***** That was it! Your astute observation of the inadequecy of my intellect has changed my mind regarding the fables of your favored holy book! Oh, but if only someone had shown me such prejudicial projection and insult earlier in life; I would never have strayed into the horrible cult of atheism, and would have remained part of the flock of unquestioning believers. (Wait. I think my sarcasm button got stuck. There we go; fixed it.) Your excuse is lame, and your rude evaluation of my support for the criticisms in the video is just pathetic. I'm glad to see you "loving your enemy" as directly commanded in the scripture you so love. Please, show us more of this hypocritical stance. I'm sure you'll earn plenty of heaven points and Jesus juice to satiate your blind hatred, and it will surely bring us so very much closer to believing in your god. (Darn, that sarcasm just won't stop. Really need to get that thing fixed.)
***** Ah, insult laden superiority complex. Such eloquence. So convincing. Really expresses the love, the care, and gets to the heart of the Christian message. You must be psychic, because you know me better than myself! Either that, or you simply don't give a fuck and prefer to fight strawmen rather than real people. Tell me: what is my profession, my opinion on politics, or my marital status? Surely, someone who knows what I believe and understand, such as yourself, could easily describe such things. Name calling and assertions without supporting evidence are not corrections. It is immature to spout such things. Your fit is adorable. Please do not think I am so low as to fall to your level. Do you find trolling to be effective at spreading the Gospel?
***** It seems you aren't comprehending my repsonses to you. You see, your blathering is beyond pointless, and I really don't care about your pitiful point regarding the Bible. What I'm getting at is that you are not being productive in your attempt to belittle, and calling people stupid does not make people want to listen to you. *You are a troll.* You came here without a mission of education, instruction, or communication. Your entire message is one of frustration and attempted emotional triggering. You are pathetic, and you give your religion a bad name in the process. Considering how directly against scripture it is to push people away from the Gospel, I'm fairly certain this means you aren't getting to your imaginary heaven with your attitude. *You are not worth my time.* Kindly fuck off, you pitful twat. I do not wish to entertain "your kind" any longer. I will no longer allow you to respond on this thread. I have blocked you from further contacting me.
Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe Hebrews 6&7 answer the conundrum you appear to be facing regarding this: Hebrews 7: 1 ¶ For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, met Abraham and blessed him as he returned from defeating the kings, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means king of righteousness, then also, king of Salem, meaning king of peace. 3 Without father, mother, or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. 4 ¶ Now consider how great this man was: even Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the plunder to him. 5 The sons of Levi who receive the priestly office have a command according to the law to collect a tenth from the people - that is, from their brothers and sisters - though they have also descended from Abraham. 6 But one without thisfn lineage collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. 7 Without a doubt, the inferior is blessed by the superior. 8 In the one case, men who will die receive a tenth, but in the other case, Scripture testifies that he lives. 9 And in a sense Levi himself, who receives a tenth, has paid a tenth through Abraham, 10 for he was still within his ancestorfn when Melchizedek met him. 11 ¶ Now if perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be according to the order of Melchizedek and not according to the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must be a change of law as well. 13 For the one these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar. 14 Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests. 15 ¶ And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 who did not become a priest based on a legal regulation about physicalfn descent but based on the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it has been testified: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. 18 ¶ So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable 19 (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God. 20 ¶ None of this happened without an oath. For others became priests without an oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath made by the one who said to him: The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever.” 22 ¶ Because of this oath, Jesus has also become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 ¶ Now many have become Levitical priests, since they are prevented by death from remaining in office. 24 But because he remains forever, he holds his priesthood permanently. 25 Therefore, he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, since he always lives to intercede for them. 26 ¶ For this is the kind of high priest we need: holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 He doesn’t need to offer sacrifices every day, as high priests do - first for their own sins, then for those of the people. He did this once for all time when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak, but the promise of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son, who has been perfected forever.
I would like to kindly bring some questions: in Haggai 2: 20-23, it would seem that Zerubbabel is the son of Shealtiel but in 1 chronicles 3:19 he would result that Zerubbabel is instead a son of Pedaiah. What do you say about this contradiction. If God had cursed Jehoiakim and all his descendants (I insist on all) in Jeremiah 36: 30-31, it is possible that he then changes his mind and rehabilitates Zerubbabel in Haggai 2: 20-23.???? What god would it be? What happened to his omniscience? Honestly it's a huge mess. All this seems to me quite ridiculous.
In 1 Chronicles 3, Zerubbabel is the son of Pedaiah who is the son of Jeconiah. So it's the same family line, although Haggai does not mention Pedaiah in between. And yes, you're right, if God knew that he'd change his mind about Jeconiah's descendants, why did his curse his whole family line to begin with? It doesn't make sense if God is supposed to be omniscient. But personally, I think God's omniscience was a later addition to God's character.
@@Discern4 Dis, the Nature of God allows for God to be God. He is not a mere man, but greater. It is consistent within the Torah. God was set to destroy the Hebrews but relented with Moses. God was set to punish Israel for David but relented. God lwt Hezekiah know he would die but then relented and gave him 15 more years. God being Sovereign, is Sovereign. So for God to have mercy on Pediahs son would be consistent. But That is not what happened. God Approved of Shealtiels Son. Two different individuals.
@@travisdempster4693 - As mentioned in other comments, there is a Septuagint version of 1 Chronicles that lists Zerubbabel as the son of Shealtiel. So again, it appears Haggai is talking about the same people listed in Chronicles and Matthew. See my video "Missing Names in Matthew": ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html
We are shown a God who does change zHis mind to punish somebody if he repents God does not punish or withold punishment accordig to what he sees in the future But on what the person has actually done.Otherwise the punishment would have no sense
If you cannot believe Jesus to be the messiah according to what the scriptures say, then your scriptures are false scriptures. Because, now there is no throne of David and there is no king on it. So what you believe is utter waste. According to your scriptures, David's throne is everlasting... but there is no more the throne of David in this world now... so your scriptures are false, so why believe in your scriptures? But, because of Jesus, still the throne of David exists and He is sitting as the King in the hearts of many in this world. Everything becomes possible only in Jesus Christ, or else all falls flat on face. Jewish scriptures are believed still in this world because of Jesus and if not they are not true words of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of Man and Son of God... because He is 'the Last' , ' the Omega' . He came after Man. When God started to create , He was there in the beginning to become the ' first' through Him all was made. But how He became the Last? Jesus is Son of Man, coming after Man, so He is the Last. God is the First and the Last. Your logic fails your scriptures, but love for Jesus makes the same scriptures come alive. Jesus Christ is the Truth and our God and our Messiah.
Rekha Kottamasi said "because of Jesus, still the throne of David exists" How? To sit on the throne of David, your biological father must come from the tribe of Judah. According to the scriptures, Jesus did not have an earthly father.
Discern4 You must understand that in Bible, God says He will not give His glory to any other. How can you expect a mere man to sit as an Everlasting King on the throne of David. God gave the Israel its kings because they insisted to have one from among the people, because they did not consider God as their king. Then God said to the Prophet Samuel, that His people have rejected Him by asking for a king. So God wants to be their king and they wanted a man as their king. So how can God be their king? God became man to become that promised man who will be the Everlasting King. Now how can God have earthly father? Do you know that life of every flesh is in it's blood as written in bible, Leviticus. As told in John chapter 1, the Word of God, who is God became flesh and left his glory above and came down. Now how can flesh have life on this earth? The life of mankind was losing its life because of sins. But, God wanted to bless that life of Man for ever. So when this blood of David through Mary entered the flesh of Jesus, Jesus became the Son of Man and Son of God simultaneously. God dwelt among His people as prophesied in Zachariah chapters. Jesus gave every drop of His blood as an atonement for all of our sins. You need to understand that God in bible through His prophets has many times told that He will come as a Man to deliver His people. But, God in His mercy as chosen even the gentiles to become His people as told by His prophets in the Bible. Now, whether His people or the gentiles, can come to God only if they are Holy and righteous as the prerequisite. You can be Holy and righteous only if you are under God's rule. When you are expecting a mortal man to be an Everlasting king, and do not understand that God wants to be ur king, you are not having faith in God! How can any man become the Everlasting king? You must also understand that Man was created in the image of God. So when He appeared as a Man on this earth, many could not recognize Him. When the scriptures says, God is the First and the Last, we can understand the God is the First and the beginning, but how is He also the Last and the End? God is First because we were made by Him, through Him, and how is He going to be the Last? This is creation account in Genesis... Woman was the last thing to be created and God rested after that. After the sin was committed, Adam and Eve had to leave the God's own garden. Now God is the Last also... but how is He the Last? When He came and combined Himself again with His creation, He did a new thing. This Time He Himself chooses to be created Last. A new State of God. Becoming the Last. Jesus Christ is that New state of God Himself. The Son of God! But He is also the Son of Man, coming after Man, to become the Last. God is in the process of forgiving everyone who trusts in Him... all the sins can be forgiven by God where He can nullify the curses also. God is good to do good than evil. He wants to forgive all. He has done it in bible and will do it always. God choose to come in that line, so that the curse can turn into blessings. Did not God spare the sinners and forgave if they repented sincerely?
@@Discern4 Discern where does the scripture say "your biological father" i have never read that. And you seem to miss the Levitical Law as it applies to Hebrews.
@@travisdempster4693 - Reference to Jewish tribal lineage through the father: _"Then they registered by ancestry in their families, by their fathers' households"_ Numbers 1:18 Mentioned by Jewish rabbis: _"Tribal status in Judaism goes solely by the birth father"_ Rabbi David Sedley www.jewishanswers.org/index.php?p=1586 _"Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not the mother"_ Rabbi Shraga Simmons www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
in chapter 9 the angel tells that there are 70 weeks determined for Jewish people. I always thought that the angel meat the first 70 weeks. But one day I was reading chapter 12 and when I read such words:" As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end" it struck me. The angel made it very clear that the book can be understood only in the times of the end. Therefore he definitely meant the last 70 weeks, that is 490 years. In the chapter it is said that the messiah should appear 483 years after the issuing of the word to restore Jersalem. This word went out in 1535. 1535 +483=2018. And final week will will last till the new era in 2025. Yet in 2003 when I was 15 after reading final words in chapter 12 I conted 2625(1290+1335) from 607 BC (cessation of the sacrifice) as thought at that time and I got 2019. But later I understood that the year is 608. Jeremiah predicted that Jerusalem will be oppressed by Babylon for 70 years. In 538 BC Cyrus decreed that Jews returned to their land. It's obvious that 70- year period ended then. 538+70=608. Daniel was captured in 608 unlike historians say that it happened in 605. 607 is the year according to Jehovah's witnesses. They are mistaken also. We have one more number 2300 in chapter 8. I was very sceptical about it first for there is an abyss there. There is a prediction about the division of Greek kingdom in foour. And suddenly the chapter starts telling about some villain who would rule in the end of times and should be destroyes by God (not by hand). If we count 2300 years from 281 we get at 2020. 281 BC is the year Seleucus dies. He was the only one left of the four between whom Macedoniam Empire was divided. He was the king of the north. But there is more. From 1535 there are 49 years(7 weeks) then we have 364 to 1948 (creation of Israel) and then - 70 weeks to 2018 (1535+483). Remains one week till 2025 (1535+490). In the book of Enoch and the book of Jubelees there is a lot about 364 days. According to this books a year should have exactly 364 days. The fallibility of this calendar can be fixed by adding every seven years seven days. (364*7=2448 2448+7). Then we should add extra seven days every 49 years and then every 70 years. Thus we have the following numbers:49, 364, 70 and 7. 1535+(49)+(364)+(70)+(7). The biblical "day for a year" principle is used. But there is even more. Thus we a year had 2555 days.(364*7+7), If we cound 2555 from 538 when Cyrus decreed that Jews returned, we arrive at 2018 one more time. when I noticed it I was stunned. If this is a coincidence then I'm Santa Claus. And the last thing that killed me was: 2625 - 2555=70. What do you think about it. I understood a long time ago that Jesus was not the messiah. Here is my video in Russian: ua-cam.com/video/IarWlQ-zqZ4/v-deo.html. Here I explain this .
It's so refreshing to hear a well-balanced analysis. There's atheists out there (you know yourself, especially CultOfDusty) who are just as annoying and illogical as unquestioning Christians. Hey to be honest, it's easy to get emotional when what one grew up with is being challenged. But I really applaud you for your excellent approach, calm presentation, and focus on logic instead of demeaning words or emotions. I can focus on listening and learning instead of getting emotional or worked up.
Not to divert from the point of the videos, which is instructive, but these ambient synth tracks are amazing. They sort of sound like the soundtrack from the game Anachronox, or at least the soundtrack from Anachronox, but I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case.
In 1 Chronicles 3:15 it says ‘And the sons of Josi´ah were, the firstborn Jo´hanan, the second Jehoi´akim, the third Zedeki´ah, the fourth Shallum.’ The bible tells who the others sons of Josiah were and what happened to them. But who is Jo´hanan and what happened with Jo´hanan. On UA-cam I see a video that says that Jo´hanan is the Jeconiah, Matthew 1:11 is talking about. It says that Jo´hanan had it's name changed to Jeconiah. This Jeconiah had brethren (plural) This Jeconiah had also a son called Shealtiel. This Shealtiel (not Pedaiah) had a son called Zerubabel And it's this Zerubabel who receives the ring when God lifted the curse of Jeconiah. The video continues with talking about the headstone by connecting Zecharia 4:7 with Acts 4:10 ua-cam.com/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/v-deo.html
Nice video. I like how fair you are to the opposition in stating that the curse of Jeconiah can be interpreted to be repealed. But doesn't this conflict with either God's omnicience or honesty? I think a God who would curse an entire line of generations for something their ancestor did is unjust, but then to later change his mind anthropomorphizes him.
David Hoffman I think an even bigger issue is why are these Biblical curses even taken seriously in the first place? When I was growing up Catholic, I would have thought Christians wouldn't take superstitious beliefs like curses seriously. But things such as all these apologetics over the curse of Jeconiah and some Republicans praying imprecatory psalms against Obama showed me that I was wrong.
David Hoffman great point, and it's true. Although there are precedents in the bible where God "changes his mind". I hear arguments like, 'God did know that he'd change his mind, but he did what he did for the overall benefit/discipline of the humans involved', yadda yadda.
Khurram Aziz Lets see: God mad man in his own image, he walked and talked with Adam and Enoch, Cain walks away from the presence of God, he experienced regret at making humans, then later for trying to drown them all, he debates with angels whether he should tell Abraham his plans for Sodom and Gomorrah, he gets haggled down to 10 good men by the original Jew, he gets angry at the Israelites and regrets bringing them out of slavery, Moses calms him down right before he burns everyone off the face of the earth, he remembers his promises, he has hands, feet, a face, the earth his his footstool, he's disgusted by feces, he likes the smell of burnt offerings, he honors a promise that was made under false pretenses, he experiences love and hate, he is jealous of other gods, he makes plans and when he reveals the future he keeps back crucial info from his enemies, he tests people and asks them questions, etc.... God is very human, and since he thinks eating and sacrificing unclean animals is detestable, he rests on the Sabbath, he negotiates, and his holy city is Jerusalem, we even know his ethnicity: God is Jewish.
Why God did something its not for us to judge. It specifically said in the Torah that God is not a man so we can understand His ways. 19God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill? יטלֹ֣א אִ֥ישׁ אֵל֙ וִֽיכַזֵּ֔ב וּבֶן־אָדָ֖ם וְיִתְנֶחָ֑ם הַה֤וּא אָמַר֙ וְלֹ֣א יַֽעֲשֶׂ֔ה וְדִבֶּ֖ר וְלֹ֥א יְקִימֶֽנָּה:
@@rawman909 Hi. To clarify my position, I don't believe in God. What I was doing is called "internal critique" which is showing that the stories or doctrines are not internally consistent, and can thus be dismissed. As a non-believer, I won't be persuaded to not ask questions or evaluate the stories and doctrines in the Bible merely by being told that the biblical authors wrote that it is wrong to do so. You say "Why God did something [is] not for us to judge." Why not? We have brains, and we have the ability to evaluate the things that we see and hear and must do so to function in life. Why should our understanding of God and the Bible be any different? "God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?" First of all, Balaam wasn't saying that God is hard to understand. He clearly said that God keeps his word and doesn't change his mind. This idea is echoed in 1st Samuel 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.” Of course 5 verses later we find that God does change his mind: 1st Samuel 15:35 "Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel." And also Genesis 6:6 "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." Jeremiah 26:13 "Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you." 1st Chronicles 21:15 "And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite." Joel 2:13 "And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil." And Exodus 32:9-14 "And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation." [... Moses pleads with God... Then] 14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." As we can see, the idea presented in Numbers 23:19 is contradicted by numerous other verses. But even if it weren't, why should anyone not evaluate the scriptures and what they say about God? Thanks.
Mary is of Judah as her own Father Joseph, and her Husband Joseph was as well... She had not committed Adultery being still a virgin - so would the Children from her not be of Joseph by law and be considered of the tribe of Judah? Sounds like people had no issue in calling Jesus the Son of Joseph and the Son of Dawid at the time he walked the earth....
On the contrary, during my several years of being involved with and learning about and from a Messianic Congregation, with a Messianic Jewish Rabbi and all, I was told that it is their custom that because the birth mother is and was provable over who the father might be, their lineage is considered to be passed down through the mothers lineage. "Matrilineal Decent"
"Jesus could not fulfill the book of Isaiah for the reason that his line of David is not from the stump of Jesse. The line of Jesus is from the felled ancestral tree of Jesse." Isaiah refers to the “stump” of Jesse who is the father of King David as a prophetic announcement of the banishment of King Jeconia and all of his descendants from ever sitting on the throne of David. The ancestral tree of Jesse through King David and King Solomon is cut down leaving only an ancestral tree stump. The cutting down of the line of the Kings of Judah is the ancestral tree of David forbidden to ever rule over Judah in Jerusalem again. It is the line of heirs in the first chapter of the book of Matthew of the New Testament, the line of Jesus. The tree felled leaving only a stump. G-d did not banish this line of Jesse of the Kings of Judah until long after the death of Isaiah. G-d knew in Isaiah’s time that the line of the Kings of Judah would be taken into exile and His Temple destroyed. That He would end that line leaving just a stump of Jesse for His anointed king messiah to be raised from. The line of Jesus given in the book of Matthew is the line of the Kings of Judah through King Jeconia that was exiled to Babylon and banished by G-d from ever ruling over Judah again. That is why the ancestral tree of Jesse the father of King David is referred to as the stump. Jesus could not fulfill the book of Isaiah for the reason that his line of David is not from the stump of Jesse. The line of Jesus is from the felled ancestral tree of Jesse. Isaiah 53 describes the twig of the stump of Jesse. Jesus cannot be the man described in Isaiah 53. The Twig, the True Line of King David keithmccartymccarty.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/the-twig-the-true-line-of-king-david/
Isaiah 11 King James Version (KJV) 11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
By chance do you have a video talking about the book of revelation? Because Jesus calls himself Lucifer. I recently found this and I was amazed! Isn't Lucifer the christian satan??
I haven't done any videos on Revelation specifically. Are you talking about a Morning Star reference? I'm a bit rusty on that one, but I don't think it's a straight-forward contradiction.
Discern4 Oh yes, that particular reference. I think there's a little confusion because Lucifer in the Hebrew means day/morning star. Jesus called himself the bright and morning star in Revelation, so I was wondering if he was saying that he was Lucifer, which would make him even lesser of a messiah than the other proofs show.
Read KJV . morning stars are angels n Jesus is the bright and morning star. Satan is fallen son of the morning n no longer with the angels that haven't fell
It's crystal clear why Jesus was born of a virgin. It's crystal clear that God informed us as such in Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14 Jesus is not connected to Jeconiah by blood. There's also passage in the Tanakh that says the Messiah cannot be descended from David on his mother's side. You asked, "what's the purpose of Matthew's genealogy if it can simply be dismissed?" The purpose of Matthew's genealogy is to show why Yeshua could not be king if he were really Joseph’s son. As for Solomon, Matthew traced the paternal line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan. In 1Chronicles 28:7 and 1Kings 9:4-9, where God speaks directly to Solomon, God makes it clear that in order for Solomon's line to continue in kingship they must never turn from God or serve other gods. God gave specific CONDITIONS! God tells Solomon he must observe all his decrees and laws, and then he will establish the royal throne over Israel forever, but Solomon clearly did not follow the counsel of God. Solomon had hundreds of wives and concubines and he frequently sinned against the commands of God. David did not have Solomon’s wisdom but Solomon did not have David’s heart for God, which is why King David is considered the standard by which all the future kings of Israel and Judah are judged, not Solomon. 1 Kings 11:3 3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart." 1 Kings 11:9 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not fully follow the Lord, as did his father David. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon." 9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice." In Deut. 17:14-20, God gives specific instructions to the king and Solomon broke every single rule listed in this text. The kings of Israel, which are to be chosen from among the brethren (not a foreigner) shall not: multiply horses for himself, nor shall he cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, since the LORD has said to you, ‘You shall never again return that way.’ multiply wives for himself, or else his heart will turn away greatly increase silver and gold for himself, in the form of heavy taxation and conscription of labor. Solomon broke all three of these. One final question. The author makes all of these points which are false. But for argument sake, let's say they're true. It is 2017. Let's say next week, a man shows up and claims to be the Messiah of Israel. How will you sir or any Rabbi prove His lineage? Where is the tribe of Judah? And will this man enter Ben Gurion International Airport on a donkey as Zechariah says?
_"The purpose of Matthew's genealogy is to show why Yeshua could not be king if he were really Joseph’s son."_ That's only speculation by apologists. Matthew says no such thing about his genealogy of Jesus being invalid. Every other genealogy in the bible is used to PROVE a person's ancestry, not disprove it. _"Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan"_ That's a desperate apologetic from Christians trying to harmonize the two genealogies. Luke's genealogy is not of Mary's lineage, and it clearly states that. Professor Bart Ehrman (a bible scholar fluent in Greek) writes: _"both genealogies are explicit: they are of Joseph"_ (The Bible, 2013) Even if it were of Mary, it would be irrelevant. The Messiah must be a descendant of David through his father's tribal lineage, not his mother's. The messiah must be from the tribe of Judah, just like David. Tribal lineage is not passed through the mother. _"God makes it clear that in order for Solomon's line to continue in kingship they must never turn from God or serve other gods."_ In 2 Samuel 7:12-16, God says that even if Solomon disobeys him, his throne will still continue forever: _"If he sins, I will correct and discipline him with the rod ... But my favor will not be taken from him as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from your sight. Your house and your kingdom will continue before me for all time, and your throne will be secure forever"_ _"How will you sir or any Rabbi prove His lineage? Where is the tribe of Judah?"_ My understanding is that Jews believe this will somehow be revealed by God at the time. I supposed it's similar to how Christians believe God revealed Jesus to be his son.
Hello Discern4 - Can you "DISCERN" this? Genesis 5:1-32 1 Chronicles 1:1-3 "Adam, Seth, Enosh, 2 Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, 3 Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah." Think these names are listed for fun? They're not! ADAM - MAN SETH - APPOINTED ENOSH - MORTAL KENAN - SORROW MAHALALEEL - THE GOD WHO IS TO BE PRAISED JARED - SHALL COME DOWN ENOCH - TEACHING METHUSELAH - HIS DEATH SHALL BRING LAMECH - DESPAIRING NOAH - REST or COMFORT Let's read: Man is appointed moral sorrow, but the God who is to be praised, shall come down, teaching, that His death shall bring the despairing comfort. 1.WHEN DID YHHVH COME DOWN TEACHING THAT HIS DEATH SHALL BRING THE DESPAIRING COMFORT?
Discern4 - Here are two more for you to "DISCERN." Proverbs 30:4 "4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, If you know?" Agur through Solomon initially asks four rhetorical questions. He actually answers the questions with a 5th question. 1.WHEN DID YHVH ASCEND INTO HEAVEN AND DESCEND FROM HEAVEN? 2.Based on question #6, WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME? Hosea 5:15 "15 I will return again to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.” YHVH is the speaker. He says, "I will return again to My place." In order for YHVH to return to His place, He must first leave His place. Only after leaving His place, could He return again to His place. The place of YHVH is in heaven. 1.When did YHVH leave heaven in order to return back to heaven? 2.YHVH continues by stating His leaving is CONDITIONAL! For He says, "Till they (Israel) acknowledge their offense." What offense? What specific guilt? 3.Apparently Israel will not freely confess this offense against YHVH. And apparently, the Jews do not seek His face. He says in their "affliction" they will earnestly seek Me." What affliction is YHVH referring to? Discern that!
Discern4 - I'll skip the aforementioned for awhile. Jesus is Him. There is no way to prove anyone else. The second temple had all Jewish genealogy records. The temple is gone. Here's another one for your "DISCERNMENT." Psalms 45:7-8 "7 Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 8 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. V.8 "therefore God, thy God..." WHAT? Huh? Come again! "therefore God, thy God"! The word God is given to two different persons! He is addressing God and after addressing God, He says another God will anoint this God! The first Elohim is being addressed and the second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim! 1.Go on, "Discern4" it? Genesis 19:24 "24 Then the LORD caused to rain upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;" This says Jehovah #1 reigned fire and brimstone from a second Jehovah who was in heaven! The first Jehovah is on earth. The One who had been previously speaking to Abraham and appeared to him at the Oaks of Mamre warning Him of the coming destruction of Sodom...THAT JEHOVAH, who was on earth or Jehovah #1, was now reigning fire and brimstone from Jehovah #2 who was in heaven! We have the term Jehovah, the personal name of YHVH applied to two different persons. 1.Is Moses and David stupid? David has two Jehovah's in Psalms 45:7-8. Moses has two Jehovah's in Genesis 19:24. Who is stupid? Modern rabbi's or Moses and David?
Try considering since it's a virgin birth, then the whole blood of Jesus is of Mary... Then you will say, Mary is a Levite, so Jesus must also be a Levite... Not neccesarily, because the Jews thought Prophet John the Baptist (the Levite son of Prophet Zechariah the Levite) is the Messiah... So Prophet John the Baptist must be (somehow) the son of Prophet Solomon and of Prophet Aaron... Now it is proven that Mary is a Levite by calling her "the sister of Aaron, the Prophet" (Quran 19:28)... This can only mean that one of her ancestor (Levite), his wife must have married a Jew earlier and had a son J, then the ancestor died and she married a Levite and had a son L... Hence J and L are brothers by the same mother... Then J took a wife but before the got any children, J died, so the wife married J's brother L as it is forbidden to marry anyone outside the family... Hence by Nature, the begotten son of a Levite but by the Law (of Deuteronomy 25:5) is the son of Jew... Begotten son of a Levite means he is a Levite, Son of Judah by Law makes him the Messiah...
According to the bible, the jews asked John the Baptist if he was the messiah, Elijah or “the prophet”. John said no to all three. If the jews were sure that John was the messiah, why did they ask if he was the other people as well? He can’t be all three. Their evidence must not have been strong if they're wondering if he is three different people. As for Mary being a Levite, the bible says Mary’s relative was a Levite, but that’s as close as it gets. The Quran cannot be used as reliable supporting evidence for Mary's tribe, because the Quran was written some 600 years later. However Mary's lineage still doesn’t matter: Jewish tribal lineage is transferred from father to son. It doesn’t matter what tribe the mother is, the child always takes on the tribal lineage of the father.
There are two royal houses of judah. After the truth was rejected by the decendants Perez, it was transferred to the house of Zerah. The barren gentile woman. Or seed of the woman which are those who believe by faith. The type in the OT and the red scarlet cord wrapped around the child's wrist at birth. Those decendats of the gentile woman.
Daniel 9:24-27 proves the messiah HAD to come before the end of the 70th Shabua. If some groups don't believe he did, then he never will and we can all go party cuz tomorrow we die!!
If that verse were true, that creation itself is proof of God, then every scientist in the field would be telling us God is real. God seems to try extremely hard to make his creation look like evolution and other natural processes.
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I'm not a christian. I do understand what I was told about evolution, I was taught in 4th grade and had it pounded into my head until just about the end of high school. That doesn't mean I believe everything I'm told, otherwise I'd still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. I understand the idea of branching evolutionary traits and to be honest, I just don't buy it. Science has been making crap up as they go for quite a while now. Cross breeding does not prove evolution, it proves that you can breed plants with different races of plants. You can breed a plum with an apricot, which is akin to breeding a black guy with a white girl. However, you cannot breed a carrot with either a plum or an apricot because that's like saying that a person can bang a dog and pop out a mix. It won't happen without genetic modification, in which case you're changing the makeup, making it an altogether different creation. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I don't understand the concepts that people are telling me. I can regurgitate the same bullshit everybody else does, that doesn't mean it's true, which is why I look at everything, including math and science with a skeptical eye. Theory's have changed for as long as people have been coming up with them. Archimedes didn't believe in gravity, he believed in density and buoyancy, and he lived over 2230 years ago. And before you say he didn't have the knowledge to come up with a theory like gravity, I would like to add that he was doing geometry and calculus (wrongly attributed to Newton) over 2230 years ago. Knowledge gets lost all the time, nobody figured out how to do calculus for quite a while after his death because almost nobody that knew him could even do half of the math he could. How can people pass that on without having a clue as to what any of it meant? They probably just tossed his research in the basement somewhere not even bothering to look into any of it because people are usually just that stupid.
Haha this is some bullshit twisted reasoning you are presenting. You said in one of your rebuttals that the Messiah should come from the father and Joseph being the father of Jesus disqualifies him as Messiah because of coniah's curse. That is the problem with your so-called reasoning. 1) Joseph isn't Jesus biological father. 2) if Jesus had an earthly biological father that disputes the virgin birth [Isa. 7:14] as well as disqualifies him as God. You say scripture does not say heli as the father of Mary... true, BUT it does not explicitly say he is not either. Genesis 3 says the seed of the woman. Everyone knows the seed comes from the male or the father. Now how can scripture refer to the seed of the woman? it is because the Messiah will come through supernatural means and require no seed from any man thus explaining the obvious which is the virgin birth. Next time do your homework - you are either sloppy or you have an agenda.
Matthew omits at least 4 names from his genealogy of Jesus, probably to make a convenient list of groups of 14 (Matt 1:17). Compare: Matthew's genealogy: Manasseh > Amon > Josiah > Jeconiah > Shealtiel Original genealogy in 1 Chronicles 3: Manasseh > Amon > Josiah > *Jehoiakim* > Jeconiah > Shealtiel See my video "Missing Names in Matthew": ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html
God's word was broken when the 'scepter' (royal line) was removed about 600 years before Christ: the Babylonians invaded and sent the last jewish king and his people into exile. There has not been a king of Israel/Judah since then. This was centuries before Jesus was even born, so it's not as if Jesus came and took over from an existing king. The royal line was broken long before he was around. Israel was declared a state in 1948, and yet there's still no king. So the prophecy about there always being a descendant of Judah ruling over Israel until the messiah comes, is a flop.
Discern4 so then we come to a decision that needs to be made If we believe God’s word has been broken. Option 1: God either does not exist or He is not omniscient. Or Option 2: Our understanding of this scripture in incorrect and needs to be altered. Which of these two opinions are you of?
Jeconiah the son of Jehoaikim is not Jeconiah the son of Josiah. Jeconiah the son of Jehoaikim has a Descendent Zerubabel through Pediah. The Ancester of Jesus Jeconiah the Son of Josiah, has a descendent Zerubabel through a Shealteal...not Pediah...different individuals.
As mentioned in my other reply, see my video "Missing Names in Matthew": ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html We're talking about the same genealogy, Matthew simply omitted some names. As for the Pediah issue, it depends which Old Testament manuscript you read. There is a Septuagint version of Chronicles that states that Shealtiel's son *is* Zerubbabel (this is mentioned in the video link)
Kelly or Richard Weddle Yes, but if I were a believer and someone told me it was just mythology, it would be water off a duck's back. I'm approaching this on their own playing field.
+Discern4 "it rains, upon my flight, with feathers" as Nichita beautifully said it. have you ever thought of the existence of God beyond the bible/scriptures occurrence/imperfections? after all, it's a matter of feeling and faith, not of a proof one, isn't it? can't you feel there is a God?
the truth behind a math equation may be plain for some and a mystery for others. do you know exactly what kind of a proof do you want from God? the supreme one? maybe you'll have it some day, there's plenty of time in front of us. but...just wondering, have you ever think of a tiny effort from yourself to see around somehow? as i know, all the proofs in the earth's science came up after some (re)searching. i bet you believe a scientist telling you the hadron is real; could you believe a person telling you that God is real?
In the end of the day whatever this video may convey Jesus is risen from the dead and sitting in the right side in the throne of God, if u have felt God presence in your life and the voice of the Holy Spirit and the answer is yes well it’s over what more proof or theological knowledge do u want ? Let’s be doers of the scriptures than just readers of it ...
Nowhere is it stated that way.Mark might have just given the perception of the people.Take the matthew Geneology The word begot is useduntil zJoseph only Luke says that Jesus was supposed to be the so of JosephThe word begot is not there
You say that like it's not the whole point of putting the genealogy there to show how Jesus is a biological descendant of David and therefore qualified to be the Messiah.
So here's a conversation that totally took place (like for real) A guy walks up to Jesus and the court reporter in the middle of the night and without saying hi or introducing himself faced the audience and said “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus replied "Uhh... did you have a question? Nice to meet you too." Jesus then faced the audience and said in a loud voice “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." The stranger then faced Jesus and said "WTF? How can someone be born when they are old? Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” Jesus, still facing the audience, then answered and said “Very, very, extremely, for realz, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" The stranger then said "but how... " The wind blows wherever it pleases." Jesus answered. "You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” “How can this be?” The stranger asked. “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, now facing the stranger “and do you not understand these things? I just explained it to you!!! Look, it's a metaphor OK? You don't have to literally be born twice." The stranger asked "How did you know I was Israel's Teacher?" Jesus faced the audience again and shouted " Look, I really, really, truly tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" "But rabbi" The stranger said, "You just said 'spirit gives birth to spirit'..." No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man." "but rabbi what about Enoch and Elij..." "just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but" "Hold on a second you guys" The court reporter said, "I need time to catch up." Afterward, Jesus finished his paragraph and then they all walked away without saying another word. The end. You all believe this really happened don't you?
Great Job keep up the Good work but also keep in mind who is this So called God you still hold Dear? Osiris Rah Set Horus these are all Anunnaki Slave Drivers from Ancient times all are Dead now and nothing but Evil Spirits feeding on the Living
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Very well put. Thank you for your work!
fowlfables thanks!
***** That was it! Your astute observation of the inadequecy of my intellect has changed my mind regarding the fables of your favored holy book! Oh, but if only someone had shown me such prejudicial projection and insult earlier in life; I would never have strayed into the horrible cult of atheism, and would have remained part of the flock of unquestioning believers.
(Wait. I think my sarcasm button got stuck. There we go; fixed it.)
Your excuse is lame, and your rude evaluation of my support for the criticisms in the video is just pathetic. I'm glad to see you "loving your enemy" as directly commanded in the scripture you so love.
Please, show us more of this hypocritical stance. I'm sure you'll earn plenty of heaven points and Jesus juice to satiate your blind hatred, and it will surely bring us so very much closer to believing in your god. (Darn, that sarcasm just won't stop. Really need to get that thing fixed.)
***** Ah, insult laden superiority complex. Such eloquence. So convincing. Really expresses the love, the care, and gets to the heart of the Christian message.
You must be psychic, because you know me better than myself! Either that, or you simply don't give a fuck and prefer to fight strawmen rather than real people. Tell me: what is my profession, my opinion on politics, or my marital status? Surely, someone who knows what I believe and understand, such as yourself, could easily describe such things.
Name calling and assertions without supporting evidence are not corrections. It is immature to spout such things. Your fit is adorable. Please do not think I am so low as to fall to your level.
Do you find trolling to be effective at spreading the Gospel?
***** It seems you aren't comprehending my repsonses to you. You see, your blathering is beyond pointless, and I really don't care about your pitiful point regarding the Bible. What I'm getting at is that you are not being productive in your attempt to belittle, and calling people stupid does not make people want to listen to you.
*You are a troll.* You came here without a mission of education, instruction, or communication. Your entire message is one of frustration and attempted emotional triggering. You are pathetic, and you give your religion a bad name in the process. Considering how directly against scripture it is to push people away from the Gospel, I'm fairly certain this means you aren't getting to your imaginary heaven with your attitude.
*You are not worth my time.*
Kindly fuck off, you pitful twat. I do not wish to entertain "your kind" any longer.
I will no longer allow you to respond on this thread. I have blocked you from further contacting me.
Discern4 My patience has worn thin with trolls. Probably why I don't make videos. How do you deal with it?
Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe Hebrews 6&7 answer the conundrum you appear to be facing regarding this:
Hebrews 7:
1 ¶ For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, met Abraham and blessed him as he returned from defeating the kings,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means king of righteousness, then also, king of Salem, meaning king of peace.
3 Without father, mother, or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
4 ¶ Now consider how great this man was: even Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the plunder to him.
5 The sons of Levi who receive the priestly office have a command according to the law to collect a tenth from the people - that is, from their brothers and sisters - though they have also descended from Abraham.
6 But one without thisfn lineage collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises.
7 Without a doubt, the inferior is blessed by the superior.
8 In the one case, men who will die receive a tenth, but in the other case, Scripture testifies that he lives.
9 And in a sense Levi himself, who receives a tenth, has paid a tenth through Abraham,
10 for he was still within his ancestorfn when Melchizedek met him.
11 ¶ Now if perfection came through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to appear, said to be according to the order of Melchizedek and not according to the order of Aaron?
12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must be a change of law as well.
13 For the one these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
14 Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
15 ¶ And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
16 who did not become a priest based on a legal regulation about physicalfn descent but based on the power of an indestructible life.
17 For it has been testified: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
18 ¶ So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
19 (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
20 ¶ None of this happened without an oath. For others became priests without an oath,
21 but he became a priest with an oath made by the one who said to him: The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever.”
22 ¶ Because of this oath, Jesus has also become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23 ¶ Now many have become Levitical priests, since they are prevented by death from remaining in office.
24 But because he remains forever, he holds his priesthood permanently.
25 Therefore, he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, since he always lives to intercede for them.
26 ¶ For this is the kind of high priest we need: holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
27 He doesn’t need to offer sacrifices every day, as high priests do - first for their own sins, then for those of the people. He did this once for all time when he offered himself.
28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak, but the promise of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son, who has been perfected forever.
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I would like to kindly bring some questions:
in Haggai 2: 20-23, it would seem that Zerubbabel is the son of Shealtiel but in 1 chronicles 3:19 he would result that Zerubbabel is instead a son of Pedaiah.
What do you say about this contradiction.
If God had cursed Jehoiakim and all his descendants (I insist on all) in Jeremiah 36: 30-31, it is possible that he then changes his mind and rehabilitates Zerubbabel in Haggai 2: 20-23.????
What god would it be?
What happened to his omniscience?
Honestly it's a huge mess. All this seems to me quite ridiculous.
In 1 Chronicles 3, Zerubbabel is the son of Pedaiah who is the son of Jeconiah. So it's the same family line, although Haggai does not mention Pedaiah in between.
And yes, you're right, if God knew that he'd change his mind about Jeconiah's descendants, why did his curse his whole family line to begin with? It doesn't make sense if God is supposed to be omniscient. But personally, I think God's omniscience was a later addition to God's character.
Haggai is addressing Zerrubabel the descendent of Shealtiel.
The Curse applies to Zerrubabel the son of Pediah.
@@Discern4 Dis, the Nature of God allows for God to be God. He is not a mere man, but greater.
It is consistent within the Torah.
God was set to destroy the Hebrews but relented with Moses.
God was set to punish Israel for David but relented.
God lwt Hezekiah know he would die but then relented and gave him 15 more years.
God being Sovereign, is Sovereign.
So for God to have mercy on Pediahs son would be consistent.
But That is not what happened.
God Approved of Shealtiels Son. Two different individuals.
@@travisdempster4693 - As mentioned in other comments, there is a Septuagint version of 1 Chronicles that lists Zerubbabel as the son of Shealtiel. So again, it appears Haggai is talking about the same people listed in Chronicles and Matthew.
See my video "Missing Names in Matthew": ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html
We are shown a God who does change zHis mind to punish somebody if he repents God does not punish or withold punishment accordig to what he sees in the future But on what the person has actually done.Otherwise the punishment would have no sense
If you cannot believe Jesus to be the messiah according to what the scriptures say, then your scriptures are false scriptures. Because, now there is no throne of David and there is no king on it. So what you believe is utter waste. According to your scriptures, David's throne is everlasting... but there is no more the throne of David in this world now... so your scriptures are false, so why believe in your scriptures? But, because of Jesus, still the throne of David exists and He is sitting as the King in the hearts of many in this world. Everything becomes possible only in Jesus Christ, or else all falls flat on face. Jewish scriptures are believed still in this world because of Jesus and if not they are not true words of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of Man and Son of God... because He is 'the Last' , ' the Omega' . He came after Man. When God started to create , He was there in the beginning to become the ' first' through Him all was made. But how He became the Last? Jesus is Son of Man, coming after Man, so He is the Last. God is the First and the Last. Your logic fails your scriptures, but love for Jesus makes the same scriptures come alive. Jesus Christ is the Truth and our God and our Messiah.
Rekha Kottamasi said "because of Jesus, still the throne of David exists"
How? To sit on the throne of David, your biological father must come from the tribe of Judah. According to the scriptures, Jesus did not have an earthly father.
Discern4 You must understand that in Bible, God says He will not give His glory to any other. How can you expect a mere man to sit as an Everlasting King on the throne of David. God gave the Israel its kings because they insisted to have one from among the people, because they did not consider God as their king. Then God said to the Prophet Samuel, that His people have rejected Him by asking for a king. So God wants to be their king and they wanted a man as their king. So how can God be their king? God became man to become that promised man who will be the Everlasting King. Now how can God have earthly father? Do you know that life of every flesh is in it's blood as written in bible, Leviticus. As told in John chapter 1, the Word of God, who is God became flesh and left his glory above and came down. Now how can flesh have life on this earth? The life of mankind was losing its life because of sins. But, God wanted to bless that life of Man for ever. So when this blood of David through Mary entered the flesh of Jesus, Jesus became the Son of Man and Son of God simultaneously. God dwelt among His people as prophesied in Zachariah chapters. Jesus gave every drop of His blood as an atonement for all of our sins. You need to understand that God in bible through His prophets has many times told that He will come as a Man to deliver His people. But, God in His mercy as chosen even the gentiles to become His people as told by His prophets in the Bible. Now, whether His people or the gentiles, can come to God only if they are Holy and righteous as the prerequisite. You can be Holy and righteous only if you are under God's rule. When you are expecting a mortal man to be an Everlasting king, and do not understand that God wants to be ur king, you are not having faith in God! How can any man become the Everlasting king? You must also understand that Man was created in the image of God. So when He appeared as a Man on this earth, many could not recognize Him. When the scriptures says, God is the First and the Last, we can understand the God is the First and the beginning, but how is He also the Last and the End? God is First because we were made by Him, through Him, and how is He going to be the Last? This is creation account in Genesis... Woman was the last thing to be created and God rested after that. After the sin was committed, Adam and Eve had to leave the God's own garden. Now God is the Last also... but how is He the Last? When He came and combined Himself again with His creation, He did a new thing. This Time He Himself chooses to be created Last. A new State of God. Becoming the Last. Jesus Christ is that New state of God Himself. The Son of God! But He is also the Son of Man, coming after Man, to become the Last. God is in the process of forgiving everyone who trusts in Him... all the sins can be forgiven by God where He can nullify the curses also. God is good to do good than evil. He wants to forgive all. He has done it in bible and will do it always. God choose to come in that line, so that the curse can turn into blessings. Did not God spare the sinners and forgave if they repented sincerely?
@@Discern4 Discern where does the scripture say "your biological father" i have never read that.
And you seem to miss the Levitical Law as it applies to Hebrews.
@@travisdempster4693 - Reference to Jewish tribal lineage through the father:
_"Then they registered by ancestry in their families, by their fathers' households"_ Numbers 1:18
Mentioned by Jewish rabbis:
_"Tribal status in Judaism goes solely by the birth father"_
Rabbi David Sedley
www.jewishanswers.org/index.php?p=1586
_"Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not the mother"_
Rabbi Shraga Simmons
www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
in chapter 9 the angel tells that there are 70 weeks determined for Jewish people. I always thought that the angel meat the first 70 weeks. But one day I was reading chapter 12 and when I read such words:" As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end" it struck me. The angel made it very clear that the book can be understood only in the times of the end. Therefore he definitely meant the last 70 weeks, that is 490 years. In the chapter it is said that the messiah should appear 483 years after the issuing of the word to restore Jersalem. This word went out in 1535. 1535 +483=2018. And final week will will last till the new era in 2025. Yet in 2003 when I was 15 after reading final words in chapter 12 I conted 2625(1290+1335) from 607 BC (cessation of the sacrifice) as thought at that time and I got 2019. But later I understood that the year is 608. Jeremiah predicted that Jerusalem will be oppressed by Babylon for 70 years. In 538 BC Cyrus decreed that Jews returned to their land. It's obvious that 70- year period ended then. 538+70=608. Daniel was captured in 608 unlike historians say that it happened in 605. 607 is the year according to Jehovah's witnesses. They are mistaken also. We have one more number 2300 in chapter 8. I was very sceptical about it first for there is an abyss there. There is a prediction about the division of Greek kingdom in foour. And suddenly the chapter starts telling about some villain who would rule in the end of times and should be destroyes by God (not by hand). If we count 2300 years from 281 we get at 2020. 281 BC is the year Seleucus dies. He was the only one left of the four between whom Macedoniam Empire was divided. He was the king of the north. But there is more. From 1535 there are 49 years(7 weeks) then we have 364 to 1948 (creation of Israel) and then - 70 weeks to 2018 (1535+483). Remains one week till 2025 (1535+490). In the book of Enoch and the book of Jubelees there is a lot about 364 days. According to this books a year should have exactly 364 days. The fallibility of this calendar can be fixed by adding every seven years seven days. (364*7=2448 2448+7). Then we should add extra seven days every 49 years and then every 70 years. Thus we have the following numbers:49, 364, 70 and 7. 1535+(49)+(364)+(70)+(7). The biblical "day for a year" principle is used. But there is even more. Thus we a year had 2555 days.(364*7+7), If we cound 2555 from 538 when Cyrus decreed that Jews returned, we arrive at 2018 one more time. when I noticed it I was stunned. If this is a coincidence then I'm Santa Claus. And the last thing that killed me was: 2625 - 2555=70. What do you think about it. I understood a long time ago that Jesus was not the messiah. Here is my video in Russian: ua-cam.com/video/IarWlQ-zqZ4/v-deo.html. Here I explain this .
Well? Did the Messiah come in 2018 like you predicted? Is he a five year old boy right now?
It's so refreshing to hear a well-balanced analysis. There's atheists out there (you know yourself, especially CultOfDusty) who are just as annoying and illogical as unquestioning Christians. Hey to be honest, it's easy to get emotional when what one grew up with is being challenged. But I really applaud you for your excellent approach, calm presentation, and focus on logic instead of demeaning words or emotions. I can focus on listening and learning instead of getting emotional or worked up.
New Flash…. Matthew isn’t recounting a genealogy of Messiah.
Not to divert from the point of the videos, which is instructive, but these ambient synth tracks are amazing. They sort of sound like the soundtrack from the game Anachronox, or at least the soundtrack from Anachronox, but I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case.
The real question is: Is it the first curse Yeshua overcome? In His genealogy, there are so many... Halleluyah!
In 1 Chronicles 3:15 it says
‘And the sons of Josi´ah were, the firstborn Jo´hanan, the second Jehoi´akim, the third Zedeki´ah, the fourth Shallum.’
The bible tells who the others sons of Josiah were and what happened to them.
But who is Jo´hanan and what happened with Jo´hanan.
On UA-cam I see a video that says that Jo´hanan is the Jeconiah, Matthew 1:11 is talking about.
It says that Jo´hanan had it's name changed to Jeconiah.
This Jeconiah had brethren (plural)
This Jeconiah had also a son called Shealtiel.
This Shealtiel (not Pedaiah) had a son called Zerubabel
And it's this Zerubabel who receives the ring when God lifted the curse of Jeconiah.
The video continues with talking about the headstone by connecting Zecharia 4:7 with Acts 4:10
ua-cam.com/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/v-deo.html
If you trust Matthew over 1 Chronicles you could speculate that
Nice video. I like how fair you are to the opposition in stating that the curse of Jeconiah can be interpreted to be repealed. But doesn't this conflict with either God's omnicience or honesty? I think a God who would curse an entire line of generations for something their ancestor did is unjust, but then to later change his mind anthropomorphizes him.
David Hoffman I think an even bigger issue is why are these Biblical curses even taken seriously in the first place? When I was growing up Catholic, I would have thought Christians wouldn't take superstitious beliefs like curses seriously. But things such as all these apologetics over the curse of Jeconiah and some Republicans praying imprecatory psalms against Obama showed me that I was wrong.
David Hoffman great point, and it's true. Although there are precedents in the bible where God "changes his mind". I hear arguments like, 'God did know that he'd change his mind, but he did what he did for the overall benefit/discipline of the humans involved', yadda yadda.
Khurram Aziz Lets see: God mad man in his own image, he walked and talked with Adam and Enoch, Cain walks away from the presence of God, he experienced regret at making humans, then later for trying to drown them all, he debates with angels whether he should tell Abraham his plans for Sodom and Gomorrah, he gets haggled down to 10 good men by the original Jew, he gets angry at the Israelites and regrets bringing them out of slavery, Moses calms him down right before he burns everyone off the face of the earth, he remembers his promises, he has hands, feet, a face, the earth his his footstool, he's disgusted by feces, he likes the smell of burnt offerings, he honors a promise that was made under false pretenses, he experiences love and hate, he is jealous of other gods, he makes plans and when he reveals the future he keeps back crucial info from his enemies, he tests people and asks them questions, etc.... God is very human, and since he thinks eating and sacrificing unclean animals is detestable, he rests on the Sabbath, he negotiates, and his holy city is Jerusalem, we even know his ethnicity: God is Jewish.
Why God did something its not for us to judge. It specifically said in the Torah that God is not a man so we can understand His ways.
19God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill? יטלֹ֣א אִ֥ישׁ אֵל֙ וִֽיכַזֵּ֔ב וּבֶן־אָדָ֖ם וְיִתְנֶחָ֑ם הַה֤וּא אָמַר֙ וְלֹ֣א יַֽעֲשֶׂ֔ה וְדִבֶּ֖ר וְלֹ֥א יְקִימֶֽנָּה:
@@rawman909 Hi. To clarify my position, I don't believe in God. What I was doing is called "internal critique" which is showing that the stories or doctrines are not internally consistent, and can thus be dismissed. As a non-believer, I won't be persuaded to not ask questions or evaluate the stories and doctrines in the Bible merely by being told that the biblical authors wrote that it is wrong to do so.
You say "Why God did something [is] not for us to judge." Why not? We have brains, and we have the ability to evaluate the things that we see and hear and must do so to function in life. Why should our understanding of God and the Bible be any different?
"God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?" First of all, Balaam wasn't saying that God is hard to understand. He clearly said that God keeps his word and doesn't change his mind. This idea is echoed in 1st Samuel 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.”
Of course 5 verses later we find that God does change his mind: 1st Samuel 15:35 "Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel." And also Genesis 6:6 "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled."
Jeremiah 26:13 "Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you."
1st Chronicles 21:15 "And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."
Joel 2:13 "And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil."
And Exodus 32:9-14 "And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation."
[... Moses pleads with God...
Then]
14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
As we can see, the idea presented in Numbers 23:19 is contradicted by numerous other verses. But even if it weren't, why should anyone not evaluate the scriptures and what they say about God?
Thanks.
Why doesn't John 3:16 say the name of Jesus or the Bible saying that the Virgin birth is Immanuel.
It's not a reversal of the curse. It's a different Jeconiah.
Sure 😄
Mary is of Judah as her own Father Joseph, and her Husband Joseph was as well...
She had not committed Adultery being still a virgin - so would the Children from her not be of Joseph by law and be considered of the tribe of Judah? Sounds like people had no issue in calling Jesus the Son of Joseph and the Son of Dawid at the time he walked the earth....
Anders Erichsen read Hebrews 6 and 7 from the last 10 verses in 6 through 7. The point is moot. God doesn’t follow Jewish law. Jews follow God’s law.
If Jesus of the NT is not of the tribe of Judah, which tribe is he of then?
The tribe of lucifer.
@@w.pready5157 so are you saying there's no Jesus
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The curse was lifted latter due to repentance. Look it up. You should know that
On the contrary, during my several years of being involved with and learning about and from a Messianic Congregation, with a Messianic Jewish Rabbi and all, I was told that it is their custom that because the birth mother is and was provable over who the father might be, their lineage is considered to be passed down through the mothers lineage. "Matrilineal Decent"
"Jesus could not fulfill the book of Isaiah for the reason that his line of David is not from the stump of Jesse. The line of Jesus is from the felled ancestral tree of Jesse."
Isaiah refers to the “stump” of Jesse who is the father of King David as a prophetic announcement of the banishment of King Jeconia and all of his descendants from ever sitting on the throne of David. The ancestral tree of Jesse through King David and King Solomon is cut down leaving only an ancestral tree stump.
The cutting down of the line of the Kings of Judah is the ancestral tree of David forbidden to ever rule over Judah in Jerusalem again. It is the line of heirs in the first chapter of the book of Matthew of the New Testament, the line of Jesus. The tree felled leaving only a stump.
G-d did not banish this line of Jesse of the Kings of Judah until long after the death of Isaiah. G-d knew in Isaiah’s time that the line of the Kings of Judah would be taken into exile and His Temple destroyed. That He would end that line leaving just a stump of Jesse for His anointed king messiah to be raised from.
The line of Jesus given in the book of Matthew is the line of the Kings of Judah through King Jeconia that was exiled to Babylon and banished by G-d from ever ruling over Judah again. That is why the ancestral tree of Jesse the father of King David is referred to as the stump.
Jesus could not fulfill the book of Isaiah for the reason that his line of David is not from the stump of Jesse. The line of Jesus is from the felled ancestral tree of Jesse.
Isaiah 53 describes the twig of the stump of Jesse. Jesus cannot be the man described in Isaiah 53.
The Twig, the True Line of King David keithmccartymccarty.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/the-twig-the-true-line-of-king-david/
There are two different jeconiahs
Luke 2:34 JESUS WILL MAKE MANY TO FALL....
Fall and rise...meaning the ones of the darkness who are in power will fall and the ones who follow him will rise
It seems that the "curse" never went into effect. If it did, there would be no opportunity to lift it.
Isaiah 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
Good job. I pray for all people to wake up
The curse was lifted , and he wasn’t born of Joseph
By chance do you have a video talking about the book of revelation? Because Jesus calls himself Lucifer. I recently found this and I was amazed! Isn't Lucifer the christian satan??
I haven't done any videos on Revelation specifically. Are you talking about a Morning Star reference? I'm a bit rusty on that one, but I don't think it's a straight-forward contradiction.
Discern4 Oh yes, that particular reference. I think there's a little confusion because Lucifer in the Hebrew means day/morning star. Jesus called himself the bright and morning star in Revelation, so I was wondering if he was saying that he was Lucifer, which would make him even lesser of a messiah than the other proofs show.
@@balafranklin7398 yeah I think the NIV version on the bible says that, the NIV is nonsense there are allot of add and take away from that version
The two are not the same.
Read KJV . morning stars are angels n Jesus is the bright and morning star. Satan is fallen son of the morning n no longer with the angels that haven't fell
Now I understand the term, "Jews for Jesus." Those who are Jewish and believe the Christian apologists. Good video, thanks.
innerlocus Yes, and I think the more generic term is "messianic Jew". They are Jews who believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
It's crystal clear why Jesus was born of a virgin.
It's crystal clear that God informed us as such in Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14
Jesus is not connected to Jeconiah by blood.
There's also passage in the Tanakh that says the Messiah cannot be descended from David on his mother's side.
You asked, "what's the purpose of Matthew's genealogy if it can simply be dismissed?" The purpose of Matthew's genealogy is to show why Yeshua could not be king if he were really Joseph’s son.
As for Solomon, Matthew traced the paternal line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan. In 1Chronicles 28:7 and 1Kings 9:4-9, where God speaks directly to Solomon, God makes it clear that in order for Solomon's line to continue in kingship they must never turn from God or serve other gods. God gave specific CONDITIONS! God tells Solomon he must observe all his decrees and laws, and then he will establish the royal throne over Israel forever, but Solomon clearly did not follow the counsel of God. Solomon had hundreds of wives and concubines and he frequently sinned against the commands of God. David did not have Solomon’s wisdom but Solomon did not have David’s heart for God, which is why King David is considered the standard by which all the future kings of Israel and Judah are judged, not Solomon.
1 Kings 11:3
3 He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart."
1 Kings 11:9
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not fully follow the Lord, as did his father David. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon."
9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice."
In Deut. 17:14-20, God gives specific instructions to the king and Solomon broke every single rule listed in this text. The kings of Israel, which are to be chosen from among the brethren (not a foreigner) shall not:
multiply horses for himself, nor shall he cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, since the LORD has said to you, ‘You shall never again return that way.’
multiply wives for himself, or else his heart will turn away
greatly increase silver and gold for himself, in the form of heavy taxation and conscription of labor.
Solomon broke all three of these.
One final question. The author makes all of these points which are false. But for argument sake, let's say they're true. It is 2017. Let's say next week, a man shows up and claims to be the Messiah of Israel. How will you sir or any Rabbi prove His lineage? Where is the tribe of Judah? And will this man enter Ben Gurion International Airport on a donkey as Zechariah says?
_"The purpose of Matthew's genealogy is to show why Yeshua could not be king if he were really Joseph’s son."_
That's only speculation by apologists. Matthew says no such thing about his genealogy of Jesus being invalid. Every other genealogy in the bible is used to PROVE a person's ancestry, not disprove it.
_"Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan"_
That's a desperate apologetic from Christians trying to harmonize the two genealogies. Luke's genealogy is not of Mary's lineage, and it clearly states that. Professor Bart Ehrman (a bible scholar fluent in Greek) writes: _"both genealogies are explicit: they are of Joseph"_ (The Bible, 2013)
Even if it were of Mary, it would be irrelevant. The Messiah must be a descendant of David through his father's tribal lineage, not his mother's. The messiah must be from the tribe of Judah, just like David. Tribal lineage is not passed through the mother.
_"God makes it clear that in order for Solomon's line to continue in kingship they must never turn from God or serve other gods."_
In 2 Samuel 7:12-16, God says that even if Solomon disobeys him, his throne will still continue forever:
_"If he sins, I will correct and discipline him with the rod ... But my favor will not be taken from him as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from your sight. Your house and your kingdom will continue before me for all time, and your throne will be secure forever"_
_"How will you sir or any Rabbi prove His lineage? Where is the tribe of Judah?"_
My understanding is that Jews believe this will somehow be revealed by God at the time. I supposed it's similar to how Christians believe God revealed Jesus to be his son.
Hello Discern4 - Can you "DISCERN" this?
Genesis 5:1-32
1 Chronicles 1:1-3
"Adam, Seth, Enosh, 2 Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, 3 Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah." Think these names are listed for fun? They're not!
ADAM - MAN
SETH - APPOINTED
ENOSH - MORTAL
KENAN - SORROW
MAHALALEEL - THE GOD WHO IS TO BE PRAISED
JARED - SHALL COME DOWN
ENOCH - TEACHING
METHUSELAH - HIS DEATH SHALL BRING
LAMECH - DESPAIRING
NOAH - REST or COMFORT
Let's read:
Man is appointed moral sorrow, but the God who is to be praised, shall come down, teaching, that His death shall bring the despairing comfort.
1.WHEN DID YHHVH COME DOWN TEACHING THAT HIS DEATH SHALL BRING THE DESPAIRING COMFORT?
Discern4 - Here are two more for you to "DISCERN."
Proverbs 30:4
"4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son’s name,
If you know?"
Agur through Solomon initially asks four rhetorical questions. He actually answers the questions with a 5th question.
1.WHEN DID YHVH ASCEND INTO HEAVEN AND DESCEND FROM HEAVEN?
2.Based on question #6, WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME?
Hosea 5:15
"15 I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
YHVH is the speaker. He says, "I will return again to My place." In order for YHVH to return to His place, He must first leave His place. Only after leaving His place, could He return again to His place. The place of YHVH is in heaven.
1.When did YHVH leave heaven in order to return back to heaven?
2.YHVH continues by stating His leaving is CONDITIONAL! For He says, "Till they (Israel) acknowledge their offense."
What offense? What specific guilt?
3.Apparently Israel will not freely confess this offense against YHVH. And apparently, the Jews do not seek His face. He says in their "affliction" they will earnestly seek Me."
What affliction is YHVH referring to?
Discern that!
Discern4 - I'll skip the aforementioned for awhile. Jesus is Him. There is no way to prove anyone else. The second temple had all Jewish genealogy records. The temple is gone. Here's another one for your "DISCERNMENT."
Psalms 45:7-8
"7 Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
8 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness;
therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
V.8 "therefore God, thy God..." WHAT? Huh? Come again! "therefore God, thy God"! The word God is given to two different persons! He is addressing God and after addressing God, He says another God will anoint this God! The first Elohim is being addressed and the second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim!
1.Go on, "Discern4" it?
Genesis 19:24
"24 Then the LORD caused to rain upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;"
This says Jehovah #1 reigned fire and brimstone from a second Jehovah who was in heaven! The first Jehovah is on earth. The One who had been previously speaking to Abraham and appeared to him at the Oaks of Mamre warning Him of the coming destruction of Sodom...THAT JEHOVAH, who was on earth or Jehovah #1, was now reigning fire and brimstone from Jehovah #2 who was in heaven! We have the term Jehovah, the personal name of YHVH applied to two different persons.
1.Is Moses and David stupid? David has two Jehovah's in Psalms 45:7-8. Moses has two Jehovah's in Genesis 19:24. Who is stupid? Modern rabbi's or Moses and David?
Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to do with a messiah or a virgin birth neither does Genesis 3:15
Try considering since it's a virgin birth, then the whole blood of Jesus is of Mary... Then you will say, Mary is a Levite, so Jesus must also be a Levite...
Not neccesarily, because the Jews thought Prophet John the Baptist (the Levite son of Prophet Zechariah the Levite) is the Messiah... So Prophet John the Baptist must be (somehow) the son of Prophet Solomon and of Prophet Aaron...
Now it is proven that Mary is a Levite by calling her "the sister of Aaron, the Prophet" (Quran 19:28)...
This can only mean that one of her ancestor (Levite), his wife must have married a Jew earlier and had a son J, then the ancestor died and she married a Levite and had a son L... Hence J and L are brothers by the same mother...
Then J took a wife but before the got any children, J died, so the wife married J's brother L as it is forbidden to marry anyone outside the family...
Hence by Nature, the begotten son of a Levite but by the Law (of Deuteronomy 25:5) is the son of Jew...
Begotten son of a Levite means he is a Levite,
Son of Judah by Law makes him the Messiah...
According to the bible, the jews asked John the Baptist if he was the messiah, Elijah or “the prophet”. John said no to all three. If the jews were sure that John was the messiah, why did they ask if he was the other people as well? He can’t be all three. Their evidence must not have been strong if they're wondering if he is three different people.
As for Mary being a Levite, the bible says Mary’s relative was a Levite, but that’s as close as it gets. The Quran cannot be used as reliable supporting evidence for Mary's tribe, because the Quran was written some 600 years later.
However Mary's lineage still doesn’t matter: Jewish tribal lineage is transferred from father to son. It doesn’t matter what tribe the mother is, the child always takes on the tribal lineage of the father.
There are two royal houses of judah. After the truth was rejected by the decendants Perez, it was transferred to the house of Zerah. The barren gentile woman. Or seed of the woman which are those who believe by faith. The type in the OT and the red scarlet cord wrapped around the child's wrist at birth. Those decendats of the gentile woman.
Daniel 9:24-27 proves the messiah HAD to come before the end of the 70th Shabua. If some groups don't believe he did, then he never will and we can all go party cuz tomorrow we die!!
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the expanse proclaims the work of his hands. Ps. 19:1
You are without excuse
If that verse were true, that creation itself is proof of God, then every scientist in the field would be telling us God is real. God seems to try extremely hard to make his creation look like evolution and other natural processes.
I'm not a christian. I do understand what I was told about evolution, I was taught in 4th grade and had it pounded into my head until just about the end of high school. That doesn't mean I believe everything I'm told, otherwise I'd still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. I understand the idea of branching evolutionary traits and to be honest, I just don't buy it. Science has been making crap up as they go for quite a while now.
Cross breeding does not prove evolution, it proves that you can breed plants with different races of plants. You can breed a plum with an apricot, which is akin to breeding a black guy with a white girl. However, you cannot breed a carrot with either a plum or an apricot because that's like saying that a person can bang a dog and pop out a mix. It won't happen without genetic modification, in which case you're changing the makeup, making it an altogether different creation. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I don't understand the concepts that people are telling me. I can regurgitate the same bullshit everybody else does, that doesn't mean it's true, which is why I look at everything, including math and science with a skeptical eye. Theory's have changed for as long as people have been coming up with them.
Archimedes didn't believe in gravity, he believed in density and buoyancy, and he lived over 2230 years ago. And before you say he didn't have the knowledge to come up with a theory like gravity, I would like to add that he was doing geometry and calculus (wrongly attributed to Newton) over 2230 years ago. Knowledge gets lost all the time, nobody figured out how to do calculus for quite a while after his death because almost nobody that knew him could even do half of the math he could. How can people pass that on without having a clue as to what any of it meant? They probably just tossed his research in the basement somewhere not even bothering to look into any of it because people are usually just that stupid.
Haha this is some bullshit twisted reasoning you are presenting. You said in one of your rebuttals that the Messiah should come from the father and Joseph being the father of Jesus disqualifies him as Messiah because of coniah's curse. That is the problem with your so-called reasoning. 1) Joseph isn't Jesus biological father. 2) if Jesus had an earthly biological father that disputes the virgin birth [Isa. 7:14] as well as disqualifies him as God. You say scripture does not say heli as the father of Mary... true, BUT it does not explicitly say he is not either. Genesis 3 says the seed of the woman. Everyone knows the seed comes from the male or the father. Now how can scripture refer to the seed of the woman? it is because the Messiah will come through supernatural means and require no seed from any man thus explaining the obvious which is the virgin birth. Next time do your homework - you are either sloppy or you have an agenda.
It says Jeconiah the son of Josiah. It is not talking about Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim.
Matthew omits at least 4 names from his genealogy of Jesus, probably to make a convenient list of groups of 14 (Matt 1:17). Compare:
Matthew's genealogy:
Manasseh > Amon > Josiah > Jeconiah > Shealtiel
Original genealogy in 1 Chronicles 3:
Manasseh > Amon > Josiah > *Jehoiakim* > Jeconiah > Shealtiel
See my video "Missing Names in Matthew":
ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html
If Jesus is not the Messiah, then God’s word has been broken since the scepter was removed before the Messiah came.
God's word was broken when the 'scepter' (royal line) was removed about 600 years before Christ: the Babylonians invaded and sent the last jewish king and his people into exile. There has not been a king of Israel/Judah since then. This was centuries before Jesus was even born, so it's not as if Jesus came and took over from an existing king. The royal line was broken long before he was around. Israel was declared a state in 1948, and yet there's still no king. So the prophecy about there always being a descendant of Judah ruling over Israel until the messiah comes, is a flop.
Discern4 so then we come to a decision that needs to be made If we believe God’s word has been broken.
Option 1: God either does not exist or He is not omniscient.
Or
Option 2: Our understanding of this scripture in incorrect and needs to be altered.
Which of these two opinions are you of?
Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world so the curse proves nothing
Jeconiah the son of Jehoaikim is not Jeconiah the son of Josiah.
Jeconiah the son of Jehoaikim has a Descendent Zerubabel through Pediah.
The Ancester of Jesus Jeconiah the Son of Josiah, has a descendent Zerubabel through a Shealteal...not Pediah...different individuals.
As mentioned in my other reply, see my video "Missing Names in Matthew": ua-cam.com/video/374uSuqgTAQ/v-deo.html
We're talking about the same genealogy, Matthew simply omitted some names. As for the Pediah issue, it depends which Old Testament manuscript you read. There is a Septuagint version of Chronicles that states that Shealtiel's son *is* Zerubbabel (this is mentioned in the video link)
Jesus Mother was a virgin the genealogy in Luke is Marys genealogy, Joseph inherited her genealogy because he is her husband.
New Flash…. Matthew isn’t recounting a genealogy of Messiah.
Interesting but isn't it still all just mythology?
Kelly or Richard Weddle Yes, but if I were a believer and someone told me it was just mythology, it would be water off a duck's back. I'm approaching this on their own playing field.
+Discern4 "it rains, upon my flight, with feathers" as Nichita beautifully said it. have you ever thought of the existence of God beyond the bible/scriptures occurrence/imperfections? after all, it's a matter of feeling and faith, not of a proof one, isn't it? can't you feel there is a God?
I only believe in concepts for which there is evidence. I don't believe in the supernatural.
+Cornerro - A god that makes no effort to prove himself real above all the other invented gods, might as well be a non-existent god.
the truth behind a math equation may be plain for some and a mystery for others. do you know exactly what kind of a proof do you want from God? the supreme one? maybe you'll have it some day, there's plenty of time in front of us. but...just wondering, have you ever think of a tiny effort from yourself to see around somehow? as i know, all the proofs in the earth's science came up after some (re)searching. i bet you believe a scientist telling you the hadron is real; could you believe a person telling you that God is real?
Try again. There are two different Jaconiah. Two different Zerubabel
please do your homework....there were two Jeconiahs ......Jesus is the legitimate Messiah
There were 2 jeconiah...do your homework please i pray
Jeshua was the biological son of Joseph, it's so clear!!!!
In the end of the day whatever this video may convey Jesus is risen from the dead and sitting in the right side in the throne of God, if u have felt God presence in your life and the voice of the Holy Spirit and the answer is yes well it’s over what more proof or theological knowledge do u want ? Let’s be doers of the scriptures than just readers of it ...
Ironically, the book of Mark seems to indicate that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and the adopted son of Yahweh, hot the other way around.
Nowhere is it stated that way.Mark might have just given the perception of the people.Take the matthew Geneology The word begot is useduntil zJoseph only Luke says that Jesus was supposed to be the so of JosephThe word begot is not there
You say that like it's not the whole point of putting the genealogy there to show how Jesus is a biological descendant of David and therefore qualified to be the Messiah.
So here's a conversation that totally took place (like for real) A guy walks up to Jesus and the court reporter in the middle of the night and without saying hi or introducing himself faced the audience and said “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” Jesus replied "Uhh... did you have a question? Nice to meet you too." Jesus then faced the audience and said in a loud voice “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." The stranger then faced Jesus and said "WTF? How can someone be born when they are old? Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” Jesus, still facing the audience, then answered and said “Very, very, extremely, for realz, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" The stranger then said "but how... " The wind blows wherever it pleases." Jesus answered. "You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” “How can this be?” The stranger asked. “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, now facing the stranger “and do you not understand these things? I just explained it to you!!! Look, it's a metaphor OK? You don't have to literally be born twice." The stranger asked "How did you know I was Israel's Teacher?" Jesus faced the audience again and shouted " Look, I really, really, truly tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" "But rabbi" The stranger said, "You just said 'spirit gives birth to spirit'..." No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man." "but rabbi what about Enoch and Elij..." "just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but" "Hold on a second you guys" The court reporter said, "I need time to catch up." Afterward, Jesus finished his paragraph and then they all walked away without saying another word. The end. You all believe this really happened don't you?
Great Job keep up the Good work but also keep in mind who is this So called God you still hold Dear? Osiris Rah Set Horus these are all Anunnaki Slave Drivers from Ancient times all are Dead now and nothing but Evil Spirits feeding on the Living
I hope you managed to sober up in the last five years.
Bro you are lost on this one and lacking adequate research.
Please advise which part of the video was incorrect. Thanks
@@Discern4 why should he? It's much easier to say "you're lost XD" and run away?