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It's still done a way to imply they could save her soul, just incase they get that 3rd season...moral of the story is don't watch Velma season 2 even for the HATE
and UNLIKE this and last season, there is yet to be a confirmation that Season 3 has already been greenlit. APATHY TO THIS SEASON IS OUR KEY TO WATCHING THIS VELMA GET DRAGGED INTO HELL
@@gRinchY-op5vr No, that's not the moral of the story. Shows on streaming services don't earn revenue from ads, watching them doesn't impact "ratings" in the way that conventional television does. Like, if you already have Netflix then you already have given them your money. Wat you watch after doesn't matter. And do you really think people who hate watch the show are watching it legitimately if they don't already have netflix/hbo/whatever? Come on. They're pirating it. People need to stop blaming hate watching for bad shows on streaming services. That isn't how it works. The monetization of television on them is fundamentally different, and therefor so too are the incentives for those in charge to make more shows/seasons or not.
Scrappy was originally created to save the franchise & we made him a villain for it. He carried out his intended mission : saving the franchise & killing Mindy - Velma. He was a hero, villain & a hero once more.
Remember, HBO Max sat back and watched as the internet gaslit themselves into believing that hate watching led to a second season when, in reality, the cheapskates split a 20 episode season into two seasons so they could pay the crew for one season.
Literally just saw dummies in the comments a couple scrolls up *still* claiming that hate watching will lead to a season 3. Dumb people still haven't learned I guess. As if hate watchers pay and don't pirate it.
@@KuroAceVT How? The "second" season was happening no matter what. And it clearly didn't help this season because they barely promoted it. I only knew about it because of a tweet stating that this and Knuckles were airing on the same day, which was wrong because Velma aired the day before Knuckles.
@@redbigun simple. If the first season got low views it could send a message that hey, maybe making every single character a narcissistic asshole isn’t a good thing, and force them to make the show less bad. Notice i said less bad, not good. We’re talking about what’s possible, not miracles
It's funny how people asume hate-watching implies buying a suscription to watch the show in an official manner instead of, you know, doing it through piracy.
Shame! I can't believe you would condone using sites like kimcartoon which offer HD episodes for free sometimes on the same release day and work great even with an adblocker.
I've seen copers trying to say that even pirating the show helped it when the entire point of a show being on streaming is to get more people interested in subscribing to the platform. I don't think it hurts that much but I also don't think it helps at all.
At least when Scrappy was originally made they were just trying to make a funny cartoon puppy, and even if he ended up being kind of annoying at least he looks kind of cute. Everything in Velma looks and feels like it was made purely out of cynical spite and disgust.
@@Omnywrench and ironically, Scrappy-Doo ended up saving the franchise, as he was made especifically to bring new life to it (which was in decline at that time).
the reason why there was a season 2 is not because people watched the first one, its far worse actually Warner can ¨commission¨ the artists for a season of 20 episodes, then cut it into 2 seasons of 10 episodes, but without having to pay the animators any extra money, as extra seasons cost extra money season 1 and 2 was commissioned as 1 entire season and it was to exploit the people that animated this show
Killed her, and then implied she ought to be dragged straight to hell. They inwardly know that she's irredeemable scum. I'm not even a christian and I concur!
@@SireForseti I think it was a meme because, at the time he was introduced, he kind of saved Scooby from what I can recall. They needed a new idea at the time to keep people interested in the IP and adding in someone that was pretty much the complete opposite of Scooby himself as a foil made for new ways to react to encounters with "monsters".
Making Thorn, a middle-aged mother, when she is implied to be slightly older than the Scooby gang, makes me think that someone wanted to justify their random nobody OC.
What's weird is that a lot of Mindy Kaling's own life contradicts the shows "humor." She was not born to privlage (just had 2 hardworking parents), but she became rich and successful. Her longest relationship was with a straight white man, as were all of her main love interests on her TV show. She is raising her 2 children in her family's faith (Hinduism). And she is an admitted fan of romantic comedies as well as cheesy teen vampire romance franchises. So her animated counterpart passionately talking about only being sucsessful by coming from wealth, hating white men, religion (and all religious people) being stupid, and cynically taking down romance tropes... all of that is NOT what she actually believes. So it feels like she just did all of that to seem "cool" and "edgy" which is MORE cringe.
Velma in season 1 started off being a worse character than Scrappy Doo, a character that mystery incorporated made disses at. Velma season 2 then redeemed Scrappy Doo by having him kill Velma. Never thought that such instances would become reality, but here we are.
Was Scrappy-Do then instantly redeemed before the credits rolled by removing a mask and revealing that he wasn’t REALLY Scrappy-Do, but was instead the show creators rampant sense of self-hatred and broad-spectrum victim complex doing Scrappy-Do cosplay?
The writers seem to think that adult animation/comedy == "everyone is an a-hole". Hopefully, Velma's failure will make future comedy writers understand that you only need one a-hole in those shows if not none, Lower Decks managed with none.
It is such a weird trend. Yes, Rick and Morty was (And still is) incredibly popular while having some of the most selfish, egocentric and awful characters ever put to screen. But despite that they are still likeable! They aren't likeable because they are assholes, they are likeable despite being assholes. Their terrible traits are seen as just that. Terrible. It isn't being glorified nor written as the only way to be funny for adults (Despite what some people seem to believe..but those people also believed that Homelander was the hero in "The Boys" so yeah) Having assholes in a show is alright, but it actually needs to be character flaws not the whole freaking character...
The problem with the Velma/Daphne relationship is not that they are gay or that it couldn't work somewhere else, It is that it is poorly written and they have no chemistry in this show. Also judging from how they said lesbian kissing as hot in the first season, it seems more like a fetish rather than a real attempt at writing a real relationship. I have seen well written gay relationships in cartoons before, it's just that they treated them like any other romantic partner and they make no big deal about it. This Show insists upon itself.
One of the key components is not focusing on queerness as taboo in the fantasy genre. Gritty movie trying to make social commentary or being historically accurate to the marginalization gay people face? sure. But cartoon yoowoo land of absurdity doesn’t need to shoehorn in lesbians like they are absurd
@@valx7586not to mention shitting on the queerness in previous legitimate iterations of scooby doo, Velma was a lesbian in Mystery Incorporated but the girl who she ends up dating (though they werent allowed to explicitly say i think) is an interesting character of her own. Daphne and Fred are a whole thing, i think they’re cute together, so using her to ship with Velma seems really contrived, there’s a world where it could work but not with the writers of “Velma” thats for sure
@@AnEmu404Yeah, it still sucks that the network wouldn't let them openly say she and Marcie (Hot Dog Water) were in a relationship, but the writers have been VERY open about that being canon and their intention- Anyway I keep coming back to Mystery Incorporated, it's such a genuinely great show and still holds up imo agh
The funny thing about Scrappy-Doo was that he was the sole reason why Hanna-Barbera ended up making profit when views on their Scooby-Doo show began to dwindle and they were losing money. Scrappy was basically their answer
Yeah, it's not Velma. That's just Mindy Kaling the animated version. Their only difference is, Mindy SA's her costars and blackmails staff members. Other than that, it's pretty much identical.
@@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414There was SOME backlash, just not enough, and not from the industry, where it really would've mattered- How the hell do people get away with repeatedly sexually harassing their coworkers when that should just straight-up get them, like, blacklisted from the entire business??
Weinsteins assistant is currently making a Star Wars show despite the obvious, Hollywood must be chock full of such people since you seemingky find one around every corner these days...
By the way Scrappy was already redeemed in the Scooby Doo Apocalypse comics where he starts off as a literal psychopath then over the story grows into a hero willing to sacrifice himself for the people he hated
I think my problem with Thorn being in the show is 1. She really has no point other than being Amber's mom story-wise. And even then, she still could've been replaced with an original character anyway but we know why she wasn't 2. Because this show has a lot of spite for its IP for some reason, she was added to specifically tick off the Mystery Inc. fans by adding her anyway. Which too bad for them, she looks gorgeous as an older woman anyway (seriously guys it could've been worse) 3. The Hex Girls were around the same age as the rest of the gang and yet she's older than them in the origin story Like- make it make some sense at least
"Velma turns into a ghost" Isn't the whole appeal of Scooby-Doo that all the monsters *aren't* real? Like, yes, there are a few cares where there are actual monsters, but 99% of them turn out to be angry rich people. I'm not the biggest Scooby-Doo Fan, I just find Velma hot. The old one, I mean. But this show just kinda feels like it is actively doing everything that isn't Scooby-Doo related or the inverse of it. Like they're ashamed of it being Scooby-Doo.
I noticed the formatting of the intro title and was like "wait isn't that..." and then he did the monologue and I went "okay it is." _Then_ he did the surprised faces on the monolith and I _fucking lost it._
I literally just discovered "I have no mouth and I must scream" about a week ago, this intro was perfect! I knew I felt something familiar about the text at the beginning and I love how you added in their faces!
The writer’s room probably only added Amber to the cast to try and shake off Mindy Khaling’s TERF allegations. It would be nice if she’s actually learned & grown but I still highly doubt it.
As I was watching this video I had been thinking, "You know, this show's got some really weird gender essentialism (all men are inherently like THIS and all women are inherently like THAT and that's just nature) going on, and that plus the weird focus on genitals is giving off major TERF warning bells" so... guess that failed.
someone needs to tell the writers that your main character acting like an arsehole 24/7 is not actually a funny joke and in-fact it just makes them incredibly unpopular
Shows like Velma and Santa Inc really make me wonder. Has there ever been a show, that follows the format of "absolutely terrible person quotes braindead sociopolitical Reddit posts for absolutely no reason anytime they're challenged or provoked", that was actually liked? Like, is that a format that's ever worked even once, let alone enough times to justify trying it multiple times? When do the toddlers writing these shows realize the square peg just doesn't fit the round hole?
@ScrambledAndBenedict There is. 2 big examples in fact. South Park and Always Sunny in Philadelphia. How do they work? For one, they know how to tell jokes, two, the jerks receive karma for their terrible actions.
@@hecklejack7726 south park recognises that cartman is an asshole though and it does have good characters to act as a foil, this show treats velma like she's a genius
The thing that personally annoys me about Velma’s hypocrisy is that it could actually be really interesting if explored. I’m sure we all know people that cry “eat the rich” but deep down would disagree HARD the second they are the rich. Some of us might even be that person. And I can’t really think of any media that have explored that kind of character. It’s a shame that I genuinely can’t tell if the writers realize she’s like this.
I kind of hate that the animation actually isn't bad or ugly, being an adult animated series, after all. It actually looks nice, with proper lighting and a sharp artstyle. It's really too bad the writing is so chaotic and cynical, even straight-up offensive, and not the fun kind.
Yeah, just because a cartoon has good animation doesn't mean it's any good, lol. Can't believe such talent In the animation is wasted on this cancerous show.
I hate how all the characters have the same tone of voice. They deliver the same types of "self aware" lines and the same smug sarcasm. In well written shows all the characters talk differently. If you turn on My Little Pony: FIM Rarity would talk very differently than Pinky Pie, etc.
On Hatewatching. THIS. I'm so glad someone finally said this. Hatewatching is not sustainable despite how loud people may be about it because they're always a minority of viewers. It's so hard to get friends or anyone into a show nowadays. A large majority of people are just not going to sit through something that's bad. And I'm guessing most people hating on the show are engaging with it through media reviews so there is even less need to go seek out bad content. I would even suggest that watching and poking fun at bad media isn't really hatewatching if you're having fun doing so, especially in the company in others.
Hell between lack of time and decreasing attention spans it can be hard to convince your friends to get into a GOOD show. I have yet to meet someone irl that has seen Entourage, The Leftovers or the Fargo tv series despite me praising those shows constantly to anyone who will listen. Your friends might agree to hatewatch a bad movie so you can have a good laugh at it for a couple of hours but they're not going to put up with a whole series of that crap.
@@AverageWagie Right on, I have ZERO tolerance for bad shows and I will stop watching the moment I find something thats bad or stupid. Also there is nothing worse than a show that doesnt know when to stop. Then again neither does modern movies with slasher/horror films having to clock in at a minimum of 120 minutes, like the movie X that has over an hour of filler material or Saw X thats nearly 2 hours long. Compare this to lets say The Texas chainsaw massacre (1974) that has a runtime of 83 minutes and not a single filler moment.
There's also a massive difference between watching a b movie and a "b TV" show. Bad movies are usually 90 minutes at most and then it's over, watching an entire shitty TV show is too much
What I hate (though I understand if people don't know) is that the cop that was killed in this season was a reference to Don Knotts. Former deputy on the Andy Griffith show. The design is so extremely close to what the actor looks like that I feel it's not a coincidence. Don Knotts was also a guest on one of the very first Scooby doo shows (though I have forgotten which one at the moment.) So to me who is actually a fan of his work, I'm more insulted that they portrayed a deceased actor this way. I know, I know, it's more the character really, but something about that still insults me somehow...
The fact that they used Scrappy & not *actual* Scooby Do "Bc We CoUlDn'T mAkE a TaLkInG dOg FuNnY"/Warner Bros. rightfully didn't want him to be soiled on by the show is kinda ironic - & not bc Scrappy was any good originally.
the "we're doing a breakfast club," joke really seems like it was taken from that rick and morty episode where they kept saying, "we're doing a die hard."
HBO thought that introducing Kardashians' and Jersey Shore's shallow, vapid, bitchiness was what we wanted. HBO doesn't understand Scooby Doo, its characters, and its fans.
Y'know what's sad? I just recently rewatched the first SpongeBob SquarePants movie which came out in 2004 and cost $30 million to make. That films animation still REALLY holds up, and it somehow manages to be funny, while bridging the gap between child like humor and being JUST adult enough for people my age to still laugh at. And those laughs are 150% earned. According to as much research as I cared to do, Velma might have cost around $20 million for a single season. And it's not only going to age like milk, but it's already dated in 2024. How did we get here?
We hire on nepotistic criteria rather than merit, mainly. Doesn't matter whether the nepotism is you are the boss' kid or whether it's your skin color and sexuality, if your not hired for competence then you have no incentives to be competent, and people that are are more likely to be offended at you wanting them as a token then they are to take the job knowing you don't care about their credentials but you just want a black lesbian to brag about how diverse your hiring practices are, so you end up with no talent narcissists like Kahling instead. Moral of the story, don't make nepotism an institutional part of your hiring practices, peoples arbitrary characteristics should be completely irrelevant to their job prospects.
Besides the budget, there are so many things different between a movie production and a show from the production point of view. I agree Velma looks ugly but there is no relation between the budget and how it looks
I'm an atheist, but not a Reddit atheist. Seriously, though, the writers of Velma don't even write any clever jokes about religion or atheism. It's just "Hey, I'm an atheist. BELIEVE IT!"
As long as we don't watch Velma on HBO Max, there's a possibility that the next season might never happen. So if the show gets cancelled, then Velma gets truly game-ended by Scrappy Doo in Hell. That's one way to end a toxic character. Edit: And at long last, the show is officially cancelled! I WAS RIGHT!!
Sadly, the show's creator will probably ask her parents to use their connections to greenlit a third season. That was how she got into college, never worried about debt and immediately got into acting. Her parents pulled some strings so we're getting a third season and Mindy doesn't care as long as she continues working on her vanity project.
No, hate watching doesn't give the show more chance at more seasons. That isn't how streaming services work, they don't earn money off of advertisements which care about viewer count. Also you know people can pirate TV shows right? People can hate watch Velma on other websites than HBOmax.
@@curosaber Until one executive just doesn't care about how much money is being shoved into their face and shoves the ratings back into their face in the most corporate way to tell someone to kick rocks.
The ending of this video basically implied that they're already done with Velma and are not planning on continuing it. That's how most animated shows work now - it's just one season and then you move on to the next one.
After the "I have no mouth and I must scream" reference at the beginning, I now kinda want to see a fan animation of Cynical Reviews trapping the characters of Velma in a vast underground labyrinth and torturing them in a variety of horrible and imaginative ways...
I'm an audio engineer and do post here and there so my guess is that the show didnt have enough money to get people recording in studios so they got less important characters just record at home. And whoever mixed the audio either didnt know how to clean it up or the VO did it themselves
You know what's even worse than this show...the fact that Velma season 2, isn't actually season 2. It was originally supposed to be a part of season 1. Warner Bros, didn't want to pay their animators more money for a full season, so they broke it up and split the episodes marketing as two seasons
I'm surprised that making 2 x 10 episodes is that much cheaper than making 20 episodes. Surely there's the same amount of work involved? It's not like the two "seasons" were being made at the same time and so they were paid extra to get it done faster, but the second half was just released a year later.
@@laurendearnley9595the cheaper part about it is that they don't have renegotiate contracts(raises) for the employees since they automatically signed on to do season 2 when they did season 1
At least the series is finally making people realize how overdone all the Scrappy Doo dunking has been. That joke has gone stale over a decade or two ago. Now if only better done Scooby Doo media finally brings him back and does more with him than "Hey, people hate Scrappy on the internet, right? We're so in tune!"
8:39 Haven’t seen Velma, but I actually appreciate when streaming shows include recaps before episodes, even when the whole season comes out at once. I don’t usually binge shows, so it’s nice to have that option. The Dragon Prince does that too, and Fallout did
I'd find more joy in learning about Blue Waffles in grave detail, over having to listen to Velma's manipulative ass cuz the writers thought "abuse is funny"
As someone who’s written fan fiction, I can’t help but genuinely feel like calling this garbage fan fiction is an insult to the craft. (Not saying my Darth Maul fic on Deviantart was a masterpiece, but I can bet anyone can agree that I did a much better job at representing the source material than this!)
The most Ironic part about this show is how I actually found Fred (the character that the writers spent the most humiliating) the most likable character and pretty funny within the first season and episode 1 of season 2.... I might need to go to the doctor after this...😐
Well, even though Be Cool, Scooby Doo's art style isn't what it used to be, the show has followed one important rule: following the premise's formula. Showcasing Monster of the Week, The Gang gets information of the monster, gets a mystery on their hands, they spot the creature (or the creature spots them), chase sequence ensues with music, cooking up an illaborate trap while coaxing Shaggy and Scooby with Scooby Snacks, monster falls to the trap and gets unmasked, they explain why and how the villain do these foul deeds with costumes/remote controlled robots/special effects, the bad guy explains why they do this and gets send to jail, and they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for the Meddling Kids and their dog, Scooby Doo All in this order.
That line Fred had about the church teaching him attack spells was unhinged enough it got a laugh out of me. That's not a bragging right for a comedy show, because it missed everything else.
Time to redeem Scrappy doo. Scooby doo was going to be cancelled in late 1970s due to low ratings so they changed the formula with scrappy and having shorter episodes and it worked. The 80s made for TV movies like Ghoul school are among my favourite from the entire franchise and scrappy is a great character.
I still don’t understand the Scrappy hate. Did he get a bit annoying at times? Yes. But he wasn’t even close to the worst character that the Scooby universe created. Apparently it was a tie between Scrappy and Riff Raff, again not that bad of a character. Though I have seen people say it was racist but quite frankly people need to stop looking at the past through modern shades. Anyway, Scrappy was a fun character for the time and definitely not the worst character ever and I dislike that they constantly use him as a villain. That was not how he was portrayed and really that’s just them catering to the fanbase that dislikes him. I will have to give Velma one thing. It made everyone realize that Scrappy was never the worst character.
You also have to remember, as much as people didn't like working with the character (and Joe and Bill also hated him), the actual hatedom as we know it was manufactured by Warner themselves. And everyone, from the franchise's crew to fans, just jumped on the bandwagon. Especially with the unflattering depictions and jokes in '02 and MI intensifying things. It's also worth noting that Scooby-Dum was a much worse character and unlike Scrappy, has not even gotten acknowledged, even negatively, since his initial appearances. Which may have helped perpetuate the Scrappy hate.
When I heard there was a second season of this show, I just went "You know what? This just doesn't spark joy." And ever since I've done my best to ignore it as hard as possible.
Perhaps even more of a tragedy than that. Firefly was canceled before the first season was even finished airing, and there are some signs that the network didn't even want to do that much given how horribly they scheduled it and mangled the intended broadcast order.
@@orsonzedd Honestly I'm not sure Joss Whedon himself is the problem. The people who imitate his supposed style are. He hasn't had anything to do with the MCU since 2015 yet people still seem to blame him for a lot of the current problems it has. In fact he hasn't done anything major recently. His last two projects I can find are the 2017 Justice League movie, which a lot of people contributed to making bad, and a series on HBO I never heard of before I started Googling. Joss Whedon is very hit-or-miss, but I think he gets a lot of hate for things that really aren't his fault.
It's a "second season" in name only. It's actually the first season still but they cut it in half. It's a Mr. Krabs-esque way of trying to avoid paying their animators. We only know this because Netflix did this with The Cuphead Show.
"How could season two possibly be a downgrade of season one? That was a shitshow" I thought, naively at the start of this video, not yet knowing the terrors to come
I've said it once and I'll say it again, it's possible to have a cast of characters who are a bunch of jerks that don't grow or change, for example It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is about a group of narcissistic, sociopathic jerks who try to con a bunch of people (and sometimes each other) for their personal gain. But the reason why it works is not only is the whole point of the show is watching a bunch of narcissists try to con people and (for the most part) fail misably, but the the show is actually funny with great dark humor from writers who know how to handle characters like this Where Velma fails is because the jokes fail misably at being funny, your just stuck watching a bunch of unfunny and unlikeable assholes be mean to each other while in some cases try to make us 'sympathise' with them. It feels like the show tried to take elements from shows like It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia and BoJack Horsemen, but not only completely missing the point on why they worked in the first place, but also not realising that both shows have completely diffrent tones and writing, with Always Sunny being focus on comedy, while BoJack Horsemen is more focus on giving depth to its characters and exploring darker themes Edit: I also wanna bring up BoJack as another example on how to write a asshole character but in more dramatic way (I actually made a comment on Cynical's first video about Bojack and why he worked better as a protagonist compare to Velma so I'll try and keep this brief) in short the reason why BoJack works is cause not only is he actually funny when they make jokes with him, but while the writers explain how he became who he was and he does try to improve, they don't use it as an excuse or a way to downplay the awful stuff he does, and his actions actually have consequences for not just him, but the people around him
Yeah, main characters being terrible people works when it's done on purpose. Not so much when you're just a terrible person and accidentally translate that into your crappy self-insert
EXACTLY. There's a difference between shows like It's Always Sunny and Fawlty Towers, where the cast are a bunch of total wankers and the point is to laugh at them, and modern day adult animated shows like Hazbin Hotel (deal with it), Santa Inc. and Velma where everyone is some variety of awful, loud and/or vulgar scumbags whom we're expected to ROOT for. People have no problem with shows starring terrible people as long as the writers are fully aware of that fact and make the point be on their utter misfortune rather than trying to make them heroes. Spite, Nihilism and Ego is not a good combination.
Give the show some credit for not just forgetting all the brains in jars. Keeping them on as characters and trying to have regular lives is at least somewhat entertaining.
So woman didn't get called out for having small boobs or being overweight, yet the male characters got callled out for their sausage size? Thats definitely double standards and sexist
The fact the most disliked scooby doo character killed off the main character I think we owe scrappy an apology Just because he killed that b&tch velma
They totally have done and destroyed Gigi - making her barely appear at all in the show. Probably they realized how she is a much better character than any of the main ones.
you look like that ending scene of midsommar in the thumbnail. which makes sense because watching velma season 2 feels like the equivalent of being paralyzed as everything around you crashes and burns
There may be some good news for Scooby Doo fans in the future. A new series that sounds a bit like the 13 Ghost series called Go-Go Mystery Machine, and it involves both Shaggy and Scooby going to Japan where they wind up unleashing hundreds of mythical creatures. They also released a title card with artwork, and it actually looks pretty decent. It's going for a more anime style, which makes sense, and it looks way better than Velma. It also seems there will be three new characters joining them: a boy, a girl, and their own canine companion. And maybe it's just the style but looks like they aged Shaggy down to maybe his early or middle teens, seeing as he doesn't have the stubble he usually has.
I can compare Velma's character to Gumball from The Amazing World of Gumball. Velma is already an existing character for decades and her character is being bastardized for "mahdern awhdience" and is insufferable now. Gumball is already an asshole but likeable, he loves his girlfriend, and perhaps ultimately based af.
The show is so inconsistent with who it's trying to offend, that it's impossible to tell if the people behind actually believe in anything, like internet trolls.
Oh itll end. Trust me. The way i had no idea that this second season was out was indicative at first. Because when we heard the first season was releasing, there was so much noise
@@26th_Primarchi wish that the movie ends by velma being judged by all the velmas(from actual Scooby doo shows) and the result is she comeback back to life if she makes a contract to become the series new punching bag.
the deal was struck before the show started. with a good chunk of streamed animated shows, they are normally contracted via making a deal for having x amount of episodes then they split the episodes into x amount of seasons
Technically, the piece was made as one season as to avoid giving the crew the benefits and bonuses of that having two seasons would garner. Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if they are liable for a lawsuit given the way they went about it sounds borderline illegal.
If you're going to "hate watch" something, wait til long after, or watch it by... other means. Don't give them the views whatsoever. They don't even deserve that.
"Maybe solving mysteries with dogs is a mistake." [Velma shoots Fred a death glare] There it is. There's the one moment I actually laughed, and it's from them knowing not to have a character say too much or overexplain a joke.
Honestly it's a sad time to be a fan of anything right now. You know that drawing of the Grim Reaper knocking on a door and there's a row of doors with blood coming out of them behind him? It's like that right now. There's just a group of assholes running around tearing apart the landscape and murdering every single beloved franchise they can find.
I loved Scrappy growing up & I always feel bad when people make him a villain or outright ignore his existence... But I agree Scrappy died a hero in this one. RIP pup.
I wonder how once again nobody suspected Velma of being behind the murders of middle aged white men. She has literally been ranting about hating them and feeling no empathy for them to anyone in the hearing range. If there was even a sliver of logical thinking in the show, Velma would be the prime suspect -- like, seriously, it would be stupid to know what she says and how she acts and not to bring her in for questioning.
I think a combination of knowing we were getting another block of episodes (technically not a second season they just ordered extra episodes and paid for 1 season) and the stupidity jumps the shark you just go numb rather than wonder why they wanted to do Scooby to begin with. Writing and jokes are still awful and characters are all over the place, but it's not quite as bad as the first reveal they hated their audience.
They probably didn't want Scooby Doo. They probably wanted to do their own adult style teen drama thing like Riverdale but no one would greenlight it. But WB was looking to do something new with Scooby Doo and Mindy+Pals decided to re-pitch their idea as a Scooby Doo adaptation. That's what I think happened.
@Shenaldrac It would explain why all of the characters feel so unrelated to any other iterations of these characters. Like people have pointed out that Fred is pretty bland in the earlier Scooby Doo series, but I've never heard anyone complain he's a bully or toxic or anything. So Velma is satirizing a version of this character that doesn't exist. The same thing happens with just about every character and situation in this show. Not only is the show bad and mean spirited but everything it's trying to say is completely unrelated to the thing it's trying to satirize.
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no.
Actor-writer (but not comedian) Mindy Kailing.
😂
Scrappy Doo kills Velma and the ending implies her soul will be dragged off to hell.
*The Good Ending*
It's still done a way to imply they could save her soul, just incase they get that 3rd season...moral of the story is don't watch Velma season 2 even for the HATE
and UNLIKE this and last season, there is yet to be a confirmation that Season 3 has already been greenlit.
APATHY TO THIS SEASON IS OUR KEY TO WATCHING THIS VELMA GET DRAGGED INTO HELL
YAY
NO MORE OF THIS SHITSHOW
@@gRinchY-op5vr No, that's not the moral of the story. Shows on streaming services don't earn revenue from ads, watching them doesn't impact "ratings" in the way that conventional television does. Like, if you already have Netflix then you already have given them your money. Wat you watch after doesn't matter. And do you really think people who hate watch the show are watching it legitimately if they don't already have netflix/hbo/whatever? Come on. They're pirating it.
People need to stop blaming hate watching for bad shows on streaming services. That isn't how it works. The monetization of television on them is fundamentally different, and therefor so too are the incentives for those in charge to make more shows/seasons or not.
Scrappy Doo is the true hero of this show
Scrappy was originally created to save the franchise & we made him a villain for it. He carried out his intended mission : saving the franchise & killing Mindy - Velma. He was a hero, villain & a hero once more.
"He was a hero. I just couldn't see it."
In Scooby Doo Apocalypse he has a similar redemption arc, I think.
Also, how cool would be an animated series based on Scooby Doo Apocalypse?!
Saving the franchise by sacrificing quality control. Kinda like Fire Emblem: Awakening.
Anything that gets rid of Mindy is 100% okay in my books
@@lalehiandeity1649Hey I loved Awakening, what are you saying? 😭
Remember, HBO Max sat back and watched as the internet gaslit themselves into believing that hate watching led to a second season when, in reality, the cheapskates split a 20 episode season into two seasons so they could pay the crew for one season.
Glad it's been mention
Literally just saw dummies in the comments a couple scrolls up *still* claiming that hate watching will lead to a season 3. Dumb people still haven't learned I guess. As if hate watchers pay and don't pirate it.
way i see it, both are why. they were paid for 2 seasons, and the hate watching ended up making the situation even worse
@@KuroAceVT How? The "second" season was happening no matter what. And it clearly didn't help this season because they barely promoted it. I only knew about it because of a tweet stating that this and Knuckles were airing on the same day, which was wrong because Velma aired the day before Knuckles.
@@redbigun simple. If the first season got low views it could send a message that hey, maybe making every single character a narcissistic asshole isn’t a good thing, and force them to make the show less bad. Notice i said less bad, not good. We’re talking about what’s possible, not miracles
It's funny how people asume hate-watching implies buying a suscription to watch the show in an official manner instead of, you know, doing it through piracy.
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever paid money to hate-watch. Even if I already had a subscription for the things I actually like.
Or just watching people trash it in reviews which is more fun than watching the show itself.
Shame! I can't believe you would condone using sites like kimcartoon which offer HD episodes for free sometimes on the same release day and work great even with an adblocker.
i did the same thing with megamind rules. i ain’t paying for a subscription to watch that garbage. i pirated it
I've seen copers trying to say that even pirating the show helped it when the entire point of a show being on streaming is to get more people interested in subscribing to the platform. I don't think it hurts that much but I also don't think it helps at all.
you know velma sucks when scrappy doo literally went from being despised to beloved through killing velma
I've never really hated Scrappy I don't love him either
Too be fair, they tried to redeem Scrappy over the years and making him killing Indian Velma is his total redemption arc.
maybe this whole series exists only to redeem Scrappy and that was the plan all along
At least when Scrappy was originally made they were just trying to make a funny cartoon puppy, and even if he ended up being kind of annoying at least he looks kind of cute. Everything in Velma looks and feels like it was made purely out of cynical spite and disgust.
@@Omnywrench and ironically, Scrappy-Doo ended up saving the franchise, as he was made especifically to bring new life to it (which was in decline at that time).
the reason why there was a season 2 is not because people watched the first one, its far worse actually
Warner can ¨commission¨ the artists for a season of 20 episodes, then cut it into 2 seasons of 10 episodes, but without having to pay the animators any extra money, as extra seasons cost extra money
season 1 and 2 was commissioned as 1 entire season and it was to exploit the people that animated this show
I heard that Kite Man Hell Yeah was supposed to be one season with 20 episodes, but that was split into two seasons with 10 episodes each.
Velma was such a despicable being even her creator killed her, with the most disliked character of the franchise.
Creator? Nah this was the actual artists forced to work this self insert ego trip
*second most disliked character of the franchise.
wasn't scrappy doo not that hated up until the live action scooby movie
Killed her, and then implied she ought to be dragged straight to hell.
They inwardly know that she's irredeemable scum. I'm not even a christian and I concur!
@@SireForseti I think it was a meme because, at the time he was introduced, he kind of saved Scooby from what I can recall. They needed a new idea at the time to keep people interested in the IP and adding in someone that was pretty much the complete opposite of Scooby himself as a foil made for new ways to react to encounters with "monsters".
Making Thorn, a middle-aged mother, when she is implied to be slightly older than the Scooby gang, makes me think that someone wanted to justify their random nobody OC.
Seeing a British man wearing a Scooby Doo suit, and staring off vacantly into the distance sums up the feeling of watching this trainwreck.
And it's still a little bit hot. OK, more than a little bit. Just me? I'm OK with that.
Imagine they did a Buffy animated seiries.
What's weird is that a lot of Mindy Kaling's own life contradicts the shows "humor." She was not born to privlage (just had 2 hardworking parents), but she became rich and successful. Her longest relationship was with a straight white man, as were all of her main love interests on her TV show. She is raising her 2 children in her family's faith (Hinduism). And she is an admitted fan of romantic comedies as well as cheesy teen vampire romance franchises. So her animated counterpart passionately talking about only being sucsessful by coming from wealth, hating white men, religion (and all religious people) being stupid, and cynically taking down romance tropes... all of that is NOT what she actually believes. So it feels like she just did all of that to seem "cool" and "edgy" which is MORE cringe.
Velma in season 1 started off being a worse character than Scrappy Doo, a character that mystery incorporated made disses at. Velma season 2 then redeemed Scrappy Doo by having him kill Velma.
Never thought that such instances would become reality, but here we are.
Scrappy
Character arch of the fucking millennium.
I'm a sucker for a good redemption arc.
This isn't one of those by virtue of it being featured in Velma.
Mystery incorporated was just joking
Was Scrappy-Do then instantly redeemed before the credits rolled by removing a mask and revealing that he wasn’t REALLY Scrappy-Do, but was instead the show creators rampant sense of self-hatred and broad-spectrum victim complex doing Scrappy-Do cosplay?
Instead of, "I have no mouth and I must scream," when you watch Velma it's a case of, "I have eyes and I must scream."
What a terrible day to have eyes, and be a Scooby Doo fan, and be a sentient human being. WHY is there a season two?? The horror...
I have eyes and they bleed
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream About Velma
No voice to cry suffering, huh?
I literally just found out about that short story !!
@@chinemapictures when I read that passage about hate I legitimately got goosebumps. I was only 9 and the protagonists fate haunted me for months.
Luckly I discovered Mr. Ellison in my 16's. And not at 8 ot 9 like I discovered Edgar Allan Poe.@@Gwyllgi
That game always creeped me out
The writers seem to think that adult animation/comedy == "everyone is an a-hole".
Hopefully, Velma's failure will make future comedy writers understand that you only need one a-hole in those shows if not none, Lower Decks managed with none.
Um... You never watched Lower Decks because that show is pants and the lead character is a spoilt asshole.
It is such a weird trend. Yes, Rick and Morty was (And still is) incredibly popular while having some of the most selfish, egocentric and awful characters ever put to screen. But despite that they are still likeable! They aren't likeable because they are assholes, they are likeable despite being assholes.
Their terrible traits are seen as just that. Terrible. It isn't being glorified nor written as the only way to be funny for adults (Despite what some people seem to believe..but those people also believed that Homelander was the hero in "The Boys" so yeah)
Having assholes in a show is alright, but it actually needs to be character flaws not the whole freaking character...
Mr Birchum
@@bibbobella Exactly, an asshole can be likeable if the narrative treats their flaws like actual flaws.
Honestly, the cast of Family Guy is a lot better than the cast of Velma, and RWBY
The problem with the Velma/Daphne relationship is not that they are gay or that it couldn't work somewhere else, It is that it is poorly written and they have no chemistry in this show. Also judging from how they said lesbian kissing as hot in the first season, it seems more like a fetish rather than a real attempt at writing a real relationship. I have seen well written gay relationships in cartoons before, it's just that they treated them like any other romantic partner and they make no big deal about it. This Show insists upon itself.
Mission Hill has a gay romance that is ten billion times better than “this”.
One of the key components is not focusing on queerness as taboo in the fantasy genre. Gritty movie trying to make social commentary or being historically accurate to the marginalization gay people face? sure. But cartoon yoowoo land of absurdity doesn’t need to shoehorn in lesbians like they are absurd
Not only that but the context of the rest of the writing it comes across as disrespectful to gay relationships as being something wacky and edgy
@@valx7586not to mention shitting on the queerness in previous legitimate iterations of scooby doo, Velma was a lesbian in Mystery Incorporated but the girl who she ends up dating (though they werent allowed to explicitly say i think) is an interesting character of her own. Daphne and Fred are a whole thing, i think they’re cute together, so using her to ship with Velma seems really contrived, there’s a world where it could work but not with the writers of “Velma” thats for sure
@@AnEmu404Yeah, it still sucks that the network wouldn't let them openly say she and Marcie (Hot Dog Water) were in a relationship, but the writers have been VERY open about that being canon and their intention- Anyway I keep coming back to Mystery Incorporated, it's such a genuinely great show and still holds up imo agh
The funny thing about Scrappy-Doo was that he was the sole reason why Hanna-Barbera ended up making profit when views on their Scooby-Doo show began to dwindle and they were losing money. Scrappy was basically their answer
Yeah, it's not Velma. That's just Mindy Kaling the animated version. Their only difference is, Mindy SA's her costars and blackmails staff members. Other than that, it's pretty much identical.
I still can't believe, she admitted it and that was no backlash.
@@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414There was SOME backlash, just not enough, and not from the industry, where it really would've mattered- How the hell do people get away with repeatedly sexually harassing their coworkers when that should just straight-up get them, like, blacklisted from the entire business??
@@skin_lizard
Yeah, I feel sorry for the victims, Mindy kaling is a absolute hypocrite, but somehow feels she's worthy of lecturing us.
Weinsteins assistant is currently making a Star Wars show despite the obvious, Hollywood must be chock full of such people since you seemingky find one around every corner these days...
My cynical guess is, she isn't a crusty old white man, so nobody raised a stink.
It's officially been canceled! No Season Three! We can all rest easy now.
By the way Scrappy was already redeemed in the Scooby Doo Apocalypse comics where he starts off as a literal psychopath then over the story grows into a hero willing to sacrifice himself for the people he hated
Now *that* is an example of a mature Scooby Doo spin-off done right, unlike this shitshow.
Lmao why is that a thing?
@@Sue_Me_TooCause Scooby-doo is about 60 + years old if I remember correctly. It’s like when the Archie comics did a zombie apocalypse
@@FatCatSnugglesI'm sorry the Archies did a what?
@@SpoopySquidYeah no modern Archie is weird, they also did a Predator crossover, that Predator
I think my problem with Thorn being in the show is
1. She really has no point other than being Amber's mom story-wise. And even then, she still could've been replaced with an original character anyway but we know why she wasn't
2. Because this show has a lot of spite for its IP for some reason, she was added to specifically tick off the Mystery Inc. fans by adding her anyway. Which too bad for them, she looks gorgeous as an older woman anyway (seriously guys it could've been worse)
3. The Hex Girls were around the same age as the rest of the gang and yet she's older than them in the origin story
Like- make it make some sense at least
scrappy killing velma is the best part of this 'thing'
Up there with Mindy getting run over by the cops from last season
Its just a long con to redeem scrappy
"Velma turns into a ghost"
Isn't the whole appeal of Scooby-Doo that all the monsters *aren't* real? Like, yes, there are a few cares where there are actual monsters, but 99% of them turn out to be angry rich people.
I'm not the biggest Scooby-Doo Fan, I just find Velma hot. The old one, I mean. But this show just kinda feels like it is actively doing everything that isn't Scooby-Doo related or the inverse of it. Like they're ashamed of it being Scooby-Doo.
the extended "i have no mouth and i must scream" reference got me
SAME LMAOOO i was looking for this comment
I noticed the formatting of the intro title and was like "wait isn't that..." and then he did the monologue and I went "okay it is."
_Then_ he did the surprised faces on the monolith and I _fucking lost it._
NO SAME
I was watching the original upload of this before it got taken down and I was losing my shit 😭😭
I literally just discovered "I have no mouth and I must scream" about a week ago, this intro was perfect!
I knew I felt something familiar about the text at the beginning and I love how you added in their faces!
Wish Velma don't get season 3/(or ACTUAL season 2), so it ends on cliffhanger where Velma is fucking dead.
Given how bad the marketing and Viewership was, yeah i agree
Because of the cliffhanger saids by Halloween i think it will be a Halloween special that they will call a movie.
And is dragged to hell
Good news
The writer’s room probably only added Amber to the cast to try and shake off Mindy Khaling’s TERF allegations.
It would be nice if she’s actually learned & grown but I still highly doubt it.
As I was watching this video I had been thinking, "You know, this show's got some really weird gender essentialism (all men are inherently like THIS and all women are inherently like THAT and that's just nature) going on, and that plus the weird focus on genitals is giving off major TERF warning bells" so... guess that failed.
someone needs to tell the writers that your main character acting like an arsehole 24/7 is not actually a funny joke and in-fact it just makes them incredibly unpopular
Shows like Velma and Santa Inc really make me wonder. Has there ever been a show, that follows the format of "absolutely terrible person quotes braindead sociopolitical Reddit posts for absolutely no reason anytime they're challenged or provoked", that was actually liked? Like, is that a format that's ever worked even once, let alone enough times to justify trying it multiple times? When do the toddlers writing these shows realize the square peg just doesn't fit the round hole?
Why I also stopped watching family guy a long time ago.
They’ll probably say “talk to the hand ‘cus the face don’t want to listen”
@ScrambledAndBenedict There is. 2 big examples in fact. South Park and Always Sunny in Philadelphia. How do they work? For one, they know how to tell jokes, two, the jerks receive karma for their terrible actions.
@@hecklejack7726 south park recognises that cartman is an asshole though and it does have good characters to act as a foil, this show treats velma like she's a genius
The thing that personally annoys me about Velma’s hypocrisy is that it could actually be really interesting if explored. I’m sure we all know people that cry “eat the rich” but deep down would disagree HARD the second they are the rich. Some of us might even be that person. And I can’t really think of any media that have explored that kind of character.
It’s a shame that I genuinely can’t tell if the writers realize she’s like this.
I kind of hate that the animation actually isn't bad or ugly, being an adult animated series, after all. It actually looks nice, with proper lighting and a sharp artstyle. It's really too bad the writing is so chaotic and cynical, even straight-up offensive, and not the fun kind.
Seems the trouble is the inconsistency in the art. You can get some property impressive scenes spliced together with plainly cheap animation
Yeah, just because a cartoon has good animation doesn't mean it's any good, lol. Can't believe such talent In the animation is wasted on this cancerous show.
I also kinda like the designs of the characters, especially Daphne. Sad they're trapped in a shitty show
The cinematography is a bit flat in scenes where it's just a sort of sitcom, but otherwise, yeah. It can be pretty decent animation.
I hate how all the characters have the same tone of voice. They deliver the same types of "self aware" lines and the same smug sarcasm. In well written shows all the characters talk differently. If you turn on My Little Pony: FIM Rarity would talk very differently than Pinky Pie, etc.
On Hatewatching. THIS. I'm so glad someone finally said this. Hatewatching is not sustainable despite how loud people may be about it because they're always a minority of viewers.
It's so hard to get friends or anyone into a show nowadays. A large majority of people are just not going to sit through something that's bad. And I'm guessing most people hating on the show are engaging with it through media reviews so there is even less need to go seek out bad content.
I would even suggest that watching and poking fun at bad media isn't really hatewatching if you're having fun doing so, especially in the company in others.
Hell between lack of time and decreasing attention spans it can be hard to convince your friends to get into a GOOD show. I have yet to meet someone irl that has seen Entourage, The Leftovers or the Fargo tv series despite me praising those shows constantly to anyone who will listen. Your friends might agree to hatewatch a bad movie so you can have a good laugh at it for a couple of hours but they're not going to put up with a whole series of that crap.
@@AverageWagie Right on, I have ZERO tolerance for bad shows and I will stop watching the moment I find something thats bad or stupid. Also there is nothing worse than a show that doesnt know when to stop. Then again neither does modern movies with slasher/horror films having to clock in at a minimum of 120 minutes, like the movie X that has over an hour of filler material or Saw X thats nearly 2 hours long. Compare this to lets say The Texas chainsaw massacre (1974) that has a runtime of 83 minutes and not a single filler moment.
There's also a massive difference between watching a b movie and a "b TV" show. Bad movies are usually 90 minutes at most and then it's over, watching an entire shitty TV show is too much
What I hate (though I understand if people don't know) is that the cop that was killed in this season was a reference to Don Knotts. Former deputy on the Andy Griffith show. The design is so extremely close to what the actor looks like that I feel it's not a coincidence. Don Knotts was also a guest on one of the very first Scooby doo shows (though I have forgotten which one at the moment.) So to me who is actually a fan of his work, I'm more insulted that they portrayed a deceased actor this way. I know, I know, it's more the character really, but something about that still insults me somehow...
Starting off with the I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream reference. Pretty apt for Velma
I've learned that the titular character, Mind- I mean Velma, represents each of the 7 Deadly Sins.
The fact that they used Scrappy & not *actual* Scooby Do "Bc We CoUlDn'T mAkE a TaLkInG dOg FuNnY"/Warner Bros. rightfully didn't want him to be soiled on by the show is kinda ironic - & not bc Scrappy was any good originally.
the "we're doing a breakfast club," joke really seems like it was taken from that rick and morty episode where they kept saying, "we're doing a die hard."
HBO thought that introducing Kardashians' and Jersey Shore's shallow, vapid, bitchiness was what we wanted.
HBO doesn't understand Scooby Doo, its characters, and its fans.
Velma's So EVIL, Even Charlie Doesn't Want To Redeem That Demon.
Y'know what's sad? I just recently rewatched the first SpongeBob SquarePants movie which came out in 2004 and cost $30 million to make. That films animation still REALLY holds up, and it somehow manages to be funny, while bridging the gap between child like humor and being JUST adult enough for people my age to still laugh at. And those laughs are 150% earned.
According to as much research as I cared to do, Velma might have cost around $20 million for a single season. And it's not only going to age like milk, but it's already dated in 2024.
How did we get here?
I would love to know the answer to that too.
Studios want quick shows that they can cash on. Quality doesn't matter, replayability doesn't matter. Just get eyes on it, make money, and move on
Some of the jokes were dated by the time they were even put in the show lol
We hire on nepotistic criteria rather than merit, mainly. Doesn't matter whether the nepotism is you are the boss' kid or whether it's your skin color and sexuality, if your not hired for competence then you have no incentives to be competent, and people that are are more likely to be offended at you wanting them as a token then they are to take the job knowing you don't care about their credentials but you just want a black lesbian to brag about how diverse your hiring practices are, so you end up with no talent narcissists like Kahling instead. Moral of the story, don't make nepotism an institutional part of your hiring practices, peoples arbitrary characteristics should be completely irrelevant to their job prospects.
Besides the budget, there are so many things different between a movie production and a show from the production point of view.
I agree Velma looks ugly but there is no relation between the budget and how it looks
I'm an atheist, but not a Reddit atheist.
Seriously, though, the writers of Velma don't even write any clever jokes about religion or atheism. It's just "Hey, I'm an atheist. BELIEVE IT!"
all the jokes about religion in this show is just “god isn’t real” and “religion is a cult”
@@ninjafrog6966 Those things are true, though.
Still, the show isn't even clever with those jokes.
As long as we don't watch Velma on HBO Max, there's a possibility that the next season might never happen.
So if the show gets cancelled, then Velma gets truly game-ended by Scrappy Doo in Hell. That's one way to end a toxic character.
Edit: And at long last, the show is officially cancelled! I WAS RIGHT!!
I would love for this to be the last season to this shit show lmfao. Velma just gets killed by Scrappy Doo and drug into hell.
Sadly, the show's creator will probably ask her parents to use their connections to greenlit a third season. That was how she got into college, never worried about debt and immediately got into acting. Her parents pulled some strings so we're getting a third season and Mindy doesn't care as long as she continues working on her vanity project.
No, hate watching doesn't give the show more chance at more seasons. That isn't how streaming services work, they don't earn money off of advertisements which care about viewer count. Also you know people can pirate TV shows right? People can hate watch Velma on other websites than HBOmax.
@@curosaber Until one executive just doesn't care about how much money is being shoved into their face and shoves the ratings back into their face in the most corporate way to tell someone to kick rocks.
The ending of this video basically implied that they're already done with Velma and are not planning on continuing it. That's how most animated shows work now - it's just one season and then you move on to the next one.
After the "I have no mouth and I must scream" reference at the beginning, I now kinda want to see a fan animation of Cynical Reviews trapping the characters of Velma in a vast underground labyrinth and torturing them in a variety of horrible and imaginative ways...
All the middle age men using smart watches i know do it for medical reasons: either diabetus and/or heart problems. So yeah... YOU SHOWED THEM, VELMA!
But I'm not middle aged or a man. Huh.
I use mine to keep track of steps because my ADHD ass can't be motivated otherwise.
@hannahhengler.2585 yeah, I use it for steps and to monitor my sleep just for health purposes.
Yeah, most people who use smart watches nowadays use it to help monitor something health related, even if it's just steps. :/
@@hannahhengler.2585 That reminds me. I need to make an appointment with one of them brain doctor types.
I'm an audio engineer and do post here and there so my guess is that the show didnt have enough money to get people recording in studios so they got less important characters just record at home.
And whoever mixed the audio either didnt know how to clean it up or the VO did it themselves
You know what's even worse than this show...the fact that Velma season 2, isn't actually season 2. It was originally supposed to be a part of season 1. Warner Bros, didn't want to pay their animators more money for a full season, so they broke it up and split the episodes marketing as two seasons
I'm surprised that making 2 x 10 episodes is that much cheaper than making 20 episodes. Surely there's the same amount of work involved? It's not like the two "seasons" were being made at the same time and so they were paid extra to get it done faster, but the second half was just released a year later.
Maybe time related deadlines made it more expensive but i wouldn't know
same thing wifht sonic prime and cuphead, both made by netflix
@@laurendearnley9595the cheaper part about it is that they don't have renegotiate contracts(raises) for the employees since they automatically signed on to do season 2 when they did season 1
From what I’ve heard, Kite Man Hell Yeah was also split into two seasons with 10 episodes each.
At least the series is finally making people realize how overdone all the Scrappy Doo dunking has been. That joke has gone stale over a decade or two ago.
Now if only better done Scooby Doo media finally brings him back and does more with him than "Hey, people hate Scrappy on the internet, right? We're so in tune!"
imagine making an adult animated scooby doo and not making shaggy a pothead
I got a commercial for a stupid solar powered car
Is that any better?
Not only not making Shaggy a pothead, but also repeatedly having the Shaggy standin make fun of potheads
8:39 Haven’t seen Velma, but I actually appreciate when streaming shows include recaps before episodes, even when the whole season comes out at once. I don’t usually binge shows, so it’s nice to have that option. The Dragon Prince does that too, and Fallout did
How to Ruin Someones Day in 20 Seconds.
Tell them that Velma got a Season 2, and then remind them about Blue Waffle.
Thanks Caddicarus
How to save that person day in 20 seconds tell them that it's more like season 1 part 2 and that Velma actually dies in the end.
I'd find more joy in learning about Blue Waffles in grave detail, over having to listen to Velma's manipulative ass cuz the writers thought "abuse is funny"
As someone who’s written fan fiction, I can’t help but genuinely feel like calling this garbage fan fiction is an insult to the craft.
(Not saying my Darth Maul fic on Deviantart was a masterpiece, but I can bet anyone can agree that I did a much better job at representing the source material than this!)
Whatever you wrote, I hate it. But it's better than this garbage.
The most Ironic part about this show is how I actually found Fred (the character that the writers spent the most humiliating) the most likable character and pretty funny within the first season and episode 1 of season 2....
I might need to go to the doctor after this...😐
0:18 A I have no mouth, and I must scream reference.
WOOO I love how this has blown up in recent months
I wasn’t watching the screen while you did the opening monologue and somehow I still knew you were doing “I Have No Mouth and I must Scream”.
Well, even though Be Cool, Scooby Doo's art style isn't what it used to be, the show has followed one important rule: following the premise's formula.
Showcasing Monster of the Week, The Gang gets information of the monster, gets a mystery on their hands, they spot the creature (or the creature spots them), chase sequence ensues with music, cooking up an illaborate trap while coaxing Shaggy and Scooby with Scooby Snacks, monster falls to the trap and gets unmasked, they explain why and how the villain do these foul deeds with costumes/remote controlled robots/special effects, the bad guy explains why they do this and gets send to jail, and they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for the Meddling Kids and their dog, Scooby Doo
All in this order.
That line Fred had about the church teaching him attack spells was unhinged enough it got a laugh out of me.
That's not a bragging right for a comedy show, because it missed everything else.
I think that the "attack speels" one is funny. Like it makes people chuckles but that's all
This show tried so hard to be like the Ghost Stories dub, it's genuinely sad.
The Ghost Stories dub is peak, it's gold. Velma is the exact opposite.
@@Phoebe5448 My point exactly.
Time to redeem Scrappy doo.
Scooby doo was going to be cancelled in late 1970s due to low ratings so they changed the formula with scrappy and having shorter episodes and it worked.
The 80s made for TV movies like Ghoul school are among my favourite from the entire franchise and scrappy is a great character.
I still don’t understand the Scrappy hate. Did he get a bit annoying at times? Yes. But he wasn’t even close to the worst character that the Scooby universe created. Apparently it was a tie between Scrappy and Riff Raff, again not that bad of a character. Though I have seen people say it was racist but quite frankly people need to stop looking at the past through modern shades.
Anyway, Scrappy was a fun character for the time and definitely not the worst character ever and I dislike that they constantly use him as a villain. That was not how he was portrayed and really that’s just them catering to the fanbase that dislikes him.
I will have to give Velma one thing. It made everyone realize that Scrappy was never the worst character.
You also have to remember, as much as people didn't like working with the character (and Joe and Bill also hated him), the actual hatedom as we know it was manufactured by Warner themselves. And everyone, from the franchise's crew to fans, just jumped on the bandwagon. Especially with the unflattering depictions and jokes in '02 and MI intensifying things.
It's also worth noting that Scooby-Dum was a much worse character and unlike Scrappy, has not even gotten acknowledged, even negatively, since his initial appearances. Which may have helped perpetuate the Scrappy hate.
It's poetic that Scrappy saved the franchise twice: once in the 1970's, and again in 2024.
When I heard there was a second season of this show, I just went "You know what? This just doesn't spark joy." And ever since I've done my best to ignore it as hard as possible.
Not really a second season, just a split season
We live in a timeline where an amazing show like Firefly gets canceled after one Season and somehow Velma gets a second Season. I hate it here.
It didn't get a second season, they cut one season in two and called it two seasons.
Perhaps even more of a tragedy than that. Firefly was canceled before the first season was even finished airing, and there are some signs that the network didn't even want to do that much given how horribly they scheduled it and mangled the intended broadcast order.
@@corvididaecorax2991 Real talk, I didn't watch Firefly when it first came out, and now I'm too Wheadoned out to enjoy it.
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Honestly I'm not sure Joss Whedon himself is the problem. The people who imitate his supposed style are. He hasn't had anything to do with the MCU since 2015 yet people still seem to blame him for a lot of the current problems it has. In fact he hasn't done anything major recently. His last two projects I can find are the 2017 Justice League movie, which a lot of people contributed to making bad, and a series on HBO I never heard of before I started Googling.
Joss Whedon is very hit-or-miss, but I think he gets a lot of hate for things that really aren't his fault.
It's a "second season" in name only. It's actually the first season still but they cut it in half.
It's a Mr. Krabs-esque way of trying to avoid paying their animators. We only know this because Netflix did this with The Cuphead Show.
That intro was 🔥! "I have no mouth, but I must scream" is an old favorite of mine!
A show like this would be a reason AM would hate humanity, great reference btw
"How could season two possibly be a downgrade of season one? That was a shitshow" I thought, naively at the start of this video, not yet knowing the terrors to come
I've said it once and I'll say it again, it's possible to have a cast of characters who are a bunch of jerks that don't grow or change, for example It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is about a group of narcissistic, sociopathic jerks who try to con a bunch of people (and sometimes each other) for their personal gain. But the reason why it works is not only is the whole point of the show is watching a bunch of narcissists try to con people and (for the most part) fail misably, but the the show is actually funny with great dark humor from writers who know how to handle characters like this
Where Velma fails is because the jokes fail misably at being funny, your just stuck watching a bunch of unfunny and unlikeable assholes be mean to each other while in some cases try to make us 'sympathise' with them. It feels like the show tried to take elements from shows like It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia and BoJack Horsemen, but not only completely missing the point on why they worked in the first place, but also not realising that both shows have completely diffrent tones and writing, with Always Sunny being focus on comedy, while BoJack Horsemen is more focus on giving depth to its characters and exploring darker themes
Edit: I also wanna bring up BoJack as another example on how to write a asshole character but in more dramatic way (I actually made a comment on Cynical's first video about Bojack and why he worked better as a protagonist compare to Velma so I'll try and keep this brief) in short the reason why BoJack works is cause not only is he actually funny when they make jokes with him, but while the writers explain how he became who he was and he does try to improve, they don't use it as an excuse or a way to downplay the awful stuff he does, and his actions actually have consequences for not just him, but the people around him
Yeah, main characters being terrible people works when it's done on purpose. Not so much when you're just a terrible person and accidentally translate that into your crappy self-insert
EXACTLY. There's a difference between shows like It's Always Sunny and Fawlty Towers, where the cast are a bunch of total wankers and the point is to laugh at them, and modern day adult animated shows like Hazbin Hotel (deal with it), Santa Inc. and Velma where everyone is some variety of awful, loud and/or vulgar scumbags whom we're expected to ROOT for.
People have no problem with shows starring terrible people as long as the writers are fully aware of that fact and make the point be on their utter misfortune rather than trying to make them heroes. Spite, Nihilism and Ego is not a good combination.
Give the show some credit for not just forgetting all the brains in jars. Keeping them on as characters and trying to have regular lives is at least somewhat entertaining.
I have no Scoob and I must Doo.
Does that work? Probably not
Congratulations. You're funnier than the entirety of Velma.
So woman didn't get called out for having small boobs or being overweight, yet the male characters got callled out for their sausage size? Thats definitely double standards and sexist
The fact the most disliked scooby doo character killed off the main character
I think we owe scrappy an apology
Just because he killed that b&tch velma
They totally have done and destroyed Gigi - making her barely appear at all in the show. Probably they realized how she is a much better character than any of the main ones.
29:24 Between Madame Web and Velma, 2024 is not a good year for Beyoncé getting referenced in entertainment.
Beyoncé is not taking those royalty checks with grace 💀
you look like that ending scene of midsommar in the thumbnail. which makes sense because watching velma season 2 feels like the equivalent of being paralyzed as everything around you crashes and burns
At least the show ended on the best possible note: Velma dying in a firey explosion and getting sent to hell.
Frank Welker’s first time voicing Fred aired a little less than two months after the first moon landing.
Maybe it’s a good thing Mindy’s not in Inside Out 2.
There may be some good news for Scooby Doo fans in the future. A new series that sounds a bit like the 13 Ghost series called Go-Go Mystery Machine, and it involves both Shaggy and Scooby going to Japan where they wind up unleashing hundreds of mythical creatures. They also released a title card with artwork, and it actually looks pretty decent. It's going for a more anime style, which makes sense, and it looks way better than Velma. It also seems there will be three new characters joining them: a boy, a girl, and their own canine companion. And maybe it's just the style but looks like they aged Shaggy down to maybe his early or middle teens, seeing as he doesn't have the stubble he usually has.
I can compare Velma's character to Gumball from The Amazing World of Gumball. Velma is already an existing character for decades and her character is being bastardized for "mahdern awhdience" and is insufferable now. Gumball is already an asshole but likeable, he loves his girlfriend, and perhaps ultimately based af.
Props to the “I have no mouth, and I must scream” reference
If I could, I would give Scrappy Doo a big kiss for doing what we all wished for to happen in the first Season: Killing Velma.
The show is so inconsistent with who it's trying to offend, that it's impossible to tell if the people behind actually believe in anything, like internet trolls.
Velma is one of those shows that will probably never end. *Sighs*🤦♀️
They cancelled Wil E Coyote vs. ACME but not this!
She at least died, even if she is a ghost.
Oh itll end. Trust me. The way i had no idea that this second season was out was indicative at first. Because when we heard the first season was releasing, there was so much noise
There's going to be a Halloween "movie" which is going to be the equivalent of season three and the series finale.
@@26th_Primarchi wish that the movie ends by velma being judged by all the velmas(from actual Scooby doo shows) and the result is she comeback back to life if she makes a contract to become the series new punching bag.
Referring to Scooby as "The dog" tells me how little they care or love the og show
It's very likeky we'll never get a season 3 given how lackluster the marketing was. Viewership also flopped big time too.
Love that "I have no mouth and I must scream" reference at the start.
It’s beyond me how they greenlit this additional season with the explicit hate.
But in all honesty, hate or love, viewership matters to WB.
If I rememer correctly, this was already greenlit for multiple seasons from the start. Think Star Trek: Disvovery.
Hate was ultimately the driving force behind the pseudo-success of the first season
the deal was struck before the show started. with a good chunk of streamed animated shows, they are normally contracted via making a deal for having x amount of episodes then they split the episodes into x amount of seasons
Thats why DC and all the shows on WB sucks nowadays
Technically, the piece was made as one season as to avoid giving the crew the benefits and bonuses of that having two seasons would garner. Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if they are liable for a lawsuit given the way they went about it sounds borderline illegal.
If you're going to "hate watch" something, wait til long after, or watch it by... other means. Don't give them the views whatsoever. They don't even deserve that.
I love the IHNMAIMS reference at the beginning
Nice touch editing the sprites to look like the Velma gang.
Thanks :D Was a lot of fun making it
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He’s definitely not avoiding those furry allegations. He’s already started hiring from within!
"Maybe solving mysteries with dogs is a mistake."
[Velma shoots Fred a death glare]
There it is. There's the one moment I actually laughed, and it's from them knowing not to have a character say too much or overexplain a joke.
i feel sorry for the scooby fans for this atrocity because us thundercats fans had a brush with thundercats rore
Should've watched the 2011 show then.
Died because of low viewership.
@@icravedeath.1200 i love the 2011 show and i even have wat was released on blu ray to
@@icravedeath.1200 all i needed to see of rore was the trailer and i was like noooo im gona avoid that like that ex friend that tried to stab you
Honestly it's a sad time to be a fan of anything right now. You know that drawing of the Grim Reaper knocking on a door and there's a row of doors with blood coming out of them behind him? It's like that right now. There's just a group of assholes running around tearing apart the landscape and murdering every single beloved franchise they can find.
Star Wars fan here
I’m still recovering from the sequel trilogy
Scrappy, perhaps we treated you too harshly, for you were the hero we needed but didn't deserve.
We all know Velma’s real soulmate is Hotdog Water
Got to the "Hey you, do you like sound?" part of the sponsor segment and then my headphones immediately disconnected
One of my friends likes this show because “it’s so bad it’s good”. I shook my head and replied “no, it’s so bad it’s hard to believe it’s real.”
I loved Scrappy growing up & I always feel bad when people make him a villain or outright ignore his existence...
But I agree Scrappy died a hero in this one. RIP pup.
Was NOT expecting IHNMAIMS intro. Especially one based off the killler point and click
17:45 No, THAT is in fact better for everybody, if Velma doesn't reproduce everyone's life will be better
The fact that Warner Brothers thought that we wanted this show instead of the Batgirl movie that was basically done is a hate crime
Batgirl was also very unpopular.
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And so was Velma, but that show kept on trucking...
My idea of their excuse:
Tax writeoff
It's even worse than that. Batgirl was trashed for the tax write-off, not because it wouldn't have been popular
Absolutely nobody wants or asked for a bat girl movie
@@thequinlanshow3326 You're telling me you don't want a movie with Brendan Fraser as the villain? Something must be wrong.
I wonder how once again nobody suspected Velma of being behind the murders of middle aged white men. She has literally been ranting about hating them and feeling no empathy for them to anyone in the hearing range. If there was even a sliver of logical thinking in the show, Velma would be the prime suspect -- like, seriously, it would be stupid to know what she says and how she acts and not to bring her in for questioning.
Just reminder this show survive awhile other animated shows and movies got a tax right off. We truly live in the worse timeline.
I was not expecting this video to open with a pastiche of "I have no mouth and I must scream", yet here we are!
I think a combination of knowing we were getting another block of episodes (technically not a second season they just ordered extra episodes and paid for 1 season) and the stupidity jumps the shark you just go numb rather than wonder why they wanted to do Scooby to begin with. Writing and jokes are still awful and characters are all over the place, but it's not quite as bad as the first reveal they hated their audience.
They probably didn't want Scooby Doo. They probably wanted to do their own adult style teen drama thing like Riverdale but no one would greenlight it. But WB was looking to do something new with Scooby Doo and Mindy+Pals decided to re-pitch their idea as a Scooby Doo adaptation. That's what I think happened.
@Shenaldrac It would explain why all of the characters feel so unrelated to any other iterations of these characters. Like people have pointed out that Fred is pretty bland in the earlier Scooby Doo series, but I've never heard anyone complain he's a bully or toxic or anything. So Velma is satirizing a version of this character that doesn't exist. The same thing happens with just about every character and situation in this show. Not only is the show bad and mean spirited but everything it's trying to say is completely unrelated to the thing it's trying to satirize.