This video was made in 2019 and there have been significant changes to the resale restrictions including changes to who can access the Top of The World Lounge. I am working on an updated video but for the most part the information here still holds true just with some additions. Thanks for watching!
We are looking to purchasing a minimum of 400 points at Grand Floridian. Trying to weigh out whether to buy direct or break it up into part direct-part resale. An updated video would be extremely helpful!
@@WifeDesignLife It will be up after I get back from my cruise, Tiffany, hopefully by mid-September! But I would DEFINITELY break it up because if you ever decide to sell a 400 point contract will be tough. Disney can also do this for you direct with no problem (2, 200 point contracts instead of one 400 point one)
Can't thank you enough for all of your transparency and information on these DVC videos. Over a year ago when we started researching DVC seriously, yours were the only videos that gave any real/understandable information. Thanks to the amazing deals hitting the market right now we are officially in ROFR at Boardwalk on our very first contract!
I had to give you a quick shout out! Thank for all your informative videos on DVC I have watched over the years we just bought our first contract today on the resale market, I was blessed to find an OKW with the 2057 extention 😁
For us, buying direct for our first contract was important because of being able to buy the annual Gold pass at Florida rates. We book 2-4 times a year and this cost for a family of 4 or 5 has paid off over the years. I would consider buying resale on future contracts because you’ve explained it well it takes some of the fear out of it.
Our next contract will be resale. Have to stay at the rest. We have stayed at Poly (home), animal kingdom lodge both Jambo and Kidani and Saratoga so far. We are staying at bay lake next week. Also I think the whole world needs to listen to your advice right now jen. We need to make our decisions based on facts and not on feelings. Thank you so much for the great content. It’s very helpful that you talk about the differences versus just putting the image up on the screen (makes me feel included as a visually impaired subscriber). Be safe
Great video! We bought DVC resale in 2014 so we fell in the lucky middle perks wise. We can’t use points for concierge/ABD/cruise but we do get discounts and other perks. Because we go only every other year we don’t have annual passes. We have done Moonlight Magic events at Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom. We did have the park to ourselves feel (perhaps because there were more attractions at those parks to absorb the people?) and for our family of 7 those events were really an $800+ value!
Thank you for voting yourself into the Office haha :) I love how you make these DVC videos. You are honest about it all and you try to make it as easy and clear for us as possible. Eventhough I am not in the market to buy DVC (just because I financially can't at the moment), I have always been intrigued by it. And I want to know more about it. But every time I looked up information about DVC I just gave up basically because it is SO confusing and there are so many rules and restrictions and perks and non perks and urgh... :p So when maybe someday we will be able to buy DVC points....I will watch ALL your DVC videos from the beginning so I will be perfectly informed :)
Interesting as always! Even though I know this is on the DVC website, I love hearing from someone who actually has experience with these perks and can explain what their “value” is. Hope you’re having a wonderful day!
Thank you for the great info! I'm thinking about buying DVC, and have been debating about buying 100 points direct just to get the perks. Seeing it presented this way, resale plus an AP will get me any perks I care about. Love your positivity - I'm always happy when I see you've posted a video!
Had to insert the cruise pic with the Dooney. Love it! Also it's actually over $400 per AP now if you compare public platinum vs. DVC gold. I think that's the most valuable perk by far! Anyway happy birthday (since I'm likely to forget like a bad person)!
Thanks! I love your videos. So delightful and helpful. I would love to see a video that talks a little bit about how to pass points to family or transitioning contracts to your kids. Thanks again
Thank you! I found you when researching DVC. It was hard to find clear, relatable info on DVC from “regular people!” Even now as a member, I’m still learning and really appreciate your videos!
That riviera part is a bummer. BUT i feel like that will be lifted in 5-10 years because they'll be building or revamping something new and then they'll loosen the Riviera restrictions...so imagine if you got a better deal on riviera today and then 10 years from now, that restriction was lifted and you wanted to sell your contract. It could suddenly be a huge increase in value. The problem for me is that they aren't giving enough of a discount for this near term restriction.
Thank you Jen this was so helpful. I have been a member since 1994 and I own 4 resorts 3 bought from Disney & 1 a resale. I learn something from you every video !!!! I tell my husband what you say by starting with my friend Jen from Disney lol. Keep them coming!!!
Thank you for all the time and information you put into your videos! They have helped tremendously when considering if DVC was right for our family. Disney just passed on ROFR and we are now waiting to close on our first contract at AKL!
Clearly the UA-cam algorithm has determined I will suffer through long ads for Jen and now gives me mini movies before I get to watch the video!!! And then 2 minutes in, they gave me another set of long ads. I hope you feel the love when I watch that weird prescription medication ad for you. I've never really considered buying DVC direct from Disney, it's just so much more expensive and doesn't really work for the way my family vacations. The ONE resort that might change my mind on that is the Disneyland tower. We'll see...
Thanks for another great DVC video! I was thinking about why people would be confused over the top of the world access and thought maybe they are mixing it up with the dvc Epcot lounge? I started with resale and I couldn’t get into that lounge until I purchased my direct contract. Obviously the ‘free’ (or included haha) soda was not the reason we bought direct but it was nice to use on a hot day!
We just got a 240 point contract at BLT and for that, going resale definitely made sense. I’d never get so many direct. But we are considering a 100 point direct contract. Yes it will be thousands more but we are very carefully crunching the numbers for the gold annual passes and seeing if that makes it worth it. We know it’s not a guarantee that they will always be a perk but it wouldn’t take too long to break even and then start saving money with a family all getting gold annual passes. We figure we’d be paying extra up front but then the annual pass costs will be a bit easier to swallow every year 😂
For most people the only perks that worth it are staying in future resorts and the speed of the process. Is worth it for a family of five to get passes if they go more than once a year. Similar situation for dining and merchandise, how much and how often makes the difference in this discussion. And even TIW, are the savings for the life of the contract worth the extra?
The theme park ticket discount is a sticking point for me. As a direct DVC member, i believe you have access to other AP options in addition to the ones that are limited to non-Florida residents, right? The gold pass? (It’s the gold pass, I just checked the website lolz). That’s big savings! But yeah, you’re right, it’s not a guarantee! This is a tough decision to make! I wish I were making it lol. Thx Jen I luv u gr8 video bye
It is my understanding that if you buy direct from Disney at Riviera, you can still use your points at all of the resorts. It only becomes an issue if you try to resell it. So first owner straight from Disney will still be able to use their Riviera points at Polynesian, but when they go to sell it that person can only use the Riviera. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Not wrong and I say that in the video and also added it in text at the bottom of the screen because when I edited it I wasn't sure that was 100% clear. You are correct!
Staying a future resorts is what gets me to want to buy direct (at some point). We can on our small resale contract but if we buy more it concerns me that now you can't.
I've got a timeshare presentation coming up in Sedona, AZ in September. I'm thinking of bringing a DVC brochure for comparison, and after their 90 minutes is up, see how they respond to a little reverse sales tactic.
Have you done the DVC presentation? My first was in 1993 and we didn’t buy until doing another in 2000. Regret not buying in 1993 ever since. But I’ve told everyone that when Disney is done there is virtually no pressure to sign right there. Can’t say that for most timeshares.
@@jackpast No, I'm not a Disney fan. I think Disney is better than most (especially purchased in 1993), as are the major hotels like Hilton, Marriott, Hyatt, etc. The real question is, if all these properties were hotels, with associated perks, and you divided your maintenance dues by your # of stays, is that a price you would be willing to pay? I've heard of Marriott owners, paying roughly $350 a night, wishing they were in the equivalent Marriott hotel next door, for $250 a night. That's not a scam like Wyndham, Diamond, Buegreen, Grandview, and Westgate. The best timeshare I've seen was private, and ran like an HOA, 2 weeks a year, opposite seasons, and unlimited RV parking, recreational access.
@@thejackalsmith7329 Yep, I've got a presentation booked for Nov 28th, with some scam 2nd rate company. I'll study up the DVC resale market for Old Key West, and come in with all the comparable numbers. Once I did a presentation with Shell Vacation Club (owned by Wyndham), and hid my real travel tendencies. She kept asking, "Do you cruise? Are you sure you've never been on a cruise ship?" Obviously they were eyeballing my FB page, before the presentation!
My wife and I are DVC Direct owners, and I must admit I sometimes wish we would have gone resale. However!!! Resale is so much like buying a house and can be such a lengthy process, as well as can be full of many let downs. For my wife and I.... We are HUGE believers in paying for convenience. We see the value in buying things for the sake of convenience and we actually began going through with a resale contract and I remember thinking to myself "this is gonna take a while", plus at that time there were enough limitations through resale that my wife and I were just like "ehhh, okay, we can pay the extra for convenience". I will add, though, I think Disney does a poor job of taking care of their Direct members. Like, we pay thousands extra and resale members get virtually identical perks. Resale members are buying a discounted and limited contract, therefore in my opinion should have a very limited accessibility to the entire membership feel. Just my opinion. PS LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
Well, if we use the real estate analogy, that's like saying that those who don't buy new construction in a sub-division shouldn't be able to use the neighborhood pool (even thought they pay the same HOA's as everybody else). Because it's actually the dues that pay for all the things we all get to take advantage of. I'm glad you like my videos! Having purchased both resale and direct, I see both sides of that but I absolutely think everyone who pays dues should have full access to everything they're paying dues on (pools, resorts, villas, etc).
@@JenLefforge great point. I just feel cheated many times haha which is my own fault for going direct haha I'm in the car business. I sell both used and new. When someone buys used and expects "new car" quality, I have to speak sense into them and let them know that those expectations are unrealistic, hence the lower price and thousands you save. The thing that makes a new car a new car is it being brand NEW and the very best warranties and sometimes (in toyotas case) FREE MAINTENANCE for two years! If you buy a used Toyota, you still get a quality vehicle most times, however, buying new minimizes the need for repairs and head aches and such. That's how I see it. But I agree with you about the real estate analogy! Lol sorry that was long! Thanks for the reply!!! Keep up the awesome work!
If you buy a contract direct and another via resale, do the resale points get added to your direct points to use? If you buy a different resort resale how do you book using all your points, or is that not possible? I guess I would like to hear how you manage your points from both your direct contract and your resale contract. I am trying to decide which route to take first because I feel like having two home resorts will give us more options. Like OKW and Vero. Just not sure how to jump in. You have such great insight!
If you have two different home resorts, they are treated like two different contracts unless you have the same use year and even then you cannot combine them until the 7 month mark. If that sounds confusing it's because it is!!
@@JenLefforge I appreciate your reply! This is confusing, but helpful! So if you go over your points booking at one resort buying at the 7 month mark you can then dip into your other contracts points?
@@dummyswife1 Um, not exactly. My point was you can't combine the points and just use them all at the 11 month booking window - each resort has it's own dates for booking. Good luck as you research!
Nice info, Jen. Purchased my resale in 2014 and not really sure exactly what my perks are! Doesn’t matter too much as I feel like you re most perks I’d never use.
Why Disney doesn’t treat you are a secondhand citizen when purchasing: whether purchasing direct or resale, your money ends up in Disney’s pocket either way. They are going to treat you like first class because you are paying to be treated first class. Also, considering the reflections DVC is currently on hold due to the great unpleasentness, do you think Disney will be flexible for Riviera DVC members on booking at legacy resorts?
Good video, I appreciate the level of detail that you reviewed. I do, however, have 2 questions. 1.) Example, if you have 150 DVC points direct from Disney and 50 DVC points from the resale market and you book a stay for a total of 200 points, is that stay considered "from Disney direct" or not - for things like dining and shopping discounts, etc. 2.) If you don't have an annual pass and book a stay with DVC points, are you able to buy park passes at the same value as when you bundle a hotel room and park passes or a similar discount, or are you paying full price for park tickets? Park tickets on a hotel/park pass bundle are a good value, example - my last trip was 10 days, the park pass component was approximately $55 per day. Thanks Jen!
Timothy great questions! Combination of points used makes no difference- you have the perks regardless of which points you use for that trip. And when you stay DVC you don’t qualify for any other ticket discounts like you would with a package so the only way to save money on your park admission is to buy the Gold pass that’s the one only DVC members and FL residents can buy
I’m sorry I’m not sure! There’s no fee to park at the resorts but I believe it’s only free at the parks with an annual pass or when staying in property?
@@JenLefforge I'm not sold on the pink, but the gold looks opulent. Also I don't like the color contrast on the front side between the grey and pink, but the rear looks nice. I'm trying to be open to the change, even though my first thought was gag lol. I guess when I see it in person I'll decide
I've been there (although we stayed at the Marriott next door) and although it's beautiful, Oahu is not my favorite of the Hawaiian islands so most likely wouldn't stay there. But yes, once we are free to travel again, I am definitely heading back to Hawaii as soon as possible! (Kauai is my favorite)
Just so you know... I bought DVC on resale. It took months to get through the process. I've been getting lots of messages from DVC now. They want me to auto pay my monthly membership dues... but WAIT!!! I never got my member ID. I emailed DVC member services 3 times now. It's been 10 days and they never answered my 1st email, so when you say resale purchase is not 2nd rate, think again. My personal experience is awful. RESALE MEMBERS ARE LAST IN THE LIST AND DON'T EVEN GET A RESPONSE TO EMAILED QUESTIONS. I also called and they just refused to give me any information on my member ID. All I was told is... yes you're in our system, we can't give you a member ID #. Gosh what a mistake as a first DVC purchase.
Hi there, I’m looking to buy dvc for our family and I’m really leaning towards resale because of price per point which is the most important thing to us, only “dvc direct benefit “ we care about is the totw lounge and Epcot lounge. Now in 2022 do you know if these are available for use per resale membership? Thanks!
Hi Jen (and if anybody else wants to respond...) - We have 200 pits at Copper Creek and we are looking to add on via secondary mkt. What issues would you find if we add, say, 50 points at same resort? It won’t affect our benefits much if we commingle direct points with resale points in the same trip, correct?
Thanks for making it so clear! Great video! If I rent points for one stay. Say I rent 120 points for the boardwalk from someone through David’s for a one time stay. Can I go up to the Bay lake tower lounge?
In my experience renting points at Aulani, we could not get any member benefits unless we showed a DVC card. So I doubt you would be able to get into the lounge.
Starting to research buying DVC and this video has been very helpful! One thing I do not understand is how to use the hybrid points. If they both have the same use year of Aug and I purchase 150 direct for AK and 100 resale at POLY - how do I combine them when booking? If I’m booking Poly I can only use my 100 pts 11 months out, do I have to wait to add my 150 AK points at 7months? I have read on DIS boards that you should make sure you purchase enough points at each hotel to cover your stay, but that doesn’t make sense for people that have 50 pt contracts. I feel like I am missing something.....
I think you get it - you can only combine the points at the 7 month mark. And yes if you’re hoping to take advantage of the home resort advantage you’d need to have enough points for your stay at one resort. Or every other year and alternate between home resorts.
Very informative and helpful. New Subscribers here! Question: We booked at Saratoga Springs using RCI Points (non-Disney) for one week in August. Will staying in DVC on RCI Points give us access to Top of the World? Or is that exclusive to DVC Owners (direct or indirect). We stayed at Boardwalk Villas in February and now trying a 1 bedroom villa at Saratoga Springs and thinking about a possible re-sale purchase of points.
Yes!!!! but to get the 10% off merchandise, the purchase must be at least 50$ or more. Also, we used to get 10% off all dinning but now its just select restaurants.
Do you choose which points you want to use (direct vs. resale) when you book? In other words, could you have perks available on one trip but not another based on which points you use?
Yes, you can combine the points, and yes, you have all the perks no matter which points you are using as long as you have the blue membership card (because you have at least 100 points that you purchased direct OR purchased resale prior to the restrictions)
Hey Jen! I do always find these interesting, even though I am not a DVC owner. But I am curious; if you make a reservation for an extended stay- or a resort that costs more points... so your next vacation is going to cost 210 points. Half of your points are direct and half are resale. First- are you able to even do that on one stay? If yes- do you get all the perks during that stay because half were direct?
Great question, Teri! If you own points you purchased direct from Disney, you get to use ALL your perks no matter what combination of points you're using for that individual trip. Hope that makes sense?
Hey Jen, you said you can’t use resale points to book a cruise...can you still go on the DVC member cruise (not using points) even if your contract is resale?
I believe there is a discount for CA parks as well but I’m honestly not sure? There wasn’t one for the DL annual pass I purchased but there may be for others??
I think buying resale would be the way to go for me. I don’t actually live near Orlando or go to Disney more than once a year, so the AP wouldn’t be worth it. I agree that the amount of money saved far outweighs the discounts. Overall, I do enjoy saving money 😁
Kinda of surprising on some of these quite honestly, especially all of the discounts you don’t get. That totally makes sense about Riviera though. Would you rent points to stay there? We’d love to stay there though one day!
Sorry I'm blowing up your comments section lol, I'm curious how much a person should expect to pay in dues each year and what your experience has been with increases each year in those costs, and if you have a point in which you'd say this is no longer worth it?
Ashlie, I’ve had 2 different contracts since 2000...one through Disney and the other resale. Dues are around $1000/year based on 165 points. But each resort is different. Just google and you can find historical prices and what each resort is presently assessing dues/point. The more points you buy, the more dues you pay.
I bought resale because it just wasn't worth the extra money I'd have to pay to get those points directly from Disney. It would have been faster to buy direct, but I'll take the waiting to save almost $15k.
Hi Jen! Random question here haha! Have you taken a test to see what enneagram number you are? I'd love to watch a video of you explaining your number if you know it. BTW I'm addicted to your videos! Thanks for all the helpful info!
This video was made in 2019 and there have been significant changes to the resale restrictions including changes to who can access the Top of The World Lounge. I am working on an updated video but for the most part the information here still holds true just with some additions. Thanks for watching!
We are looking to purchasing a minimum of 400 points at Grand Floridian. Trying to weigh out whether to buy direct or break it up into part direct-part resale. An updated video would be extremely helpful!
@@WifeDesignLife It will be up after I get back from my cruise, Tiffany, hopefully by mid-September! But I would DEFINITELY break it up because if you ever decide to sell a 400 point contract will be tough. Disney can also do this for you direct with no problem (2, 200 point contracts instead of one 400 point one)
Can't thank you enough for all of your transparency and information on these DVC videos. Over a year ago when we started researching DVC seriously, yours were the only videos that gave any real/understandable information. Thanks to the amazing deals hitting the market right now we are officially in ROFR at Boardwalk on our very first contract!
Oh my goodness, Lindsey, that’s amazing!! Good luck!!
We are weighing all the pros and cons. After watching your videos, resale is the way to go for us! Thank you for all the great information.
You are the nicest person talking about DVC on UA-cam!
What a nice compliment, Cain, thank you!
I agree with you that the perks don't outweigh the extra costs. Resale all the way! I'm not the least bit interested in Riviera lol
I had to give you a quick shout out! Thank for all your informative videos on DVC I have watched over the years we just bought our first contract today on the resale market, I was blessed to find an OKW with the 2057 extention 😁
Oh how lovely and WELCOME HOME!
For us, buying direct for our first contract was important because of being able to buy the annual Gold pass at Florida rates. We book 2-4 times a year and this cost for a family of 4 or 5 has paid off over the years. I would consider buying resale on future contracts because you’ve explained it well it takes some of the fear out of it.
Totally makes sense, Susan! And glad I can make resale feel less scary that’s always my hope!
Jen Lefforge i originally thought my resale would be Riviera but not now!!! Lol. I can use my AKL contract for those stays . 😂
The gold pass is why we have our first (and only for now) contract direct.
Our next contract will be resale. Have to stay at the rest. We have stayed at Poly (home), animal kingdom lodge both Jambo and Kidani and Saratoga so far. We are staying at bay lake next week. Also I think the whole world needs to listen to your advice right now jen. We need to make our decisions based on facts and not on feelings. Thank you so much for the great content. It’s very helpful that you talk about the differences versus just putting the image up on the screen (makes me feel included as a visually impaired subscriber). Be safe
Oh I’m so glad to hear that!! I always aim for full accessibility whenever possible!
Great video! We bought DVC resale in 2014 so we fell in the lucky middle perks wise. We can’t use points for concierge/ABD/cruise but we do get discounts and other perks. Because we go only every other year we don’t have annual passes. We have done Moonlight Magic events at Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom. We did have the park to ourselves feel (perhaps because there were more attractions at those parks to absorb the people?) and for our family of 7 those events were really an $800+ value!
Yes, I've heard good things about the other moonlight magic events so definitely will have to give one a try! I mean, assuming they come back!
Jen Lefforge I really hope they do!
Thank you for voting yourself into the Office haha :) I love how you make these DVC videos. You are honest about it all and you try to make it as easy and clear for us as possible. Eventhough I am not in the market to buy DVC (just because I financially can't at the moment), I have always been intrigued by it. And I want to know more about it. But every time I looked up information about DVC I just gave up basically because it is SO confusing and there are so many rules and restrictions and perks and non perks and urgh... :p So when maybe someday we will be able to buy DVC points....I will watch ALL your DVC videos from the beginning so I will be perfectly informed :)
Interesting as always! Even though I know this is on the DVC website, I love hearing from someone who actually has experience with these perks and can explain what their “value” is. Hope you’re having a wonderful day!
Thanks so much, Ashlee!! And I really am - hope the same for you!!❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for the great info! I'm thinking about buying DVC, and have been debating about buying 100 points direct just to get the perks. Seeing it presented this way, resale plus an AP will get me any perks I care about. Love your positivity - I'm always happy when I see you've posted a video!
Thank you so much, Christie!! I love making them so that means a lot!
Had to insert the cruise pic with the Dooney. Love it! Also it's actually over $400 per AP now if you compare public platinum vs. DVC gold. I think that's the most valuable perk by far! Anyway happy birthday (since I'm likely to forget like a bad person)!
Most if not all of the shopping and Senses spa discounts can also be duplicated with a no-annual-fee Disney Visa credit card :)
Great point, Heather!
Thanks! I love your videos. So delightful and helpful.
I would love to see a video that talks a little bit about how to pass points to family or transitioning contracts to your kids. Thanks again
Thank you! I found you when researching DVC. It was hard to find clear, relatable info on DVC from “regular people!”
Even now as a member, I’m still learning and really appreciate your videos!
That riviera part is a bummer. BUT i feel like that will be lifted in 5-10 years because they'll be building or revamping something new and then they'll loosen the Riviera restrictions...so imagine if you got a better deal on riviera today and then 10 years from now, that restriction was lifted and you wanted to sell your contract. It could suddenly be a huge increase in value. The problem for me is that they aren't giving enough of a discount for this near term restriction.
Thank you Jen this was so helpful. I have been a member since 1994 and I own 4 resorts 3 bought from Disney & 1 a resale. I learn something from you every video !!!! I tell my husband what you say by starting with my friend Jen from Disney lol. Keep them coming!!!
Thank you so much, Lisa!
Thank you for all the time and information you put into your videos! They have helped tremendously when considering if DVC was right for our family. Disney just passed on ROFR and we are now waiting to close on our first contract at AKL!
Oh my goodness, how exciting! Happy Almost Welcome Home, Pinckard Family!
"I became the DVC good I wanted to see in the world..." 🤣 Brilliant!
I'm hoping Gandhi will forgive me for ripping him off . . . .😂
The art of originality is concealing your sources 😉
Clearly the UA-cam algorithm has determined I will suffer through long ads for Jen and now gives me mini movies before I get to watch the video!!! And then 2 minutes in, they gave me another set of long ads. I hope you feel the love when I watch that weird prescription medication ad for you. I've never really considered buying DVC direct from Disney, it's just so much more expensive and doesn't really work for the way my family vacations. The ONE resort that might change my mind on that is the Disneyland tower. We'll see...
I have never been to Disney World, I have no intention of every buying DVC, but for some reason I love hearing people talk about it 😂
I’m more than happy to oblige that Sarah!🤣❤️❤️❤️
Jen Lefforge who doesn’t love talking about a great deal!? 😄😄 And Disney!
Me too Sarah!!
I absolutely agree that the perks do not outweigh the benefits of saving large amounts of money on the resale market.
Spot on your information! 👍 We are a direct DVC Member since 1998 and also tried to buy a resale contract but didn't pass ROFR.🙁 Thanks for sharing 😍
I'm nervous about our contract! The waiting is hard.
Disney has not bought a contract back since March. Unless you got the deal of the century I would not worry. I just paid $135 pp for CCV.
Thanks for the info, Jen!
Thanks for another great DVC video! I was thinking about why people would be confused over the top of the world access and thought maybe they are mixing it up with the dvc Epcot lounge? I started with resale and I couldn’t get into that lounge until I purchased my direct contract. Obviously the ‘free’ (or included haha) soda was not the reason we bought direct but it was nice to use on a hot day!
So weirdly the Epcot lounge wasn’t mentioned on that list? Hmmmmm
Love your videos!!! New DVC member over here!
Yes you really really are!!!🤣❤️
Jen Lefforge well we are just going to have to meet at the Top of the World.
We just got a 240 point contract at BLT and for that, going resale definitely made sense. I’d never get so many direct. But we are considering a 100 point direct contract. Yes it will be thousands more but we are very carefully crunching the numbers for the gold annual passes and seeing if that makes it worth it. We know it’s not a guarantee that they will always be a perk but it wouldn’t take too long to break even and then start saving money with a family all getting gold annual passes. We figure we’d be paying extra up front but then the annual pass costs will be a bit easier to swallow every year 😂
Becca I LOVE my gold pass and it was definitely a consideration for us!
For most people the only perks that worth it are staying in future resorts and the speed of the process. Is worth it for a family of five to get passes if they go more than once a year. Similar situation for dining and merchandise, how much and how often makes the difference in this discussion.
And even TIW, are the savings for the life of the contract worth the extra?
Good stuff Jen. I used the hybrid approach. 😀👍
The theme park ticket discount is a sticking point for me. As a direct DVC member, i believe you have access to other AP options in addition to the ones that are limited to non-Florida residents, right? The gold pass? (It’s the gold pass, I just checked the website lolz). That’s big savings! But yeah, you’re right, it’s not a guarantee! This is a tough decision to make! I wish I were making it lol. Thx Jen I luv u gr8 video bye
Lol well you know how to teach me if you have questions 🤣❤️
Jen Lefforge wait ALSO I’m lovin that chart! I’m just gonna stare at it all day
It is my understanding that if you buy direct from Disney at Riviera, you can still use your points at all of the resorts. It only becomes an issue if you try to resell it. So first owner straight from Disney will still be able to use their Riviera points at Polynesian, but when they go to sell it that person can only use the Riviera. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Not wrong and I say that in the video and also added it in text at the bottom of the screen because when I edited it I wasn't sure that was 100% clear. You are correct!
Staying a future resorts is what gets me to want to buy direct (at some point). We can on our small resale contract but if we buy more it concerns me that now you can't.
Great video with lots of good information! Lots to think about when considering to buy DVC
There absolute is, Katelyn!
I've got a timeshare presentation coming up in Sedona, AZ in September. I'm thinking of bringing a DVC brochure for comparison, and after their 90 minutes is up, see how they respond to a little reverse sales tactic.
Have you done the DVC presentation? My first was in 1993 and we didn’t buy until doing another in 2000. Regret not buying in 1993 ever since. But I’ve told everyone that when Disney is done there is virtually no pressure to sign right there. Can’t say that for most timeshares.
Mention that your a DVC member to them. They will probably just give up and walk away. DVC is always ranked the best time share one can buy.
@@jackpast No, I'm not a Disney fan. I think Disney is better than most (especially purchased in 1993), as are the major hotels like Hilton, Marriott, Hyatt, etc. The real question is, if all these properties were hotels, with associated perks, and you divided your maintenance dues by your # of stays, is that a price you would be willing to pay? I've heard of Marriott owners, paying roughly $350 a night, wishing they were in the equivalent Marriott hotel next door, for $250 a night. That's not a scam like Wyndham, Diamond, Buegreen, Grandview, and Westgate. The best timeshare I've seen was private, and ran like an HOA, 2 weeks a year, opposite seasons, and unlimited RV parking, recreational access.
@@thejackalsmith7329 Yep, I've got a presentation booked for Nov 28th, with some scam 2nd rate company. I'll study up the DVC resale market for Old Key West, and come in with all the comparable numbers. Once I did a presentation with Shell Vacation Club (owned by Wyndham), and hid my real travel tendencies. She kept asking, "Do you cruise? Are you sure you've never been on a cruise ship?" Obviously they were eyeballing my FB page, before the presentation!
Where do I find the pros and cons on resale on the DVC website?
My wife and I are DVC Direct owners, and I must admit I sometimes wish we would have gone resale. However!!!
Resale is so much like buying a house and can be such a lengthy process, as well as can be full of many let downs. For my wife and I.... We are HUGE believers in paying for convenience. We see the value in buying things for the sake of convenience and we actually began going through with a resale contract and I remember thinking to myself "this is gonna take a while", plus at that time there were enough limitations through resale that my wife and I were just like "ehhh, okay, we can pay the extra for convenience".
I will add, though, I think Disney does a poor job of taking care of their Direct members. Like, we pay thousands extra and resale members get virtually identical perks. Resale members are buying a discounted and limited contract, therefore in my opinion should have a very limited accessibility to the entire membership feel. Just my opinion.
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Well, if we use the real estate analogy, that's like saying that those who don't buy new construction in a sub-division shouldn't be able to use the neighborhood pool (even thought they pay the same HOA's as everybody else). Because it's actually the dues that pay for all the things we all get to take advantage of. I'm glad you like my videos! Having purchased both resale and direct, I see both sides of that but I absolutely think everyone who pays dues should have full access to everything they're paying dues on (pools, resorts, villas, etc).
@@JenLefforge great point. I just feel cheated many times haha which is my own fault for going direct haha I'm in the car business. I sell both used and new. When someone buys used and expects "new car" quality, I have to speak sense into them and let them know that those expectations are unrealistic, hence the lower price and thousands you save. The thing that makes a new car a new car is it being brand NEW and the very best warranties and sometimes (in toyotas case) FREE MAINTENANCE for two years! If you buy a used Toyota, you still get a quality vehicle most times, however, buying new minimizes the need for repairs and head aches and such. That's how I see it. But I agree with you about the real estate analogy! Lol sorry that was long! Thanks for the reply!!!
Keep up the awesome work!
I'm not in the market for DVC but I am here to say that I love that dress on you!
Thanks, Ruth! It's one of my favorites!
Great research. 😘❤️
Thanks, Major! You know me and my research.🤣🤣❤️
Sorely tempted, good thing for our bank accounts that I haven’t been able to find any Saratoga springs November use year.
Christina H there are no November use years, right?
jackpast you’re right, I had a brain lapse.
Christina H I wonder why all months aren’t used?
If you buy a contract direct and another via resale, do the resale points get added to your direct points to use? If you buy a different resort resale how do you book using all your points, or is that not possible? I guess I would like to hear how you manage your points from both your direct contract and your resale contract. I am trying to decide which route to take first because I feel like having two home resorts will give us more options. Like OKW and Vero. Just not sure how to jump in. You have such great insight!
If you have two different home resorts, they are treated like two different contracts unless you have the same use year and even then you cannot combine them until the 7 month mark. If that sounds confusing it's because it is!!
@@JenLefforge I appreciate your reply! This is confusing, but helpful! So if you go over your points booking at one resort buying at the 7 month mark you can then dip into your other contracts points?
@@dummyswife1 Um, not exactly. My point was you can't combine the points and just use them all at the 11 month booking window - each resort has it's own dates for booking. Good luck as you research!
@@JenLefforge thank you!
You forgot about the DVC lounge in Epcot. It is not accessible to resale buyers. Nice place to cool down and have some soda.
I purposefully didn’t because at the time of filming it was not listed on the DVC website. And yes I’ve been there many times! Love it!
Nice info, Jen. Purchased my resale in 2014 and not really sure exactly what my perks are! Doesn’t matter too much as I feel like you re most perks I’d never use.
Completely agree, Jack!!
Why Disney doesn’t treat you are a secondhand citizen when purchasing: whether purchasing direct or resale, your money ends up in Disney’s pocket either way. They are going to treat you like first class because you are paying to be treated first class. Also, considering the reflections DVC is currently on hold due to the great unpleasentness, do you think Disney will be flexible for Riviera DVC members on booking at legacy resorts?
100%
Definitely not in a financial situation to buy dvc. But love learning so much from you.
This was perfect for me!! You've convinced me!!
Do you have the link to that comparison benefits page for Disney Vacation Club?
Good video, I appreciate the level of detail that you reviewed. I do, however, have 2 questions. 1.) Example, if you have 150 DVC points direct from Disney and 50 DVC points from the resale market and you book a stay for a total of 200 points, is that stay considered "from Disney direct" or not - for things like dining and shopping discounts, etc. 2.) If you don't have an annual pass and book a stay with DVC points, are you able to buy park passes at the same value as when you bundle a hotel room and park passes or a similar discount, or are you paying full price for park tickets? Park tickets on a hotel/park pass bundle are a good value, example - my last trip was 10 days, the park pass component was approximately $55 per day. Thanks Jen!
Timothy great questions! Combination of points used makes no difference- you have the perks regardless of which points you use for that trip. And when you stay DVC you don’t qualify for any other ticket discounts like you would with a package so the only way to save money on your park admission is to buy the Gold pass that’s the one only DVC members and FL residents can buy
Have you done any videos on best way to purchase resale DVC?
You are better of renting your points and using that $ to pay for the cruise or a hotel room. You can rent your points between $15 - 18.
Wow incredible information, thank you! Do you happen to know how many people you are allowed to bring up to Top of The World Lounge?
I don’t! Sorry.
Great video Jen. Very informative and unbiased. We're in the market for a resale contract, so it is exciting times in the Edwards' household lol 😂
It really is exciting!
Hi Jen , do you know if the parking is free at Disney parks if you’re a DVC member purchased via the resale market
Thanks Graham
I’m sorry I’m not sure! There’s no fee to park at the resorts but I believe it’s only free at the parks with an annual pass or when staying in property?
Jen what are your thoughts on the new paint job at MK?
I haven’t seen it in person so I’m trying to reserve judgement? Online it looks too pink to me!
@@JenLefforge I'm not sold on the pink, but the gold looks opulent. Also I don't like the color contrast on the front side between the grey and pink, but the rear looks nice. I'm trying to be open to the change, even though my first thought was gag lol. I guess when I see it in person I'll decide
Jen, would you use your points to go to Aulani? If so, and if/when the great unpleasantness has a vaccine, will you be going to Aulani?
I've been there (although we stayed at the Marriott next door) and although it's beautiful, Oahu is not my favorite of the Hawaiian islands so most likely wouldn't stay there. But yes, once we are free to travel again, I am definitely heading back to Hawaii as soon as possible! (Kauai is my favorite)
Just so you know... I bought DVC on resale. It took months to get through the process. I've been getting lots of messages from DVC now. They want me to auto pay my monthly membership dues... but WAIT!!! I never got my member ID. I emailed DVC member services 3 times now. It's been 10 days and they never answered my 1st email, so when you say resale purchase is not 2nd rate, think again. My personal experience is awful. RESALE MEMBERS ARE LAST IN THE LIST AND DON'T EVEN GET A RESPONSE TO EMAILED QUESTIONS. I also called and they just refused to give me any information on my member ID. All I was told is... yes you're in our system, we can't give you a member ID #. Gosh what a mistake as a first DVC purchase.
Well if it helps people who bought direct are getting that exact same level of customer service right now. It’s been awful.
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Thank you! I knew it did something....🤣🤣
This is great information! Thank you!
My pleasure!!!❤️❤️
Hi there, I’m looking to buy dvc for our family and I’m really leaning towards resale because of price per point which is the most important thing to us, only “dvc direct benefit “ we care about is the totw lounge and Epcot lounge. Now in 2022 do you know if these are available for use per resale membership? Thanks!
Hi Jen (and if anybody else wants to respond...) - We have 200 pits at Copper Creek and we are looking to add on via secondary mkt. What issues would you find if we add, say, 50 points at same resort? It won’t affect our benefits much if we commingle direct points with resale points in the same trip, correct?
Correct. You will receive all the perks and benefits no matter which points you are using for a particular stay!
Can we go to the Aulani Hawaii resort?
As a resale buyer? Oh yes absolutely.
Thanks for making it so clear! Great video! If I rent points for one stay. Say I rent 120 points for the boardwalk from someone through David’s for a one time stay. Can I go up to the Bay lake tower lounge?
I believe the answer is yes but since I've never tried to do it, not 100% sure. I'm sure David's could answer this for you.
In my experience renting points at Aulani, we could not get any member benefits unless we showed a DVC card. So I doubt you would be able to get into the lounge.
Starting to research buying DVC and this video has been very helpful! One thing I do not understand is how to use the hybrid points. If they both have the same use year of Aug and I purchase 150 direct for AK and 100 resale at POLY - how do I combine them when booking? If I’m booking Poly I can only use my 100 pts 11 months out, do I have to wait to add my 150 AK points at 7months? I have read on DIS boards that you should make sure you purchase enough points at each hotel to cover your stay, but that doesn’t make sense for people that have 50 pt contracts. I feel like I am missing something.....
I think you get it - you can only combine the points at the 7 month mark. And yes if you’re hoping to take advantage of the home resort advantage you’d need to have enough points for your stay at one resort. Or every other year and alternate between home resorts.
Do you know if as a foreigner without being a US citizen living in Mexico, I can buy resale contracts?
Very informative and helpful. New Subscribers here! Question: We booked at Saratoga Springs using RCI Points (non-Disney) for one week in August. Will staying in DVC on RCI Points give us access to Top of the World? Or is that exclusive to DVC Owners (direct or indirect). We stayed at Boardwalk Villas in February and now trying a 1 bedroom villa at Saratoga Springs and thinking about a possible re-sale purchase of points.
I saved over $25K on my Copper Creek contract last month buying resale. We would never save that over the years because we won't be buying APs.
This has to be a 500-600 point contract
@@levimachado 300 points.
You can also get a Disney Chase card and get discounts. 😊
Great point!
Yes!!!! but to get the 10% off merchandise, the purchase must be at least 50$ or more. Also, we used to get 10% off all dinning but now its just select restaurants.
Now that the Star Wars hotel opens soon, do you think this will be DVC eligible or a DVC property?
No, it definitely won't be. But that would be nice!
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We bought direct from Disney but if we ever add on we will look at resale. Thanks for another great video!
My pleasure, Lisa!
Can Disney Visa Rewards still be used to pay annual dues on resale contracts?
Yes they can.
Can you use resale points to stay at Aulani?
You absolutely can!
Do you choose which points you want to use (direct vs. resale) when you book? In other words, could you have perks available on one trip but not another based on which points you use?
Yes, you can combine the points, and yes, you have all the perks no matter which points you are using as long as you have the blue membership card (because you have at least 100 points that you purchased direct OR purchased resale prior to the restrictions)
Ah. Ok. Thank you.
Hey Jen! I do always find these interesting, even though I am not a DVC owner. But I am curious; if you make a reservation for an extended stay- or a resort that costs more points... so your next vacation is going to cost 210 points. Half of your points are direct and half are resale. First- are you able to even do that on one stay? If yes- do you get all the perks during that stay because half were direct?
Great question, Teri! If you own points you purchased direct from Disney, you get to use ALL your perks no matter what combination of points you're using for that individual trip. Hope that makes sense?
@@JenLefforge yes, that's good! Thanks Jen!
Hey Jen, you said you can’t use resale points to book a cruise...can you still go on the DVC member cruise (not using points) even if your contract is resale?
I am honestly not sure but I THINK you can? You'd have to check with member services to be sure.
That $12k I saved going resale makes me not miss that blue card in the least.
Seriously it’s amazing the disappointment I can learn to live with for 12,000 dollars.....🤣🤣🤣❤️
Do you know if DVC members who purchase direct can buy an AP for Disneyland California, or is it just for the parks in Orlando?
I believe there is a discount for CA parks as well but I’m honestly not sure? There wasn’t one for the DL annual pass I purchased but there may be for others??
I think buying resale would be the way to go for me. I don’t actually live near Orlando or go to Disney more than once a year, so the AP wouldn’t be worth it. I agree that the amount of money saved far outweighs the discounts. Overall, I do enjoy saving money 😁
Kinda of surprising on some of these quite honestly, especially all of the discounts you don’t get. That totally makes sense about Riviera though. Would you rent points to stay there? We’d love to stay there though one day!
Thank you Jen for the video. I’m still confused though, is Tables and Wonderland available for resale DVC members ? Without purchasing an annual pass?
I do not know the answer to that! Great question!
To my knowledge the only people that can purchase table and wonderland is annual pass holders and the blue DVC card holders.
Pamela A. Cobb Thank you. A follow up question if you are willing, are AP for resale DVC eligible for the Gold pass or Platinum only?
You only get a discount on gold passes, you will pay full price for platinum passes but they have NO BLOCK dates.
If you buy DVC resale in the beginning and then buy from Disney later do you get the perks?
Yes as long as you buy at least 150 points direct.
Sorry I'm blowing up your comments section lol, I'm curious how much a person should expect to pay in dues each year and what your experience has been with increases each year in those costs, and if you have a point in which you'd say this is no longer worth it?
Ashlie, I’ve had 2 different contracts since 2000...one through Disney and the other resale. Dues are around $1000/year based on 165 points. But each resort is different. Just google and you can find historical prices and what each resort is presently assessing dues/point. The more points you buy, the more dues you pay.
What Jack said!
I bought resale because it just wasn't worth the extra money I'd have to pay to get those points directly from Disney. It would have been faster to buy direct, but I'll take the waiting to save almost $15k.
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Hi Jen! Random question here haha! Have you taken a test to see what enneagram number you are? I'd love to watch a video of you explaining your number if you know it. BTW I'm addicted to your videos! Thanks for all the helpful info!
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Nope!
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Lol thanks, Matt!!! Always interested to know what the ads are!
@@JenLefforge it's always so random! And also great video!
You're not the DVC Fairy Godmother? :)
what is the minimum of points direct these days? I agree RESALE is awesome!
its now 100
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