Battle of Fornovo 1495 - Italian Wars DOCUMENTARY
Вставка
- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Get 20% OFF + Free Shipping @Manscaped with code GENERALS20 at → manscaped.com/k... Sponsored by Manscaped - your balls will thank you.
This new Kings and Generals animated historical documentary series will focus on the Italian Wars. In the first episode, we will give a background of the events - why the Italian peninsula was so disunited and why France was so interested in the politics of the region. The attack of the French king Charles VIII against Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia), the kingdom of Naples, and the Venetian League during the First Italian War led to the battle of Fornovo in 1495.
Hundred Years' War: • Battle of Crecy 1346 -...
Thirty Years' War: • Thirty Years' War - Wh...
Medieval Battles: • Early Muslim Expansion...
Wars of the Roses: • Wars of Roses 1455-148...
Third Crusade: • Third Crusade 1189-119...
Support us on Patreon: / kingsandgenerals or Paypal: paypal.me/kings... or by joining the youtube membership: / @kingsandgenerals We are grateful to our patrons and sponsors, who made this video possible: docs.google.co...
The video was made by MalayArcher ( / mathemedicupdates ) while the script was researched and written by Johan Melhus. This video was narrated by Officially Devin ( / @offydgg & www.youtube.co.... The art was created by Nargiz Isaeva. Machinimas made using Total War: Rome 2 and Attila.
✔ Merch store ► teespring.com/...
✔ Patreon ► / kingsandgenerals
✔ Podcast ► www.kingsandgen...
✔ PayPal ► paypal.me/kings...
✔ Twitter ► / kingsgenerals
✔ Facebook ► / kingsgenerals
✔ Instagram ► / kings_generals
Production Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsou...
#Documentary #ItalianWars #Fornovo
Get 20% OFF + Free Shipping @Manscaped with code GENERALS20 at → manscaped.com/kings
Freedom balochistan freedom baloch consider for China Pakistan go now see now pic go bag go jahannam inasha Allah
Please a Video On Sikh Empire. Like, afghan sikh wars in which sikhs won literally every battle against Afghanistan
Please a Video On Sikh Empire. Like, afghan sikh wars in which sikhs won literally every battle against Afghanistan
Please recreate your Napoleonic war series like this one and also complete it. Its a request from a loyal subscriber
Big question; Are you gonna cover one of the best knights in history who as well fought during the Italian Wars,
Pierre Terrail Seigneur de Bayard.
I love Renaissance warfare. It was a hybrid of early modern and medieval tactics and weaponry. This period of warfare included men at arms, cannon, pikemen, arquebusiers, crossbowmen, halberdiers, spearmen, etc. What an awesome spectacle to study and imagine!
tru
interesting. that season of Borgias was surprisingly accurate.
ikr, very surprising
Most interesting was Gina McKee flashing her fanny on city walls 🤣
Which one and which episode?
Great to see the Italian wars finally be covered.
Some of my favorite! Gonzalo Fernández de Cordoba! 😇
Now he needs to do Battle of Legnano and Montaperti
Agreed! I got super excited when I saw the title.
"condottiero" doesn't mean "him who leads" (that would be "conduttore"), it actually means "Head of a 'condotta'", a "condotta" being the contract by which you hire of a number of mercenary militias
Yeah, though I see why he made that mistake, I can't blame him too much for that
"A mighty flame follows a tiny spark"
- Dante Alighieri
And sometimes it's just a tiny spark XD
"This party's getting crazy, let's rock!"
- Dante son of Sparda
Meanwhile in history channel:
“How secret relationship between Tupac Shakur and Saddam Hussein cause the American civil war ? “
Don't forget the Ancient Aliens crap.
I mean, I would give that 10 minutes at least.
@sebâstian turnayev You were the same guy asking this under the Orleans video under a different name, weren't you? Knock it off.
Gondor Tree... Fornovo... FORNOST!
@sebâstian turnayev i think Turks are appart of an ancient ethny which lived in Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc
This historical moment is perfectly described by Machiavel in "The Prince", i recommend everyone to read it, as it is more of a political analysis of the event rather than a military one. :)
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Napoleon literally destroyed Prussia.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Napoleon tea-bagged Prussia.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Prussia didn't do shit at this period they were probably the worst army among the allies.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 France didn't need Napoleon to drive the first coalition out of France and take over the Netherlands and Belgium during the first coalition war (1792-1797) in the first place.
@@NapoleonAquila yeah...only some years of dominance...pretty pathetic...to see many deads for nothing.. XD
By the way frogmen...Napoleon BONAPARTE was Italian, not french.. XD
The Italic League: Italy stronk 💪
France: *Invades*
Italy: *Gallic Invasion Flashbacks*
Or just Frankish invasions, Charlemagne has passed through there as well ^^
Well they lost at the end sooo
@@NapoleonAquila and then you lost again xd
@@NapoleonAquila when exactly? Back then or currently?
@@starkiler13 Are you spanish ? If that's the case, I beg you to pardon the other idiot, he's clearly young and immature. Spain totally won the Italian wars, Pavie is one of the very few battles in which a French monarch was captured. The Tercios were the most formidable units of the XVIth and early XVIIth centuries. We can still say we took our revenge in the XVIIth century, and after that we're mostly friends. Anyway, I think we can agree on the most important thing of all : Fuck the anglophones.
Italy: the chessboard of Europe.
Germany：First Time？
@@rickytang1355 Italy: not really, but usually there are not that many foreign pieces here. And it's only going to get worse and worse.
If somebody is of the “central Italic” race, who would they root for in this war??
As someone from those places, I would say anyone opposed to the Pope, since they are usually (not this time, but most times) the ones that call for foreign powers to rampage on their behalf.
Other than that, I would say the strongest Italian power (Venice) or the weakest foreign one. What you don't want is a powerful foreign power beating the others and reducing all Italian states into its puppets. Which is exactly what happened (the Habsburgs, they got kicked out for good only in the 19th century).
@@blede8649 I'm not from central Italy (in fact, I'm from the north), but I'd say I rooted for the Papacy and Venice. The Papacy had to ensure for its own safety no sole victor emerged from the northern and southern wars and assure the protection of central Italy, which they did successfully. If they failed, I would have wanted Venice to take power over the rest of the Peninsula, as I'm from Brescia and we were the most trusted allies of the Most Serene Venetian Republic (Brixia Fidelis!)
Attacking through a swelling river and muddy terrain after a stormy night is a pretty good move to make you lose a battle
Thank you, Kings and Generals, for beginning this fascinating series on the Italian Wars. The early modern period of Europe is one of the most fascinating times due to the confluence of technology, politics, religion, and art, which especially took place during the Italian Renaissance. I look forward to where this series will take us next.
Glad to see Italian history between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the unification under the House of Savoy. That region doesn't seem to get enough love.
Well Italians wars are quite well known actualy
What if Italy did unite/centralize after Italian league? Or What if Italian league become something like HRE? With one powerful state as protector.
Is this satire?
@@fkjl4717 No one would have conquered it then
So that´s how you remove cavalary from the battle you put a big wagon of treasure in their sight.
the mngols did the same by throwing gold on the ground, so the knights and men at arms stopped to get it...greedy people are always there...
Man the Borgias is such a great TV series. Wish we had got more seasons.
100%! Loved the show through and through and it made me such a great fan of the one and only Jeremy Irons. Truely great. It is a show surely blessed with sprezzatura.
@@abdulrahmanderbala3349 Each to their own bro, all the best.
The Canal+ version is even better
@@abdulrahmanderbala3349 I agree with you, which is why the Canal+ version is so much better (Borgia). Cesare steals the show halfway, as it was in real life.
Assassins Creed: Brotherhood is all about the Borgia family, you might like it.
Alfonso II when the French were coming: "Quick! We must prepare ourselves!"
Also Alfonso II when the French were coming: "Ciao! I'll see you in Sicily!"
The "Στρατιωτες" or Stradioti in latin, the last byzantine light cavalry. This Eastern Roman military unit was mentioned for the first time in the Strategikon, the strategy manual introduced by Emperor Maurice in 6th Century A.D.
I recognized that as well.
As far as ı know they were albanian mercenary light cavalry. Origin of the name as you mentioned.
@@oguzhangorgun6918 Albanians were also among them. But they included also Greeks, Serbs etc. For example one of the leaders of the Stradioti, was Georgios Palaiologos member of the famous byzantine family. Another example is Krokodeilos Kladas (his father Theodoros, was an officer of Constantine IX Palaiologos, when he was Despot of Mistra), one of the most well known Stradioti, who became the leader of the 1st Greek rebellion in Mani at Peloponnese, against the Ottomans in 1481 A.D. Though as a cavalry unit of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Stradioti existed from much earlier.
Yes stratigos
@jothegreek Explain yourself...
One thing i love about the Italian Wars is that eventually, Charles V invaded Rome, after approving of the Reformation which was begun by Martin Luther. The Ottoman Turks were planning an invasion and this particular event inspired me to write my fantasy books based on the Italian Wars and also on the invasion of Rome, put forth by Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire. In my books, the Sacred Valoryan Empire has three Italic inspired Imperial city-states such as Caladania aka the Florentines of the Empire who have made an agreement to side against the corrupt pontiff. They are also overseen and governed by the illustrious Caladici Family, based off of the Medici led by Elector Duke Lorenzo von Caladici and ofc the Supreme Arch-Gryph Wizard, Godric von Greifonhof. Caladania is ruled by two separate chambers that form one united assembly while being in two separate groups representing two different sides of the city; the High Arcane Council which represents the magic and arcane arts and the Grand Electoral Council, the political and military affairs of state. There is also the Lochland imperial city-state which is inspired from Naples and Milan sort of. While there is also one imperial city-state called Geonova, based off the Genova.
Anyways, the story goes that the corrupt pontiff at one point declares himself "Supreme Master of the World" and the Empire has to assemble all of it's imperial state troops led by each of their ruling Elector Dukes along with their allies from Britonnia, Nordica, the High Elves of Celestor and the dwarves of Thulamdor to put a stop to the pontiff's evil schemes. Eventually, the pontiff is deposed and put on trial, then exiled. The Pontiff State of Telmervania is then taken over by imperial statists who declare a new Elector Duke and also raise a new banner that displays a half crowned black eagle and a striped black and yellow on the right side along with a yellow charge on the left side.
Like always, splendid work. Are you planning to cover the wars of Louis XIV of France such as the war of Devolution, the nine years war and the war of the Spanish succession as well as the seven years war ?
Most of those ended in French victories, so it's unlikely they'll cover those
@@Cancoillotteman Sans déconner cette vidéo était très bonne. Ils citent même leurs sources. Il est évident que cette chaine fait bosser plusieurs créateurs différents, voire plusieurs équipes, et que certaines sont meilleures que d'autres, et surtout moins promptes à céder à une version chauvine de l'Histoire. Cet épisode augure d'une série de qualité (contrairement à celle sur la guerre de cent ans), et puis on va forcément parler d'Agnadel, de Ravenne, de Marignan et de Cérisoles, voire de la reconquête de Calais, alors pour moi ça reste une bonne nouvelle. Il me semble donc que les guerres de Louis XIV pourraient très bien être détaillées.
Et puis elles sont loin de toutes avoir été des victoires françaises. La guerre de Hollande était une victoire légèrement insatisfaisante, la guerre de la ligue d'Augsbourg une égalité et celle de succession d'Espagne une semi-défaite.
They said it was on their schedule.
@@Cancoillotteman The Spanish said the same about wars they won...
@@nolletthibault2031 Espérons. Le biais de cette chaîne est plus de viser les batailles célèbres que le chauvinisme anglo-saxon; donc si ils couvrent Louis XIV je leur fais confiance. Là est la problème : SI
Renaissance history fans : *oh yeah, it’s all coming together*
The Italian wars is something that really should be taught more. It was one of those moments in history where you can see the birth of nationalism as the Italians fought against a French invader. Machiavelli also wrote "The Prince" during the wars
"Eyy I'm walkin er!"
*Begins war*
Just started watching The Borgias last week and was reading about the history of this war. So perfect timing for me.
Basically the plan was to block the French advance with a holding force and launch the main attack across the Taro on the flanks of the centre and rear columns.
Boy, dd that fail miserably. The French marched right through.
@@nassauguy48 Not really. French ran away during the night
@@NoName-hg6cc
the french ravaged the land rped the women and looted italy. nothing new.
@@smal750The French got kicked both on land and sea. Nothing new
@@NoName-hg6cc
still violently coping
Cant wait to see the entrance of Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba.
Finally some Italians hitory!😁🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
I mean they did cover Italy quite extensively in a few of their WWII videos.
@sebâstian turnayev Wouldn't they both be descendants of the Turkic nomads? I'm not too sure about the history of Uzbekistan
@@derkreuzritter6789 don't answer him, he's a troll that keeps spamming this same shit question on every video over and over again.
@@barbiquearea They covered one of the lamest parts of Italian history. The Italian Wars are among the best.
I live in a town right next door to Mordano. I was there a few days ago, really nice place nowadays. So cool to finally see places where I live in these videos, keep them coming !
@@NapoleonAquila Far be it from me to demean your achievements, Sire, but you had the bureaucracy, resources and manpower of a modern state behind you, as well as your own military genius, whereas Charles VIII had a feudal monarchy barely out of the Middle Ages. We're comparing apples and oranges here.
Italian wars really deserved a video
When, I visit your chinal, I saw Battle of pavia and You also sayed that you guys will cover italian war in future. But thr time is finally came.
Here i am, watching a history video of places about 30 minutes away from me.
I should go visit.
Plot Twist: Alfonso II looks a lot like the recently "deceased" Charles the Bold. Back from the dead to get his ass handed to him by the Swiss again.
There was a certain knight called Bayard who captured standard of Venice. Remember that name.
Have a feeling that his career has just started.
@@ali95ah Oh you bet it did. If you ever wanted a fearytale knight in real life with all (real) chivalric qualities, then you will love him. Next episode should probably feather him.
@@aleksapetrovic6519 Not a big fan of Knightley stories, only know that he participated in many battles in Italy. But I will read more about him.
@@ali95ah the guy litterally entered the common French language to this very day ^^
When someone acts like a Paladin or something, we tend to say "he thinks he's the fearless and untarnished Knight Bayard !"
@@Cancoillotteman vremant? J'ai jamais etendu ca.
Love this period, thanks and just great job (the quality of your content is astonishing)
Tercios fans:
_Santiago war cries intensifies_
Amazing video man 👍👍👍
Sheesh, keeping track of all the people involved in the Italian Wars and their shifting allegiances was difficult.
That music was so epic I felt I'm in the battle myself
Imagine being one of those people who dislike UA-cam videos like this.
its 4,2 likes vs 32 dislikes at this very moment. Chances are from those 32 at least half clicked on the dislike button by mistake. The other can be havin a rough day or maybe just have a personal grudge with the channel..in any case its not significant
Its probably dislike bots or something that dislike popular videos to stop them from getting views
Quality isnt always that good or they skip over having just said something rather than explain the importancd
@@SonKunSama you sound like the type of person who would dislike a video like this.
Charles: “Well…that was easier than I expected.”
I wonder if the regional divisions of medieval and Renaissance Italy bore resemblance to the early grouping of Italic tribes prior to the expansion of the Roman Republic
As Jorehir noted, the pre-Roman identities were long gone by the time the regional Italian states came to be. Rome had effectively culturally homogenized the peninsular portion of Italy by the beginning of the empire. The Po valley retained some pockets of celtic identity, but it was largely romanized by the following century. When the barbarians invaded Italy in the V centuries, they called every non-barbarian Latin, with little distinctions. The destinies of the various parts of the Peninsula started to diverge in the centuries immediately after the fall of the Western Roman empire, when parts of the previously united territory of roman Italia became split between the warring Longobards and Byzantines, and later also with the Franks. Byzantine diminishing influence brought about the full independence of Venice and papal Rome by the end of the X century, while the longobards domains would become split in duchies.
I love the new set up in this episode. Keep using it plz
Thanks for the great content! I really enjoyed the video. One minor comment: I believe the term condottiero actually comes from the medieval italian term "condotta", which was the contract establishing the terms (the payment most importantly) of the mercenary's service for a lord/city.
I love this because I love The Borgias serie
Finally a series of videos about the Italian Wars. Not much people talk about this conflict, unfortunately.
Behold the Furia Francese !
Machiavelli expressed his admiration of french military action and mocked Charles VIII's diplomatic skills.
@@NapoleonAquila Louis XII a eu plus de finesse diplomatiquement en Italie du Nord, du moins au début ...
Il a surtout aimé le fait que Charle VII utilisait des troupes françaises et non des mercenaires. Charles VII au contraire utilisait des mercenaires.
No one ever utter that world that day. Not Italians at least
I am super excited to see y’all cover these wars. Trying to find a good documentary or get my head around the various events has been difficult
So Charles VIII tried to do an inversed "Caesar in Gaul".
Stratioti were not some " balkan mercenaries " but were Albanian mercenaries that introduced light mobile cavalry in Europe and changed the warfare and won more than 140 battles.
Their most famous leaders were the Albanians Merkurio Bua and Gorgio Basta.
So please Kings and Generals , be specific about this and don't copy everything from Wikipedia.
For more information you have a detailed article called " Stratioti, the Legendary Albanian cavalry that changed warfare in Europe ".
I am hugely fascinated by Siglo de Oro Spain and the military science of the Italian Wars so I really enjoyed this video.
I have to say, hundred years' war series was quite underwhelming for me, but this Italian war series looks extremely promising and in-depth.
But what about partition of Burgundy? I hope you're planning for one-off about this since it kickstarted Habsburg-French rivalry
Burgundian storyline needs to be covered indeed
He forgot most influential figure, Ezio Auditore da Firenze.
Great subject to talk about, even if it still means we're going to see quite a lot of French defeats...
The gigantic cultural difference in warfare between the French and the Italians, where mercenaries were not at all treated the same, basically guaranteed the collapse of the condottieri system.
We're still going to see Agnedelo, Ravenne, Marignano and Ceresole. Maybe even the reconquest of Calais. And if it's done properly with sources and actual tactical and strategical explanations on armies, battles and geopolitics, I think we'll have to see less racist morons than under their (poorly made) hundred years war videos.
More french defeats are a good thing though
"gigantic cultural difference"?
The Italian wars had been almost exclusively fought by mercenary troops (also Charles' army was composed mainly by mercenary troops), and the condottieri fought them until the very end. Still the Battle of Marciano in 1554, the last pitched battle fought in italy of the last of the Italian wars was easily won by the condottiero Gian Giacomo Medici over the combined French and Senese troops.
@@joshscanes2589 Lmao no they are not. The 16th century and the period from 1862 to 1962 are the worst centuries in French military history. There were victories sure, but the blunders were much much more high-profile. A channel more interested in shining some light on us kicking some ass would be welcome. But hey I do love the Italian Wars so I don't really mind this series. I'll just brace myself for the "surrender" or France "military noob" jokes.
Still the most victorious country on Earth bitches
Last time I was this early Italy wasn’t a thing yet
Very much looking forward to this. A great time period.
Since youre doing videos on Italy now, can you do a video on the rivalry between the Ghibelines (Empire) and Guelphs (Papacy)? It predates the renaissance but influenced it
They made the Battle of Fornova hell a intense good job
16:57 these mercenaries were commanded by an albanian mercenary commander known as Merkur bua, he is a really sick historical figure and i suggest you to make an episode on him
The stradiots are a fascinating subject to learn!
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL VIDEO.
France has so an incredible history
All countries have incredible history.
@@starkiler13 yes but as a belgium i think France have a greater history than all the rest of the world
@@georgedelanoy9548 ok.
Well, I in my opinion, the history of Great-Britain is far more interesting; they have that awful habit of winning their major wars and being good at diplomacy, whereas France tends to be really bad at both...
@@xornxenophon3652 xd so fake. In fact france. Like spain. Has one of the best (if not the best) ratio of wars won
Thank You for Putting this up
When it comes to these locations in that era, it always kinda surprising to see the prowess of those Italian city states as individual entities just by facts that whenever French kings and HRE emperors are concerned there's whole might of French kingdom and huge collective power of German states (to varying degrees) were behind those few individuals but Italian city states with forever rivalries among them were more or less having enough confidence to individually resist top names of their known world.
Ultimately indicting the importance of soon-to-be-decisive factor in waging war: the power of commerce. Swiss mercenaries undoubtedly the best which sliver can summon forth but at the same time, heavily geared Italian mercenaries being able to stand proud showed that Italian silvers could substitute the land mass they lacked in comparison with their northern super powers or those across the sea in the south. Only if they were united, there were always huge potential to reforge old roman empire.
Edit: may be it's even better being Italian mercenaries in comparison with swiss or german counterparts since they weren't needed to traverse vast distances to fight battles. Just here and there short distance within the peninsula and if one lord trying to persecute you for a crime or something, you could easily fled to next city as that would definitely willing to undermine your former lord lol
Except in the case of trying to flee from repaying loans from your city banks. You would be common enemy of every Italian city states lol
What you say it's just a bunch of fantasies, really baseless random nonsense. In reality italian infantry was poor led, poor equipped, poor disciplined and poorly payed. The simple fact that even Stradioti, wich were mercenaries and "professional" for standard, and still had no discipline and no trust to be well-rewarded by superiors to stick to the orders with an on-going battle that was far to be won, is a proof itself of a poor general state of any italian army. Swiss or generally german mercenaries were far more reliable, and even far more effective on the ground. Not sure what you mean with "heavily geared Italian mercenaries being able to stand proud showed that Italian silvers could substitute the land mass they lacked in comparison with their northern super powers or those across the sea in the south." There's no proudness to be defeated like at Fordinovo. Poor execution, poor plan, poor discipline, poor mobility, poor anything. Just utter incompetence.
That's why for centuries german mercenaries (swiss or german) were the most seeken force to recruit and not a single italian elite mercenary unit. The only one of valuable use were the Genoese crossbowmen but were always poorly used like at Crecy that never were a game-changer on the field.
@@sp1d3rm0nk3y33 Stradioti were Balkan mercenaries often hired by everyone that needed them, they weren't Italians. I agree that this battle was not exactly the best example of Italian military prowess (but you also need to take into account that they were a multinational force attacking across a flooded river), but to be fair Italian equipment was usually of good quality (Milanese weapons and armour were top quality in Europe) and Italian mercenaries were good even if they often lacked loyalty if not payed enough. Italian medieval history is highly interesting to study, with regional and local powers often rival of each other fighting through diplomacy and money to enlist the best mercenaries around, and even if divided and considerably smaller then their neighbours they managed to win their independence against the rule of France and the HRE multiple times. After the renaissance with the formation of the first centralised monarchies in Europe (France and Spain) and the switch from a Mediterranean centred economy to an Atlantic one, Italian states lost their economic power and begun to decline. But to say they were incompetent, weak and useless is ignorant.
@@user-dr6bc4jc8y Ignorant is the delusional idea that the italian states "won their independence against the rule of France and the HRE multiple times". Just one single battle (Legnano) won against Barbarossa in the farest 1176. After that many endless internal conflicts, treacheries, back-stabbing, unstable and opportunistic alliances, shortsighted political dividends.
The real indipendence came incredibly late in the 1861, firstly thank to the (non)-intervention of the british fleet, and secondly thanks to the series of battles won by France on land, despite the repetead defeat of the Sabaudian kingdom.
Regarding the italian armors, it's not a relevant fact on the entire italian campaign until the battle of Fordinovo.
What the italian leadership failed to understand is how warfare was changing, the importance of depriving the enemy of artillery and delaying him especially where he is weak, carriages and not-mobile units like cannons (what happened at Sarzana it's another proof of how the only concern of the ruling class was just preserving the land and the infrastructures from further destruction...A MEDIEVAL concept of warfare, instead of defeating the enemy they just wanted to preserve the land so the next year the taxes could finance another war, assuming that the on-going one was already lost. Utter stupidity, no comprehension of how war works, no idea of the devastating effects that repetead invasions have on the growth and the land itself and how was futile leaving the king of France a "free pass" to Rome, he would have come to Italy anytime he wanted if he had not been stopped and his army wiped out, every time with increasingly severe effects on the population, the cultivated lands, the infrastructures etc..).
Stradiots: true that were an international force from various countries and regions. I was just pointing out how that one was particularry inept, I know the battle wasn't lost just for that small fact.
Mediterranean sea: true indeed, the decline of Italy came righ from the American continent discover.
I remember condottieri preferred German troops as well, who were considered far more disciplined and braver too, whereas Italian troops (especially infantry) were of very poor quality with few exceptions like the company from Brisighella. On the other hand peasants militia from the Republic of Venice often fought bravely and exceeded the expectations of their commanders. The Republic timidly tried to build an army from them but never really fully committed itself to it...they were more reliant on mercenaries...unluckily -_-
@@eugeniocallegaro6618 Not true. Italians wre still considered good mercenaries. They were the most effective nationality in the tercios after the spanish, considered better then germans or waloons for example. Condottieri armies under Cesare Borgia or Giovanni dalle Bande Nere were still very good units. They proved to be a big match for Fench and Germans...
Charles VIII centralized too fast and prematurely made several areas into states, which caused him to go over the governing capacity.
Also, his lack of adminstrative skills prevented the new lands from being core regions of France; this caused great overextension.
Even worse for him was the fact that Ironman Mode was toggled on.
I'm a simple man. I see a new Kings & Generals video, I click like
Great work!
Finally the italians war got some attention. These war was underrated so much despise the impact of these on the western euprope.
I had been waiting this for a long time
El Gran Capitán and the birth of Los Tercios for the next video?! :-)
As a HBO The Borgias fan, I can't wait for the next episode!
italian wars is brilliant. kings and generals is brilliant doc channel . a huge fan from sri lanka.
You skipped Louis XI and it’s intense diplomatic activity 😢😢
We couldn’t dwell too much into second-half fifteenth century France, as it wasn’t directly connected to the Italian Wars (though you can certainly draw some parallels between the Burgundian succession war and later Habsburg-Valois conflicts and argue that the stability and centralization achieved those years allowed France to go to war in Italy)
That said, I won’t exclude that we will cover those years of France at a later date
@@johanm_16 Burgondians wars would be fantastic yes, it would be perfect transition between Hundred Years’ War and Italians wars
there's always a next time
@sebâstian turnayev turkey the country not really
However the inhabitant of modern turkey are a mix of Armenian Greeks and Turks, the sames Turks that came originally from actual Central Asia and ouzbeks are also a Turkish people so there is an ethnicity link of a 1000 years old
@sebâstian turnayev Yes man, they do. Because the Turks residing from the land of Modern day Turkey are the descendants of the Seljuk Turks that originated in the the modern day Turkmenistan. Uzbekistan, though not the place of exact origin of the Turks are a neighboring country of Turkmenistan and if you're going to study its migration theory you can see that Turks of the old Turkmenistan once inhabited Uzbekistan as well. Go and have a research about it mate. I suggest searching The steppe migrations / Origins of the Turks.
Nice that some exstetic improvements comes with the video on the italian wars🙂
Omg Yes!!! Love that you're covering the Italian Wars
The only good thing that France get in this conflict is the renaissance. It’s because of this conflict that the renaissance period begin in France. Others than that, it was a huge waste of time and resources. I don’t know why they thought it was a good ideal to get involve in these conflicts in the Italian peninsula(it was really a mess). Especially after the 100 years war.
Boredom?
@@lionelhutz5137 Maybe
Naples was a rich Kingdom with a lot of ressources.
@@freewal maybe but not as rich as France. France was the most powerful country in the Western Europe at this time.
Beside there a lot of territories between France and Naples (Milan, Florence, Papal States , etc...) . Even if they conquered Naples, they couldn’t keep it.
For the kingdom of Naples and the duchy of Milan?
yees finally, thank you for this series
Formigny a few days ago and now the italian wars, is it Christmas already ?
Thanks a lot Kings and Generals for you great videos !
Fun fact: The French brought with us a little souvenir from Naples, "le Mal Français" the French disease, as it was known in northern Europe, the Syphilis.
At Fornovo, a lot of french soldiers were exhausted because of it, but they managed to win anyway.
Knowing the time syphilis takes to develop symptoms like those suffered by the French, they already had it before starting the campaign. That's why it's known as "le Mal Français"
Also the French winning at Fornovo is higly debatable.
@@neutronalchemist3241 The French and Charles VIII remained few months in Naples, in the video, it show that french rushed north immediately after entered Naples. Debatable, but affirmed by historians.
Actually, French give Naples the disease. And lost at Fornovo not certainly because of it, Italians simply beat them. Historians agree
@@NoName-hg6cc I suggest you to read history books and quickly then, because you talk nonsense or "n'importe quoi" in my own langage.
@@thibaultletricheur1884 I suggest you to STUDY actual History, instead of what, in my language, is called cazzate
It has been such a long time since I watched Ks&Gs video with a great passion. This is a good one, indeed.
Ahhh, the golden age of my ancestors squeezing every bit of gold out of France and North Italy
👍👍👍
Both claimed victory, bullshit the French clearly won that battle. The allied Italian states suffered 3 to 4 times the French losses and failed to cut off the French from leaving. The flanking mounted Crossbowmen didn't fight, just looted the French baggage tain and left the battle. Stealing loot from the enemy supplies doesn't mean you can say you won the fight when your army was slaughtered.
It is false that they "suffered 3 or 4 times": the losses were 2:1 in favour of the French, whose army of mostly foreign (German) mercenaries repulsed an army of mostly italian mercenaries of similar size. The stradioti who plundered the french camp, captured over 300,000 gold coins which were the french treasure (including the French king sword and sash): that was the reason for which the french king, who was already escaping back to France, was no more able to field an army for lack of money! And in the same time, the south of Italy was freed by the Aragonese and the french garrison surrendered! So it was tactically a french victory but strategically it was Italian, even if the Italian small States were never able to make a coalition to kick the french back to their country, with all what happened later.
Also the Italian coalition had to attack frontally an enemy by crossing a river under fire of artillery, crossbowmen and arquebusiers, I would not call it a very easy affair and losses were very high, although not in the exagerrated 4000 : 1000 as is refered into this video. The French army also was commanded by several Italian "Condottieri", as noble Milanese Trivulzio for example. In all Italian Wars generally the French lost many battles (Pavia one of the most famous, also Bicocca, Novara etc.), won Agnadello and Ravenna, but their armies were composed by mercenaries, Swiss and Germans, and many Italian troops too.
And in the end they lost the war by the coalition of Spain-Holy Roman Empire under the Habsburg of Charles V. Remeber also the battle of Saint Quintin when the Spanish were led by the Savoy-Piedmontese Emanuele Filiberto "Testa di Ferro".
The difference in casualties was pretty normal, since the French fought a purely defensive battle. In the end, both armies lost about 10% of their effectives.
Following the usual methods to assess the result of a battle (who achieved his goal, who asked for truce, who remained in possession of the battlefield), that had been an Italian Victory.
1) The requests of the Italians to the King to let him pass were to give back the treasury conquered and to release the fortresses in French hands. With his baggage, Charles lost more than what had been requested (all the treasury conquered, all the money he needed to pay his mercenaries, his helmets, his sword, the royal standards, even his collection of erotic drawings). All of the fortresses in Italy had been lost in few weeks after Fornovo. So the Italians achieved all of their goals, and more. On the other hand, Charles' goal was not to return in France at any cost, otherwise he could have done it without even fighting, since he was already west of the Italians.
2) After the battle, the French withdrew on a hill to make camp (a poor camp, since they lost all they were not wearing). The battlefield remained in Italian hands, and the corpses of the French had been spoiled by the local peasants. Not the sign of a winning army.
3) Charles didn't "having opened up a route back to France, decided to not chase the enemy". He ASKED for a truce to bury the corpses, then fled the battlefield with his army in the night, leaving behind the wounded ones (that had then been thrown in the Taro river). Again, not what you expect from a winning army.
4) After having marched 200 km in 7 days, straight to Asti, without even foraging (at the arrival at Asti the French were starved), and without finding none willing to fend off 200 light cavalrymen of the Count of Caiazzo that were harassing the reargard (you can read the direct account of Philippe de Commynes, the French diplomat that negotiated the truce, about the truce, the night flight and the conditions of the retreat), Charles didn't answer to the calls for help of the Duke of Orlean, besieged at Novara, at only 68km distance, and remained in the city until Novara fell.
5) Yet he seemed to not be in such an hurry to return in France, since he did only on Oct. 22, after the Dukes of Milan and Savoy secured a passage for him.
Fact is that, thus both armies had lost about 10% of their strengh, only one of them was still able to fight. With the loss of the baggage, Charles could no more pay his mercenaries, so he had no more an army.
Actually french had many prisoners. And retired during night,losing the booty too. So Italians won
WoW you finally did it. Thank You.
20:47 that was happened in battle of mohacs 1526 hungarains knights were very close to captured sultan sulieman
That might be the Battle of Varna, Mohacs was a quick and decisive victory for Ottomans.
@@can6834 its also happened in mohacs
You just keep doing more and more of what we want; brilliant
Did the pike and shot serie help you make those videos ?
Excellent video as always btw
No, I personally try to not watch other videos on a subject I am working on, to not have a subconscious reference point. But, having watched them afterwards, think they are really good and a good way to have another view on the conflict
THANK YOU MAN FINALLY THE Italian Wars
Interesting to see Croatia on the map. Although technically in personal union with Hungary and not a sovereign state per se, Croatia did retain elements of statehood.
Exactly my thought, and its not the first map to se it like a separate entity, strange.
Good stuff Ks and Gs. Thank you!
7:37 Rodrigo de Borha? That's not how i remember it being pronounced in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. Is that the correct way to pronounce Pope Alexander VI real name?
It is the Castilian way to pronounce the surname Borja-Borgia. In Italian and Valencian it’s pronounced with a soft g, which is what you are thinking about. Both are correct!
Christ dude, why do people act like this.
The Borgias were from Valencia, Spain.
It's Rodrigo de Borja, and it is the correct way of saying the name in Spain, where he came from. Borgia is the Italian way of saying it, the better know versión, as the family did their political career mostly in Italy.
@sebâstian turnayev @sebâstian turnayev As much as I know, the turkish were nomad tribes from that zone of the world (Uzbekistan) that, like other nomad civilization, came crushing down and taking care of "civilized areas". First todays Iran, and after that, those tribes and nomads, due to how detrimental their nature were with sedentary population, where channeled by sedentary rulers towards Anatolia, current Turkey, that was Byzantine. After centuries of warfare and turkish emigration, the zone stopped having that Greek culture influence and became another thing. So yes, they are connected.
Yezzz always wanted to learn a bit about this but never found the time
When Louis XIV's wars T_T ?
(good video though)
This battle reflects the exact meaning of a Phyrric Victory.
Wtf I just finished a book on the Italian wars what y'all doin
Cool! Can't wait to see more videos on the italian wars!!
This is basically seasons 1 and 2 of The Borgias
Thanks for this video
I always looked to the Italian Wars has the first modern conflit from the perspective that european major powers intervened, in a mostly regional conflit, just to prevent their rivals from achieving their goals. "Not letting France get nice things" would be a common causus belli for centuries to come.
Thank you , K&G .
Did you know that Rodrigo Borgia and his son cesare were actually Templars?
Are you serious?? Is that really true??
Where did you read that the Borgias were Templars?
They were not, Templars were disbanded by the papacy some time earlier
@DidacusAugustus some of their rites still exist today in Freemasonry but that doesn't mean that they are still around.
@@beepboop204 Ah, I see.
And so it goes, real life being converted to a video game.
@@beepboop204 So you support Donald Trump, then.
Seems reasonable.
i love everything this chanel makes !
Ohh I'm all for this series!
Those wars, with the discovery of America, removed Italy from the center of Western history and economic power, in favor of kingdoms like Spain, France, England and Portugal, all sets on Atlantic...and that's why italians hate frenchs 😅
Well, and the english hate the french, and the germans hate the french and the spanish hate the french and the french hate the french. And for every instance you will find a historic basis. European history is fun.
That's just the flame return Italy deserve for the Gallic slavery
@@luxhistoriae1172
Now Italians colonising France hahaha touche!!!!!
@@bliblablubb9590 Tough to be in the middle of every major European center and fighting them all.
Though I don't really think Germans (or even the English to a certain point) hate the French, it's really more Italians and Dutch people that have a grudge. Ironically most French people don't know that, and quite like Italy.