I ended up getting the GC Plug n Play 3.0. The 3d printed plug is definitely a HUGE upgrade, and doesn't have any issues the 2.0 did with shorting consoles. I've been playing 8+ hrs for days and its been flawless. And it's way cheaper than $300, that is outrageous.
Thanks for fixing the mic! I really love your channel and content! and i love that you're thorough about just about anything. one stop place for all the information.
I'm so happy that these guys are located in Toronto! I typically have to look in the USA for mods of this nature. Now I get to spend my CAD's and get my money's worth :) Thanks for sharing this Adam!
If you don't like the resolution pop-up in the top right corner, simply turn it off via OSD-Settings -> Mode popup "no" and hit Store settings in the main menu once to make it permanent.
That issue with the PAL game looking weird throught the HDMI but fine with the component cable has to do with the way that the HDMI mod deinterlaces the game (576i to 576p) using linedoubling (wich just switch the interlaced fields rapidly, creating that weird flicker effect) if you turn that off on the menu of the mod, the PAL game will look the same since the framemeister will properly deinterlace the image and not linedouble it like the HDMI mod does.
Dear Adam, as a European and a GameCube fan, I really have to thank you for this video! It has been channels like yours (and MLIG) that made me interested in getting the best possible video quality/output for retro consoles - especially for the GC. Because of you, I bought myself a Framemeister with a D-Terminal and EUR Scart Adapter.
I play my GB, GBC and GBA game on the Game Boy Player (European GC connected via 'retrogamingcables.co.uk' EUR Scart to the Framemeister) in 240p -> 1080p with the Game Boy Interface (homebrew software) and Firebrandx's Framemeister profiles. For GC games, I use a backwards compatible Black Wii (European Sports Resort Edition -> the very last Wii model with GC controller ports and the RVL-CPU-60) connected via component cables to the Framemeister (480i -> deinterlaced and upscaled to 1080p). For my European games (480i sources) I have to use the Framemeister's IMAGE_MODE = NATURAL.
05:04 Have you seen this?: retrorgb.com/gamecubevswii.html and shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51789&start=30 According to RetroRGBs Wii page and the shmups forum, there are some newer Wiis (e.g. the Black Sports Resort Edition and the Red Mario Edition with the RVL-CPU-60), that output a much higher quality video signal than the originals. Can you confirm this or cover this issue on your channel?
I would like to play NTFC GC game (480p -> 1080p / component cables to the Framemeister) on my homebrewed Wii instead of the European versions (480i). It would be really nice, if my RVL-CPU-60 outputs a video signal that rivals the video signal of the GC with HDMI or at least component cables.
Furthermore, I would like you to talk more about Zeldaxpro GC Plug n Play adapter (compared to the internal mod) and Marseille HDMI mCables (that claim to improve image quality).
Adam, I just want to say thank you. I very much enjoy your videos. I saw all the deals you tend to get on systems and games that one day I decided to look for some myself I bought a box full of stuff from a guy off Craigslist for 40 bucks systems were untested. Brought them home bought power cables and they all worked the systems were 2 1st gen ds, dreamcast, atari2600, gamecube, og xbox, genesis, and a couple of random controllers and wires. You inspired me to start my own collection thank you
There is a new HDMI mod that also allows the GameCube to output RGB as well, called the GC Dual and maybe worth checking out. This isn't such a big deal on a PAL GC, but can be useful on an NTSC GC for any 240p games or the GB Player when using the homebrew Gameboy Interface software. It's great that the GC is getting a lot of love from the modding community and more people of discovering what a great system it is :)
I just went with a Wii and got an enKo RGB to HDMI converter/upscaler for $40. Haven't seen a side by side but I bet it's pretty close to modded version.
It is pretty close, these sort of mods don't magically change the resolution of the games or anything like that. The Gamecube HDMI mods are for those who want the absolute best possible image from the console on a modern TV, even if the differences are marginal.
As far as I know, switching between Japanese & American BIOS is a nice-to-have feature because not only games, but Gamecube memory card formats are region-locked to one or the other. Learned that one the hard way :(
Thanks for the detailed infos about PAL releases, it gets really confusing sometimes so it's nice to have a definitive "guide" on how to get 480p for gamecube games here
+Adam Koralik Games are software. A PC is just a better Gamecube for the purpose of playing Gamecube games. Better resolution, anisotropic filtering, AA and no slow downs, save anywhere you want. Every Gamecube disc is a copy, no matter how legitimate you feel it may be; it's a plastic coaster with some picture reproduced on one side an a string of bits imprinted in the bumps of a metal foil. The value is not in the hardware or paraphernalia. The value is in the immaterial property of the code and game assets; infinitely reproducible at zero cost. Before long, more people will have played gamecube on something that isn't a gamecube than have even touched an original gamecube. Hardware is for weirdo collectors types and nostalgics. The same sort of people who'd pay $1000 for a stamp that was printed incorrectly because it is rare. Software means no weird region locks, no massive bookshelf full of decaying hardware and plastic coasters, no censorship (e.g. see the grotesque PS2 Twisted metal Black PAL version), fan translations of japanese games that you'd never be able to play otherwise, fixed translations in games that were broken (e.g. Castlevania 2 - Simon's quest), you can play the best version of any game, it means modding (see for instance 60 FPS hacks, widescreen hacks, Dolphin VR), it means the preservation of these games for future generations which will never have access to the Gamecube for reasons of cost or effort. Even Nintendo has been caught using roms they downloaded from the internet to offer emulated versions of their past games on their e-shop.
don't get ZeldaxPro's plug, shit is WELL known in the community to ruin GCs. If you're really worried about getting the clearest image of your GC games without shelling out that much just look into My Life in Gaming's video on it
Correction, Component cables were released in Australia through Nintendo Australia. It involved calling them and ordering. Even the Australian PAL Gamecube box advertises this option. I still have my set I ordered in Australia.
Some European game cube PAL games have the code in them to display 480p progressive scan. The 480p signal has to be activated via a mod chip or boot disc. An example of a PAL game that supports this is buffey the vampire slayer.
I wonder if/when a PS2 variant of this is/would be available... Completely modified insides with a HDMI port sporting native 1080p upscaling! That would be heavenly... The PS2 looks muddy on a modern TV; looks great on CRTs though.
Be honest guys, PS2 image quality never looks good. Not with RGB and not with component. It will always be dissapointing compared to Xbox/Gamecube results.
Way awesome Adam, congrats dude!!! The GameCube is such an amazing little* console!!! * "little" its actually larger than the Switch, plus docking port..;)
According to RetroRGBs Wii page and the shmups forum, there are some newer Wiis (e.g. the Black Sports Resort Edition and the Red Mario Edition with the RVL-CPU-60), that output a much higher quality video signal than the originals. Can you confirm this or cover this issue on your channel?
I bought my component cables from Nintendo Australia a couple of days after I bought the system. While they never got a general release in stores, to say that the component cables weren't available at all in Australia is not true.
It's no longer necessary to mod them. There are third party HDMI adapters that fit in the digital port (DOL-001 only). They're custom made so can be a bit pricey (I paid $100 for mine), but it works just as well as HDMI mods. PAL games do work with HDMI in 480i (my adapter does line doubling so I can play 480i games just fine). Some later PAL games did start adding progressive scan support though. I think my adapter is a newer revision of the one you showed. It's MUCH MUCH smaller and uses mini-HDMI on the adapter itself. The connector has also been completely replaced and there is no possibility of shorting anymore.
Check if the system works with the mega man x collection. I hv the Nintendo GameCube component cables and that game doesn’t work with those cables. Fun fact about the GameCube component cables; they were never released at the stores, back in the day I did see that some games had the component option and in one of those games manual it said to call Nintendo to order them, so I called and paid about $79.99(USD) plus $14.99 for shipping and that’s how I got mine.
Great video, thanks for sharing , very informative. I have mainly PAL games and use a PAL Cube but will try the Plug N Play 3.0 first and see how that goes.
Adam little idea video in the future if ever you look in to it. when ever you decide to softmod the WII U you should do another comparison/recommend best video quality options for the gamecube. it would be interesting to see the WII U softmodded and gamecube modded side by side. aside from that damn what a night and day difference component and HDMI video quality for the the gamecube. it certainly makes you not want to go back lol.
You can force 480p on PAL gamecube games on the Wii, many backuploaders support that option. Also, RGB Scart doesn't support 480p, only up to 480i/576i. So giving that the component cables weren't released at all in europe, it "kinda"makes sence they cut out 480p support on PAL games.
Ha! I just set my launch day PAL Cube up yesterday to play Rogue Squadron for the first time on an HD tv and it looked terrible at first and I was looking to improve the AV cable. Now my eyes have adjusted after a few hours it doesn't look too bad
What are those vertical lines all over the screen? 27:32 I have a official Nintendo Component cable and notice them all the time in my games even at 480p it annoys me a lot.
This still isn't what people really want, what people like me want is a non modded plug and play way to play this stuff... it just sucks no one will mass produce the one that guy made a few months ago
Delta ZX I ended up getting the GC Plug n Play 3.0. The 3d printed plug is definitely a HUGE upgrade, and doesn't have any issues the 2.0 did with shorting consoles. I've been playing 8+ hrs for days and its been flawless. And it's way cheaper than $300, that is outrageous.
Great low down. I personally use a custom hdmi adapter. Happy with this. Regarding the comment about leaving the digital out alone and adding a hdmi - ensuring original functionally exists. Clearly only for purists being no adaptor I know of using this port? Could be wrong but reason the big N took it out themselves was lack of use.
I was talking to Lucas Dietz about making one for Wii. I bought the Xbox HDMI cable from him. Works great. Hopefully, we'll get other cables for future TVs.
Point is that native digital HDMI output for older consoles is something that a lot of people would be interested in, so it would show up in a Google search, be it via a forum, reddit or whatever. I did find some Brazilian mods which involved hacking up a Wii2HDMI and converting it for use with the Xbox, which is of no more use than a cheap RGB to HDMI adapter and is only worth doing in Brazil because neither RGB SCART or component were popular video outputs over there. As far as I know, only the Gamecube could have a proper HDMI cable made for it because it's the only older console that outputs a native digital signal via the AV ports. The only way a true digital HDMI output would be possible on the original Xbox is through an internal modification with an HDMI jack added to the rear of the console.
Jared Bowhay-Pringle The only disagreement I have with your statement is that it is pointless. Although there are no difference in video quality between the component cable and HDMI adapter, the newer TVs are moving away from component inputs, so for that reason I bought one from Lukas Dietz. I sent Adam a pic if it. It's nice with blue LEDs. I might can put it on photobucket to show.
Good thing that some of the heavy hitters on the GameCube like Zelda, Resident Evil and Pikmin have received shinier remasters on newer consoles. Shame they can't do that with F-Zero and Rogue Squadron. I have a soft modded Xbox for the 3rd party stuff of that period and there's no problem there using PAL games with a 720p dashboard
I did this mod about a year ago. It was a pain in the ass, but I eventually got it to work. My *only* complaint with the finished product is that an automatic HDMI switcher doesn't 't detect it :/
We're pretty lucky here in the UK. Our HDTVs now support both PAL and NTSC video standards. This means we can plug in any console from any country and it will work. I wonder if the trade-off of using 576i (with the higher resolution) over 480p (lower res but progressive scan) has any advantages? The PAL Gamecube actually outputs at a standard 576i at 50Hz with the option on some games to output 480i at 60Hz. This makes me wonder if a PAL Gamecube with this mod could run USA games at 576p at 60Hz? This would give both progressive scan and the higher resolution video. The best of both worlds!
Awesome video 👍. Going through each console, one at a time and working to get the best possible video quality. Finally ordered my Akura (!!!) Gamecube and N64 are next and this looks plausible as an option... although I still may just spring for the component cables cause I have a friend who has a pair and I am just trying to work out a deal for them. N64 seems like a more complicated beast :/.
Hi. Metal Jesus tried hdmi cable adaptador in his gamecube console, then his gamecube broke. Watch here: ua-cam.com/video/wvd-73clV6E/v-deo.html A greeting from Madrid Keep on gamming
I've had the hdmi adapter for a month now. Easily the best route. It costs $100 and, obviously you can use it on another GameCube. Which is nice in case your GameCube breaks.
During the Rogue Squadron Hoth comparison at the end, there's some kind of banding visible in the sky in the HDMI clips; is that part of the game itself, or is it coming from the capture equipment?
I feel that the original Xbox needs an HDMI adapter or a mod of some kind for the same reason as you mentioned with the GameCube. Component Video is being phased out on alot of TVs and would expand the life of the console. Also the PS2 could use a good quality HDMI adapter as well. Its good to see Nice Pristine quality out of the GameCube.
Adam, to boot up PAL games in an a mode that NTSC consoles will recognize you have to force the game to boot up in NTSC mode. To do that hold either x or y when the GameCube is booting up. I had this problem initially when i installed my xenogc chip.
Erik Heijden in the case of the original Xbox, at least the settings are in the system rather than the games (AND component cables are much easier to get for it). Once you've softmodded a PAL console it's good to go.
Ya, any mod or special cable seems to be too much to be worth whatever improvement in picture quality there is. I use s-video on a good quality CRT, more than enough for me. In my experience though, most people I know who retro game just use composite and don't really seem to care about better picture quality.
albino_gringo the amount of people who are going to notice the difference between Wii and GC component or hdmi mod and be bothered by it is pretty minimal. I get it for hard core's, but most gamers just want to play and don't want to pay for cable connections.
Did you get the HDMI 480p and Composite footage mixed up? I only say this because I see bars and the footage looks horrid in the HDMI 480p and the composite looks cleaner. Has the YT compression caused issues?
I just don't understand why certain region's games/consoles would have certain features vs other regions. Wtf is the point of purposely taking that PSM off of PALS games?
Adam, how do you know so much about resolutions and how all this stuff works? Where did you learn it? I would like to learn about all of this in depth if I can but I don't know where to look.
I Would just like to point out that the BIOS switch is probably there because in some japanese games the text is garbled when using an American GCN because of missing fonts on the BIOS or something like that, so the japanese BIOS overcomes this issue. I Don't know if this was mentioned before here in the comments
Great, the fight against the component issue goes on. This could be great for me, but it isnt worth the hassle for me. Im using my Cube with RGB on my 29'' Trinitron and its fine. The Sony is build '89 and is on its best way to get 30 years old :)
I hate PAL games with no 60hz and progressive scan support. 99% of PAL PS1 games ruined the game experience for me with the odd slowdown and small screen bs. This is why I prefer NTSC games over PAL games.
17:34 - Yeah, my HDTV does this with a lot of the PS2 and Gamecube stuff. It's annoying but I've learned to grin and bear it. If anyone knows how to disable this, I'm all ears.
I believe the Wii U actually does have some GameCube internals, since it has an entire Wii inside it, so while it can't play the discs, it can use some of that instead of being straight up emulation. That being said, GameCube is the worst console (in my opinion, at least) to want to emulate. I love the Game Boy Player and having the GBA connectivity for things like Chao in Sonic Adventure and transferring Pokemon. You can't emulate that kind of stuff, and it takes away from those experiences
Unpopular opinion, but when I saw the footage I noticed that the HDMI footage looked considerably worse than the others, at least If you're a UK guy like me. As great as It is to get the 'purest' signal possible out of older gaming systems, I feel It defeats the intentions of the original developers. Regardless, When you showed an example of 480i PAL content via Component @ 21:12, the black levels looked substantially better compared to the very same output via HDMI which looked very washed out. However, whilst I did notice that HDMI had the edge over the other modes under NTSC standards It was ruined by the faint lines across the screen but that may be caused by the frame-meister OR the internal HDMI chip. I'm personally perfectly fine with using a Wii with Component to play GameCube games because I know the original hardware can only go so far and If I wanted It in Full HD I could just use a GameCube emulator on PC.
why can't Smash Melee embrace HDMI and LCD screen? I know that LCD screen is still has some slight lag when comparing to CRT but some LCD monitors like BenQ has very small lag if not noticable at all
Would have liked to see what F-Zero looked like but Rogue S2 works too, man what a massive difference, it's like an early 360 game. How much does this cost? I'll have to consider doing this, GC's my favorite console.
Seems really cool, but still not as pragmatic as running Dolphin on a decent desktop. Still, great video, I like hearing about all of the technical stuff with this sort of thing.
How does the input lag compare? I know composite on flat screens has noticeable lag with any system, does the component cable or the HDMI modification make that any better?
My kingdom for a functioning, high quality clone of the GC component cable. HDMI is great for people who want to hook it up to their HDTV / monitor, but it's not great for Smash which is still primarily played on CRTs.
Adam, do you know how deinterlacing works? I ask this because I have PAL consoles, and from my understanding if you deinterlace it halfs the frame rate, in this case 60 to 30fps. Is this correct or can you actually get 60fps from interlaced footage.
Isn't the image is looking a bit softer than usual ? Anyway, I freaking love the GameCube. I'm a young one here and that was my first game console that was MINE!
This is pretty awesome but I took a glance at the pricing and holy balls is that expensive. Over $330 USD for a console modded to the same specs as that. I get why it costs that much though considering it is done by hand and ships from Canada.
liquidfabi Yeah I agree 100%. Hopefully a cheaper option becomes more widely available though like that HDMI adapter thing he mentioned. If a company was able to produce those on a larger scale that may be the best option.
How tied to a particular system is the mod? I'd go with the cables incase of a system hardware failure. Much easier to buy a new base GC than figure out how to fix a broken modded one or transfer a mod I'd imagine. I'm sure it's worth it for some, I'd personally probably just play in lesser resolution and buy Cubivore (but then if you can afford the mod, you can prob afford both).
I ended up getting the GC Plug n Play 3.0. The 3d printed plug is definitely a HUGE upgrade, and doesn't have any issues the 2.0 did with shorting consoles. I've been playing 8+ hrs for days and its been flawless. And it's way cheaper than $300, that is outrageous.
I agree that's what I'm trying to get a hold of but the guy who makes them Hasn't replied to my email :/
I don't want to be a creep but I want a house tour from Adam.
He probably has dreamcasts stacked up in his toilet
LOL
So do I
He had a video of his computers and you got to see other rooms..
Call it toilet dreamcast instead of sega dreamcast lol🤣
You're always so thorough. That's why I always like your videos.
Thanks!
Good old fashioned Adam koralik videos... Missed these, I do all of these mods, and many others. but I always enjoy hearing you talk about em
Thanks!
Thanks for fixing the mic! I really love your channel and content! and i love that you're thorough about just about anything. one stop place for all the information.
Thanks!
Really happy that you upgraded the audio quality in these videos. Dope!!
I'm so happy that these guys are located in Toronto! I typically have to look in the USA for mods of this nature. Now I get to spend my CAD's and get my money's worth :) Thanks for sharing this Adam!
No problem!
Future proof!? Hardly! You need at least a laser-7 output if you want to hook it up to a float screen.
Someone watched South Park. XD
Wtf is a float screen
it's from south park dude, get schwifty with it.
Okama Gamesphere! :)
If you don't like the resolution pop-up in the top right corner, simply turn it off via OSD-Settings -> Mode popup "no" and hit Store settings in the main menu once to make it permanent.
That issue with the PAL game looking weird throught the HDMI but fine with the component cable has to do with the way that the HDMI mod deinterlaces the game (576i to 576p) using linedoubling (wich just switch the interlaced fields rapidly, creating that weird flicker effect) if you turn that off on the menu of the mod, the PAL game will look the same since the framemeister will properly deinterlace the image and not linedouble it like the HDMI mod does.
Dear Adam,
as a European and a GameCube fan, I really have to thank you for this video! It has been channels like yours (and MLIG) that made me interested in getting the best possible video quality/output for retro consoles - especially for the GC. Because of you, I bought myself a Framemeister with a D-Terminal and EUR Scart Adapter.
I play my GB, GBC and GBA game on the Game Boy Player (European GC connected via 'retrogamingcables.co.uk' EUR Scart to the Framemeister) in 240p -> 1080p with the Game Boy Interface (homebrew software) and Firebrandx's Framemeister profiles.
For GC games, I use a backwards compatible Black Wii (European Sports Resort Edition -> the very last Wii model with GC controller ports and the RVL-CPU-60) connected via component cables to the Framemeister (480i -> deinterlaced and upscaled to 1080p). For my European games (480i sources) I have to use the Framemeister's IMAGE_MODE = NATURAL.
05:04 Have you seen this?: retrorgb.com/gamecubevswii.html and shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51789&start=30
According to RetroRGBs Wii page and the shmups forum, there are some newer Wiis (e.g. the Black Sports Resort Edition and the Red Mario Edition with the RVL-CPU-60), that output a much higher quality video signal than the originals. Can you confirm this or cover this issue on your channel?
I would like to play NTFC GC game (480p -> 1080p / component cables to the Framemeister) on my homebrewed Wii instead of the European versions (480i). It would be really nice, if my RVL-CPU-60 outputs a video signal that rivals the video signal of the GC with HDMI or at least component cables.
Furthermore, I would like you to talk more about Zeldaxpro GC Plug n Play adapter (compared to the internal mod) and Marseille HDMI mCables (that claim to improve image quality).
THANKS and KEEP ON DREAMING!
- Lars
So glad you posted this review. I’ve been waiting for some better options w my GC. Great video
Thanks for watching!
Adam, I just want to say thank you. I very much enjoy your videos. I saw all the deals you tend to get on systems and games that one day I decided to look for some myself I bought a box full of stuff from a guy off Craigslist for 40 bucks systems were untested. Brought them home bought power cables and they all worked the systems were 2 1st gen ds, dreamcast, atari2600, gamecube, og xbox, genesis, and a couple of random controllers and wires. You inspired me to start my own collection thank you
Awesome, happy gaming!
3:01 "This Is Compatibility Machine. Let's Play Game. Everybody gets fun!" i spit my drink out when i read that
There is a new HDMI mod that also allows the GameCube to output RGB as well, called the GC Dual and maybe worth checking out. This isn't such a big deal on a PAL GC, but can be useful on an NTSC GC for any 240p games or the GB Player when using the homebrew Gameboy Interface software. It's great that the GC is getting a lot of love from the modding community and more people of discovering what a great system it is :)
I just went with a Wii and got an enKo RGB to HDMI converter/upscaler for $40. Haven't seen a side by side but I bet it's pretty close to modded version.
It is pretty close, these sort of mods don't magically change the resolution of the games or anything like that. The Gamecube HDMI mods are for those who want the absolute best possible image from the console on a modern TV, even if the differences are marginal.
As far as I know, switching between Japanese & American BIOS is a nice-to-have feature because not only games, but Gamecube memory card formats are region-locked to one or the other. Learned that one the hard way :(
Thanks for the detailed infos about PAL releases, it gets really confusing sometimes so it's nice to have a definitive "guide" on how to get 480p for gamecube games here
Happy to help!
One of my favorite consoles, looking forward to the vid!
Once you softmod a WiiU, you have a HDMI modded WiiU, Wii, Gamecube, DS and muli platform emulation machine all in one ;)
+TacticalPower88 I really only care about legitimate hardware options.
Physical media all the way!
Retro8bit Software backups while keeping physical media safely preserved all the way!
+Adam Koralik Games are software. A PC is just a better Gamecube for the purpose of playing Gamecube games. Better resolution, anisotropic filtering, AA and no slow downs, save anywhere you want. Every Gamecube disc is a copy, no matter how legitimate you feel it may be; it's a plastic coaster with some picture reproduced on one side an a string of bits imprinted in the bumps of a metal foil.
The value is not in the hardware or paraphernalia. The value is in the immaterial property of the code and game assets; infinitely reproducible at zero cost.
Before long, more people will have played gamecube on something that isn't a gamecube than have even touched an original gamecube.
Hardware is for weirdo collectors types and nostalgics. The same sort of people who'd pay $1000 for a stamp that was printed incorrectly because it is rare.
Software means no weird region locks, no massive bookshelf full of decaying hardware and plastic coasters, no censorship (e.g. see the grotesque PS2 Twisted metal Black PAL version), fan translations of japanese games that you'd never be able to play otherwise, fixed translations in games that were broken (e.g. Castlevania 2 - Simon's quest), you can play the best version of any game, it means modding (see for instance 60 FPS hacks, widescreen hacks, Dolphin VR), it means the preservation of these games for future generations which will never have access to the Gamecube for reasons of cost or effort.
Even Nintendo has been caught using roms they downloaded from the internet to offer emulated versions of their past games on their e-shop.
soylentgreenb Preach Brother Preach!
There's no way in h... I'm ever going to experience this for myself, yet I am glued to my monitor for this video Thank god for Adam koralik!
You can force PAL games to run in 480p with an SD Media Launcher. Most of them, as far as I know.
Everybody gets fun!
Thorough as always man keep up the good work
Thanks!
According to their website, the price for an HDMI modified Gamecube is about $340.00 USD. Yikes.
Siknik64 fuck that.
The hdmi adapter is $100. Zeldaxpro I think makes them.
Get ZeldaxPro's GC plug and play adapter it's essentialy the same thing
don't get ZeldaxPro's plug, shit is WELL known in the community to ruin GCs. If you're really worried about getting the clearest image of your GC games without shelling out that much just look into My Life in Gaming's video on it
I was just happy at the time that the GameCube got RGB @60hz in Europe.
9:40 the screen fade gave me some PBS cooking show vibes...
Correction, Component cables were released in Australia through Nintendo Australia. It involved calling them and ordering. Even the Australian PAL Gamecube box advertises this option. I still have my set I ordered in Australia.
Some European game cube PAL games have the code in them to display 480p progressive scan. The 480p signal has to be activated via a mod chip or boot disc. An example of a PAL game that supports this is buffey the vampire slayer.
I wonder if/when a PS2 variant of this is/would be available... Completely modified insides with a HDMI port sporting native 1080p upscaling! That would be heavenly... The PS2 looks muddy on a modern TV; looks great on CRTs though.
Luke Weeks I've got a component cable on my modded ps2 I can force 1080p upscale
"The PS2 looks muddy on a modern TV; looks great on CRTs though."
Looks great if your TV supports 240p over component.
Ps2 with Component looks good on my LCD 32 inch..
Be honest guys, PS2 image quality never looks good. Not with RGB and not with component. It will always be dissapointing compared to Xbox/Gamecube results.
Very few games run in 240p, though.
2017 and you still use an old bad camera ?
Thanks for the tip about the Framemister. Now? Who's the second person in the world who's gonna play European games in America?
Yet to find them.
Way awesome Adam, congrats dude!!!
The GameCube is such an amazing little* console!!!
* "little" its actually larger than the Switch, plus docking port..;)
According to RetroRGBs Wii page and the shmups forum, there are some newer Wiis (e.g. the Black Sports Resort Edition and the Red Mario Edition with the RVL-CPU-60), that output a much higher quality video signal than the originals. Can you confirm this or cover this issue on your channel?
Awesome video Adam! That GameCube looks sweet :-)
Thanks!
I bought my component cables from Nintendo Australia a couple of days after I bought the system. While they never got a general release in stores, to say that the component cables weren't available at all in Australia is not true.
It's no longer necessary to mod them. There are third party HDMI adapters that fit in the digital port (DOL-001 only). They're custom made so can be a bit pricey (I paid $100 for mine), but it works just as well as HDMI mods. PAL games do work with HDMI in 480i (my adapter does line doubling so I can play 480i games just fine). Some later PAL games did start adding progressive scan support though. I think my adapter is a newer revision of the one you showed. It's MUCH MUCH smaller and uses mini-HDMI on the adapter itself. The connector has also been completely replaced and there is no possibility of shorting anymore.
"They fucked ya, so fuck 'em back." That's always been my motto too. It's always important to be considerate.
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Check if the system works with the mega man x collection. I hv the Nintendo GameCube component cables and that game doesn’t work with those cables. Fun fact about the GameCube component cables; they were never released at the stores, back in the day I did see that some games had the component option and in one of those games manual it said to call Nintendo to order them, so I called and paid about $79.99(USD) plus $14.99 for shipping and that’s how I got mine.
They were sold in stores in Japan.
Adam Koralik Ok, kool. The best game that I’ve seen were the component cables really shine is Eternal Darkness!
Adam Koralik does the hdmi mod work with the mega man x collection?
Great video, thanks for sharing , very informative. I have mainly PAL games and use a PAL Cube but will try the Plug N Play 3.0 first and see how that goes.
Thanks for watching!
I've been waiting for him to review this
Enjoy!
I think a better option, would be to HDMI modified a Wii, so you can have better picture quality on Wii and GC games, since it's backwards compatible.
Adam little idea video in the future if ever you look in to it. when ever you decide to softmod the WII U you should do another comparison/recommend best video quality options for the gamecube. it would be interesting to see the WII U softmodded and gamecube modded side by side. aside from that damn what a night and day difference component and HDMI video quality for the the gamecube. it certainly makes you not want to go back lol.
One benefit of using a PAL Gamecube is that by using the Game Boy Player with the Swiss-software you can play gameboy-games in 240p with RGB SCART ;-)
You can force 480p on PAL gamecube games on the Wii, many backuploaders support that option.
Also, RGB Scart doesn't support 480p, only up to 480i/576i. So giving that the component cables weren't released at all in europe, it "kinda"makes sence they cut out 480p support on PAL games.
Ha! I just set my launch day PAL Cube up yesterday to play Rogue Squadron for the first time on an HD tv and it looked terrible at first and I was looking to improve the AV cable. Now my eyes have adjusted after a few hours it doesn't look too bad
What are those vertical lines all over the screen? 27:32 I have a official Nintendo Component cable and notice them all the time in my games even at 480p it annoys me a lot.
Adam, I recommend you to a few of a my friends and they really enjoy your content.
Thanks!
Still wanting to play Fatal Frame on my original Wii
This still isn't what people really want, what people like me want is a non modded plug and play way to play this stuff... it just sucks no one will mass produce the one that guy made a few months ago
the one where if you bumped it it would short out and kill the cube?
Which happened to Metal Jesus Rocks
You get my point so stop trying to troll me
I agree
Delta ZX I ended up getting the GC Plug n Play 3.0. The 3d printed plug is definitely a HUGE upgrade, and doesn't have any issues the 2.0 did with shorting consoles. I've been playing 8+ hrs for days and its been flawless. And it's way cheaper than $300, that is outrageous.
Great low down. I personally use a custom hdmi adapter. Happy with this.
Regarding the comment about leaving the digital out alone and adding a hdmi - ensuring original functionally exists. Clearly only for purists being no adaptor I know of using this port? Could be wrong but reason the big N took it out themselves was lack of use.
I was talking to Lucas Dietz about making one for Wii. I bought the Xbox HDMI cable from him. Works great. Hopefully, we'll get other cables for future TVs.
XBox HDMI cable..?
"Xbox hdmi cable lucas dietz" doesn't turn up anything in Google. I'm pretty sure there would have been a significant amount of interest in one.
Jared Bowhay-Pringle You think everything is on Google? Haha
Point is that native digital HDMI output for older consoles is something that a lot of people would be interested in, so it would show up in a Google search, be it via a forum, reddit or whatever. I did find some Brazilian mods which involved hacking up a Wii2HDMI and converting it for use with the Xbox, which is of no more use than a cheap RGB to HDMI adapter and is only worth doing in Brazil because neither RGB SCART or component were popular video outputs over there. As far as I know, only the Gamecube could have a proper HDMI cable made for it because it's the only older console that outputs a native digital signal via the AV ports. The only way a true digital HDMI output would be possible on the original Xbox is through an internal modification with an HDMI jack added to the rear of the console.
Jared Bowhay-Pringle The only disagreement I have with your statement is that it is pointless. Although there are no difference in video quality between the component cable and HDMI adapter, the newer TVs are moving away from component inputs, so for that reason I bought one from Lukas Dietz. I sent Adam a pic if it. It's nice with blue LEDs. I might can put it on photobucket to show.
Liking the new mic!
Wow, picture looks so good through that HDMI mod! I think it'll stick with playing on Dolphin emulator tho
Good thing that some of the heavy hitters on the GameCube like Zelda, Resident Evil and Pikmin have received shinier remasters on newer consoles. Shame they can't do that with F-Zero and Rogue Squadron. I have a soft modded Xbox for the 3rd party stuff of that period and there's no problem there using PAL games with a 720p dashboard
Dude the dancing storm troopers!!👍🏾
I did this mod about a year ago. It was a pain in the ass, but I eventually got it to work. My *only* complaint with the finished product is that an automatic HDMI switcher doesn't 't detect it :/
We're pretty lucky here in the UK. Our HDTVs now support both PAL and NTSC video standards. This means we can plug in any console from any country and it will work.
I wonder if the trade-off of using 576i (with the higher resolution) over 480p (lower res but progressive scan) has any advantages?
The PAL Gamecube actually outputs at a standard 576i at 50Hz with the option on some games to output 480i at 60Hz.
This makes me wonder if a PAL Gamecube with this mod could run USA games at 576p at 60Hz? This would give both progressive scan and the higher resolution video. The best of both worlds!
Awesome video 👍. Going through each console, one at a time and working to get the best possible video quality. Finally ordered my Akura (!!!) Gamecube and N64 are next and this looks plausible as an option... although I still may just spring for the component cables cause I have a friend who has a pair and I am just trying to work out a deal for them. N64 seems like a more complicated beast :/.
N64 is...tough, yeah.
yeah this thing looks awesome!
@6:00 you know you can hack the wii and wiiu and force progressive mode even on Pal gamecube games through the nintendont programm, right?
I was waiting for this since i've seen Metal Jesus take on it!
Hi. Metal Jesus tried hdmi cable adaptador in his gamecube console, then his gamecube broke. Watch here:
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A greeting from Madrid
Keep on gamming
Yes i understand, i commented before watching the video.
0arsoluto 0arsoluto I actually just was able to order the 3.0 model yesterday, the issues have been fixed
Really? how about some price cut ?
his gamecube didnt break. the drunk chick drop kicked it off the table.
I've had the hdmi adapter for a month now. Easily the best route. It costs $100 and, obviously you can use it on another GameCube. Which is nice in case your GameCube breaks.
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22:00 no three. You and my life in gaming.
During the Rogue Squadron Hoth comparison at the end, there's some kind of banding visible in the sky in the HDMI clips; is that part of the game itself, or is it coming from the capture equipment?
I feel that the original Xbox needs an HDMI adapter or a mod of some kind for the same reason as you mentioned with the GameCube. Component Video is being phased out on alot of TVs and would expand the life of the console. Also the PS2 could use a good quality HDMI adapter as well. Its good to see Nice Pristine quality out of the GameCube.
Adam, to boot up PAL games in an a mode that NTSC consoles will recognize you have to force the game to boot up in NTSC mode. To do that hold either x or y when the GameCube is booting up. I had this problem initially when i installed my xenogc chip.
We (PAL) also got screwed with the Xbox, which also had the progressive scan option removed. I don't understand why they would do that.
Erik Heijden in the case of the original Xbox, at least the settings are in the system rather than the games (AND component cables are much easier to get for it). Once you've softmodded a PAL console it's good to go.
strykah92 I know it can be fixed now with a softmod, but that's not my point. I don't get why it was disabled by default.
To be honest wii with component is probably best price to performance
Ya, any mod or special cable seems to be too much to be worth whatever improvement in picture quality there is. I use s-video on a good quality CRT, more than enough for me. In my experience though, most people I know who retro game just use composite and don't really seem to care about better picture quality.
albino_gringo the amount of people who are going to notice the difference between Wii and GC component or hdmi mod and be bothered by it is pretty minimal. I get it for hard core's, but most gamers just want to play and don't want to pay for cable connections.
I know BadassConsoles is coming out with a Plug and Play HDMI adapter that goes directly into the digital output port.
Did you get the HDMI 480p and Composite footage mixed up? I only say this because I see bars and the footage looks horrid in the HDMI 480p and the composite looks cleaner. Has the YT compression caused issues?
I just don't understand why certain region's games/consoles would have certain features vs other regions. Wtf is the point of purposely taking that PSM off of PALS games?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Shawn A86 Probably has something to do with the whole 50hz thing.
different refresh rates, different screen resolutions.
Different refresh rates yes, screen resolutions mostly no (the only different resolution we have that I think NTSC doesn't is 576p/576i)
did the hdmi modifed nintendo gamecube work good adam
Adam, how do you know so much about resolutions and how all this stuff works? Where did you learn it? I would like to learn about all of this in depth if I can but I don't know where to look.
I Would just like to point out that the BIOS switch is probably there because in some japanese games the text is garbled when using an American GCN because of missing fonts on the BIOS or something like that, so the japanese BIOS overcomes this issue.
I Don't know if this was mentioned before here in the comments
I would prefer the external HDMI adapter because I don't like modded consoles.
Even if the modification was adding an HDMI? Kinda need it for future proof
All of this is why i am happy i use emulation of all consoles in my gaming pc, even connecting it to my TV... i understand if you all love consoles.
Great, the fight against the component issue goes on. This could be great for me, but it isnt worth the hassle for me. Im using my Cube with RGB on my 29'' Trinitron and its fine. The Sony is build '89 and is on its best way to get 30 years old :)
I hate PAL games with no 60hz and progressive scan support. 99% of PAL PS1 games ruined the game experience for me with the odd slowdown and small screen bs. This is why I prefer NTSC games over PAL games.
17:34 - Yeah, my HDTV does this with a lot of the PS2 and Gamecube stuff. It's annoying but I've learned to grin and bear it. If anyone knows how to disable this, I'm all ears.
Just buy a Wii U and homebrew it. Its super easy and you can play everything thats ever been released on a Nintendo console.
Original hardware man.
Wii/WII U have original GC hardware as part of the system. Man.
i understand
Not the Wii U, Original Wii with GC card slots and GC controller ports does have original hardware, Wii U is emulation..
I believe the Wii U actually does have some GameCube internals, since it has an entire Wii inside it, so while it can't play the discs, it can use some of that instead of being straight up emulation.
That being said, GameCube is the worst console (in my opinion, at least) to want to emulate. I love the Game Boy Player and having the GBA connectivity for things like Chao in Sonic Adventure and transferring Pokemon. You can't emulate that kind of stuff, and it takes away from those experiences
I'd be interested to see a comparison of Wii component 480i and the HDMI Gamecube
Im assuming with any hdmi modded console u dont get that delay or lag that u get when playing in rgb (any other format) on a newer tv
Unpopular opinion, but when I saw the footage I noticed that the HDMI footage looked considerably worse than the others, at least If you're a UK guy like me. As great as It is to get the 'purest' signal possible out of older gaming systems, I feel It defeats the intentions of the original developers.
Regardless,
When you showed an example of 480i PAL content via Component @ 21:12, the black levels looked substantially better compared to the very same output via HDMI which looked very washed out.
However, whilst I did notice that HDMI had the edge over the other modes under NTSC standards It was ruined by the faint lines across the screen but that may be caused by the frame-meister OR the internal HDMI chip.
I'm personally perfectly fine with using a Wii with Component to play GameCube games because I know the original hardware can only go so far and If I wanted It in Full HD I could just use a GameCube emulator on PC.
why can't Smash Melee embrace HDMI and LCD screen? I know that LCD screen is still has some slight lag when comparing to CRT but some LCD monitors like BenQ has very small lag if not noticable at all
Would have liked to see what F-Zero looked like but Rogue S2 works too, man what a massive difference, it's like an early 360 game. How much does this cost? I'll have to consider doing this, GC's my favorite console.
Is the board that they used a Pluto board? I did this a few months ago and man I can't believe how good it looks.
Might be? Not sure.
Now I only wish there was a cheap arcade stick for the Cube...I want to play my arcade GBA arcade collections.
Have you tried a PAL game with HDMI and line doubling disabled through the Framemeister?
Seems really cool, but still not as pragmatic as running Dolphin on a decent desktop. Still, great video, I like hearing about all of the technical stuff with this sort of thing.
How does the input lag compare? I know composite on flat screens has noticeable lag with any system, does the component cable or the HDMI modification make that any better?
Why not just purchase the Plug & Play 2.0 HDMI adapter instead? Is there any pro's? Cons?
DO they do recap the systems also and put those replaceable battery on them also?
Also do they also do hi def nes or ultra hdmi n64?
My kingdom for a functioning, high quality clone of the GC component cable. HDMI is great for people who want to hook it up to their HDTV / monitor, but it's not great for Smash which is still primarily played on CRTs.
Adam, do you know how deinterlacing works? I ask this because I have PAL consoles, and from my understanding if you deinterlace it halfs the frame rate, in this case 60 to 30fps. Is this correct or can you actually get 60fps from interlaced footage.
Isn't the image is looking a bit softer than usual ?
Anyway, I freaking love the GameCube. I'm a young one here and that was my first game console that was MINE!
dude Adam I have that t-shirt that you are wearing lol.. great video!
Thanks for watching!
This is pretty awesome but I took a glance at the pricing and holy balls is that expensive. Over $330 USD for a console modded to the same specs as that. I get why it costs that much though considering it is done by hand and ships from Canada.
Sure, it is pretty expensive, but if you are looking at the price of the GC component cables you might as well go with this for even better quality
liquidfabi Yeah I agree 100%. Hopefully a cheaper option becomes more widely available though like that HDMI adapter thing he mentioned. If a company was able to produce those on a larger scale that may be the best option.
How tied to a particular system is the mod? I'd go with the cables incase of a system hardware failure. Much easier to buy a new base GC than figure out how to fix a broken modded one or transfer a mod I'd imagine. I'm sure it's worth it for some, I'd personally probably just play in lesser resolution and buy Cubivore (but then if you can afford the mod, you can prob afford both).
So would this mod provide better picture quality than the GC Video Plug n Play HDMI adapter or the same?
Didn’t know us Europeans got shafted hard by Nintendo. Still loved my GameCube back in the day.