Nice choice going with the clear, looks really good, and well done with the screws. A lot of the damage looks more like it was abandoned as a working vice and used as an anvil to hit things on. The acme thread and the jaws looked to be in exceptional condition for such a workhorse. Another great restoration, well done and thank you.
Thanks a lot. It was in exceptional condition. When I buy a vice I mainly pay attention to the jaws and the handle. If they are in good condition then the rest can be cleaned. The screws were such a pain. But I’m pleased with the outcome.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 im tempted to go linseed oil, its easy to recoat, but I did repaint mine, but then you have to be careful with it... yeah kinda regret painting
Wow, that is awesome. I have never seen a quick-release vise before. Good job you did restoring it to working order. It looks much better too. Excellent work.
Brilliant, I’ve just liberated a no.34 from my Wife’s Grandad’s (now-passed) workshop. I have it in bits and I’ve used one of those strip wheels in my grinder to clean it up. Just like you, I’ve damaged the jaw screws, they were seriously tight, but now I know how to fix them, cheers for that.
Thank you very much, I wrecked my brain trying to decide a colour. I’m tired of bright vices in the shop. Now it’s a great workhorse and no paint to chip.
Mate just awesome thanks for sharing your passion and skills with us. Really agree with the clear for something you want to keep....looks mint! I have 16 Record vices all in the "process" of being restored including No 36.
What a coincidence. I just picked up the exact same vice which was a little worse than yours but salvagable. Was looking how to strip down when I found your video. All stripped ready for cleaning. Thank you very much.
Always need a good vice, the acorn shaped end of the screw where handle is, means it was made between 1945;and 1959, after it was blunt cut off, before war vices were heavier cruder designed, my 25 is from same period, I restored that in 89 or so, still use it everyday
Killer restoration! Nice weld job on those machine screws, too. I had a friend turn a few for me because I couldn't readily find new ones. Further, your flap-disc use is epic. I wish I'd thought of that a year ago.
@@mytinyworkshop1213, just keep doing great restorations. I can't stand the half-cocked videos that merely make for new videos. You've got a great future ahead of you, indeed!
I have just restored an old 35 vice got the old round knob on it and it was crazy rusty. I finished it with linseed oil and then beeswax but I forgot what side that slider bar tube thingy went in so thanks lol.
Excellent restoration! Very well done Sir! I have a Woden 190/8 awaiting restoration... bought it from an auction for £22. I think the Recod Company eveolved from Woden (at least that's wat I was told). I've subscribed. Greetings from Southport.
You got a #34 for £10. Steal!! And it was in really nice condition. My personal preference on a vise with so much original paint and a label would have been to shine up the unpainted surfaces, especially the machined/sliding ones, clean the paint carefully, and clear coat OVER the existing paint. (my preference is to make tools look as if they're the age-they-are, but as if they're been used and looked after by a skilled craftsman all their life, even if they haven't!!!). Nice catch on the jaw bolts. Real restoration there.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Dirty car boot secret. 95% of sellers don't know the difference between a steel vice and a cast iron vice. And sell them for the same price :-)
Great video! I am restoring the same vice. The problem I have run into is the jaw screws. Mine were destroyed and I can’t source them anywhere. I’m considering tapping for some different ones but it just doesn’t feel right. Thanks for the great content.
If you're in the UK they are available on Ebay for around £4 each. The screws have a long taper on them so even if you tap out the holes standard countersunk screws won't hold the original jaws on. A new set of jaws and screws is around £50 which isn't too bad given that decent jaws should last at least 50 odd years
hi love the video and the restoration particularly the clear coat look-can i ask which clear coat you went for.Ims struggling to find a decent spray industrial clear coat for my amateur attempt!!
I can’t actually remember the brand. If I done this restoration today I would only use danish oil. I make my own (1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 clear polyurethane varnish 1/3 white spirit). Simply apply and wipe off.
I've got a Record 36 quick release in rough shape, I'm restoring I like the clear coat idea ... never thought of that thanks....you've also helped me no end as I stripped the vice a while back and I was unaware some parts were missing ie the springs and washers on the screw. Once again Thanks😎
I love the job on it, I'd have done the paint different but than we're all different. I'd have done two coats primer, two coats paint and then two coats industrial clear. I have seen and heard of quick release vices, however I can't think of a practical use for one, would you happen to know of one?
It’s literally good for any job that requires you to open the vice more than a couple inches. Just press a lever and it slides open or shut. The you just turn the handle to tighten or release. Saves a lot of time.
For repetition work, Q/R is horrible. With a plain screw you get more power and control. But for "mixed" home workshop use, they're great. If you're working on a rectangular part, being able to switch from long side to short side holding quickly is SO HANDY!
I have a 36 which i'd like to restore, I was looking for a video on doing it but your 34 is the nearest I could find. Is the quick release mechanism on the 36 anything like on the 34. Thanks.
Great restoration. I've just stripped down my No.34 and stumbled across your video. Yours appears to be in better condition than mine (mine has a bend in the handle). Other than that I'm pleased I found your vid as I'll never remember how it goes back together ;)
Your welcome. Since your hammering the plastic won’t have time to melt. It might deform slightly but I’d rather sacrifice a hammer than my vice. Hope it goes well.
Love the spirit! What a beautiful filing vise also. I've restored a No.24 to working condition and love its weight and 6" jaw width. BUT, there's times the quick release wants to let go and I have to hold it down, gently to maintain pressure in the jaws as I crank into the workpiece. Only works like that for workpieces between about an inch and 1/2 an inch. Taken it apart a few times and cannot figure out what's up here. Ever come across anything like that? Love to correspond. Have a 53E carpenter's 13" jaws, the 24, No. 4 engineer's/ 4.5" jaw and a Paramo 52 w 13" jaws on an old school furnituremaker's bench I made - all working condition and making stuff.
I haven’t experienced any problems with the quick release. I also have a substantial vice collection including a 24 with a broken jaw. Bought it for £3. I’m hoping to attempt a restoration this summer. I’m slowly restoring a record 112 (not filming). I wish I had more space to mount and use my vices. I’m mainly using the 34.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 I'll let you know if I ever figure it out. BTW, as I was working on it I misjudged the centre of gravity. There's a 1"D x 3"W divot in my shop's wooden floor now! Glad it's not in my foot!! For £3 you got a steal but a broken a broken jaw sounds hard to fix. Best of luck... I'll watch out for the vid ;)
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Principles are all the same but careful with its centre of gravity! If your efforts don't work, and I hope they do, I could perhaps use the screw & QR mechanism. All the best m8!
The QR used a buttress thread. Perhaps careful examination will reveal wear or damage on part of the thread. Perhaps careful use of diamond flat files could restore the thread. Or look at the half nut and offer it up to the main shaft in the worn area. Try putting plastersene on it and checking the clearances. Just like piston to valve clearances... compare different sections on the shaft. I think half nut are available as a spare part... Just some random thoughts.....hope they're helpful... I have a few fettled records, including a thoroughly abused 24QR and have more to do. The 24QR mounts right onto the No6 swivel base (Irwin China)!
Hi could you tell me exactly what varnish to use on the boiled teak and white sprit and varnish Finnish you said you would use if doing this job today . thanks in advance Lee
Great video! I just bought one from ebay, similar condition to yours. Its on its way to me now. What size bolts does it take to mount? M12's, M16's? And is that bottom flange about 20mm thick? I want to have bolts ordered to be all ready for when vice gets here, Thanks
Thanks pal, I have the vice now. I've taken off the quick release mechanism, but the main screw isn't coming out like yours did, its like its hitting a stop and springing back, any ideas?
I figured it out, was the back of the spindle. It was hammered and mushroomed out a little bit by the previous owner for some reason. I filed it down and punched it out
Inspiring video. At least it inspired me to get mine out and do it up! I have the same vice which I bought for a tenner about 20 years ago. It was so filthy and rusty I didn't like picking it up out it's box in the corner of the garage when I wanted to use it. Plus the Q/R mechanism no longer worked and 'jumped' when I wound the jaws open. I followed this video down to the letter and now I am back to the bare metal. I have polished the jaw mounts, the anvil and the slide at the back of the moving jaw to a mirror finish. Looks like chrome plating now. I love the metal look, but I'd like to set the polished areas off and although I am tempted by 'Record blue' as it is a restoration, I don't like the colour so I think I am going to get a little pot of green hammerite and pick the embossed letters and numbers out in red. I'll do the polished areas with your danish oil idea. So a big thanks! Without this vid I would never have started mine. Now I am about to get a workshop centre-piece and I have an extra space in my garage! edit Finally got around to posting some piccies. www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/attachments/whatsapp-image-2023-05-16-at-18-14-18-1-jpeg.399458/ www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/attachments/whatsapp-image-2023-05-16-at-18-14-18-jpeg.399459/
For anyone interested the jawbolts are M8 x1.0 with a steep countersink(not 45 deg) I’m doing up my 34 right now and managed to get a set of NOS jaws from a 23 (I think) which are identical sizing apart from they are standard 45deg countersink. Can’t find any fine pitch CSK bolts for sale anywhere though which is darn annoying but I have a lathe so am going to fashion a set. Fantastic vice if you can find one for sale though. Bombproof!!
Is that correct? If this was made in the UK during the '50s wouldn't the screws have been BSF? Reason I ask is I am basing my restoration of the same vice on @MyTinyWorkshop's vid (by the way - seminal vid, MyTiny... first class) and it looks like the jaw screws are going to need to be replaced. M8 is frighteningly close to 5/16 BSF. Other dimensions look to me like Imperial - Eg bar from quick release handle is 1/2" diameter and the flat iron for the quick release handle is 1" wide. (thickness is 0.131" - 0.136" which is a bit funny. Perhaps 9/64"?)
FWIW, I have just measured the pitch on the screw for quick release handle and that has a major diameter of 7.86mm and measures 14.1mm for 10 threads (Pitch of 1.41mm) BSW 5/16" thread has a major diameter of 7.938mm and a pitch of 1.411mm BSF 5/16" thread has a major diameter of 7.938mm and a pitch of 1.156mm M8 thread has a major diameter of 8.0mm and a pitch of 1.0mm Reference: boltport.com/threads/ At least for the quick release handle bolt, the closest is BSW. If and when I get something reasonable off the jaws, I'll measure that up but my money is on Whitworth.
I have an earlier steel 34 that gets used and abused weekly. It will without doubt outlast me. They changed from steel to ductile iron sometime between 53 and 58.
Hi there, really nice job with this. I'm currently restoring a very similar vise, in the same style as this video, and am wondering specifically which paint you used? Thanks.
Hi, thank you very much. I just used clear lacquer. No special brand. If I were to do this today I would use danish oil instead (1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 polyurethane varnish, 1/3 white spirit) Simply apply and wipe off and leave to dry.
Your welcome. It’s much better to maintain. Over time the clear chips without you knowing and rust appears in small places. I will probably be painting this vice in the near future with paragon bs381c 110 roundel blue (on eBay) I just came across this and used it for the first time last week on my no 1 vice. It is the original code for record blue.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 That sounds good, thank you. I think I will give Danish oil a try, as I really like the look you have achieved, and I have also spent a while removing paint from my vise. I really appreciate your time!
From the little knowledge I have I believe the steel means it is cast steel and not cast iron. These were much harder to cast since steel shrinks when cooling.
Since you are a record vice lover maybe you can tell me about my record 36 p. I was just wondering what years they were available? Is there any way to tell the age of a record 36 p?
Thanks for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks Paul for reading the description. I might ask a firm to custom make them, I need some other screws custom made so it might be worth it.
My tiny Workshop, why would you bother when the way you repaired the originals came out pretty good? Maybe next time use the very fine 1.5mm rods so you can drop the amps. That way you can actually build up the screw heads and not worry about blowing the tops off them with the 2.5mm rods you’re using. I’m wondering if there is a connection between Record and Parkinson as my quick release Parkinson looks to have an identical release mechanism and identical parts. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
Well done, sir. I particularly like that you didn't paint the vise. In the future, you might consider using a rust converter or bluing for a finish. They give an amazing aged look to old tools.
I hope this vice was in the "release" position before you started. You extended tbe jaws without turning the handle. Soak in distilled vinegar for two days, and it is still covered in rust. What a waste of time. You could have wire-wheeled it two days sooner and gotten the same result. That stuff over the jaw pad screws/bolts may have been an epoxy of some kind. No idea what purpose it may have served the owner (or his/her employee?) that put it on.
The technique works. I have the same vice as MyTiny's but more rusty and followed MyTiny's instructions. The rust becomes so loose in the vinegar you can rub a lot off with your hand. Makes the wire brushing really easy.
the best ever vice record produced, so practical , the best size and the finest iron
Nice choice going with the clear, looks really good, and well done with the screws. A lot of the damage looks more like it was abandoned as a working vice and used as an anvil to hit things on. The acme thread and the jaws looked to be in exceptional condition for such a workhorse. Another great restoration, well done and thank you.
Thanks a lot. It was in exceptional condition. When I buy a vice I mainly pay attention to the jaws and the handle. If they are in good condition then the rest can be cleaned. The screws were such a pain. But I’m pleased with the outcome.
What a fantastic job looks great without paint great video thanks for sharing 🍺🍺👍👍👍👍👊
Thanks again. Paint would have ruined it. I’m going to do the same thing with my 112 (that won’t be a video though).
@@mytinyworkshop1213 im tempted to go linseed oil, its easy to recoat, but I did repaint mine, but then you have to be careful with it... yeah kinda regret painting
I was tempted to do linseed oil.
I love restoring old vises... Interesting to watch old vises come to life .... Keep them movies coming!!! Good day mate!!
Wow, that is awesome. I have never seen a quick-release vise before. Good job you did restoring it to working order. It looks much better too. Excellent work.
Brilliant, I’ve just liberated a no.34 from my Wife’s Grandad’s (now-passed) workshop. I have it in bits and I’ve used one of those strip wheels in my grinder to clean it up. Just like you, I’ve damaged the jaw screws, they were seriously tight, but now I know how to fix them, cheers for that.
You can find the jaw screws on eBay uk now. Someone is selling them for about £4 each.
I have one of these, use it regularly, inherited from my dad many years ago. Nice job, might try it!👍
Wow great job. That's the most complex vise I've ever seen. I like the quick release mechanism.
Thanks, glad you like it
A very special vice - I can’t remember ever seeing one with the quick release
awesome restore, love the metal look . no paint on the old Record
Thank you very much, I wrecked my brain trying to decide a colour. I’m tired of bright vices in the shop. Now it’s a great workhorse and no paint to chip.
Excellent restoration
Thank you, glad you liked it.
That's the way a restored vise should look.
Thank you very much. I’m going to restore my other vices like this. Perfect industrial look.
Excellent. Lots of useful tips/techniques....👍🏻🛠️
Thanks, I’m glad you got some useful tips.
Nice job and was happy with the clear coat.
Thank you so much, the clear is just perfect.
Lovely job, I just finished my 35 too , cracking tool.
Thanks. I love the 35. I also have one to paint. Not in a rush though.
Mate just awesome thanks for sharing your passion and skills with us. Really agree with the clear for something you want to keep....looks mint! I have 16 Record vices all in the "process" of being restored including No 36.
A fellow record vice collector. I think I’m at 11 for records so far. I also have some other brands. I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
Love the raw look.. very nice 👌 job...
Thank you
Nice job on a classic vise. Well done!
Thank you, glad you like it.
Love the raw metal look.. Some metal is just to nice to cover up.. nice video...
Thank you
What a coincidence. I just picked up the exact same vice which was a little worse than yours but salvagable. Was looking how to strip down when I found your video. All stripped ready for cleaning. Thank you very much.
Very nice. Glad I could help. Enjoy your vice
I noticed today I lost the screw for the flat plate and the quick release. Need to find some replacements. Went for green Ral 6005 afterwards.
Very nice job MTW.. Glad to see another vise restoration.. I never get tired of watching those... Keep up the great videos...
Glad you liked it. I have more vice restorations coming. I have a Swindens, record 52 1/2, record 24 with broken jaw and a post vice.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Oooo yummy, can't wait...I'll go ahead and sub so I don't miss it...lol...
Great vid, Ty. I really enjoy your restorations; I like to guess at what color you will be painting by the end. Keep'm coming!
Great job...Nice...
Thank you very much.
Always need a good vice, the acorn shaped end of the screw where handle is, means it was made between 1945;and 1959, after it was blunt cut off, before war vices were heavier cruder designed, my 25 is from same period, I restored that in 89 or so, still use it everyday
Thank you for telling me the dates. I absolutely love old tools. Better quality and a piece of history.
Nice look going with the clear coat, would love one of these for my little workshop 👍
I absolutely adore this vice. I defo recommend it.
I'm on Ebay now 🤣🤣
Check marketplace on Facebook. Sometimes you can find a good deal.
Hi bro 👋👋👋 very good restoration vise 👍👍👍
Thanks again, glad you liked it
Killer restoration! Nice weld job on those machine screws, too. I had a friend turn a few for me because I couldn't readily find new ones. Further, your flap-disc use is epic. I wish I'd thought of that a year ago.
Thanks a lot. I’m really pleased you enjoyed it. Your comment means a lot.
@@mytinyworkshop1213, just keep doing great restorations. I can't stand the half-cocked videos that merely make for new videos. You've got a great future ahead of you, indeed!
Dude, another nice comment like that and I might shed a tear. Thank you so much.
nice bro
Thank you
Great job...
Thank you
Nice restoration I really like how you left it looking metallic and didn't paint a color on it
Thank you. Iv been struggling to decide what colour to paint it. I’m fed up of record blue. It just made sense to make it look industrial.
Top job
Thank you
An interesting design for this vice.
Well done job.
Thank you
I like it!
Glad you liked it.
It was very good ..
Thank you
good job
Thank you
I have just restored an old 35 vice got the old round knob on it and it was crazy rusty. I finished it with linseed oil and then beeswax but I forgot what side that slider bar tube thingy went in so thanks lol.
I’m glad the video helped.
Excellent restoration! Very well done Sir! I have a Woden 190/8 awaiting restoration... bought it from an auction for £22. I think the Recod Company eveolved from Woden (at least that's wat I was told). I've subscribed. Greetings from Southport.
You got a #34 for £10. Steal!!
And it was in really nice condition. My personal preference on a vise with so much original paint and a label would have been to shine up the unpainted surfaces, especially the machined/sliding ones, clean the paint carefully, and clear coat OVER the existing paint.
(my preference is to make tools look as if they're the age-they-are, but as if they're been used and looked after by a skilled craftsman all their life, even if they haven't!!!).
Nice catch on the jaw bolts. Real restoration there.
Absolute steal. I was so shocked when the guy told me the price. Just 5 minutes after buying that I got a record 112 for £30. 2 dream vices in 1 day.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Dirty car boot secret. 95% of sellers don't know the difference between a steel vice and a cast iron vice.
And sell them for the same price :-)
A lot of them just see rubbish. I see gold.
Very nice job. Love it not painted by the way.
Thank you very much, glad you like the finish.
Great video! I am restoring the same vice. The problem I have run into is the jaw screws. Mine were destroyed and I can’t source them anywhere. I’m considering tapping for some different ones but it just doesn’t feel right. Thanks for the great content.
I still haven’t been able to find the correct screws. I hope you find a solution.
If you're in the UK they are available on Ebay for around £4 each. The screws have a long taper on them so even if you tap out the holes standard countersunk screws won't hold the original jaws on. A new set of jaws and screws is around £50 which isn't too bad given that decent jaws should last at least 50 odd years
Love the video and will be doing a very similar project soon.
"2 coats of industrial clear."
What is industrial clear?
Thanks, Paul.
hi love the video and the restoration particularly the clear coat look-can i ask which clear coat you went for.Ims struggling to find a decent spray industrial clear coat for my amateur attempt!!
I can’t actually remember the brand. If I done this restoration today I would only use danish oil. I make my own (1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 clear polyurethane varnish 1/3 white spirit). Simply apply and wipe off.
I've got a Record 36 quick release in rough shape, I'm restoring I like the clear coat idea ... never thought of that thanks....you've also helped me no end as I stripped the vice a while back and I was unaware some parts were missing ie the springs and washers on the screw.
Once again Thanks😎
I like that you didn't paint it. Looks great!
Glad you like it. going to do that on some of my other vices. Came out pretty awesome
I love the job on it, I'd have done the paint different but than we're all different. I'd have done two coats primer, two coats paint and then two coats industrial clear. I have seen and heard of quick release vices, however I can't think of a practical use for one, would you happen to know of one?
It’s literally good for any job that requires you to open the vice more than a couple inches. Just press a lever and it slides open or shut. The you just turn the handle to tighten or release. Saves a lot of time.
For repetition work, Q/R is horrible. With a plain screw you get more power and control.
But for "mixed" home workshop use, they're great. If you're working on a rectangular part, being able to switch from long side to short side holding quickly is SO HANDY!
You explained it better than me. Thanks Paul
Pretty sure I was subscribed to you already. Had to do it again.
Thanks for subscribing again.
Distilled vinegar you say. Looks more like balsamic to me! 😁👌
I had to make sure I wrote distilled since it does look like malt or balsamic lol. Glad I don’t use vinegar now
I have a 36 which i'd like to restore, I was looking for a video on doing it but your 34 is the nearest I could find. Is the quick release mechanism on the 36 anything like on the 34. Thanks.
Hi, I’m pretty sure everything will be the same, only bigger. Good luck.
Great restoration.
I've just stripped down my No.34 and stumbled across your video. Yours appears to be in better condition than mine (mine has a bend in the handle). Other than that I'm pleased I found your vid as I'll never remember how it goes back together ;)
I also have a 34 with a bent handle. How did you straighten it??
Hope your restoration went well
I heat it up with a propane torch and hammer it straight with a heavy plastic hammer. The plastic doesn’t dent the soft metal.
Thanks for the suggestion. The idea of a plastic hammer is great, I guess I'd need to be quick so it doesn't melt the plastic!! ;)
Your welcome. Since your hammering the plastic won’t have time to melt. It might deform slightly but I’d rather sacrifice a hammer than my vice. Hope it goes well.
You need to say "I make new ones"!
I can’t afford a copyright strike lol.
Raridade!!!!
Love the spirit! What a beautiful filing vise also. I've restored a No.24 to working condition and love its weight and 6" jaw width. BUT, there's times the quick release wants to let go and I have to hold it down, gently to maintain pressure in the jaws as I crank into the workpiece. Only works like that for workpieces between about an inch and 1/2 an inch. Taken it apart a few times and cannot figure out what's up here. Ever come across anything like that? Love to correspond. Have a 53E carpenter's 13" jaws, the 24, No. 4 engineer's/ 4.5" jaw and a Paramo 52 w 13" jaws on an old school furnituremaker's bench I made - all working condition and making stuff.
I haven’t experienced any problems with the quick release. I also have a substantial vice collection including a 24 with a broken jaw. Bought it for £3. I’m hoping to attempt a restoration this summer. I’m slowly restoring a record 112 (not filming). I wish I had more space to mount and use my vices. I’m mainly using the 34.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 I'll let you know if I ever figure it out. BTW, as I was working on it I misjudged the centre of gravity. There's a 1"D x 3"W divot in my shop's wooden floor now! Glad it's not in my foot!! For £3 you got a steal but a broken a broken jaw sounds hard to fix. Best of luck... I'll watch out for the vid ;)
It sure will be difficult. I’m not even sure if it’s possible. My small watchmaker vice video was practice for the big league.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Principles are all the same but careful with its centre of gravity! If your efforts don't work, and I hope they do, I could perhaps use the screw & QR mechanism. All the best m8!
The QR used a buttress thread. Perhaps careful examination will reveal wear or damage on part of the thread. Perhaps careful use of diamond flat files could restore the thread. Or look at the half nut and offer it up to the main shaft in the worn area. Try putting plastersene on it and checking the clearances. Just like piston to valve clearances... compare different sections on the shaft. I think half nut are available as a spare part... Just some random thoughts.....hope they're helpful... I have a few fettled records, including a thoroughly abused 24QR and have more to do. The 24QR mounts right onto the No6 swivel base (Irwin China)!
Hi could you tell me exactly what varnish to use on the boiled teak and white sprit and varnish Finnish you said you would use if doing this job today . thanks in advance
Lee
Pop O rings over the handle to stop it sliding around
Great video! I just bought one from ebay, similar condition to yours. Its on its way to me now. What size bolts does it take to mount? M12's, M16's? And is that bottom flange about 20mm thick? I want to have bolts ordered to be all ready for when vice gets here, Thanks
Hi bolt hole is 12mm. And the base is just under 30mm.
Thanks pal, I have the vice now. I've taken off the quick release mechanism, but the main screw isn't coming out like yours did, its like its hitting a stop and springing back, any ideas?
I figured it out, was the back of the spindle. It was hammered and mushroomed out a little bit by the previous owner for some reason. I filed it down and punched it out
Inspiring video. At least it inspired me to get mine out and do it up!
I have the same vice which I bought for a tenner about 20 years ago. It was so filthy and rusty I didn't like picking it up out it's box in the corner of the garage when I wanted to use it. Plus the Q/R mechanism no longer worked and 'jumped' when I wound the jaws open. I followed this video down to the letter and now I am back to the bare metal. I have polished the jaw mounts, the anvil and the slide at the back of the moving jaw to a mirror finish. Looks like chrome plating now.
I love the metal look, but I'd like to set the polished areas off and although I am tempted by 'Record blue' as it is a restoration, I don't like the colour so I think I am going to get a little pot of green hammerite and pick the embossed letters and numbers out in red. I'll do the polished areas with your danish oil idea.
So a big thanks! Without this vid I would never have started mine. Now I am about to get a workshop centre-piece and I have an extra space in my garage!
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Finally got around to posting some piccies.
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Someone actually makes those screws now, they are a nightmare to remove compared to the later screws.
For anyone interested the jawbolts are M8 x1.0 with a steep countersink(not 45 deg)
I’m doing up my 34 right now and managed to get a set of NOS jaws from a 23 (I think) which are identical sizing apart from they are standard 45deg countersink. Can’t find any fine pitch CSK bolts for sale anywhere though which is darn annoying but I have a lathe so am going to fashion a set. Fantastic vice if you can find one for sale though. Bombproof!!
Thank you very much. Iv wanted this info for so long and nobody could help me. Thanks a bunch.
Any idea how old this is, I have one on my bench that has been there 45+ years to my knowledge.
I am finishing my 35 vice (old round handle) and would love to know what screws it needs as they are knackered??
Is that correct? If this was made in the UK during the '50s wouldn't the screws have been BSF? Reason I ask is I am basing my restoration of the same vice on @MyTinyWorkshop's vid (by the way - seminal vid, MyTiny... first class) and it looks like the jaw screws are going to need to be replaced. M8 is frighteningly close to 5/16 BSF. Other dimensions look to me like Imperial - Eg bar from quick release handle is 1/2" diameter and the flat iron for the quick release handle is 1" wide. (thickness is 0.131" - 0.136" which is a bit funny. Perhaps 9/64"?)
FWIW, I have just measured the pitch on the screw for quick release handle and that has a major diameter of 7.86mm and measures 14.1mm for 10 threads (Pitch of 1.41mm)
BSW 5/16" thread has a major diameter of 7.938mm and a pitch of 1.411mm
BSF 5/16" thread has a major diameter of 7.938mm and a pitch of 1.156mm
M8 thread has a major diameter of 8.0mm and a pitch of 1.0mm
Reference: boltport.com/threads/
At least for the quick release handle bolt, the closest is BSW. If and when I get something reasonable off the jaws, I'll measure that up but my money is on Whitworth.
The quick release is pretty cool. Any idea how old this Vice is?
A fellow commenter said it’s between 1945 and 1959
I have an earlier steel 34 that gets used and abused weekly. It will without doubt outlast me. They changed from steel to ductile iron sometime between 53 and 58.
What kind of grease did you use
Hi there, really nice job with this. I'm currently restoring a very similar vise, in the same style as this video, and am wondering specifically which paint you used? Thanks.
Hi, thank you very much. I just used clear lacquer. No special brand. If I were to do this today I would use danish oil instead (1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 polyurethane varnish, 1/3 white spirit) Simply apply and wipe off and leave to dry.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Thank you so much for the fast reply, would you mind very briefly explaining the reason you changed your mind?
Your welcome. It’s much better to maintain. Over time the clear chips without you knowing and rust appears in small places. I will probably be painting this vice in the near future with paragon bs381c 110 roundel blue (on eBay) I just came across this and used it for the first time last week on my no 1 vice. It is the original code for record blue.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 That sounds good, thank you. I think I will give Danish oil a try, as I really like the look you have achieved, and I have also spent a while removing paint from my vise. I really appreciate your time!
Glad I could help. If you look at my guillotine cleanup video I used danish oil to finish that. Enjoy your vice.
My 35 vice says record steel and made in England (old round handle) any info on what the steel mark means?
From the little knowledge I have I believe the steel means it is cast steel and not cast iron. These were much harder to cast since steel shrinks when cooling.
Hello. I have a Record 34 which was my father in laws (he passed away in 2000). What size bolts do I need to secure it to my work bench?
Since you are a record vice lover maybe you can tell me about my record 36 p. I was just wondering what years they were available? Is there any way to tell the age of a record 36 p?
excellent job....but would have replace the screws with new ones...just my thought ...big respect from Mauritius
He said he couldn't source any
Thanks for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks Paul for reading the description. I might ask a firm to custom make them, I need some other screws custom made so it might be worth it.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Nah - buy an old lathe, restore it, make your own screws. It's the "one true way"
My tiny Workshop, why would you bother when the way you repaired the originals came out pretty good? Maybe next time use the very fine 1.5mm rods so you can drop the amps. That way you can actually build up the screw heads and not worry about blowing the tops off them with the 2.5mm rods you’re using. I’m wondering if there is a connection between Record and Parkinson as my quick release Parkinson looks to have an identical release mechanism and identical parts. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺
Thanks for the welding tip. I’m new to welding so the advice helps a lot. As for the screws I’d like to have a backup set.
perfectly done! retains all that character and decades of use. Over-painting ruins them in my opinion.
Thank you very much, I’m glad you appreciate it. I don’t think you will like the new video though. There is a lot of paint.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 might not be to my taste, but I'll certainly appreciate your hard work and efforts 👍
Thanks for the honesty.
Fantastic job! Would you be interested in selling it, I'm after a '34'?
Thank you so much for the offer but I can’t let this go. This is my favourite vice. I just let my 35 go a couple weeks ago and that kinda hurt.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 don't sell it, my 25 I've had 30 years , part of me!
It’s amazing how we become attached to tools.
@@mytinyworkshop1213 Particularly high quality ones! Low quality just breaks so you don't have time to get attached to them! 😂
Absolutely true. I like using tools that have stood the test of time.
Well done, sir. I particularly like that you didn't paint the vise. In the future, you might consider using a rust converter or bluing for a finish. They give an amazing aged look to old tools.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for the suggestion
Они и до очистки были в очень хорошем состоянии можно было работать и работать! Стали лучше чище!
That’s gripfill in those screws.
Yep, it must be
In chemistry you washed without gloves, and еру did the assembly in gloves! Where is the your mind?
Couldn't see end result as it was covered in other projects
Thanks I’ll see if I can change that.
Using a vice to restore a vice
Absolutely
I couldn't see the finished product because of all the ads at the end of the video.
Odd looking handle screw.
you wire wheel is out of bal
It’s a cheap wheel. I was waiting for someone to comment on that.
Restore your gloves
Check the end of the video, new gloves.
you sure can make beauty out of a pile of shit sir. thank you so, so, so, so, so much for not painting it in one of those gawdy hammerite colours.
Thank you very much. The clear is a perfect fit.
I hope this vice was in the "release" position before you started. You extended tbe jaws without turning the handle.
Soak in distilled vinegar for two days, and it is still covered in rust.
What a waste of time.
You could have wire-wheeled it two days sooner and gotten the same result.
That stuff over the jaw pad screws/bolts may have been an epoxy of some kind.
No idea what purpose it may have served the owner (or his/her employee?) that put it on.
Thanks for watching and for sharing you observations.
The vinegar helps asshole it loosens the rust,let's see your video restoring a vise🤦♂️🤷♂️
The technique works. I have the same vice as MyTiny's but more rusty and followed MyTiny's instructions. The rust becomes so loose in the vinegar you can rub a lot off with your hand. Makes the wire brushing really easy.
Another vice ruined