For me, the optimal setup is my 61-key controller on a separate stand, and then a compact 25-key controller on the computer desk next to the computer keyboard. That way I can comfortably audition patches and put in melodies and basslines into the DAW, without looking away from the computer screen, while reaching over to the big keyboard for two-handed chords and improvisations. The 25-key controller doesn't get in the way, and I can easily put it away when I'm not making music, which keeps my computer desk tidy. If I could only have one keyboard, I'd probably go with a 49-key as well. It's the best compromise between size and number of keys, IMO.
Great video and I’m only 5 mins in, like the way you presented this video and gave a shout out to your members and other UA-camrs, you are very genuine 💯👊🏽
I’m using a AKAI Force as a midi controller currently. I do have launchkey 25 sitting next to me in a box right now in fact, mainly because it included addictive keys. I did jam tonight on Yamaha par-sx900 x AKAI force x pioneer djs-1000
I currently use the Arturia Keylab 61 Mk2 and it has worked out for me quite nicely. This was actually upgrade of the Novation Remote61 SL (first generation) that I had for ten years at the time.
I'm enjoying the M-Audio Oxygen 49 MK4 I bought in Dec 2019, particularly since back then I somehow managed to get 30% off the regular retail price, with free shipping - $189 ($AUD) was a good deal. Sometimes the 49 keys feel a bit limited, but I don't really have room for a 61-key controller where it sits anyway so it's a bit academic, and I just put up with it, and do overdubs later. It has a good number of knobs and sliders along the top - just perfect for controlling virtual synths. I made a point of avoiding anything with only a couple of knobs. The keybed is pretty decent, it's simple to use and can be powered over USB. So no complaints really. :)
I agree with you comments about 49 keys. I use Yamaha MX49 as a mobile and computer connected keyboard. I use it with Logic on Mac and various apps on iOS. It is lightweight for travel and it has plenty of own sounds that can be heard using headphones. For piano practice I use Casio PX870 digital piano. MX49 comes with power supply. Unfortunately many modern midi keyboards come without power supply that is OK for a Mac or PC but not enough to bus power from iPhone or iPad. That is exactly as you mentioned in your experiences with those midi keyboards. Even the new m-audio 88 mk3 does not come with power supply.
you had me at 'ON A RAINY SATURDAY AFTERNOON'.....being a pluviophile and music creator, you know who to talk me into your corner....I'm loving my SL 49 MK III...
I have accumulated a range of Midi keyboards over the years, including the very simple M-Audio Keystation 49 which was astonishingly good for the low price back then. Lots of fun to be had with controllers and DAWs. At the end of the day, I am evidently not very creative, and always seem to default back to my trusty Yamaha digital piano which I can just sit down at, open and play away!
Woody, do you feel the Launchkey SL key action here is significantly better than basic mk 3 launchkeys you have reviewed? I don't really need the extra SL features, but want to practice on a solid keybed! Thanks for a great review!
I have a small home studio with several synths. But I do have two controllers; Arturia Keylab 49 that I use with their Analog Lab software. But my main keyboard is my Nectar 88x which is a really nice controller, nice build quality and 88 semi-weighted touch/aftertouch keys. I picked up a brand new one last year for £150. One synth I have a love/hate relationship with is my Roland JD-XA. Very versatile synth, but, my god, for what was a flagship synth from Roland it feels cheap and more so with a really low quality key bed.
Apologies for being late, the interwebz were taken from me! Woo! New Woody vids! My take: I like my 32 minikey M Audio Keystation. It's got mod and pitchbend, but otherwise few bells and whistles and is great for purpose. Just big enough that you can play a bit. Fits in a rucksack.
I own a Roland A49 for a year and thinking of selling it right now. I originally bought it because of its compact size and I needed a keyboard for my office when I'm away from home. 49 keys is a perfect compromise for me between playability and space. I also like that the A49 gets power through USB. It simplifies my setup a lot. However I find the action a bit stiff. And I noticed the keys are smaller than my other keyboards (Yamaha PSR S775 and P125). Also I'm not sure if I got a lemon unit but the velocity accuracy is way off. It tends to play super soft or too loud than I would like. Messing with the velocity curve helped a bit but it is still annoying. Since I'm no longer in the office, I thought of selling it and getting a proper workstation keyboard with larger keys like the Korg Kross.
good plan, but i would say the korg kross has worse keys than the a49, well not better anyway. they are quite springy and stiff on the kross. i do recommend the NI a49, sturdy, great keys and software bundle. oh, the other roland controllers are actually really nice too.
@@WoodyPianoShack ooh is that so? I havent tried an actual Kross 61 key but I assumed it's the same as the Krome and Pa300 which I tried in a store. Anyway I think I'm done with midi controllers for now. I wanted to replace it with one with full sized keys and built in sound. There's nothing better than sitting back, turning on the keyboard and immediately start playing haha.
I aswell Grabbed the SL MK3, I dig the upgrades. Also If one hasnt gotten the ''Package bundle'' with it thats a plus aswell. But polyphonic aftertouch, Sequencing, 8 seperate arpegiators ( that can be set to key, ) Its honestly Nuts the Capabilities that this thing can do I have had mine a Little ovewr a Year, and I got it to be able to run My Outboard Gear without a Pc involved, And oh Does it do that And Much more, I found myself building a modular synthesyzer just for this beautiful Keyboard. I have the 49, which I find a Very comfortable feel. I have been very Impressed. I am Currently running a Tr8 using their Tr8s program, a Minilogue ( for chords), a Behringer Pro one, A Behringer Cat, A Behringer Crave, and A behringer TB303. Kind of disappointed in Behringers CC compatibility is a bit limited but you still have main functions such as Modulation, Pitch Bend. 8 lanes of automation per channel is Very impressive aswell. I have enjoyed just being able to Jam. with my synths. Like with worrying that I am Creating a whole new Prokject or what not. Just kind of simplifies things. I have it running back through a Mackie Profx12V3, which seems to Do very well with this set up.
I love the compact Arturia minilab USB keyboard for taking my laptop and DAW on vacation, but at home I am in love with my Novation 49SL Mk3 to control all of my hardware synths and eurostuff. Templates are good once you understand how to create and save them. I don’t use Ableton but it’s control surface is ok for other DAWs too. I use the arpeg and sequencer, dual MIDI out, and assignables for both retro and modern synth gear. Illuminated piano scales are handy. Took me several UA-cam videos to learn all of its capabilities!
Very interesting. I was wondering if there are any DAW controllers you would suggest for Ableton for example. I did save up for a synthesizer (Fantom),but sadly I can't contol Ableton from that (it only supports DAW control for MainStage and Logic Pro on the Mac) and I'm wondering if there is anything small (no need for piano keys) I could use as a controller for my DAW ?
sp many types of videogame music, old school 80s, use any FM synth or software, DEXED, opsix, for modern videogames, anything goes, maybe a nice workstation like Korg Nautilus or on software side NI Komplete.
The video was truly amazing!! What do you think, should one prefer, Arturia, Novation or NI A49 if keybed feel, workflow is of the utmost priority? The 49 key versions 😅
gotta depend om which daw you use it think, nov best for ableton, NI great if you're into their plugins and komplete kontrol. ni has great feel, haven't really explored the Nov yet, and don't know arturia's stuff.
Hey Woody, thanks, this is really useful! You said you worked with Reason as well, right? What's the best midi controller for that daw in your opinion? I am considering the nektar t or p series which get good reviews. Then novation launchkey and arturia keylab mk2 would be candidates... I'd love to hear your opinion.
hey, funny you ask, just taken up reason again, my NI a49 wasn't immediately recognised, so had to configure as other controller, but all the knobs work., eager to test the bigger launchkey as soon as i get one in. have no comments on the other boards, but I'm sure the supported hardware is listed somewhere.
What I find myself good with about midi controller is at least 49 keys full sized and good midi programmability. I don't need that much bells and whistles on the front panel(if they are there it is only a plus),BUT I look for at least 2 mod controllers on the left side,aftertouch Is also mildly important. That's why my fav right now Is the novation remote sl mk2,as It has all I look for,in fact even more,Is well built and cheap. The mk3 has a more advanced sequencer that I don't Need but loses a row of programmable knobs and the x-y pad which Is also freely programmable. Great video as always!
Hi Woody, out of all the MIDI keyboards you have tested which one is the best in terms of build quality, or is the most playable instrument with the best feeling key bed? And have you tried the Arturia Keylab Mk 2 or AKAI MPK249 keyboard controllers?
@@WoodyPianoShack it is a shame. I have owned the Keylab Essential 61 for two years now and the rotary knobs are worn already. The keybed isn't playable at all for a keys player and feels awful. Plus the velocity drum pads and keys are not responsive like a weighted keyboard. Puts me off getting another Arturia keyboard. Thanks for replying.
I have to say I'm in the process of getting rid of my Novatoin SL61 mk3 and Arturia Keylab Mk2 keybaords and just have a M-Audio Keystation 49 that I can put on my desk or prep on my desk against the wall when I dont need it. As long as I have a mouse, I don't need anythign but transport controls when recording. For automation writing I'm going to get a small unit with potis like a Faderfox EC4 and call it a day. I spent along time on this question but I came to the realization big keyboards with many functions are simply too big for my desk and I do so much sound design when working that it doesn't fit when I have something that makes me turn around. I'll leave big keyboards to the professionals with actual composers desks.
I can’t agree- mini keys are the work of the devil 😏😂I just hate them ( probably because I play so badly my limited brain can’t cope with the change). Love the novation sliii when I tried it it gave me the impression it’s a real rolls Royce, especially the built in sequencer ( maybe demo that in future?).....I like everything about it except one thing: the price☹️unfortunately it just out of my price range. For something with no internal synth engine it does seem pricey- but I guess quality costs! Thanks Woody!
Thanks for the informative video.Do you have any experience with the impulse keyboard vs launchkey? ... its a step down from sl but better keys than launchkey... I am looking at 49key version of either.
I use a Yamaha reface DX, the compact size fits great on desk alongside a computer keyboard. I have the DX raised slightly on a platform and just below the bottom edge of the monitor. It’s a tight squeeze but it all fits.
I need something that will let me split the keyboard. I’m running a triton taktile 49, an oxygen 49, and a keystep 32, at present, but I need something that will handle splits.
@@WoodyPianoShack I have now bought a secondhand code 61, which among other things, such as aftertouch, can have up to 4 user defined split points. And I also purchased a Kenton thru 5 to handle the data output from this, and my Yamaha qx5 sequencer. I decided I have become too reliant on software, and want to get back to a more hardware approach to making music, with my semi modular gear.
Hi Woody, in my search for a 49 or 61 key midi controller, I stumbled upon this video. I'm looking for a midi controller to complement a Yamaha MX88, so not sure whether to go for a 49 or 61 key model. I already have a weighted keyboad for the piano parts, so a 49 key controller should be enough, plus it would take up less space on my desk. However, although I do have the space for a 61 key controller, it would be somewhat awkward but not really a problem ; neeldess to say, so I'm in doubt whether I would regret it not going for the 61 keys, just in case a 49 might not be enough. I know you said that 49 keys is somewhat the sweet spot for you, but still, what would you do in my caes ? Thanks !
@@WoodyPianoShack Yes, I know. I guess I don't really need the full 61 key range since I have an 88 key board as well for piano parts. Will probably take a look at the launchkey MK3 49, apparently it works well with both Mac OS and iOS, which is what I'm looking for, really.... Keep up the good work with the channel !
Woody Piano Shack agreed about the USB. It would be nice if just worked with the one cable. although I don’t make much use of its hardware control, the integration with Ableton is second only to the “push2” If you launch Ableton and then push the “in control” button you will see what I mean. 👍
Please tell where the product is made, in every review. The Novation is made in Chin - even though its a UK headquartered company. This would add value to viewers because, with the exception of Japanese and Nord (Sweden), other manufactuers (like Novation, Kurzweil, Casio) don't make it easy to know where it's made on their websites. I'm still waiting to read, for example, where Kurzweil is manufatured despite their HQ being in the USA.
hi, it's not important to me personally and you're the first person to ever request this information, will try to remember for future reviews. but why does it matter btw?
@@WoodyPianoShack hi woody thanks for your question. It matters to me for personal and economic reasons. For example, personally, I’m looking for a centrepiece and having another item made in China in my house doesn’t meet my aesthetic requirements. My background in economics warrants I morally avoid buying stuff in China. It’s personal. This is not something I impose on others. China copied one of my inventions and so I’ve personal reasons to avoid their stuff. However something that isn’t personal is the fact that China supplies most of the illegal fentanyl to the USA which kills tens of thousands of USA every year. Although I’ve nothing against Chinese people (some of my best friends are Chinese Australian) I would prefer to pick a different manufacturing country for an instrument my hands may spend thousands of hours on.
I have the SL MKIII 61 and think it's amazing. It really is well designed plus Novation is a company supports their products. It cannot be powered by USB.
You have to have a lot of gear to fully utilize a SL mkIII. Way too expensive for my taste. I settled with an earlier device from Novation, being an Impulse 61. It has a really nice keybed! And I am a bit of a Novation fan. :)
imo it's forte is it's one of the best ableton live remote (along with the push) and you can also make custom templates for your VSTs that will allow you to use every pad/button/fader/pots with each corresponding parameter displayed on the screens (directly below for the pots and on the main screen for the rest). Basically you can turn a vst into an actual instrument. that's the killer feature there, there's nothing like it on the market. so it's totally worth it just for software only; and of course it's also great with hardware; but I mean usually on hardware you already have dedicated controls so I don't see the control part as important. Then you get the sequencer (cute; but only 16 steps); the cv outs; and the last firmware gets you one arp per part; which is very interesting for improvisation.
These are some total noob questions..... But this seems like a good place to maybe get some quick input ......So, I haven't had a keyboard of ANY sort for about 20 years now(just acoustic instruments).....I had a fatar 88 weighed key controller & a Korg X5-DR half rack synth unit & I was happy as hell with it at the time & probably still would be.........& I knew the basics of MIDI back then But, I'm sure things have progressed somewhat.......I'm not interested in creating my own sounds with either soft or hardware synths as a few good presets were plenty for me ......... I'm mainly interested in 1) a great piano sound 2) good Rhodes/Whirly sounds & 3) the ability to layer like piano & strings ALL for "real-time" live playing mostly......I'm thinking about getting the SL88 studio & perhaps an old Triton or even just another X5-DR to go with it....... Does that sound stupid ?....... I'd think a modern VST would probably have even better piano samples than an old syth unit......but what I don't know is: What sort of polyphony can I expect thru USB with just a regular laptop or PC especially regarding layered sounds ? ....... Will it perform as good or better then my old get-up ? As I never had any note cutoff or anything ..........Or, would I need a very new/good PC or any other kind special hardware ? .......If so then what exactly off hand ?....... & if VST's VIA USB are as good or better even on a basic PC are there good free or cheap ones ? ...... If so, please recommend some. Anyway, Since hardware rack synths seem to be much less popular is it silly to be worrying about USB bandwidth/lag/latency & /or the power of my PC ? Anyone please. Thanks !
Just can not do mini keys. I have an m Audi oxygen 49 first edition on my computer desk hooked up to my daw, an m audio oxygen 61 first edition hooked up to my Deep Mind 12D, a Roland AX-1 hooked up to my Roland SE-02, an Alesis Vortex Wireless II hooked up to an iPad. I want the Novation SL61 MK3 to replace the two Oxygens and also control my Bodessey, and Behringer SH-1. Oh I want to use it for a song sequencer for my TR-8 drum machine
My dream keyboard controler would be quite simple: 88 keys, light "synth action" keys, polyphonic aftertouch (not channel aftertouch) a bend wheel, a modwheel, 3 faders on the left. And obsiously sturdy enough for pro use, not like a cheap chinese fruit blender. Like you I'm not found of weighted action keys. But "88 keys+light action+ poly-aftertouch" seems impossible.
I decided on the Roland A800 Pro. My criteria were 61 keys, unweighted action, aftertouch, and great velocity response. The overall playing feel is fantastic, but I was disappointed that you have to modify it internally to get usable aftertouch, and the sliders don't transmit any MIDI CC data over USB. The outdated Roland driver is also a headache, software engineers had to modify it themselves to make it work on modern OS architectures.
gosh, i remember the struggles and the hours I lost with the roland driver and configuration, i did get the sliders to work, but it was so complex. great feeling keyboards though, nice quality.
@@chriswalton720 yeah, I own both. The same action is in the Korg M1 etc. A little light, not like an actual organ key, and the AT mechanism does lead to snapping in the now brittle plastics. To be expected really. Korg Prologue is butter smooth, great weight and a solid keystroke.
THE IDEA IS TO HOOK IT UP WITHOUT YOUR PC HOMIE? I mean yeah you want to connect it aswell, but like, it comes alive ( out of the box). You will deffinately not see this as an issue as you discover the glory, Dont forget to do your Update on firmware ( it adds 7 more arpegiators, allows for Midi notes non sequenced, Ratcheting.... Wow I just heard you say you have no outboard gear??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Outside of aftertouch and running ableton like its its Byatch whyd you spend the doe, I mean its pretty but, the WHOLE THING IS TO LIKE CONTROL BOTH THE BOX AND THE ANALOGS///????
Tell Native Instruments a viewer is requesting you have free all access to their libraries to demonstrate what they can do. Tell them a customer who's spend $3K with them wants to see more of them so I know what to buy. If you need an email reference, let me know.
SL Buyers beware... Mine start failing after 3 years of light use, one of the keys got sticky and it'll cost me 200 euro to repair it. No Novation products for me anymore in the future...
For me, the optimal setup is my 61-key controller on a separate stand, and then a compact 25-key controller on the computer desk next to the computer keyboard. That way I can comfortably audition patches and put in melodies and basslines into the DAW, without looking away from the computer screen, while reaching over to the big keyboard for two-handed chords and improvisations. The 25-key controller doesn't get in the way, and I can easily put it away when I'm not making music, which keeps my computer desk tidy.
If I could only have one keyboard, I'd probably go with a 49-key as well. It's the best compromise between size and number of keys, IMO.
Great video and I’m only 5 mins in, like the way you presented this video and gave a shout out to your members and other UA-camrs, you are very genuine 💯👊🏽
glad to hear that, thx!
I’m using a AKAI Force as a midi controller currently. I do have launchkey 25 sitting next to me in a box right now in fact, mainly because it included addictive keys. I did jam tonight on Yamaha par-sx900 x AKAI force x pioneer djs-1000
I think the Arturia Keystep 37 looks interesting too.
yeah, that's the popular model I was referring too, i want one too :)
I also am a 49 key-er, it's perfect for me to feel I have enough to work with. When it comes to more, I really like 73 keys as well.
Thank you, Woody, for making such useful videos like these. I’m thinking about a new keyboard and this is super helpful.
so glad to hear that!
I currently use the Arturia Keylab 61 Mk2 and it has worked out for me quite nicely. This was actually upgrade of the Novation Remote61 SL (first generation) that I had for ten years at the time.
keylabs are pretty nice these days, after some early quality issues, great software too, gotta love analog lab
@@WoodyPianoShack I got it because I already had all the software and thus I should make it official now =]
Woody--thanks for commenting on the Launchpad SL MkIII keybed.
Made my buying decision easier!
I'm enjoying the M-Audio Oxygen 49 MK4 I bought in Dec 2019, particularly since back then I somehow managed to get 30% off the regular retail price, with free shipping - $189 ($AUD) was a good deal.
Sometimes the 49 keys feel a bit limited, but I don't really have room for a 61-key controller where it sits anyway so it's a bit academic, and I just put up with it, and do overdubs later.
It has a good number of knobs and sliders along the top - just perfect for controlling virtual synths. I made a point of avoiding anything with only a couple of knobs.
The keybed is pretty decent, it's simple to use and can be powered over USB. So no complaints really. :)
i've had a few oxygens, they are really nice, simple yet fully featured and incredible value.
I agree with you comments about 49 keys. I use Yamaha MX49 as a mobile and computer connected keyboard. I use it with Logic on Mac and various apps on iOS. It is lightweight for travel and it has plenty of own sounds that can be heard using headphones. For piano practice I use Casio PX870 digital piano. MX49 comes with power supply. Unfortunately many modern midi keyboards come without power supply that is OK for a Mac or PC but not enough to bus power from iPhone or iPad. That is exactly as you mentioned in your experiences with those midi keyboards. Even the new m-audio 88 mk3 does not come with power supply.
you had me at 'ON A RAINY SATURDAY AFTERNOON'.....being a pluviophile and music creator, you know who to talk me into your corner....I'm loving my SL 49 MK III...
I have accumulated a range of Midi keyboards over the years, including the very simple M-Audio Keystation 49 which was astonishingly good for the low price back then. Lots of fun to be had with controllers and DAWs.
At the end of the day, I am evidently not very creative, and always seem to default back to my trusty Yamaha digital piano which I can just sit down at, open and play away!
100% on that, can't beat a DP after all the complexity of software and controllers.
Woody, do you feel the Launchkey SL key action here is significantly better than
basic mk 3 launchkeys you have reviewed? I don't really need the extra SL features,
but want to practice on a solid keybed! Thanks for a great review!
I have a small home studio with several synths. But I do have two controllers; Arturia Keylab 49 that I use with their Analog Lab software. But my main keyboard is my Nectar 88x which is a really nice controller, nice build quality and 88 semi-weighted touch/aftertouch keys. I picked up a brand new one last year for £150. One synth I have a love/hate relationship with is my Roland JD-XA. Very versatile synth, but, my god, for what was a flagship synth from Roland it feels cheap and more so with a really low quality key bed.
Apologies for being late, the interwebz were taken from me! Woo! New Woody vids!
My take: I like my 32 minikey M Audio Keystation. It's got mod and pitchbend, but otherwise few bells and whistles and is great for purpose. Just big enough that you can play a bit. Fits in a rucksack.
Wow so much information in just few minutes this is cool , i like it
I own a Roland A49 for a year and thinking of selling it right now.
I originally bought it because of its compact size and I needed a keyboard for my office when I'm away from home. 49 keys is a perfect compromise for me between playability and space. I also like that the A49 gets power through USB. It simplifies my setup a lot.
However I find the action a bit stiff. And I noticed the keys are smaller than my other keyboards (Yamaha PSR S775 and P125). Also I'm not sure if I got a lemon unit but the velocity accuracy is way off. It tends to play super soft or too loud than I would like. Messing with the velocity curve helped a bit but it is still annoying.
Since I'm no longer in the office, I thought of selling it and getting a proper workstation keyboard with larger keys like the Korg Kross.
good plan, but i would say the korg kross has worse keys than the a49, well not better anyway. they are quite springy and stiff on the kross. i do recommend the NI a49, sturdy, great keys and software bundle. oh, the other roland controllers are actually really nice too.
@@WoodyPianoShack ooh is that so? I havent tried an actual Kross 61 key but I assumed it's the same as the Krome and Pa300 which I tried in a store.
Anyway I think I'm done with midi controllers for now. I wanted to replace it with one with full sized keys and built in sound. There's nothing better than sitting back, turning on the keyboard and immediately start playing haha.
I aswell Grabbed the SL MK3, I dig the upgrades. Also If one hasnt gotten the ''Package bundle'' with it thats a plus aswell. But polyphonic aftertouch, Sequencing, 8 seperate arpegiators ( that can be set to key, ) Its honestly Nuts the Capabilities that this thing can do I have had mine a Little ovewr a Year, and I got it to be able to run My Outboard Gear without a Pc involved, And oh Does it do that And Much more, I found myself building a modular synthesyzer just for this beautiful Keyboard. I have the 49, which I find a Very comfortable feel. I have been very Impressed. I am Currently running a Tr8 using their Tr8s program, a Minilogue ( for chords), a Behringer Pro one, A Behringer Cat, A Behringer Crave, and A behringer TB303. Kind of disappointed in Behringers CC compatibility is a bit limited but you still have main functions such as Modulation, Pitch Bend. 8 lanes of automation per channel is Very impressive aswell. I have enjoyed just being able to Jam. with my synths. Like with worrying that I am Creating a whole new Prokject or what not. Just kind of simplifies things. I have it running back through a Mackie Profx12V3, which seems to Do very well with this set up.
I love the compact Arturia minilab USB keyboard for taking my laptop and DAW on vacation, but at home I am in love with my Novation 49SL Mk3 to control all of my hardware synths and eurostuff. Templates are good once you understand how to create and save them. I don’t use Ableton but it’s control surface is ok for other DAWs too. I use the arpeg and sequencer, dual MIDI out, and assignables for both retro and modern synth gear. Illuminated piano scales are handy. Took me several UA-cam videos to learn all of its capabilities!
Very interesting. I was wondering if there are any DAW controllers you would suggest for Ableton for example. I did save up for a synthesizer (Fantom),but sadly I can't contol Ableton from that (it only supports DAW control for MainStage and Logic Pro on the Mac) and I'm wondering if there is anything small (no need for piano keys) I could use as a controller for my DAW ?
check the novation stuff, top notch for ableton,akai too!
what might you suggest as a music production solution if you were an independant videogame creator ? keyboard and/or otherwise...
sp many types of videogame music, old school 80s, use any FM synth or software, DEXED, opsix, for modern videogames, anything goes, maybe a nice workstation like Korg Nautilus or on software side NI Komplete.
The video was truly amazing!! What do you think, should one prefer, Arturia, Novation or NI A49 if keybed feel, workflow is of the utmost priority? The 49 key versions 😅
gotta depend om which daw you use it think, nov best for ableton, NI great if you're into their plugins and komplete kontrol. ni has great feel, haven't really explored the Nov yet, and don't know arturia's stuff.
@@WoodyPianoShack I use Ableton. Thank you very much. 😁
Good morning! How to return the device to factory settings? We don't have instructions. Thank you in advance.
nothing on the novation support site or in the manual? does a simple controller like this actually have settings?
Another consideration is that drum kit patches usually fill a 61 key range.
true that xp50, and i forgot to mention splits, which you need at least 49 for, preferably 61!
Hey Woody, thanks, this is really useful! You said you worked with Reason as well, right? What's the best midi controller for that daw in your opinion? I am considering the nektar t or p series which get good reviews. Then novation launchkey and arturia keylab mk2 would be candidates... I'd love to hear your opinion.
hey, funny you ask, just taken up reason again, my NI a49 wasn't immediately recognised, so had to configure as other controller, but all the knobs work., eager to test the bigger launchkey as soon as i get one in. have no comments on the other boards, but I'm sure the supported hardware is listed somewhere.
What I find myself good with about midi controller is at least 49 keys full sized and good midi programmability. I don't need that much bells and whistles on the front panel(if they are there it is only a plus),BUT I look for at least 2 mod controllers on the left side,aftertouch Is also mildly important. That's why my fav right now Is the novation remote sl mk2,as It has all I look for,in fact even more,Is well built and cheap. The mk3 has a more advanced sequencer that I don't Need but loses a row of programmable knobs and the x-y pad which Is also freely programmable. Great video as always!
Hi Woody, out of all the MIDI keyboards you have tested which one is the best in terms of build quality, or is the most playable instrument with the best feeling key bed? And have you tried the Arturia Keylab Mk 2 or AKAI MPK249 keyboard controllers?
the NI a49 is very good, but sadly, all midi controllers these days seem to be plastic, nothing I've tried has outstanding build quality.
@@WoodyPianoShack it is a shame. I have owned the Keylab Essential 61 for two years now and the rotary knobs are worn already. The keybed isn't playable at all for a keys player and feels awful. Plus the velocity drum pads and keys are not responsive like a weighted keyboard. Puts me off getting another Arturia keyboard. Thanks for replying.
I have to say I'm in the process of getting rid of my Novatoin SL61 mk3 and Arturia Keylab Mk2 keybaords and just have a M-Audio Keystation 49 that I can put on my desk or prep on my desk against the wall when I dont need it. As long as I have a mouse, I don't need anythign but transport controls when recording. For automation writing I'm going to get a small unit with potis like a Faderfox EC4 and call it a day. I spent along time on this question but I came to the realization big keyboards with many functions are simply too big for my desk and I do so much sound design when working that it doesn't fit when I have something that makes me turn around. I'll leave big keyboards to the professionals with actual composers desks.
What's the name of the 1st song you played on the Roland a500 in strings? Sounded familiar.
i'm guessing it may have been "variations" by ALW.
anything else more recently you like the keys as much or better than the sl49 mk3?
NI has really nice keys on their A-series on a budget, or S-series high end.
I recently sold almost everything except Roland System-1, and I'll probably go for Nektar Impact LX88+ (using Reaper, sometimes Live).
I can’t agree- mini keys are the work of the devil 😏😂I just hate them ( probably because I play so badly my limited brain can’t cope with the change). Love the novation sliii when I tried it it gave me the impression it’s a real rolls Royce, especially the built in sequencer ( maybe demo that in future?).....I like everything about it except one thing: the price☹️unfortunately it just out of my price range. For something with no internal synth engine it does seem pricey- but I guess quality costs! Thanks Woody!
You can still use the CV with a Behringer model d or one of the other desktop synths they make
yeah, was drawing a blank on what stuff has cv, of course modular, analogue synths, old and new!
Thanks for the informative video.Do you have any experience with the impulse keyboard vs launchkey? ... its a step down from sl but better keys than launchkey... I am looking at 49key version of either.
sorry no, i have always had soft spot for launchkey.
I use a Yamaha reface DX, the compact size fits great on desk alongside a computer keyboard. I have the DX raised slightly on a platform and just below the bottom edge of the monitor. It’s a tight squeeze but it all fits.
i heard really good things about the keybeds on the refaces, good choice
I wanted to purchase a midi keyboard and maybe add a push 2 or launch pad, would the launchkey or sl mk3 be better?
those 64 pads on the launchpad pretty hard to beat for more complicated session view projects
Woody, Studiologic has a 73-key controller that’s a nice alternative to 88 keys.
If the power needed is over 5 volts then it’s not going to power via usb, unless you have a myvolts Ripchord that steps up the power from 5 volts.
I need something that will let me split the keyboard. I’m running a triton taktile 49, an oxygen 49, and a keystep 32, at present, but I need something that will handle splits.
yeah, strange that most midi keyboards don't support this basic feature, instead you need to handle that in your DAW or software application.
@@WoodyPianoShack I have now bought a secondhand code 61, which among other things, such as aftertouch, can have up to 4 user defined split points. And I also purchased a Kenton thru 5 to handle the data output from this, and my Yamaha qx5 sequencer. I decided I have become too reliant on software, and want to get back to a more hardware approach to making music, with my semi modular gear.
Hi Woody, in my search for a 49 or 61 key midi controller, I stumbled upon this video. I'm looking for a midi controller to complement a Yamaha MX88, so not sure whether to go for a 49 or 61 key model. I already have a weighted keyboad for the piano parts, so a 49 key controller should be enough, plus it would take up less space on my desk. However, although I do have the space for a 61 key controller, it would be somewhat awkward but not really a problem ; neeldess to say, so I'm in doubt whether I would regret it not going for the 61 keys, just in case a 49 might not be enough. I know you said that 49 keys is somewhat the sweet spot for you, but still, what would you do in my caes ? Thanks !
i really don't know, so many personal choices!
@@WoodyPianoShack Yes, I know. I guess I don't really need the full 61 key range since I have an 88 key board as well for piano parts. Will probably take a look at the launchkey MK3 49, apparently it works well with both Mac OS and iOS, which is what I'm looking for, really.... Keep up the good work with the channel !
I have been using the 49 SL MkIII for about 6 months now. Its fabulous. You do have to use the power adapter. It draws too much juice for USB only.
thx for clarifying, that's a shame, since my needs are simple, maybe not the ideal board for my applications :D
Woody Piano Shack
agreed about the USB. It would be nice if just worked with the one cable. although I don’t make much use of its hardware control, the integration with Ableton is second only to the “push2”
If you launch Ableton and then push the “in control” button you will see what I mean. 👍
Please tell where the product is made, in every review. The Novation is made in Chin - even though its a UK headquartered company. This would add value to viewers because, with the exception of Japanese and Nord (Sweden), other manufactuers (like Novation, Kurzweil, Casio) don't make it easy to know where it's made on their websites. I'm still waiting to read, for example, where Kurzweil is manufatured despite their HQ being in the USA.
hi, it's not important to me personally and you're the first person to ever request this information, will try to remember for future reviews. but why does it matter btw?
@@WoodyPianoShack hi woody thanks for your question. It matters to me for personal and economic reasons.
For example, personally, I’m looking for a centrepiece and having another item made in China in my house doesn’t meet my aesthetic requirements.
My background in economics warrants I morally avoid buying stuff in China. It’s personal. This is not something I impose on others. China copied one of my inventions and so I’ve personal reasons to avoid their stuff.
However something that isn’t personal is the fact that China supplies most of the illegal fentanyl to the USA which kills tens of thousands of USA every year. Although I’ve nothing against Chinese people (some of my best friends are Chinese Australian) I would prefer to pick a different manufacturing country for an instrument my hands may spend thousands of hours on.
I have the SL MKIII 61 and think it's amazing. It really is well designed plus Novation is a company supports their products.
It cannot be powered by USB.
Could you tell me more about what it can do that the launchkey can’t
You have to have a lot of gear to fully utilize a SL mkIII. Way too expensive for my taste. I settled with an earlier device from Novation, being an Impulse 61. It has a really nice keybed! And I am a bit of a Novation fan. :)
yep, the sl wasted on me, will probably try to trade for something simpler,
imo it's forte is it's one of the best ableton live remote (along with the push) and you can also make custom templates for your VSTs that will allow you to use every pad/button/fader/pots with each corresponding parameter displayed on the screens (directly below for the pots and on the main screen for the rest). Basically you can turn a vst into an actual instrument. that's the killer feature there, there's nothing like it on the market. so it's totally worth it just for software only; and of course it's also great with hardware; but I mean usually on hardware you already have dedicated controls so I don't see the control part as important. Then you get the sequencer (cute; but only 16 steps); the cv outs; and the last firmware gets you one arp per part; which is very interesting for improvisation.
These are some total noob questions..... But this seems like a good place to maybe get some quick input ......So, I haven't had a keyboard of ANY sort for about 20 years now(just acoustic instruments).....I had a fatar 88 weighed key controller & a Korg X5-DR half rack synth unit & I was happy as hell with it at the time & probably still would be.........& I knew the basics of MIDI back then But, I'm sure things have progressed somewhat.......I'm not interested in creating my own sounds with either soft or hardware synths as a few good presets were plenty for me ......... I'm mainly interested in 1) a great piano sound 2) good Rhodes/Whirly sounds & 3) the ability to layer like piano & strings ALL for "real-time" live playing mostly......I'm thinking about getting the SL88 studio & perhaps an old Triton or even just another X5-DR to go with it....... Does that sound stupid ?....... I'd think a modern VST would probably have even better piano samples than an old syth unit......but what I don't know is: What sort of polyphony can I expect thru USB with just a regular laptop or PC especially regarding layered sounds ? ....... Will it perform as good or better then my old get-up ? As I never had any note cutoff or anything ..........Or, would I need a very new/good PC or any other kind special hardware ? .......If so then what exactly off hand ?....... & if VST's VIA USB are as good or better even on a basic PC are there good free or cheap ones ? ...... If so, please recommend some. Anyway, Since hardware rack synths seem to be much less popular is it silly to be worrying about USB bandwidth/lag/latency & /or the power of my PC ? Anyone please. Thanks !
Just can not do mini keys. I have an m Audi oxygen 49 first edition on my computer desk hooked up to my daw, an m audio oxygen 61 first edition hooked up to my Deep Mind 12D, a Roland AX-1 hooked up to my Roland SE-02, an Alesis Vortex Wireless II hooked up to an iPad. I want the Novation SL61 MK3 to replace the two Oxygens and also control my Bodessey, and Behringer SH-1. Oh I want to use it for a song sequencer for my TR-8 drum machine
Also, nice tin under the monitor!
Studiologic SL73, a good example of a 73 key midikeyboard.
Whys his video quality match Mr Rogers neighborhood?
Cuz it’s a beautiful day. 😁
You still need one more, a Kawai VPC1 :-)
i do, or perhaps one of their pianos with that action...
My dream keyboard controler would be quite simple: 88 keys, light "synth action" keys, polyphonic aftertouch (not channel aftertouch) a bend wheel, a modwheel, 3 faders on the left.
And obsiously sturdy enough for pro use, not like a cheap chinese fruit blender.
Like you I'm not found of weighted action keys.
But "88 keys+light action+ poly-aftertouch" seems impossible.
Studiologic SL73 Studio is 73 note midi controller
The SLMK2 is still the Winner in 2020 👊👊👊
Nothing that have less than 64 notes and aftertouch. Knobs and faders... And that is also a synth...une pierre deux coups ! Hey what about a montage ?
best midi controller ever! no usb power tho :)
I decided on the Roland A800 Pro. My criteria were 61 keys, unweighted action, aftertouch, and great velocity response. The overall playing feel is fantastic, but I was disappointed that you have to modify it internally to get usable aftertouch, and the sliders don't transmit any MIDI CC data over USB. The outdated Roland driver is also a headache, software engineers had to modify it themselves to make it work on modern OS architectures.
gosh, i remember the struggles and the hours I lost with the roland driver and configuration, i did get the sliders to work, but it was so complex. great feeling keyboards though, nice quality.
No comments/questions about midi delay. Does it mean it's not something to worry about these day anymore?
buy from a reputable manufacturer with good drivers, not a problem.
After touch usually means the feel of the key drop is compromised and stresses the key mechanism. I’d rather not have it.
yeah, i'm not too keen on the feel either, it has to be done right, and keybed cased in a solid metal chassis, otherwise the whole keyboard flexes.
@@WoodyPianoShack the best synth action I’ve ever found is the Korg Prologue 16. No after touch.
Dara M have you played a Yamaha DX7 or DX7II? To me, these are still the standard by which aftertouch synth action keybeds are judged.
@@chriswalton720 yeah, I own both. The same action is in the Korg M1 etc. A little light, not like an actual organ key, and the AT mechanism does lead to snapping in the now brittle plastics. To be expected really. Korg Prologue is butter smooth, great weight and a solid keystroke.
SL61 draws too much current for classic usb power. All those LEDs take power to light! USB C can deliver it though
come to think of it, it's probably the cv out which is like 5v i guess, the PSU is rated at 12V!
I found mine for free in a dumpster.
someone's had too much coffee..
If a Midi Controller has less than 49 keys, it's a toy.
Legal seus vídeos, gostei muito.
THE IDEA IS TO HOOK IT UP WITHOUT YOUR PC HOMIE? I mean yeah you want to connect it aswell, but like, it comes alive ( out of the box). You will deffinately not see this as an issue as you discover the glory, Dont forget to do your Update on firmware ( it adds 7 more arpegiators, allows for Midi notes non sequenced, Ratcheting....
Wow I just heard you say you have no outboard gear???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Outside of aftertouch and running ableton like its its Byatch whyd you spend the doe, I mean its pretty but, the WHOLE THING IS TO LIKE CONTROL BOTH THE BOX AND THE ANALOGS///????
now he knows they would not make a mistake and send him that he ordered that lol let me make a mistake like that yeah ok lol
1000 subs to 50 000
hello! it's been quite a ride, we all start at zero subs :)
Tell Native Instruments a viewer is requesting you have free all access to their libraries to demonstrate what they can do. Tell them a customer who's spend $3K with them wants to see more of them so I know what to buy. If you need an email reference, let me know.
native instruments are very supportive of my channel, they would probably hook me up with a demo license.
@@WoodyPianoShack I'd love to see you have full access to all the libraries. Ask them if there's a problem let me know.
SL Buyers beware... Mine start failing after 3 years of light use, one of the keys got sticky and it'll cost me 200 euro to repair it. No Novation products for me anymore in the future...