So sad to hear this performance. They butchered the song in all areas. What happened to the drum part in the middle? Vocals, guitar, bass... This is sad. :-(
If this particular vid is supposed to be evidence of that, its failing badly. If Tate can't even nail his lower register on the opening verses, then he's getting even worse than he already was.
As a long-time fan (over 30 years) of Queensrÿche I have only one request for Geoff Tate: Please, please stop butchering these classics with this dreadful outfit. I´ve never heard worse backing vocals, can´t figure out how it´s even possible to sound so out of tune. Keyboard player is the best, because he actually isn´t playing, it comes from tape. Guitars are awful, Tate worn out, thumbs up for Simon Wright, he does what he can. I rest my case.
Back in the day, my band was taking requests at a frat party, and Silent Lucidity was requested. We had never played it before, but it was late and everyone was beyond drunk, so we figured "why not?" I'm pretty sure our version sounded better than this nonsense.
The drummer did not even attempt to play the original drum part during the break down section of a song?? I thought the guys playing with the perfectionist Mr Tate would actually make an effort?
Geoff isn't even trying to make an effort here. Ugh those backup vocals are embarrassing. I've knocked people on Smule for sounding like shit but wtf...
Tate loves to sing that song with a big orchestra behind, and it seems that he was a little disappointed by the performance overall, would've been a whole lot different with a big band behind him and more back vocals.
You know that your vocal cords are a muscle. Just like any muscle in your body it takes a toll after prolonged use. If you notice as people get older their voices sound different, it kinda gets a little raspy and deeper. Especially for singers that muscle gets worn down because they use it so much. You have to take care of it like any other muscle in your body.
+EVfan Benson Warm up, warm down... No drugs, food, or drink before a show. No smoking pot or cigarettes or cigars. Drink lots of water, gets lots of sleep. The problem is that humans are creatures of habit and they will always cut corners on what they should do in favor of what feels good. Do that enough, and you are insulating bad vocal habits in a blanket of false comfort. Whatever is not destroyed by that will be carried away by ego and the attitude that "the best singers don't have to practice". Even getting out of shape physically can affect the voice. Look, for example, at Axl rose. He put on weight and his voice went to shit because he neglected his chest voice. As of 2012, he sounded like Mickey Mouse on his high notes because his vocalis had atrophied from disuse. Age is also a factor, but should not be the biggest one. All of the above should be held to a higher standard of importance and if you're doing everything right, you will keep your voice well into old age. It should be noted that the singers who can still pull it off have always sung with a very clean tone, good vowels, good onsets, and very little emphasis on consonants. If yelling alone wore out the voice, babies would not have voices by the time they were toddlers because a newborn screams and cries much more often than even a professional rock singer and have you ever heard a hoarse baby? What is likely happening with singers whose voices deepen with age is that their voices may have started out deep- they were not tenors, but basses or baritones who trained like crazy to extend their voices into the tenor range. When that is the case, it only makes sense that a heavy, thick voice as going to bounce back toward being a heavy and thick voice with a limited range if the muscles that control pitch are not consistently exercised. In the case of the aging tenor who has lost their high notes, that is more likely to do with a loss of adduction in the vocal folds. If you can't keep them together, you get breathiness, which prevents the cord lengtheners from working properly due to the lack of pressure underneath which would normally hold the folds tightly together due to Bernoulli physics, and there you have a loss of your high notes which rely on vocal fold adduction to stretch and thin out until they become whistle pitches.
The facts are out there if you actually bother looking for them. I don't see any Michael Wilton songwriting credits on anything post-Promised Land for the most part and only one song on OMC II ('Hostage', which is really good), which gives legitimacy to Wilton's account of how things worked in the QR camp: Tate didn't want to work with the band that much, so he brings in ex-Myth bandmates plus Jason Slater after Tribe. The result? QR's music took a nosedive for the last decade. All Tate's doing!
Tate is not that bad here. his tone and timbre has gotten a little nasally though. The backup harmonies are so bad that I don't think anybody with a half a brain cell would defend them.
I'm just puzzled on why Geoff didn't just fly in backing vocals? Plus his band looked real shaky, the way he was counting off to keep the guitarist in time to cueing the drummer on intros, breaks and tempo. Seems like he and the band just learned the songs a few days prior or never rehearsed. But Geoff started of great but faded towards the end plus the mix was horrendous, sounds like they just plugged the microphones straight into a P.A. without any compression or effects to warm his voice. I would have fired the soundboard guy and his backup vocalists. The music was good but the rest sounded bad, it's a shame.
I was a deejay for years but never a musician...what does it mean to "fly in backing vocals"? Do you mean that literally or is it industry lingo for something more production-oriented? Just curious (=
Ok, not the best performance, particularly the bvox but overall not as bad as the comments make it out to be. You trolls probably never rocked one show or had the balls to perform. Everyone's a critic but what have you ever done, meanwhike Tate and particularly Sarzo are legends
LOL. Who are you to judge anyone's education level? Every one of your posts is exactly the same...insulting people (ineffectively) who disagree with you. Go back to your video games in your parent's basement and let the grown ups talk about music.
Geoff surprised me here, I listened to another 2013 performance and he was a bit off key.Yes he has lost a step but this song commands such a powerful voice and time is a singers worst enemy. But all in all he stil a respectable Tate performance. The back up vocals ,however ,were horrendous .He had to want to turn around and give them a swift kick in their off key a$$es. Hugs xxoxO Allison
Everything you mentioned is all stuff that comes with the package of band life. Age might be a factor, but based on comments I've seen from Geoff in interviews, I think he just neglects basic voice maintenance. Smoking is terrible for you either way, but like you said some people can still do fine despite it. I've mentioned it before, but I think it would benefit Geoff greatly if he went into more atmospheric music, a la David Sylvian/Peter Gabriel stuff. It suits his current range better.
You barely see Whimp on anything at all as far as credits. He sucks he played what Chris showed him to play nothing more nothing less. Turdryche is finished putz go watch Turdryche play Silent Lucidity in Europe and see The elf Turd headbang to it. You are Mo and Turd is Ron together you can be the moron bros.
I see a few things going on here that are not the musician's fault. The guitar player's microphone is too hot. That's why the harmonies sound horrible. On top of that, the band is having trouble hearing themselves, the monitoring system sucks. This is a prime example of how the sound technician can make or break the band.
I'm sorry...but this guy in NO WAY has half the voice the original singer for the band had (Chris DeGarmo). Watch some of the older videos of the band and listen to the REAL deal!
for his age? he's in his 50s not 80s. Getting older doesn't mean you have to lose your ability to sing or play your instrument with a level of competency.
Tate was always a nasal dramaqueen,damn how incredibly much better Todd does this...NOW..queensryche is AMAZING,this guy never did them any justice...TODD is the singer of QR...this guy is and ever was TOTAL crap!!...
Vegard Doelmo well I wouldn't say that. Tate wasn't always crap. His peak was '86-'91. Before that we was too immature as a frontman; after that period he became too enamored with himself as a frontman. Todd does do the material justice but he is after all doing a "semi-impression" of Tate during that peak period.
He's NOT the original singer when this song was released! UA-cam older videos of the band with Chris DeGarmo as singer (the guy that made the song famous).
@@madwelshman6910 The original version is from the "Empire" (1990) album, with Tate singing lead vocals. Chris DeGarmo wrote the song, played guitars and sang backing vocals.
Sounds good to me. I admit the backing vocals are not the best on this song. If you question Tate's vocal abilities, do a search for the Ratt set at this same show. You will then appreciate the 54 year old Tate's vocals a lot more. No evidence of any hatred of the crowd. He is having fun and showing love for the crowd. I am so tired of all of the Tate haters. Let go of your sad baggage. If you prefer La Turd and his mimcry, listen to them and leave Tate alone, for fuck's sake.
LOL. You are REALLY naive. You can lie in Court. It happens every day. You must get caught to get into any trouble, and everything Wilton says is circumstantial and unable to be proven (or disproven). For whatever reason, you hate Tate. Fine. Go listen to the mimic and his band.
LOL. The sad thing for you is that I AM an attorney. I probably purchased my son's video game from you at the local Game Stop the other day. At least you get an employee discount for your video game addiction and nerd raging.
Im not a throat doctor , I can't answer that, but I heard The Mission and it was pretty good, I am concerned that his voice is in some sort of trouble, I saw the AS tour and he sang very well...for the day..in a short time he has a nagging rasp that he cant shake, I saw the April show in Dallas and it was ok, but at the end he had a very hard time with BICan there also, so Im not sure if one day his voice we just goes.....sad
Wrong moRon. Go look at those songwriting credits again from the E.P. through Promised Land. Guess who has the 2nd most amount of song credits next to DeGarmo? Yep, Wilton. How about you go take a long walk off a short pier to whatever shitty mallcore soundtrack you have on your IPod and let the real fans enjoy the Ryche.
no kidding, seems like Robert is overpowering Rudy and Oven Mitts, ugh!!! plus part of the end of of the solo hit a wrong note at the chord change towards the end...abyssmal
Holy shit the backup vocals. WTF!?! Sounds like a cat getting run over by a car.
Ahhh I know
So sad to hear this performance. They butchered the song in all areas. What happened to the drum part in the middle? Vocals, guitar, bass... This is sad. :-(
Awful backing vocals.YUK!!!
"AAAIIIIIIIYEEEEEEEEEEE!!" GAWD....
Damn it hurts my ears 😅
there literally no passion here at all. I've seen the real Queensryche a year or two earlier and they did amazing job when they played this song.
If this particular vid is supposed to be evidence of that, its failing badly. If Tate can't even nail his lower register on the opening verses, then he's getting even worse than he already was.
As a long-time fan (over 30 years) of Queensrÿche I have only one request for Geoff Tate: Please, please stop butchering these classics with this dreadful outfit. I´ve never heard worse backing vocals, can´t figure out how it´s even possible to sound so out of tune. Keyboard player is the best, because he actually isn´t playing, it comes from tape. Guitars are awful, Tate worn out, thumbs up for Simon Wright, he does what he can. I rest my case.
Wow.. That sucked! :D
they should have queensryche open up for queensryche
Lmao!
Back in the day, my band was taking requests at a frat party, and Silent Lucidity was requested. We had never played it before, but it was late and everyone was beyond drunk, so we figured "why not?"
I'm pretty sure our version sounded better than this nonsense.
The drummer did not even attempt to play the original drum part during the break down section of a song?? I thought the guys playing with the perfectionist Mr Tate would actually make an effort?
ya totally messedbafainst tge original
Well I met Tate and he was a prick, however this band he has now is the shit. I mean Sarzo, Both of them! How awesome!
The beauty of the song is both the music and his voice flow together. This isn’t the magic we all know and love...
OMG..!! This was so horrible.! Eyeeeeeee(I) backup vocal was horrible and funny..!
Cara,Vou te falar! Está música é inteiramente linda!
Whatever. I saw Geoff, heard Geoff very recently. Geoff was off here but wow, the band screwed that up. I will always defend Geoff.
Geoff isn't even trying to make an effort here. Ugh those backup vocals are embarrassing. I've knocked people on Smule for sounding like shit but wtf...
The Sarzo Brothers and Gray suck on the backing vocals !!!
Tate loves to sing that song with a big orchestra behind, and it seems that he was a little disappointed by the performance overall, would've been a whole lot different with a big band behind him and more back vocals.
Horrid across the board. Tate sounds awful. His voice is totally shot. The band is terrible too.
not to mention the nail polish on buddy's nails
You know that your vocal cords are a muscle. Just like any muscle in your body it takes a toll after prolonged use. If you notice as people get older their voices sound different, it kinda gets a little raspy and deeper. Especially for singers that muscle gets worn down because they use it so much. You have to take care of it like any other muscle in your body.
+EVfan Benson Warm up, warm down... No drugs, food, or drink before a show. No smoking pot or cigarettes or cigars. Drink lots of water, gets lots of sleep.
The problem is that humans are creatures of habit and they will always cut corners on what they should do in favor of what feels good. Do that enough, and you are insulating bad vocal habits in a blanket of false comfort. Whatever is not destroyed by that will be carried away by ego and the attitude that "the best singers don't have to practice". Even getting out of shape physically can affect the voice. Look, for example, at Axl rose. He put on weight and his voice went to shit because he neglected his chest voice. As of 2012, he sounded like Mickey Mouse on his high notes because his vocalis had atrophied from disuse. Age is also a factor, but should not be the biggest one. All of the above should be held to a higher standard of importance and if you're doing everything right, you will keep your voice well into old age. It should be noted that the singers who can still pull it off have always sung with a very clean tone, good vowels, good onsets, and very little emphasis on consonants.
If yelling alone wore out the voice, babies would not have voices by the time they were toddlers because a newborn screams and cries much more often than even a professional rock singer and have you ever heard a hoarse baby?
What is likely happening with singers whose voices deepen with age is that their voices may have started out deep- they were not tenors, but basses or baritones who trained like crazy to extend their voices into the tenor range. When that is the case, it only makes sense that a heavy, thick voice as going to bounce back toward being a heavy and thick voice with a limited range if the muscles that control pitch are not consistently exercised.
In the case of the aging tenor who has lost their high notes, that is more likely to do with a loss of adduction in the vocal folds. If you can't keep them together, you get breathiness, which prevents the cord lengtheners from working properly due to the lack of pressure underneath which would normally hold the folds tightly together due to Bernoulli physics, and there you have a loss of your high notes which rely on vocal fold adduction to stretch and thin out until they become whistle pitches.
All the musicians here, they're not bad. But this Is not Queensrÿche. Rudy Sarzo and Simon Wright kick asses!
aaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiihhhhh hahahah WTF this backup vocals, whats hurts? ahahahaaha
Uahuahauahaiaajahahaaauaahaaaaa...
Proof that you can get a load of talent, and still have a crap product. Rob Sarzo is butchering it!
the past times always are better... what a bad interpretation!!!
Eu vi esse show caras são mostros
LOL! Alll aboard!! Ah man, this train breaks my heart.. Empire is one of my all time top 3 albums.. I like how ended this though.
The facts are out there if you actually bother looking for them. I don't see any Michael Wilton songwriting credits on anything post-Promised Land for the most part and only one song on OMC II ('Hostage', which is really good), which gives legitimacy to Wilton's account of how things worked in the QR camp: Tate didn't want to work with the band that much, so he brings in ex-Myth bandmates plus Jason Slater after Tribe. The result? QR's music took a nosedive for the last decade. All Tate's doing!
Paul McCartney sings in most of his original keys. Geoff Tate had/has a beautiful voice and needs a vocal coach again to get back what he has lost.
They should have use AUTOTUNE on those Backup Singers, HOLY COW...
Michael Wilton is cute
Wow the backup vocals completely destroyed this song.
overall good job but those backup singers need some help
🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤enjoying....7th of September 2024...
Anyone else...??????
Tate is not that bad here. his tone and timbre has gotten a little nasally though. The backup harmonies are so bad that I don't think anybody with a half a brain cell would defend them.
I'm just puzzled on why Geoff didn't just fly in backing vocals? Plus his band looked real shaky, the way he was counting off to keep the guitarist in time to cueing the drummer on intros, breaks and tempo. Seems like he and the band just learned the songs a few days prior or never rehearsed. But Geoff started of great but faded towards the end plus the mix was horrendous, sounds like they just plugged the microphones straight into a P.A. without any compression or effects to warm his voice. I would have fired the soundboard guy and his backup vocalists. The music was good but the rest sounded bad, it's a shame.
I was a deejay for years but never a musician...what does it mean to "fly in backing vocals"? Do you mean that literally or is it industry lingo for something more production-oriented? Just curious (=
It's because he can't sing the backing parts , his highs are gone is why he only does the lows.
Eu estava ai o/
well............That was a waist of 5:50 of my life I'll never get back! Vocals sucked, Harmonies sucked, lead solo REALLY sucked
And it's 5:50 that the rest of us won't have to listen to you cry! If you don't like it, change the channel, jeez!
Ok, not the best performance, particularly the bvox but overall not as bad as the comments make it out to be. You trolls probably never rocked one show or had the balls to perform. Everyone's a critic but what have you ever done, meanwhike Tate and particularly Sarzo are legends
Butchered this piece of music. Ugh! Chorus is so fucked up man! WTF, is going on here? I would have an immediate meeting after this shit show.
Doesn't he still smoke and drink a lot between shows? Maybe that's why its going so fast despite the fact he really isn't that old yet.
LOL. Who are you to judge anyone's education level? Every one of your posts is exactly the same...insulting people (ineffectively) who disagree with you. Go back to your video games in your parent's basement and let the grown ups talk about music.
Geoff surprised me here, I listened to another 2013 performance and he was a bit off key.Yes he has lost a step but this song commands such a powerful voice and time is a singers worst enemy. But all in all he stil a respectable Tate performance.
The back up vocals ,however ,were horrendous .He had to want to turn around and give them a swift kick in their off key a$$es.
Hugs
xxoxO
Allison
Geoff Love You And Silent Lucidity 😎
WHO EVER TOLD RUDY SCARZA HE COULD SING...OZZIE OSBOURNE???ARRGGHHHH HOW PAINFUL....OOOOHH IIIIIIII
Uma das minhas bandas favoritas são fodaaaaa
WTF THE BACK VOCALS LOL, IIIIIIII MOMMY! listen too it
I didn't think a band of adult "professional" musicians could butcher a song as badly as that Pink Floyd one... I stand corrected!!!
Everything you mentioned is all stuff that comes with the package of band life. Age might be a factor, but based on comments I've seen from Geoff in interviews, I think he just neglects basic voice maintenance. Smoking is terrible for you either way, but like you said some people can still do fine despite it.
I've mentioned it before, but I think it would benefit Geoff greatly if he went into more atmospheric music, a la David Sylvian/Peter Gabriel stuff. It suits his current range better.
go back to your hate site.. PS Whimp in his dreams is as good as Robert..
Oh, how the mighty have fallen
Musica maravilhosa
You barely see Whimp on anything at all as far as credits. He sucks he played what Chris showed him to play nothing more nothing less. Turdryche is finished putz go watch Turdryche play Silent Lucidity in Europe and see The elf Turd headbang to it. You are Mo and Turd is Ron together you can be the moron bros.
Why is he singing like the way William Shatner talks on Star Trek
1:08 OH MY GOD.... this is bad.
It sounds like a 14 years old bad cover band
Bien Geoff pero los coros fatales.....
Maaan, Geoff sounds very good !!!
Que buena versión, la voz de geoff buenísima👍
inesquecivel o show desses caras em 91 no rock in rio 2 tempo bom que nao vouta mais, ainda bem que os caras tao na ativa.
How does one sing thru one's nose?
Sounds difficult. .lol
Butchered! completely
A voz dele é magnífica . Sou seduzida casa vez que escuto.
In the beginning he's singing through his nose. Goodness.
BUTCHERED THIS SONG. SAD!
Geoff Tate is the one and only!!!
I see a few things going on here that are not the musician's fault. The guitar player's microphone is too hot. That's why the harmonies sound horrible. On top of that, the band is having trouble hearing themselves, the monitoring system sucks. This is a prime example of how the sound technician can make or break the band.
I'm sorry...but this guy in NO WAY has half the voice the original singer for the band had (Chris DeGarmo). Watch some of the older videos of the band and listen to the REAL deal!
omg geoff...wut happpen to ur voice !!
He thought he was the greatest thing to happen. he's the reason the band broke up, he was to into himself, he still feels that way from this video.
Geoff Tate forever !!!
It looks like Geoff is lip-syncing to the Kenny Rogers version of this song...
This is beyond horrible.
The best rock band of the monster...greatest songs
Eu tava nesse show!
Tate sounds good, for his age. That's life. Still fantastic to hear him.
for his age? he's in his 50s not 80s. Getting older doesn't mean you have to lose your ability to sing or play your instrument with a level of competency.
Tate was always a nasal dramaqueen,damn how incredibly much better Todd does this...NOW..queensryche is AMAZING,this guy never did them any justice...TODD is the singer of QR...this guy is and ever was TOTAL crap!!...
Vegard Doelmo
well I wouldn't say that. Tate wasn't always crap. His peak was '86-'91. Before that we was too immature as a frontman; after that period he became too enamored with himself as a frontman.
Todd does do the material justice but he is after all doing a "semi-impression" of Tate during that peak period.
He's NOT the original singer when this song was released! UA-cam older videos of the band with Chris DeGarmo as singer (the guy that made the song famous).
@@madwelshman6910 The original version is from the "Empire" (1990) album, with Tate singing lead vocals. Chris DeGarmo wrote the song, played guitars and sang backing vocals.
Eu estava laaaaaa
Sounds good to me. I admit the backing vocals are not the best on this song. If you question Tate's vocal abilities, do a search for the Ratt set at this same show. You will then appreciate the 54 year old Tate's vocals a lot more. No evidence of any hatred of the crowd. He is having fun and showing love for the crowd. I am so tired of all of the Tate haters. Let go of your sad baggage. If you prefer La Turd and his mimcry, listen to them and leave Tate alone, for fuck's sake.
So there’s 2 Queensrÿche bands??? Wtf
LOL. You are REALLY naive. You can lie in Court. It happens every day. You must get caught to get into any trouble, and everything Wilton says is circumstantial and unable to be proven (or disproven). For whatever reason, you hate Tate. Fine. Go listen to the mimic and his band.
LOL. The sad thing for you is that I AM an attorney. I probably purchased my son's video game from you at the local Game Stop the other day. At least you get an employee discount for your video game addiction and nerd raging.
Im not a throat doctor , I can't answer that, but I heard The Mission and it was pretty good, I am concerned that his voice is in some sort of trouble, I saw the AS tour and he sang very well...for the day..in a short time he has a nagging rasp that he cant shake, I saw the April show in Dallas and it was ok, but at the end he had a very hard time with BICan there also, so Im not sure if one day his voice we just goes.....sad
...os caras tiveram coragem de se apresentar nesse sol de outubro do Brasil!!! betina vtnc
Wrong moRon. Go look at those songwriting credits again from the E.P. through Promised Land. Guess who has the 2nd most amount of song credits next to DeGarmo? Yep, Wilton.
How about you go take a long walk off a short pier to whatever shitty mallcore soundtrack you have on your IPod and let the real fans enjoy the Ryche.
no kidding, seems like Robert is overpowering Rudy and Oven Mitts, ugh!!! plus part of the end of of the solo hit a wrong note at the chord change towards the end...abyssmal
Oh, and Tate's lower register sounds like its completely shot on this video. Maybe he caught a cold? Rofl.
Someone is holding his nose.So flat and whining...
My God you can critique anything, now the low register is gone?..rofl
I guess that's one thing we can all agree on....lol...no defense here
Joe Pesci on lead guitar ladies and gentleman
Ameiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....I was there......Aai..
I just listened to the intro...what the problem?
Can listen 24/7love love
Omg that's embarrassing.
Geoff Tate best voice
LOL, yeah sure you are Skippy.
Shit...Shit
I was there!
God!! Wat SLecht!!!
Amazing...
I love this song sound great