@@DRAGONFANG18 Should've installed in on a proper storage device like a fast hard drive or SSD. Or mirror it in two identical drives. This one of the many reasons I use UNRAID
I have this case with 3 computers inside. I 3D-printed an ITX motherboard mount to sit on top of the drive cage. All 3 are in the same water loop. Gaming/Plex/Hackintosh are the 3 systems. It looks great but takes a solid 20-30 hours any time I need to swap a component. I don’t regret doing it at all, it was a ton of fun and I love it, but it is indeed a terrible idea.
"Oo, ooo, I need network!" I've been thinking of setting up a NAS for the first time so Paul, if you're looking for video topic ideas, you could do one on up to date considerations for hardware and software for a first time NAS build. Thanks!
You forgot the most important rule: It's called water cooling, not colourful junk that predictably reacts with something in your loop and clogs it up in no time cooling, for a reason.
I'm pretty sure J D was talking about the grey cooling devices with spinning blades in the video. I was referring to channel supporters with names containing Grey. Both are grey fans.
In the late 90s early 00s, when LAN parties were still a thing, having 2 PCs in one box meant you could have a separate computer that held all your MP3s^W Linux ISOs without impacting the performance of your gaming PC, and only have to lug one case around. I know of more than one person that hacked such a thing together, I don't know if there were any cases specifically made for it back then.
@@paulshardware I used to be on Staff for a LAN party and we had this couple always wheel in their dual systerm TT Tower 900 on a tool chest. It was a his and hers custom water cooled dual system, so they only needed 1 PC Case for both of them to play. Probably the best use case imo.
@@paulshardwareNot going to be going to Dreamhack with it obviously, but if you're doing a 3-4 day weekend affair with a handful of friends, the size of your setup doesn't necessarily matter in many situations. Edit: In terms of weight, if you're not using a massive water cooling loop it doesn't become unmanageable for most people.
@@TheAmazingRando-z6t I hear that, used to carry my 17" CRT plus PC about 2 miles across town most weekends. Not sure my back could take that these days!
I have a dual system pc. Number 1 reason is a space saving measure. I dont have the room to plop a second case around my desk and I wanted a second system. Speaking of, the reason I have a second system is for server hosting for games, I do want to make it also a little storage NAS but havent gotten around to it. Number 2 reason I did it was cause I thought it was cool, I just wanted to. I had old hardware lying around the I was kit bashing together into a server, and I found that the only major investment I needed, aside from the dual system chassis, was an itx board for the server. My pc is now freaking heavy and I haven't even water cooled it yet like I want to. But I do find it interesting and fun to use. If I ever have the space I'd love for an actual home rack server and then ill do away with my dual system, but for now it's a fun project.
I am gonna say this flat out. If you build with purpose and not form over function 2 systems 1 case can work phenomenally. My wife and I had a Mountain Mods UFO dual ATX build and it was fantastic never had any issues period. But you have to build with a little bit of forethought on cooling ,accessible maintenance ,and weight.
I built a dual system in a single case recently and while it was fun to do and I enjoy it....I am finding it difficult to find a practical use for it lol.
One of the main reasons I have two PCs is so I'll always have one working while I'm fixing the other. I can't imagine working on one PC without looking things up in the internet with the other.
I have the same case for my NAS. Fractal Design makes new trays for 8GB+ drives. Since I didn't want to wait, I wedged a piece of bike air chamber between the drives in each tray. It works perfectly.
Just adding a reason for dual PC cases. Reuse and restore. With many of us accumulating old PCs not in use, running igpus or non powered GPUs on them could make for some light weight processing and rather than dual booting different OS' you could just run the two systems at once networked together. (Windows 10 does not play nice with proprietary 2014 hardware). Putting them in the same case the size of a midtower or smaller would be awesome.
14:41 well, _that_ was stupid ... you could have just - mounted the drives that you put on the outside of the brackets inside of them as well - which is how these brackets are intended to be used anyway (for the 3x2 max config) - stick a piece of foam between the labeled drive sides that are then facing each other => free additional vibration dampening => no need for sketchy blue tape abuse => profit
When I was a service tech and engineer in a data system there were several machines running dual or quad systems in the same case because limiting connections cables resulted in computers having no to less latency communicating between systems that needed to talk with each other on a constant basis for applications that ran and/or monitored industrial processes, a very unique situation. I personally have no need to do it. The longer the run of ethernet cables the more voltage drop and signal degradation where signal boosting machines/equipment would be needed. Again a very unique situation. And to say the least the machines in questions were next to or on top or under the multi PC case of the storage rack to shorten any and all connections. :)
You could put it on a wood platform with wheels, i have mine on one and it make super easy to move it. It's way easier to move my main (1000d) PC and vacuum around it than my second system (old small mid tower prebuilt)
The real advantage of multiple PC's in one chassis comes in the server space with blade servers, where you can take out (and make redundant) the common things like fans, power supplies, etc, and have a bunch of compute blades in the chassis and everything is just slide in/slide out. I was lazy with my NAS, HP had one of their deals on HP MicroServers where old gens were down to 100 pound with rebate, so I have two of those. Low powered CPUs but fine for plex and four hotswap drive-sleds and nearly silent in a cute little cube.
freenas/zfs doesn't require you to plug drives back in to the same ports. zfs uses the drive's uuid to register it to the pool which is pretty fantastic if you transplant drives from one server to another.
I’d do a dual system/single case set up for gaming and streaming. Sure, it’s a big case but it’s all about the convenience of having everything set up together. If I ever seriously consider doing it, I’ll build in the 1000D for sure.
I don't know myself, I don't do either, but I think Jays2Cents did a video and came up with modern hardware can do both at the same time as long as you're not trying to max out both, just set it for level 4 instead of 5 (my phrasing, not his) and there'll be enough resources for both...
I have a dual system in a Phanteks P600S and a revolt X 1200 watt PSU. There are ups and downs. for me its space saving, and the fact I don't have to tab out of a game when talking on discord. I built mine recently though and definitely one of the main reasons you stated at the beginning of the video is true. I wanted all the power as it was always my dream as a kid to have an awesome gaming PC. Now I can't upgrade my system any further (besides ram). So I bought the bracket for phanteks cases and then upgraded PSU and added a smaller ITX board mainly used for office work or discord calls etc. Works well and I can set the mini system up to video capture my older game consoles if I want to record them when I play.
I found myself in a similar situation when I built a chenbro NR12000 (after watching craft computing) I tried to populate it with a couple seagate exos drives, well they don't use the same mounting (they use the extended spacing, the server chassis used the middle mounting). So I had to (and still have to) take out the drive mounting brackets that are riveted and screwed in and drill out new mounting holes for one of the sets of mounting screws. (I did 1 tray, have 2 more to do)
a friend of mine just built in this case, Fractal had to do a revision to the HDD brackets because of exactly the issue you ran into but you'd never know cause all their documentation still shows the old ones.
Eh i still love the 1000d and intend to build a dual system in it, the reason why is the 1000d has the capability to and id much rather use it to the fullest extent. plus failures arent a major problem since ill be having the pc in the room and more regularly cleaning it. Finally ill divide the cables as best i can since the 1000d has the room to the only problem is the fans but its not much of a problem. Overall i think 2 systems in one case certainly can work in a different scenario then pauls. overall a great video though! I'd love to see a new build in your old 1000d
my brother had a Xeon + K6000 workstation and a 4770k 780ti in his cooler master cosmos ii some years back, it was glorious, he's built tall and heavy so moving it around wasn't much of problem, we maintained it well so we had no problems if at all with her and it was air cooled [as were the times], upgraded it in 2012 then finally in 2014 [k6000 to m6000 i don't remember if it was the other way round] but this is also true, we sold it because we got fed up with the weight and generally lugging it around, great thing is it retained much of its value tho.
I had the same HDD mounting issue when I got some 8TB hard drives (HGST Deskstar NAS) a few years ago. Had a Rosewill Thor V2 case - it only had the closer-spaced screw mounts, not the wider ones. (Some of my older HDDs, for example I think some 5TB and maybe 4TB drives, had screw holes for all 3 screw positions.) I ended up getting another case entirely - the Fractal Design Define R5, which solved that issue. (It still didn't solve the issue of running out of drive bays, though... sometimes I've wanted to plug like 20 or 30 drives into the same system, and I don't really want, nor have a place to put, a rackmount case.)
I am in the process building the MetallicGear Neo Cube, back side for streaming front gaming and content. So far so good, anyway it has been a fun build so far. Love your channel hope mine gets even half as good as yours. stay safe
I do appreciate you showing your PCs in a realistic state! Bit dusty and a bit bodged here and there to keep things running, basically like the rest of us :). I should really pull my fileserver out and remove the dust bunnies now that I think of it... :P
Node 304 is a pretty old case these days but it's still one of the best for a self build NAS. Not super easy if you need to swap out a bad drive, but not too bad either as Paul showed, the drives are reasonably accessible. I have a 4 drive TrueNAS build in the black version and it's great, although my drives are only 4TB ones so they fit okay in the caddies.
I must be psychic. "Node 304" was the first thing that came to mind when you said you were transplanting your FreeNAS server into a new case. It really is a good choice for a small NAS build.
Paul can you do a updated video on setting up a freeNAS build and set up, highlighting what it can be used for and such. Would be good to see how freeNAS has changed over the years.
I have a 1000D and had the same setup with the NAS on the ITX board below. I also ran a custom loop on the main system. It was very nerve-wracking with the drives below all of the watercooling hardware. I did the same and removed the NAS system into a Cerberus X (love the handle). I've had better sleep since.
in a previous job as a desktop support guy I can't tell you how many times we strapped SSD's into older computers using gaffer's tape because we didn't have the proper adapters available.
G'day Paul, I really like that Fractal case, it was their first I built in for a Friends Wife's Work PC. I was so impressed by the Quality that I now have my Work PC (Focus G - needs ODD) & Gaming PC (Meshify C Mini) in Fractal cases as well 🥰
I came across this video two years after it was published because I am considering a dual system and I'm doing a lot of research before I decide. You make a lot of good points and have given me a lot more to think about. My use case is quite different. I would never risk putting my storage backups in a situation like this. I am going to be using the main system for a daily driver and gaming. The smaller, secondary system will be for streaming, recording, and for my neice and nephew when they come over. They can both play on my computer without fighting over it because it's really two computers. They can sit side by side and chase each other around in Rocket League, Roblox, and Fortnight. I don't have a lot of space for two computer but this case takes up about the same volume as two cases. The footprint is smaller than having two mid towers but it is way taller and deeper. I really didn't think about one system taking down both of them. That is a huge disadvantage. I'm glad I saw this video before buying a dual case and thanks for putting it out there. I never would have thought of a lot of this stuff until it was too late. Cost is another big one. This "super" tower is over $500 and I can get two midtowers for half that price. So the case is four times as expensive as just buying two separate cases. Buuuut... I really like the idea of it and it would save me a bunch of space in my little room. Also, I still play MMOs and I do enjoy two-boxing. I can two-box with separate machines but this would be ... ...decisions, decisions. Thanks again for pointing out the cons. This video might have saved me a bunch of money and headache.
Another use for doing 2 PCs in the same case that I can think of is for those that want a Dual PC stream setup, where one is dedicated to the gaming and the other dedicated to the streaming where the PC's won't have items outside of the build dependent on it. This would also fit a case where they wouldn't need to have their own power supply. Even dual PC streaming setups have their complexities and quirkiness that some tend to shy away from doing that. I agree that doing a PC and NAS in the same case wouldn't be a good use case for that.
Yep, that was my plan with my currently unfinished and now pretty outdated Phanteks 2 in 1 case. I didn't have the energy to do streaming and I was trying to get 2 of my older separate PCs into one. It actually works, I just never got around to properly finishing cable managing and securing everything into place.
With modern hardware you don't need a dual PC setup anymore. A 5900 with a 3080 (if you could find one) should be able to take care of both gaming and streaming. You also save money by not needing a capture card. I know there are ways around the capture card but I think the quality is not as good as having one. The main quirk with a dual PC setup is the ability to talk to your team if multiplayer gaming and being able to talk to your chat. The gaming mic needs to be on the gaming PC and the chat mic needs to be on the streaming PC. Some streamers just use two mics.
Was thinking of dismantling my series x and installing it in my current case with my pc. Setting up the extra rgb/light mode button as to make a on/off switch for the xbox. I would have to reroute some things and add a few fans just to increase airflow in the case to compensate for the 2 systems. The amount of airflow that is needed for the xbox really isnt that much. Only reason is for all of this is as you stated, space. The simple fact is that I have limited space for both systems in my current set up. My wife has only allocated me so much room and I feel a bit cluttered as is. I would be voiding warranties and all that but it seems like a fun little project that might work flawlessly or be an absolute disaster. More to think about i guess
Additional Reason: Very Close Network Ports. 10G SFP+ Network Card + Short Copper Direct Attach Cable is quite inexpensive as data center retired hardware. No switch required.
I'm doing my first build right now using this case for a dedicated recording/streaming pc on a mini itx and dedicated gaming pc. Not going to use any water cooling for now though.
Very good assortment info all wrapped up in one package video!! Thanks. Not a fan of water / liquid cooled systems in any case for me, as it just seems to be trying to mate two different species. So many bad things are possible. With enough volume, air will do for my needs.
Just last weekend I took my rig apart (a Meshify S2) for the same reason. For the case, which is black, I used wet wipes to clean it out and they work very well on the rubber gromets - the build looks brand new if you give a good enough wipe down.
Glad I'm not the only one to label sata cables/drives with painters tape before a rebuild, also happy you addressed the water res over your NAS drives, that was so triggering to me 😜
I used to have a dual monitor set up, but there's a glitch when drawing on the particulat graphics tablet I like that caused it to ocassionally jump monitors and screw up the stroke. So naturally I did the obvious thing and built a dual pc set up so I can still watch UA-cam while I draw. Great idea. Another reason to have a dual pc is I only have one water cooling loop.
I ran into the same drive mounting issue when I recently built my little NAS in the CoolerMaster Elite 130. After some investigation, I learned that several years ago they (whoever "they" is) pushed the spacing out for higher capacity drives (e.g. your 8TB drives and my 10TB drives - I only have 2 of them, though). Since the mounting points in the CM 130 could also double for SSDs, I was able to kind of kludge my way through it, but it was irritating. I even emailed CoolerMaster to see if they made different brackets, but got no response. P.S. I would definitely not recommend the Elite 130 for this purpose... or at all, I think... the power supply hanging over the cpu really limits what you can do for cooling where, even if it fits, a good portion of the intake is blocked. Definitely should have used the 304 you showed here :)
As a two pc one case owner ( 1000d case to be exact ), I concur on these issues. One the pc is super heavy, forunately I have the pc rested on my music rack that have casters so its alot easier to move around. Second, my itx motherboard have failed on me three for the year and a half I've had this case. Troubleshooting became a huge pain because I had to driain the loop that was connected to the itx board everything time I had to troubleshoot. I enjoy the looked of my build but if I have one more psu cable, motherboard or gpu failure I will split them up in two separate cases.
Build my Unraid server on a Node 304 earlier this year. Aside from cable management problems, especially once you have 4 to 5 disks, it is a good case for a NAS.
Thx for the good content. About the hard drives.... Did you notice, that the space on the newer drives between the horizontal screw holes are the correct size for your case mount? So why don't change from vertical to horizontal mount? The space should be there as I saw at your close shoot footage.
Silverstone DS380 is a great little NAS case. 8 hot swappable trayless 3.5" so you don't have to worry about hole pattern plus 4 fixed 2.5". Would mean jumping to SFX(L) for the PSU, but very worth it.
Both sets of mounting holes are part of the same standard (SFF-8301), and have been for quite a while (at least dating back to 2010, from what I've found, but I'm fairly confident they go back way further than that) though almost every drive I've seen has either the ones your Toshiba has, or both. I checked through my pile of drives, some of which are positively ancient IDE drives and I couldn't find any that have only the hole pattern your WD Red has, I did however find an ancient Fujitsu IDE HDD that looks like it has all six holes Are the Reds shucked perchance? I seem to recall reading those sometimes have a less common hole pattern, because...reasons... I guess...
I enjoyed that video Paul! Awesome 👌 As for your HDD mounting problem you could attempt to create some brackets on your own or perhaps reach out to a local machine shop, or maybe a school for machining or fab/welding. They would probably not even charge you and it would benefit students who get to create the parts. Thanks Paul and keep up the good work.
I've got a HP server tower from work, which i have intended for NAS down the line, but my holy crap the thing is HEAVY.. I do TOTALLY understand how Riptide were a hassle to move around :)
That FreeNAS relocation makes me want to relocate my server from my mid-tower case (Cooler Master CM 690 ii) into an itx case like that so, following your other video's advice, I can finally get it off the floor haha. I clean it fairly regularly since there are 2 cats that love to shed in the house, but I'd like to clean it less often since it's a hassle.
A company I worked for did build a dual-system unit for a RIP and digital proofing system. The main PC ran the RIP software and that was sent via the second NIC-port to the secondary PC which ran the output software for the imaging unit. The main PC ran Windows NT server at the time, and the output device ran Solaris and proprietary software for the imager. As far as doing this for a personal system, I'm not sure of the usefulness outside of dual purposes such as a NAS-box and PC all in one unit.
I think fractal design has updated it's Node 304 design to accommodate the new hard drive screw locations. You should be able to contact their support and get new ones.
im going to comment before watching the video: i have a corsair 900D case that i custom built. the CASE. it holds 2 FULL ATX boards, 2 FULL ATX-size PSUs, 2 big GPUs, big stack coolers, extra fans. and it works amazingly well. one rig runs my sim racing setup, and the other rig is for general gaming and adobe work. i did it this way to save space on 2 systems that i was needing anyway
I think dual systems was a really cool idea that no one found an actual use for. It could be useful if you needed two low end systems, like a NAS and a Streaming/External capture PC or a file sever and a tor node, stuff you'd leave on 24/7 and rarely touch. You'd potentially save a lot of money and space doing a dual system for that kind of thing, without pushing the cooling capacity to it's limits, but for 99% of people it just seems like something you want to do for fun, rather than makes practical sense
Me with multi system in a server rack and dedicated airflow. Yeah multi system is great, you can exhaust heat and manage airflow efficiently. In your room, you can control where you want something hot and where you keep things cool.
I have two systems in one case. Phanteks enthoo pro 2 is the case I used. Small itx build which I use for streaming, and for game server hosting. Then my main rig full size atx which is water cooled. Only space I have in my computer room would be on the floor for another pc, and I hate putting pcs on the floor dust magnets. Ironically was actually cheaper for me to do this as I didn't have to buy another case, more fans, and another power supply. Just bought the power splitter from Phanteks.
Hi Paul, I took a break from computers during the shortage, with the GPU burnout and other shortages. Just made it around to see what your up to. The reason I'd get a case that big would be radiator overkill, I own a Phanteks Enthoo Luxe, and it was a good idea for a bunch or drives and a radiator. Although there are things about the case I don't like, it's fine for what I need. Anyways, thanks for the content.
I used the Phanteks PSU and Evolve X to put NAS and watercooled gaming system into one case. It sucked! The PSU does keep the power on for the PCIe and auxiliary power cables and will run your RGB on the gaming system and kick your fans on the gaming systems GPU to high gear, because it does not get power form the mainboard, but from the PCIe cables. I solved it with changing that to a waterblock, but the system would still get power. It only works if both systems have to run at the same time. I completely agree with your decision, Paul.
Yea, I have dual case build using 1000D and it’s not for everyone. Fortunately my use case supports this config but over the years of the build and reading normal users post during that time it definitely would not be practical for many. I’m a developer, programmer, cyber defender, normal daily driver, and all the soho requirements needed in my case. I have two boards, one intel and the other thread ripper, two psu, and a bunch of cables. Last year I was going to water cool but then all the supply scalping happened which turned me off in buying. I game only a little but wouldn’t mind a change since I’m older and have all my college and gathering work experience - which takes dedication in your job instead of gaming all day - so gaming sounds fun since it’s hard to do anything outside the city due to Karen’s and covid restrictions. Love your videos and think your configurations are very sound. Cheers
Yo Paul been watching your videos since 2015. You were the first tech tuber I started watching. You taught me how to build PCs. You are a tried and true tech tuber. Super intelligent well spoken with a broad vocabulary, very articulate when doing build videos and tech news and the like. I will always be subscribed until you no longer do this anymore.
I think Thermaltake w200 has one the best dual system cases, but it is a very large case. It keeps both systems separated making working on each one easier without having to tear the system apart.
I had the same problem with WD Red drive screw locations in a Define R5 - the only way to mount them on the trays was back to front so they hung over the edge a bit, and probably contributed to the vibration noise that drove me insane until I moved all the hard drives to my old system and set it up as a file server.
My Corsair 1000D case I installed casters to the bottom of it so it's very easy to move about if I need to. I got them from an old office chair and they work perfectly for it. I also put them under my 5000D cases as those are pretty heavy also.
@Paul's Hardware , if Fractal are still making the Node 304, perhaps they have modified those HD brackets over the years. Perhaps you should touch base with FD and find out.
I have the Thermaltake Core v21 mATX chassis. A nice little cube case that has stacking capabilities. I believe the new Divider 200 is the refresh of that case. As a cube you can swap the sides around to orient as normal, inverted or flat. A good amount of room for well laid out custom loop.
Counterpoint Stackable, lockable cases, IIRC there was a coolermaster HAF vase family that had a small ITX case that could be the base for a large EATX case
While you're at it, FreeNAS has converted to TrueNAS ... a FREE upgrade that went well for me. Beautiful dashboard and functionality. .. Tom Lawrence has how to videos. Wendell? Maybe.
Fractal had the wide mount drive trays for my R4 case. They may be able to help with your disk caddy. Typical Fractal - didn't charge me for 2 spare trays for a seven year old case.
I looked at doing a dual build for a while. I think for me it was purchasing the ITX board as well as included SATA headers. However, a big tower would have given me a lot of drive space. 🤷♂️. In the end, we moved and I put in a small network rack and a shallow server case.
regarding 304 and the 3,5" drives. I think you can just move the rubber insterts from the hard drive brackets to the other opening right beside the stock one and use the black screw hole on the hard drive
Hey I had a question about the case, I bought one myself and am also wanting to do a custom water cooled pc (first time building one) but I wanted to go super over kill with 4 x 480mm radiators (2 on top and 2 in the front) but the biggest issue I'm seeing is which reservoir/pump combo. I'm worried I'm not going to get a strong enough pump but the 2 top radiators are going to be just for the CPU and the 2 front ones are just for the GPU so ill need a pump that's strong enough to push the liquid through 960mm of radiator. I've been trying to do research but I have no idea what most of the stuff means and not many content creators make custom water cooled pcs.
I agree with the other commenters here, regarding seeing a video showing the setup of a NAS build. I would like to setup a NAS for rigs. Even if it's a series of multiple videos. I would love to see the entire process, from selecting the components, building the rig, downloading, installing, and setting up the software, to include what settings need to be changed on the "other" PCs in order to have them be able to access the NAS and send data and/or other files to it for archival purposes. Personally, as someone who has never considered needing/having a NAS setup, I am not ashamed to ask for some hand-holding on how to setup this very important, and often neglected, component of a home network. I currently have three PCs in my home network; one for gaming, one for streaming, and one for mining. The gaming PC is also currently used for paying bills and other household budgeting duties. I want to change that, and adding a fourth PC dedicated to home budgeting duties seems like a possibility. I have heard of Free NAS, but know nothing about it. I recently began researching it and its usage, but still do not have a basic understanding of the process. If anyone has some reputable sites for researching Free NAS, and other options, I would love to hear about them.
Back in the late 2000s my uncle built a x4 pc he named "The LAN Cube" I was only 8 or 9 while it was in use, but me and my cousins could play games like Call of Duty 4 or Left 4 Dead sitting around a cards table basically. It was kind of epic. I really wish I knew the specs.
Great video I have been planning to build a system in the Phanteks XL Mini for awhile and its a dual system case. The case was on sale from 179.99 down to 99$ on newegg i figured it was a good deal on a dual system case. I did weigh your cons, make sure I'm not jumping into a poop fest. weight - Not a big issue I have had a few alienware area 51's, and my home NAS is in a hefty 1U. 1 goes down they both go down - Whelp I wanted to do two PSU's and the system has two power locations so I hope that's not the situation, but this is likely the only issue I can see. Pump issues - Haven't used water cooling in years, I like the look of big oversized coolers. But you make good points. You try PC ideas, if you dont like them, you put down the negatives and normally don't go back. Its why I stopped water cooling. I have had good Noctua or Cooler Masters coolers be used for 10 plus years like build after build with no issues. But I have always had issues with Water Coolers after the three year mark especially if they are not well kept. Don't worry Paul I will keep the system off the floor tho! Maybe I will need to revisit this in three years if the dual system turns out to be a mess.
I would love an updated step-by-step guide on doing NAS.
I also need a guide on how to get my ZFS drives from an old nas back up after having my USB with Freenas die on me.
@@DRAGONFANG18 Should've installed in on a proper storage device like a fast hard drive or SSD. Or mirror it in two identical drives.
This one of the many reasons I use UNRAID
I absolutely second and third this
#metoo. No, not that #metoo...
I'd love to see this too!!
You should've dropped a water-cooled Raspberry pi in there. It would've been a triple threat.
You just put a glass of water on top of the CPU :D
I have this case with 3 computers inside. I 3D-printed an ITX motherboard mount to sit on top of the drive cage. All 3 are in the same water loop. Gaming/Plex/Hackintosh are the 3 systems.
It looks great but takes a solid 20-30 hours any time I need to swap a component. I don’t regret doing it at all, it was a ton of fun and I love it, but it is indeed a terrible idea.
@@Socrates_Nuts that sounds so annoying if you need to do one small thing lol
Just one?
@@Socrates_Nuts Man, I would love to see some pictures of that! My 2 pc's are both caseless.
"Oo, ooo, I need network!" I've been thinking of setting up a NAS for the first time so Paul, if you're looking for video topic ideas, you could do one on up to date considerations for hardware and software for a first time NAS build. Thanks!
Yo, second this, got an old PC that could be used for this probably instead of collecting dust!
I third this, I've been trying out NAS software in Windows and I think I could learn some more.
*via virtual machines.
@@alaingraham And ZFS. Definitely needs more ZFS.
@@Jakoliath Same.
Sheesh Paul, all these rules! Computer off floor, now computer own box. I mean what's next? Computer play game? 😁
I only wish to bring Order to the world of PC building, lol
@@paulshardware Paul will bring balance to the (PC) Force!
You forgot the most important rule: It's called water cooling, not colourful junk that predictably reacts with something in your loop and clogs it up in no time cooling, for a reason.
@@paulshardware That's suspiciously German of you.. hmm
Well those are (R)ed drives and you added some (B)lue tape. With your (G)ray fans, you've got RGB and it'll run way faster.
G= Green not Grey
@@sadams12345678 Some fans are grey. 😃
@@greybeard5123 I am aware of that. My point was that the G in RGB stands for GREEN not GREY.
@@sadams12345678 It turns GREY from the crappy compression 😞
I'm pretty sure J D was talking about the grey cooling devices with spinning blades in the video. I was referring to channel supporters with names containing Grey. Both are grey fans.
In the late 90s early 00s, when LAN parties were still a thing, having 2 PCs in one box meant you could have a separate computer that held all your MP3s^W Linux ISOs without impacting the performance of your gaming PC, and only have to lug one case around. I know of more than one person that hacked such a thing together, I don't know if there were any cases specifically made for it back then.
I'd love to see someone bring a 1000D to a LAN party 🥳
@@paulshardware I mean, it can't weigh that much more than the 21" CRT I thought was a good idea at the time.
@@paulshardware I used to be on Staff for a LAN party and we had this couple always wheel in their dual systerm TT Tower 900 on a tool chest. It was a his and hers custom water cooled dual system, so they only needed 1 PC Case for both of them to play. Probably the best use case imo.
@@paulshardwareNot going to be going to Dreamhack with it obviously, but if you're doing a 3-4 day weekend affair with a handful of friends, the size of your setup doesn't necessarily matter in many situations. Edit: In terms of weight, if you're not using a massive water cooling loop it doesn't become unmanageable for most people.
@@TheAmazingRando-z6t I hear that, used to carry my 17" CRT plus PC about 2 miles across town most weekends. Not sure my back could take that these days!
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I have a dual system pc. Number 1 reason is a space saving measure. I dont have the room to plop a second case around my desk and I wanted a second system. Speaking of, the reason I have a second system is for server hosting for games, I do want to make it also a little storage NAS but havent gotten around to it. Number 2 reason I did it was cause I thought it was cool, I just wanted to. I had old hardware lying around the I was kit bashing together into a server, and I found that the only major investment I needed, aside from the dual system chassis, was an itx board for the server. My pc is now freaking heavy and I haven't even water cooled it yet like I want to. But I do find it interesting and fun to use. If I ever have the space I'd love for an actual home rack server and then ill do away with my dual system, but for now it's a fun project.
Great video Paul. Love it when you’re doing stuff. Actions speak louder than words.
I still vividly remember Cooler Master's HAF Stackers series a while back! Love the modular design for dual PC setup or extra spaces for other parts!
I am gonna say this flat out. If you build with purpose and not form over function 2 systems 1 case can work phenomenally. My wife and I had a Mountain Mods UFO dual ATX build and it was fantastic never had any issues period. But you have to build with a little bit of forethought on cooling ,accessible maintenance ,and weight.
5:59 wait for it ... enjoy the parade. That part made the video that much more worth it. Cheers!
I built a dual system in a single case recently and while it was fun to do and I enjoy it....I am finding it difficult to find a practical use for it lol.
Solid Video. I'm using TrueNAS for my system and I actually water cooled it in the Antec 1200. using x6 8TB drives in RAID Z2.
This is your bi-weekly reminder that Paul apparently lives in the dustiest place on earth.
yep dust build up is odd, I can choose to not clean mine for 2 years and not even get close to what he had here.
4:14 Ah yes the, "Tim Taylor," logic. MORE POWER!! *Tim Allen grunts*
I started sneezing just watching this. OK maybe not just this, allergy season here in Texas.
One of the main reasons I have two PCs is so I'll always have one working while I'm fixing the other. I can't imagine working on one PC without looking things up in the internet with the other.
this guy. everyone laughed at me for bulding my second pc. this is the reason.
I have the same case for my NAS. Fractal Design makes new trays for 8GB+ drives.
Since I didn't want to wait, I wedged a piece of bike air chamber between the drives in each tray. It works perfectly.
Just adding a reason for dual PC cases. Reuse and restore. With many of us accumulating old PCs not in use, running igpus or non powered GPUs on them could make for some light weight processing and rather than dual booting different OS' you could just run the two systems at once networked together. (Windows 10 does not play nice with proprietary 2014 hardware).
Putting them in the same case the size of a midtower or smaller would be awesome.
14:41 well, _that_ was stupid ...
you could have just
- mounted the drives that you put on the outside of the brackets inside of them as well
- which is how these brackets are intended to be used anyway (for the 3x2 max config)
- stick a piece of foam between the labeled drive sides that are then facing each other
=> free additional vibration dampening
=> no need for sketchy blue tape abuse
=> profit
When I was a service tech and engineer in a data system there were several machines running dual or quad systems in the same case because limiting connections cables resulted in computers having no to less latency communicating between systems that needed to talk with each other on a constant basis for applications that ran and/or monitored industrial processes, a very unique situation. I personally have no need to do it. The longer the run of ethernet cables the more voltage drop and signal degradation where signal boosting machines/equipment would be needed. Again a very unique situation. And to say the least the machines in questions were next to or on top or under the multi PC case of the storage rack to shorten any and all connections. :)
yea the 1000d being heavy is an understatement i love mine...even though ive yet to order the fittings so i can finsh the damn thing
You could put it on a wood platform with wheels, i have mine on one and it make super easy to move it. It's way easier to move my main (1000d) PC and vacuum around it than my second system (old small mid tower prebuilt)
The real advantage of multiple PC's in one chassis comes in the server space with blade servers, where you can take out (and make redundant) the common things like fans, power supplies, etc, and have a bunch of compute blades in the chassis and everything is just slide in/slide out. I was lazy with my NAS, HP had one of their deals on HP MicroServers where old gens were down to 100 pound with rebate, so I have two of those. Low powered CPUs but fine for plex and four hotswap drive-sleds and nearly silent in a cute little cube.
freenas/zfs doesn't require you to plug drives back in to the same ports. zfs uses the drive's uuid to register it to the pool which is pretty fantastic if you transplant drives from one server to another.
I’d do a dual system/single case set up for gaming and streaming. Sure, it’s a big case but it’s all about the convenience of having everything set up together. If I ever seriously consider doing it, I’ll build in the 1000D for sure.
There's a few other cases that also support it. Iirc the p500a does as well.
I don't know myself, I don't do either, but I think Jays2Cents did a video and came up with modern hardware can do both at the same time as long as you're not trying to max out both, just set it for level 4 instead of 5 (my phrasing, not his) and there'll be enough resources for both...
I have a dual system in a Phanteks P600S and a revolt X 1200 watt PSU. There are ups and downs. for me its space saving, and the fact I don't have to tab out of a game when talking on discord. I built mine recently though and definitely one of the main reasons you stated at the beginning of the video is true. I wanted all the power as it was always my dream as a kid to have an awesome gaming PC. Now I can't upgrade my system any further (besides ram). So I bought the bracket for phanteks cases and then upgraded PSU and added a smaller ITX board mainly used for office work or discord calls etc. Works well and I can set the mini system up to video capture my older game consoles if I want to record them when I play.
Scared me there for a moment with "... my name is Paul and this is MY HARDWARE!" 😅
Welcome to Paul's hardware...
...after dark 🍆
I found myself in a similar situation when I built a chenbro NR12000 (after watching craft computing) I tried to populate it with a couple seagate exos drives, well they don't use the same mounting (they use the extended spacing, the server chassis used the middle mounting). So I had to (and still have to) take out the drive mounting brackets that are riveted and screwed in and drill out new mounting holes for one of the sets of mounting screws. (I did 1 tray, have 2 more to do)
a friend of mine just built in this case, Fractal had to do a revision to the HDD brackets because of exactly the issue you ran into but you'd never know cause all their documentation still shows the old ones.
Seeing Paul with computer hardware bits in (presumably) his wife’s Sephora cardboard box is very relatable.
Eh i still love the 1000d and intend to build a dual system in it, the reason why is the 1000d has the capability to and id much rather use it to the fullest extent. plus failures arent a major problem since ill be having the pc in the room and more regularly cleaning it. Finally ill divide the cables as best i can since the 1000d has the room to the only problem is the fans but its not much of a problem. Overall i think 2 systems in one case certainly can work in a different scenario then pauls. overall a great video though! I'd love to see a new build in your old 1000d
…. Im a streamer, having the encoder pc in the gaming rig at the same time is priceless to me …
my brother had a Xeon + K6000 workstation and a 4770k 780ti in his cooler master cosmos ii some years back, it was glorious, he's built tall and heavy so moving it around wasn't much of problem, we maintained it well so we had no problems if at all with her and it was air cooled [as were the times], upgraded it in 2012 then finally in 2014 [k6000 to m6000 i don't remember if it was the other way round]
but this is also true, we sold it because we got fed up with the weight and generally lugging it around, great thing is it retained much of its value tho.
I had the same HDD mounting issue when I got some 8TB hard drives (HGST Deskstar NAS) a few years ago. Had a Rosewill Thor V2 case - it only had the closer-spaced screw mounts, not the wider ones. (Some of my older HDDs, for example I think some 5TB and maybe 4TB drives, had screw holes for all 3 screw positions.)
I ended up getting another case entirely - the Fractal Design Define R5, which solved that issue. (It still didn't solve the issue of running out of drive bays, though... sometimes I've wanted to plug like 20 or 30 drives into the same system, and I don't really want, nor have a place to put, a rackmount case.)
I am in the process building the MetallicGear Neo Cube, back side for streaming front gaming and content. So far so good, anyway it has been a fun build so far. Love your channel hope mine gets even half as good as yours. stay safe
I do appreciate you showing your PCs in a realistic state! Bit dusty and a bit bodged here and there to keep things running, basically like the rest of us :). I should really pull my fileserver out and remove the dust bunnies now that I think of it... :P
Node 304 is a pretty old case these days but it's still one of the best for a self build NAS. Not super easy if you need to swap out a bad drive, but not too bad either as Paul showed, the drives are reasonably accessible. I have a 4 drive TrueNAS build in the black version and it's great, although my drives are only 4TB ones so they fit okay in the caddies.
I must be psychic. "Node 304" was the first thing that came to mind when you said you were transplanting your FreeNAS server into a new case. It really is a good choice for a small NAS build.
Paul can you do a updated video on setting up a freeNAS build and set up, highlighting what it can be used for and such. Would be good to see how freeNAS has changed over the years.
I have a 1000D and had the same setup with the NAS on the ITX board below. I also ran a custom loop on the main system. It was very nerve-wracking with the drives below all of the watercooling hardware. I did the same and removed the NAS system into a Cerberus X (love the handle). I've had better sleep since.
in a previous job as a desktop support guy I can't tell you how many times we strapped SSD's into older computers using gaffer's tape because we didn't have the proper adapters available.
G'day Paul,
I really like that Fractal case, it was their first I built in for a Friends Wife's Work PC.
I was so impressed by the Quality that I now have my Work PC (Focus G - needs ODD) & Gaming PC (Meshify C Mini) in Fractal cases as well 🥰
I came across this video two years after it was published because I am considering a dual system and I'm doing a lot of research before I decide. You make a lot of good points and have given me a lot more to think about. My use case is quite different. I would never risk putting my storage backups in a situation like this. I am going to be using the main system for a daily driver and gaming. The smaller, secondary system will be for streaming, recording, and for my neice and nephew when they come over. They can both play on my computer without fighting over it because it's really two computers. They can sit side by side and chase each other around in Rocket League, Roblox, and Fortnight. I don't have a lot of space for two computer but this case takes up about the same volume as two cases. The footprint is smaller than having two mid towers but it is way taller and deeper. I really didn't think about one system taking down both of them. That is a huge disadvantage. I'm glad I saw this video before buying a dual case and thanks for putting it out there. I never would have thought of a lot of this stuff until it was too late. Cost is another big one. This "super" tower is over $500 and I can get two midtowers for half that price. So the case is four times as expensive as just buying two separate cases. Buuuut... I really like the idea of it and it would save me a bunch of space in my little room. Also, I still play MMOs and I do enjoy two-boxing. I can two-box with separate machines but this would be ...
...decisions, decisions.
Thanks again for pointing out the cons. This video might have saved me a bunch of money and headache.
Another use for doing 2 PCs in the same case that I can think of is for those that want a Dual PC stream setup, where one is dedicated to the gaming and the other dedicated to the streaming where the PC's won't have items outside of the build dependent on it. This would also fit a case where they wouldn't need to have their own power supply. Even dual PC streaming setups have their complexities and quirkiness that some tend to shy away from doing that.
I agree that doing a PC and NAS in the same case wouldn't be a good use case for that.
Yep, that was my plan with my currently unfinished and now pretty outdated Phanteks 2 in 1 case. I didn't have the energy to do streaming and I was trying to get 2 of my older separate PCs into one. It actually works, I just never got around to properly finishing cable managing and securing everything into place.
With modern hardware you don't need a dual PC setup anymore. A 5900 with a 3080 (if you could find one) should be able to take care of both gaming and streaming. You also save money by not needing a capture card. I know there are ways around the capture card but I think the quality is not as good as having one. The main quirk with a dual PC setup is the ability to talk to your team if multiplayer gaming and being able to talk to your chat. The gaming mic needs to be on the gaming PC and the chat mic needs to be on the streaming PC. Some streamers just use two mics.
@@andrews.9286 That's true. The hardware has gotten to where dual PC stream setups aren't necessary.
Was thinking of dismantling my series x and installing it in my current case with my pc. Setting up the extra rgb/light mode button as to make a on/off switch for the xbox.
I would have to reroute some things and add a few fans just to increase airflow in the case to compensate for the 2 systems. The amount of airflow that is needed for the xbox really isnt that much.
Only reason is for all of this is as you stated, space. The simple fact is that I have limited space for both systems in my current set up. My wife has only allocated me so much room and I feel a bit cluttered as is.
I would be voiding warranties and all that but it seems like a fun little project that might work flawlessly or be an absolute disaster. More to think about i guess
Additional Reason: Very Close Network Ports. 10G SFP+ Network Card + Short Copper Direct Attach Cable is quite inexpensive as data center retired hardware. No switch required.
I'm doing my first build right now using this case for a dedicated recording/streaming pc on a mini itx and dedicated gaming pc. Not going to use any water cooling for now though.
Very good assortment info all wrapped up in one package video!! Thanks. Not a fan of water / liquid cooled systems in any case for me, as it just seems to be trying to mate two different species. So many bad things are possible. With enough volume, air will do for my needs.
Just last weekend I took my rig apart (a Meshify S2) for the same reason. For the case, which is black, I used wet wipes to clean it out and they work very well on the rubber gromets - the build looks brand new if you give a good enough wipe down.
This guy...
Is awesome 😎
If your drives don't fit in older Node 304s, please contact Fractal support. They can ship updated trays.
I have a Lian Li dual PC desk case with one PC in it, so no complaints here Paul.
Glad I'm not the only one to label sata cables/drives with painters tape before a rebuild, also happy you addressed the water res over your NAS drives, that was so triggering to me 😜
I used to have a dual monitor set up, but there's a glitch when drawing on the particulat graphics tablet I like that caused it to ocassionally jump monitors and screw up the stroke. So naturally I did the obvious thing and built a dual pc set up so I can still watch UA-cam while I draw. Great idea. Another reason to have a dual pc is I only have one water cooling loop.
I ran into the same drive mounting issue when I recently built my little NAS in the CoolerMaster Elite 130. After some investigation, I learned that several years ago they (whoever "they" is) pushed the spacing out for higher capacity drives (e.g. your 8TB drives and my 10TB drives - I only have 2 of them, though). Since the mounting points in the CM 130 could also double for SSDs, I was able to kind of kludge my way through it, but it was irritating. I even emailed CoolerMaster to see if they made different brackets, but got no response. P.S. I would definitely not recommend the Elite 130 for this purpose... or at all, I think... the power supply hanging over the cpu really limits what you can do for cooling where, even if it fits, a good portion of the intake is blocked. Definitely should have used the 304 you showed here :)
As a two pc one case owner ( 1000d case to be exact ), I concur on these issues. One the pc is super heavy, forunately I have the pc rested on my music rack that have casters so its alot easier to move around. Second, my itx motherboard have failed on me three for the year and a half I've had this case. Troubleshooting became a huge pain because I had to driain the loop that was connected to the itx board everything time I had to troubleshoot. I enjoy the looked of my build but if I have one more psu cable, motherboard or gpu failure I will split them up in two separate cases.
Build my Unraid server on a Node 304 earlier this year. Aside from cable management problems, especially once you have 4 to 5 disks, it is a good case for a NAS.
Thx for the good content. About the hard drives.... Did you notice, that the space on the newer drives between the horizontal screw holes are the correct size for your case mount? So why don't change from vertical to horizontal mount? The space should be there as I saw at your close shoot footage.
Silverstone DS380 is a great little NAS case. 8 hot swappable trayless 3.5" so you don't have to worry about hole pattern plus 4 fixed 2.5". Would mean jumping to SFX(L) for the PSU, but very worth it.
Both sets of mounting holes are part of the same standard (SFF-8301), and have been for quite a while (at least dating back to 2010, from what I've found, but I'm fairly confident they go back way further than that) though almost every drive I've seen has either the ones your Toshiba has, or both. I checked through my pile of drives, some of which are positively ancient IDE drives and I couldn't find any that have only the hole pattern your WD Red has, I did however find an ancient Fujitsu IDE HDD that looks like it has all six holes
Are the Reds shucked perchance? I seem to recall reading those sometimes have a less common hole pattern, because...reasons... I guess...
I enjoyed that video Paul! Awesome 👌
As for your HDD mounting problem you could attempt to create some brackets on your own or perhaps reach out to a local machine shop, or maybe a school for machining or fab/welding. They would probably not even charge you and it would benefit students who get to create the parts. Thanks Paul and keep up the good work.
I've got a HP server tower from work, which i have intended for NAS down the line, but my holy crap the thing is HEAVY.. I do TOTALLY understand how Riptide were a hassle to move around :)
That FreeNAS relocation makes me want to relocate my server from my mid-tower case (Cooler Master CM 690 ii) into an itx case like that so, following your other video's advice, I can finally get it off the floor haha. I clean it fairly regularly since there are 2 cats that love to shed in the house, but I'd like to clean it less often since it's a hassle.
A company I worked for did build a dual-system unit for a RIP and digital proofing system. The main PC ran the RIP software and that was sent via the second NIC-port to the secondary PC which ran the output software for the imaging unit. The main PC ran Windows NT server at the time, and the output device ran Solaris and proprietary software for the imager. As far as doing this for a personal system, I'm not sure of the usefulness outside of dual purposes such as a NAS-box and PC all in one unit.
I think fractal design has updated it's Node 304 design to accommodate the new hard drive screw locations. You should be able to contact their support and get new ones.
Hey Paul, love your content, could you do some more Home NAS related content please? Thank you, and again, love your content!
13:18 What is this Alphacool branded card you're putting into the PCIe slot?
When I clean my system as well as Paul, once completed...all is right with the world!!❤
im going to comment before watching the video: i have a corsair 900D case that i custom built. the CASE. it holds 2 FULL ATX boards, 2 FULL ATX-size PSUs, 2 big GPUs, big stack coolers, extra fans. and it works amazingly well. one rig runs my sim racing setup, and the other rig is for general gaming and adobe work. i did it this way to save space on 2 systems that i was needing anyway
I think dual systems was a really cool idea that no one found an actual use for. It could be useful if you needed two low end systems, like a NAS and a Streaming/External capture PC or a file sever and a tor node, stuff you'd leave on 24/7 and rarely touch. You'd potentially save a lot of money and space doing a dual system for that kind of thing, without pushing the cooling capacity to it's limits, but for 99% of people it just seems like something you want to do for fun, rather than makes practical sense
Me with multi system in a server rack and dedicated airflow. Yeah multi system is great, you can exhaust heat and manage airflow efficiently. In your room, you can control where you want something hot and where you keep things cool.
I have two systems in one case. Phanteks enthoo pro 2 is the case I used. Small itx build which I use for streaming, and for game server hosting. Then my main rig full size atx which is water cooled. Only space I have in my computer room would be on the floor for another pc, and I hate putting pcs on the floor dust magnets. Ironically was actually cheaper for me to do this as I didn't have to buy another case, more fans, and another power supply. Just bought the power splitter from Phanteks.
Hi Paul, I took a break from computers during the shortage, with the GPU burnout and other shortages. Just made it around to see what your up to.
The reason I'd get a case that big would be radiator overkill, I own a Phanteks Enthoo Luxe, and it was a good idea for a bunch or drives and a radiator. Although there are things about the case I don't like, it's fine for what I need.
Anyways, thanks for the content.
Ty for showing Case to mobo connections those be the scary ones yet no one ever films it!!!
I used the Phanteks PSU and Evolve X to put NAS and watercooled gaming system into one case. It sucked! The PSU does keep the power on for the PCIe and auxiliary power cables and will run your RGB on the gaming system and kick your fans on the gaming systems GPU to high gear, because it does not get power form the mainboard, but from the PCIe cables. I solved it with changing that to a waterblock, but the system would still get power. It only works if both systems have to run at the same time. I completely agree with your decision, Paul.
Yea, I have dual case build using 1000D and it’s not for everyone. Fortunately my use case supports this config but over the years of the build and reading normal users post during that time it definitely would not be practical for many. I’m a developer, programmer, cyber defender, normal daily driver, and all the soho requirements needed in my case. I have two boards, one intel and the other thread ripper, two psu, and a bunch of cables. Last year I was going to water cool but then all the supply scalping happened which turned me off in buying.
I game only a little but wouldn’t mind a change since I’m older and have all my college and gathering work experience - which takes dedication in your job instead of gaming all day - so gaming sounds fun since it’s hard to do anything outside the city due to Karen’s and covid restrictions.
Love your videos and think your configurations are very sound. Cheers
Yo Paul been watching your videos since 2015. You were the first tech tuber I started watching. You taught me how to build PCs. You are a tried and true tech tuber. Super intelligent well spoken with a broad vocabulary, very articulate when doing build videos and tech news and the like. I will always be subscribed until you no longer do this anymore.
I think Thermaltake w200 has one the best dual system cases, but it is a very large case. It keeps both systems separated making working on each one easier without having to tear the system apart.
I had the same problem with WD Red drive screw locations in a Define R5 - the only way to mount them on the trays was back to front so they hung over the edge a bit, and probably contributed to the vibration noise that drove me insane until I moved all the hard drives to my old system and set it up as a file server.
My Corsair 1000D case I installed casters to the bottom of it so it's very easy to move about if I need to. I got them from an old office chair and they work perfectly for it. I also put them under my 5000D cases as those are pretty heavy also.
I have mine on a wood platform with wheel, yeah super easy to move around.
@Paul's Hardware , if Fractal are still making the Node 304, perhaps they have modified those HD brackets over the years. Perhaps you should touch base with FD and find out.
I have the Thermaltake Core v21 mATX chassis. A nice little cube case that has stacking capabilities. I believe the new Divider 200 is the refresh of that case. As a cube you can swap the sides around to orient as normal, inverted or flat. A good amount of room for well laid out custom loop.
Please do a Free NAS how to as well as the setup. This is missing from the common channels- great opportunity.
You wired up one of your dogs as a roaming radar station ? Very cool.
Does it operate like a ring doorbell ?
those drives needed to be rotated, the screw holes are standard. those grommets mount to drive SIDE holes then slide in chassis slots.
Counterpoint
Stackable, lockable cases, IIRC there was a coolermaster HAF vase family that had a small ITX case that could be the base for a large EATX case
I thought mine was fine. I did a PC and my unraid build in a Enthoo Pro 2 with Phanteks Revolt dual system PSU.
While you're at it, FreeNAS has converted to TrueNAS ... a FREE upgrade that went well for me. Beautiful dashboard and functionality. .. Tom Lawrence has how to videos. Wendell? Maybe.
Fractal had the wide mount drive trays for my R4 case. They may be able to help with your disk caddy. Typical Fractal - didn't charge me for 2 spare trays for a seven year old case.
This is why you need a 3D Printer Paul... I've printed adapters or cases for drives as needed. VERY VERY Handy.
I looked at doing a dual build for a while. I think for me it was purchasing the ITX board as well as included SATA headers. However, a big tower would have given me a lot of drive space. 🤷♂️. In the end, we moved and I put in a small network rack and a shallow server case.
regarding 304 and the 3,5" drives. I think you can just move the rubber insterts from the hard drive brackets to the other opening right beside the stock one and use the black screw hole on the hard drive
That large opening is how you slip the rubber dampeners into the mounting bracket
@@feronanthus9756 you are totally right
@@feronanthus9756 maybe put a big washer there and use the hole with rubber dampener anyway?
Hey I had a question about the case, I bought one myself and am also wanting to do a custom water cooled pc (first time building one) but I wanted to go super over kill with 4 x 480mm radiators (2 on top and 2 in the front) but the biggest issue I'm seeing is which reservoir/pump combo. I'm worried I'm not going to get a strong enough pump but the 2 top radiators are going to be just for the CPU and the 2 front ones are just for the GPU so ill need a pump that's strong enough to push the liquid through 960mm of radiator. I've been trying to do research but I have no idea what most of the stuff means and not many content creators make custom water cooled pcs.
I agree with the other commenters here, regarding seeing a video showing the setup of a NAS build. I would like to setup a NAS for rigs. Even if it's a series of multiple videos. I would love to see the entire process, from selecting the components, building the rig, downloading, installing, and setting up the software, to include what settings need to be changed on the "other" PCs in order to have them be able to access the NAS and send data and/or other files to it for archival purposes.
Personally, as someone who has never considered needing/having a NAS setup, I am not ashamed to ask for some hand-holding on how to setup this very important, and often neglected, component of a home network. I currently have three PCs in my home network; one for gaming, one for streaming, and one for mining. The gaming PC is also currently used for paying bills and other household budgeting duties. I want to change that, and adding a fourth PC dedicated to home budgeting duties seems like a possibility.
I have heard of Free NAS, but know nothing about it. I recently began researching it and its usage, but still do not have a basic understanding of the process. If anyone has some reputable sites for researching Free NAS, and other options, I would love to hear about them.
Back in the late 2000s my uncle built a x4 pc he named "The LAN Cube"
I was only 8 or 9 while it was in use, but me and my cousins could play games like Call of Duty 4 or Left 4 Dead sitting around a cards table basically. It was kind of epic. I really wish I knew the specs.
I did learn a few things. Thanks Paul🙂
I LOVED this video Paul, thanks for making it!
Great video Paul, I'm now thinking that I really should clean my NAS. I had a "temporary solution" in my build and it's been about 10 months...
Great video I have been planning to build a system in the Phanteks XL Mini for awhile and its a dual system case. The case was on sale from 179.99 down to 99$ on newegg i figured it was a good deal on a dual system case.
I did weigh your cons, make sure I'm not jumping into a poop fest.
weight - Not a big issue I have had a few alienware area 51's, and my home NAS is in a hefty 1U.
1 goes down they both go down - Whelp I wanted to do two PSU's and the system has two power locations so I hope that's not the situation, but this is likely the only issue I can see.
Pump issues - Haven't used water cooling in years, I like the look of big oversized coolers.
But you make good points. You try PC ideas, if you dont like them, you put down the negatives and normally don't go back. Its why I stopped water cooling. I have had good Noctua or Cooler Masters coolers be used for 10 plus years like build after build with no issues. But I have always had issues with Water Coolers after the three year mark especially if they are not well kept.
Don't worry Paul I will keep the system off the floor tho!
Maybe I will need to revisit this in three years if the dual system turns out to be a mess.