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- A look at some of the problems created where none existed - all because of this thing!
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At age 18 I wanted to be a minister so I took the summer to read the Bible. At the end of the reading this thing I discovered I was no longer Christian, nor Jew. I embarked on a search for the true religion. In my three score and fifteen trips around the sun I have yet to find it.
"If you want to become Atheist, read the Torah."
George Steele - I see you have more humanity than most, and the courage to stick with it. I'm anti-god, so its existence is fairly irrelevant to me.
The lack of a clear definition for what is 'God', the idea such an entity would require to be worshiped, and that a few gods want to torture you is more than enough proof of its non-existence.
The God of the Bible is surely one thing no-one should worship or believe in, even if the Universe was crazy enough for Yahweh to be real.
Same here. I stopped being Catholic once I read the Catholic Bible.
At first I disagreed with you, but then I heard the 534th ding, and that changed my mind.
Thank you, Mr. Diety!
Viced Rhino Persistence works, Bitches!!!
The way you refer that thing as "THAT THING" gives me shivers! 💖 💖 💖
A very well presented dissertation on the subject. I mention your channels to everyone I can.
What's scary is that more and more mainstream religions (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and of course the Catholic Church--but the Baptists are down with it too) are openly talking Satan! Demons! Evil forces! Witches!! and of course these are all linked semantically and often directly with Liberals! Socialists! Atheists! Feminists!
Which I link to, "If you can make people believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities."
Those Bastards...
Wow, Brian, so much animosity towards that service bell!
Oh, that wasn't the thing? My bad.
Hahahaha!
You just force me to repeat myself, I have ran out of new word to show my admiration of your channel.
I didn't know that this channel did book reviews. He forgot to tell us how many stars he would give it.
Thanks Brian! Perfect.
Fear still works, always will 😵
Excellent. Powerful. Inspirational.
Richard Bruning Glad you liked it.
"Dr. Bombay!" haha, Excellent presentation, as usual, thanks.
I don't agree with the Catholic Church on much of anything, but the medieval one had a point when they didn't just let ANYONE read the Bible.
A good argument, Mr. Dalton, but it could be misinterpreted as making the case against reading the Bible. Let's be clear about this. Most gods that humanity has believed in have, at one time or another, had books written about them, the reading of which, often, have _not_ made people believers. What's more, every atheist who was, at one time, a theist, somewhere in the course of their deconversion, rigorously examined the literature about the gods in question. There are atheists in history who were deconverted by _censorship,_ but _most_ have been deconverted by _reason._ This is why it is so important to make note of the _contradictions_ in the Bible.
The problem is _not_ the Bible, itself. It's a _legitimate, literal acceptance_ of what's in the Bible. A Christian remains a Christian by holding all _other_ religions in the world to a standard of evidence that is so high, _no_ religion could reach it, while holding _Christianity_ to a standard of evidence that is so ridiculously _low,_ no religion could _fail_ to meet it. This is why about 95% of religious belief is attributed to the accident of birth.
lazyperfectionist1 All very good points. Thanks for taking the time.
IMO, people are _not_ generally evil. IMO, humanity has evolved as a social species to value cooperation and social behavior and to at least mitigate antisocial behavior. We have a natural tendency to see social behavior as good and antisocial behavior as evil, and though we all have some antisocial tendencies, we tend to be more social overall, else society has a whole would fail much easier. If we look at statistics, it tends to be a relatively small subset of people that tend to commit most of the evil/antisocial acts.
As this relates to the bible, it isn't the bible per we that makes men more evil, it is the combination of what the bible commands along with deep social indoctrination of youth to accept and obey the bible that is the main problem. This is religion in a nutshell, indoctrination of unjustified beliefs which then shapes behavior. Unfortunately, the bible and its abrahamic faiths, have a particularly antisocial holy book, so the indoctrinated belief in those faiths is more destructive in practice than some others. All in all, the underlying issue, IMO, is that religion and other dogmatic ideologies adopt terrible epistemology and abandon critical thought. This makes it much easier for generally good, social people to do evil, antisocial things in the name of their cherished, indoctrinated core beliefs.
Picture quality looks fantastic.
Thanks. I shoot the same exact way each time. But I'm always playing around with the grading just for shits and giggles. These cameras are so good now, that it's actually difficult to get a bad image if you know even the slightest thing about shooting.
Wow, that is a long 'chime' sound.
That's what she said.
She very well may have!
skepticallypwnd She did. I was there.
I love, love, love your videos. Keep them coming. How are you feeling? I just recently found out about you, I believe it was Phil Ferguson, that mentioned you. You crack me up with your wit! Thanks!
Common sense and critical thinking are missing in religion.
I encourage people to read the bible -sane people only!- by themselves, with no one telling them what this or that passage means. Very important, because what a person says about this or that passage depends on their religion, their opinions... Think for yourself! Reading all those cruel and ridiculous parts that churches are uncomfortable with does occasionally open people's eyes. In my Jehovah's Witless days we're told that reading the bible without their literature to aid in understanding was very, very dangerous! I wish I was more reckless as a kid.
Phoenix Knight Same goes for the Koran.
That was a nice Dave "The Snake" Sabo (Skid Row guitarist) reference there 😉
We got to get rid of that thing.
Mr. Deity, you are so good at this. I'm a fairly new sub, but wow, I love your expressions, and mentions of Hitch, Harris, Dawkins and so on. And don't forget, they kill men for witchcraft, too. Any 'magic'! Love and Peace
Laura Jarrell Thanks so much. Nice to have you on board. And so glad you’re enjoying the videos! More are on the way!
I chose the Infallible Omnipresent Omniscient Coin Toss :
Heads I'm an atheist
Tails I'm a Christian
Lands on its side Satanist
Who doesn't like head???
Back in 2004 I was working a production of "Bell, Book, and Candle" the main entrance to the theater was threw an Ice Cream parlor that shared the building with us but was under different mangment. The lady who ran the parlor at that time refused to open her doors for the theater because she was convinced that witches were real. We had to let people in threw the employee entrance. She's the only person I've ever met with the belief that Hogwarts was actually a real place and I'm just thinking she's a wack job who lives her life in a fantasy world... and this comming from a wack job that thought he was a Power Ranger for three years. I know what it's like to have no concept of reality. That lady, as well as anyone else who believes in the existence of a magic sky daddy need a recommendation for a good psychiatrist.
Great video! Keep up the important work. And resist!
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
Albert Einstein
Thanks Mr D! Truth again!
Mr D amazing video as always, such heavy topics you tackle.
Just one thing though, I didn't get the last joke, anyone care to explain it please?
Dr. Bombay was a character on the sixties sitcom "Bewitched", he was a doctor for witches. Sam was the main character and Endora was her mother
@Michael Crawford Thanks man, now I get it! He ended the vid with a witch burning joke! :D
Should anyone be surprised that the Christian god is being inexorably pushed into the graveyard of past gods? It's where he belongs.
That deity is discommended. ...
Sadly witch persecution is still a thing in west & central africa and PNG, and yeah it's driven by this thing.
They were persecuting witches there long before they ever read any of the bible. Their concept of witchcraft still has more in common with what their heathen ancestors believed about them than with what either Western Christians or Ancient Hebrews did. It just so happens that it is easy for people to latch on to bible verses which reinforce elements of their culture when they want to justify what they were already doing.
There are people who don't realise that the bible contradicts itself. It was not till I started watching yt that I heard the term inspired words of god. I was told the bible was the words of a god.
You're one of those mythological atheists that Jack Chick always wrote his tracts about. Weird.
2:16 «they are still in full medieval mode»
Never go full medieval.
Well said, Sir.
l do believe you were 'channeling' the Hitch there near the end.
Good stuff sir
Ya know where Sam got her looks.... and Endora was a tough bitch!!! ;-)
This s just THE BEST video. Thanks so much!!!!
I know this is way off topic, but was wondering if you've read the "Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood or are following the great adaption of it in series format on Hulu presently, and if so, your thoughts, and if NOT, why the hell not?
All so very right and bright, Mr. D.
But we need to reach out to those, who read and believe this "thing".
Why not think of a video, that I could forward to believers - to subconsciously start affecting them?
logmethekcufin I thought that's what I'd been doing for the last ten years. D'oh!!!
Hmmm... maybe I have a wrong impression.
But just as a litmus test: how do your former mormon "friends" react to your magnificent work?
Those people ought to be affected, don't they?
Watch the new version (or the old version, or read the book) The Handmaid's Tale, for a look at how Western theocracy could be in the near future.
it is true give people a religious book and a lack of education society becomes crazy i think it is why many religions get uneasy around science. thinking about it after leaving religion for years it would be bloody awful if it was all true Imagine existing for infinity sounds like a nightmare.
A lot of witches were male. The German word for "witch" is "Hexe" and it's female. Just like "cat" is "Katze". A cat can be of male sex even though the German word for any cat is of female gender. There's a word for female cats, but it's the same and there's a word for male cats. The same is true for Hexe / Hexe / Hexer. This is actually very confusing and just makes no sense. But this is probably the reason why so many think a witch is always female. In Iceland 20 out of 21 executed witches were male.
Depends on the time, language changes. No? Go further back, Old Norse has division; varð-lokkur for warlock (male) and völva for witch (female). Not sure if they were seen the same or just one word became more popularized over time.
misterdeity Good stuff, but a bit more...strident...than I'm used to from you. At least based on mr. deity and your mormonstories episode (which I just watched yesterday). Has something in particular happened lately to cause this? Just wondering.
Could it be argued that this thing, is the masterpiece of the demiurge?
Oh, I know, I know, there is no fun allowed around here at all......
Dr Bombay as in the musical act?
Well said.
#WellSaid 💯
Could you mark this or some other video of yours as a response video to some of jordan petersons bullshit?
Even though he believes that nothing that is written in the bible is literally true, he stills thinks it is good and important to "act christian". It annoys me and he provides cover for the "real" christians who take "this thing" seriously.
Keep on keep'n on brother! Evangelize away! Oh, and the first Daren was the best, IMHO.
OH DEAR GOD THE PRINTING PRESS IS TO BLAME!!! Burn the PRESSES!!!!
I need more cowbell.
How many times did you check your Facebook app during this video?
Zero
So it is cosa nostra, this thing of ours.Guess who the capo de tutti capi is.
Does anyone know of any instance in which Bewitched was criticized by religious groups for promoting witchcraft? It happened to Harry Potter, but I can find no mention of such a thing happening to the tv show.
John Michael Strubhart back when I was growing up, my baptist paternal grandmother would attack bewitched, so would my Catholic mother & priest at our church. Whether it was an actual "thing" I don't know, I was a child. I can only speak to what the religious adults were saying to me at the time.
I had an aunt who frowned on us kids watching it, but she was that way about any nonreligious entertainment. I don't ever recall an official condemnation of the show from any church though.
I don't know about religious groups, but when I was a kid, our preacher actually mentioned it in a sermon.
Apparently, my memory of those complaints must exist entirely in my mind, because Google returns nothing, no matter what terms I use. All I can get is reviews of the show.
Or, is Google putting their thumb on the scale, yet again?
John Michael Strubhart Bewitched came out before the development of the Christian right dominionist movement appeared and turned American Christianity into a political group, obsessed with political power and, of course, money.
It would be very useful for believers to actually read the book they pretend to live by and to delve into the history of when and how the book was written. It is all myths about the Jews. The book and the over three hundred (not ten) laws were all about preserving tribal identity.
exactly why I'm an atheist, no invisible Sky Daddy's required.
10 years?! I've been following you for 10 years?! Geeze. Refreshing to hear an anti-theist video these days
I'll add this: Let us not forget the Bible teaches people to feel guilt. That in itself has hurt so very many lives!
Absolutely. I've known many Christians who cannot go two days without falling on their face crying till dehydration because they accidentally lusted for 5 seconds.
Back when I was a Christian I met a guy at a Evangelical youth retreat who everyday hated himself for being a human being and would cry day in and day out and all he talked about was how much of a sinner he was and during the revival services every evening he would get his emotional high, just to hate himself the next day again and then repeat the euphoric high of feeling forgiven and I saw it happen over and over with this guy.
It was indistinguishable from a drug addiction.
How can you feel the high of being constantly forgiven if you don't feel your wreck? The more disgusting you feel about yourself the greater the high is during these revival ceremonies.
OH I am with you Andre. I have known way to many people who stayed married not because there happy, oh no because of the union before God. Thee unbreakable union before God (who missed the wedding due to his non-existence)
Andre Danielz
How does one accidentally lust?
Even so just masturbate more often...he's probably one of those poor kids who was abused by some priest.
How does one accidentally lust? By the mere fact that we don't control our thoughts. We might choose to linger on the thought of lust, but lusting itself as an initial response comes naturally.
We can train our brain to not dwell on the thought, but the thought itself coming to mind is uncontrollable. When I say Pink Elephants. The thought of pink elephants came to your head whether you wanted it to or not, because external forces put that thought there. Lust works this way too, except it's external forces are hormones causing your neural pathways to associate a certain figure with sex. It's Even if it's there for a second, you didn't put that thought there, it came from your instincts. But religion will have people believe that they do put these thoughts in their head and they should be ashamed of it even if it's just for a second.
Serena😍🤣🤣🤣
Aside from the Current Year Fallacy, I totally agree.
I don't know what that is. And I'm too lazy to Google it.
misterdeity Come on, man! It's 2017 and you're not gonna Google something?
😉
"It's current year!" is not an argument about why things should be a certain way. It's pretty much as bad as a strawman argument. It's *always* Current Year, that has nothing to do with how people do or should behave. In 1050 AD it was still Current Year to the people living in it.
Nasuth Oh, it's a stupid fad meme rather than an actual fallacy. Just looked it up. For future reference, I don't care about nonsense like that. But thanks.
Viced Rhino that's very funny!!!
Fear + testosterone + ignorance --> this thing
this Ding.
ToeKnee0126 Hahahaha!!!
Whose Dr. Bombay?
Samatha Stevens' family witch doctor.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 lol still alive?
He (Bernard Fox) was until December last year.
*Who's*...
Prager university is paying you! too funny!
Preger is only wrong when it comes to religion and science. I have no issues with his political views independent of these two things if he can provide some evidence his ideas work.
bad stuff is old testament, jewish book, but yea, it's the christians, check out that talmud for some real religious fun
every version has nastiness in it
There are christians in the United States who want the country run according to "old testament" laws. It's part of their book, y'know.
new testament has plenty of evil in it as well
Judaism doesn't have a concept of burning in the eternal fire of hell. Thank Jesus for that little gem used to terrorise young children.
Apatheist! Woot!
I was a strident atheist until I discovered the wonderful faith of Kek, and his prophet Pepe, who died for our shitposts and rose again.
I can agree with you only at 50%. 1-Homophobia is an irrational feeling not necessarily related to religion, at 15 years old I used to justify homosexuality as God's will, also my 90 years old grandma says "if God created Homosexuals the way they are, we must accept them". There are also passages in the gospel and the quran from wich you can defend homosexuals by interpretation (e.g. Jesus healing a ill man on saturday that was forbidden by the jewish law because he said that you don't have to follow the law but you should care about real people necessities, this could be nowadays interpreted that you can allow gays to marry and adopt children).
In communist dictatorships, both in the past than in the present, LGBT people faced/face mass killings, concentration camps, jail or general discriminations: in China, to have a private homosexual intercourse was a crime until 1997.
2-Witches are persecuted in India, not for a specific religious law, but only because some of them failed to heal some people. I'll give a better explanation: there are women in Indian country towns that heal people with herbs or other natural drugs, but if they fail to heal one person, the people of the village get pissed off and they begin to persecute these women calling them witches. This is just an irrational thing not a religious law.
Religion is neutral as other things.
P.S. homophobia is also justified by some people through science.
That you may be able to interpret some verses here and there to find a justification for not doing what is clearly advocated elsewhere in the Bible makes my whole point. You're spinning things another way because you have to. The Bible is very clear about what to do with Homosexuals and witches. That such bigotry abounds outside the geographical areas touched by the Bible is irrelevant. Cultural bigotries and superstition will vanish with basic education. But when the God of the Universe - the all-knowing, all-loving God of the Universe, says we have to do x or y, that's nearly impossible to irradiate, making religion exponentially more dangerous.
misterdeity I'm against religion too as a social structure, I'm just spiritual, I don't belong to any religious group but you can't read the bible or the quran with nowadays eyes, however I don't take the holy books for absolute truths, I just believe in the possibility of the existence of other dimensions, paranormal entities, or a God but in the sense of an energy. I'm excomunicated by the catholic church by personal and official will. If I just believe in something paranormal, I don't hurt anybody why should you care?
@@emanuelebaiocco6432 Because by believing in the paranormal without good sound justifications you’re being irrational, and this type of irrationality can lead to all kinds of behaviors detrimental to our societies, even against your own will.
For example, being duped into believing quackeries in the topic of medicine, or by way of example of holding irrational beliefs inspiring others to do so.
@@nathanjora7627 Irrationality isn't bad stuff, we all need irrationality to create something: painting a picture, write a book, write a movie plot, even smartphones are born by an irrational idea.
@@emanuelebaiocco6432 Firstly : what you’re talking about are *a* rational things, not *i* rational thing (ie : they are non-rational, but they don’t go against reason)
Secondly : these are at best irrational actions, not irrational beliefs,
Thirdly : it’s pretty heckin obvious even if all you cited were indeed irrational things that not all irrational things are equal, and many irrational things are bad because they are irrational. Irrational beliefs that’ll make you not go to the doctor when you’re sick are bad beliefs, period.
Believing in the supernatural is typically the kind of thing that’ll have negative repercussions on what choices you’re likely to make, and to inspire others to do so as well, even if you yourself lucked out and didn’t adhere to any directly harmful belief like homeopathy, Crystal healing and whatnot.
But let’s be serious, how difficult exactly is it to accept that one shouldn’t ignore reality in exchange for delusions ?
Brian, seriously? No mention of the elusive Pandora Spocks? She was God like, you know.
Sam, Endora, Dr. Bombay? What are you like 60? Ohhh.... nevermind.
I was actually puzzled by that last part until I read your comment. Those are more Bewitched references aren't they?
Yes, they are. I really feel sorry for you wee tikes. Having to grow up with Spongebob and Nickelodeon would've had me driving my Tonka truck right off a cliff.
You do know what a Tonka is don't ya? Damn.
Yep a real miss by not including Uncle Arthur. He was a double threat since Paul Lynde was gay and if they were making the show today Uncle Arthur probably would be also.
Have the Tonka VW Bug upstairs and am looking at the FireChief Wagon as I type. Big fan of SpongeBob though.
I think my dump truck is in storage in my parent's crawlspace. Hard to believe I used to be able to sit in the dump bed and push myself around backwards. I doubt I could fit a boot in there now.
"God's will" really means "God swill."
"God bless" = "God be less"
yeah, the whole bible says to kill homosexual is something I have never understood. I have read the bible and I did not see anything that I would have translated as God telling us to kill homosexuals or nonvirgin girls.
I am a Christian, However I am not tied to one denomination. As many people know there used to be a lot more books that made up the gospel, but one day a bunch of "men" got together and decided which books would and would not be in the bible and low and behold we have our Machoginictic bible of today, However there were some smart people who hid the other books at Nag hamendi (I don't know if I spelled that correctly).
Leviticus 20:13:
New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
New Living Translation
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
English Standard Version
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
New American Standard Bible
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
King James Bible
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed a detestable thing. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands.
International Standard Version
"If a man has sexual relations with another male as he would with a woman, both have committed a repulsive act. They are certainly to be put to death.
NET Bible
If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
New Heart English Bible
"'If a man has sexual relations with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
When a man has sexual intercourse with another man as with a woman, both men are doing something disgusting and must be put to death. They deserve to die.
JPS Tanakh 1917
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
New American Standard 1977
‘If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Jubilee Bible 2000
If a man shall join himself with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
King James 2000 Bible
If a man also lies with a man, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
American King James Version
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them.
American Standard Version
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Douay-Rheims Bible
If any one lie with a man se with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them.
Darby Bible Translation
And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.
English Revised Version
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Webster's Bible Translation
If a man also shall lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
World English Bible
"'If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Young's Literal Translation
And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them.
Deuteronomy 22:13-30
New International Version:
13If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. 16Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19They shall fine him a hundred shekelsb of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.
*20If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.*
22If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
*23If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.*
25But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29he shall pay her father fifty shekelsc of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
30A man is not to marry his father’s wife; he must not dishonor his father’s bed.d
I actually have, however it has been awhile I obviously need to re read it.
John King
That is unfair. With all the other nonsensical stuff going on in "this thing", it would be easy to forget or not pay attention to the bits that call into question the morality of "this thing". I don't think she lies, she perhaps selectively remembers. Or does not remember in this case.
John King
How would you go about proving that allegation in a court of law? How do you propose to prove what someone remembers with no evidence whatsoever? Ignorance is not illegal.
"This thing" is the dumbest comic book, ever.
First off, anything with Elizabeth Montgomery in it is worth watching. What a woman.
I came to the conclusion that what you say about someone someday will try to implement the bible is today, tomorrow and the day after. As long as you believe in the bible you are just one bad event from being a love your neighbor theists to a certain people must die theist. It happens daily. As long as you believe in the text it wont take you much suffering to start endorsing the bad parts you dont like to read. Its all there. Good parts and horrific dashing babies against rocks parts. You may not think yourself one of those theists. Rught now. Today. But tomorrow, you may be angry and oops, the bible says so.
Atheists get angry too. But we dont have a belief in a book that openly supports genocide, slavery, murder, etc... That glorifies murderers,,slavers, rapists, etc... . We rely on critical thinking. Ours and the many who came before us and live with us. Our social requirements. The social contract. Empathy. The golden rule of atheism of treating others how they wish to be treated. And im pretty sure they dont want to be massacred no matter who says they should. No atheist has any sort of permission or direction to commit criminal acts against others. Theists do have directions to kill even if they choose not to follow those commands.
You’ll enjoy my “Atheist Fundamentalist” video if you haven’t seen it already.
The worst thing in ever.
Why blame the ESV? Are you one of those KJV-only atheists?
2:25 - "And people like me. Atheists."
I thought you were going to say homosexuals.
wait is brian gay? DO I DARE GET MY HOPES UP FOR POINTLESS FANTASY?
just saying, silver fox
+misterdeity
Hi Brian
IF one would grant the Bible or any religious text as problematic and untrustworthy who or what then gets to define the purpose(s) of a human being and how do you know? It does not appear that by jettisoning religious texts all of a sudden their exists this resplendent clarity as to who we are or what we're "supposed" to do with ourselves.
Does truth exist? What is man? Why are we here? What are we supposed to do? And above all, who gets to say?
It seems a little too easy to heap criticism on religion - that's been done for centuries. There is nothing new there. What remains problematic is the lingering question posed by Nietzsche, "Since you've killed God, what now?" And whenever atheists try to fill in the "What now?" gaps, they start to sound an awful lot like they believe in some higher, transcendent truth that empowers them to tell others what to think and believe.
Why, for example, should atheists/skeptics be the ones to establish what would constitute acceptable evidence for God's existence? How do they know what evidence for God would be? If they have rejected all theistic claims, one can only assume they must know what God would look like if He did exist.
How do you know you're right, Brian?
+Daniel Ray
The problem is that religion does not and cannot answer any of those questions. Some could be answered reasonably, such as whether truth exists. But it would depend on what you mean by truth. The same is true about man. The why question can have no ultimate answer. Even if you could prove a creator, all you could learn would be the motive of the god for making us (if our existence was intended at all). So you could know that that motive was a causal factor in our existence, but that doesn't really answer the question so beautifully posed and answered by Walt Whitman:
Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring,
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurring-What good amid these, O me, O life?
Answer.
*_That you are here-that life exists and identity,_*
*_That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse._*
Whatever purpose a god may have for us, it is only ours if we choose to value it. For all we know, if there were a god, maybe it made us just to watch us suffer.
What are we "supposed" to do? In a cosmic sense, probably nothing. Our existence is just a raw fact with no meaning other than that with which we imbue it.
from Double Star (1956) by Robert A. Heinlein
*_"There is solemn satisfaction in doing the best you can for eight billion people. Perhaps their lives have no cosmic significance, but they have feelings. They can hurt."_*
Isn't that enough?
Hi Pat
I assumed for argument sake God does not exist.
Ok, what then is true about the world and our existence and how do you know? In light of religion being off the table, what now constitutes or defines what is true? Who gets to say?
Your response for example, makes specific claims about religion and man and the universe. How do you justify those claims, Pat? Merely existing tells us nothing about what we ought to do, for example.
Making up our own definitions of good and then trying to conform others to that definition seems an awful lot like religious belief.
And what about the question I ask about "evidence"? Who determines what evidence for God would be?
Daniel Ray The thing is, we only _ought_ do things that advance a goal or is consistent with a value/set of values. An _ought_ is a hidden conditional proposition : _if_ you value X _then_ you ought do action. Y, which can be shown to be consistent with and or lead to X.
As for justification of synthetic propositions, that is where epistemology comes in. Empiricism, mainly in the form if science, has consistently been shown to have more (much more) power to predict phenomena in the reality we all seem to experience intersubjectively. No one gets to arbitrarily decide the best epistemology; it is _results_ that demonstrate empiricism as the best way to gain predictive power and actual practical applications like technology. If another epistemology/methodology than empiricism, especially in the form if science, that can do better, it will ascend to the top by demonstrable results.
As for why sceptics can set the bar for what will convince them of a god is because they can't be convinced by less. That only applies to themselves, if others have lesser standards of evidence, that is their business. What is usually asked for is sound and valid logical arguments and or evidence that is compelling to them. This is true of everyone, even you have your own standards of what will convince you of a claim, but established logic, reason and empiricism are pretty successfull tools for gaining knowledge, so naturally they would be favored by most rational atheists.
Hello there!
I am familiar with the claims of empricism. But as an epistemic construct, it fails to stand up to its own criteria.
In short, one cannot use empiricism to demonstrate that it is the only viable way of knowing what is true or good or right.
Daniel Ray First, truth, as a correspondence to the reality we seem to share, is demonstrated daily in science. It is _true_ that electromagnetic theory works, proven by the very thing you are using to communicate with me electronically. In logic, true is just a label for propositions. For propositions about the world, the reality we seem to share, the only way to assign a label of true or false is to test the proposition against observable reality. The proposition "empiricism is the best method for gaining knowledge about the world" can be empirically justified by simply measuring results. Empiricism in the form of science is demonstrably the most successful method we yet have devised for gaining knowledge about the world by simply looking at its track record of self correction, accurate predictions of phenomena and then using scientific knowledge to create amazing technology. What method comes even close to scientific empiricism in this?
As for what is "good" or "right", those are _value_ judgements, they are _subjective_ by definition. They are determined by values and goals. Once a value is chosen, for example let us use "human life has value". This proposition is entirely subjective because all values are subjective. But if one accepts this axiom, then one ought behave in ways consistent with this value.
Luckily for human survival, we have evolved as social animals and developed traits like empathy and a desire for social cohesion in most humans, so we tend to act socially (ie morally) at least towards in-groups. But rational moral theories and ethics have developed to aid us in this, using values in the form of foundational moral axioms to extend in-group status for morality to all mankind, and even any thinking, feeling non human agents, but at the heart of any moral system is a set of subjective(but usually not arbitrary) value judgements. I challenge you to offer a single moral ought that isn't based on a value judgement. There are no _true_ (as in corresponds to observed reality) morals, only goals and values that form the basis of what is good or bad, right or wrong.
I still think your witchcraft discourse is oversimplified; though perhaps you don;t mean, you harken back to older scholarship which suggested that none of the witches executed in Renaissance Europe actually participated in irregular religious and other ritual practices, but they did. You're right to point out, obviously, that ritual action does not have real world results; if it was me, I would make it cleaner that people did perform witchcraft, jsut as mistakenly and foolishly as orthodox Christians practiced their rituals. No point in arguing about it, however. I made my clarification, down here where no one will ever read it.
I read it! And yes, you're correct. People have been engaging in folk magic forever. And apparently, that will never end. The problem I was trying to point out is that people engaging in such activity generally aren't murdered for doing so - until religion gets involved. AND...it doesn't even take the "doing so" part once religion gets involved. The stories of people simply being accused and murdered for absolutely no reason are nearly endless.
misterdeity Or accused and murdered because they had property or something that accusers wanted.
This guy would be humiliated if he ever debated a true biblical scholar. His lies would be exposed.
No he wouldn’t
"true biblical scholar" as rare a breed as one of them "true christian" mofos
@coachmarc2002
Dreaming of some fantasy world is your best response?
Liar.
It's reasonable to expect that you know what lie is being told and what evidence is being withheld in this speech, so please, take a moment to enlighten us with the knowledge supporting your accusation.