Theology is an AWE some academic & spiritual pursuit, which I continue to pursue. Pastor Vlad Savchuk, it seems as you are channeling the mysterious Holy Spirit. TRULY Amazing! Even as Christians start a prayer: Father Son is 1 then 2, followed by 3 & 4, For the holy ghost. btw my Buddha icon, represents similar, as grounded firmly in PAST, in PRESENT good deeds "up the yin yang 2 achieve a nirvana". Yet the FUTURE is ... You have the Gift. Please continue to Share!
If someone thinks he could lose his salvation, then he should not lose it. But If someone thinks he cannot lose his salvation, then he should live it. Pastor Vlad, I think both are extreme views and could not be perfectly consistent with God’s word. No one can be absolutely deterministic nor absolutely free. So I would rather walk in the middle of the road to avoid both ditch on the left and on the right, and treat God’s sovereignty and man’s free will as both wheels working for each other to bring us to our destination. 😊
I am not completely a calvinist, but I will say that it is not so much that God chooses who goes to Hell, but that God chooses who goes to Heaven. Everyone because of our sinful nature was going to hell, but God elected from humanity those who He has chosen to go to Heaven. So it is more like God chooses who goes to Heaven, than God chooses who goes to Hell because we were all going to go to hell, but now a few of us aren't We evangelize because we do not know who the chosen are, we evangelize to the lost and let Holy Spirit touch the hearts of those who He chooses. God doesn't commit evil, the devil does, but God lets it happen. The Book of Job is a perfect example and a perfect look into how evil deeds are allowed to take place. The devil gets approval from God over every evil he commits because God is sovereign and nothing happens without God's approval. also Isaiah 45:7 in the KJV states that God creates evil, " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Evil is not a part of God's nature. God does not perform evil, He simply allows it. The devil getting permission from God shows you that the devil cannot do whatever he wants, he is subjected to God like everyone else. I am not a full on calvinist so I do believe that there is free will, but that God is sovereign. God chooses the elect, but the elect can freely choose to stay saved or not. Man freely chooses to commit evil, but God could stop them from committing the act but instead He lets it happen. The Bible does not contradict itself, the truth lies in the middle of both Calvinism and Arminianism. In the Bible we see people have free will, and we also see God's will every now and then override people's free will. The people of Israel freely choose to serve other idols, but God decided to fight for them and draw them to Him. You are right Jesus died for the whole world meaning His sacrifice on the cross is enough to save all of humanity, but only a few will be saved because only a few are chosen. Mathew 22;14, "For many are called, but few are chosen."
Why do people assume if you're not Calvinist you're Arminian? I'm neither. I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ. I see positives and negatives on both sides so i look to the Bible for guidance and trust Jesus instead of man.
I agree, I don’t understand why you need to pick a side. These are 2 men’s opinions… it blows my mind how people can leave the church because they don’t agree on one side… it’s caused so much division I don’t understand it. But when he said Calvinist’s are rude he’s right. Some of them are puffed up when they claim they are one of Gods elect… I don’t think that is Christ like at all. But I agree with 80% of their views…
Also there are other forms of Soteriology than these two. Lutheranism would claim to have Soteriology that differs from both of these. Plus, classic Augustinianism is different then modern Calvinism. There's a debate as to whether classic Calvinism and Augustinianism we're just the same.
@@danielblakeney7575 Leighton flowers has a great channel on soteriology. Molonism is also in there somewhere. Granted that starts falling into Catholicism but either way it is a great subject. A infinite god is hard for a finite mind to grasp on to
With love as a sister in Christ it's because of biblical confusion. We all should be iron sharpening iron and continue to research every jot and tittle of the Word. It matters when witnessing to others, we want to share the truth not a mystery. For me, please I speak in love, personally I need clarity, understanding and seeking wisdom. I'm not a Calvinist. I don't want to witness to people saying, "God wants everyone to be saved" but then tell them they may already be pre-damned. Seems to go against scripture and the Almighty. Im overjoyed you're right in Christ. God tells us to question and seek wisdom 🕊️🙏
I can only speak from experience. When I first decided to walk down the aisle of a small Christian non-denominational church and receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior I was completely ignorant when it came to the Bible or salvation. I had come from a dirty background of alcohol, drugs, nightclubs, and one night stands. My faith at the time stood firm on science which up until that moment had been led by deep study into physics emphasizing on general relativity and quantum mechanics. I understood these concepts very well, but I also realized science couldn’t save my soul so that’s when I turned to the Word of God. I had been raised a Catholic, by tradition not choice, but I never found interest in religious dogma. To me their ritualistic approach to matters of faith were dull and boring, I was more interested in the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom. After having received Jesus in Oct of 91, I was told by the pastor that I was now saved and on my way to Heaven; really? That’s it? I didn’t feel any different, my thoughts, motives, and attitude remained the same. I decided that I wasn’t going to just take this pastor’s word, I was going to do my homework. I had to, my soul and my eternal future depended on it and I was a person that needed certainty! I decided to purchase the King James Bible on CD and listen to it on all those wasted hours driving back and forth to work in rush hour traffic. Travel time to work was an hour, an hour lunch which I spent in my car eating a sandwich out of a small cooler, and the hour drive back home. That was 3 hours of Word a day 5 times per week. That’s a lot of Word! This went on for little over 3 years where not only did I have scores and scores of scriptures memorized, but also entire CHAPTERS memorized verbatim word for word. I could tell you what is in the Bible and what isn’t. I had a lot of Word in my head, not in my heart. This would change one Saturday morning March 25,1995. I was alone in my car at the beach listening to integrity Hosana Worship music, reading God’s Word, and loving Him with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength. I remember reading in Matthew chapter 5 to “love your enemies”, this was something I could never see myself doing! How can you love someone that’s causing you harm? I don’t understand this kind of love! I looked up to the sky and let my imagination, which by now was overflowing with love, run wild as to how beautiful it would be to be just like Jesus! Suddenly it happened, it really happened! I saw something open within my mind and all that Word I had accumulated for years poured into me removing the blinders from my eyes and giving me the knowledge of God! “Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.” (Proverbs 1:23) I was terrified, I felt the demons that lived in me and had been with me my entire life leap out of me with a hideous screech! How is this possible Lord, I thought, how can a mere man understand God? “My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.” (Proverbs 2:1-5) When I picked up the Bible and began reading it something was now different. I had always read and listened to the Bible as a 3rd person, in other words, this apostle is writing to this other apostle, this scripture doesn’t apply to me. For the very first time since I began my study of the scriptures did I realize the scriptures were speaking directly to me! The Words were like 3D, a hologram! Who is this 3rd person I keep imagining? Every scripture, every parable I didn’t seem to understand was as plain as if I was reading a children’s book! This is when I could see the utter Perfection of God’s Word and the inerrancy of scripture. The only way to describe what had just happened to me was “HOLINESS” had entered me! “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs9:10) So you may be asking yourself, how does my testimony relate to this video? Well it seems to me it’s quite obvious. There is only one Jesus, the one revealed in scripture. Jesus and the written Word are ONE AND THE SAME. There is no other way to God except through His Word! It is the Word that gives you the SPIRIT: “It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.” (John 6:63) You must be BORN AGAIN of the Word: “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23) When you read the following passage with those Words in 3-D jumping out of the pages you will come to the realization that the Bible is speaking of itself! “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME.” (John 14:6) So this argument of Calvinism vs Arminianism is settled, EVERYONE can approach the scriptures the way I did, and EVERYONE can love God the way did, and God will reveal Himself to whom ever He sees is ready to receive His Truth. So the question is not which one of these two views is correct, but rather how much is the individual willing to do to love and find God! “If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.” (John 8:31-32)
God indeed reveals Himself to those who seek after Him. His word comes alive by His Spirit, bringing the Zoe life of God into the core of our being. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY you chose to take..... Again, choice is important in the life of a christian...
Technically, you were talking about your decision to follow Jesus after all the spiritual journey you've been through. That's free will. Yes, you don't have to label it as Arminianism or whatever. But use of free will (decision) to follow Jesus is what Arminians believe. Lots of believers don't even know they hold on to the Arminian theology including me, until last year when I started attending a reformed church and started to do a more in depth studies on both.
@@buencaminoph it wasn't until I finally got saved that i realized Reformed theology is true I tried to "choose God" and kept falling away it wasn't until God saved me, He regenerated me and then I now endure in the faith you can not endure by your free will, you need the Spirit and He remains with us until the end this whole idea of "choose to follow God, choose to remain in Christ" if that were true, no one would ever remain in Christ, we can only do it by the Spirit this video has many theological errors
Hello Brother Vlad. I am a Calvinist (at least a four point-still working through limited atonement). Appreciate your thoughts on this, it is helpful to see the Arminian position clearly stated. I have to say that not all of the Calvin positions are articulated accurately here (especially that you are representing double-predestination). I would encourage those who are interested in understanding the Calvinist position to take a look at Wayne Grudems Systematic Theology. It states, in an easy to read way, the Calvin understanding of scripture. I agree that Calvinists can be pretty aggressive in our defense of our theological understanding of scripture, and for that I am sorry. It is wonderful to have brothers and sisters all around the world, saved by Grace, through faith in our wonderful Lord, Jesus Christ. Happy to count you a brother and enjoy working through scripture in such a way. Appreciate your video.
I struggled working through limited atonement like you as well. I would recommend reading the death of death by John Owen, it is a hard read, but if you can take notes while reading it it will clear this doctrine up miraculously
Double-predestination is made up by calvinists. Keep working though, eventually you will have to come to terms with God authoring sin and your god being a moron that needs people to translate his words because when he spoke them, he didnt mean what he said.
I would recommend the Bible. When we look elsewhere for our answers and those answers are from sinful men, we get led astray. One of the main reasons we receive the Holy Spirit is for Him to help us understand what's written. I Cor.2:12 says, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words." When the Scriptures say Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (Jn.3:16), that is exactly what He means. The "world of the elect" is a made-up term to fit a made up principle. It is not based in Scripture. The Scriptures teach that adding or taking away from what God says is a big no-no. Prov. 30:5-6 says, "Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar." We need to stick to what it says and ask Him for His wisdom. James 1:5-6a says, "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting..."
@@derpywho1394 appreciate that Derpy. Of course we understand that Calvin and Arminius are interpreting scripture and that we have an ‘Acts 17’ responsibility to examine the scriptures to see if these things are so. I find it so encouraging to discuss these matters, even where we understand doctrine differently. We are sharpened in the scriptures as we discuss these things as brothers. And one day, all of our theology will be corrected as we worship at the feet of the one who has finished His work in us, to the praise of His glory. Blessings!
@@seantallent3676 I intend to read John Owen at some point. Soo many other books on the table though! Hoping to finally read my Josephus book soon as I enjoy reading the history of the times.
I wanted to mention, ive been Very damaged from this tension between Armenianism and Calvinism because of one of the guys in my church that I used to attend. Ive dealt with much doctrinal conflict before because of my mom and dad being of different denominations. Having said that, All this inner fighting can have an unhealthy effect on others outside of those beliefs and on their growth with with Christ Jesus, if so, please keep me in prayer Brother, thank you!
If you need encouragement from fellow man turn to John Lennox, pastor Mike Winger, and pastor Gene Kim. Those are who I turn to if I need clarity of something and need answers in these times were there are so many false teachings because of UA-cam(false prophets,etc), through music(Jesus Culture aka bethel), and yes, movies(The Chosen aka Mormonism, God's Not Dead).
Arminianism is also Calvinist - actually. U should go to the channel beyond the fundamentals and he explains these things so well and will really help recover ur faith
The nature that comes with Calvinism is vicious. They can be very hard, assertive, and rejecting. Don’t be fooled. It’s a stronghold of the enemy. I think it’s because their justification or election actually hinges upon their knowledge so we’re never perceived as reasoning but as accusing. Anyone who doesn’t mirror their so called “right knowledge” is a threat. Their theology is belittling and degrading towards mankind and they reflect that in the way they treat others. My advice, Just focus on lifting up Jesus. They need this most of all!
I'm so glad you talked about this! I was a Calvinist. I left in October. A friend of mine always picked on me for it and I challenged her one day and told her to explain to me Roman's 9. She did. She didn't put words in my mouth and she walked me through verse by verse and took me to the passages Paul was quoting. It was a four hour theological discussion that ended in tears and deliverance! It was not until I prayed to God for the truth AND humility that I saw the truth. Calvinism severely hindered my faith and my relationship with God. We need to start teaching the dangers of Calvinism. I fell for it because no one really talks about predestination besides Calvinists. Predestination is talked about in the Bible obviously but the Calvinist interpretation just is not correct. Pray for your Calvinist brothers and sisters! They can change. I did. :)
If Romans 9 did not have the interpretation that calvinist hold to then why does Paul make the statement below in verses 19-21? It's very obvious that predestination and election is up to God's choice and who are we to talk back and question God about it and that is the position and argument Paul makes. “You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?” Romans 9:19-21 NKJV
@josiahhowell6666 it was a question posed to Paul as to why Israel killed its messiah. God's will was to save and Isreal needed to be blinded to fulfill the prophecy. If we're blind from birth, you can't blind a 2nd time. If one has no eyes there'd be no reason to speak in parables if the pharasees were already unable to see the truth. Calvinism is wrong
Is it possible to change what God knew from the beginning. Is God ever learning? Isaiah 46:10 Why is it necessary to make God fit into our tiny mold of understanding. God is to be accepted but not necessarily understood. Who can know the mind of God? 1 Cor. 2:16.
Woohoo!! Carlos! My brother, praise the Lord!!!! Oh! I just checked out your channel briefly! You speak Spanish too!! I’m from Dallas and have moved to Arkansas so I don’t get to practice my Spanish here as much anymore. What better way than to watch your amazing testimonies on your channel. 😊 Gloria a Dios! I’ve already subscribed! ❤
I didn’t expected to see you here, I like your videos, they remembered me a lot of things that I almost forgot, I’m still practicing what you taught in your videos, sometimes it’s hard but I know it requires discipline, I still struggle with homosexuality, but I know in God I will conquer this fight. God bless you
Soteriology is a great subject. It is worth checking out differing views. Either way Jesus is the god man and died for all of us and our sins. So yes not a calvanist but there still are some great preachers out there who are.
I am most definitely not a calvinist. Truly understanding your theology and the doctrine of where you worship really does matter imo. Blessings to all ❤️🔥
You don't know the Reform doctrine, therefor you don't realize that actually both camps practice the majority of the same doctrine. The differences are not a salvation issue. Best to be civil and love each other. I learned an equal amount of both and it is beneficial. 😃
I did not know about these two views but I can say that as a child I was given Calvinistic teachings. As I started seeking Jesus personally, I understood that it is not true.
I was a Calvinist before watching this and after watching this I am still a Calvinist. When I go to heaven, the difference between me and another person who went to hell won’t be that I had the good sense to choose God but it will be that God choose me out his rich mercy and grace, 100% God!!!!! God bless you all!
@@hdtn99 everyone by default is going to hell unless God saves them you do not deserve heaven, no one does Romans 3: ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God NO ONE seeks God, NO ONE understands you give too much credit for humans the fact that you can live 100 years and defy and hate God the whole time is a testament of His mercy and patience
So you were Brainwashed before you watched this video and you are still Brainwashed after watching this video! Actually, God never died for you...so how can you say you will be in Heaven..huh?
Me too, brother. Savchuck doesn't even understand the Bible let alone Reformed theology yet I still pray that God humbles down the pride of him and his church so they may see their vulnerable state I do believe they're siblings with Christ but they're in borderline heresy like I was until I became a Calvinist
Thank you for this! I’ve encountered many Calvinists and couldn’t begin to tell them how wrong they are on all of this. When you know God and His ways, you can easily spot how backwards Calvinism is from how God operates. I’ve also found many of them to be into intellectualism, which reeks of pride and arrogance
It's always the theologian, they don't know a thing except the lies satan has taught them, also a pastor that starts his title with Doctor, like now we bow, run,
You state that you couldn't begin to tell Calvinists how wrong they are on this subject. Just curious, did you provide those Calvinists with a sound, exegesis of scripture to show them their error? Because if not, then that was a very unloving thing to do. Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth (1 Cor 13:6).
@@EdwardThe2nd.yes I did provide scriptures to them. Trust me I did it in the most loving way possible. I could tell it wasn’t sitting well with them because they were getting upset (clearly a sign of demonic possession/affliction). Demons hate the truth and they would always try to pivot to other topics to get me to trip up theologically
@@BradyA7 Could you elaborate on the scriptures that you shared with them that prove that the doctrines of grace (doctrine of election) is a false doctrine?
I’m a Christist and believe God wants everyone because he loves us all as his word says. No one is brought to the cross that God did not draw to himself. His word is not called Good News for no reason. I stand with him being a loving and gracious Father who loves everyone he cared to create. Forget favoritism or random selection. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made.
So in other words, you’re a calvinist. Stop trying to misrepresent yourself, just be honest. No need to try to deceive. You just affirmed limited atonement, AKA the core tenet of Calvinism, AKA a heretical, demonic split off of true Christianity. Praying for you!
I believe in the points of Calvinism, because they are biblical. My confidence in my salvation is rooted in the sovereignty of God. My assurance to get through the day, and through this life are rooted in a belief that God saved me and keeps me. To be an Armenian I would be, depending on myself, as the decisive means of being saved, and to continue believing. That word, decisive is very important. Because if the ultimate decisive thing in being saved and staying a believer is me, then I am on very shaky ground. Who knows what could happen to me in the future that would cause me to decisively choose to walk away from God? Every person who believes in the free will of man in these ways, has to grapple with these questions. You simply cannot have any assurance that you are truly saved or that you will stay saved if you believe Armenian theology. Decisively it is on you and not God. You may be asking for help to believe from God today, but you might not tomorrow. And you don’t know the future. What you do know is that you are a sinner and the chief sin of man which sends them to hell is to decide to walk away from Jesus your savior. And you don’t know if you will ever do that in your lifetime. Because it is biblical, and because it brings the greatest comfort and assurance, I am a firm believer in the Bible’s explanation of how we get saved and stay that way. You can call it Calvinism if you want to, I just call it biblical salvation and assurance.
If you read the Bible from Genesis to Reverlation, it is very clear that humanity has free will and God punnishes them when they do wrong. But the fact of the matter is you don't need to believe in calvinism to have certainity in Christ. Christ's offer is for everyone and you just need to accept it. Utimately his offer isn't really about heaven and eternal life (although you will get those things), but about a relationship with him. The more you know about him, the more you want to be with him and the more time you spend with him, the more you want to know him. Calvinism gives a false impression of the love God has for humanity and the kind of being our God really is, why would you want to believe something that undermines just how good our God is.
@@markdurdle7710 My Friend, you’re basing your opinion on the Assumption that Man is basically good and that Man can understand the Spiritual need to repent, and he in and of Himself of his own volition has the knowledge and understanding and “Free Will” to choose to Accept Jesus. Am I wrong? You may remember in ( Romans 6: 15-23). Apostle Paul informed us that we are either “Slaves” to Sin or “Slaves” to Righteousness. Is this passage not true Brother? Where in that passage is Man’s “Free Will” to make His own Destiny? We are not born good ( Romans 3: 10-12) as some suppose. In ( Ephesians 2: 1-10 ) you read that we are all Spiritually Dead until God “Makes” us Alive in Christ. In (1st Corinthian’s 2:14) Apostle Paul advised us the We “CANNOT” understand things of the Spirit of God because we are Flesh. So the question is How can a “Spiritually Dead” Man do or even know how to Save Himself? Jesus said of the Spiritually Dead, “Let the Dead bury the Dead.” ( Luke 9:60 ) So since a Man cannot choose to Save Himself, how is one Saved? This is what Nicodemus was asking Jesus in ( John 3: 3-7) Jesus advised us the we must be Born again, did He Not? Born from above. A Man cant create Himself in the Womb and cause himself to be Born of Flesh the First Time, how can he be Reborn by the Spirit in and of himself the 2nd Time? Of Course the answer is it is Impossible. So how can a Spiritually dead person who knows nothing of Gods Spirit and is a Slave to Sin, become a Slave to Righteousness and be Pleasing to God? It’s called “ Regeneration” of the Spirit (Titus 3: 1-7) God gives us a new Heart (Ezekiel 26:36) ( Jeremiah 31: 3) ( Hebrews 8:10) This is what (Ephesians 2: 1-10) is talking about. So you see that a Man cannot Save Himself of his own so called “Free Will” and never would with out First God choosing to Save Him, Regenerating Him and then keeping Him (Ephesians 1:13) and ( John 10:27-29). My Brother, once a man has had his Mind opened to understand Scripture as JESUS did with His Apostles (Luke 24:45) and God “Grants” him repentance ( Acts 11:18) all of which is the result of His Regeneration by God, he will freely come to The Cross to be Saved. Not because he was coerced or forced, but because he was first chosen by GOD, drawn by GOD, given understanding by GOD, granted repentance by GOD and was washed in the Sacrificial Blood of Christ by GOD . The Man made “Free Will” doctrine puts Man’s choice at the center of His Salvation. Calvinism ( Reformed Doctrine ) put Jesus (God) at the Center, beginning and end of your Salvation. Please read ( Hebrews 12:2-4 ) with new eyes to see Brother, and you will see that when you found yourself having Faith in Christ and went to the Cross to be Saved, it wasn’t because YOU chose to have Faith, it was because God chose to give the Gift of Faith to YOU. Faith is not Man’s gift to God, it is Gods gift to Man. What’s more, is that you were chosen “before the Foundation of the World.” Ephesians 1: 4-6. Free Will doctrine is Self Centered and Humanistic and was born out of Man’s Pride. Reformed Doctrine is God Centered, God Honoring and giving God ALL Glory and ALL the Credit to GOD for HIS plan to redeem Men to Himself, by Himself, without the Help of Man. Remember what God said clearly in Isaiah 42:8? He will “not share His Glory with anyone else.” The Glory of God through Jesus Christ has nothing to do with The choice of SINFUL as Man could then boast! Salvation is Created by God and carried out by GOD. This is of the Sovereignty of GOD, not Man. This is why we Worship GOD as our Savior and Praise Him and Thank Him for HIS Mercy and Grace for Saving such Sinful Men as You and I. Do you have another question?
It's not impossible to believe that God can know the end from the beginning, and still allow free will. To know something is not to cause it, necessarily. Understanding free will is very important in understanding Scripture. For one thing, there can be no true love without it. To be free to NOT love, and to LOVE ANYWAY! THAT is true love. Therefore, free will is a key part of the logic, and the beauty, of the plan of salvation.
If God didn't grace you, then you'd still be a hater of God, dead in your sins. It's weird to say God "forced" salvation on you. That's like saying, "I changed my baby's dirty diaper forcefully." Where in fact, we are sinners who would prefer to roam around in our own dirty diaper, but God gave us something that is good.
So, if you saying that God is not the One who knew his people for whom he died for - (a specific,known and an 100% successful sacrifice) , you saying that Jesus Christ sacrifice could be in vain as He is waiting upon His creation acceptance for His sacrifice. Is the creation sovereignty over God, or the other way?
Reformed theology doesn't teach that God forces anything on anyone, nor does it reject free choice. Reformed theology affirms both human free will and the sovereignty of God. Humans can choose to believe or not believe, but it's just to say that God already knows what they will choose, because God is omniscient (He knows all things). God simply knows the end choice of all humans. That's very different from God forcing people. VERY big misconception that many people have.
@@johnnluc The way I wrapped my head around that (last question) is that God is indeed soverein - which is His authority/place and His choice to give us a free will is a function of that authority. The good news is that He works in us, always calling/knocking/inviting, but yes, we are still free to answer or not.
Use to be so confused by this but I’ve come to the conclusion both in my opinion and scripture, that Jesus knows who will choose him, he’s outside of time. I believe he takes his hands off free will. I am armini…. We can’t come to the father unless he draws us…. We don’t know who he will draw so we preach the gospel. But people have a choose, that’s where free will is….. he desires that NO MAN should perish. Jesus died on that cross for everyone… he loves everyone but already knows who will and won’t choose him.
welcome to the war ... pray all the time and monitor your thoughts ... always praising God for changing your heart and mind too look and sound like jesus
Grab a study Bible and read. Avoid any church that emphasizes entertainment and emotion over biblical exposition. You need to be fed the word.. the pastor is doing his duty if he teaches verse by verse through the Bible. Its a bad sign if they have a handheld mic in their hand instead of a Bible. You'll be 90% of the way there by following these two pieces of advice.
Thank you for this pastor! This has increased my understanding in some areas of other beliefs that are not in line with Gods’ truth.🙏 All praises be to God!
Shalom from Switzerland. You are absolutely right. We must beware of man made theology. God created man to have relationship both ways, not to Be a puppet in the hands of God.
Was raised Baptist with strong influence from Calvinism. During my time at college I got intrigued by it and everything within the realm of connection between intellectualism and faith. But only when I grew in experimental knowledge and got delivered from pride and religion, I really got discernment to see the trap within Calvinism. Personally, I decided not to question God's sovereignty and the free will of mankind at the same time. It is in the seemingly paradoxical where the tension arises and tension releases energy. Somebody advised me once to learn to live with the tension of unresolved spiritual principles for there is life.
I reached the same conclusion. Both are true, God is sovereign AND we have a choice to make. I do not understand how to make sense of all the passages supporting predestinarion, but the truth is in the tension as you say. Sometimes I wonder if God puts forward both teachings to prevent us going too far in either direction??
This is rather interesting to hear from you. What trap in particular are you referring to in terms of Calvinism? Additionally, would you rather remain in confusion or uncertainty regarding our Doctrines of Grace which are fundamental to the understanding and essence of our salvation? I’m not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate so I may understand your position more clearly, especially the “traps” that Calvinism sets
Great video! I was raised Mennonite. I despised my upbringing and started a party lifestyle in my teens and twenties. When I had enough of hopeless living, I repented and gave my life to Christ Jesus and have journeyed with God for 10 years now. I have been to many churches and have seen parts of Calvinism creep in to baptist, Mennonite, and many nondenominational belief systems. It’s detrimental. They don’t even value the importance of perusing the gifts of the spirit.
Can the sinner approach the throne of God without the draw of God? Is gods ones and God’s will defined the same? Is John 3:16 in the Greek telling us whosoever believes or whoever is believing? Acts 7:51 seems to state an active presence of rejection. Where is the mention of the draw of God in contrast? John 14:15 "If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments. Did he say you can keep? Is it optional? Lose salvation? Didn’t paul say nothing separate us from Christ?
@@AnaxofRhodes i don't have the energy to argue. I lost my job Friday so im dealing with that. But can we both agree that Christ is King and sovereign over all future happenings in our life?
@@HillbillyBlack Very sorry to hear that. Hope all pray you recover quickly from this. 🙏 Please don't spend too much time arguing. Christ is King, and God is Sovereign, yes.
@@HillbillyBlack It looks like I implied I was waiting for a response from you. My apologies. That was not my intention. What I meant was "I'm still waiting on the draw of God."
Sound insight, thanks for sharing, it is because of our free will we fell into sin, is through the same free will, God wants us to choose Him to be with Him eternally. Excellent content as always, thank you, Shalom from Malta🙏
Our free will would never choose God, we fell into sin, we can’t get up from up as we are dead in our sins. We need to be saved, a supernatural gift that happens completely unrelated to us
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” ~Jeremiah 29:13. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. ~2 Peter 3:9
IN ORDER FOR US TO SEEK GOD HE MUST FIRST CALLS US. FULL CONTEXT IS NEEDED HERE, AND EVERYWHERE.LET US PRAY FOR OTHERS AND HAVE MERCY ON OTHERS IN THE HOPES GOD SOFTENS ALL HEARTS AS MANY AS GOD WILL HAVE MERCY ON AND CALLS.....WITH LOVE FOR GOD ABOVE ALL THINGS AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER WHILE GODS DOOR IS STILL OPEN.. ..
@@mossymaple false doctrine. read scripture again :) mike winger has a good video to educate you on why your beliefs are incorrect and unbiblical. look up “Mike Winger- Calvinism” :)
Every time I’ve started to come closer to believing Calvinism, I’ve felt my soul dying because life and my decisions seem predetermined and ultimately out of my control.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 God's answer to that question is the only one that ultimately matters. We are all commanded to submit to Him and what He says in His Word. God’s Kingly Freedom/Sovereignty & Eternal Decree: Gen 1:1; Job 42:2; 1 Sam 2:25; 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Kings 11:23; Ezra 1:1, 6:22, 7:27; Neh 9:7; Josh 11:20; Dan 2:21, 4:17, 25, 34-35; 1 Chron 29:11-13; Ps 22:28, 24:1, 33:10, 47:7-9, 93:1-5, 96:4-10, 97:1, 99:1-5, 103:19, 105:7-11, 24-25, 115:1-13, 135:1-21, 139:16; Prov 16:1, 4, 9, 33, 19:21, 20:24, 21:1, 21:1, 30; Eccl 3:1-15, 11:5; Jer 32:27, 25:9; Isaiah 6:1-4, 14:27, 44:28, 46:8-11; Matt 10:29; Acts 17:26, 4:27-28; Eph 1:11; 1 Tim 6:15; James 1:13-15 God’s Perfect Omniscience & Infallible Foreknowledge: Job 28:24, 37:16; Ps 139:1-3, 147:5; Isa 55:8-9; Matt 10:29-30; Rom 11:33-34; 1 Cor 2:10-11; Heb 4:13; 1 John 3:20
All of your pain and suffering is either predetermined or accidental and God did not decree it to be. I am a predetermined creature that may have been made out of sin or not, and the actions of man does NOT change God having known me before the foundations of the world.
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation. What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
I think you confuse God being in control with God being in charge. God does not control our decisions. He gave us free will and choice. Therefore, we are allowed to choose if He is in charge of our lives. He does not control our choice of Him or the world. This does not take away from His Godhood of being in charge. He is the Creater and the Master. He does reign, but does not control like a puppetmaster.
@Jake P. The problem is not that we are not free to choose what we want, but that what we choose is severely limited by our desires. We freely choose to disobey God because that is all we want to do. Just as we cannot fly like Superman due to our physical limitations, we cannot obey God due to our spiritual limitations. We are free to choose all sorts of ways to disobey God, but we simply cannot choose to obey God without having our desires radically reorganized (some would say regenerated)-and we are powerless to do this on our own. Apart from God and left to our sinful selves, we will choose sin (Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3; Romans 3:10-12). Romans 8:5-8 identifies the spiritual limitations to our “free will”: “Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (emphasis added). From the context, it is clear that those who “live according to the flesh” are unbelievers. Their wills are in bondage to sin, and so sin is all they want to do. They cannot submit to God’s law. If this is the case, who then can be saved? “All things are possible with God” (Mark 10:27). The Lord so works in some to energize their spirits and give them a desire to repent and believe (see Acts 16:14). Sinners do not do this on their own but only under the convicting power of the Spirit. If it were otherwise, the saved could boast that they possessed some wisdom or moral superiority that caused them to choose to repent and believe when confronted with the facts, even while so many others continue to reject the gospel. But we are saved by grace, and no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). God is not obligated to save anyone (He has free will), yet He desires that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). He offers salvation to everyone (Titus 2:11) yet He will not force anyone to come to Him. By His sovereignty, unchanging character (Malachi 3:6), foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5) He predestines some to salvation. Others He allows to continue in rebellion-which is exactly what they want to do. In either case, people make real, uncoerced choices.
I was raised Calvinist. My understanding of predestination as it was taught is that God chooses who will be saved and there is nothing any of us can do about it. What I get from reading scripture is that predestination is another way of expressing the idea of foreknowledge. Because God is not bound by time, He already knows who will be saved. Predestination seems to contradict 1 Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9, and we supposed to use the full counsel of God. To paraphrase, God wants everyone to be saved, so why would he deny them the opportunity to choose?
@Ryan Kelly Certainly, since God knows everything, it would have been possible for God to base His predestination and election of individuals upon His foreknowledge of the future. In fact, that is the exact position that many Christians believe, as it is the Arminian view of predestination. The problem is that it really is not what the Bible teaches about predestination, election, and foreknowledge. The view that “God made His choice based on merely knowing the future” is not what the Bible teaches. For it is certainly true that God foresees faith; He foresees all that comes to pass. The question would then simply be: whence proceeds this faith, which God foresees? And the only biblical answer is that the faith which God foresees is the faith He himself creates (John 3:3-8; 6:44, 45, 65; Philippians. 1:29; 2 Peter 1:2). Hence His eternal foresight of faith is preconditioned by His decree to generate this faith in those whom He foresees as believing.
@@johntrevett2944 I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I just don’t like the Calvinist phrasing of it. It implies that we do not choose salvation and undermines the nature of our relationship with God. He may choose us, but He gives us the choice to reject Him. I do think God chooses certain people for certain roles or to fulfill certain needs, but it still requires willing submission, a positive choice.
Then why would there be a Hell? If God the Fathers Son was sacrificed for all, I’m not trying to undermine the capabilities of the sacrifice because the sacrifice made is more than big enough to save all of man kind nor am I trying to argue because you believe in Christ and for that I Love you in fellowship of our Lord. I think you’re trying to say “Christ died for whosoever believes and walks with Him.” Because there will be many who on the day of judgement say “Lord Lord” and he will say “depart from me I never knew you worker of iniquity.”
@@Mattebby20 🧑⚖️ Jesus Christ died for all but only those who believe in him shall be saved. 🧑⚖️ Nowhere in the scriptures says his sacrifice is only for those who believe, otherwise you have to provide one.
All races Elect from every nation Would it have unfair of God To not let people choose their Lifestyle and vocation and do Their own thing yet also save Some and not others!
Good overview of Calvinism & Arminianism! How God has drawn me to Jesus Christ and has molded me over the past 68yrs makes me more of a believer of Calvinistic doctrine. My dreams/visions and theological journey was dramatic and intense - which started at 8 yrs, then 16 yrs old, etc.... there was not much of my free will involved. God’s ultimate sovereignty prevails! Man's free will and reasoning is so fraught with sin through pride and self absorption, we need God's grace to have pure faith in Jesus Christ. John 6:44 is pretty clear!
I'm a Presbyterian (calvinist) but never knew about limited atonement. My church focus on spreading the gospel and salvation by the grace of God. Doesn't matter as long as Christ is our number 1. God bless you all
It does matter if you've kicked the Holy Spirit out of the church like Calvanists/cessationists have done. If you reject any ministry or gift of the Spirit you are grieving the Holy Spirit, and therefore grieving God and against His will. Deliverance is a sign that the kingdom of God has come amongst you. How are you going to receive deliverance if you believe that the supernatural power of God operating through a believer by way of the Holy Spirit ceased in the "apostolic age"? The Lord Jesus said that these signs shall accompany those who have BELIEVED(a believer): they will speak in new tongues, in my name they will cast out devils, they will pick up serpents (excersize authority over the demonic), if they should drink anything poisonous it shall not harm them, and they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Do you see how cessationism (one of the tenets of calvinism) is against the will of God. The doctrine of calvinism is a recipe for dead lifeless churches with no Holy Spirit. If you reject any gift of the Spirit, you reject all and grieve Him.
@@daves3587 But Bro, in my Church doctrine Holy Spirit plays an important part, the Trinity. Our Church received atleast three revivals for the past 120 years, thats the work of the Holy Spirit
Thanks for handling this video with gentleness. I lean reformed but I don’t like the titles so I don’t identify as Calvinism or Arminian. I respectfully disagree with some of this (mostly on demons) but thanks for your gentleness and willingness to try to accurately explain both sides
Thank you Jesus for never leaving my side, because everyone else has! Jesus! I PRAISE you! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I feel like a failure but I will keep faith because faith is all I have left! Since covid I can’t seem to get back on my feet. I lost my job for declining the vaccine. I declined due to my health conditions. I suffer from lupus, and heart disease. I’m now waitressing and so thankful to be working but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. I started homeschooling them because they were having so many issues with bullying. I feel so alone. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets with my boys. I’m struggling buying groceries I’m so discouraged. Jesus hear my cries I’m so tired. But I have faith! I WILL NOT FEAR! I know God will continue to provide for me and my children. So I praise you Jesus! And thank you in advance!
AMEN!!! I see a picture of Jesus hugging you and your two boys, wow…what a beautiful and intentional love from Jesus for your family ❤ I pray SUPERNATURAL healing for your body in Jesus’ mighty name. I release the miracle oil of God all OVER your body, mind, will and emotions and heart. 🙏🩸 I plead the blood of Jesus to cover your boys and protect you three. 🙏🙏🙏
Brothers pray for my wife and l because l want to leave Calvinism because l know that the God of the Bible desires to save all who surrender to Jesus, but my wife is so committed. to the people from Church she won't leave.
I came out of new age 7 years ago and became a Christian. I remember being so thrilled to take the journey, but when I discovered Calvinism shortly after, I could see where they were coming from, but it always discouraged me so much. I felt like I could never be sure God truly loved me and wanted my salvation and of those around me. I always hold to the scriptures of God not wanting any to perish and how he loves the whole world. If anyone can help reconcile what Romans 9 is actually teaching in regards to Jacob and Esau’s election and such etc, that would be great. Thanks
Paul is quoting Malachi chapter 1 when talking about Jacob and Esau. Read that chapter for context but Malachi and then Paul is referring to nations of people not individual salvation.
Calvinism is the definition of what the Bible says to not turn aside to a different gospel than what you received (Galatians 1:6-7 +many other verses), for it is the grace for all to receive. It is God's desire that no-one perishes, but that we receive through faith. Calvinism comes a bit close to Jehovah's witnesses, they can't be sure of their salvation BC there is only a small amount who will. Calvinism is a false doctrine. Would recommend you to read the epistles of John (1,2&3).
@@elizeviktoria Thanks for your opinion, but this is what God says about the doctrine of election: John 15:16 (the Lord chose his disciples) Acts 13:48 (the Lord appointed) Acts 16:14 (the Lord initiates) Rom 8:29-30 (the Lord foreknew/predestined) Rom 8:33 (the Lord's elect) Eph 1:4-5,11 (the Lord chose/predestined) Eph 2:8 (the Lord gives salvation as a gift) Col 3:12 (the Lord has chosen his people) 2 Thess 2:13 (the Lord chooses you for salvation) 2 Tim 1:9 (the Lord saved us) Titus 1:1 (those chosen by God) So just to be clear (given your statements about Calvinism), are you saying that God is a liar?
@@elizeviktoria You have mentioned in other comments about a different gospel or a false gospel. Perhaps you could share with us the following: what is the gospel?
Hi, doesn't sound like your calvanist or reformed, they believe repentance is a work and that would be a lie to them, they believe they were chosen before the earth was formed, no repentance needed, if I were you research the satanic calvanist/reformed, and run before it's to late
I totally agree with the comment about reading the Bible through the year. I think I’m on my third or fourth time. But I’m not just reading through it. I’m reading it and then writing down what I observed from it. What is God saying. And it really helps in this way to meditate more on what God is saying and to apply it to your life. You might not get through the Bible in a year. But you will get a better understanding.
As a calvinist it is always a bit frustrating when these things are misunderstood. For example, god does not want anyone to perish but for all to come to repentance, but man in its natural state will not come. No one seeks after god. Yet god, in his grace, chose to give faith to some so they would not perish. It is not god making people go to hell, people are responsible for that on their own entirely.
If God decides to only give saving faith to a small remnant of people, why doesn't He give that faith to everyone? How is God not choosing them for Hell then?
You affirm that Gif does not want anyone to perish and then go onto say God in His grace chooses some to be saved. If he doesn't want anyone to perish why doesn't God in His grace choose all to be saved? Very strange.
Romans 9 - 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Wrong, according to the false unbiblical theology of Calvinism God chooses to pass over the reprobate God makes this choice to knowingly send the mass majority to eternity in hell. That is not the true God of the Bible. Second Calvinism is fatalistic determinism, according to all types and versions God is the first and sole cause of all desires, there is no actual difference between hard determinism and compatibilism. John 3:17 states Kosmos (all of humanity) Sozo subjunctive mood (HAS the ability possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved). Thus all have the ability to be saved, total inability and unconditional election (pre faith regeneration) is false. There are literally hundreds of verses that refutes Calvinism. Please repent and leave this utterly false doctrine.
“who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,” II Timothy 1:9 NKJV
I appreciate your addressing the subject because I always find the topic fascinating since I came to understand Reformed theology about three years ago. In short, I was saved at the age of 21 and am now 45 years old. I spent the majority of my Christin life under the Arminian perspective as I was an Assembly of God minister. I will say that it was a difficult and drawn-out process for me to come to the Biblical truth of God's sovereignty over salvation but now that I have, I see it in almost every book of the Bible, both old and new testaments. I will admit that there can be some minister's on both sides of the argument that can be poor examples of Christain leadership but overall I appreciate the depth and richness of solid Biblical teaching that comes from the Calvanist and Reformed side. I will add that most people's arguments against God's sovereignty over salvation do always have misunderstandings and misrepresentations in their explanations of the teaching including yours represented here.
Well said. I was in the Assemblies of God for awhile. I got tired of the emotionalism and hystryonics. I shy away from that and any church where people are always talking about themselves and their experiences.
I couldn't agree more with you. I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, as I am also a reformed minister. But there was definitely some flawed understandings of Calvinism and reformed theology in this video.
@@waynv1835 Was is not God who "hardened Pharaoh's heart"? Did Moses have a say in leading the Israelites out of captivity? Did Noah ask to be the one who built the ark? Did the Apostle Paul ever repent of persecuting the followers of Christ before GOD chose him to write almost the entire New Testament, plant churches and become an Apostle? Who are we as the creation to question what the creator does? as the book of Job says "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Was it not God that allowed the devil to tempt Christ in the desert? Was it not God who allowed the devil to reek unimaginable pain on Job? God does not find pleasure in evil, but God works all things for His greater glory. "Behold God is mighty, but despises no one; He is mighty in strength of understanding. He does not preserve the life of the wicked" - Job 36:5-6
NO BODY IS SAVED YET. ITS A HOPE WE HAVE . AND A CONFIDENT ONE BY FAITH IN GODS PROMISES BUT IF ANY MAN SAY HE IS SAVED , HE HAS JUDGED BEFORE THE TIME HIMSELF , AND THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, WHICH IS EMNITY AGAINST GOD.... THIS IS VERY SERIOUS . BECAUSE THE ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL FROM ALL THE FALSE TEACHERS JESUS SAID HAVE INFILTRATED THE CHURCH CONGREGATIOINS Romans 11:22 KJ21 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF VERY SERIOUS ERROR, I WILL SHARE TRUTH ON. *1 CORINTHIANS 14:37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* OR THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AND IGNORED BOTH TEACHER AND CONGREGATIONS WHO DO NOT OBEY GODS COMMANDS ON THIS.* *SAY WHAAT? THIS IS WHAT GOD SAYS. WE ARE TO TEST WHAT IS BEING SPEWED. SO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS IS NOT LED ASTRAY BY FALSE TEACHINGS, SO IT CAN BE CORRECTED ON THE SPOT IMMEDIATELY, SO THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION GETS THE TRUTH BEFORE THEY LEAVE, AND ALSO FOR ADDITIONAL REVELATIONS THE PERSON MEANS TO CONVEY TO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS* *WHY? BECAUSE IF THE BODY OF BELIEVERS GET A FALSE TEACHING FROM ONE PASTORAL MAN, THEN THE ENTIRE CHURCH LEAVES SERVICE AND GOES HOME WITH AN UNCORRECTED THOUGHT THINKING IT WAS TRUTH. THAT IS DANGEROUS TO ALLOW FALSE DOCTRINE TO RUN AMUCK* THAT'S WHY MY FRIENDS!* *1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 LET TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SPEAK, AND LET THE OTHERS PASS JUDGMENT.* *30 BUT IF A REVELATION IS MADE TO ANOTHER (WHO IS SEATED), (THE FIRST ONE MUST KEEP SILENT.) *31 FOR YOU CAN (ALL) PROPHESY (ONE BY ONE), (SO THAT (ALL) (MAY LEARN) AND (ALL) (MAY BE EXHORTED); *32 AND THE SPIRITS OF PROPHETS ARE (SUBJECT to PROPHETS;) *33 FOR GOD IS NOT A GOD OF (CONFUSION) BUT OF PEACE, (AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.)* *37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* 38*** AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE COMMANDS TO KEEP ORDER IN ALL THE CHURCHES, THEY WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED 38, AND IF ANYONE IGNORES THESE COMMANDS, THEY WILL BE IGNORED... ITS INEVITABLE THAT THERE MUST BE LIARS/HERESEES AMONG MY PEOPLE , SO THAT THOSE WHO SPEAK TRUTH, WILL BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.. I REBUKE EVERYONE TO GODS FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH... *Speak two or three - On the same days, or at the same meeting; see the note at 1 Corinthians 14:27. BARNES BIBLE COMMENTARY ON THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THIS CHARGED COMMAND WE MUST ALL HAVE VIGILANCE TO ADHERE TO* *And let the other judge - The word "other" (οἱ ἄλλοι hoi alloi, "the others"), Bloomfield supposes refers to the other prophets; and that the meaning is, that they should decide whether what was said was dictated by the Holy Spirit, or not. But the more probable sense, I think, is that which refers it to the rest of the congregation, and which supposes that they were to compare one doctrine with another, and deliberate on what was spoken, and determine whether it had evidence of being in accordance with the truth.* *It may be that the apostle here refers to those who had the gift of discerning spirits, and that he meant to say that they were to determine by what spirit the prophets who spoke were actuated. It was possible that those who claimed to be prophets might ERROR, and it was the duty of all to examine whether that which was uttered was in accordance with truth.* *AND IF THIS WAS A DUTY THEN, IT IS A DUTY NOW; IF IT WAS PROPER EVEN WHEN THE TEACHERS CLAIMED TO BE UNDER DIVINE INSPIRATION, IT IS MUCH MORE THE DUTY OF THE PEOPLE NOW.* *NO MINISTER OF RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ALL THAT HE SPEAKS SHALL BE REGARDED AS TRUTH, UNLESS HE CAN PROVE IT BY LETTING THE OTHERS TEST AND JUDGE WHAT HE SAYS WITH THE SCRIPTURES IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *NO MAN IS TO BE DEBARRED FROM THE RIGHT OF INTERRUPTING AND THEN CANVASSING FREELY, AND COMPARING WITH THE BIBLE, AND WITH SOUND REASON IN DOCTRINES OF GOD'S WORD, all that the minister of the gospel advances TO ASSURE ALL THAT IS BEING TAUGHT IS DONE IN TRUTH & RIGHTEOUSNESS IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *NO UPRIGHT MINISTER WHO FEELS HE IS SPEAKING GOD'S WORD WITHOUT ERROR , WOULD EVER HOLD BACK OR PROHIBIT THE PEOPLE FROM EXAMINING EVERYTHING THAT HE SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *IT MUST NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!!* READ 1 CORINTHIANS IN FULL.... THERE IS WAY MORE COMMANDS FROM CHRIST , INCLUDING WOMEN NOT EVEN ALOUD TO SPEAK IN CONGREGATION AT ALL PERIOD, IN FACT CHRIST COMMANDS IF ANY WOMEN HAS ANYTHING TO SAY AT ALL, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THEY GO HOME AND ASK THE MAN, AND THE WOMEN MUST WEAR COVERING OVER THEIR HAIR AND HEAD WHILE PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND THE MAN MUST BE UNCOVERED DURING PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND JESUS SAID IF ANY OF YOU SEE THIS ANY OTHER WAY, KNOW THIS, THIS IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, AND TO NOT BE REBELLIOUS WICKED CHILDREN ABOUT THESE COMMANDS. ]ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT REBELLION TO GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS WITCHCRAFT, WARLOCKS, SORCERY, AND DIVINATION......1 SAMUEL 15.......!!!!!!! OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE TOO.....1 SAMUEL 15 AS WELL.... *REMEMBERING ALWAYS TO WARN AS MANY AS YOU CAN , LET US NOT COVER THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE WITH A COVERING , FOR WE ALL MUST REPENT OR WE HAVE BELIEVED IN VAIN, FOR YOU CAN BE SURE, THAT NOTHING IMPURE WILL ENTER GODS KINGDOM, AND GOD SAYS , LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU ON THIS MATTER, AND LET NO MAN TRY TO EXCUSE THESE WARNING OF DELIBERATE PRACTICING OF ANY SIN , PERIOD.... : HEBREWS 10: 26 IF WE DELIBERATELY (((WILLFULLY)))KEEP ON SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, NO SACRIFICE FOR SIN IS LEFT,* *27 BUT ONLY A FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT AND OF RAGING FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD.* 28 ANYONE WHO **REJECTED* THE LAW OF MOSES DIED WITHOUT MERCY ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. *GRACE IS A GIFT, AND IF WE ABUSE IT BY DELIBERATELY CONTINUING TO PRACTICE SIN, WE ARE DESTINED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL! *29 HOW MUCH MORE SEVERELY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED WHO HAS TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDERFOOT, WHO HAS TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, AND WHO HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?* *PLEASE WARN YOUR FLOCKS! WE MUST BE HONEST WITH OUR TESTAMENT AND INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION! YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT HEBREWS, THIS IS HEBREWS 10:26 26 DEAR FRIENDS, IF WE DELIBERATELY CONTINUE SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE THAT WILL COVER THESE SINS. * 1 JOHN 3 ELABORATES THE SAME THING. 6Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. 7¶Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. 8But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. GALATIANS 1:*14 I PAUL, THANK GOD THAT I DID NOT BAPTISE NONE/ANY OF YOU,*
@@Streetchaplainsforchristyou seem to misunderstand many of the scenarios you mention. Words like “allowed” and “asked” prove that their was a choice. Noah had the choice to build the ark, and he did. God didn’t force him to do anything because he had free will.
I did not realize it but I did have some Calvinistic views, recently I have been looking in to it because I really didn't know much about it, but after hearing your explanation I am ready to shed what Calvinistic views I had. Thank you for your explanation.
I don't hold much to Calvinism but regarding your 2nd question, it's actually the opposite for me on the topic of losing your salvation 😂 Personally, I feel like a person cannot lost their salvation (if they are truly born again and have the Holy Spirit in their life to guide and walk with them in their spiritual walk) because it feels like God's saving power isn't strong enough in that sense. But a believer can still be tempted with sin and fall into it because we have a renewed spirit while we live in our sinful flesh. But yeahh it's just weird for me regarding salvation 😭 Discussion about it is super cool, like whether a believer committing habitual sin without guilt while "born again". Personally, if I see that, I'd just come to the conclusion that the person's not saved because a genuinely born again Christian will feel guilt doing them, even if they are struggling with habitual sin Am I going to be called all sorts of stuff for believing this by believers? I hope not. It's a secondary issue and we Christians shouldn't be so willing to argue and create debates with only the purpose of winning the argument or antagonizing the other size. This goes for both sides, me included But yeah if it's primary issues on the other hand, then we got a problem, like Jesus not being God, God not being 3 in one, salvation not by grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone, and so on. That's what we should be focused on correcting
You are close, for those that endure, and do not fall away, continue there relationship with Jesus, now let's talk about Jesus, calvanist/reformed have a different Jesus as do celebrities, and country music, politicians they all have this God that is false, or 98% of them, the true Jesus says we must obey him, endure to the end, it's not be this person on Monday and the worldly on Tuesday, it's a close relationship with Jesus, when you have this relationship it's a thought and talk you will find goes on constantly thru out everyday, good bad and the ugly, and the Jesus help me, and the I just made it thru the day and I'm not sure how many things God saved me from cause it was a spiritual battle and I didn't see that one, but thank you Jesus, I love you, stay strong in Jesus a storm is here
I believe the same brother. As we choose to put our trust in Jesus Christ we are born again. To think we can unborn ourselves and then be born again is just illogical. I believe that once our Spirit is made new, we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit. That's God's promise. Do we still sin? Yes. But we will regret. A new born Christian will always recognize sin as sin. The difference between a new born Christian and an unbeliever is that we as new born Christians try to avoid sin and hate it. Our new spirit HATES sin but our FLESH loves sin. God's grace is enough to save us and enough to persevere us. As Romans 8,39 says (in my own words): Nothing can seperate us from God's love. If we think WE can seperate ourselves, does that not make us God's? Surely we can't. I do not agree with Calvinism in such as they think God only saves certain people, but I have to say I agree with most of their other believes. I do believe that most Calvinists are saved as they do believe in salvation by grace through faith alone. That's my take on it. So if we take all of their points I would call my self neither of both, not a Calvinist nor an Arminianist, just a follower of Christ on his path, facing lots of challenges, trying to stay as close to the truth as possible.
What I believe is the important thing, is that every believer is brought to a mature Christian, That they are not tossed to and throw by every wind of doctrine. And that they are firmly established in the faith. This was the main concern with the apostle Paul, not just bringing people to Christ, but to bring them to a place where they wouldn't fall away.
I was raised in a super-Calvinist environment. Over time, my Calvinist perspective eroded, particularly the belief in cessationism. I was supernaturally healed of a short leg and scoliosis and came to see that prophetic words and visions are for today. I also dug more into the early church and realized that Calvinism was a major departure from historic Christianity in several areas. I respect that there are people who are trying their best to love God as Calvinists, but I have realized that I am completely on the other side. This video was very clear and helpful. I can see why some Calvinists in the comments think that their side has been somewhat misrepresented, but I do think Vlad is right that these beliefs tend to create certain types of thinking. For example, as a teenager I really struggled with prayer because I didn't understand why we had to pray if God already knew what was going to happen anyway. It took the challenge of more Arminian/charismatic believers in my life to encourage me to pray for really specific things and see that God answered them. If anyone is interested in a more scholarly explanation of how Calvinism developed as a reaction to medieval abuses in the Western (Catholic) church and developed some of its own distortions in the process, I highly, highly recommend that you look up the work of Jon Ruthven.
I see your point :) I had kind of the mirrored opposite experience that you had. I grew up in an Armenian household (I was part of the 6th or 7th generation of Christians with non-reformed faiths) and I was an armenian for 22 years. These past few years God put the desire in my heart to deeply study Theology, and the more I studied, the more I started to see how biblically unsound it was ti believe that I had any say in my salvation. So I started to study Theology, doctrines, denominations etc. and got to the conclusion that the reformed/calvinist faith is the most biblically accurate one. But I am definitely not a cessationist when it comes to gifts, supernatural occurrences or even the gift of prophesying. I myself have a fee gifts such as discernment, spiritual experiences and delivery and usually the Ministries I lead or am involved with pertain to those gifts. It's interesting that we both had opposite experiences but I believe that at the end of the day, what matters is believing in Jesus as your one and true savior with all out hearts and try our best to follow the biblical principles as close as we can, always relying on the Holy Spirit.
From what I understand about reformed theology (Calvinism) 7:10 Because of have sinned in Adam, all deserve judgement for our sins and you would never seek for God on your own unless drawn/chosen (John 6:44) because of the fathers love and mercy for his creation he freely chose who would be saved before you were born. R.C Sproul has a fantastic book on this topic called "Chosen by God"
Grew up in Arminianism, like most Slavic Christians. Began studying scripture in 2010. Came to believe in more of a Calvinist views, though maybe not a 5 point Calvinist but definitely 4, for now. What I can’t reconcile is the idea of man being responsible for his own salvation. Bible tells us we are dead in our sin, so my question to you is WHO is responsible for your salvation?
Greetings Pastor Vlad, I follow you on UA-cam and listen to your preachings, which are a great blessing. Thank you. In regards to this topic, I would like to give a little of my own personal testimony. I’m in my late thirties, and I grew up in a Pentecostal (Arminian) church. My church was a bit extreme and had many “sinful” prohibitions, e.g., no movie theatres, no short pants and clean shaven for men, and for women no pants, wearing makeup, earrings, doing their eyebrows, or even shaving their legs. My church also had a peculiar interested in the topics of hell, and blaming everything on the devil, and demons. I recall as a child, being terrified of “losing my salvation” every time I did anything wrong. I was also afraid of being left behind in the rapture. Honestly, I was not at peace. In college I met other Christian friends who were Calvinists. They instructed me and I could see they were strong in the faith and their conviction; they also had the peace and confidence I lacked. After graduating, I was looking for a job and ended up moving to another state. Over the years, through prayer and in depth Bible study, I began to understand Christian theology clearer. Today I lean more to the Calvinist side. I learned through my life experience, that if I have anything to do with my own salvation, than I can also be responsible of losing it. I confess that I am not strong enough to keep the faith! Calvinism teaches that God is responsible for saving you and He is also responsible for keeping you (John 10:28-29). I do not use this assurance as a license to sin, but to walk obediently and confidently through life knowing that nothing can separate me from the love of Christ Jesus. That being said, I thank God for my original church because there I got saved and learned the foundation of my faith. Additionally, I still believe some Arminian teachings. For example, I believe that the gifts of the Spirit have not ceased. Christians can still utilize these gifts, e.g., healing and tongues, to strengthen the Church and to further the Kingdom of heaven. May God continue to bless your ministry and all your listeners.
Thank you for the 3 questions. When I see from the whole scripture,especially from the ok’d testament, I cannot but see God choosing his people before man chooses him. Noah,Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Saul, Moses,and the entire Israelites, David and so on. So, your first question does help people see that. Calvinism is just another name for being true to the Scriptures. So, It doesn’t matter whether people use that name or not. The thing is that we must be faithful to the word. That is the legacy from the apostles and church fathers.
10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.
I've been in many debates concerning this very topic while attending bible college. We had students on both sides but over time I came to realize that the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
My suggestion is that your answer is a bit too vague that can be used in almost EVERY situation. Straight only marriage or gay marriage? Somewhere in the middle. Men can be women or men are only men? Somewhere in the middle. Abortion or pro-life? Somewhere in the middle. My suggestion is that you stand on God's word a bit more firmly.
@@FabledNarrative Those examples you have listed do not fall into the traditional arguments. Neither side has all the answers or one is correct / more correct than the other or more wrong than the other. I'd love to type out in more detail after my vacation and family is gone. Perhaps later next week if I remember :-)
@@FabledNarrative Unfortunatey you gave a poor comparisons to @BiscuitPuncher 's point. I believe they were saying basically "live in the center of biblical tension"; in this case God's soveriegnty and man's free will... you disagreed which is of course your perogative. However you conflated it to moral arguments that are clearly sinful. From your response, I take it your perspective is anyone who would disagree with your theological take is either a) a carnal christian at best or b) not a christian at all. Keep in mind faithful followers of Christ have held to both positions over the centuries and both have stronger and weaker arguments, but both can be genuine followers of Christ. Furthermore because someone seeks to take the Bible seriously and honor both sides of the soveriegnty/free will debate is not looking to be vague but rather acknowlege the bible teaches both and that ultimately only God understands the complexities of his own will and how it plays out. Please rethink the logical analysis you are bringing to your responses and consider charity in said responses as well. As our master said millenia ago, "Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples". We can discuss, and even strongly disagree, but assume the best (1 Cor 13:7) and still be charitable towards our siblings in the faith. Also, if i misread your intent my apologies, I am only going by what seems to be your approach. Again, if I am mistaken I am sorry.
Nice video as always. Love watching protestants debate on contradictory doctrines within protestantism. Makes it very clear that the more enlightened they get, the more Catholic they become, unintentionally ofcourse. Don't get me wrong, I still strongly believe that the reformation was an act of God, necessary to purge the church of corruption and some false teachings that had infiltrated it. However, the Catholic Church, despite its many obvious weaknesses, still remains the undeniable custodian of the true and ancient Christian doctrine as handed down by the Apostles. I know many will disagree,, but it's still OK.
Great to see your concern about contradictory doctrines. Here are some others for your consideration: --------------- Roman Catholic Church, Council of Trent, Canon 9 - If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema. Bible, Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. --------------- Catechism of the Catholic Church, "The Apostles Tradition", paragraph 100 - "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." Bible, 1 Cor 2:10-13 - these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. --------------- Roman Catholic Church, Pope Pius IX, Immaculate Conception - "... We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which asserts that the Blessed Virgin Mary, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God, and in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from every stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and, for this reason, must be firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful" Bible, Luke 1:47 - and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, Bible, Rom 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Yes l believe God's perfect love can only be expressed when there is free choice. When a man falls in love with a woman, he cannot make her love him , she has to willingly love him back. This picture of a couple ( man and woman) is a picture of Christ and his bride.
I have a big problem with one of the anti-calvinist beliefs.We get to Heaven and God says: Boy! I'm SOOO glad YOU decided on Me.....if YOU hadn't have stepped in, we wouldn't be talking right now. I'm glad YOU had the final say." It robs the power of "no man cometh to the Father, but by ME."
Remember, 1 Cor 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ........12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. Believe in Jesus, and don't let your ego drag you down. Ego resides in the fallen man flesh, resist the flesh, walk in the Spirit.
The Calvinism position is often attacked because we want to say WE have a “choice” in choosing Christ. We want to believe WE have “ability”. But do we? Is your conversion to Christ a passive Choice? Did you choose because it was a novel cool idea? Or were you on your knees, broken, in tears realizing the horror of your sin and its coming outcome? No one chooses Christ from a position of passive understanding. What looks like a choice is more a realization. An awakening. So what does the Draw in John 6:44 look like? A-bit like this…. “Gods real? Wait, if he is real…is Jesus his son? If Jesus is real and is the son, that means the cross actually happened. That means my sin has a future consequence. Ive done so many terrible things, am i even worth saving? What have i done? Oh God please save me. PLEASE. “ The draw is without a choice. It leads to an absolute result. No one at this point stops, turns and rejects. They have crossed a line of no return. They are made ALIVE in an instant. God draws and through irresistible grace compels you through a broken and contrite heart to repentance by allowing you to realize the gravity of your sin. Did you choose? No. You only perceive choice. God did EVERYTHING. God: Compelled Revealed Impressed Saved Your asking to be saved was a result of Gods actions. Not free will from a position of human intellect. We are saved by Gods Grace THROUGH faith. Neither Grace nor Faith came from you. Otherwise YOU could boast of free will. “I made a decision for…”. NOPE. You did NOTHING. God chose YOU. Romans 9:15-17 ESV - “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. So then God has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Not just pharaoh.
Perfect example of someone talking about things they don’t understand much about. None of these points are true about Calvinism, clearly pastor hasn’t taken the time to thoroughly study the subject. It takes a gifted teacher to explain it well, and once you understand predestination, it humbles you to the debt of your being, strips you of any pride and security of knowing that God will complete your salvation is the biggest blessing i have as a Christian. I hope you take your time to explore this Biblical truth, it’s throughout the whole Bible, it is the divine blessing
To be honest, I was born grew up and raised in a Calvinist churc actually I have a lot of responses about this and it will be very long, I'm not a pastor I'm not a theologian so when I ask according to what I understand when I hear what pastor Vlad said In fact, not all of Calvin's understandings were conveyed by Pastor Vlad, we said yes because in the development of our churches, we continue to experience revolution, especially with regard to doctrine basically everything must be Biblical and must not conflict with Bible truth and I also don't have a problem with Pastor Vlad's understanding because there is nothing that contradicts with God's word and I can accept it as a lesson for me personally but I have one question out of many questions and responses that I want to give because this is quite confusing for me. One of my questions is as Pastor Vlad explained that Calvinst's teaching is to believe that suffering is God's will and what I want to ask is what is the difference or like what is the suffering because of sin and the suffering as a Christian for following Jesus. in the teachings that are developing in my church the condition for following Jesus is to carry the cross of Matthew 16 verse 24 The cross in our view so far has been related to various sufferings, be it oppression, persecution, hunger and so on and can also include diseases both physical and psychological. and on this basis why sometimes followers of Calvin also believe that illness or suffering can be part of sin but can also be permission from God as a consequence of following Jesus as an example we see Job in the Bible story Job is a righteous person in God's eyes but why does God allow Satan tempted Job by bringing sickness and poverty to Job and others the second is the apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 12 verse 7 why did God allow the devil to bring disease into Paul's body even though Paul had been saved from sin. So Pastor Vlad I really hope there is an answer to my question what is the difference between suffering for sin and suffering as a result of following Jesus and is sickness not part of the cross this is very confusing to me and my purpose in asking is not to judge any teaching or doctrine, any pastor but I want to learn about the truth 🙏
A well balanced take sir. Especially the fact that there are difficulties on both sides in some areas. But Calvinism basically seems to have woven into so many believers way of thinking, which seems to result in a kind of fatalism.
Thank you Vlad, you’re what we call in Australia “an Absolute Legend”. I never knew there was a word for this, Arminianism. Calvinism has been frustrating me for years I never accepted, it just sounded so stupid. I only first heard of it from a Baptist church I use to attend occasionally. It’s incredible that I came to the exact same conclusions as Arminianism from just by reading the Word. Thing is it Calvinism was always in stark contrast to God’s character throughout all scripture.
@Reg_The_Gal, I am not a Calvinist but I agree with biblical proof that most of their belief are true.. 1) God indeed predestined some to be saved and some to be burned in fire. 2) Limited atonement is true and biblical 3) There are indeed people who are totally depraved and can never be saved 4) Once saved is always saved... Proof: 1) Acts 13:48 NLT, "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers." 2) John 10:15, "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep." Note: Jesus died only for the elect(Sheep) 3) John 8:44( they are the children of the devil) They are what Jesus called the goats 4)John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
This gave me a light bulb moment. I’ve been in a terrible spot yak state for five years now, constantly feeling punished by the lord and believing I should be grateful for it. Explains why I’ve always felt God is angry with me. I had it all wrong.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
it contains many strawmen and misrepresentations... not surprising coming from a free willer who thinks their decision saved them, it all stems from pride
One of my favorite quotes from my evangelism professor: preach like an arminian and pray like a calvinist! Thanks for a video on such a complex topic, Pr. Vlad! I'm always torn as I sympathize with parts of both.
I know two Calvinists well and I care for them deeply. It is interesting speaking to them, because they will tell you that God’s absolute sovereign will, and choice to give them salvation instead of hell, is humbling to them. Yet their whole bearing is arrogant. They love to pick intellectual fights and trap people with semantics, in and out of theological discussions. They actually truly do not see it though. They do not realize they are prideful. In reality, their sense of being chosen, I think, is the opposite of humbling. They love to tell their testimonies. They will tell you what a sinner they are and how God saved them. “Are” is the key word. They do not seem to believe in restoration at all this side of heaven…spiritually, emotionally, or physically. Any talk of any work of the Holy Spirit makes them uncomfortable at best and outright hostile at worst. Their complete doubt of any human ability does not allow them to believe that God would ever work through a human. For example, they will say God heals, but He does not use people to do it. No laying on of hands for sure. Any talk of demons either brings an immediate challenge, or they check out completely. It makes me sad. They refuse wholeness, because they think they already have everything, while others don’t. They take pride in what they have and yet are afraid to ask for more or go deeper. They feel a duty toward God, but I don’t see much evidence of a true love. These are the main reasons I am not Calvinist. I am intellectual myself. I can see the arguments on both sides. But I hate what it does to people. I think I’d rather be an Arminian and find out someday in heaven I was wrong (because I don’t think it’s salvific!) than live that sad life and find out it was not worth it and in fact I should have helped others toward true full salvation in every area while still on earth.
Great story! But it's you who stands with the one true God, so stand tall with a humbling character that knows Jesus died for every single person on earth, and they will all have the opportunity to choose to follow Jesus and love him and obey him , or at least try, do not prepare yourself to maybe right about the one true God, be thankful you are with the one true God! Calvanist/reformed are of a false God. Maybe they will see the truth before it's to late,
You provided zero scripture to support your rationale. Consequently, you are leaning on your own understanding (Prov 3:5-6) May I suggest that if you are so strongly convicted of the error of your two Calvinist acquaintances, then why don't you put together a sound doctrinal theology for them and show them scripturally why they are in error?
Thank you for your perspective vlad. I appreciate that you have made a very comprehensive video like this. By the way I am a reformed charismatic theologian. See you in philippines brother!
Hello Vlad, thank you taking the time to address this often polarizing issue. I've been on both sides (currently on the Reformed side). I do want to address some of the issues you have with Calvinism. I know you mentioned that not all Calvinists adhere to these points but I feel like you misrepresented a majority of Calvinists. My purpose here isn't to argue. The purpose is edification. After all, Calvinism vs Arminianism is a secondary issue. We major on the majors and minor on the minors. 1. You said that God send's people to hell, we did "nothing to deserve that." Truth is we all deserve hell because of our sinful nature (Rom. 3:23). We don't deserve heaven. God being a just God must punish sin and cannot let it go unpunished (hence why Christ is so important). Most Calvinists don't believe that God sends people to hell, rather people choose to go to hell on their own accord. In our fallen human nature, we will choose sin over God every single time. It's not until the Spirit regenerates us that we can choose God over sin. God sending people to hell is called double-predestination, a view not all Calvinists hold. 2. You said Calvinists believe, "God chooses evil to happen for his glory." God is not the author of evil. Scripture is clear on that. God didn't bring evil into the world, we did when Adam and Eve sinned against God. God hates evil. He hates sin. He will always be more glorified by righteous living than sinful living. However, God is able to use sin and evil for his greater purposes (Gen. 50:20). Part of God's sovereignty and omnipotence is that he has the final say over evil. That the evil plans of MAN cannot thwart the good plans of God. He can take a bad situation and work it out for our good and his glory (Rom. 8:28). 3. You said Calvinists don't view Satan as God's enemy. That is not true. Quite frankly, I don't know of any calvinists who'd say otherwise. Satan is God's greatest enemy. But after all, he is still a created being who is subjected to God's will. There is nothing that Satan can do to hinder the plans of God. 4. "Calvinists believe it's a condition not a relationship." It's absolutely a relationship. Now, I will say that because of our sinful nature we are unable to come to God therefore he must initiate the relationship first (1 John 4:19). I do believe in unconditional election. I do believe that God is sovereign over our salvation. But there is a mystery between the sovereignty of God and the free will of man. Somehow both come into play. From our vantage point, it's us coming to God. From the 30,000 foot view, it's God drawing us to himself. On a side note, I disagree with your exegesis on John 3:16 but that's a longer convo for another time :) Just shedding some light on what most Calvinists believe. Yes, some of us are snarky and arrogant. Yes, some of us are trying to win the debate rather than build unity. But overall, reformed theology is an amazing thing which helped me understand God better. I know it's not true for everyone. At the end of the day, what matters most is having a relationship with Christ. Not arguing how we got there. God bless and continue to bring Him glory!
I remember an argument between two believers in my praise and worship service while being deployed to Iraq. The one had a child die in infancy or stillbirth. The other had told the other that if they were destined to go to hell, that's the souls destination. I remember thinking that's a really obtruse way of looking at the scriptures. If I'm being honest, Calvinism seems like a doctrine of divisiveness. We absolutely have the choice to turn our backs on God, if we so choose. God will give you over if you continue to ignore His advice. Bless you fam 🫀
God is the One that has known all of His sheep, His people, the individual person who would come to the faith, before the foundations of the world. He knows the end from the beginning, because He decreed it. Thank God man's will does not triumph over God's decreed will. And God's decreed will has not been completely revealed to us, for we don't know what will happen exactly tomorrow. That's for God to know. God has a revealed will and secret will.
I doubt you'll read this but I honor you Vlad for your anointed and fruitful ministry. I agree that many people in the Reformed and Calvinist tribe can be harsh, even self-righteous. Unfortunately, many are also cessationists (though not all, Piper and Grudem are continuationists). But I also know many Calvinists who are the most humble believers and leaders I've ever known and even Spirit-filled. In regards to the main topic, I find your arguments against Calvinism in this video to be a big departure from the main points of the historic Calvinism/Arminian debate. Your summary appears to be more semi-Pelagian than it is Arminian. Also, I found your arguments were based more on your personal biases and philosophy about human freedom/will and a reductionistic theodicy ("how can God choose to send people to hell?") rather than biblical exegesis. I believe the Bible is clear that God predestines people unto salvation because the Fall has left us completely dead in our sins and transgressions. We are saved by grace thru faith, this is a gift so no one can boast. To borrow an image I read in an R.C. Sproul book about our fallen condition, we are not like a crippled person who needs to use our will to open our mouth and receive the medicine of the gospel. We are dead and buried six feet under and Christ calls us by name to come forth, similar to how Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. If Jesus calls a corpse to rise, we rise. It is effectual, not simply enabling. John Piper has a great summary about the essence of the Calvin/Arminian debate, "According to Arminianism, the very final act that brings me into Christ, that decisive moment in conversion, is one that I perform, not God... Calvinism says that God does more in our conversion; namely, he overcomes all of our resistance and opens the eyes of our hearts to make Christ so real and so beautiful and so compelling that our will gladly embraces Christ as our Savior and Lord and Treasure."
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Well. It’s going to sound insane or paradoxical, but I think that both reality exists. Free will and pre determination. From the present moment exists an infinity of paths we can choose. God knows all of this paths for every individual. We are Schrödinger’s cat.
It’s not really pre determination. God already knows who will obey him or not. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. It’s clear in John 3:16 that whosoever who believes in him.. meaning salvation is for everyone but not everyone accepts Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. That’s why we have to pray for them that God will draw them to Jesus.
I’m a Christian not Calvinist or Arminian now after being said that I believe according the scripture that the doctrines of the grace are all over the Bible. That’s why I think the Calvinist perspective are more clear and more consistent in the Bible but maybe the idea of not being in control our lives as humans it doesn’t sound good for us regardless what I really want as a human God from the beginning is the one who chose his people, He chose Abraham from Uz, chose Noah, chose Lot, chose David, chose the apostles, etc. He is the one who has his plan and he will fulfill it. “Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.” Psalms 115:3 NIV If we are truly believers there’s is nothing to worry we are in God’s hands 🙌🏻 we need to remember something “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” Philippians 1:6 God bless you Pastor and to all of us.
ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This has nothing to do with your theology and all to do with your Bible. You were born a sinner, and thus God is just in sending you to hell like each and everyone of us. It’s absolutely amazing grace that ANYONE can be saved.
God raised up an already sinful, stubborn man to the position of Pharaoh. He did not take a neutral man or a good man and make him bad so he could punish someone.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13 KJV Once saved always saved is biblical, those who believe in Christ receive the Holy Spirit and can never lose their salvation, the Holy Spirit will never leave once he has entered the believer . That is Gods promise anything else is a perversion of the gospel
This verse comes at the end of the discussion of the vine, its branches and bearing fruit. Context is very important when we read and quote scripture. When read in context with the whole chapter, this is the explanation. God has given free will to mankind to choose whether or not to accept Christ as their Saviour, turn to God, live their lives according to God's Word and share the gospel of salvation with others in the hope that they too will choose God as their Saviour and enter into God's Kingdom. However, if it were not for God's grace and mercy shown to humanity, because of man's sinful nature, we would never be able to enter into the Kingdom of God and come to God apart from his grace of salvation (John 3:3). In short, no individual, because of sin, would be able to enter into the Kingdom of God and thus no individual would have the option of choosing to be with Christ in the Kingdom of God if it were not for the fact that God had chosen to sacrifice His Son on the cross for every man as payment for the sins of man.
Calvinism and cessationism are two separate doctrines though, like me I’m a Calvinist who believes in all of the gifts and the power of the Holy Spirit working today. Anyone else a Calvinist but not a cessationist?
Pastor I was raised Calvinist but I have experienced Arminianism in my life on earth. Once I received spiritual gifts this debunked Calvinism for me. Most Calvinist’s including my father who is a Pastor are spiritually bound in legalism.
Calvinists are often bound in legalism, just like "Christians" are "Christians" just because they call themselves Christians. But measuring yourself to God is what matters most. And the most assured thing to a Christian is that Christ will ALWAYS keep me. My relationship with that fact, how I live, will prove fruitfully or fruitlessly.
This is an unfair assessment brother! I know Apostolics (A branch of Pentecostal) that are bound in legalism. I also know some very famous charismatic Calvinist.
@@AustinTuckerPastor My father is a former RCA Pastor and he does not believe in demonization nor does he believe in spiritual gifts after the 1st Century Apostates! The three road blocks to Revival are as follows: Pride, Legalism, Rebellion/Witchcraft. Check out 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Additionally, Calvinists believe in Predestination (Salvation is Predetermined). For God So Loved The World 🌎. He didn’t say only a predetermined elect.
@@AustinTuckerPastor that wasn’t the point of his teaching. He just pointed out Calvinist beliefs and Arminian beliefs and he agrees with the Arminian belief
@@Thomas-x1v5t he doesn’t even properly explain the doctrines of Calvinism. I am thankful for his faithfulness but he should of studied the subject more before he tries to contrast
Thank you so much for this clarification! I was not raised in Church, and am on a mission to continually learn and hopefully have a better more intimate relationship with the Trinity. I was accused of being a Calvinist by my "Pastor" . I didn't even know what that meant 😕. I definitely have more beliefs of what you're calling Arminianism. I had no idea there was such a thing. Thank you. I only want The Truth. ❤✝️🕊❤️🔥
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Pastor Vlad Savchuk, it seems as you are channeling the mysterious Holy Spirit.
TRULY Amazing!
Even as Christians start a prayer: Father Son is 1 then 2, followed by 3 & 4, For the holy ghost.
btw my Buddha icon, represents similar, as grounded firmly in PAST, in PRESENT good deeds "up the yin yang 2 achieve a nirvana". Yet the FUTURE is ...
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If someone thinks he could lose his salvation, then he should not lose it. But If someone thinks he cannot lose his salvation, then he should live it.
Pastor Vlad, I think both are extreme views and could not be perfectly consistent with God’s word. No one can be absolutely deterministic nor absolutely free. So I would rather walk in the middle of the road to avoid both ditch on the left and on the right, and treat God’s sovereignty and man’s free will as both wheels working for each other to bring us to our destination. 😊
I am not completely a calvinist, but I will say that it is not so much that God chooses who goes to Hell, but that God chooses who goes to Heaven. Everyone because of our sinful nature was going to hell, but God elected from humanity those who He has chosen to go to Heaven. So it is more like God chooses who goes to Heaven, than God chooses who goes to Hell because we were all going to go to hell, but now a few of us aren't
We evangelize because we do not know who the chosen are, we evangelize to the lost and let Holy Spirit touch the hearts of those who He chooses.
God doesn't commit evil, the devil does, but God lets it happen. The Book of Job is a perfect example and a perfect look into how evil deeds are allowed to take place. The devil gets approval from God over every evil he commits because God is sovereign and nothing happens without God's approval. also Isaiah 45:7 in the KJV states that God creates evil, " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
Evil is not a part of God's nature. God does not perform evil, He simply allows it. The devil getting permission from God shows you that the devil cannot do whatever he wants, he is subjected to God like everyone else.
I am not a full on calvinist so I do believe that there is free will, but that God is sovereign. God chooses the elect, but the elect can freely choose to stay saved or not. Man freely chooses to commit evil, but God could stop them from committing the act but instead He lets it happen. The Bible does not contradict itself, the truth lies in the middle of both Calvinism and Arminianism. In the Bible we see people have free will, and we also see God's will every now and then override people's free will. The people of Israel freely choose to serve other idols, but God decided to fight for them and draw them to Him.
You are right Jesus died for the whole world meaning His sacrifice on the cross is enough to save all of humanity, but only a few will be saved because only a few are chosen. Mathew 22;14, "For many are called, but few are chosen."
Why do people assume if you're not Calvinist you're Arminian? I'm neither. I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ. I see positives and negatives on both sides so i look to the Bible for guidance and trust Jesus instead of man.
I agree, I don’t understand why you need to pick a side. These are 2 men’s opinions… it blows my mind how people can leave the church because they don’t agree on one side… it’s caused so much division I don’t understand it. But when he said Calvinist’s are rude he’s right. Some of them are puffed up when they claim they are one of Gods elect… I don’t think that is Christ like at all. But I agree with 80% of their views…
Also there are other forms of Soteriology than these two. Lutheranism would claim to have Soteriology that differs from both of these. Plus, classic Augustinianism is different then modern Calvinism. There's a debate as to whether classic Calvinism and Augustinianism we're just the same.
@@danielblakeney7575 Leighton flowers has a great channel on soteriology. Molonism is also in there somewhere. Granted that starts falling into Catholicism but either way it is a great subject. A infinite god is hard for a finite mind to grasp on to
1 Corinthians 1:10-17
With love as a sister in Christ it's because of biblical confusion. We all should be iron sharpening iron and continue to research every jot and tittle of the Word. It matters when witnessing to others, we want to share the truth not a mystery. For me, please I speak in love, personally I need clarity, understanding and seeking wisdom. I'm not a Calvinist. I don't want to witness to people saying, "God wants everyone to be saved" but then tell them they may already be pre-damned. Seems to go against scripture and the Almighty. Im overjoyed you're right in Christ. God tells us to question and seek wisdom 🕊️🙏
I can only speak from experience. When I first decided to walk down the aisle of a small Christian non-denominational church and receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior I was completely ignorant when it came to the Bible or salvation. I had come from a dirty background of alcohol, drugs, nightclubs, and one night stands. My faith at the time stood firm on science which up until that moment had been led by deep study into physics emphasizing on general relativity and quantum mechanics. I understood these concepts very well, but I also realized science couldn’t save my soul so that’s when I turned to the Word of God.
I had been raised a Catholic, by tradition not choice, but I never found interest in religious dogma. To me their ritualistic approach to matters of faith were dull and boring, I was more interested in the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom.
After having received Jesus in Oct of 91, I was told by the pastor that I was now saved and on my way to Heaven; really? That’s it? I didn’t feel any different, my thoughts, motives, and attitude remained the same. I decided that I wasn’t going to just take this pastor’s word, I was going to do my homework. I had to, my soul and my eternal future depended on it and I was a person that needed certainty!
I decided to purchase the King James Bible on CD and listen to it on all those wasted hours driving back and forth to work in rush hour traffic. Travel time to work was an hour, an hour lunch which I spent in my car eating a sandwich out of a small cooler, and the hour drive back home. That was 3 hours of Word a day 5 times per week. That’s a lot of Word! This went on for little over 3 years where not only did I have scores and scores of scriptures memorized, but also entire CHAPTERS memorized verbatim word for word. I could tell you what is in the Bible and what isn’t. I had a lot of Word in my head, not in my heart.
This would change one Saturday morning March 25,1995. I was alone in my car at the beach listening to integrity Hosana Worship music, reading God’s Word, and loving Him with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength. I remember reading in Matthew chapter 5 to “love your enemies”, this was something I could never see myself doing! How can you love someone that’s causing you harm? I don’t understand this kind of love! I looked up to the sky and let my imagination, which by now was overflowing with love, run wild as to how beautiful it would be to be just like Jesus!
Suddenly it happened, it really happened! I saw something open within my mind and all that Word I had accumulated for years poured into me removing the blinders from my eyes and giving me the knowledge of God!
“Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.”
(Proverbs 1:23)
I was terrified, I felt the demons that lived in me and had been with me my entire life leap out of me with a hideous screech! How is this possible Lord, I thought, how can a mere man understand God?
“My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.”
(Proverbs 2:1-5)
When I picked up the Bible and began reading it something was now different. I had always read and listened to the Bible as a 3rd person, in other words, this apostle is writing to this other apostle, this scripture doesn’t apply to me. For the very first time since I began my study of the scriptures did I realize the scriptures were speaking directly to me! The Words were like 3D, a hologram! Who is this 3rd person I keep imagining? Every scripture, every parable I didn’t seem to understand was as plain as if I was reading a children’s book! This is when I could see the utter Perfection of God’s Word and the inerrancy of scripture. The only way to describe what had just happened to me was “HOLINESS” had entered me!
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”
(Proverbs9:10)
So you may be asking yourself, how does my testimony relate to this video? Well it seems to me it’s quite obvious. There is only one Jesus, the one revealed in scripture. Jesus and the written Word are ONE AND THE SAME. There is no other way to God except through His Word! It is the Word that gives you the SPIRIT:
“It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.”
(John 6:63)
You must be BORN AGAIN of the Word:
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
(1 Peter 1:23)
When you read the following passage with those Words in 3-D jumping out of the pages you will come to the realization that the Bible is speaking of itself!
“I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME.”
(John 14:6)
So this argument of Calvinism vs Arminianism is settled, EVERYONE can approach the scriptures the way I did, and EVERYONE can love God the way did, and God will reveal Himself to whom ever He sees is ready to receive His Truth. So the question is not which one of these two views is correct, but rather how much is the individual willing to do to love and find God!
“If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.”
(John 8:31-32)
Wow this happened to me when I got saved
God indeed reveals Himself to those who seek after Him. His word comes alive by His Spirit, bringing the Zoe life of God into the core of our being.
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY you chose to take.....
Again, choice is important in the life of a christian...
@@NyamburaES thank you for your words of encouragement !! All Glory be to God!! Keep fighting the Good Fight with all thy might!! 🙏🏻
Technically, you were talking about your decision to follow Jesus after all the spiritual journey you've been through. That's free will. Yes, you don't have to label it as Arminianism or whatever. But use of free will (decision) to follow Jesus is what Arminians believe. Lots of believers don't even know they hold on to the Arminian theology including me, until last year when I started attending a reformed church and started to do a more in depth studies on both.
@@buencaminoph it wasn't until I finally got saved that i realized Reformed theology is true
I tried to "choose God" and kept falling away
it wasn't until God saved me, He regenerated me and then I now endure in the faith
you can not endure by your free will, you need the Spirit and He remains with us until the end
this whole idea of "choose to follow God, choose to remain in Christ"
if that were true, no one would ever remain in Christ, we can only do it by the Spirit
this video has many theological errors
Hello Brother Vlad. I am a Calvinist (at least a four point-still working through limited atonement). Appreciate your thoughts on this, it is helpful to see the Arminian position clearly stated.
I have to say that not all of the Calvin positions are articulated accurately here (especially that you are representing double-predestination). I would encourage those who are interested in understanding the Calvinist position to take a look at Wayne Grudems Systematic Theology. It states, in an easy to read way, the Calvin understanding of scripture.
I agree that Calvinists can be pretty aggressive in our defense of our theological understanding of scripture, and for that I am sorry. It is wonderful to have brothers and sisters all around the world, saved by Grace, through faith in our wonderful Lord, Jesus Christ. Happy to count you a brother and enjoy working through scripture in such a way. Appreciate your video.
I struggled working through limited atonement like you as well. I would recommend reading the death of death by John Owen, it is a hard read, but if you can take notes while reading it it will clear this doctrine up miraculously
Double-predestination is made up by calvinists. Keep working though, eventually you will have to come to terms with God authoring sin and your god being a moron that needs people to translate his words because when he spoke them, he didnt mean what he said.
I would recommend the Bible. When we look elsewhere for our answers and those answers are from sinful men, we get led astray.
One of the main reasons we receive the Holy Spirit is for Him to help us understand what's written. I Cor.2:12 says, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words."
When the Scriptures say Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (Jn.3:16), that is exactly what He means. The "world of the elect" is a made-up term to fit a made up principle. It is not based in Scripture. The Scriptures teach that adding or taking away from what God says is a big no-no. Prov. 30:5-6 says, "Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar." We need to stick to what it says and ask Him for His wisdom. James 1:5-6a says, "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting..."
@@derpywho1394 appreciate that Derpy. Of course we understand that Calvin and Arminius are interpreting scripture and that we have an ‘Acts 17’ responsibility to examine the scriptures to see if these things are so. I find it so encouraging to discuss these matters, even where we understand doctrine differently. We are sharpened in the scriptures as we discuss these things as brothers. And one day, all of our theology will be corrected as we worship at the feet of the one who has finished His work in us, to the praise of His glory. Blessings!
@@seantallent3676 I intend to read John Owen at some point. Soo many other books on the table though! Hoping to finally read my Josephus book soon as I enjoy reading the history of the times.
I wanted to mention, ive been Very damaged from this tension between Armenianism and Calvinism because of one of the guys in my church that I used to attend. Ive dealt with much doctrinal conflict before because of my mom and dad being of different denominations. Having said that, All this inner fighting can have an unhealthy effect on others outside of those beliefs and on their growth with with Christ Jesus, if so, please keep me in prayer Brother, thank you!
Dont look at people always. Look at Jesus who is the author(source, leader, founder) and finisher(perfector) of your faith.
If you need encouragement from fellow man turn to John Lennox, pastor Mike Winger, and pastor Gene Kim. Those are who I turn to if I need clarity of something and need answers in these times were there are so many false teachings because of UA-cam(false prophets,etc), through music(Jesus Culture aka bethel), and yes, movies(The Chosen aka Mormonism, God's Not Dead).
Both Arminianism and Calvinism are wrong but of the two calvinists are TERRIFYING
Arminianism is also Calvinist - actually. U should go to the channel beyond the fundamentals and he explains these things so well and will really help recover ur faith
The nature that comes with Calvinism is vicious. They can be very hard, assertive, and rejecting. Don’t be fooled. It’s a stronghold of the enemy. I think it’s because their justification or election actually hinges upon their knowledge so we’re never perceived as reasoning but as accusing. Anyone who doesn’t mirror their so called “right knowledge” is a threat. Their theology is belittling and degrading towards mankind and they reflect that in the way they treat others. My advice, Just focus on lifting up Jesus. They need this most of all!
I'm so glad you talked about this! I was a Calvinist. I left in October. A friend of mine always picked on me for it and I challenged her one day and told her to explain to me Roman's 9. She did. She didn't put words in my mouth and she walked me through verse by verse and took me to the passages Paul was quoting. It was a four hour theological discussion that ended in tears and deliverance! It was not until I prayed to God for the truth AND humility that I saw the truth. Calvinism severely hindered my faith and my relationship with God. We need to start teaching the dangers of Calvinism. I fell for it because no one really talks about predestination besides Calvinists. Predestination is talked about in the Bible obviously but the Calvinist interpretation just is not correct. Pray for your Calvinist brothers and sisters! They can change. I did. :)
We praise you Adoni for removing scales ✝️🙏🏽❤️🔥🤗
If Romans 9 did not have the interpretation that calvinist hold to then why does Paul make the statement below in verses 19-21? It's very obvious that predestination and election is up to God's choice and who are we to talk back and question God about it and that is the position and argument Paul makes.
“You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?”
Romans 9:19-21 NKJV
@josiahhowell6666 it was a question posed to Paul as to why Israel killed its messiah. God's will was to save and Isreal needed to be blinded to fulfill the prophecy. If we're blind from birth, you can't blind a 2nd time. If one has no eyes there'd be no reason to speak in parables if the pharasees were already unable to see the truth. Calvinism is wrong
Is it possible to change what God knew from the beginning. Is God ever learning? Isaiah 46:10 Why is it necessary to make God fit into our tiny mold of understanding. God is to be accepted but not necessarily understood. Who can know the mind of God? 1 Cor. 2:16.
@11jimbo11 Moses and God actually argued and God gave him Aaron to help him speak to Pharoah.
Ex-calvinist and ex-homosexual here... Waiting to watch. 👀
Praying you are not mocking the man of God for those who mock the Holy Spirit
Woohoo!! Carlos! My brother, praise the Lord!!!!
Oh! I just checked out your channel briefly! You speak Spanish too!! I’m from Dallas and have moved to Arkansas so I don’t get to practice my Spanish here as much anymore. What better way than to watch your amazing testimonies on your channel. 😊 Gloria a Dios! I’ve already subscribed! ❤
@@Azariah.HelpedByYHWH WHAT????
I didn’t expected to see you here, I like your videos, they remembered me a lot of things that I almost forgot, I’m still practicing what you taught in your videos, sometimes it’s hard but I know it requires discipline, I still struggle with homosexuality, but I know in God I will conquer this fight. God bless you
@@johndisalvo6283 say what what what what let me show you real quick
I am not a Calvinist, though no matter what it is we trust in Lord Jesus and live in total repentance.
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Soteriology is a great subject. It is worth checking out differing views. Either way Jesus is the god man and died for all of us and our sins. So yes not a calvanist but there still are some great preachers out there who are.
I am most definitely not a calvinist. Truly understanding your theology and the doctrine of where you worship really does matter imo. Blessings to all ❤️🔥
❤amen
he misrepresented calvinism
You don't know the Reform doctrine, therefor you don't realize that actually both camps practice the majority of the same doctrine. The differences are not a salvation issue. Best to be civil and love each other.
I learned an equal amount of both and it is beneficial. 😃
I did not know about these two views but I can say that as a child I was given Calvinistic teachings. As I started seeking Jesus personally, I understood that it is not true.
Amen sister
Amen!
I was a Calvinist before watching this and after watching this I am still a Calvinist.
When I go to heaven, the difference between me and another person who went to hell won’t be that I had the good sense to choose God but it will be that God choose me out his rich mercy and grace, 100% God!!!!!
God bless you all!
And he chose that other person to go to hell?
@@hdtn99 everyone by default is going to hell unless God saves them
you do not deserve heaven, no one does
Romans 3: ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
NO ONE seeks God, NO ONE understands
you give too much credit for humans
the fact that you can live 100 years and defy and hate God the whole time is a testament of His mercy and patience
So you were Brainwashed before you watched this video and you are still Brainwashed after watching this video!
Actually, God never died for you...so how can you say you will be in Heaven..huh?
@@Mybackupphone-q6n ok blasphemer
Grow up
Me too, brother.
Savchuck doesn't even understand the Bible let alone Reformed theology yet I still pray that God humbles down the pride of him and his church so they may see their vulnerable state
I do believe they're siblings with Christ but they're in borderline heresy like I was until I became a Calvinist
Thank you for this! I’ve encountered many Calvinists and couldn’t begin to tell them how wrong they are on all of this. When you know God and His ways, you can easily spot how backwards Calvinism is from how God operates. I’ve also found many of them to be into intellectualism, which reeks of pride and arrogance
Yeah similar here. Those people I've met who have Calvinistic views, have studied theology and have strayed from the true doctrine..
It's always the theologian, they don't know a thing except the lies satan has taught them, also a pastor that starts his title with Doctor, like now we bow, run,
You state that you couldn't begin to tell Calvinists how wrong they are on this subject. Just curious, did you provide those Calvinists with a sound, exegesis of scripture to show them their error? Because if not, then that was a very unloving thing to do. Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth (1 Cor 13:6).
@@EdwardThe2nd.yes I did provide scriptures to them. Trust me I did it in the most loving way possible. I could tell it wasn’t sitting well with them because they were getting upset (clearly a sign of demonic possession/affliction). Demons hate the truth and they would always try to pivot to other topics to get me to trip up theologically
@@BradyA7 Could you elaborate on the scriptures that you shared with them that prove that the doctrines of grace (doctrine of election) is a false doctrine?
I love how you finished with the questions helping people to understand their own view.
I’m a Christist and believe God wants everyone because he loves us all as his word says. No one is brought to the cross that God did not draw to himself. His word is not called Good News for no reason. I stand with him being a loving and gracious Father who loves everyone he cared to create. Forget favoritism or random selection. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made.
So, God draws some to the cross, and the others?
So in other words, you’re a calvinist. Stop trying to misrepresent yourself, just be honest. No need to try to deceive. You just affirmed limited atonement, AKA the core tenet of Calvinism, AKA a heretical, demonic split off of true Christianity. Praying for you!
I believe in the points of Calvinism, because they are biblical. My confidence in my salvation is rooted in the sovereignty of God. My assurance to get through the day, and through this life are rooted in a belief that God saved me and keeps me.
To be an Armenian I would be, depending on myself, as the decisive means of being saved, and to continue believing. That word, decisive is very important. Because if the ultimate decisive thing in being saved and staying a believer is me, then I am on very shaky ground. Who knows what could happen to me in the future that would cause me to decisively choose to walk away from God?
Every person who believes in the free will of man in these ways, has to grapple with these questions. You simply cannot have any assurance that you are truly saved or that you will stay saved if you believe Armenian theology. Decisively it is on you and not God. You may be asking for help to believe from God today, but you might not tomorrow. And you don’t know the future. What you do know is that you are a sinner and the chief sin of man which sends them to hell is to decide to walk away from Jesus your savior. And you don’t know if you will ever do that in your lifetime.
Because it is biblical, and because it brings the greatest comfort and assurance, I am a firm believer in the Bible’s explanation of how we get saved and stay that way. You can call it Calvinism if you want to, I just call it biblical salvation and assurance.
Well said. It's always good to hear from someone else who understands Scripture, by the Grace of God. Thanks for your comments Brother.
Absolutely. How can a dead man be raised from the dead by his own will? Spiritually speaking.
If you read the Bible from Genesis to Reverlation, it is very clear that humanity has free will and God punnishes them when they do wrong. But the fact of the matter is you don't need to believe in calvinism to have certainity in Christ. Christ's offer is for everyone and you just need to accept it. Utimately his offer isn't really about heaven and eternal life (although you will get those things), but about a relationship with him. The more you know about him, the more you want to be with him and the more time you spend with him, the more you want to know him. Calvinism gives a false impression of the love God has for humanity and the kind of being our God really is, why would you want to believe something that undermines just how good our God is.
@@markdurdle7710 My Friend, you’re basing your opinion on the Assumption that Man is basically good and that Man can understand the Spiritual need to repent, and he in and of Himself of his own volition has the knowledge and understanding and “Free Will” to choose to Accept Jesus. Am I wrong?
You may remember in ( Romans 6: 15-23). Apostle Paul informed us that we are either “Slaves” to Sin or “Slaves” to Righteousness. Is this passage not true Brother?
Where in that passage is Man’s “Free Will” to make His own Destiny?
We are not born good ( Romans 3: 10-12) as some suppose.
In ( Ephesians 2: 1-10 ) you read that we are all Spiritually Dead until God “Makes” us Alive in Christ.
In (1st Corinthian’s 2:14) Apostle Paul advised us the We “CANNOT” understand things of the Spirit of God because we are Flesh.
So the question is How can a “Spiritually Dead” Man do or even know how to Save Himself? Jesus said of the Spiritually Dead, “Let the Dead bury the Dead.” ( Luke 9:60 )
So since a Man cannot choose to Save Himself, how is one Saved? This is what Nicodemus was asking Jesus in ( John 3: 3-7)
Jesus advised us the we must be Born again, did He Not?
Born from above. A Man cant create Himself in the Womb and cause himself to be Born of Flesh the First Time, how can he be Reborn by the Spirit in and of himself the 2nd Time?
Of Course the answer is it is Impossible.
So how can a Spiritually dead person who knows nothing of Gods Spirit and is a Slave to Sin, become a Slave to Righteousness and be Pleasing to God? It’s called “ Regeneration” of the Spirit (Titus 3: 1-7) God gives us a new Heart (Ezekiel 26:36) ( Jeremiah 31: 3) ( Hebrews 8:10) This is what (Ephesians 2: 1-10) is talking about.
So you see that a Man cannot Save Himself of his own so called “Free Will” and never would with out First God choosing to Save Him, Regenerating Him and then keeping Him
(Ephesians 1:13) and ( John 10:27-29).
My Brother, once a man has had his Mind opened to understand Scripture as JESUS did with His Apostles (Luke 24:45) and God “Grants” him repentance ( Acts 11:18) all of which is the result of His Regeneration by God, he will freely come to The Cross to be Saved. Not because he was coerced or forced, but because he was first chosen by GOD, drawn by GOD, given understanding by GOD, granted repentance by GOD and was washed in the Sacrificial Blood of Christ by GOD .
The Man made “Free Will” doctrine puts Man’s choice at the center of His Salvation. Calvinism ( Reformed Doctrine ) put Jesus (God) at the Center, beginning and end of your Salvation.
Please read ( Hebrews 12:2-4 ) with new eyes to see Brother, and you will see that when you found yourself having Faith in Christ and went to the Cross to be Saved, it wasn’t because YOU chose to have Faith, it was because God chose to give the Gift of Faith to YOU. Faith is not Man’s gift to God, it is Gods gift to Man. What’s more, is that you were chosen “before the Foundation of the World.” Ephesians 1: 4-6.
Free Will doctrine is Self Centered and Humanistic and was born out of Man’s Pride. Reformed Doctrine is God Centered, God Honoring and giving God ALL Glory and ALL the Credit to GOD for HIS plan to redeem Men to Himself, by Himself, without the Help of Man. Remember what God said clearly in Isaiah 42:8? He will “not share His Glory with anyone else.”
The Glory of God through Jesus Christ has nothing to do with The choice of SINFUL as Man could then boast! Salvation is Created by God and carried out by GOD.
This is of the Sovereignty of GOD, not Man. This is why we Worship GOD as our Savior and Praise Him and Thank Him for HIS Mercy and Grace for Saving such Sinful Men as You and I.
Do you have another question?
God didn’t give us a choice in being born the first time, it’s strange that we think we should of our own free will be born again.
It's not impossible to believe that God can know the end from the beginning, and still allow free will. To know something is not to cause it, necessarily. Understanding free will is very important in understanding Scripture. For one thing, there can be no true love without it. To be free to NOT love, and to LOVE ANYWAY! THAT is true love. Therefore, free will is a key part of the logic, and the beauty, of the plan of salvation.
Well said! Thank you for that.
Arminianism is what I've always believed we have free choice and God doesn't force us in any way. And this is what makes sense
If God didn't grace you, then you'd still be a hater of God, dead in your sins.
It's weird to say God "forced" salvation on you.
That's like saying, "I changed my baby's dirty diaper forcefully."
Where in fact, we are sinners who would prefer to roam around in our own dirty diaper, but God gave us something that is good.
So, if you saying that God is not the One who knew his people for whom he died for - (a specific,known and an 100% successful sacrifice) , you saying that Jesus Christ sacrifice could be in vain as He is waiting upon His creation acceptance for His sacrifice. Is the creation sovereignty over God, or the other way?
Reformed theology doesn't teach that God forces anything on anyone, nor does it reject free choice. Reformed theology affirms both human free will and the sovereignty of God. Humans can choose to believe or not believe, but it's just to say that God already knows what they will choose, because God is omniscient (He knows all things). God simply knows the end choice of all humans. That's very different from God forcing people. VERY big misconception that many people have.
@@johnnluc The way I wrapped my head around that (last question) is that God is indeed soverein - which is His authority/place and His choice to give us a free will is a function of that authority. The good news is that He works in us, always calling/knocking/inviting, but yes, we are still free to answer or not.
Use to be so confused by this but I’ve come to the conclusion both in my opinion and scripture, that Jesus knows who will choose him, he’s outside of time. I believe he takes his hands off free will. I am armini…. We can’t come to the father unless he draws us…. We don’t know who he will draw so we preach the gospel. But people have a choose, that’s where free will is….. he desires that NO MAN should perish. Jesus died on that cross for everyone… he loves everyone but already knows who will and won’t choose him.
Recently converted it's beautiful to learn all the aspects of Christianity
welcome to the war ... pray all the time and monitor your thoughts ... always praising God for changing your heart and mind too look and sound like jesus
Grab a study Bible and read. Avoid any church that emphasizes entertainment and emotion over biblical exposition. You need to be fed the word.. the pastor is doing his duty if he teaches verse by verse through the Bible. Its a bad sign if they have a handheld mic in their hand instead of a Bible.
You'll be 90% of the way there by following these two pieces of advice.
Arminianism makes complete sense when you look at the broader picture as opposed to cherry-picking of Bible verses..
Thank you for this pastor! This has increased my understanding in some areas of other beliefs that are not in line with Gods’ truth.🙏 All praises be to God!
Shalom from Switzerland. You are absolutely right. We must beware of man made theology. God created man to have relationship both ways, not to Be a puppet in the hands of God.
Ooh I've been waiting for this!! Been wanting to see you talk about it🙌🔥
Was raised Baptist with strong influence from Calvinism. During my time at college I got intrigued by it and everything within the realm of connection between intellectualism and faith. But only when I grew in experimental knowledge and got delivered from pride and religion, I really got discernment to see the trap within Calvinism. Personally, I decided not to question God's sovereignty and the free will of mankind at the same time. It is in the seemingly paradoxical where the tension arises and tension releases energy. Somebody advised me once to learn to live with the tension of unresolved spiritual principles for there is life.
So good!
Very good and deep thoughts, Agnes. Thank you for sharing your story!
I reached the same conclusion. Both are true, God is sovereign AND we have a choice to make. I do not understand how to make sense of all the passages supporting predestinarion, but the truth is in the tension as you say. Sometimes I wonder if God puts forward both teachings to prevent us going too far in either direction??
I too reached the same conclusion about 10 years ago.
This is rather interesting to hear from you. What trap in particular are you referring to in terms of Calvinism? Additionally, would you rather remain in confusion or uncertainty regarding our Doctrines of Grace which are fundamental to the understanding and essence of our salvation? I’m not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate so I may understand your position more clearly, especially the “traps” that Calvinism sets
Great video! I was raised Mennonite. I despised my upbringing and started a party lifestyle in my teens and twenties. When I had enough of hopeless living, I repented and gave my life to Christ Jesus and have journeyed with God for 10 years now. I have been to many churches and have seen parts of Calvinism creep in to baptist, Mennonite, and many nondenominational belief systems. It’s detrimental. They don’t even value the importance of perusing the gifts of the spirit.
Can the sinner approach the throne of God without the draw of God?
Is gods ones and God’s will defined the same?
Is John 3:16 in the Greek telling us whosoever believes or whoever is believing?
Acts 7:51 seems to state an active presence of rejection. Where is the mention of the draw of God in contrast?
John 14:15
"If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments.
Did he say you can keep? Is it optional?
Lose salvation? Didn’t paul say nothing separate us from Christ?
@@HillbillyBlackI'm still waiting on that draw.
@@AnaxofRhodes i don't have the energy to argue. I lost my job Friday so im dealing with that. But can we both agree that Christ is King and sovereign over all future happenings in our life?
@@HillbillyBlack Very sorry to hear that. Hope all pray you recover quickly from this. 🙏 Please don't spend too much time arguing.
Christ is King, and God is Sovereign, yes.
@@HillbillyBlack It looks like I implied I was waiting for a response from you. My apologies. That was not my intention. What I meant was "I'm still waiting on the draw of God."
Sound insight, thanks for sharing, it is because of our free will we fell into sin, is through the same free will, God wants us to choose Him to be with Him eternally. Excellent content as always, thank you, Shalom from Malta🙏
Our free will would never choose God, we fell into sin, we can’t get up from up as we are dead in our sins. We need to be saved, a supernatural gift that happens completely unrelated to us
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” ~Jeremiah 29:13.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. ~2 Peter 3:9
@Changeur2009 BAM!!
IN ORDER FOR US TO SEEK GOD HE MUST FIRST CALLS US. FULL CONTEXT IS NEEDED HERE, AND EVERYWHERE.LET US PRAY FOR OTHERS AND HAVE MERCY ON OTHERS IN THE HOPES GOD SOFTENS ALL HEARTS AS MANY AS GOD WILL HAVE MERCY ON AND CALLS.....WITH LOVE FOR GOD ABOVE ALL THINGS AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER WHILE GODS DOOR IS STILL OPEN..
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@@mossymaple false doctrine. read scripture again :) mike winger has a good video to educate you on why your beliefs are incorrect and unbiblical. look up “Mike Winger- Calvinism” :)
Every time I’ve started to come closer to believing Calvinism, I’ve felt my soul dying because life and my decisions seem predetermined and ultimately out of my control.
Read "What about Free Will? Reconciling Our Choices with God's Sovereignty" by Scott Christensen. You don't understand Calvinism.
Has your life ever been completely in your own control?
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 God's answer to that question is the only one that ultimately matters. We are all commanded to submit to Him and what He says in His Word.
God’s Kingly Freedom/Sovereignty & Eternal Decree: Gen 1:1; Job 42:2; 1 Sam 2:25; 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Kings 11:23; Ezra 1:1, 6:22, 7:27; Neh 9:7; Josh 11:20; Dan 2:21, 4:17, 25, 34-35; 1 Chron 29:11-13; Ps 22:28, 24:1, 33:10, 47:7-9, 93:1-5, 96:4-10, 97:1, 99:1-5, 103:19, 105:7-11, 24-25, 115:1-13, 135:1-21, 139:16; Prov 16:1, 4, 9, 33, 19:21, 20:24, 21:1, 21:1, 30; Eccl 3:1-15, 11:5; Jer 32:27, 25:9; Isaiah 6:1-4, 14:27, 44:28, 46:8-11; Matt 10:29; Acts 17:26, 4:27-28; Eph 1:11; 1 Tim 6:15; James 1:13-15
God’s Perfect Omniscience & Infallible Foreknowledge: Job 28:24, 37:16; Ps 139:1-3, 147:5; Isa 55:8-9; Matt 10:29-30; Rom 11:33-34; 1 Cor 2:10-11; Heb 4:13; 1 John 3:20
All of your pain and suffering is either predetermined or accidental and God did not decree it to be.
I am a predetermined creature that may have been made out of sin or not, and the actions of man does NOT change God having known me before the foundations of the world.
@@FabledNarrative *chosen
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation.
What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
I think you confuse God being in control with God being in charge. God does not control our decisions. He gave us free will and choice. Therefore, we are allowed to choose if He is in charge of our lives. He does not control our choice of Him or the world. This does not take away from His Godhood of being in charge. He is the Creater and the Master. He does reign, but does not control like a puppetmaster.
@Jake P. The problem is not that we are not free to choose what we want, but that what we choose is severely limited by our desires. We freely choose to disobey God because that is all we want to do. Just as we cannot fly like Superman due to our physical limitations, we cannot obey God due to our spiritual limitations. We are free to choose all sorts of ways to disobey God, but we simply cannot choose to obey God without having our desires radically reorganized (some would say regenerated)-and we are powerless to do this on our own. Apart from God and left to our sinful selves, we will choose sin (Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3; Romans 3:10-12).
Romans 8:5-8 identifies the spiritual limitations to our “free will”: “Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (emphasis added). From the context, it is clear that those who “live according to the flesh” are unbelievers. Their wills are in bondage to sin, and so sin is all they want to do. They cannot submit to God’s law.
If this is the case, who then can be saved? “All things are possible with God” (Mark 10:27). The Lord so works in some to energize their spirits and give them a desire to repent and believe (see Acts 16:14). Sinners do not do this on their own but only under the convicting power of the Spirit. If it were otherwise, the saved could boast that they possessed some wisdom or moral superiority that caused them to choose to repent and believe when confronted with the facts, even while so many others continue to reject the gospel. But we are saved by grace, and no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). God is not obligated to save anyone (He has free will), yet He desires that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). He offers salvation to everyone (Titus 2:11) yet He will not force anyone to come to Him. By His sovereignty, unchanging character (Malachi 3:6), foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5) He predestines some to salvation. Others He allows to continue in rebellion-which is exactly what they want to do. In either case, people make real, uncoerced choices.
I was raised Calvinist. My understanding of predestination as it was taught is that God chooses who will be saved and there is nothing any of us can do about it. What I get from reading scripture is that predestination is another way of expressing the idea of foreknowledge. Because God is not bound by time, He already knows who will be saved. Predestination seems to contradict 1 Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9, and we supposed to use the full counsel of God. To paraphrase, God wants everyone to be saved, so why would he deny them the opportunity to choose?
@Ryan Kelly Certainly, since God knows everything, it would have been possible for God to base His predestination and election of individuals upon His foreknowledge of the future. In fact, that is the exact position that many Christians believe, as it is the Arminian view of predestination. The problem is that it really is not what the Bible teaches about predestination, election, and foreknowledge. The view that “God made His choice based on merely knowing the future” is not what the Bible teaches. For it is certainly true that God foresees faith; He foresees all that comes to pass. The question would then simply be: whence proceeds this faith, which God foresees? And the only biblical answer is that the faith which God foresees is the faith He himself creates (John 3:3-8; 6:44, 45, 65; Philippians. 1:29; 2 Peter 1:2). Hence His eternal foresight of faith is preconditioned by His decree to generate this faith in those whom He foresees as believing.
@@johntrevett2944 I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I just don’t like the Calvinist phrasing of it. It implies that we do not choose salvation and undermines the nature of our relationship with God. He may choose us, but He gives us the choice to reject Him. I do think God chooses certain people for certain roles or to fulfill certain needs, but it still requires willing submission, a positive choice.
Great job proving Calvinism is biblical Vlad👍🏻
Very well done Vlad. Thanks 🙏
FINALLY!! The video I’ve been waiting for. Thank you Vlad! 😁
JESUS Christ Died for all
Then why would there be a Hell? If God the Fathers Son was sacrificed for all, I’m not trying to undermine the capabilities of the sacrifice because the sacrifice made is more than big enough to save all of man kind nor am I trying to argue because you believe in Christ and for that I Love you in fellowship of our Lord. I think you’re trying to say
“Christ died for whosoever believes and walks with Him.”
Because there will be many who on the day of judgement say “Lord Lord” and he will say “depart from me I never knew you worker of iniquity.”
@@Mattebby20
🧑⚖️ Jesus Christ died for all but only those who believe in him shall be saved.
🧑⚖️ Nowhere in the scriptures says his sacrifice is only for those who believe, otherwise you have to provide one.
All races
Elect from every nation
Would it have unfair of God
To not let people choose their
Lifestyle and vocation and do
Their own thing yet also save
Some and not others!
All races
Elect from every nation!
Romans 9
Good overview of Calvinism & Arminianism! How God has drawn me to Jesus Christ and has molded me over the past 68yrs makes me more of a believer of Calvinistic doctrine. My dreams/visions and theological journey was dramatic and intense - which started at 8 yrs, then 16 yrs old, etc.... there was not much of my free will involved. God’s ultimate sovereignty prevails! Man's free will and reasoning is so fraught with sin through pride and self absorption, we need God's grace to have pure faith in Jesus Christ. John 6:44 is pretty clear!
I'm a Presbyterian (calvinist) but never knew about limited atonement. My church focus on spreading the gospel and salvation by the grace of God. Doesn't matter as long as Christ is our number 1. God bless you all
A verry good channel of an ex calvinist: ua-cam.com/users/liveN-31R68BWXc?feature=share
It does matter if you've kicked the Holy Spirit out of the church like Calvanists/cessationists have done. If you reject any ministry or gift of the Spirit you are grieving the Holy Spirit, and therefore grieving God and against His will. Deliverance is a sign that the kingdom of God has come amongst you. How are you going to receive deliverance if you believe that the supernatural power of God operating through a believer by way of the Holy Spirit ceased in the "apostolic age"?
The Lord Jesus said that these signs shall accompany those who have BELIEVED(a believer): they will speak in new tongues, in my name they will cast out devils, they will pick up serpents (excersize authority over the demonic), if they should drink anything poisonous it shall not harm them, and they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.
Do you see how cessationism (one of the tenets of calvinism) is against the will of God.
The doctrine of calvinism is a recipe for dead lifeless churches with no Holy Spirit. If you reject any gift of the Spirit, you reject all and grieve Him.
@@daves3587 But Bro, in my Church doctrine Holy Spirit plays an important part, the Trinity. Our Church received atleast three revivals for the past 120 years, thats the work of the Holy Spirit
@Dave S ...had your shot of poison juice lately, or are you grieving the HS
@@Rad7272dad LOL I'll charge that to your ignorance
All these answers are done by free will. We are accountable for every word we say (that is biblical).
What is autonomous free will though?
I agree with Arminianism
Thanks for this video pastor Vlad. Watched this video with my wife and lots of questions answered. God bless! 🙏🙌🏻
Thanks for handling this video with gentleness. I lean reformed but I don’t like the titles so I don’t identify as Calvinism or Arminian. I respectfully disagree with some of this (mostly on demons) but thanks for your gentleness and willingness to try to accurately explain both sides
Thank you Jesus for never leaving my side, because everyone else has! Jesus! I PRAISE you! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I feel like a failure but I will keep faith because faith is all I have left! Since covid I can’t seem to get back on my feet. I lost my job for declining the vaccine. I declined due to my health conditions. I suffer from lupus, and heart disease. I’m now waitressing and so thankful to be working but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. I started homeschooling them because they were having so many issues with bullying. I feel so alone. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets with my boys. I’m struggling buying groceries I’m so discouraged. Jesus hear my cries I’m so tired. But I have faith! I WILL NOT FEAR! I know God will continue to provide for me and my children. So I praise you Jesus! And thank you in advance!
Praying for you!
Listen to this song: I will not fear Elohim shomri
AMEN!!! I see a picture of Jesus hugging you and your two boys, wow…what a beautiful and intentional love from Jesus for your family ❤ I pray SUPERNATURAL healing for your body in Jesus’ mighty name. I release the miracle oil of God all OVER your body, mind, will and emotions and heart. 🙏🩸 I plead the blood of Jesus to cover your boys and protect you three. 🙏🙏🙏
Brothers pray for my wife and l because l want to leave Calvinism because l know that the God of the Bible desires to save all who surrender to Jesus, but my wife is so committed. to the people from Church she won't leave.
I love your simplicity and clarity
I came out of new age 7 years ago and became a Christian. I remember being so thrilled to take the journey, but when I discovered Calvinism shortly after, I could see where they were coming from, but it always discouraged me so much. I felt like I could never be sure God truly loved me and wanted my salvation and of those around me. I always hold to the scriptures of God not wanting any to perish and how he loves the whole world. If anyone can help reconcile what Romans 9 is actually teaching in regards to Jacob and Esau’s election and such etc, that would be great. Thanks
Paul is quoting Malachi chapter 1 when talking about Jacob and Esau. Read that chapter for context but Malachi and then Paul is referring to nations of people not individual salvation.
Calvinism is the definition of what the Bible says to not turn aside to a different gospel than what you received (Galatians 1:6-7 +many other verses), for it is the grace for all to receive.
It is God's desire that no-one perishes, but that we receive through faith.
Calvinism comes a bit close to Jehovah's witnesses, they can't be sure of their salvation BC there is only a small amount who will.
Calvinism is a false doctrine.
Would recommend you to read the epistles of John (1,2&3).
@@elizeviktoria Thanks for your opinion, but this is what God says about the doctrine of election:
John 15:16 (the Lord chose his disciples)
Acts 13:48 (the Lord appointed)
Acts 16:14 (the Lord initiates)
Rom 8:29-30 (the Lord foreknew/predestined)
Rom 8:33 (the Lord's elect)
Eph 1:4-5,11 (the Lord chose/predestined)
Eph 2:8 (the Lord gives salvation as a gift)
Col 3:12 (the Lord has chosen his people)
2 Thess 2:13 (the Lord chooses you for salvation)
2 Tim 1:9 (the Lord saved us)
Titus 1:1 (those chosen by God)
So just to be clear (given your statements about Calvinism), are you saying that God is a liar?
@@elizeviktoria You have mentioned in other comments about a different gospel or a false gospel. Perhaps you could share with us the following: what is the gospel?
@@EdwardThe2nd.*crickets*
Clear! AND how timely for us all. Thank you.
I’m a Calvinist ,,though doesn’t matter what matters is that we all trust in The Lord Jesus Christ and we live in total repentance
Amen
Those faith seem to go again the bible like he pointed out
Hi, doesn't sound like your calvanist or reformed, they believe repentance is a work and that would be a lie to them, they believe they were chosen before the earth was formed, no repentance needed, if I were you research the satanic calvanist/reformed, and run before it's to late
FYI John Calvin didn't believe in predestination. Just sayin..
I totally agree with the comment about reading the Bible through the year. I think I’m on my third or fourth time. But I’m not just reading through it. I’m reading it and then writing down what I observed from it. What is God saying. And it really helps in this way to meditate more on what God is saying and to apply it to your life. You might not get through the Bible in a year. But you will get a better understanding.
Excellent Kim !
As a calvinist it is always a bit frustrating when these things are misunderstood.
For example, god does not want anyone to perish but for all to come to repentance, but man in its natural state will not come. No one seeks after god.
Yet god, in his grace, chose to give faith to some so they would not perish. It is not god making people go to hell, people are responsible for that on their own entirely.
If God decides to only give saving faith to a small remnant of people, why doesn't He give that faith to everyone? How is God not choosing them for Hell then?
You affirm that Gif does not want anyone to perish and then go onto say God in His grace chooses some to be saved. If he doesn't want anyone to perish why doesn't God in His grace choose all to be saved? Very strange.
Congrats! You've discovered you're not a Calvinist anymore! 😂
Romans 9 - 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Wrong, according to the false unbiblical theology of Calvinism God chooses to pass over the reprobate God makes this choice to knowingly send the mass majority to eternity in hell. That is not the true God of the Bible. Second Calvinism is fatalistic determinism, according to all types and versions God is the first and sole cause of all desires, there is no actual difference between hard determinism and compatibilism.
John 3:17 states Kosmos (all of humanity) Sozo subjunctive mood (HAS the ability possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved). Thus all have the ability to be saved, total inability and unconditional election (pre faith regeneration) is false.
There are literally hundreds of verses that refutes Calvinism. Please repent and leave this utterly false doctrine.
“who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,”
II Timothy 1:9 NKJV
I appreciate your addressing the subject because I always find the topic fascinating since I came to understand Reformed theology about three years ago. In short, I was saved at the age of 21 and am now 45 years old. I spent the majority of my Christin life under the Arminian perspective as I was an Assembly of God minister. I will say that it was a difficult and drawn-out process for me to come to the Biblical truth of God's sovereignty over salvation but now that I have, I see it in almost every book of the Bible, both old and new testaments. I will admit that there can be some minister's on both sides of the argument that can be poor examples of Christain leadership but overall I appreciate the depth and richness of solid Biblical teaching that comes from the Calvanist and Reformed side. I will add that most people's arguments against God's sovereignty over salvation do always have misunderstandings and misrepresentations in their explanations of the teaching including yours represented here.
Well said. I was in the Assemblies of God for awhile. I got tired of the emotionalism and hystryonics. I shy away from that and any church where people are always talking about themselves and their experiences.
I couldn't agree more with you. I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, as I am also a reformed minister. But there was definitely some flawed understandings of Calvinism and reformed theology in this video.
@@waynv1835 Was is not God who "hardened Pharaoh's heart"? Did Moses have a say in leading the Israelites out of captivity? Did Noah ask to be the one who built the ark? Did the Apostle Paul ever repent of persecuting the followers of Christ before GOD chose him to write almost the entire New Testament, plant churches and become an Apostle? Who are we as the creation to question what the creator does? as the book of Job says "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Was it not God that allowed the devil to tempt Christ in the desert? Was it not God who allowed the devil to reek unimaginable pain on Job? God does not find pleasure in evil, but God works all things for His greater glory.
"Behold God is mighty, but despises no one; He is mighty in strength of understanding. He does not preserve the life of the wicked" - Job 36:5-6
NO BODY IS SAVED YET. ITS A HOPE WE HAVE . AND A CONFIDENT ONE BY FAITH IN GODS PROMISES BUT IF ANY MAN SAY HE IS SAVED , HE HAS JUDGED BEFORE THE TIME HIMSELF , AND THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, WHICH IS EMNITY AGAINST GOD....
THIS IS VERY SERIOUS . BECAUSE THE ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL FROM ALL THE FALSE TEACHERS JESUS SAID HAVE INFILTRATED THE CHURCH CONGREGATIOINS
Romans 11:22 KJ21 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF
VERY SERIOUS ERROR, I WILL SHARE TRUTH ON.
*1 CORINTHIANS 14:37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* OR THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AND IGNORED BOTH TEACHER AND CONGREGATIONS WHO DO NOT OBEY GODS COMMANDS ON THIS.*
*SAY WHAAT? THIS IS WHAT GOD SAYS. WE ARE TO TEST WHAT IS BEING SPEWED. SO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS IS NOT LED ASTRAY BY FALSE TEACHINGS, SO IT CAN BE CORRECTED ON THE SPOT IMMEDIATELY, SO THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION GETS THE TRUTH BEFORE THEY LEAVE, AND ALSO FOR ADDITIONAL REVELATIONS THE PERSON MEANS TO CONVEY TO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS*
*WHY? BECAUSE IF THE BODY OF BELIEVERS GET A FALSE TEACHING FROM ONE PASTORAL MAN, THEN THE ENTIRE CHURCH LEAVES SERVICE AND GOES HOME WITH AN UNCORRECTED THOUGHT THINKING IT WAS TRUTH. THAT IS DANGEROUS TO ALLOW FALSE DOCTRINE TO RUN AMUCK* THAT'S WHY MY FRIENDS!*
*1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 LET TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SPEAK, AND LET THE OTHERS PASS JUDGMENT.*
*30 BUT IF A REVELATION IS MADE TO ANOTHER (WHO IS SEATED), (THE FIRST ONE MUST KEEP SILENT.)
*31 FOR YOU CAN (ALL) PROPHESY (ONE BY ONE), (SO THAT (ALL) (MAY LEARN) AND (ALL) (MAY BE EXHORTED);
*32 AND THE SPIRITS OF PROPHETS ARE (SUBJECT to PROPHETS;)
*33 FOR GOD IS NOT A GOD OF (CONFUSION) BUT OF PEACE, (AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.)*
*37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.*
38*** AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE COMMANDS TO KEEP ORDER IN ALL THE CHURCHES, THEY WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED
38, AND IF ANYONE IGNORES THESE COMMANDS, THEY WILL BE IGNORED...
ITS INEVITABLE THAT THERE MUST BE LIARS/HERESEES AMONG MY PEOPLE , SO THAT THOSE WHO SPEAK TRUTH, WILL BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.. I REBUKE EVERYONE TO GODS FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH...
*Speak two or three - On the same days, or at the same meeting; see the note at 1 Corinthians 14:27. BARNES BIBLE COMMENTARY ON THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THIS CHARGED COMMAND WE MUST ALL HAVE VIGILANCE TO ADHERE TO*
*And let the other judge - The word "other" (οἱ ἄλλοι hoi alloi, "the others"), Bloomfield supposes refers to the other prophets; and that the meaning is, that they should decide whether what was said was dictated by the Holy Spirit, or not. But the more probable sense, I think, is that which refers it to the rest of the congregation, and which supposes that they were to compare one doctrine with another, and deliberate on what was spoken, and determine whether it had evidence of being in accordance with the truth.*
*It may be that the apostle here refers to those who had the gift of discerning spirits, and that he meant to say that they were to determine by what spirit the prophets who spoke were actuated. It was possible that those who claimed to be prophets might ERROR, and it was the duty of all to examine whether that which was uttered was in accordance with truth.*
*AND IF THIS WAS A DUTY THEN, IT IS A DUTY NOW; IF IT WAS PROPER EVEN WHEN THE TEACHERS CLAIMED TO BE UNDER DIVINE INSPIRATION, IT IS MUCH MORE THE DUTY OF THE PEOPLE NOW.*
*NO MINISTER OF RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ALL THAT HE SPEAKS SHALL BE REGARDED AS TRUTH, UNLESS HE CAN PROVE IT BY LETTING THE OTHERS TEST AND JUDGE WHAT HE SAYS WITH THE SCRIPTURES IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!*
*NO MAN IS TO BE DEBARRED FROM THE RIGHT OF INTERRUPTING AND THEN CANVASSING FREELY, AND COMPARING WITH THE BIBLE, AND WITH SOUND REASON IN DOCTRINES OF GOD'S WORD, all that the minister of the gospel advances TO ASSURE ALL THAT IS BEING TAUGHT IS DONE IN TRUTH & RIGHTEOUSNESS IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!*
*NO UPRIGHT MINISTER WHO FEELS HE IS SPEAKING GOD'S WORD WITHOUT ERROR , WOULD EVER HOLD BACK OR PROHIBIT THE PEOPLE FROM EXAMINING EVERYTHING THAT HE SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!*
*IT MUST NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!!*
READ 1 CORINTHIANS IN FULL.... THERE IS WAY MORE COMMANDS FROM CHRIST , INCLUDING WOMEN NOT EVEN ALOUD TO SPEAK IN CONGREGATION AT ALL PERIOD, IN FACT CHRIST COMMANDS IF ANY WOMEN HAS ANYTHING TO SAY AT ALL, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THEY GO HOME AND ASK THE MAN,
AND THE WOMEN MUST WEAR COVERING OVER THEIR HAIR AND HEAD WHILE PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND THE MAN MUST BE UNCOVERED DURING PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND JESUS SAID IF ANY OF YOU SEE THIS ANY OTHER WAY, KNOW THIS, THIS IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, AND TO NOT BE REBELLIOUS WICKED CHILDREN ABOUT THESE COMMANDS.
]ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT REBELLION TO GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS WITCHCRAFT, WARLOCKS, SORCERY, AND DIVINATION......1 SAMUEL 15.......!!!!!!! OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE TOO.....1 SAMUEL 15 AS WELL....
*REMEMBERING ALWAYS TO WARN AS MANY AS YOU CAN , LET US NOT COVER THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE WITH A COVERING , FOR WE ALL MUST REPENT OR WE HAVE BELIEVED IN VAIN, FOR YOU CAN BE SURE, THAT NOTHING IMPURE WILL ENTER GODS KINGDOM, AND GOD SAYS , LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU ON THIS MATTER, AND LET NO MAN TRY TO EXCUSE THESE WARNING OF DELIBERATE PRACTICING OF ANY SIN , PERIOD....
: HEBREWS 10: 26 IF WE DELIBERATELY (((WILLFULLY)))KEEP ON SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, NO SACRIFICE FOR SIN IS LEFT,*
*27 BUT ONLY A FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT AND OF RAGING FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD.*
28 ANYONE WHO **REJECTED* THE LAW OF MOSES DIED WITHOUT MERCY ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES.
*GRACE IS A GIFT, AND IF WE ABUSE IT BY DELIBERATELY CONTINUING TO PRACTICE SIN, WE ARE DESTINED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL!
*29 HOW MUCH MORE SEVERELY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED WHO HAS TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDERFOOT, WHO HAS TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, AND WHO HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?*
*PLEASE WARN YOUR FLOCKS! WE MUST BE HONEST WITH OUR TESTAMENT AND INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION! YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT HEBREWS, THIS IS HEBREWS 10:26 26 DEAR FRIENDS, IF WE DELIBERATELY CONTINUE SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE THAT WILL COVER THESE SINS.
* 1 JOHN 3 ELABORATES THE SAME THING. 6Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
7¶Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous.
8But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil.
9Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
10So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil.
GALATIANS 1:*14 I PAUL, THANK GOD THAT I DID NOT BAPTISE NONE/ANY OF YOU,*
@@Streetchaplainsforchristyou seem to misunderstand many of the scenarios you mention. Words like “allowed” and “asked” prove that their was a choice. Noah had the choice to build the ark, and he did. God didn’t force him to do anything because he had free will.
I did not realize it but I did have some Calvinistic views, recently I have been looking in to it because I really didn't know much about it, but after hearing your explanation I am ready to shed what Calvinistic views I had. Thank you for your explanation.
I don't hold much to Calvinism but regarding your 2nd question, it's actually the opposite for me on the topic of losing your salvation 😂 Personally, I feel like a person cannot lost their salvation (if they are truly born again and have the Holy Spirit in their life to guide and walk with them in their spiritual walk) because it feels like God's saving power isn't strong enough in that sense. But a believer can still be tempted with sin and fall into it because we have a renewed spirit while we live in our sinful flesh. But yeahh it's just weird for me regarding salvation 😭
Discussion about it is super cool, like whether a believer committing habitual sin without guilt while "born again". Personally, if I see that, I'd just come to the conclusion that the person's not saved because a genuinely born again Christian will feel guilt doing them, even if they are struggling with habitual sin
Am I going to be called all sorts of stuff for believing this by believers? I hope not. It's a secondary issue and we Christians shouldn't be so willing to argue and create debates with only the purpose of winning the argument or antagonizing the other size. This goes for both sides, me included
But yeah if it's primary issues on the other hand, then we got a problem, like Jesus not being God, God not being 3 in one, salvation not by grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone, and so on. That's what we should be focused on correcting
A verry good channel of an ex calvinist: ua-cam.com/users/liveN-31R68BWXc?feature=share
You are close, for those that endure, and do not fall away, continue there relationship with Jesus, now let's talk about Jesus, calvanist/reformed have a different Jesus as do celebrities, and country music, politicians they all have this God that is false, or 98% of them, the true Jesus says we must obey him, endure to the end, it's not be this person on Monday and the worldly on Tuesday, it's a close relationship with Jesus, when you have this relationship it's a thought and talk you will find goes on constantly thru out everyday, good bad and the ugly, and the Jesus help me, and the I just made it thru the day and I'm not sure how many things God saved me from cause it was a spiritual battle and I didn't see that one, but thank you Jesus, I love you, stay strong in Jesus a storm is here
I believe in Salvation. Because you are a new creation. Born in the family of God.
I believe the same brother. As we choose to put our trust in Jesus Christ we are born again. To think we can unborn ourselves and then be born again is just illogical. I believe that once our Spirit is made new, we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit. That's God's promise. Do we still sin? Yes. But we will regret. A new born Christian will always recognize sin as sin. The difference between a new born Christian and an unbeliever is that we as new born Christians try to avoid sin and hate it. Our new spirit HATES sin but our FLESH loves sin. God's grace is enough to save us and enough to persevere us. As Romans 8,39 says (in my own words): Nothing can seperate us from God's love. If we think WE can seperate ourselves, does that not make us God's? Surely we can't. I do not agree with Calvinism in such as they think God only saves certain people, but I have to say I agree with most of their other believes. I do believe that most Calvinists are saved as they do believe in salvation by grace through faith alone. That's my take on it. So if we take all of their points I would call my self neither of both, not a Calvinist nor an Arminianist, just a follower of Christ on his path, facing lots of challenges, trying to stay as close to the truth as possible.
What I believe is the important thing, is that every believer is brought to a mature Christian,
That they are not tossed to and throw by every wind of doctrine.
And that they are firmly established in the faith.
This was the main concern with the apostle Paul, not just bringing people to Christ, but to bring them to a place where they wouldn't fall away.
I was raised in a super-Calvinist environment. Over time, my Calvinist perspective eroded, particularly the belief in cessationism. I was supernaturally healed of a short leg and scoliosis and came to see that prophetic words and visions are for today. I also dug more into the early church and realized that Calvinism was a major departure from historic Christianity in several areas. I respect that there are people who are trying their best to love God as Calvinists, but I have realized that I am completely on the other side. This video was very clear and helpful. I can see why some Calvinists in the comments think that their side has been somewhat misrepresented, but I do think Vlad is right that these beliefs tend to create certain types of thinking. For example, as a teenager I really struggled with prayer because I didn't understand why we had to pray if God already knew what was going to happen anyway. It took the challenge of more Arminian/charismatic believers in my life to encourage me to pray for really specific things and see that God answered them. If anyone is interested in a more scholarly explanation of how Calvinism developed as a reaction to medieval abuses in the Western (Catholic) church and developed some of its own distortions in the process, I highly, highly recommend that you look up the work of Jon Ruthven.
I see your point :)
I had kind of the mirrored opposite experience that you had. I grew up in an Armenian household (I was part of the 6th or 7th generation of Christians with non-reformed faiths) and I was an armenian for 22 years. These past few years God put the desire in my heart to deeply study Theology, and the more I studied, the more I started to see how biblically unsound it was ti believe that I had any say in my salvation. So I started to study Theology, doctrines, denominations etc. and got to the conclusion that the reformed/calvinist faith is the most biblically accurate one.
But I am definitely not a cessationist when it comes to gifts, supernatural occurrences or even the gift of prophesying. I myself have a fee gifts such as discernment, spiritual experiences and delivery and usually the Ministries I lead or am involved with pertain to those gifts.
It's interesting that we both had opposite experiences but I believe that at the end of the day, what matters is believing in Jesus as your one and true savior with all out hearts and try our best to follow the biblical principles as close as we can, always relying on the Holy Spirit.
so you think God will change His mind about something if we pray about it?
Calvinism has nothing to do with cessationism.... Sam Storms, John Piper and one of the remnant radio guys is calvinist...
From what I understand about reformed theology (Calvinism)
7:10 Because of have sinned in Adam, all deserve judgement for our sins and you would never seek for God on your own unless drawn/chosen (John 6:44) because of the fathers love and mercy for his creation he freely chose who would be saved before you were born.
R.C Sproul has a fantastic book on this topic called "Chosen by God"
This understanding is what is missing from many who take issue with calvanism.
Grew up in Arminianism, like most Slavic Christians. Began studying scripture in 2010. Came to believe in more of a Calvinist views, though maybe not a 5 point Calvinist but definitely 4, for now. What I can’t reconcile is the idea of man being responsible for his own salvation. Bible tells us we are dead in our sin, so my question to you is WHO is responsible for your salvation?
I know that you try to keep your videos short, but I felt that you rushed through this very important subject. Excellent information.
Thank you Vlad Savchuk. God Bless you!
The Holy Spirit weeps for those in pain. Of course he doesn’t want to see his children walk away from him.
Greetings Pastor Vlad,
I follow you on UA-cam and listen to your preachings, which are a great blessing. Thank you. In regards to this topic, I would like to give a little of my own personal testimony. I’m in my late thirties, and I grew up in a Pentecostal (Arminian) church. My church was a bit extreme and had many “sinful” prohibitions, e.g., no movie theatres, no short pants and clean shaven for men, and for women no pants, wearing makeup, earrings, doing their eyebrows, or even shaving their legs. My church also had a peculiar interested in the topics of hell, and blaming everything on the devil, and demons. I recall as a child, being terrified of “losing my salvation” every time I did anything wrong. I was also afraid of being left behind in the rapture. Honestly, I was not at peace.
In college I met other Christian friends who were Calvinists. They instructed me and I could see they were strong in the faith and their conviction; they also had the peace and confidence I lacked. After graduating, I was looking for a job and ended up moving to another state. Over the years, through prayer and in depth Bible study, I began to understand Christian theology clearer. Today I lean more to the Calvinist side. I learned through my life experience, that if I have anything to do with my own salvation, than I can also be responsible of losing it. I confess that I am not strong enough to keep the faith! Calvinism teaches that God is responsible for saving you and He is also responsible for keeping you (John 10:28-29). I do not use this assurance as a license to sin, but to walk obediently and confidently through life knowing that nothing can separate me from the love of Christ Jesus.
That being said, I thank God for my original church because there I got saved and learned the foundation of my faith. Additionally, I still believe some Arminian teachings. For example, I believe that the gifts of the Spirit have not ceased. Christians can still utilize these gifts, e.g., healing and tongues, to strengthen the Church and to further the Kingdom of heaven.
May God continue to bless your ministry and all your listeners.
Thank you for the 3 questions. When I see from the whole scripture,especially from the ok’d testament, I cannot but see God choosing his people before man chooses him. Noah,Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Saul, Moses,and the entire Israelites, David and so on. So, your first question does help people see that. Calvinism is just another name for being true to the Scriptures. So, It doesn’t matter whether people use that name or not. The thing is that we must be faithful to the word. That is the legacy from the apostles and church fathers.
10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.
Knowlege is tempered, The Word teaches both views... leaning to far to right or left is off balance
The reason people have a hard time accepting that it is all of God and none of man is because of human pride and self centerdness. Soli Deo Gloria!
I've been in many debates concerning this very topic while attending bible college. We had students on both sides but over time I came to realize that the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
My suggestion is that your answer is a bit too vague that can be used in almost EVERY situation.
Straight only marriage or gay marriage? Somewhere in the middle.
Men can be women or men are only men? Somewhere in the middle.
Abortion or pro-life? Somewhere in the middle.
My suggestion is that you stand on God's word a bit more firmly.
@@FabledNarrative Those examples you have listed do not fall into the traditional arguments. Neither side has all the answers or one is correct / more correct than the other or more wrong than the other. I'd love to type out in more detail after my vacation and family is gone. Perhaps later next week if I remember :-)
@@FabledNarrative Unfortunatey you gave a poor comparisons to @BiscuitPuncher 's point. I believe they were saying basically "live in the center of biblical tension"; in this case God's soveriegnty and man's free will... you disagreed which is of course your perogative. However you conflated it to moral arguments that are clearly sinful. From your response, I take it your perspective is anyone who would disagree with your theological take is either a) a carnal christian at best or b) not a christian at all. Keep in mind faithful followers of Christ have held to both positions over the centuries and both have stronger and weaker arguments, but both can be genuine followers of Christ. Furthermore because someone seeks to take the Bible seriously and honor both sides of the soveriegnty/free will debate is not looking to be vague but rather acknowlege the bible teaches both and that ultimately only God understands the complexities of his own will and how it plays out. Please rethink the logical analysis you are bringing to your responses and consider charity in said responses as well. As our master said millenia ago, "Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples". We can discuss, and even strongly disagree, but assume the best (1 Cor 13:7) and still be charitable towards our siblings in the faith. Also, if i misread your intent my apologies, I am only going by what seems to be your approach. Again, if I am mistaken I am sorry.
My parents pastor who is reformed always said there is a tension between free will and God's sovereignty. He said to seek God and wrestle with it
Nice video as always. Love watching protestants debate on contradictory doctrines within protestantism. Makes it very clear that the more enlightened they get, the more Catholic they become, unintentionally ofcourse. Don't get me wrong, I still strongly believe that the reformation was an act of God, necessary to purge the church of corruption and some false teachings that had infiltrated it. However, the Catholic Church, despite its many obvious weaknesses, still remains the undeniable custodian of the true and ancient Christian doctrine as handed down by the Apostles. I know many will disagree,, but it's still OK.
Lol.
That's funny
Great to see your concern about contradictory doctrines. Here are some others for your consideration:
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Roman Catholic Church, Council of Trent, Canon 9 - If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Bible, Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church, "The Apostles Tradition", paragraph 100 - "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."
Bible, 1 Cor 2:10-13 - these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
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Roman Catholic Church, Pope Pius IX, Immaculate Conception - "... We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which asserts that the Blessed Virgin Mary, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God, and in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from every stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and, for this reason, must be firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful"
Bible, Luke 1:47 - and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Bible, Rom 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Yes l believe God's perfect love can only be expressed when there is free choice.
When a man falls in love with a woman, he cannot make her love him , she has to willingly love him back.
This picture of a couple ( man and woman) is a picture of Christ and his bride.
I have a big problem with one of the anti-calvinist beliefs.We get to Heaven and God says: Boy! I'm SOOO glad YOU decided on Me.....if YOU hadn't have stepped in, we wouldn't be talking right now. I'm glad YOU had the final say." It robs the power of "no man cometh to the Father, but by ME."
I am thinking that the verse means we cannot get to heaven any other way than Jesus. (ex: cannot be good enough, work hard enough, pay money for, etc)
Excellent teaching my brother !
Remember, 1 Cor 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ........12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Believe in Jesus, and don't let your ego drag you down. Ego resides in the fallen man flesh, resist the flesh, walk in the Spirit.
Yes, I agree!
This is so well covered and surely gives lots to consider if someone is not sure.
Thank you!
The Calvinism position is often attacked because we want to say WE have a “choice” in choosing Christ. We want to believe WE have “ability”. But do we? Is your conversion to Christ a passive Choice? Did you choose because it was a novel cool idea? Or were you on your knees, broken, in tears realizing the horror of your sin and its coming outcome?
No one chooses Christ from a position of passive understanding. What looks like a choice is more a realization. An awakening.
So what does the Draw in John 6:44 look like?
A-bit like this….
“Gods real? Wait, if he is real…is Jesus his son? If Jesus is real and is the son, that means the cross actually happened. That means my sin has a future consequence. Ive done so many terrible things, am i even worth saving? What have i done? Oh God please save me. PLEASE. “
The draw is without a choice. It leads to an absolute result. No one at this point stops, turns and rejects. They have crossed a line of no return. They are made ALIVE in an instant. God draws and through irresistible grace compels you through a broken and contrite heart to repentance by allowing you to realize the gravity of your sin.
Did you choose? No. You only perceive choice. God did EVERYTHING.
God:
Compelled
Revealed
Impressed
Saved
Your asking to be saved was a result of Gods actions. Not free will from a position of human intellect. We are saved by Gods Grace THROUGH faith. Neither Grace nor Faith came from you. Otherwise YOU could boast of free will.
“I made a decision for…”. NOPE. You did NOTHING. God chose YOU.
Romans 9:15-17 ESV - “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
So then God has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Not just pharaoh.
Perfect example of someone talking about things they don’t understand much about. None of these points are true about Calvinism, clearly pastor hasn’t taken the time to thoroughly study the subject. It takes a gifted teacher to explain it well, and once you understand predestination, it humbles you to the debt of your being, strips you of any pride and security of knowing that God will complete your salvation is the biggest blessing i have as a Christian. I hope you take your time to explore this Biblical truth, it’s throughout the whole Bible, it is the divine blessing
To be honest, I was born grew up and raised in a Calvinist churc actually I have a lot of responses about this and it will be very long, I'm not a pastor I'm not a theologian so when I ask according to what I understand when I hear what pastor Vlad said In fact, not all of Calvin's understandings were conveyed by Pastor Vlad, we said yes because in the development of our churches, we continue to experience revolution, especially with regard to doctrine basically everything must be Biblical and must not conflict with Bible truth and I also don't have a problem with Pastor Vlad's understanding because there is nothing that contradicts with God's word and I can accept it as a lesson for me personally but I have one question out of many questions and responses that I want to give because this is quite confusing for me. One of my questions is as Pastor Vlad explained that Calvinst's teaching is to believe that suffering is God's will and what I want to ask is what is the difference or like what is the suffering because of sin and the suffering as a Christian for following Jesus.
in the teachings that are developing in my church the condition for following Jesus is to carry the cross of Matthew 16 verse 24 The cross in our view so far has been related to various sufferings, be it oppression, persecution, hunger and so on and can also include diseases both physical and psychological. and on this basis why sometimes followers of Calvin also believe that illness or suffering can be part of sin but can also be permission from God as a consequence of following Jesus as an example we see Job in the Bible story Job is a righteous person in God's eyes but why does God allow Satan tempted Job
by bringing sickness and poverty to Job and others the second is the apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 12 verse 7 why did God allow the devil to bring disease into Paul's body even though Paul had been saved from sin. So Pastor Vlad I really hope there is an answer to my question what is the difference between suffering for sin and suffering as a result of following Jesus and is sickness not part of the cross this is very confusing to me and my purpose in asking is not to judge any teaching or doctrine, any pastor but I want to learn about the truth 🙏
A well balanced take sir. Especially the fact that there are difficulties on both sides in some areas. But Calvinism basically seems to have woven into so many believers way of thinking, which seems to result in a kind of fatalism.
Thank you Vlad, you’re what we call in Australia “an Absolute Legend”. I never knew there was a word for this, Arminianism. Calvinism has been frustrating me for years I never accepted, it just sounded so stupid. I only first heard of it from a Baptist church I use to attend occasionally. It’s incredible that I came to the exact same conclusions as Arminianism from just by reading the Word. Thing is it Calvinism was always in stark contrast to God’s character throughout all scripture.
@Reg_The_Gal, I am not a Calvinist but I agree with biblical proof that most of their belief are true.. 1) God indeed predestined some to be saved and some to be burned in fire.
2) Limited atonement is true and biblical
3) There are indeed people who are totally depraved and can never be saved
4) Once saved is always saved...
Proof:
1) Acts 13:48 NLT, "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers."
2) John 10:15, "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep."
Note: Jesus died only for the elect(Sheep)
3) John 8:44( they are the children of the devil) They are what Jesus called the goats
4)John 10:27-28
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Appreciate your effort. These are entry-level arguments. Very easy to answer Biblically.
This gave me a light bulb moment. I’ve been in a terrible spot yak state for five years now, constantly feeling punished by the lord and believing I should be grateful for it. Explains why I’ve always felt God is angry with me. I had it all wrong.
Yes same it wasn't making any sense I felt like I was losing my mind
Can the sinner approach the throne of God without the draw of God?
Is gods ones and God’s will defined the same?
Trying to figure out where I land on this, but this was a very well articulated and respectful video. Great work!
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
it contains many strawmen and misrepresentations... not surprising coming from a free willer who thinks their decision saved them, it all stems from pride
@@tomtemple69this is a very arrogant take.
My thoughts exactly. All your concerns is why I left Calvinism.
One of my favorite quotes from my evangelism professor: preach like an arminian and pray like a calvinist!
Thanks for a video on such a complex topic, Pr. Vlad! I'm always torn as I sympathize with parts of both.
I know two Calvinists well and I care for them deeply. It is interesting speaking to them, because they will tell you that God’s absolute sovereign will, and choice to give them salvation instead of hell, is humbling to them. Yet their whole bearing is arrogant. They love to pick intellectual fights and trap people with semantics, in and out of theological discussions. They actually truly do not see it though. They do not realize they are prideful. In reality, their sense of being chosen, I think, is the opposite of humbling. They love to tell their testimonies. They will tell you what a sinner they are and how God saved them. “Are” is the key word. They do not seem to believe in restoration at all this side of heaven…spiritually, emotionally, or physically. Any talk of any work of the Holy Spirit makes them uncomfortable at best and outright hostile at worst. Their complete doubt of any human ability does not allow them to believe that God would ever work through a human. For example, they will say God heals, but He does not use people to do it. No laying on of hands for sure. Any talk of demons either brings an immediate challenge, or they check out completely. It makes me sad. They refuse wholeness, because they think they already have everything, while others don’t. They take pride in what they have and yet are afraid to ask for more or go deeper. They feel a duty toward God, but I don’t see much evidence of a true love.
These are the main reasons I am not Calvinist. I am intellectual myself. I can see the arguments on both sides. But I hate what it does to people. I think I’d rather be an Arminian and find out someday in heaven I was wrong (because I don’t think it’s salvific!) than live that sad life and find out it was not worth it and in fact I should have helped others toward true full salvation in every area while still on earth.
Great story! But it's you who stands with the one true God, so stand tall with a humbling character that knows Jesus died for every single person on earth, and they will all have the opportunity to choose to follow Jesus and love him and obey him , or at least try, do not prepare yourself to maybe right about the one true God, be thankful you are with the one true God! Calvanist/reformed are of a false God. Maybe they will see the truth before it's to late,
You provided zero scripture to support your rationale. Consequently, you are leaning on your own understanding (Prov 3:5-6)
May I suggest that if you are so strongly convicted of the error of your two Calvinist acquaintances, then why don't you put together a sound doctrinal theology for them and show them scripturally why they are in error?
Thank you for your perspective vlad. I appreciate that you have made a very comprehensive video like this. By the way I am a reformed charismatic theologian. See you in philippines brother!
I was never technically about this subject. I just felt I must follow the Holy Spirit that guides me, but after this post it seems I am arminianism.
Hello Vlad, thank you taking the time to address this often polarizing issue. I've been on both sides (currently on the Reformed side). I do want to address some of the issues you have with Calvinism. I know you mentioned that not all Calvinists adhere to these points but I feel like you misrepresented a majority of Calvinists. My purpose here isn't to argue. The purpose is edification. After all, Calvinism vs Arminianism is a secondary issue. We major on the majors and minor on the minors.
1. You said that God send's people to hell, we did "nothing to deserve that." Truth is we all deserve hell because of our sinful nature (Rom. 3:23). We don't deserve heaven. God being a just God must punish sin and cannot let it go unpunished (hence why Christ is so important). Most Calvinists don't believe that God sends people to hell, rather people choose to go to hell on their own accord. In our fallen human nature, we will choose sin over God every single time. It's not until the Spirit regenerates us that we can choose God over sin. God sending people to hell is called double-predestination, a view not all Calvinists hold.
2. You said Calvinists believe, "God chooses evil to happen for his glory." God is not the author of evil. Scripture is clear on that. God didn't bring evil into the world, we did when Adam and Eve sinned against God. God hates evil. He hates sin. He will always be more glorified by righteous living than sinful living. However, God is able to use sin and evil for his greater purposes (Gen. 50:20). Part of God's sovereignty and omnipotence is that he has the final say over evil. That the evil plans of MAN cannot thwart the good plans of God. He can take a bad situation and work it out for our good and his glory (Rom. 8:28).
3. You said Calvinists don't view Satan as God's enemy. That is not true. Quite frankly, I don't know of any calvinists who'd say otherwise. Satan is God's greatest enemy. But after all, he is still a created being who is subjected to God's will. There is nothing that Satan can do to hinder the plans of God.
4. "Calvinists believe it's a condition not a relationship." It's absolutely a relationship. Now, I will say that because of our sinful nature we are unable to come to God therefore he must initiate the relationship first (1 John 4:19). I do believe in unconditional election. I do believe that God is sovereign over our salvation. But there is a mystery between the sovereignty of God and the free will of man. Somehow both come into play. From our vantage point, it's us coming to God. From the 30,000 foot view, it's God drawing us to himself. On a side note, I disagree with your exegesis on John 3:16 but that's a longer convo for another time :)
Just shedding some light on what most Calvinists believe. Yes, some of us are snarky and arrogant. Yes, some of us are trying to win the debate rather than build unity. But overall, reformed theology is an amazing thing which helped me understand God better. I know it's not true for everyone. At the end of the day, what matters most is having a relationship with Christ. Not arguing how we got there. God bless and continue to bring Him glory!
John 3:16 and Paul's Epistle to the Galatians rebuffs any form of once saved always saved (OSAS) doctrines.
I remember an argument between two believers in my praise and worship service while being deployed to Iraq. The one had a child die in infancy or stillbirth. The other had told the other that if they were destined to go to hell, that's the souls destination.
I remember thinking that's a really obtruse way of looking at the scriptures.
If I'm being honest, Calvinism seems like a doctrine of divisiveness.
We absolutely have the choice to turn our backs on God, if we so choose. God will give you over if you continue to ignore His advice.
Bless you fam 🫀
Hallelujah! Praise God!
Thank you so much for supporting the right doctrine.
God is the One that has known all of His sheep, His people, the individual person who would come to the faith, before the foundations of the world. He knows the end from the beginning, because He decreed it. Thank God man's will does not triumph over God's decreed will. And God's decreed will has not been completely revealed to us, for we don't know what will happen exactly tomorrow. That's for God to know. God has a revealed will and secret will.
I doubt you'll read this but I honor you Vlad for your anointed and fruitful ministry. I agree that many people in the Reformed and Calvinist tribe can be harsh, even self-righteous. Unfortunately, many are also cessationists (though not all, Piper and Grudem are continuationists). But I also know many Calvinists who are the most humble believers and leaders I've ever known and even Spirit-filled. In regards to the main topic, I find your arguments against Calvinism in this video to be a big departure from the main points of the historic Calvinism/Arminian debate. Your summary appears to be more semi-Pelagian than it is Arminian. Also, I found your arguments were based more on your personal biases and philosophy about human freedom/will and a reductionistic theodicy ("how can God choose to send people to hell?") rather than biblical exegesis. I believe the Bible is clear that God predestines people unto salvation because the Fall has left us completely dead in our sins and transgressions. We are saved by grace thru faith, this is a gift so no one can boast. To borrow an image I read in an R.C. Sproul book about our fallen condition, we are not like a crippled person who needs to use our will to open our mouth and receive the medicine of the gospel. We are dead and buried six feet under and Christ calls us by name to come forth, similar to how Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. If Jesus calls a corpse to rise, we rise. It is effectual, not simply enabling.
John Piper has a great summary about the essence of the Calvin/Arminian debate, "According to Arminianism, the very final act that brings me into Christ, that decisive moment in conversion, is one that I perform, not God... Calvinism says that God does more in our conversion; namely, he overcomes all of our resistance and opens the eyes of our hearts to make Christ so real and so beautiful and so compelling that our will gladly embraces Christ as our Savior and Lord and Treasure."
Well. It’s going to sound insane or paradoxical, but I think that both reality exists. Free will and pre determination.
From the present moment exists an infinity of paths we can choose. God knows all of this paths for every individual. We are Schrödinger’s cat.
It’s not really pre determination. God already knows who will obey him or not. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. It’s clear in John 3:16 that whosoever who believes in him.. meaning salvation is for everyone but not everyone accepts Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. That’s why we have to pray for them that God will draw them to Jesus.
I’m a Christian not Calvinist or Arminian now after being said that I believe according the scripture that the doctrines of the grace are all over the Bible. That’s why I think the Calvinist perspective are more clear and more consistent in the Bible but maybe the idea of not being in control our lives as humans it doesn’t sound good for us regardless what I really want as a human God from the beginning is the one who chose his people, He chose Abraham from Uz, chose Noah, chose Lot, chose David, chose the apostles, etc. He is the one who has his plan and he will fulfill it. “Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.”
Psalms 115:3 NIV
If we are truly believers there’s is nothing to worry we are in God’s hands 🙌🏻 we need to remember something “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”
Philippians 1:6
God bless you Pastor and to all of us.
If Calvinism were correct, how could I justly be judged by God if I had no say in the matter?
yeah, kinda removes free will in a way
ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This has nothing to do with your theology and all to do with your Bible. You were born a sinner, and thus God is just in sending you to hell like each and everyone of us. It’s absolutely amazing grace that ANYONE can be saved.
Thank you friend! Great video!
Loved this video!!!!🙌🏻🙌🏻
Holy Spirit give us the strength, guidance, power, unity, and Glory of the Lord of Hosts open their eyes that they may see!!!!!!
❤ *GOD raised up PHAROAH for the very purpose to destroy him. To show HIS power* ❤
God raised up an already sinful, stubborn man to the position of Pharaoh. He did not take a neutral man or a good man and make him bad so he could punish someone.
Very glad to hear that you are not a Calvinist, Vlad! (Wouldn't want the good name of John Calvin besmirched by the likes of you.)
Amen!! Thank God for some Saints spreading the Word and edification! Pentecostal here
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
Once saved always saved is biblical, those who believe in Christ receive the Holy Spirit and can never lose their salvation, the Holy Spirit will never leave once he has entered the believer . That is Gods promise anything else is a perversion of the gospel
Jesus said you didn't choose Me I chose you 😊
This verse comes at the end of the discussion of the vine, its branches and bearing fruit. Context is very important when we read and quote scripture. When read in context with the whole chapter, this is the explanation. God has given free will to mankind to choose whether or not to accept Christ as their Saviour, turn to God, live their lives according to God's Word and share the gospel of salvation with others in the hope that they too will choose God as their Saviour and enter into God's Kingdom. However, if it were not for God's grace and mercy shown to humanity, because of man's sinful nature, we would never be able to enter into the Kingdom of God and come to God apart from his grace of salvation (John 3:3). In short, no individual, because of sin, would be able to enter into the Kingdom of God and thus no individual would have the option of choosing to be with Christ in the Kingdom of God if it were not for the fact that God had chosen to sacrifice His Son on the cross for every man as payment for the sins of man.
Calvinism and cessationism are two separate doctrines though, like me I’m a Calvinist who believes in all of the gifts and the power of the Holy Spirit working today. Anyone else a Calvinist but not a cessationist?
@Gawaniponygirl not me
@Changeur2009 what do you mean?
@Gawaniponygirl I’m a Calvinist and I believe in the supernatural gifts. I go to a Pentecostal church 😂
Pastor I was raised Calvinist but I have experienced Arminianism in my life on earth. Once I received spiritual gifts this debunked Calvinism for me. Most Calvinist’s including my father who is a Pastor are spiritually bound in legalism.
Calvinists are often bound in legalism, just like "Christians" are "Christians" just because they call themselves Christians.
But measuring yourself to God is what matters most. And the most assured thing to a Christian is that Christ will ALWAYS keep me. My relationship with that fact, how I live, will prove fruitfully or fruitlessly.
This is an unfair assessment brother! I know Apostolics (A branch of Pentecostal) that are bound in legalism. I also know some very famous charismatic Calvinist.
@@AustinTuckerPastor My father is a former RCA Pastor and he does not believe in demonization nor does he believe in spiritual gifts after the 1st Century Apostates! The three road blocks to Revival are as follows: Pride, Legalism, Rebellion/Witchcraft. Check out 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Additionally, Calvinists believe in Predestination (Salvation is Predetermined). For God So Loved The World 🌎. He didn’t say only a predetermined elect.
@@AustinTuckerPastor that wasn’t the point of his teaching. He just pointed out Calvinist beliefs and Arminian beliefs and he agrees with the Arminian belief
@@Thomas-x1v5t he doesn’t even properly explain the doctrines of Calvinism. I am thankful for his faithfulness but he should of studied the subject more before he tries to contrast
Thank you so much for this clarification! I was not raised in Church, and am on a mission to continually learn and hopefully have a better more intimate relationship with the Trinity. I was accused of being a Calvinist by my "Pastor" . I didn't even know what that meant 😕. I definitely have more beliefs of what you're calling Arminianism. I had no idea there was such a thing. Thank you. I only want The Truth. ❤✝️🕊❤️🔥