Some Thoughts on Gus Johnson
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- I hope Sabrina finds her peace. She deserves it above all else, and I'm glad she seems much better now. I also very much miss the podcast and I hope Eddy goes on some other shows because I could listen to him talk for hours. Boys support boys.
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The fact that he apologized more sincerely to the people he worked with than to Sabrina says who his is and what he really cares about. I’m so disappointed in a creator that brought me so much joy. Sabrina deserved better.
she did. a million percent she did
@@oneshot8109 From what I’ve seen of issue on UA-cam, I think rather than this being a “cancel army” this is an accountability army.
I think Sabrina came forward and told a story about a horrible, eye opening, medical experience she went through. Discussing the emotional turmoil she was going through at the time and those who didn’t help that emotional turmoil, is a part of her story.
As for a better apology, I think Gus could’ve apologized to Sabrina in a sincere way and he could’ve apologize for letting down his audience, but given his ‘apology’ he doesn’t seem sincerely sorry about any of it, and that’s why people are criticizing him. He seem sorry about losing his connections and his career, not for how he treated Sabrina. He didn’t need to add the part about apologizing to people he worked with. The people he worked with had nothing to do with how he treated Sabrina.
Also, just because Sabrina won’t accept his apology, dose not negate the fact he should apologize to her for emotionally abusing her.
I think people hearing her story, seeing his reaction, and changing their opinions of Gus is not canceling him, it’s his audience rejecting horrible behavior.
@Daphne Groth what does accountability mean to you? Gus has lost his best friend and business partner, a huge source of income, his tour is ruined, no one is going to work with him, he has no chance of doing any sort of acting work, the "drinking with the boys" comment is everywhere anytime he makes any sort of post.
Clearly a large portion of his former audience either hates Gus, or like me, just can't buy into his persona anymore, so he's not going to be as popular as he once was unless he makes some huge changes to his style or just drops comedy entirely (which I doubt, it seems like being funny is all he knows).
I understand he may not deserve to, but he is allowed to work and try to return things to normal for himself. You are also allowed to shit on him for trying because you have no obligation to trust him or believe that he actually regrets anything. But you are fixating so much on the most cynical ways to interpret his apology. Why is there no reason to apologize to his collaborators? They got sucked into this drama too right? Maybe he was just sincerely sorry for putting them in this position where they had to do their own damage control. You keep saying he should directly apologize to Sabrina but to what end? The major issues happened like 3 years ago, and then they didn't even break up immediately after. So they must have found some sort of reconciliation in that time right? What I mean is, even though he didn't say it publicly, how could you think he didn't already apologize to her for all of this, not only when it happened, but at any other point where they talked about this in private. Look at this from his perspective, an ex gf starts to publicly release deeply private details of your life, calls you a liar when you apologize, liking tweets that shit on you, calls you a liar again, backtracks and says technically it wasn't therapy and reveals another private conversation about polygamy. In what world do you live in where you think that guy should directly address this ex gf in any way ever again.
@@oneshot8109 the things you are mentioning are things that have happened *to* Gus, not things Gus has done to take accountability. Or even make efforts to show change. At the very least he should aim for behaviour that is good during a shitty time, or unquestionably reasonable.
None of what Gus has done has taken responsibility himself- that’s the important thing.
@@oneshot8109 Hey bro you wanna know what's funny about people shitting on Gus' apology is that Sabrina had an ad in her video. I kid you not I burst out laughing when it came up lol. She literally profited off of her trauma video. I don't mind her grieving over her traumatic experience or explaining it from her POV but jesus that was funny. She also put in some background suspenseful music which had me dying. She edited it in so it had me rolling. Go rewatch it idk why she would put the suspenseful music in. I thought I was watching a movie for a sec.
Ectopic pregnancies are so incredibly serious and life threatening. My mother nearly died from one. A quick Google would have shown Gus how serious it was for Sabrina. The fact he didn't want to get off his ass and go to the hospital for her really tells me all I need to know about his character.
Also the character of the medical staff.
I literally could not imagine telling a partner I was going to the hospital and them not dropping everything. Hell even my brief acquaintances would drop a hang out if I directly messaged them that I was in the hospital.
@@kells4315 I was just thinking this! I’ve been worried over way less so if anyone I knew was going through an ectopic pregnancy, much less my *partner*, I wouldn’t be able to focus on anything else. It’s genuinely so disturbing to think that he was able to dismiss his own partner and their unborn child like that.
It just sucks so much worse because of how he branded himself as such a morally upright and wholesome guy. It almost made me worried for the truth of Eddy since he branded himself similarly, but I think his willingness to completely cut ties with someone who was such a close friend shows that Eddy actually is genuine in his beliefs
The fact that he cut ties with Gus speaks volumes, I have never once seen a friend break up a friendship over how abusive that person was in their last relationship. People usually justify it by saying it’s not their business and they don’t want to be involved in the “drama” (lol). What Eddy did was actually legitimately uncommon and difficult, so if nothing else he has better ethics than most men I know.
Or it could just be that he didn't want to take any risk of getting negatively affected by his close association with him and it was preemptive damage control. Not saying I believe this, I know very little about these people, my issue is people having this expectation of celebrities and "content creators" to be 100% genuine. They're providing entertainment, they're not your friends, you don't actually know who they are in private no matter how convincingly genuine they are. If people don't start examining the weight and importance their parasocial relationships with complete strangers have they're just gonna keep getting into this situation of feeling disappointed and betrayed.
@Anno Sterner Allén well yeah, that was exactly my point though. That we CAN'T know whether Eddy is also just completely faking his image, because they can just say whatever they want to save face. However, there are other ways he could've gone about this situation to come out looking good even without cutting Gus off (like saying he was going to stick around to help educate him, or he's taking a break from the friendship without ending it, etc). So I choose to believe his reaction is a good sign. It's reasonable to hope that people are not duplicitous liars just out to save their image.
It's impossible to have zero expectations of people, parasocial relationship or not. If you choose not to engage with explicitly harmful creators, you are implicitly saying that you do trust (to some extent) the creaters you DO engage with. It's not a wildly high bar to expect people to not be actual abusers or terrible people. Sure if he just had a fight with a friend and people got mad that he was even mildly imperfect that'd be crazy, but he neglected his girlfriend and downplayed her pain while she was essentially potentially close to death. I don't claim to know them, but it's still surprising that he did that. It's the same way that people are shocked when terrible things come out about a teacher they had once, sure they know they knew little to nothing about their life but you still hold out hope that you can recognize bad people when you see them-- even though most times you can't.
@@BlackParade727 Yeah, I think I misinterpreted your comment a bit. It was completely reasonable, I'm just so used to people always going "okay so this one guy we thought was great turned out to be a piece of shit... Good thing this other guy is for sure completely wholesome and good and will never betray us like this", so I just kinda assumed that's what you were saying and was too quick on the trigger. Sorry about that, hope you have a nice day!
Didn’t cut ties completely they still follow each other on everything
Her video was about more than just the medical system failing women. It’s about how misogynistic culture leaves many women with no where to turn to. Other women are conditioned to dismiss feminine pain. Her own boyfriend dismissed it too. This isn’t uncommon among women and other people with uteruses even if it’s not the most common experience
I’ve definitely had more issues with female doctors dismissing my severe period pain with than male doctors unfortunately. It’s incredibly heartbreaking to have your issues dismissed because your female doctors essentially say “Well my periods aren’t that painful so you must be over exaggerating.” I exclusively seek out male doctors now because it has happened so many times with female doctors and only male doctors take my pain seriously immediately. Before those experiences I would have thought a female doctor would actually take me more seriously. It makes me really sad to see how the world has convinced women to not only dismiss their own pain, but other women’s pain too.
@@jinxfox1999 I haven't had this experience with female doctors, but back in high school and in the workplace as an adult i've DEFINITELY had that problem. I get really bad period cramps. There's nothing really wrong with my body thankfully, but theyre still pretty debilitating for the day, and when i've tried to work through them i've ended up in kind of scary situations. I tried to walk home from work (about a half hour walk) once while cramping, thinking i could muscle through, and ended up curled on the side of the road waiting for my bf to come get me. In that situation, my coworker told me she has endo so i need to suck it up. Its really sad, like there's this expectation that experiencing misogyny would give people who menstruate a reason to bond, but a lot of misogynistic culture actively pits women against each other instead
I spent almost ten years (age 16 to 26) fighting with my doctors about period pain and had been accused by friends and family of "exaggerating" my symptoms. I ended up going to planned parenthood where the doctors and nurses were so incredibly kind and understanding. After testing I was diagnosed with endometriosis.
Agreed, other women definitely can be dismissive to pain too. In high school/early college I had a friend who was always bailing on plans with our friend group because of severe cramps and we all thought she was just over exaggerating. Turned out she was eventually diagnosed with uterine cancer. 😥
And it's way more than her bf being a dick, which is what everyone is so focused on. The medical malpractice she faced is soo awful and yet her ex is the only thing people want to discuss because they feel a certain way about him having been fans of his. Who gives af, ignore him, her story is awful even without him being considered, not because of him.
Never will understand how someone could say that she was weaponizing her emotions to get back at Gus or looking for attention. The story she told was not about Gus; it was about her. I think it's a shame that the whole thing became about Gus. It's very important for women to share their stories. The minimization of pain is a very real thing that happens to a lot of women. It's important to make this known.
Men who say women are being manipulative by expressing their emotions are self reporting their own manipulative tendencies. It’s 100% projection or it’s because they hate women for being “allowed” to emote, and are so deeply repressed they don’t understand how emotions work.
Thank you!!! This story is not about him, he's a side character in this at best, and her story is horrible even if you removed him from the picture. I really dislike how many videos are about "the Gus situation"; I think you mean "Sabrina's medical malpractice situation."
Just another day of Gus' manchild fanbase refusing to face the fact that their idol is fallible by further gaslighting his ex and belittling the entire female population.
And the fact that she literally doesn’t even name him in her video…. It’s 100% HER story to tell! I can’t imagine how traumatizing this must have been for her and if people think that story was about Gus, they clearly missed the point.
She specifically liked comments and tweets that named Gus as the "ex" and later on commented on his apology, saying it wasnt acceptable (alluding to how he was playing cards instead of looking after her when she got a rhinoplasty). She also attempted to dispute gus's claim that they took therapy, which is in no way contrasting her story, for no reason whatsoever.
In short, she made it about Gus and its her fanbase that clinged on to her comments in order to make her video about Gus.
And to add, she never mentioned Gus by name. She never wanted to rope him into sharing her own experience by directly labeling the partner. Reddit did the "mystery" work and put two and two together, which she obviously never intended for people to do. And THEN Gus outed himself as being the partner with his Twitter apology. Like dude - you're trying to clear the air by letting everyone know at once that you need to publicly step away BECAUSE of it??? This could have been "handled privately" if the apology was actually meant for Sabrina and not for his audience to see he was "apologizing." Idk man, he stirred his own pot 😭
this is a good point that not a lot of people are bringing up tbh
She’s allowed to talk about her feelings!! And he’s such a narcissist he had to ruin his channel by telling everyone it was about him!
It doesn’t take the FBI to figure out it was Gus and everyone knew it was him. She also posted things suggesting she is fine with people not liking Gus for what he did. I don’t know why she didn’t name him but I think it’s completely warranted for people to not watch him after finding this out.
They sorted this out through couples therapy. It confuses me why Sabrina would make something that they spend a year sorting throw therapy public. (from what I read) Can u correct me if my timeline is wrong?
@@lilkingtrashbaby I feel like everyone already knew beforehand, like when the video came out they were already talking about it.
Really glad that you highlighted the healthcare aspect of her video. Sabrina clearly indicated that her goal to raise awareness of how isolating unwanted or unviable pregnancy can be in a culture where women and minorities are underrepresented and underacknowledged in matters of their own health and bodies. She mentions her ex boyfriends gross behavior because it is part of her story about her body and her life. All the internet drama really took us away from that point and pushed her into a "side" of a conflict that she wasn't even trying to start.
"People are only being critical of you because they liked you... and they want to continue to like you" is so well put
it was fcking traumatizing reading the comments made in other videos defending the guy. The majority didn't even come from the pov that "he was emotionally immature" or "was a crappy situation all around" but rather made unsavory comments about Sabrina being "insufferable", "betraying" his trust over the abortion thing, and that she was "weaponizing" her tears. Needless to say, they're his stans and actual misogynists, so that's what's left of his audience...
yeah, his community changed and for the worse. it's gross.
Question for you, how likely would a man be to be taken seriously if he cries with a sob story about a difficult time in his life? Even more likely to be mocked and derided. Less likely to be taken seriously. Very few people would go to war for him. And yet people immediately want to protect women when they are emotionally distraught. That’s why people are suspicious when a woman appeals to emotion, because you would have to be blind to not see how unfair it is whether Gus is a gigantic turd or not. He got canceled immediately, but never really got a chance to explain things from his perspective before the public already determined he was a monster.
and over the past 4 or 5 months, he has refuted only the fact that he and sabrina did attend some form of counseling, and even then the only discrepancy is whether or not it should be called therapy. nothing else. he's had ample time to explain himself, and he has issued public apologies, meaning he agrees he did those things.
@@harryjamesmiller the part people always miss is the extreme double bind someone is in when their audience turns against them, especially if they do (quite humanly) feel some degree of guilt for hurting the other person’s feelings. Normally, outside the view of millions of people, you would feel comfortable not only apologizing to the person for your mistakes, but also trying to reach an understanding as it goes two ways. Here in cancel land, an apology is an ADMISSION, and defending yourself or negotiating with the other person’s point of view is GASLIGHTING. It’s an impossible situation
@@shacka95
I'm sure that males making appeals to emotion when it comes down to their own tragic experiences may be met with backlash, but we would be debating over a hypothetical male.
As for the actual situation, one would have to take into account the intention of the og video: giving a personal testimony on dealing with an ectopic pregnancy, touching not only on the negative experience of the medical establishment but also how it inadvertently impacted a personal relationship which further influenced her decision making as well as her access to medical care in the first place; as one can see, the focus was not on the misbehavior of the bf himself. It was the personal actions of others lurking social media as well as Gus admitting guilt that lead to his actions being judged by the public eye.
There was no appeal to emotion coming from her in the sense of proving the argument of him being a "monster", since the format of the video was such that it only stated a line of events, not necessarily proving a point about his character.
About the cancellation part, one could see UA-camrs dissociating from him from what occurred, however those were their personal decisions so one cannot tell whether they were privy to more information or were guided by other factors like public perception or morals. And for the public's perception, his main platform, UA-cam, is still standing, meaning that he hasn't been deplatformed; with most of the criticism coming from twitter, which I don't know how that translated to UA-cam.
Personally, I believe that he has profited over his likeness (skits) and life (podcast), curating a fanbase based on a parasocial relationship in which he was perceived as both progressive and even defensor of women so it'd make sense why a part of his fans would make the personal choice to not consume his content anymore after the suspension of disbelief had been destroyed. One doesn't get to only reap the benefits of publicizing and capitalizing themselves online without backlash.
I don't think situations like these should be left private. This isn't a regular break up story. It's an emotional abuse story. Would you tell someone to keep quiet about their partner beating them up? Sabrina almost died because of this. Requesting abuse to stay a secret is just people wanting to pretend like nothing happened, because it's uncomfortable to admit that someone you used to look up to did something horrible. Abuse should always be brought to light, so that abusers are held responsible and other future potential victims are made aware.
Would I? No. But most people don’t want anyone talking about their abuse. That’s how friend groups excuse horrific shit.
@@asmrtpop2676 i don't know what you mean by this situation's a bit different than most emotional abuse situations imo. mainly because sabrina was completely isolated from people and didn't have anyone she could rely on other than gus. also because gus is a public figure that crafted a false persona for himself which he used to lie about her situation as well. at this point telling her to "keep it private" means nothing more than telling her to "stay silent".
She monetized her story and sat on it until she was struggling. I think that was glossed over by everyone and was a really gross thing to do. While Gus said and did some horrible things, I’ve been in relationships where I’ve said and done things that I wasn’t proud of. Life gets DARK at times and when you’re in a committed intimate relationship with someone some things can go down that are really bad. Not that I am defending Gus entirely here, but, I really don’t think she should have put out a video like that. EVERY story has two sides, too, and Gus got buried so he can’t even say anything to defend himself without making himself look worse. I’ve just felt conflicted about the whole thing and I don’t understand how people have been almost 100% in one corner when that’s not how life works almost ever.
@@ozge8262 well said
As an abuse survivor - thank you. I don't think people understand how important it is for us to be able to tell our story. Especially given the fact that most abusers force and/or manipulate you into silence and isolation (as Gus did to Sabrina), being able to tell your story on some level can be incredibly freeing and healing for us.
Not only that, a huge part of her story was also about how she was mistreated and neglected by the healthcare system. That's another *incredibly* important topic to discuss.
I was genuinely sad when all of this came out, Gus went to the same college as a lot of my friends did, his videos meant a lot to me, felt more personal. But I can understand when a creator shouldn't be supported. People don't seem to understand that she almost DIED?!
yeah, i think a lot of people who claim she was appealing to emotion to get people on her side forget or are ignoring that nearly dying is a crazy emotional state to live through
@@harryjamesmiller I mean Gus probably appealed to emotion too. I’ve noticed with majority of youtube apologies I’ve seen, they never fully address what they’re accused of? Or being cancelled for? I’m sure people would be stressed if their loved one was dealing with that, but I find it particularly unsettling when he seemed to make her feel bad about it 🤢
Honestly. even it i hadn't been THAT dire of a medical situation, that doesn't even change how fucked up it is to undermine someone emotionally like that (like the checking she doesn't exaggerate her symptoms in front of the nurses/doctors to make sure it's "serious enough" for him to get off his ass and drive her there). Or tearing someone down by saying any other person would have left them already.
Should someone loose their plattform completely as a consequence of that? I don't know. But if your whole public persona is built on being the wholesome supportive good boi comedy dude? Like, yeah that should throw big f-ing wrench into your career continuing as it has before. Of course people are going to reject that persona now. Can't just put that mask back on now that it's slipped so far.
Thats the saddest of all. Sabrina never got the chance to concider ever having a child, it seems like she didnt want a child AT THAT TIME but you can really sense that she would like to have kids of her own someday. Which she’s probably not gonna be able to do. The hospital wouldnt let her look into her stomach to see what what wrong until it was way too late. We’re lucky Sabrina is even alive till this day however if she ever tries to have children of her own there’s a big chance she won’t make it. As an added bonus she couldnt even tell her own mother that she might die during her surgery because Gus didn’t allow her to talk about this situation. I know Gus sucks but we gotta remember that Sabrina got genuinely hurt, physically and mentaly, we gotta focus on the fact that Sabrina was not only alienated, not helped by medical professionals, had to be in constant pain ( PROBABLY STILL IS ) but that she literally had nowhere to go. Gus was her only link and he completely mistreated her. Sabrina could have been dead and i assume had Gus not forced her to be quiet (while it sucks that women rarely get listened to in hospital, Gus couldve convinced the doctors to check on her, which might have saved her) that the both of them would have gone through the hospital process of a pregnancy with the idea of waiting till she could get an abortion. They wouldve found out about her condition while getting treated. But of course Gus is an awful person, i cannot stress this enough *SHE COULD HAVE AVOIDED THIS HAD SHE GOTTEN TREATED EARLIER, SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT DYING WHEN SHE WANTS TO HAVE KIDS LATER, YOU HAVE TAKEN AWAY A PRIMARY FUNCTION OF HER BODY AND HER CHOICE TO HAVE CHILDREN OF HER OWN AWAY* part of me is glad she talked about it online, even if she didnt mention Gus by name, i know how much it sucks when someone who abused you and hurt you gets to roam free and you constantly hear about how great they are. It’s for the best that we know of her pain
I’m someone who tends to be really cautious about parasocial relationships with creators (I’m an ex Onision fan- that expirence taught me A LOT), and I was really surprised by how much this whole situation affected me. I was so SO angry for Sabrina (which I think is warranted, as most women can understand her experience) but I was also just…crushingly disappointed by Gus. Like genuinely sad and just…well disappointed is the best word I have for it. He felt safe. He felt goofy and kind and caring, “boys support boys” and all that, and it gave me yet another big shakeup in comfort with people on the internet even though I was already being conscious about it. Just such a shitty situation and he’s such a disgusting person.
You never really know somebody especially a content creator
I’m not sure how much this matters with regard to parasocial relationships though. I don’t want us to become numb to caring about others just because we know we aren’t “close” to them. I’m not close to my parents neighbors but if she told me about them in an experience like this I’d be equally devastated for the woman and disappointed in the man. Gus and Sabrina are still real people. And Gus really did disappoint us and Sabrina’s story was devastating. I never want to stop being devastated from that kind of thing. When that happens I shouldn’t be around people, because that means my empathy is lost.
Also we are allowed, we are warranted frankly, to be pissed that Gus lied to us.
Same dude
I just saw Sabrina modeling for Jarvis’s merch and I love to see her getting opportunities and having new friends and just succeeding. She deserves so much better than what she got.
Jarvis is a great dude, him and Eddy are top tier humans.
As a person with a uterus... I so relate to being dismissed by healthcare professionals. This poor woman 😢.
i hate half assed fake "i'm becoming a better person" kind of apologies. i've been in a situation where i was being a shitty abusive person and i took months and months correcting every aspect of that so i wouldn't lose more people in my life. now, with these manipulators using the whole "i'm getting therapy and i'm sorry for what i did i was in a bad place blah blah blah" sounds like bullshit. so it's hard for people who have actually changed to have people really believe that they have. moral of the story: admit you're a bad person and what you did was shitty, don't expect forgiveness and last but not least. actually try to be better.
Yeah, apologies are supposed to be just as much for yourself as it is for the receiving person. Insincere and vague apology is worse than no apology.
thats epic mate im happy for you. its really hard to change aspects and habits of yourself and must've taken tremendous amounts of effort
A true apology is showing not telling. If the behavior hasn’t changed then it isn’t even an apology. This is why I don’t forgive people saying they’re sorry. I just wait and see if they actually changed.
@@Kimmie6772 And an apology should never expect forgiveness.
@@asmrtpop2676 Exactly. It's so easy to say you're better than to be better. People even trick their own minds into believing they're developing but in reality nothing changes. Manipulation is a deep rooted mistress :/
I remember seeing a comment in particular that said "sorry gus, I can't forgive you right now, I'm out getting drinks". It's just true to how he behaved
You pretty much spoke all of our minds. I think we’re all just done with all of this. With how articulate this was I didn’t expect you to only have like 200 subscribers. You deserve a lot more.
you're too kind :) thank you, that means a lot
Ikr, I subscribed. Keep it up!
that number has definitely changed LMAO
@@hikawagetsbitches ikr! I’m glad
the algorithm really said: “hold my beer” omg
And it’s still so sad cuz not only Gus but also he medical workers didn’t believe her. If she is crying over pain it’s clearly not just something to take Tylenol over. It’s so sad that women aren’t believed when it comes to medical issues and this is just a prime example of a woman almost dying cuz of other people’s ignorance
I don't think it was because she was a woman
@@mrscruffles801 what's your belief about it then?
@@mrscruffles801 it's absolutely because she's a woman. Don't speak over us. I've been going through this for years AND I work at a hospital where I witness medical misogyny all the time.
@@mrscruffles801 quiet ladies! a man is here to tell us that we're wrong. 🖕
I’ve personally experienced this too. I’ve had severe reproductive issues and doctors instantly just tell me to loose weight and that will solve all my problems. Like what would be so hard to do further testing? Because even. At my skinniest Ive had issues so I don’t think it’s that. They so easily dismiss me.
One time I had a molar pregnancy. The male doctor I went to told me he was refusing to treat me because my condition violated his religious beliefs because at the time I thought I was just normally pregnant. And I wasn’t married so yeah. Also I was on state health insurance so that’s called Christian sharia. I nearly died. I bled so bad I slept in the bathtub. I had to go to the ER. Because I knew they couldn’t refuse treatment. The doctors didn’t know what it was. Until they called in another doctor. She told me if I didn’t have surgery by the next morning I’d be dead in 48 hours and if I didn’t die then somehow cancer would spread throughout my body and I’d need chemo for many years. The after care was horrible. I had to do multiple blood works per week for a while. Then once a week for a while. Then once every other week. To make sure my levels where continuously going down. I was alone through all this, my abusive ex didn’t gaf.
Women get dismissed so badly in the medical world. Because we know how to tolerate so much more pain than men do. Men can be babies when it comes to pain.
This is a wonderfully measured take on the situation and I couldn't agree more. My heart is broken as a former fan of Gus' but I'm mainly heartbroken for Sabrina and what she suffered and secondarily Eddy for having to lose a friend and find out he was lied to for so long in such a public setting with everyone watching him. I hope they can take some time to heal. New subscriber BTW. 😊
thank you!
Man, people need to understand how goddamn helpless you'd feel if your life depended on the care of people who gaslight you and completely ignore your symptoms when you're in agony, and not only that, but your main source of comfort and support couldn't give two shits about supporting you in a stressful situation and gaslights you some more. Jfc I would've kicked him in the balls repeatedly.
yup. this is my whole life. and serena is so sweet. it sucks.
For sure. Can come from men or women in any position. Unfortunately a lot of parents these days.
i remember commenting and some guy saying that sabrina was trying to use crying to guilt trip the viewers. i honestly couldnt believe it? like its insane to think that a woman telling a story about how she almost died was weaponizing her emotions.
i've seen people say stuff like "she just wanted to cancel him" and it's like these people never developed critical thinking. If that's all she wanted, why didn't she name him in her video? Makes no sense.
@@helplessheroine2641 exactly! i tried to bring that up but those people just repeat themselves until you give up
@@helplessheroine2641 Not only that but what exactly does she have to gain by "destroying" gus who, at most, was a micro influencer. His entire fanbase started on reddit through r/video or r/clips (cant remember which) which as we all know is FULLLLLL of unsavory types. And I actually was subscribed to his subreddit when this all dropped... not even a day after the video was released people were dogpiling and saying it wasn't abuse, she's over dramatic, she's using it for clout, they both made mistakes, etc.... So she literally went into the making of the video knowing what a large portion of his fan base was already like. Making the video was wholly a sacrifice on her part because the gus issue is a product of his own actions. If people want to dislike him for things he actually did then it's his own damn fault
@@BubbleMousey couldnt have explained it better myself.
this is a fucked up way his fans are creating to discredit any success she has in the future. any steps she takes towards making a name in the comedy world (an infamously hard community to become notable in!) to his fans will have been off the back of abuse allegations, despite her doing everything to make it about HER, not him.
It's such a stupid position to take. You have to tell the story of your horrific near-death experience with zero emotional expression, I guess? Otherwise your'e being "manipulative"? It makes no sense and the people who say it don't even really believe it themselves. They just grasp at any straw they can to try and invalidate a truth that makes them uncomfortable. I'm sure if she hadn't cried or seemed emotional at all, some of those same people would point to THAT as evidence that she wasn't telling the truth or her experience wasn't really that painful. It's a no-win situation when you're dealing with people who already don't want to believe you.
This happens very often to women. Our pain is not taken seriously. It's also important to note that this happens more frequently to certain groups of people: black woman, indigenous woman, overweight woman, woman with history of mental illness, poor women for example. Of course to varying extents. It's truly traumatic and often dangerous. I'm glad Sabrina talked about her experience. Also this is small and a huge change in topic but it makes me happy you put 'boys support boys' in the description. It may seem odd as a woman. But I think men deserve the same sense of camaraderie and unity that women have, and it's nice to see that happen in a way that doesn't revolve around hating or judging women, even if it's such a small phrase. Anyway you seem like a swell guy so i will like this video
Wrong. You hate men.
@@cartoonhanks1708 braindead take.
@@dakotan.2610 He immediately proved her point though.
@@cartoonhanks1708 , "I think men deserve the same sense of camaraderie and unity that women have."
"you seem like a swell guy."
The only person full of hate is you, bruh.
I have several vulvovaginal and pelvic pain conditions (vestibulodynia, vaginismus, pelvic floor myalgia), and it took many years and many doctors to get accurate diagnoses and treatment that helped.
Research shows that this is the typical experience and not the exception, unfortunately.
More research funding, less stigma please.
Boys support boys means holding your boys accountable when they act horribly.
Shit this video is great; you presented yourself well and the subject appropriately and I couldn't believe you had less than 1 thousand subscribers. Happy to be number 796!
Absolutely. Gus should've handled things much better.
But we gotta hold Sabrina accountable for how poorly she handled the situation and what she put him through.
This sounds exactly identical to my story, right down to the surgery and the boyfriend who wasn't there for me. This is so upsetting to hear and to realize how much we go through. I ended up having emergency surgery after my organs were failing from an ectopic pregnancy. I had been having symptoms for over a month and no one listened.
I'm sorry you went through that. I know that a dumb 20 year old won't be able to even come close to helping that pain. But I hope you know that I and many others are listening now. I didn't even know that this was an issue (privilege of not being born a women) and now completely shocked that it is. Please keep going, and I really hope you've found someone who actually... You know... Cares (REALLY shouldn't be hard but people are just fucking cunts). Please have a good day/night
Nobody cares about you. You don't deserve care.
@@WillToNihilsm can you go sulk somewhere else? It'd be cool and spooky if you typed that under a horror video. Here it's just depressing.
@@Kimmie6772 lmfao bro lmfao. You Americans are so entitled. Everything should be perfect for you eh? Everyone should put you first? Take care of your damn self
@@WillToNihilsm how do you know if I'm American?
Edit: seriously though, that first reply sounds like a cry for help.
Also when I think it was rhinoplasty Sabrina got, while she was in immense pain and in need of Gus' help, what was he doing? Streaming himself unboxing Pokemon cards, he even had the audacity to say "Yeah, Sabrina's doing great!" During the stream when someone asked.
I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Sabrina. They broke up and the video was released shortly after if I'm not mistaken.
This is a really comprehensive video about the situation, and I think you approached it in a really nice way. No unnecessary speculation, no weird parasocial relationship to Gus, no statement of hating him, simply a recap of events, and a personal declaration of disappointment and disengagement. Definitely sticking around, looking forward to your continued content!
thank you! i'm glad you enjoyed
Really scares me for the state of abortion rights in America, doctors will believe a dumbass man over a woman actively dying in front of them. That's why women need to have the right to make our own decisions, often times the very people who impregnate us don't even care. Let alone doctors... ugh
Geez you know we all arnt horrible dogs?
@@baguettebully4709 where in their statement do they say "all men are dogs"
they're just stating facts dude
It's awful that in general doctors are pretty dismissive of patients' complaints. Even men will go into a clinic and say they've got some issue and the doctor will just be like "oh it's nothing, it's fine." I think it IS worse for gynecological issues but the fact is that doctors in general just don't treat medical complaints very seriously a lot of the time. I've had an issue for like 15 years, my tonsils swell up, and I've noticed it's mostly my right tonsil that swells the most. It happened 6 times in 4 months on year. I bring it up to every doctor I see and they just go "Well it looks okay now! :)" So I just stopped even mentioning it because they never really listen to what I say. And that's way less dramatic than bleeding internally from an ectopic pregnancy, or the people who have such awful menstrual cramps that they vomit and pass out (although only one tonsil getting swollen is a sign of cancer, so that's fun).
@@FrenkTheJoy hopefully one day women will be able to talk about the rampant discrimination we face without having to coddle men at the same time... like yeah it's a general problem that is even worse for women specifically due to sexism. Im specifically talking about the sexism women face in Healthcare. Thanks tho 😆
@@baguettebully4709 if that is your takeaway from both this comment and the video then I hate to break it to you, but yes YOU are a dog.
The first information I got on anything regarding this was that the ice pack video that Gus posted was a jab at Sabrina and I was like “that sounds like such a reach” but after watching Sabrina’s video in full idk how he could have came back with that video. Like is he psychotic or just a complete tone depth idiot??
and i don't which of those two options is worse
Or maybe it’s neither? Assumptions are just being taken as fact here
@@jaydenwright8110 okay so he both didn't do it on purpose and didn't do it through ignorance. That literally leaves no options besides him not doing it in the first place, which unfortunately he did. Also no facts were stated in the comment you replied to. If you can identify a statement in Sophie's comment in a quote that holds an assumption as fact I will actually cashapp you 5$. Her only statements are about her own interpretation of events.
*it's tone deaf, just FYI.
@@jaydenwright8110 Because that’s impossible lol.
This situation is so horrifying to me because I went through a similar thing, and to this day everyone still believes my ex over me. I'd been bleeding, nauseous, anemic, and so depressed I couldn't get out of bed for over a month. My fiance constantly cracked jokes about me being dramatic, just being psycho and hormonal, how I'd know "real" pain when I was closer to his age, etc. He suggested going to the ER once, but we both knew we couldn't afford it. Then I realized planned parenthood could help me for free or cheap, so I made an appointment, and as soon as I told him he got upset and went on a rant about how we can't afford it, and I was stupid for not asking permission, because he's tired of paying for everything and he had an eye doctor appointment the same week, so now I've messed up all our finances. So I canceled the appointment which made him stop yelling at me, and I kept suffering for another few weeks. Still have no idea what was wrong with me. I kind of hoped that I would die. At least I dumped that trainwreck.
I’m so sorry you went through that, I’m glad you got out of the situation and I hope you’re doing better now ❤️
"He suggested going to the ER once, but we both knew we couldn't afford it" is a heartbreaking thing to read. The US Healthcare system is fucked up. Sorry you went through that ❤
And the worst part is he clearly didn't change from how he acted during the ectopic pregnancy because he was the same way when sabrina got nose surgery, which caused her to break up with him. Even now with this apology, he STILL HASNT CHANGED
Bread down on the timeline, I thought they were like fighting or on bad terms before the pregnancy because they agreed she would have an abortion if she gets an abortion and she broke that agreement.
@@briansupermega5692 you can't agree on something that big and make it a final decision BEFORE it actually happens. She always had the last word anyway, period.
@@sarasthoughts ye I know, that’s why if she goes back on the agreement or is being doubtful in allot of relationships that would be reason for a breakup. That decision would affects both of theirs lives even if he leaves, and one of them isn’t ready at all.
@@briansupermega5692 she has always intended to have the abortion, she just wanted to run a scenario of what if we keep the baby. Nothing’s wrong with discussing that thoroughly and conclude that abortion is the better choice for both.
@@MsEverAfterings That’s called doubting. Also she didn’t know what she would do, she said that she was feeling some type of ways about the baby, she was doubting herself maybe what she needed was encouragement. But Gus didn’t know that the only thing Gus could know is that she is doubting having an abortion and that she has full control over if she has it. Which to him is just scary.
But we don’t know her future decision.
I remember watching Sabrina's video for the first time not putting together that the boyfriend was Gus (because from what I remember she never even put his name in the video!) and just thinking that guy is worst ever who could ever do that! I was so angry for her.
Also I think the saddest part about this whole thing is that people in his community didn't want it to happen this way at all! Personally I was devastated but thought if he actually took accountability, made good apologies to the people in his personal lives and took a break to actually improve himself and reflect everything could be okay. But no. He was immature and continued to disappoint us. His apology video completely broke my heart because I lost all hope.
i was truly devastated to find out that it was actually gus. thats so disgusting
I feel bad that this woman's story of medical malpractice became a story about her, at best, unsuportive bf. More attention needs to be put on what happened to her, not her unnamed bf who's a side character in her whole story. @doctormamajones was who i first heard about her story and it certainly gives quite the perspective.
But the video is titled “Thoughts on Gus Johnson.” His abuse is the topic if the video.
Personally, I was grateful to learn about this and have unsubscribed from Gus’s channel.
@@Mary44430 of this video, yes, and that is exactly what I'm talking about? Why did HER story become about HIM? does that make sense?
It's cool you unsubbed from him but what about actually supporting her or women in her position? He shouldnt be the focus of everything, she should be. Everyone cares about whether he's in the wrong or not because of his videos and how people are fans of him, but none of that conversation actually supports HER ya know? It's not about her at that point, its about him. But SO SO SOOO MUCH more happened other than him being a dick to her, and we, if we really want to support HER and not just unsupport him, need to hear that entire story, and not have it be lost in the drama around her ex, which is all this video does - focus on the ex drama bit, not the literal medical abuse. The medical malpractice she faced is so much more important than him and Sabrina's own video demonstrates that. Her story would still be absolutely horrific WITHOUT him, not because of him. He's a side character in this story and we shouldnt be so focused on him.
@@kaylastarr7863 I think her mentioning her bf (Gus) a dozen times during the story, later making vague posts attacking Gus and liking comments accusing Gus of horrible things... Might have something to do with the story becoming about Gus.
The fact is, Eddy was Gus's greatest friend and even he distanced himself from Gus after everything that happened. Clearly there is a lot going on privately and that is all we need to know about the situation.
What a massive assumption. Get a fucking life orbiter.
@@WillToNihilsm Holy shit dude chill the hell out.
Hell, even Sven has distanced from him.
@@WillToNihilsm “people who actually know him has distanced themselves from him, but I’m sure me, a mere viewer and consumer of content, have better insight on this situation than them. Anyone who lends credit to Gus’s friends must be an orbiter!”
@@WillToNihilsm lmaooooo 8th comment chain you’re projecting in and saying “orbiter”. You’re a goldmine of unselfawareness
I went to high school with Sabrina and kept up with her on social media. I was super happy to see her succeed. Knowing that she was going through all this behind the scenes, breaks my heart :(
Thank you so much for this video. I totally agree. I really enjoyed Gus’s content, but I can’t support him anymore. The way he responded to this is so disappointing. He could have helped diffuse it, but only made it worse. It also hits home, as I had a friend that this happened to as well, she was turned away from the hospital multiple times, while pregnant. But her husband was at her side advocating for her and making sure they took it seriously. By the time they finally admitted her, sadly it was too late and she didn’t make it, but her husband was there with her, and I am forever grateful that he was. I can’t imagine how hard it was for Sabrina. I’m glad she made her video, and I hope she’s in a better place.
having flashbacks to when i asked my ex to join me on a therapy session long after it was too far gone to save the relationship, and him just sitting there, glaring, like how dare he be dragged to something so boring and useless. thanks for this, definitely makes some of us feel less alone.
Thank you for talking this out.
I feel her partner undermining her at the doctor is what almost got her killed.
I am a woman that unless my husband is sitting next to me verifying what I am saying, the doctor doesn't take me as seriously. It is really sad.
Same when you take a car in for repair.
Or look at buying a house or appliance.
The woman might as well not even be in the same room.
I went car shopping with my family to buy myself a new car with my own money.
They didn't care what I was looking for. They were to busy trying to help my husband pick out a car for me.
I'm so tired of it.
Poor Eddy as well. He lost a best friend within a day. I’m glad he made the right choice.
Lmfao at breaking up with a best friend because they were a bad boyfriend 🤣. Eddy is a clout goblin
@@WillToNihilsm I don't really like being friends with someone who lied to me for years and was abusive. Eddy has said multiple times there is much we do not know. He's free to make whatever decisions he deems appropriate based on the information he has.
@@lina01016 lied? You feel privileged to his relationship information as a friend? How do you know he lied? It just didn't come up.
Abusive is an absolute stretch. You're being absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah I'm sure you have SO many friends, on twitter. Go back to twitter, you're having withdrawals.
@@WillToNihilsm his girlfriend was about to die and he went out for drinks with his friends. its scary that you don't consider that abuse.
@@jessicawold yeah I'm sure that's exactly how it happened, she said I'm dying and he said fuck of then they stayed together for 2 years after that, I'm sure it's not more nuanced and complicated than that. FFS Grow up lmfao you don't know ANYTHING about this situation. Orbiter loser
I absolutely think she should have talked about his actions publicly. Maybe some other people can live with separating the person from their actions, but I never want to support an abuser.
she didn't even name him
Gus outed himself as the boyfriend. Himself. He inserted Himself into the conversation....
I don't love the word underrated, and I usually try to avoid making comments unrelated to the video topic. But I feel compelled this time. 250 subscribers is an incredibly honorable amount, but even still I had expected tons of thousands for such a high quality video. Hoping there are more views coming your way man 💕
thank you for the kind words :)
I tend to stay out of drama about 'content creators' I enjoy (not for willful ignorance, just due to not integrating into the communities surrounding them). I had no idea about ANY of this situation, and I appreciate this video greatly for bringing all this information to me so succinctly.
Might have lost Gus as someone to watch, but I have gained a Harry James Miller to.
(I also didn't see Gus' apology video due to just not having watched his videos in a while, so... Guess I won't be too torn up about it.)
well thank you :)
thank you so much for talking about sabrina, wishing her peace, and even touching on the subject that SHE deserves an apology. all of this is hell to see even from an outside perspective. she put so much out there talking about her experience. every time i see clips of that video again it hits such a personal spot, particularly the anxiety where you KNOW you 'arent ready' but your body is yelling against you...and then all of the absolutely heartless assholes saying she was faking this and that i just...can't.
i truly hope sabrina is with better people, and is doing as well as she can be. she deserves comfort and love, and to live her own life.
Great video, definitely subscribing.
Sabrina’s story is terrifying. My mom experienced an ectopic pregnancy and it was very serious, and I can only imagine how much scarier it would have been if she didn’t have good doctors who actually listened to her.
I wasn’t aware of any of this before but the person that had the ectopic pregnancy really resonated with me. My wife had the same thing happen to her several months ago and the urgent care place she went to just gave her a prescription for treating gas and urinary tract infection. It took going to the ER after a few days when neither had any effect on her pain. She had something like a liter of blood in her abdomen.
I just had a really terrible thought. Can you imagine if Sabrina had actually died in her surgery? No one would EVER find out how shitty Gus was, and how horrible he'd been to her, and people would actually support him online. God, that's awful
I wish more of his diehard fans realized that he lied to them. Like they won’t believe Sabrina, fine, but I wish they realized they were directly lied to and that reflects on him as well
This whole situation just feels aggressively like it's not my business. I understand why Sabrina came forward with this and I don't blame her for making it public. I think she did the right thing. When I learned about it, I unsubbed from Gus and I set UA-cam not to recommend his videos to me anymore. I have no desire to continue watching him.
But that was it. This is such a private matter. It makes me uncomfortable that many people held their parasocial relationship with Gus in such high regard, that they speak about this as if they are the victim, because he betrayed their trust. This is Sabrina's trauma. Not ours.
That being said, I think this video was handled well. It was respectful and distanced and appropriate. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about this at all, just that audience members framing the story as if they are the victim really bothers me. If you feel that way, your emotions are valid, but maybe you should take a step back from the internet and rethink the nature of parasocial relationships.
I think all abusive men should be publically outed. This is like saying it’s uncomfortable to talk about your wages when all you’re doing is empowering your boss to pay you less.
We need to be informed and show our rage and support. If we don’t, the medical community will continue to dismiss women who are dying. :/
Harry’s corrections section is better than any “apology” Gus has put out lol
As a Gus Johnson fan, I had no idea this was going on. That's just horrible.
Finally the UA-cam algorithm gives me something new and good! I got here from watching Duncan's video about this (for the second time, because Gus posted something on his Instagram story yesterday and it popped in my feed because I apparently forgot to unfollow him and I felt the need to watch Duncan's video again just to feel... uhh.. balanced?).
I said it on Duncan's video and I'll say it here too - thank you for talking about this, it really helps us ex-fans to not feel alone in this weird feeling. I know it's hard for Eddy to talk about this, I can't blame him, but I wish other commentary channels made videos about this (I'm not on twitter so maybe they do and I don't know?).
I agree with you, it's really none of our business and we don't know the guy etc, but it's still hard to look at his face after knowing what we do know now. Gus could have handled this situation in so many better ways than what he decided to do. He's made several mistakes, and that includes his sketch and "apology" video, and also the story from yesterday. Really not reading the room.
Anyway it seems from your description that we have a very similar taste in UA-cam channels, so I'm definitely subscribing!
thank you for all of the kind words :) yeah i also saw gus' story yesterday and it was just such an uncanny valley experience to see the folksy midwestern charm turned on now. i also wish there were more commentary channels talking about this; it definitely feels like the established creators are all just staying out of it and now the up and coming people are the ones to discuss it.
@@harryjamesmiller
Exactly. I would have assumed the commentary community would not shy away from talking about important issues like this (when they pop up), but I guess it's too messy for them to want to talk about it? It may be a personal thing but it has a huge impact. I kind of think that if they had spoken up and said what they thought, Gus would not have fucked up his response this much... Nobody's giving him the feedback and advice he desperately needs right now. That's why his responses have been so... disconnected.
It's wild the amount of people I've seen supporting Gus in this
especially considering he hasn't refuted any of the actions
Yeah I had a discussion with someone and he denied that Gus ever lied or did anything. He said that Gus was okay to do what he did because providing for someone is hard. I was baffled.
I don't think Gus is in the right here, it's pretty clear he was a bad boyfriend. However, the in way in which Sabrina went about all of this reeks of career sabotage. Gus handled the situation poorly, the medical community handled it atrociously. Where's the outrage over our health systems? Do we think Sabrina's lion's share of trauma is from Gus, or her medical issue being handled so poorly she almost died? Let's say both, but I think it's fair to say Gus is getting the shit end of the stick in the public view. Not that he doesn't deserve any, but to think his career is instantly dashed, I'm not so sure. I like Gus's content. Do I really care what happened between Sabrina and him? Not really, I don't know him. Do I sympathize with Sabrina and her bad medical experience? I sure do. Do I think she brought up a personal situation that only exacerbated this whole ordeal? Yup.
99% of his fans do. Being a bad boyfriend is not cancellable. He still gets 1000000000 more views than you loser 🤣
@@WillToNihilsm Most of his "fans" are literal children like you
I had no idea until this, uh... *issue* came out that people regarded Gus as a wholesome cinnamon roll of positivity so they felt super betrayed by this. He's ALWAYS given me the creeps.
just curious- why did he give you the creeps?
everytime it comes out that a popular figure did something bad there's always one asshole who has to mention how they ALWAYS knew how bad the person was, they're just so good at reading people that they could tell immediately that the guy was bad news. yall are so STUPID for liking or having faith in this guy, I always knew he was an asshole!
Even when I love Gus, I always thought Sabrina was out of his league, and I think Gus knew this, and that was part of why he treated her the way that he did.
Wouldnt it work the other way around and treat her better if he knew she was out of his League?
@@lautaroescarlon7501
You’d think he would
@Lautaro Escarlon for people that manipulate you break the person down to make them think they are the one that isn't good enough in the relationship
when i had my miscarriage i had to be convinced to be taken to the hospital because i was worried about the exact same thing. people are taught all their lives that vagina havers sometimes bleed and have pain in such a vague and secretive way that when i was losing blood i thought "theyre just gonna tell me its a bad period and send me home". for gus, someone who talks so openly about women's issues, to be sitting there saying "well ask let me listen to u call the doctor so i know ur not lying about being in pain" just disgusts me
Sabrina’s video and clips I see of it always make me cry. I don’t know her personally but that video always makes me wish I did so someone could have been there for her. And for someone who she’s supposed to deeply love and trust tell her and do the most cold-hearted things are absolutely heartbreaking.
I feel like the shitty people who say she only put out that video for "clout" is directly ignoring the fact that she didn't even say anything bad about him before that. And even in that video she didn't name him. She literally did most of what she could to not bring light to the fact that he was abusive (maybe bc it's a hard thing to shed light on?) and still tell her story. And people act like all she wanted was clout? If that's what she wanted she would've named him and just gone through the horrible things he did with the medical issues as a side topic. But the video wasn't centered around what he did it was about her struggle and HER health. I think that's much more admirable than most people would've done it. Not even like gus deserve that much poise or respect XD
i've also been seeing people saying the video is sus bc it's monetised...
like... bruh.. for 1 youtube could've put those ads on after deciding it's too much and for 2... why does it matter? that's her trauma. she deserves all the money she gets from it bc I'm sure therapy isn't cheap-
Honestly, if I had not heard about this situation BEFORE I watched her video, I wouldn't have even known it was about him, I would have thought it was about someone she dated before him. It sucks, man.
Yeah I can't understand the assholes saying it's about clout. The woman almost died while Gus treated her like nothing... and she literally sat on that information to try to work through things with him over the course of the rest of their relationship. She was quiet about it for THREE years and just kept being supportive to him. All the while Gus apparently hadn't learned a thing.
So yeah, nobody can say this has anything to do with her wanting "clout". And I can't stand when people do.
The algorithm likes you ! if you keep putting out this quality content on a consistent basis you’re for sure going to gain a following
The topic of this video hits so much harder than when I first found out about what had happened to Sabrina. As a young woman this was already something that felt deeply relatable, but soon after getting caught up with everything I talked to mum. I have been alive for 17 years, my sister 22, and we never knew my mother had had an abortion. Hearing how she talked about it, I can only imagine what she has been carrying on her shoulders all these years. I am so thankful to my father for being a decent human being and supporting her, leaving the choice with her body. With this in mind, everything that Gus Johnson did to Sabrina was vile and unforgivable. All his actions were lacking in thought, respect, love and basic human decency and there can never, ever be an excuse to his actions. Due to my family and some of their backgrounds, I fully support that people can change for the better: but this? It can be forgiven perhaps, but not forgotten. Gus should not be allowed to be back on UA-cam, and the consequences of his actions must be fully realised for there to be any true growth. Sabrina is an incredible woman for being able to keep on living and working after what she has been through and I truly wish her the very best, I don’t know if I could have done what she did and appreciate what her actions has done for my relationship for my mother and respect for those able to go through with abortion. Awareness. Is. Vital.
It’s crazy bc not many people know that post partum depression affects not just women who deliver but women who’ve aborted or miscarried as well. Women definitely need a lot of support in times like that. I’m glad your father was supportive bc imagine how many women who deal with alone it’s heartbreaking.
I know this is months late, but I feel like it’s important to note that Sabrina never mentioned Gus’s name in her original video and only ever referred to him as “my boyfriend at the time”, just because people seem to keep saying that she was trying to cancel him or whatever, when like,,, nobody was even sure it was Gus until he made the tweet which confirmed it.
Didn't she like a bunch of tweets that named out Gus. I would say that's a good indication on who she was calling out.
Actually, no. In spite of not mentioning his name, she went out and liked tweets regarding him which openly told everyone who she was talking about. I think it's only good to have an opinion about something when you know everything going on, rather than making assumptions based off of a single side like this video did, and like you did. But also, this isn't something to have an opinion about. It's a private situation between two adults, and one of them decided to make it public for no good reason.
The sad thing is this has become about Gus, while he was mentioned in her video, really Sabrinas video was about her and her traumatic experience. But now its all about Gus online. Also his thing about growing and being better than he was is bullshit. He treated her like shit when she was recovering from her nose job and that I think if I remember correctly was the final straw for her.
When I watched the video about her pregnancy I thought it wasn’t Gus because I didn’t know about the break up my husband and I where appalled at what the boyfriend did and I kept saying I’m glad she isn’t with someone who treats her like that anymore. It’s really sad how this all turned out, I do think her story is important because it’s very therapeutic as well. If anything I just feel disappointed by the actions taken but I think you out it all perfectly. I don’t do Twitter so I get all my updates on UA-cam I appreciate the well put together video.
Just watched this video and decided to look at Gus's UA-cam page just to see he posted a sketch an hour ago. You really predicted the future and man, hate to see it.
for real? damn
I know this video is old in terms of this situation but thanks for talking about it, I haven't really seen that much talk about this subject and it's probably part of the reason many of his fans have been so forgiving. I think your take (and that of others) is that this isn't our apology to accept it is Sabrina's at the end of the day because she was the one who suffered personally, I just hope she is better now or can at least get to a better place someday.
Assigning anyone who calls Sabrina dramatic to write a 2 page paper on ectopic pregnancies before going back to making comments on the internet
As much as I enjoyed Gus, His actions following everything coming out have proven to me that even if he starts to better himself now I would never be able to (nor willing) to trust him again.
Even aside from the fact that there's *clearly* a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about (Stuff that I'm sure would probably make this much much much worse), His actions in the public space are enough proof to know that he's not the person he wants you to think he is.
And his fans going bloody murder to defend him and throw Sabrina under the bus says more than enough to me about what that community really was. Boys support Boys takes on a very different meaning now if you know what I mean.
All in All, His public image will probably recover in time, as all abusers do, but knowing that he's only sorry it went public is enough for me to say he can't be trusted again.
Why do you need to “trust” Gus? You don’t know him. You don’t hang out with him. You don’t depend on him. He has literally no impact on your life that you yourself don’t allow him to have.
Hey man this video was made really well, and I'm excited to see what you do next. Clearly you did a lot of work keeping up with and looking into the whole situation. As someone who used to be a huge gus fan this whole situation has been disheartening. I'm very happy to see people sticking up for Sabrina in the end and I hope she can find the peace she needs
That fact that without a doubt in my mind I believe that past Gus would be mocking the actions of recent Gus if he was another youtuber is the cherry on top.
Something similar happened to me about a year ago that happened to her. Not the same and definitely not as bad but I had a severe allergic reaction to an iud I had put in and literally no medical professional believed me. They dimissed everything I said until the problem got to a point where it shouldn't have. I have a hard time talking about it because it was so traumatic and every time I do I cry, just like she did. I am deeply comforted by someone sharing a similar story. I thankfully had support of family and my husband but most people don't. I think it was incredibly brave of her to share her story with the world and I am thankful she did because she helped me. People saying she's crying crocodile tears to attack Gus sicken me. I also think you saying that this has become kind of a drama thing and how that is advantageous to Gus was so well said and not a perspective I thought about. Great video.
The MOMENT I saw Sabrina's video, I unsubscribed from Gus everywhere I followed him and blocked him. I made sure to like her comments and show support. Because my sister is currently going through the gaslighting boyfriend stage and I have no patience for grown men abusing their partners.
And it sucks, because I liked his content. But to know how much neglect and hate was on the other side? I couldn't, in good faith, continue to watch.
This wasn't, "oh he used a slur at 14 years, let's ruin his career" this was "he abused his girlfriend who could have died." :/ And the fact that people can't see the difference between being a shithead as a teen/child/young adult and ABUSE, it's very upsetting.
This whole situation is very sad, but especially dystopian because while Sabrina shared a story of the misogyny she faced throughout a literal near-death experience, it ended up being all about Gus anyway. truly heartbreaking, I hope people can see through the "drama" and reflect on how this isn't just an individual experience - almost every AFAB person (including myself) I know has been through a similar experience.
This is also a white women and she almost died. That’s how much healthcare doesn’t care about women. Imagine being a black women in this situation. An undocumented women. A women with a criminal record. A women in jail. A disabled women. A women with no funds at all. It’s so common and so commendable she shared because I guarantee it helps someone in her audience
While I agree with your points, I must make two corrections.
One: singular is woman, women is plural.
Two: Sabrina isn’t white
I know people who you just said are underprivileged and they have had better health care than me and good experiences. Why do you always bring race into it? I've been told by so many people that because I'm white I must have the best health care and have always been "respected" fuck yall are terminally online, shits more complicated than that.
I appreciate this video as somebody that doesn't have Twitter and my only point of reference for any of this was Gus' apology video which I thought was a parody right up until it ended and even then I had no idea what it was in reference to. Literally the vaguest shit I've seen in my life
Medical personnel are renown for their neglectful attitude, this is normal. Everyone needs a general practitioner family doctor who takes you seriously or you’ll constantly find yourself in the dark.
I know i'm late to this video, but I'm so glad it exists. I was a big fan of gus in high school, and then this happened when I was in college, and stopped watching gus's stuff once I heard about this. thank you for looking into this in more detail than I ever felt I could/should. I feel for Sabrina, and hope she's doing well
Bro I hate men like this for real… I‘d been subbed to Gus for a long time and really thought he was an okay guy. (I’m not on Twitter or anything), so I didn’t know any of this had happened until Gus’ apology video, which caused me to google the incident, (which led me to Sabrina’s video.)
What a fucked up story that’s sadly common for these types of guys who act like they’re so “cool and down to earth” in person, but really are just abusers in private. The only good thing that came from Gus’ apology is him bringing this situation to light for me, so I could unsubscribe.
This is the first video I’ve ever seen from you, but I’m very touched by how thoughtful and nuanced you were-especially in your conclusion.
I feel sorry for any women who date Gus in the future. He clearly has a serious lack of empathy for women.
Hearing what she’s been through is literally brining tears to my eyes, him saying “you know some people would have left you by now” is just so fucking disgusting, his actions all round, I can’t believe I watched this man for so many years thinking he was a funny goofy guy makes me sick to my stomach
And holy fuck the ice pack video, I didn’t even make that connection …
And I don’t think any apology is going to make him ok in many peoples eyes
i’m sorry but the “oh yeah- you’re good. just because this was the gus and eddie podcast does not mean this was the gus and eddie ABUSE.” absolutely destroyed me
This made me want to hug my girlfriend. I'm glad you presented everything, I'm not going to support him in the future.
Going to keep this short. My mom has had her entire life affected by racism and misogyny in healthcare. This is no joke. Women shouldn't have to smile while we're suffering inside, be it physically or emotionally. Nobody in the world deserves to be dismissed the way my mom, who I would gladly spend 6 hours to make a dish that doesn't cause her body to be in pain, and so many others have for years now.
I had no idea about this dude. I was a fan of Gus and I really thought that him and Abelina were very happy. You were right about the assuming thing and boy oh boy was I wrong. I wish the best for abelina I hope she’s doing all right. It sucks seeing someone who you thought was a really great person doing something wrong.
I don’t know much about the symptoms about ectopic pregnancies but it’s something girls are warned about quite a lot, from a time that’s pretty young. At least where I’m from.
In general there are like a million conditions that can cause extreme pain in the lower organs so I find it even stranger that he didn’t believe her.
There’s kidney stones, kidney infections, menstrual cramps so painful that opioid pain relief is required (rarely), and anyone who’s has a UTI or a IUD inserted knows they are painful asf.
I’m not sure about STIs but they can’t have such a bad reputation for no reason… I’ve heard chlamydia isn’t too bad?
Dermoid cysts, endometriosis…
It's her platform. It's her community. It's her choice to share her experience/trauma. To help her heal. To spread awareness or help others.
That made me cry about how the healthcare providers treated Sabrina
Wow, awesome video. pretty awesome quality in terms of production and pretty reasonable takes on the situation. Wanted to add "for a small youtuber" but I did not want qualify my compliments with that description. What I mean is I am surprised you dont have more followers haha. Will definitely sub.
thank you!
Yea, summed it up pretty well. This whole situation had me questioning my previous stance that I can sperate the person from the product. But I think Gus being a shitty person also tanked the quality of his product. In the past it was all lighthearted and relatable jokes. But this lends a new light on all of the videos and takes away a lot of that lightheartedness, relatability, and sarcasm. Through this, much of the content just feels cold.
Hey man really good job on this video. Very impressed with your speaking skills and you seem very intelligent. I know this sounds like a college discussion post response, but I just think that sometimes people deserve positive reinforcement. So this is that. Good job.
thank you professor bruglio :)
im sad sabrina went through what she did, but it is nice to find your channel
it's really refreshing to see eddy disconnect from gus, so often yters completely ignore their friends' actions. and they're usually nowhere near as connected as gus and eddy were in terms of online presence. just good to see a youtuber with a working moral compass.
this video is fire. you deserve SO many more subscribers
thank you!
Man, I even saw him live. The show was fantastic, but how can you laugh at his stuff now knowing what we know?
Gus isn't a villain for not wanting kids and wanting to break up if she didn't abort. But he didn't have to be so cruel and unsupportive. Even if you're on the brink of breaking up, leaving your GF alone when she is having life threatening surgery is so so messed up
He was there for the surgery 🤷♂️
@T-Rex yes that's true. I just meant at the beginning when she first learnt she had to get emergency surgery and had to convince him to come. And like I said, I don't think he's a bad person, hes probably a great person, just not a great partner to Sabrina at that time.
@@lucyservo6574 She said that he’d gone out for food and drinks and he drove to the hospital after that and that’s when they got the results together. That’s the first time either of them knew it was ectopic and she needed surgery. She’d been for scans before but was missed by doctors. He was present when she had the op
Thank you for this. What Gus did is so far beyond just bad choices. It boggles my mind that anyone could defend Gus; he didn’t even deny anything. I agree with you, I don't know him, and I don't hate him. But it's so strange to see people saying that Sabrina shouldn't have shared what happened to her. Because of Gus, I guess???
I can’t believe you only have almost 400 subs! You’re great! I can’t wait to see your best video. You’re gonna be next to blow up I’m sure ❤️
thank you!!
here three days later and there are now 960!
I think because of the private nature of the original situation, the timing, and the mature way Sabrina talked about it, Gus could have cut his losses and gotten through it without a huge stain on his reputation. But his escalating response to it all really showed us his worst side and it's so uncomfortable to try to go back to the good guy funnyman. I hope that it was helpful for Sabrina to engage publicly where she had people to back her up against gaslighting.
Wow, I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel! I love hearing rational, open minded opinions from rational & open minded people. especially about this horribly sad situation.
I agree most of it should have been able to be handled offline rather than through videos and tweets... I just can't imagine the added stress to Sabrina if she still had to keep this to herself. if she healed in any way coming forward with her trauma, I'm a stickler for giving her props to be strong enough to share that with the world. I truly just wish her the best.
I'm hoping to see more content from you on interesting topics in the future! :)
- a new subscriber ❣️
this video was phenomenally made, thank you for making this! i’m surprised that you don’t have a shit ton of subscribers, you deserve much more
first video I've seen of yours. subscribed now. thank you for talking about this
thank you!
The medical system in my country doesn't really go much better, with many unexperienced "professionals" just wanting to give patients some light medicine and tell them off in the most "if I solve your problem, you won't pay another appointment" way possible. Even worse is: if you're on the verge of crying, you're exaggerating; if you're holding back the tears, it's not serious enough because you're not visibly crying and either way you just lose; the problems then pile and pile up, with each time help is asked being a time someone completely apathetic to the situation picks it up, offers a non-solution with utmost confidence and you just keep dying mentally and/or physically.
I think it really doesn't help that staff rotates a lot in hospitals, so you might come talk to a doctor about something specific, they don't care and send you on your way, but you could come back another time and they could start understanding that it's a serious problem... until you realize the entire staff is different on the other day you come, so you get another person who doesn't care (even if they read what the other doctor wrote for your previous appointment, because to them it's just words devoid of any weight).
Women get dismissed as drama queens thirsting for attention and men get dismissed because they should "suck it up and be manlier"; it's honestly surprising things still are the way they are, considering how many people have so many issues of not being helped within a system that is theoretically designed to help people. Worst part is, I don't think I ever got an honest "I don't know" from a doctor - it becomes a system where the mistrust gets built more and more because they clearly are lying about knowing the solution, but never bring themselves to tell the truth... and I could say telling the truth would make it easier for them to not be held accountable for stupidities, but they'll never be held accountable anyway. I don't mean that it's impossible to sue this behavior, but the bureaucracy is so tiring, that simply getting a minimal amount of justice done through the lawful ways takes literal months to *maybe* produce the expected result - that is, if they don't hire a better lawyer to pull an obscure law out of their ass and completely save their client from accusations of negligence.