Romania's WASR10 Underfolder Returns To The Market
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- This time we take a look at an AK variant that hasn't been on the market for many years. This is the WASR10-UF in 7.62x39; manufactured in Romania by Cugir and imported into the USA by Century Arms. Currently, these are only available at Atlantic Firearms, as only a (relatively) small batch came over the pond.
The WASR10-UF is built from all new, 2018 production parts. It features a machined underfolding buttstock, threaded barrel, and accepts all standard AK47 magazines; however, no bayonet lug for some reason?
In this video, we compare the new WASR underfolder to the original one that was imported a decade ago, the GP-WASR10/63-UF.
This is just a teaser preview, and we will post a full review with range footage ASAP for you all, cheers.
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THANK YOU MISHA I LOVE YOU FOR STAYING UPTO DATE WITH ALL NEW AK OPTIONS :)!
Thanks very much, and we should be back with more range stuff soon. It usually cools off here in September.
Got one on the way! Misha, you and Robski are my AK consumer advocates... 😉
Rob's a great and funny guy. I'd really enjoy a video with him one day....i guess we could drag Tim along too, even though he's an AK novice hehe =) (and joking before anyone gets the wrong idea, we're all friends).
Ozark Bear Arms ah yes! 3 of my favorite Patreons that I try to support! Thanks for all you and Jay do. This is Guy B. BTW.
Novice? He took his high school pictures with a Sa 85m. lol But I do know what you mean.lol
How has the underfolder held up for ya? I'm debating picking one up.
Good thing you ditched the balsa wood. Lol.
It made for good tooth picks at least.
lol. I was thinking a pinewood derby car.
I purchased a my WASR 10 UF about a month ago and I must say I like it very much. It is an ‘18 year of production.
It came with the 2nd generation under folder.
Out of the box it was nearly impossible to push the locking button to release the stock and almost as hard to fold the stock.
I removed the pin on it he opposite side and backed off the nut on the pin hole and reinstalled the pin and it is now perfect.
I was unsure of how I would like the under folding stock because it was a replacement from Century for a fixed stock WASR 10 (new production) that I sent back for issues and could not be fixed by Century and they had no WASR’s in stock to replace it so they offered me a UF, if I was interested.
I can honestly say now I don’t regret accepting their offer.
Oh man this channel is so unique and awesome. Can believe i didn't know it until james from tfbtv mentioned it. Keep up the great work! :)
Thanks much for watching, and yeah James and I go back a bit and I knew Alex before that, cheers.
I love my original Wasr 10UF. It stacks rounds on top of rounds and the front sight is dead center. I even checked it with a micrometer because through the years I've had to straighten alot of my front sight blocks on my AK rifles. I have the Russian Wood palm swell handguards on mine. It's a great looking gun.
Agreed and I enjoy how authentic they are too.
Picked her up today mine looks exactly like yours; type 2 stock. Pretty nice all around , happy !!!
Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to make a video on it. Your the man.
Thanks much & glad people like this vid. Honestly, it was going to go up last Friday, but that Brownells rifle came in suddenly and couldn't help myself, and had to post about it. So the WASR-UF got bumped back a few days.
So it's odd seeing a blind man review guns, but still very informative, I think I'll subscribe, like these videos very much
Kalash for life!
My WASR 10 UF (from Century Arms) is like yours w/lighter wood.. happy with my purchase still getting familiar with it. Thank you for video.
Chicken ‘n a biscuit!!!! Those are awesome and haven’t had some for years.
Great information and review as always. Keep up the great content.
The WASR UF I just purchased from Atlantic has the second style machined folder. Sighted are not canted.
These sold out in less than two days at Classic Firearms. Can you do a video of shooting this new WASR UF? Thanks for posting many great videos..!!
7.62x39 awesome-ness 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥..always ❤️ me a UF 👍👍
But of course, cheers.
I love my Wasr 10
Don't we all? Actually...it just hit me, Jay...you do not in fact own a WASR10 do you? For shame, shame I tell ya's.
Was able to pick one up. Behind enemy lines here in New York. Thanks to Comp Mags there NY Compliant. Same under folding bars. Parts seem to be sparse all over the Internet AK craze. Troy Industries tube/top rail works great with Primary Arms red dot. Krebs upper/lower hand guard 1/8 to short. Great customer service though. Para cord wrap made it much more comfortable this winter.
Thanks for the update, love your channel!!!
Oh nice, I have a WASR10 too, but the fixed stock version. I got it back in 2016.
I have the same style you have a 2016 model
Me Three!
Go to 3:55 for the Chicken-In-a-Biscuit. Great video!
Good call on WASR/Cugir & Century
They are really nice and I want one. The perfect truck rifle even over an M70ab2 because it’s light
But the M70AB2 can be used for a jack stand if your truck gets a flat tire.
The chromelined bore might help too if used in a truck. Rusting is more likely in such an environment. But what of no bayo lug? All truck guns need a pig sticker!
I have a WASR-10/63 with matching 1972 serial #’s. It’s indestructible and accurate meaning it hits what I aim at every time. I also have a 2011 Romanian M-10 and it just feels like it has tighter tolerances but not sure if it will outlast the 1972 full-auto parts kit on my 10/63. Great guns both of them.
That was my first AK never had any problems got mine when they were being imported 10 years ago
Actually, we did have some problems with the original WASR10/63-UF back in 2009 or so, but mostly cosmetics. That was right after the election, so Cugir was rushing guns out the door and Century was rushing to convert them. So sometimes a stinker slipped out. We had one with a magwell not opened up enough. It was so tight it was squeezing the mags, causing jams. Easy enough fix though. We had a couple others with very floppy loose folding stocks, and some with truely horrid looking handguards. Mine was one of those. It gave me several splinters, so i just put the dong HG on and its been there ever since. The palmswell HG on the new rifle? Actually, that was originally on my SAR1 way back in 2001. The stock the SAR1 came with was kind of messed up as it was undersized and fit too loosely, but the HG was always great.
Ozark Bear Arms know what your talking about I had to hand fit my mags to my rifle with a file lol 😆 really made those mags have a BFPU look to them though
I got one on the way! Cant wait to get it!
U 'll be waiting. I ordered 1 2 there out of stock.
Just got mine a couple days ago. Have the same type underfolder. Haven't taken it out yet. Need to change the furniture also
This one really does seem nicely built to me. We'll take it out, but I am sure it'll shoot like a WASR. They tend to be boringly reliable heh.
Video came out just as I was looking up this information....that's pretty awesome haha.
Great stuff, cheers.
THE MIGHTY WASR WINS AGAIN!!!
misha, you are too cool for school bro. i love your videos. You should review the AT47 gen 2. it's a yugo m70 with american milled receiver and barrel. they made very few of them, with very limited fixed stock models. There is hardly any information on these rifles anywhere on the internet. It seems to be a high grade AK type. like a tank.
Iv been waiting for this video! Thank you!
Thank you for watching, cheers.
Hi Misha :) Thanks for the vids. You do a great job in your reviews!
Absolutely love mine. Put on some surplus bulgarian polymer handguards and a surplus bakelite pistol grip.
Just when I complete my kit build of the Romanian 63 underfolder, Century imports them. Oh well, at least mine has the bayonet lug unmolested.
Just purchased a 2019 wasr 10 uf. I’ve got the second version stock, but came without cleaning rod......
Everything else is the same from factory. I’ve got brown/red like new Bakelite grip, “cheese grater” upper handguard, and a Bakelite lower handguard that’s slightly more brown than the grip but still matches quite well.
I did find some rust that needed to be addressed in the underfolder mechanism. Took it apart and got everything squared away.
Classic Firearms got a small batch of JRA Chinese Type 56 underfolders
Yes, already discussed a bit in the first couple posts. This video was recorded a week ago, so a the time those hadn't dropped yet. I might try and get one to review. We'll see.
Ben I bought one of the JRA T56 kit builds, because I can use it for the Albanian clone I've been wanting to do. I'm going to send Turbo the rifle, an original Polytech barrel and have him swap the receiver with one of his T56 receivers and put the Albanian selector markings and install the Poly barrel. That will be a sweet gun. But in all fairness, Classic says all of their offerings are small batches. lol Think the small batch of BM 59s that they got in. (still available 2 years later). I also bought one of the BM 59s from Classic, so I am a good customer of theirs. I just have to call the small batch thing out.
Has anyone else seen those chinese type 56 underfolders classic firearms was selling. Any one have any ideas were they were able to get the kits to build them.
Just remember, USA receiver and USA barrel.
@@ozarkbeararms8840 yeah I know but all I want to know is how these kits made it in to the country if we are lucky we might see more chinese guns down the road. Any guess as to where they are from?
@@francisp.4992 Neutral country. Maybe Albania?
@@ozarkbeararms8840 I knew I would find a use for that extra Polytech barrel.
@@2aEdu I was thinking Albania. I have been hoping that Albania would be the next place to get aks from. Does any one know if Albania still manufactures type 56 copy I hope we can see new production type 56 style guns imported.
Mine came with the same stock yours has.
I know its a 556 but the
Norinco 84s is awesome
Check out the JRA Chinese AK parts kit builds!
Sorry, you were beaten to that. When we recorded this video last Monday, those weren't out yet. I might see about getting one if there's time. I have an orig 56S-1, so could be a neat comparison.
I just got a century arms underfolder today
Congrats! Should serve you well. I recommend wrapping the cheek-side arm in a bit of good paracord. I wrap mine tight, clip the edges and use a lighter to fuse it together on the inner side of the arm. Should help some with comfort and it's stylish to boot! - Jay
Mishaco thank you sir... and I will take your advice!
I have the wooden stock on my Wasr 10. Mine is dated from 2016 tho
love mine, underfolders are my favorite
Can the AKM underfolding mechanism with two locking lugs be able to be used with the downward angle stock of a milled underfolder or stamped Chinese or Stamped Romanian?
Misha do u think sanctions against Russia will dry up ak ammo?
No more ammo coming in from Russia. Tula, Wolf, Golden Bear, etc. What is here is what we have.
People have been saying that for two years or more, and no one backs it up with any hard evidence. As I understand it, the current sanctions only target specific companies that make arms for the Russian government. Most are now owned or partly owned by Kalashnikov Concern.
I wish Ciger would produce a Side Folder.. UF's are cool looking but not very pleasant to actually shoot.. I think a Side Folder along the lines of Arsenals now expensive and pretty much unavailable SLR-107Sf would sell like proverbial "hot cakes" if it was made available to the Us Market right now.. IMO it seems like Ciger WASR10's are the only available Foreign produced Chrome Lined AK's you can get for an affordable price anymore..
No problem, they do. The Cugir side folding stock fits into the standard rear trunnion, The stock is available at many places and many ways. It installs with 2 screws onto your standard WASR10. The Cugir name for this model as select fire is "PM-90."
Atlantic currently has a nice SBR ready Pm 90 for sale
The one I just got matches the one you got from this batch
So 2nd pattern stock? simplified, milled?
@@ozarkbeararms8840 ?
Very NOICE!! 👍🏼🗣 woot woot !!
Great review brother.
I like palm swell hand guards on my AKs too. I have two newer production WASRs. One has surplus AK74 furniture on it and the other has Polish WBP furniture from AoA on it.
I had to do some fitting with the WBP furniture. The top handguard was a bit over sized and the stub from the buttstock that goes into the receiver/trunnion was over sized as well. I just widdled them down with a utility knife.
I’d really like to get rid of one of my WASRs and pick up one of these UFs but it’s really not a seller’s market right now when it comes to used guns here in CA. I’d lose my ass.
I think I’ll just pick up a Romy side folding stock from Apex ($140ish. Wish they were still $60ish) and call it a day.
I’ll have a fixed stock WASR, a side folding (fixed for legal reasons here in CA) WASR and a Romy AES-10B. That’ll be the extent of my Romy AK pattern rifles for now (wife will divorce me and take the kids if I pop on that UF). I really want that UF though.
You said your WASRs don’t have bayonet lugs? Both of mine do. The one I bought new actually came with a bayonet. The other one I bought used, didn’t.
Well, any who. Great review. I still want that box of Chicken in a Bizkit that was playing Peek a Boo with me during the entire video 🤣
Cheers
How do you make a WASR10 into a Side Folder? Does it lock closed? IMO I would rather see them reproduce a Side Folder for import than an Under Folder.. UF's are cool to look at, but they aren't particularly nice to shoot.
I said the newer WASR-UF didn't come with a bayo lug. The older WASR10/63 in this video does have the lug as does my newer fixed stock (now folder actually) WASR10. What you probably are thinking is when i said all WASRs come into the USA with the lug shaved off. Its an import thing. Century is the one who re-adds them. Yes, new condition AK wood is always made oversized so it can fit a wider range of guns. This is even the case with military sets. So no worries, yours was normal.
rainmechanic you put a side folding wire stock on it.
Ozark Bear Arms thanks for the clarification.
Just ordered one from Atlantic Firearms.
What did you think about it?
@@dsstaang Very nice No complaints
Nice to see some new import AK variants coming in again. I understand CAI is going to be bringing in PSLs again also. Do you have any inside information on that? Date, cost, number of guns, etc? I heard rumors they'll be close to 2K, hopeful that won't be the case.
Outside of being a Collector, I see zero reason to pay anywhere close to 2K for a PSL in 54R when Palmetto State Armory is selling really nice AR10's in 308 and 6.5 Creedmore for $650 ish.. I feel like PSL's were great when they were $550 bucks and 54R spam cans were $89.. Neither is the case anymore.
Price will be from $2k to $2.2k, so your number is actually on the low end. Not much to know aside from small batch and expensive. They should come with the 4x scope and 1 to 2 Romie mags...probably not much else.
Once again century's new money hungry way of doing business will sink these. Nobody wants a overgrown ak for 2k when a sporter svd goes for 3k
I googled the listings when they came online, and some have them for under 1900. I'm not really surprised. 1800-1900 is the average price EU wide for newer PSLs, as far as I've heard. Given import taxes and such, 2.2k MSRP for the gun with the IOR scope seems about what you'd expect.
What would be a better value? Wasr 10 underfolder or a Zastava n-pap underfolder.
I like both but don't care much for the Wasr dimpleless receiver. On the otherhand zastava has a proprietary handguard.
But I don't think either are riveted by American. I kinda like that But could be wrong.
Frank Nash I'd say go wasr, I love my npap DF but if the wasr hasn't proved itself nearly invincible nothing has.
Wasr all the way
Dimple's Schmimples… The Mighty WASR has Milspec CHF Chrome Lined Barrel … Serbian NPAP does not... Also Robski over at AKoperatorsunion has over 15K rounds down the barrel of his WASR10 and its still going strong.
rainmechanic haha, I agree with you but I highly doubt most users of either rifles will be able to beat, abuse or shoot out either one.
What a great question, and I might steal it for a video topic someday haha. I'd probably go WASR-UF too, but it is very close. The NPAP-DF has things to recommend it too.
For example, the NP-DF has a heavier barrel and is also cold hammer forged (but not chromelined). Personally, i think the NP-DF has a bit better fit+finish, with a nice blue job and a polished bolt group that is very smooth. Probably the biggest advantage the NP-DF has is its underfolding stock. It is AKMS pattern, so locks on both sides. Also it comes new very very tight. As I say in this video, the WASR's stock is the earlier AKS pattern and only locks on the left side. So the NP-DF's stock is stronger. I like the NP's handguards too. Yes proprietary, but longer HGs are always welcome on an AK and many companies now make Yugo/Zastava M70 patterns today. Oh and the NP-DF is about $100 cheaper than WASR-UF.
Both have 14x1 threaded barrel, neither has a bayo lug, and both are true factory built with imported receivers and barrels. The NP-DF's receiver does have dimples and does have a (slightly) thicker trunnion. IMO: replace the recoil spring in the NPAP and you're gtg for 10k rds. With the WASR, replace the popcicle HGs and its gtg. Yep, definitely a good ivdeo idea, thanks!
I bought a Romanian AKM parts kit. 1972 Matching numbers, Grade A. I found a nice receiver, but am not comfortable with what the proper barrel for it is. It is an under folder. Can you please offer me any advice? Thank you.
Do these resemble the sks paratrooper ? Yes I'm a old man , remember seeing them at a show for 99 bucks in 84
I recently purchased an MD 65 all numbers matching underfolder kit from AOA dated 1974. It came with a type 3 tubular stock. Do you happen to know at what point in time Romania made the switch to different UF stock types?
I wonder if we'll see the WASR 2's again.
vinny thehourshower I want a wasr 3
While they do look super cool, the only reason I would buy an Under-Folder is to add it to my Collection. However, my thoughts could change once it enters my Home. ;>)
Honestly that's the only reason I have an underfolder - they're iconic and no AK collection is complete without one - but I find them to be incredibly unpleasant to shoot and get the impression Misha's not all that crazy about the way they feel either. - Jay
Perfect truck gun,
Very nice!
How much are one of those older under folders? With the bayo lug
What's the difference between this Romanian underfolder Vs the Century Arms Ak63ds ? Both made by Century Arms. I know one is Hungarian Parts and the Other Romanian
Would you recommend this Wasr 10 UF or a Yugo AB UF?
i just want to know if you can change the underfold
does anyone know there are these underfolding stocks that have like a metal plate as shoulder pad instead of the steel hollow O shaped shoulder plate. ive only seen them on "deco remake original ak47s" and dont know if they even exist in the "real" world. like if they were ever officially issued or if they are just junk because these stocks look cool though!
Love the Dong 👍
Gives it a manly look
So are these actually reliable ? I can't afford to drop 700 on a c39 or vska type reliability
What parts are US made on the new uf's?
I had 2 of the older wasr imports, from around 2007. Sold both of them, they were rough and had canted sight bases, lost money on them. Hopefully qc has improved.
Should have waited to sell them in mid November of 2008; definitely wouldn't have lost money. Back just a few days before Sandyhook, I gave a friend $450 or so for a used WASR. It was pretty rough though not abused. It had cheesy US black handguards but did at least have a Romie side folding stock. I put it on GB for $500 starting, just hoping to get my money back as I'd bought it off him right before Christmas to help him out..gifts get expensive. Then those events happened that I'd rather not think about, and the auction ended up at nearly $1,500. Things kept on being crazy for months after that. It was a pretty depressing time.
well this is good news
Yep sure is...hopefully if these and the PSLs sell well, Century might start expanding the Cugir line once more. Back from 2007 til 2013, they imported a pretty wide range of variants and models.
I shure hope so, ROMarm makes some really cool stuff, and considering how hungry the US market is right now for new imported AKs, I think nearly all of them would sell well. heck mabey I can even hope a bit for a 5.45 model. or the AES-10 coming back
I had an Npap underfolder and sold it like an idiot :(
Haha I just looked it up on GB and some cat named Mishaco has one for sale. =D
Oh ya I remember these for sale several years ago... if it was $599, I'd consider getting one.... I just checked on Atlantic firearms and it's over $700. Not to sound childish and inappropriate, but for $700 that AK better give me some suckie suckies lol..... and yes I know, the days of "cheap" AKs are over. for $700 I can buy a MAK90 on gunbroker.... heck, I did that last month :)
The standard fixed stock WASR is just a hair under $700 now. Just how it is *shrug*. Once gas was $0.75 when i was a young adult, and much less than that when my dad was young.
@@ozarkbeararms8840
Actually, once you add in shipping & FFL, they're about $800.
Just picked up my third Wasr, a 10-63 UF at a local show. Looks like new. 1968 dated with (FWIW) matching numbers.
Private sale - $600 out the door.
I always thought that the wasr 10 was a low end AK. No dimple to help hold in the mag. Not sure how the wasr looks under the hood as you put alot of rounds down range. Anyway i may be wrong might be just scuttlebutt i heard. Can anyone enlighten me? I have a few vepr's an o pap and a mak 90. How does this Romanian hold up. Thanks.
Back about 10 years ago it was a bottom of the barrel ak because of the cosmetics. Now they are highly regarded as they are combloc made with chrome lined and hammer forged barrel, the same as back then but since we have found out that most American manufacturers make a horrible ak we are happy getting a combloc made ak. I would take a WASR 10 over the pap but that's personal preference and because the wasr uses all standard akm parts and the yugosdo not. If you want another ak variant the uf wasr is a great choice.
@@1986teambeast ok cool , thanks for the Intel my brother. I think im going to try and start a local chapter of Ak Aholics anonymous here is south florida. Lol. Like i said eariler i do have a o pap in my collection and i always kind of thought that the o pap was a step higher than the Romanian wasr. Only thing I've noticed on the o pap is that the charging handle sticks a little and isnt quite as smooth as the mak 90 or the Veprs. Anyway thanks for the 411.
Gman 5445 you are clueless
Your OPAP's bolt group is doing that because of the US FCG in it. Replace it with a Comblock or higher quality American one and it will most likely disappear...at least 80%
Greetings, notice your VEPRs do not have magwell dimples either and no one would call them low end I think it is safe to say. The dimples are there to reinforce and strengthen the receiver stamping. Stamped steel is stronger when it is bent and curved. This is why the dustcover has ribbing too. The dimples shouldn't be making contact with the magazine body. They aren't there to stabilize it. Instead, there are internal rails and the bottom of the receiver to do this. Instead of dimples, the WASR has 2 plates welded inside the magwell area for strength. Also note that many Saigas aren't dimpled and have these plates instead. It is just a modern way of doing things, though I agree the traditional dimples are more cosmetically appealing.
What’s it feel like to shoot with that stock? Hurt? The VZ 58 wire stock is very uncomfortable to shoot with.
It doesn't hurt like you might think.
My old faithful wasr10/63UF is a joy to shoot. The way those stocks angle down is ergonomicly identical to the type 3 milled underfolders. All other stamped underfolders I've handled have the stock more parallel to the bore, and are much more difficult to get a comfortable sight picture. I wouldn't take a chance waiting, if you want one.
Honestly I'd not be surprised if some of the 1st pattern stocks (like on my orig WASR10/63) came from Russia. They look identical to an AKS-47 T3 stock. Yes, they have a deeper angle. Also they are rounded rather than squared off, so a more comfortable surface for your face. On and I like the spring loaded buttplate; its fun to play with hehe.
If you press your cheek/chin firmly onto the stock, it isn't too uncomfortable. The pain can come when people don't do this, so with every shot the stock jumps up a bit and slaps them in the face. Just be smart and hold the gun properly and you won't notice it...at least not unless you go for firing 500 rds in an afternoon. Now that might just start to sting a bit no matter what.
Haven't you seen Rambo? These guns are only designed to be shot from the hip. Very comfortable and accurate from the hip.....I might add
How much is Russian rifle 1975madal
I despise underfolders because of the stock
Chicken Biskit!
But of course
Mishra does this underfolder have the reinforcement plate under the pistol grip ?
No, Romania never used those.
Thanks I just ordered one.
"Looks nice"
I wish it had mag dimples but I’m being nit picky.im waiting for FedEx to drop my m92 off today.if Atlantic still has these by the end of the week i will snag one and put a donkey dong on it.this would be a great gun for someone to do a bfpu look
I did a video on a battlefield Romy md65 if you are interested in seeing it
Just remember to get a reverse dong.
I just checked it out.good vid 😎
Yea ur right.years ago I seen a pic on the internet of one.a bearded man in the Middle East was holding one that was well worn and I have always loved the look of that exact rifle.i looked for the pic last night and couldn’t find it.
Thanks for watching it. Cool.
I can never tell where your looking...