be busted in the most ridiculous of ways with powers that even defy the common trope of characters training for years to get stronger (Ironically that’s been done to death so many times to the point where it’s just not even worth what it was years ago) but regardless of the fact that he is so powerful it ultimately doesn’t matter.
His character isn’t suppose to be the strongest at all, he’s truthfully the weakest character you’ll ever meet in the fact that he is unable to win. Ever.
It’s honestly that simple. In fact Kumagawa is actually written so well that he single-handedly saved his own manga from being cancelled when he was introduced. Heck he was pretty famous in Japan for a time to. He actually has masterful and poetic levels of writing when you delve into his character but I digress.
Kumagawa would lose even with these bs abilities that’s his whole character. No matter what he cannot win. He isn’t just OP just to be OP. There’s a reason he is known as the “Good Loser” Kumagawa would lose to anyone. Goku, Naruto, Luffy, a snail, even a something as simple as paper could defeat him. Even if Kumagawa does train like Goku, he would still lose. That’s just the sad reality of his character.
My main point is that this is why none likes comparing him to other fighters in anime because all he has to do is think about defeating his opponent and that’s why none likes to compare him I understand why you would say that he is a poetic character and it’s creative but it’s not my point also when he does not have a verity of moves that are comparable it is just more annoying to compare him to others
*Curious George solos*
Nah uh
Goofy toon force
Yuh uh
@@JackAndTom610 yuh huh
@@PLATTYVR nah uh
I'd love to see how All Fiction VS DIO Over Heaven/The World Over Heaven would go. Both powers can manipulate reality, so it seems like a fair fight. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dio over heavens ability is limited to his hands and not a passive like kumagawas but if Dio stops time before kumagawa does anything then he would win
Su manipulación de la realidad afecta todo el multiverso, tanto en ap como en rango. Pero nada más, AF aún es superior.
@@nothingness4068Kumagawa puede moverse en tiempo 0.
I feel like truth and anti spiral are some characters that have potential to be the strongest
in what sense like in fiction then if yes absolutely not
@@Scarlett0987 I think In all of anime
@@psychic-friend-toy-freddy There are better stronger characters like let's say Kami Tenchi
@@shubhamsonsurkar3782 ok
Rimuru has the ultimate skill resistance witch lets him survive the destruction of thousands of universes
Below kumagawa is basically takatou ngl one shotting people
Actually there is an answer to "Can Kumagawa beat X?" and its "Nope." He will lose every time. He'll always justify any win other than an absolute clear win without using any of his abilities as a loss, a cheap trick, or another "unreal win". Nihilism is a cruel mistress, and his powers will always ensure he loses every fight he is in. Why? He cannot IMAGINE his own victory. Its a plot point.
He still defeated other characters in terms of fighting abilities, if we compare him with another character in terms of fighting abilities, should we really consider his personality? In this case, the winner is just who is more powerful and skilled at fighting, his personality should be another matter, no?
This is interesting somebody remember X🫡
You talking about kamui? it's been decade if my memory serve correctly Kamui's ability is destruction not but... he was the literal Destruction unlike Beruss from Dragon ball Super
towards the end he was getting better, unlocking nonfiction and april fiction, he also won his bet with medaka. his first true win, so he could probably win things now
Question, for jjk how would Kumagawa fair against Toji? Sure he uses cursed weapons but he's still strong as hell without them.
Well if Toji dont get screwed then he win probably ? I dont know
Bro can still just erase him out of existence I think
If he could he would won in his own manga i think? Did he erase someone ??? I dont know
He could erase Heavenly Restrictions which is the reason why Toji is strong. Also erasing curse energy may already cancel Heavenly Restrictions since those rely on either taking away your cursed energy for a stronger body or giving you more cursed energy in exchange a weaker body.
Wait Toji is strong because of that ? I thought he was strong because he is strong even if he dont have cursed energy
is she gokuversal tho?
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Kumagawa can indeed beat Goku, but not with All Fiction, because with All Fiction he'd need to erase Goku from existence and you can't win against someone who doesn't even exist. Anything short of outright erasing Goku won't work on someone as fast as him.
The ability that allows Kumagawa to beat Goku is Bookmaker, as long as it can hit that is (Tho I don't remember whether that was temporary or permanent).
I'm very happy to hear someone talk about Kumagawa Misogi and Medaka Box
I think that Darkstalker from wings of fire (a book series about dragons) could beat Kumagawa because Darkstalker has the powers of being immortal, being able to read minds, being a dragon (which makes him super strong, super smart, super fast and he can fly), being able to see into almost an infinite amount of futures and he is an “Animus”( which makes it so anything that Darkstalker thinks/says comes true but the one thing he can’t do is bring humans or dragons back to life) for instance Darkstalker could think/say enchant myself to be immune to any of Kumagawa’s attacks/magic or think/say enchant this pebble to go at the speed of light into Kumagawa’s head then get logged inside of his brain then explode with the power of 100 atom bombs but only have the blast radius of 10 meters(so I doesn’t destroy the hole country) or he could think/say enchant Kumagawa to not have any powers. So that’s why Darkstalker could beat Kumagawa in a fight.
This is assuming Kumagawa dosnt just say "immortality is gone" "Animus are gone" "dragons are gone"
Kumagawa could just erased those concepts bro 😂
Actually you just remove chakra And they all die because if you Run out of chakra in The naruto universe You Die
Wait, really?! Boy, I thought they'd at least have a bit of a chance, not that they'd get wiped out instantly! XD
Kuwa- i don't remember his name
Just Uses Science fiction
Chakra just didn't even existed
If you take off from like Naruto his all chakra he dies
But that ability is different
@@arandomweeb1 now compares kumagawa to scp
@@arandomweeb1 also hajun is the strongest anime character
Problem here is that ppl like rimuru & anos have resistances to things that could effect their existence of himself and his abilities although he could effect other things i'm 99% sure there's nothing he can do to straight get rid of ppl like anos and rimuru. Rimuru even has the ability to accidently destroy universes like his move turn null. I will edit this if i realize something different.
Yeah but this man can just erase you by just thinking it, resistance or not you just dont exsist to him
@@otakufengmin1582 ok but what if you're resistant to being erased? what if the concept of not existing cannot be applied to you?
unfortunately, people like rimuru pretty much live and die by their system, take that out and they become way more managabe, so making it so that the system would have never existed should be enough
@@poopoo7107 Possibly
@@zxbplayshdKumagawa could just erased the concept of "Resistance" and boom he can completely erase him now lol
so by your logic
lets say there is a saiyanite and it weakens a saiyan if it hit them and it will attach to their body as well and it makes them weaker than a new born human so they are preety much dead as inorder to take it off you need a great deal of strength which a normal saiyan could generate but this saiyan is infected so they can't do it and would need another saiyan with special equipments to help
so lets say deku got a gun and he have a bullet made of saiyanite
so deku slaps goku because he has this gun
That not really a comparison
What about Stain? Even without his quirk phisicaly the man is a fucking beast. And even then he has that bloodlust ability
sorry but king from opm solos🔥🔥🔥
He will just erase him
His luck would somehow probably find a way to conjure up the most rediculous way for him to win
Goku solos everyone
Fr?
No?
It’s Tutorial Terry from Blocktales
Haven't read Medaka Box in 10 years but immediately remembered Kumagawa when I saw the thumbnail.
you forgot kumagawa can say to goku you are now a human
0:05 pucci
The problem with fights like this as soon as you get to the point where the characters have reality altering powers there is no reason in arguing in them fight cuz the winner is the authors choice
Powerscaling wasn’t made to say “the writer decides”. That was the baseline. Powerscaling is here to say “but what if they didn’t?”. Powerscalers know that from a writer’s POV they are pointless. But they don’t care. Because powerscaling is all about bringing meaning to the meaningless fiction around us and taking cold-hard facts from pure conjecture. And for that, I respect all powerscalers.
**Sun Wukong walks in* *Ahh finally a worhty opponent.
Despite how op he is, his character is super important to take into consideration. Its sort of like how a lot of protagonists get into troubling situations and you know they're going to win or at the very least, because...well...they're the protagonist its just a matter of how. Kumagawa is that concept flipped on its head. With his Op abilities you'd think he'd have the advantage in every situation but you just know he's going to lose or at the very least, not win, its just a matter of how. That's why they use tricks and fight dirty, if they play fair they lose damn near by default so they're gonna lose while making things as miserable for their opponents as possible or go for the closest thing to a win they can get, a draw. This is the nature of a minus.
Only problem is that he'd still lose somehow
7:27 said he will need to use 3 to get rid of all that powers
Kumagawa be like: saiyans don't exist anymore your done [all-fiction]
But all fiction does not effect on people who are above concept
Like another commenter said the thing about kumagawa i find so great, is how twisted his sense of reality is which I think is really true because it's only the mentality of the user that makes this power even usable. even though these two are in different tiers think of gremmy from bleach he can imagine anything into reality however he lost becuase of lack of fighting experience a weak mindset and non proper training with his powers because he was locked up in fear of him over throwing Yhwach. I'm not so sure on the details but at least to my memory I think ajimu trained him to use all fiction
Great video. Just for fun of argument, I will try to explain some strength and weakness of All fiction. Minus abilities, that minuses uses are pretty different from others abilities. Basically they aren't minuses because they have minus abilities, but have minus abilities, because they are minuses. Minus abilities are bug created for life, experience, mentality and whole reality of person. This is their strength and weakness. On one hand, it's very hard, if not impossible to completely destroy minus ability, because it's source is its user. Best you can seal it or made it weak. But they are defined by it's user, so id person change, their ability can too. Bookmaker did grow weaker after KM fight with Medaka where he admitted his loss and was happy about it. So talk no jutsu or therapy could actually affected his skills. Actual nature of them as bug allows them resist similar skills that operates on similar principles of bug/mistakes/flaws because they already bug. Similarly other minus abilities can resist little against All fiction. KM was able to resist this way against bug principle used by superior system of abilities. Another weakness of of minus abilities are connection between people. Skills and concepts based on connection, communication and interactions between people can resist all fiction, it isn't perfect, it depends on how strong All Fiction is, but it's definitely best defense against it. So, even weaker powers, if they are based on connections can defeat him. KM could beat Frieza like nothing, but could be defeated by some generic hero who use powers of friendship to power up holy sword that can at best cut mountain. Spirit bomb from DB that collect power from people should be able to resist erasion too, but probably couldn't kill him for good. Ironically, Jedi are really good counter for this ability (he could screw them different ways) and Force should be immune to him, as collection of life force of all living things etc. Last weakness of all fiction is that can only change real thing into fiction, not necessarily only things made of matter, he can erase memories, but couldn't stop efekt of colour manipulation that uses illusion of colors. He colored him as he was beaten and his body reacted as if he really was etc. Best way to look at minus abilities is také them as something operation on different rules of reality and overwriting our rules. They don't care how strong attack is or where it hits, but what is base of attack. Because of it, these abilities are quite unpredictableunpredictable. Important is, KM is crazy (and) powerful fighter even without All Fiction and I wouldn't want to have him as enemy.
Kumagawa can canonically spawn his screws inside his opponents. The moment he is aware of your location it's over
If we also consider isekai manga/anime, you can consider him being able to beat all of those universes as well:
How?
1. Remove Mana/Aether/Magic
2. Remove Skills other than himself/or gifts bestowed by gods
3. Remove artifacts/imbued weapons/enchanted weapons
Granted there are probably beasts/monsters that can still overpower him without those things. (Ie let's say a dragon species or harpies)
But his second ability can nullify most if not all of their advantages.
I just remembered that kumagawa canonically knows everything about anything from other manga cause he has actually read pretty much every bit of manga lol.
Him vs SCP-682 that thing legit stopped existing and adapted to it to make himself exist again. He is so overpowered that I can’t name all of them.
he is the pennicle of a loser, right
so he would be slower than most people in this debate and bro would need to think right so just imagine a slow human who can counter any by just thinking fighting a 4 quadrillion*c (lowballed in just buu saga) who can punch pi rad and cancel out a punch from a G.O.D that can destroy a macrocosm(infinite*infinite universe in size)(which even lowballed is low multiversal) at the start of the season.
yeah really comparable, the humans gonna beat the crap out of the alien
I told my friend who thinks goku solos all of fiction about this character and he just kept saying goku speed blitzes even when I told him goku can't win and he couldn't come up with anything other then goku speed blitzes then he left
11:35 Fun fact: it has been pointed out that even 100 years (I forgot the exact number) the people's bodies (yes even the regular people like ramen guy) have evolved to be so dependent on chakra that if they ever ran out... They die... If Kumagawa just removes chakra That's it, that's the whole verse just dead for the fact the author himself states how chakra has been so ingrained into their evolutionary history that it's literally what keeps anything and everything alive... Don't believe me, feel free to look it up yourself.
Three words gold expierance requiem
btw kumagawa can imagine that they get hit by a screw so yeah
Remove everthing's abilities should do the trick.
Ability is the possession of the means or skill to do something.
This way Komugawa can just wait for everything to decay.
Example:
Photosynthesis is the ability to convert sunlight into chemical energy. Therefore plants would just starve and die.
Moving like walking and running is gone too. Thinking is gone too. So everything is now crippled and he just need to wait for them to decay.
You forgot one point. Bookmaker erases the power of whoever it touches so once it hits Giorno, it's over
Sorry for the maybe useless precisation and for writing it now, but for what I remember Book Maker doesn't erase powers, it seals them
a few things for the goku portion... technically, taking away ki would just outright kill them, since all db characters require it to live. all ki usages in the show are just applications of the already existent life energy. the only exceptions are magic users, but magic is in fact still ki just with a different name and applications. its like comparing a jedi, to a sith, and to a night sister. same energy, required by each group, but still different to them. then theres simple hack negation, as all db characters can have hack reistance by simply being superior. meaning, kumagawa would have to use his flathead screw multiple times on top of however many all-fictions he'd need, as he would have to use it for EACH of gokus forms, with his base alone already being multiversal in strength. this is all considering he can even keep up with goku, who in super is several quintillions faster than light, and GT where hes actively faster than instant teleportation in base as well as TECHNICALLY having kumagawas hacks, since he became the one true god of the dragon ball franchise. and yes, i am indeed saying GT goku slams all of db including zeno. so kumagawa would need several of his screws and all-fiction casts just to attempt to initiate a fight with goku, much less actively engage in one.
ALSO!!!! this isnt me glazing goku, just adding points on why hes not particularly a good matchup for goku specifically. besides that, all of dragon ball gets slammed mid to no diff. i should also elaborate on GT. black dragon = universal power(confirmed)//db universe = multiverse(confirmed)//gt kid goku pre CHANGE ~ shin(omega before ball absorption)//shin > black dragon// omega > shin and goku MASSIVELY// ssj4 gogeta MASSIVELY> omega full power with negative ball// omegaFP+negative ball is at the very least 1.5/2x > than normal omegaFP// CHANGE kid goku base form MASSIVELY> ssj4 gogetaFP. 100y goku MASSIVELY> CHANGE kid goku. now for hacks. please note beforehand that dragon ball wishes scale directly to the creator/master of said ball set. black dragon = multiversal wishes that requires 7 balls, REFER TO PREVIOUS SCALES AND INSERT HERE, 100y goku = incomprehensible wishes only requiring ONE ball if not ZERO, 100y goku is omnipotent and invulnerable(CONFIRMED), 100y goku is the master of the dragon realm, which is untouchable and inacceccible to ANYTHING not goku and the dragons which other sources from games and SDBH say is outerversal and has residents that affect the real world the game/show itself exists in. he both exists and doesnt exist, may have omnicience, can instantly teleport anywhere in any time regardless of how inaccessable. thats pretty much it. and yes, him teleporting anywhere is better than most think, as NO VERSION of goku exists besides GT goku who can actively go anywhere at anytime in any time period. instant transmission cannot enter or exit heaven, hell, htc, ect ect ect. GT goku can.
GER be like during the intro
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GER's power null works by setting the opponent's will to absolute zero. Kumagawa's will is already zero, his other and original Minus, Bookmaker actually works on that concept too.
firstof all how will that guy know about the power systems
like for as we watch the shows but he didn't or are you implying that he watch the shows
Kumagawa has the innate ability to know the weaknesses of other beings and he read the entirety of the JUMP catalog on top of that. If you are a fictional character, you are almost %99 screwed unless you are a being above human understanding. If you are a JUMP character you are %100 screwed.
Wang Ling can also erase the universe by accident without his amulet
Still he use energy power or qi meridian
All fiction will erase it
@@stevjoshuapal-ing2263 I'm saying he can erase the universe on accident do you even read
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