I got pretty big into N scale about 16 years ago and bought lots of these off eBay and realized that as long as they are destroyed or physically burnt looking these locos are usually pretty good tough little guys for the most part.
I modeled in N-scale, starting in 1970, and I know which of the old brands are good and which aren't, but unlike you, I have no talent for fixing them. That GP7 looked like an old Arnold/Rapido model, built in West Germany. They had the oversized silver wheels and dual drive. They were maybe the best running of the N-scale engines of the time - very weighty, and their ALCO FA cab unit engines had metal bodies. The body shells were a little bit out of scale. They were also sold under the Aurora, or Revelle label. The Atlas models with only four driving wheels were basically worthless, but some of them, built in Austria (I think?) featured dual drive (all axles powered) and could be spotted by their red gearing, visible from the bottom. Their GP30 was one of the good types. The body shells were crisply detailed and very authentic looking, however. Minitrix locomotives, I believe, were manufactured in Austria and were highly regarded back in the early 70s. They were heavy, but had a tiny 3-pole motor that required a good bit of juice to get them started. Once they started running, they were good runners, with no jerky operation. Bachmann's offerings in that era featured metal gearing and were loud, but they were superior runners to the 80s models with the nylon gearing, that caused jerky starts and uneven acceleration, and the plastic gears tended to warp over time.
My Wife and I Have N Scale working on her N Scale. Still have a Little work to do on Mine Right now I Am Working on my Wife’s Starting on the Track Plan which I think is Gonna Pan Out. She’s gonna Love It.
Im just getting back into model railroading for the first time since I was a kid. I wanted to go HO scale but I working with very limited space, so I ordered up some n scale stuff. Should be lots of fun nonetheless
I am still growing up with the uhm Ho scale my grandpa his first engine was N scale but next he got ho and he is the one that helps me keep my rail road going.☺️
No, they didn't. According to American Rails (www.american-rails.com/34036.html) and WikiPedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F45) the railroads who owned F45's were the Burlington Northern, Great Northern and Santa Fe. Oh...and for those who say that's an FP45 - Pennsy never owned any of those, either.
@@ROKMAN1445 I hear ya. The Quail Valley Railroad has an F45. And an FP45. For some reason, they're both old (and I'm talking decades here) Athearn blue box locos.
@@antonbruce1241 there’s 4 railroad names you can slap onto any model and get them to sell, anything Pennsylvania NYC UP or Santa Fe will sell like wildfire. Anything else? Good luck.
I'm a N Scaler too and have a few DC locals. Show us how you clean and especially if you convert to DCC. I haven't ever converted as of yet but I plan to soon. Thanks, Chris
@@michaelbujaki2462 I have a large N scale collection, a lot of them older things I found cheap. For that reason, and N scale locomotives being so small, my N scale layout will always remain DC.
The one with 2 front axles and 3 rear axles is an interesting one. I think only two types of locomotives ever used this wheel arrangement. This one is a Fairbanks-Morse C-liner passenger locomotive and the extra axle on the rear truck was unpowered and was there to support the extra weight of the steam generator for passenger use. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_Consolidated_line#C-liner_models The other locomotive with this wheel arrangement was the EMD FL9. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FL9 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAR_wheel_arrangement#B-A1A
@@aidens.7370 The giveaway that that's an Alco is the number boards being sort of recessed at the top corners and the headlight sticking out. That's a signature look of Alco high hoods.
That's a "Lot" of N scale locomotives for the money, Harrison. Nice that the seller included a dummy B unit for the Pennsylvania loco. You now have quite a few N scale Penn Central locos in your collection. Thanks for sharing. 🎅🎄⛄
i searched to see if you attempted repairing any of these from the group. I am waiting with baited breath for your videos on them. They , even in the lousy condition, are more expensive than that box of HO poor runners. you do a great job on the video showing us step by step what you do.
The only reason why I have n scale, is because of the small space that I have, ho is too big to use, n scale has advantages of haveing a longer and smaller train.
Well, in my opinion it depends on space you have. HO Scale is very good, but its very expensive in some deals. But N scale is smaller so that is the "problem". I prefer N scale because i have models. But still every Scale is very good. Stay safe guys!
That's what I'm thinking. I got a Roco EMD F8 once, but it had a Rivarossi shell. I feel like if Arnold Rapido and Rivarossi teamed up to have Arnold drive-trains and Rivarossi shells they would have been unstoppable.
N scale locomotives are designed and built with more precision than any larger scale. Especially brands like Kato and Micro Trains. ScaleTrains is a newer brand I've not owned yet. They're supposed to be good. I own five brands of engines and Kato is clearly the best. They're the smoothest running at slow speeds, and have the fastest top speed, also the most quiet running, excellent detail on the bodies, though ScaleTains are said to have great detail and paint work.
I just got 3 N scale locomotives from an antique shop, its called Boxcar Treasures®. a conrail GP50, and two Union pacific F units. (One is a dummy unit) the GP50 and one of the F units are lifelike, while the Dummy unit is a Lone star engine, never heard of that company tho.
I love old N scale, and I do find the older models of low-cost manufacturers run much better than their HO offerings. They often aren't prototypical, but this model railroader doesn't care (my imagination is always more attractive than reality, anyhow). I still have Rapido couplers on all my stuff, and since my collection is large and I'm working on upgrading my HO couplers first, the N scale will wait awhile. And, at many train shows, people are almost giving away N scale cars with Rapido couplers, so there's that.
Man I was really hoping that Pennsylvania F45 would run and it didn't disappoint as did most of that lot! Bummer the industrial switcher and the odd Pennsy locomotives didn't run, but if it's an Atlas (the Penssy one) locomotive, they may still have parts to get it running again! Also both the BN and Penn Central are indeed GP40s, thanks for sharing!
0:46 Arnold Rapido GP7 1:30 Bachmann F3 2:33 Another Arnold Rapido GP7 3:15 Atlas (Attempt at FL9?) 4:00 Lima 0-4-0 (A Plymouth MDT) 4:45 SD7 (make unknown) 5:30 Arnold Rapido (Alco F1/F2) 6:00 GP38 (make unknown) 6:40 Another GP38 (make unknown) 7:30 Lima FP45 8:30 Another Arnold Rapido (Alco F1/F2) For more information on these, check out spookshow.net. He even has instructions on how to get into the Arnold FA1. The Lima FP 45, due to it's light weight, has trouble with power pickup and power. I filled mine with lead weights and was able to triple is pulling capacity and drastically improve it's power pickup reliability.
1:30 looks like an early Bachmann F9 (the gaudily oversize one). The locomotive at 3:15 is a Fairbanks-Morse C-liner. Passenger C-liners had a B-A1A configuration because steam generators are heavy, y0. 4:45 is not an SD9, it's a Mehano/Model Power/whatever RSD15 (although in the real world if it was high hood and ATSF it'd be an RSD7 - but the paint makes it basically fictitious in any case). The locomotives at 6:00 and 6:40 are both GP40s, both Model Power/Mehano by the looks of it. GP38s only have two radiator fans.
Just get a Elvis Perlesy train se oh from eBay four $79.00 still in the box every used vi just back in oh this year Ian more into Lionel trains and mth trains you got in into the hobby I really like it Thank
New follower. I’ll be buying used N for my Grandson. Question are you buying to resell or to have a locomotive empire? What’s been your average cost per N scale locomotive? Which Mfg have you found most reliable of the vintage engines? Atlas, Kato? Thanks 🙏 much. Dave in PA
Nice find. I am currently getting into N scale to make a traveling layout. I recently got a FA 1 and a FB 1 from ebay and they worked great. Are you going to do any N scale stuff soon?
I think that you did very good for price paid. Some work and they good as new. I will call that a win in my book 👍👍 plus the fact they very small and not much needed to work on them very awesome! I like the test track you got makes it easier to test them . I know i like To scale for what i model but I will say one thing n scale is actually better for small space and bigger and more user friendly to work on because smaller is Z scale and thats way to small. My eyes strain for print on both scales . anyway good buys man very good
HO is most common in north America however in Europe 00 is most common. They are almost the exact same scale (Even run on the same track) however 00 trains are slightly larger. I believe for N scale there isn't a difference around the world.
I got pretty big into N scale about 16 years ago and bought lots of these off eBay and realized that as long as they are destroyed or physically burnt looking these locos are usually pretty good tough little guys for the most part.
The Penn Central trains are actually functional. 0/10 for realism.
Ooooooff
Wow, nice roast
Ouch!
OOOOOOOooooo
*gottem*
Harrison, someday, you should have a N scale running live stream. I'M SHOCKED SOME OF THOSE LOCOMOTIVES RAN!!!! Keep up the great work boss.
I'm not. Half of those engines are German.
I modeled in N-scale, starting in 1970, and I know which of the old brands are good and which aren't, but unlike you, I have no talent for fixing them.
That GP7 looked like an old Arnold/Rapido model, built in West Germany. They had the oversized silver wheels and dual drive.
They were maybe the best running of the N-scale engines of the time - very weighty, and their ALCO FA cab unit engines had metal bodies. The body shells were a little bit out of scale. They were also sold under the Aurora, or Revelle label.
The Atlas models with only four driving wheels were basically worthless, but some of them, built in Austria (I think?) featured dual drive (all axles powered) and could be spotted by their red gearing, visible from the bottom. Their GP30 was one of the good types. The body shells were crisply detailed and very authentic looking, however.
Minitrix locomotives, I believe, were manufactured in Austria and were highly regarded back in the early 70s. They were heavy, but had a tiny 3-pole motor that required a good bit of juice to get them started. Once they started running, they were good runners, with no jerky operation.
Bachmann's offerings in that era featured metal gearing and were loud, but they were superior runners to the 80s models with the nylon gearing, that caused jerky starts and uneven acceleration, and the plastic gears tended to warp over time.
Yay N scale! Makes me happy!
My Wife and I Have N Scale working on her N Scale. Still have a Little work to do on Mine Right now I Am Working on my Wife’s Starting on the Track Plan which I think is Gonna Pan Out. She’s gonna Love It.
Thanks for sharing.
Im just getting back into model railroading for the first time since I was a kid. I wanted to go HO scale but I working with very limited space, so I ordered up some n scale stuff. Should be lots of fun nonetheless
Wow! That was a deal. It will be nice to see them again after your magic. See ya.
What a lot. Great video SMT!
and i also wish i had HO and N scale locomotives, steam engines are my favorrite
It's cool your getting more into n scale. Looking forward to seeing more videos featured about it, as I really like your channel.
I am still growing up with the uhm Ho scale my grandpa his first engine was N scale but next he got ho and he is the one that helps me keep my rail road going.☺️
I’m pretty sure that the Pennsylvania railroad never owned f45
No, they didn't. According to American Rails (www.american-rails.com/34036.html) and WikiPedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F45) the railroads who owned F45's were the Burlington Northern, Great Northern and Santa Fe.
Oh...and for those who say that's an FP45 - Pennsy never owned any of those, either.
For what ever reason Lima made a bunch of fictional FP45 Locomotives in N and HO scale.
Nope, never had any. Somehow I’ve got like 3 though.
@@ROKMAN1445 I hear ya. The Quail Valley Railroad has an F45. And an FP45. For some reason, they're both old (and I'm talking decades here) Athearn blue box locos.
@@antonbruce1241 there’s 4 railroad names you can slap onto any model and get them to sell, anything Pennsylvania NYC UP or Santa Fe will sell like wildfire. Anything else? Good luck.
The burlington northern locomotive is an emd gp40
You should find a Kato n scale locomotive! They run so smoothly. Try kato soon!!!!
Great deal. I know you will get them all back in great shape.
That shunter seems to be grossly oversized for N scale.
It's probably HOn3
I'm a N Scaler too and have a few DC locals. Show us how you clean and especially if you convert to DCC. I haven't ever converted as of yet but I plan to soon. Thanks, Chris
I will certainly make videos on repairing them but I've never converted an N scale engine to DCC.
@@SMTMainline Once you get into those Alco units you'll see why so many N scale layouts stay in DC.
@@michaelbujaki2462 I have a large N scale collection, a lot of them older things I found cheap. For that reason, and N scale locomotives being so small, my N scale layout will always remain DC.
Being a miniaturist years ago, I have a fondness for the N scale trains
The one with 2 front axles and 3 rear axles is an interesting one. I think only two types of locomotives ever used this wheel arrangement. This one is a Fairbanks-Morse C-liner passenger locomotive and the extra axle on the rear truck was unpowered and was there to support the extra weight of the steam generator for passenger use.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_Consolidated_line#C-liner_models
The other locomotive with this wheel arrangement was the EMD FL9.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FL9
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAR_wheel_arrangement#B-A1A
It is a C-liner. Made by Atlas. I have one.
The Santa Fe engine is a high hood rsd15
I think
Oh thanks for telling us I need to know
@Redlineoverload Productions it is a rsd15 look at the top the top of the sd9 is not slanted
@Redlineoverload Productionsand rsd15s have way longer noses that sd9s
@@aidens.7370 The giveaway that that's an Alco is the number boards being sort of recessed at the top corners and the headlight sticking out. That's a signature look of Alco high hoods.
That's a "Lot" of N scale locomotives for the money, Harrison. Nice that the seller included a dummy B unit for the Pennsylvania loco. You now have quite a few N scale Penn Central locos in your collection.
Thanks for sharing. 🎅🎄⛄
i searched to see if you attempted repairing any of these from the group. I am waiting with baited breath for your videos on them. They , even in the lousy condition, are more expensive than that box of HO poor runners. you do a great job on the video showing us step by step what you do.
I prefer ho scale trains better but N scale is pretty good too.
How dare you!
The only reason why I have n scale, is because of the small space that I have, ho is too big to use, n scale has advantages of haveing a longer and smaller train.
@@x32playsimulator32 well yes I will say N scale does conserve a lot of space.
Well, in my opinion it depends on space you have. HO Scale is very good, but its very expensive in some deals. But N scale is smaller so that is the "problem". I prefer N scale because i have models. But still every Scale is very good.
Stay safe guys!
N scale train vids *O P I N I O N S*
The first penncentrals back wheel was off the track
Good old N scale
Good to see a lil n scale love
Those penn central units are alco f or pa1 locomotives. They can be identified by the more squared nose
Yes my type of video! Love that penn central locomotive! I think that’s an Alco PA but I LOVE IT!
I liked the zooming in the beginning. It made your video look very professional Harrison. Good Job.
Why is smt videos just amazing he comes up with the best train videos
The engine with the 2 axels in the front in 3 in the back could be an fl-9 chassis with s swapped shell
That's what I'm thinking. I got a Roco EMD F8 once, but it had a Rivarossi shell.
I feel like if Arnold Rapido and Rivarossi teamed up to have Arnold drive-trains and Rivarossi shells they would have been unstoppable.
Nice vid and lot boss man!
N scale locomotives are designed and built with more precision than any larger scale. Especially brands like Kato and Micro Trains. ScaleTrains is a newer brand I've not owned yet. They're supposed to be good. I own five brands of engines and Kato is clearly the best. They're the smoothest running at slow speeds, and have the fastest top speed, also the most quiet running, excellent detail on the bodies, though ScaleTains are said to have great detail and paint work.
I just got 3 N scale locomotives from an antique shop, its called Boxcar Treasures®. a conrail GP50, and two Union pacific F units. (One is a dummy unit) the GP50 and one of the F units are lifelike, while the Dummy unit is a Lone star engine, never heard of that company tho.
Let me guess...the "runners" are going to get a nice cleaning and re-lubing?
I think so.
Except that BN unit, it's brand new.
N scale: perfect for a small room/apartment, but really expensive.
I love old N scale, and I do find the older models of low-cost manufacturers run much better than their HO offerings. They often aren't prototypical, but this model railroader doesn't care (my imagination is always more attractive than reality, anyhow). I still have Rapido couplers on all my stuff, and since my collection is large and I'm working on upgrading my HO couplers first, the N scale will wait awhile. And, at many train shows, people are almost giving away N scale cars with Rapido couplers, so there's that.
I’m in love with the penn central
Man I was really hoping that Pennsylvania F45 would run and it didn't disappoint as did most of that lot! Bummer the industrial switcher and the odd Pennsy locomotives didn't run, but if it's an Atlas (the Penssy one) locomotive, they may still have parts to get it running again! Also both the BN and Penn Central are indeed GP40s, thanks for sharing!
The difference between a GP40 and a GP38 is the GP40 has three radiator vents in the back where the GP38 has 2.
0:46 Arnold Rapido GP7
1:30 Bachmann F3
2:33 Another Arnold Rapido GP7
3:15 Atlas (Attempt at FL9?)
4:00 Lima 0-4-0 (A Plymouth MDT)
4:45 SD7 (make unknown)
5:30 Arnold Rapido (Alco F1/F2)
6:00 GP38 (make unknown)
6:40 Another GP38 (make unknown)
7:30 Lima FP45
8:30 Another Arnold Rapido (Alco F1/F2)
For more information on these, check out spookshow.net. He even has instructions on how to get into the Arnold FA1.
The Lima FP 45, due to it's light weight, has trouble with power pickup and power. I filled mine with lead weights and was able to triple is pulling capacity and drastically improve it's power pickup reliability.
1:30 looks like an early Bachmann F9 (the gaudily oversize one).
The locomotive at 3:15 is a Fairbanks-Morse C-liner. Passenger C-liners had a B-A1A configuration because steam generators are heavy, y0.
4:45 is not an SD9, it's a Mehano/Model Power/whatever RSD15 (although in the real world if it was high hood and ATSF it'd be an RSD7 - but the paint makes it basically fictitious in any case).
The locomotives at 6:00 and 6:40 are both GP40s, both Model Power/Mehano by the looks of it. GP38s only have two radiator fans.
Super. 💙 T.E.N.
I was hoping the lirr style c-liner would work but hey it looks good!
I Like Both Scales Ho And N.
Just get a Elvis Perlesy train se oh from eBay four $79.00 still in the box every used vi just back in oh this year Ian more into Lionel trains and mth trains you got in into the hobby I really like it Thank
those are awesome
The Burlington northern engine is a GP 38 because it has three fans on the back the GP 40 has two fans on the back
Im not an expert, but I believe its the other way around.
7:34 the locomotive there is either an SDP40F or an F45 unit
Hey a change of scale for once
That’s a lot of n scale engines you have!
Great purchase, you did good!
You should;d do more N scale videos, including a collection video
@SMTMainline i have that ahm switcher new in the box i got it at a flee market for $7 idk if it runs yet i dont have a n scale layout lol
Nice locomotives, eh?
You should do a video where you review All of your new scale trains
The penn central gp38 might have a problem with the drive shafts
Why don't you ever use more realistic couplers?
Love the video Harrison
Are we just not going to address the Bo-Co diesel?
(The one that looks like a c liner)
The LIRR had them at one point.
Thats a nice lot!
First locomotive looks like a SD-40 Highnose
It's actually a GP7. Arnold Rapido called it a GP9, but it's actually a GP7 with dynamic brake.
Love it! I just recently got into N scale, also 100th comment!
i like your videos
Hey SMT I was wondering if you had any cool ideas for a layout, because I would like to build my grandpa an entire layout before Christmas arrives
New follower. I’ll be buying used N for my Grandson. Question are you buying to resell or to have a locomotive empire? What’s been your average cost per N scale locomotive? Which Mfg have you found most reliable of the vintage engines? Atlas, Kato? Thanks 🙏 much. Dave in PA
N scale is gud
Do you mean good?
There are a lot of Penn Central’s and PRR
Nice find. I am currently getting into N scale to make a traveling layout. I recently got a FA 1 and a FB 1 from ebay and they worked great. Are you going to do any N scale stuff soon?
Awesome!
Cool
That PRR loco at 7:44 is a SDP40f.
Super. Buenas maquinas.👍🚂🚂🚂
I guess I would ask, why did you buy them?
Cool video
the penn central unites that have the red p are alco f-a units im not sure if there fa2's or not.
That's a pretty good Ebay find!
Oxidation on wheels are usually the culprit for poor performance.
can the wheels be easily changed?
What track did you test these on? I like the hidden wires
I think that you did very good for price paid. Some work and they good as new. I will call that a win in my book 👍👍 plus the fact they very small and not much needed to work on them very awesome! I like the test track you got makes it easier to test them . I know i like To scale for what i model but I will say one thing n scale is actually better for small space and bigger and more user friendly to work on because smaller is Z scale and thats way to small. My eyes strain for print on both scales . anyway good buys man very good
I’m a lionel ho kind of guy
Cool!
I didn’t get those before in like 80 years
part of the wiper for the motor needs to be behind the wheel.
hello smt im andy his son i love you vid!:)
I see you got some Atlas true track SMT
the f7 unit wagon can be used on the other f7
Nice little haul. Why are there two main gauges for model trains? Is one European and the other American?
HO is most common in north America however in Europe 00 is most common. They are almost the exact same scale (Even run on the same track) however 00 trains are slightly larger. I believe for N scale there isn't a difference around the world.
@@SMTMainline thanks 👍🏼
Anyone remember when a bunch of apples spilled all over the track?
The burlington and the locomotive after it are both gp50's
Not bad Harrison 9 out of 11 run
Smt I have a n scale layout called the stallion it’s a Norfolk Southern f unit
That’s awesome
@@SMTMainline the stallion n scale train set is on sale at hobby lobby for $47.99 the original price $119
Hey smt, do you plan to restore the l&n diesel?
I know this isn’t related whatsoever but, do you know where I can buy a N scale Fairbanks Morse FMZ Train Master?
What are the best companies for cheap n scale trains under $200
Going to Train Shop or Train Shows would Be Good for me instead of going online.
Now make an n scale runaway train
And what seller do you find these from?
The santa fe is an alco rsd7
Ik that myself because i have a ho scale burlington gp50
Is that kato unitrack?
No, it's Atlas.
Ok cool