HD wasn't planning on being exposed. I got disgusted with HD years ago, the attitude in a dealership, the warranty requires a lawyer, getting a bike serviced was a expensive nightmare. I'm not saying this to try and start crap but I went back to metric bikes a few years ago and not one single problem since. Everyone has their choice of what they want and I respect that. Everyone ride safe.
I’ve been riding motorcycles for over four decades. I’ve owned every metric bike out there, but I’ve never owned a Harley. That being said, I still love riding Harley Davidson motorcycles I just simply don’t own one for several reasons mostly price. At the end of the day I got into riding motorcycles in the early 80s because I love riding motorcycles. Quite frankly I don’t give a shit what name is on the side of the bike. It’s about how the bike makes me feel when I’m riding it. And that includes Harley Davidson, metric, European and everything else out there.
@@pontiacdriver999Yeah but the dealer experience isn’t as bad. My buddy ran his newer R6 low on oil by accident and the dealer replaced the motor and only charged him labor. Customer service still exists for some brands…
I really appreciate your comment. It's rational and not insulting. I only ride Japanese bikes. I am back on crotch rockets after being on big cruisers for 15 years. My riding has changed and I am not interested in big rides or anything like that anymore. It's daily transport and weekend fun. I can still pack for a week trip if I want, but none on the horizon right now. I am all about the curves. I am a 50 year old gay dude, riding for over 35 years. I know that corporations who sponsor pride are doing it for the same reasons as do for any advertising. Make money. The LGBT community has and always will be a target, we are mostly dinks, duel income, no kids. Bottom line, we have disposable income. We are usually educated and have good paying jobs. I don't buy into the pandering. I don't buy products because they slapped on a rainbow flag. However, it obviously works and helps the bottom of these companies.
I am 45 years old and two years ago I decided to take the motorcycle riding class at a HD dealership for 325.00 as it was something I always wanted to do. After the class and getting my motorcycle endorsement I was ready for a Harley. Fàst forward. I am now on my second Harley and neither have been bought from a HD dealership. The HD dealerships sales department need to seriously rethink their business model. That being said I've always enjoyed visiting local and abroad HD dealerships. I've invested a good amount of money in my HD and I love it,I love wearing my HD leather jackets and other gear. I'm a decent middle class father and have a motorcycle for my weekend me time. Woke, woke, woke. Really really really???? It makes me sick. This is the one thing that I have wanted for the biggest part of my life and now politics have to mess with it??? What the hell. Why can't companies just sell their shit and stay out of politics??
I tell this to my dude all the time and he gets beyond butt hurt he wants to fight like dude your paying 40 50 bucks for shitty ass quality t shirts @michaelbiehl7516
Definitely agree. Its not just the women's though. They sold out on America a long time ago and now build their bikes overseas. Im just done with them all together. Sick of it. They are so full of themselves too
You can still ride without supporting the Motor Co. Vote with your dollar. The used market is SO oversaturated with HDs that there's no reason to buy at a dealership at this point.
That’s how I think. Honda is woke too. So is Indian (and probably the rest too.)no matter how you slice it up the only way to get our point across is on a retail level.
As a marketing major in college, we learned a marketing concept " You need to fit the asses of the masses." This means that running a successful business embraces the largest segment of your customer base and catering your marketing programs towards them. All this DEI and woke stuff does just the opposite. It seeks to highlight minority groups and push their issues to the forefront. When this is done, the vast majority of individuals get tired of being constantly bombarded with messages and images that do not pertain to us. Furthermore, these messages really have nothing to do with the company or the products they make. Not liking this messaging doesn't mean we are prejudiced against any of these groups. It just shows that it doesn't apply to the vast majority of us, and it certainly doesn't apply to our motorcycling experience. When we ride, we want to enjoy the freedom of being on the road and enjoying our time with like-minded people. Do I hate LGBT people or minorities? No, I do not!!! But this whole DEI and woke mentality assumes I do and targets me daily for a corrective massage program. That's why people push back and sometimes boycott a company for forcing this down our throat!!! So manufacturers listen up. Make an excellent product, run your business ethically, and stop assuming your customers need a daily reminder on how to treat others around us!!!
agreed.... And we have seen time and again it is a fool's errand for any Company to attach their Brands to contentious political or social issues.... It really makes you wonder WTF the conversation is in the Boardrooms of these businesses where these decisions are made.
My question is who has been pushing DEI and other divisive wedge issues. Politicians that’s who, they push these talking points to gain personal power while we fight amongst ourselves about who is right and who is wrong. These companies have been embracing these practices for the last ten years or more, and it wasn’t until it became a wedge issue in the political landscape did people really take notice and rebel against it. The real problem is the exorbitant fees that come with Harley and they way the treat their customers with all these fee’s and hefty prices for a bike with low tech that fails in comparison to what Honda, BMW, Indian and other manufacturers are doing.
I agree, however my issue is the only ones who are really vocal about it are the people who hate the different minority communities. I agree with you and Hegs in that companies need to stay neutral or more apt to their main customers in their marketing campaigns, but at the same time the hate in this country is absolutely disgusting and it’s really only the haters that are super vocal and critical about it.
I find both woke and anti-woke people to be equivalently hysterical; they both get triggered by minor things that have no effect on them. For instance, none of this LGBT and Diversity and Inclusion affects us personally, so being reactive to it is highly hysterical. I'd be much more concerned with, say, illegal wage theft. Nothing else takes more money out of your pocket than that. That's, what, several thousand dollars each year per worker?
@@neo-cd9jm Exactaly...But, The GREATER ISSUE is who caused the Board to be Changed....Who controlls the Nominations/ Selections at the Board??? Get it....The entry through the back door has been slow, steady, deliberate, and BACKED BY REAL MONEY. Same at other firms. This is to Destroy American Culture. And American quality. This is all Pure Evil.
Yes. for sure. It harley board is obviously scamming everyone while they collect secret money from major left-wing political organizations. Gates, Soros on and on. The guy making this video is also hiding under a rock. " won't sell my harley" Go away!
You must do Real Research to answer this important question.....Them that have made the selection are the ______. Start digging....Then, all you can do is stop buying from the firm, until it changes. Otherwise...well....are you getting the drift???
Look at the rest of the board of directors.... They pretty much all need to go.... They are all globalists and they want to tear down strong American symbols. The funny thing about these people, is despite the pandering of pushing DEI or LGBTQ.... These people and who they represent, were at the forefront of pushing these same people down.
@@samael9676 yea. I'm glad Kidd Rock went against bud.... then a few months later was caught drinking a bud light. Pretty sus trump gave him a cabinet spot.
Not going to sell my Roadking but not too enthusiastic about buying another Harley. The problem with a lot of these boycotts is that it doesn’t harm the corporate goof who implemented the philosophy. It’s the bottom of the chain people working for the company that are affected by a policy they had nothing to do with.
I agree it only hurts the employees and the customers I’m not selling my Harley. It’s an anniversary model way before woke. I don’t advocate woke. I don’t even like talking about it but if people wanna get rid of their Harleys and discontinue something that they truly love go for it. I guess I won’t be seeing you on the road.
Larry Fink of Black Rock said that sometimes change must be forced upon people. There’s a lot of money behind the DIE movement. Harley is just the latest fly in this spider web of cultural change.
Didn't Hitler believe in forcing change on people. Ask the 12 million Jews. Oh that's right you can't, they're all dead by his forcing change on them. Y'all see where we're headed dontcha.
He said it, because that is the plan. BR is mostly responsible for pushing DEI in the US. BR is also the asset management (aka, control and theft) front for the WEF and Great Reset. This is all part of the plan to bring every company, industry and nation under the iron boot of one global, tyrannical organization.
Same to same. My '81 sporty bought used in87 or 88. My '48 pan, same bought used. My 62 pan, yup used. My newest is a '03 dyna, bought it in 2019. Hey Harley t.m. I hope y'all's sink. Apparently y'all can't swim like a normal company. I'll still ride your junk because I like them. You've never gotten a nickel from me as I buy used and keep it running by aftermarket parts and I do all my own work. And in the future you'll never get a nickel from me. And if your a fruity guy zeitz, you can suck the snotty end of my f*k stick.
I just sold a 89 Harley Davidson fxstc with a 89 original Harley springer front end only had 39000 original miles in it only thing not original on it was the exhaust and carb even still had the original coil on it from 89
I’m buying an Indian and trading my Harley. With only 500 miles on it the transmission crapped the bed and somehow Harley feels bothered that I don’t think 1-2 months to fix it is acceptable
New Indian touring bikes have electrical issues, and some kind of suspension recalls. They support lgbxyz crap too. You're not getting away from it going to them.
@jimmywhispers3133 well I got a 22 street glide got to ride it for 4 days ignition lock locked up key stuck in it :-( they came and got it :-) but it took them 2 1/2 months just to get the new lock shipped to them to install it :-( needless to say summer was over by the time I got to ride my brand new bike. Won't buy another harley ever
Before you go and spend money on that Indian. You may want to check out Polaris. I read and heard they may be just as bad as Harley with this woke dei nonsense.
I totally disagree with DEI. I totally agree with treating people with respect and hiring based on performance not how someone looks. Sure you will always be more comfortable with people you have more in common with, but you hire people based on skill sets.
But that's the thing, the hiring is done by human beings.. for any open position HR will get tons of candidates, and a lot of those will have the required skills. So the hiring will be driven by "who looks like it will be more comfortable working with", and that's how you end up with a homogeneous. workforce. Therefore, without a company policy enforcing inclusivity, you end up discriminating against anyone that doesn't look like you.
@@felipe.gtz.b That use to be true, but not true over all. Discriminating can mean having refined taste or treating people in a worse way. When you hire people based on gender or color of their skin you are automatically treating people in a worse way. The goal should be to treat everyone the same even if you fall short of it.
@@LawrenceBroussardDiscrimination does look different when you're on the receiving end. Eventually ageism could hit in a way that will make you fully understand.
@@robertolesen2349 You think I have not been on the receiving end? I just do not waste my time with people that have that mind set. Sure you pay a cost for it, but life is too short to waste it on foolish behavior.
@@LawrenceBroussarddiscrimination in this conversation is pretty clear though.. who gets hired. A place that only hires men, either intentionally or not, is discriminating against women. A policy that forces such place to hire women is not doing "reverse discrimination".. is fixing the problem. Setting a quota for women hires is not discriminating against men, it's fixing the discrimination that existed in the first place. And you can replace in that example "only hiring men" with women, or white men, or young men, pretty much any criteria.. any place that has a homogeneous workforce can benefit from DEI policies. But as a previous person commented, you may not be able to see this until you become a victim of discrimination.
Life is too short to be riled up about the DEI thing. I find the Harley Davidson dealers treatment of their customers more offensive than anything else.
@@satanicmechanic17 well, the perceived arrogant attitude dealers has towards their customers adding bs fees are not out of thin air. A lot of customers can testify to this and in 2004 I walked away from a purchase of a new Dyna Lowrider because of this.
Harley just cleaned house of nearly every mom n pop dealership. If a dealership did well enough corporate HD would buy it up & let the family run it. Only there where small licensed (dealerships) all over who’s focus was more about service because, well small town America & HD corporate just pulled the rug out from under them. Next, a corporate Harley owned dealership/service will refuse older Harleys. Let’s not over looked how they openly gave our brothers & sisters in the aftermarket world the finger. IMO the brand died with the Evo. That’s when all the new marketing & mass dealership closings started. Real Harleys don’t have radiators…..
If DEI was so wonderful for company cultures and business in general, why do the companies try to hide it from their customers? Almost every company that has gone woke, and the truth was made public, has suffered financially, not to mention their safety records have plummeted (look at Boeing). That is what happens when you hire for DEI instead of for merit, expertise, and ability.
I was at a bike night and this guy just totally goes in on me and my friends about how Harley caterers to black folks and we shouldn't be riding Harleys. We just ignored you and had fun but he just kept coming around with stupid ass comments. This wasn't the first time that we have been confronted with knuckleheads about Harley being woke and DEI. I paid my money and I should be able to ride.
This woke nonsense is out of control. Companys are trying to show their inclucucivity, but it is having the opposite effect. Harley should do an about face, or it may suffer a bigger backlash than it is currently experiencing. For the most part, if you ride, you're accepted. I don't care about your color, race, or religion. Show respect, and it will be shown in return. If it ain't broke, don't go woke to try to fix it.
Corporations kow tow to finance giants like BlackRock. Larry Fink (approximately named. Like Lorena Bobbit). Governor DeSantis barred the Florida pension fund from investing in BlackRock. DeSantis is the best Governor in America.
I don't care what color they are.. I guarantee, they can't help me, with my bike problems.. I don't like anybody.. nobody can help me with my bike, but UA-cam.. maybe I'll like a kid, in the future.. a born mechanic.. I don't care what color he is.. long as he likes to see your bike working
Good job supporting the same stuff. They support lgb crap too. Polaris is more publicly traded than harley, they just hide behind the Indian name. It was that important to you, but you didn't even care enough to do just a little research.
As far as having some woke policies I don't care. Having a Pride Ride doesn't bother me. The open road is for everyone. Regardless of who you love. But when a company donates to Drag Queen story time for kids, donates to allowing men into women's spaces (bathroom, locker room ect) as well as letting boys play in girls sports I draw a line. I absolutely love Harley. I have owned several by now. But I love this country far more than any company, or it's employees. If a legendary company has to die to help keep this country safer for kids and women so be it. I haven't boycotted yet. I'm waiting to hear from Harley themselves.
I would agree, I never gave a darn about gay marriage, but I drew the line when the trans activists went after children. I also don't agree with any type of employee related training that forces a specific demographic to attend, and in HD's case to "be an lgbtq+ ally". I refuse to be coerced or forced into being an ally of any ideology.
I just bought a new Harley, but if I was going to buy a new bike, I would look at Indian or Moto Guzzi. I'm older, and the country has changed so much I wouldn't believe you if you said it would be like this 50 years ago.
Ooooh nooooo! People are accepted regardless of their skin color and who they love! The horror! Stop worrying about what other people do in their own home, wierdo.
I agree with a lot of what you said bud. The problem is HD is actually in reality supporting the WOKE community out in the open now even tho they know their soul customers do not agree with it. That to me is a big slap in the face to all the real loyal HD riders. It’s like this….you been with a nice beautiful woman for years, been loyal and faithful to her, spent thousands of dollars on her and then one day you find out she cheated on you. What do you do? Are you the type of dude to stay with her and hope she decides to change one day or do you dump her azz. I say dump her azz and find another.
If you dump HD, what will you switch to? Indian supports DEI and woke agenda, I'll guarantee any US division of any foreign bike supports it as well. I agree, it's a slap in the face, and I don't agree with it but its what corporations do in 2024. Unless we work in a small shop, any corporate entity as an employer has code of conduct rules that fall along woke or politically correct ideology.
@@rondeycallahan464 You sound like you support the WOKE community like HD does so I could see why you don’t have a problem. If you like wearing your wife’s high heels and lip stick while you ride your Harley then go for it. Maybe one day you’ll get your wish and Harley will add upgrades to the seats with butt plugs attached. 🫵🏼😂
@@rondeycallahan464 you sound like you support the woke community so go right ahead and wear your wife’s high heels and lipstick while you ride your Harley lol
As someone who has dreamed of owning a harley since I was 12 yrs old I was deeply disappointed with their choice in doing this I am now 52 and looking to purchase my first bike and sadly I will not be buying a harley but have shifted towards Indian motorcycles instead thankyou harley for destroying a boy hood dream I will never spend another dollar on anything harley Davidson
On a second note, I have already de-branded my bike just got done. They don't change and I won't ever put their logo on anything or wear anything with that logo.
I was going to get a CVO Roadglide, I’ve been saving for my first cruiser, I retire in 7months, I want to ride to every city my siblings live in. But I don’t want to purchase a brand and people thinking that I’m gay or that I support that lifestyle. I’m going to look into the Indian challenger elite, I think they’re American made? Harley lost a customer in me.
That is dumb. No one will think your gay for riding a Harley, and if they do, who cares? If your a real man, you will be comfortable riding whatever brand motorcycle you want.
Refusing to support a company that has become political when politics shouldn’t be a part of it in the first place is one of the only ways to communicate with those in charge. I too was in the market for a road glide. I’m more than happy with my pursuit limited. Welcome to the Indian family brother.
I get what his comment means . Who wants to be associated with a bunch of weirdo homosexual pedafiles. Would yall want a swastika painted on your bike ? Who cares right ? Im de-badging my street glide
All these grown men crying about a company that doesn’t have the same prejudice as them is embarrassing. I have a Harley but I’m not a Harley community guy. Those guys are boring and a dime a dozen.
Yes, we complain that we give money to a company that turns around and gives it to sick people. If you have no values that’s on you. They won’t see another dime from me. Let the .001% of the population who have nothing to do with Harley support them.
It's not prejudice to complain and take a different stance against indoctrination, just leave the kids alone. Harley will pay for its woke stance the same bud light has. As a Canadian 30old, my next bike will be an Indian. I'll still hold on to my 02 electra glide classic, USA made, but that's it, good thing I never went ahead on a new road king😅, nobody wants a 3 dollar bill, or light loafers for bikes 😂
That's fine, you can agree with the Harley Davidson executive's ideology, buy their products with pride and ride them to the pride parade no one wants to stop you, but don't get angry when lots of other customers look elsewhere.
It's a bunch grown men that are ticked off that the company they've supported their entire lives sporting tight leather pants and riding alone with their male buddies are now being forced out of the closet they've been hiding in all these years. 😂
Even before going "woke", Harley is WAY over priced for what it is. Harley has been riding on the name alone for years. The woke thing is simply the last straw.
The terms ‘woke’ and ‘dei’ have been weaponized to bring in divisive arguments. Woke meant people thinking outside of their bubble. DEI is to ensure there is diversity - does NOT promote unqualified employees. You still have to be qualified - but it emphasizes diversity to bring in different perspectives. Please stop adding to the divisive culture. We’re all about riding and being inclusive. I’m HD but ride with bikers from all brands and all walks of life. Just because a company tries to include all people as riders, doesn’t mean they require a backlash. And the comment about the bud light going ‘full american’ seems to indicate that only the white Americans are the only true Americans… we’re all Americans and the fact that we have to continue conversations like this means that there really is a need for DEI.
When it comes down to it, harley is beholden to their shareholders. You owning a harley doesnt give you a ahare of the company. Lopk at who the larhest shareholders are, of all the woke companies, and you will start to see a pattern. The company itself really has no say when blackrock investments holds 2/3 of their company.
I have no problem with anyone supporting whatever they want. That said, I refuse to allow any of my money to used in their endeavor to do so and that includes any of my money going to the salaries of those that push those things. I used to work in the entertainment industry as a truck driver. I refused to go on tour with more than one artist because of what I perceived as their disdain of our constitution, and I absolutely refused to help them make even on penny. This is no different as far as I'm concerned. As long as those at the top support the things that I disagree with, none of my money is going to them, or the company that they run.
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
What about Triumph motor 17:52 cycles, I had a custom chopper 650 Triumph when I was 21 I'm 68 now that bike would sit there and lope , sounds just like a Harley,loved that bike.
Been riding Harley's for 50 yrs love my Harley's but I know one thing if this is the road Harley wants to go down they can have the people their supporting buy them WON'T buy another one , had ENOUGH of this B.S. & I'd like to know why the hell is a German running an American icon company ?
My point of contact with The Motor Company is my local dealership. I'm on a first name basis with the gals in clothing, with the service techs, with the sales staff, with the folks in parts. When it comes to motorcycles for me it's my local Harley Dealership. In addition I support my favorite Denver Harley performance shop. They only work on Harleys. So for me it's personal connections and personal loyalty. Im sticking with my Harleys.
If the company puts out a quality product and it's a company that supports DEI , why would you care? A better focus would be on when is the new big bore kits for the new 2024 117 coming out, or what's the new 2025 Indian Challengers going to look like. Respectfully.
The Indian pursuit is the cvo version of the challenger it’s a lot less expensive than a road glide cvo I may go that route for a new bike save thousands I’ll trade or sell my street glide to do it. Harley gave me an insulting offer for a trade Indian did not they were better.
Sad to see all these companies doing this I agree just put out a statement saying we want the best of the best period. My Harley’s paid off so I own it and the used market is going to benefit from what HD is doing
I love my Indian Pursuit. Best bike I've ever owned or ridden, and I'm a motorcycle mechanic at an independent shop that works on a little bit of everything, but mostly works on Harleys.
Oh so this is what tips ppl over the edge....not the poor customer service, lack of quality, inferior product design or simply the ole hundred dollar mantra. Idgaf you do you & ill do me & base my decisions on craftmanship, quality designs, service & lastly the brand.
Reading as a European, it is really hard for me to find the "divisiveness" in any topic about human rights. We all know it's marketing, you don't have to explain it to me or others, but it is really difficult to find the harm in a company supporting _equal_ (not more!) rights for its workforce and its riding base. Whenever I hear "this is political" arguments to an expansion of rights to include other human beings, I can't help but think that it is certain specific, fear-mongering networks (which plight the US of A particularly) which conveniently turned all this "political" to stoke fear, engagement and action from a certain susceptible base. You can disagree, and we can agree to disagree. It is another thing to analise this move from a branding and business management perspective, where considering HD riding base, it might have not been the most riskless choice from em. But maybe, just maybe, they are tryin' to reach other demographics of customers who normally wouldn't imagine themselves as a typical HD customer, and addressing that by these little harmless campaings should be a nice thing, one you should rejoice for, not whine about or undermine. Any other "non-LGBTQ" HD rider should be glad about this kind of base-expanding campaigns, if only _they_ weren't the ones who cling onto these things, whine about em and, thus, make em "political". Just my 2cents.
I see your point, and im replying respectfully to show you ours. It's one thing to try to advertise to crowds outside your typical customer base to bring in more riders, and it's one thing to support diversity and equality in your company. But the way it's being gone about is atrocious, especially in the United States. I've never been to Europe and I'm not sure if you've ever been to the USA but many of us were brought up with certain values. Values like: skin color doesn't matter, sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you, we may disagree on certain things but we are all still Americans, judge by character not by appearance, right is right even if you're the only one doing it. I can go on and on. But now, all these initiatives and DEI and whatnot has flipped the script. They're saying skin color matters. They're saying words are violence and not agreeing with what they say makes you racist, and bigoted, and a terrible human being. White people are being forced to attend seminars and trainings about the crimes of the white race and the dangers and privileges of whiteness. They're more likely to hire a black lesbian than doesn't ride and knows nothing about bikes than they are a white straight guy who's been riding for 30 years just to get the diversity points. That affects quality of service. And it's not just Harley Davidson. They're just the most recent in a long line of companies hopping on this bandwagon cramming this stuff down the throats of people that don't support it, cramming it down the throats of their original customer base despite the fact it going against the vast majority of our personal views and values. And here in the USA it has been politicized. There is one party heavily endorsing and supporting and pushing this stuff, and the other party fighting back as hard as possible. It's causing division in our country to the point where a lot of people not only believe there will be a second civil war but where many are starting to think it's the only way to solve the problem. The message being pushed now is left is right and right is wrong. How am I supposed to feel about a company that I've been loyal to my whole life that now openly supports policies being pushed by a group of radicalists and a political party that says I'm inherently bad for being white? That the color of my skin is offensive? That my skin color matters more than my character, skills and abilities? Not only that how am I supposed to support a company who openly supports and pushes the policies of a radical political party that says I'm evil for being a conservative and a Christian and because I don't agree with everything they say I'm a racist and a bigot. How do I support companies that tell me I have to say a man is a woman and a woman is a man or else I lose my job? That's not freedom its tyranny, and it goes against the very foundation our country was built on. They drew a line in the sand and told us to pick sides and then they hated us for standing on the opposite.
Well said. I’m not sure what’s wrong with equity in this country? DEI does not mean the people that are not Caucasian are not qualified. Nowadays people on the right think that every Black, Hispanic, middle Eastern or woman in a position means that they only got hired because of the lie skin color or gender. So every doctor, lawyer, engineer, and astronaut that’s Black or Hispanic or woman means that they got the job not base on merit? It’s offensive. So no matter how hard I work if I obtain a position like Doctor, lawyer or engineer it means that I got not base on merit?
@@casey1103, have you ever considered that for so long, it has been people of color and LGB communities that have never been given a fair opportunity to be hired? So when companies look to diversify their employee population, it’s not so much “we don’t want White people” but more, “we need to finally give other people an opportunity”. Yeah, I understand that may make “White people” FEEL like they are unwanted, but that’s not what’s actually happening, what’s actually happening is the unfair advantage of being White is being taken away. The other issue is that you are working under the assumption that people of color or members of the LGB community are not qualified and/or not qualified more than a white person. White people here are getting all worked up because people of color and gay people are getting hired or being advertised to, and yet want to claim it’s not prejudice or racism🤷🏽♂️ your action in fact proves that it’s about skin color or sexual preference, because if it wasn’t, you wouldn’t care who gets hired or advertised to.
@@eduardocorrea530 of course I have, and I see your point. If there were two similarly qualified candidates for a job and one was white and the other was black or LGB then I would consider that fair enough. BUT thats rarely the case. What we are seeing is severely underqualified candidates being hired for jobs based on skin color and sexual orientation over more experienced and more qualified candidates who are just straight white men. I'm not saying that's every time. But I'm going to say it's the majority of the time. And I'm watching it happen at my job which is in an industry where you really don't want someone underqualified performing the work, you know? Everyone should get the opportunity to get the job Regardless of sexual orientation or skin color but whoever gets the job should be the most qualified candidate, not the most "diversified" candidate. Also, it's not that we feel or perceive we are unwanted. When I have to start taking mandatory trainings about the privileges and dangers of "whiteness" that's a pretty clear sign of where the powers that be stand. I grew up poor white trash. I didn't have any "privilege" and I worked hard to get where I am now. It wasn't being white that earned it and it wasn't being straight that earned it, it was effort and the ever present Grace of God. When I'm told that I have to hire the man dressed as a woman and wearing the raccoon tail on his pants that just graduated college with an unrelated degree over the construction superintendent with the 20 years of experience for the heavily laborious factory job that requires mechanical inclination, knowledge of hand tools, and strict adherence to safety standards then it's a problem. And that's not an exaggeration.
Saw tons of Harley’s all weekend. Nothing but people enjoying the weather and their bikes. Just enjoy what you have. Life is too short to be arguing with strangers on the internet
@WolfinWolvesClothing713 A friend of mine told me Indian was not publicly traded. I got happy until I checked and discovered that Polaris IS and one of the major share holders is Black Rock. Well Phuq, id almost rather go back to riding rice and this point.
The business model of selling fewer bikes, but at a higher mark-up, is what's killing Harley Davidson. People want value for their dollar, and brand loyalty at any cost will just not cut it anymore. People routinely feel a need to upgrade the hobbled performance of these machines, and are getting warranty cancellations if they DIY it, instead of paying though the nose having the work done at a HD approved shop with overpriced OEM parts. This is causing a back-lash. To court new riders, building a bike for under $10,000 that performs right off the showroom floor, like other manufacturers are doing, would be a game changer. The old rich guys can still do what they have always done, but the new riders want value and time in the saddle, not another day with their expensive bike in the shop. They don't gaf about woke or not woke, t-shirts, or big logos either.
What does selling it really show Harley? If you sell it what company are you going with? Maybe not buy Harley shirts and merch? I’m not sure if I sell my bikes if that would really send a message to Harley since they don’t really know me or anything ya know. I guess it’s just not riding a bike that supports drag shows for kids?
Selling your bike won’t really make a difference. Remember you are not Harley’s customer. The dealership is. Meaning as, the motor company has already been paid for the bike. Going forward make choices that sends no more money to the motor company
@@cbigclarkeHD has always been about marketing. It's how they have survived for decades. I will not represent anyone or anything that hates and wants to destroy this country. Rolling around on what is essentially free advertising for such a company is something I will not tolerate. The great thing about this country is the freedom to choose. They choose to destroy it, and I choose not to put up with it. End of story.
Here's the problem... Some CEO's and hiring staff do not see color and seriously only want good, dedicated and skilled workers. However, there is a huge chunk of America that still, won't hire people who are gay or of color or they lean toward the white folks. So, unions and the Gov steps in to try and fix it, but that doesn't work. Just like you can't force me to have a band member of color, I'll give push back if that's not my choice. It's not out of racism, it's out of what works for me. If they are of color or gay and they do a great job, maybe I'll make that decision. However, forcing companies is another thing. But, with unions and shareholders, etc, etc. there is expectation and pressure for inclusion. I would not say they went, "woke". They more or less have to work within the bounds. So, what's the answer? We would hope that by now people are automatically inclusive, but they aren't.... some, certainly not all. It would be nice if people acted out of their own conscious, but we aren't there yet. Indian? They are owned by Polaris. Who the hell knows what the policies are there. However, I bet the majority of people boycotting Harley aren't even the market for a bike right now. And... what about all the shirts and apparel that they make in China? Can we talk about that?
Look equal rights are equal rights. Trying to make one group "more equal" is stupid. Hiring a person because of color or sexual orientation is the same as not hiring a person because of color or sexual orientation. Ability and experience and maybe education not color would be my criteria. I don't own a business but worked for 3 large corporations with labor unions. Everyone in the union is equal! Harley has Union workers. I have owned 8 Harley Davidson my latest is a 2024 Heritage softail. I have ridden all my life I'm 76 and have met the greatest people because of motorcycles in general and Harley in particular. I hope they will continue to be the greatest motorcycle company in the world and forget the political posturing.
Been with Harley for 60 plus years, stood with the company through thick and thin times. Watched the AMF times who actually saved Harley from total wipeout. Saw the big change in the early 80s when Willie G took back the company and fixed it with the new Evo engine plus a few design up grades. This one trick pony CEO and its woke board are taking Harley totally off shore to the country of Thailand. Cheap labor more profit for the corporate end. For some time now Harley hasn’t been fully made in the USA. Most parts are made overseas and sent back into the states to be assembled. This should not stop ya from riding your Harley you own. Just don’t patronize the dealerships and the Corporate asses. There are numerous aftermarket companies that provide just about anything you could need to fix up your bike that are made better and fit better. Stop sweating the small stuff and get on with your life. CorporateHarley needs us far more than we need them. Just don’t support a company that doesn’t support you and I the folks that kept them alive for so many years. Just flush the toilet and let Harley Corporate swirl down the hole. It will soon fix it self.
I began saying back in the late 80's and early 90's that Harley Davidson was trying to move beyond their customer base. My father and 3 of my uncles all rode Harley's and I grew up tearing down nuck's, pans, flat's and even Iron's. We even had a few Harley dirt bikes that were just a lot of fun. My 16th birthday came around in January of 1990 and my Dad traded up a 76 sporty with bi-centennial stickers on it and a lot of anniversary stuff. I rode through that summer and the next and then a friend of mine showed up on a brand new Honda Hurricane and offered to trade me for it, being young and dumb I did it and my Dad was mad as he could be. wasn't even 3 weeks before he came home with a bright orange set of full racing leathers and told me if he ever caught me on that bike without those on I would never see it again. About a week later that bike almost killed me but those leather saved me a whole lot of skin. I left home about 6 months later and the first thing I bought with my adult money was a 1993 Harley Davidson Softail custom, cost me 11,500 from my deployment money and was shipped to me from Honolulu. I rode that thing all over Germany in the 2 years I was there and a few other countries that the US carries SOFA agreements with and it was the time of my life. An unfortunate turn of circumstances prevented me from being able to ship it back although I did take off a lot of pieces and start mailing them home. I ended up selling it to a friend for 6000 and came back home with all the intentions of buying another, but I never seemed to have the money to get another one. Couple years home I made some strategic moves and came up with an 883 and this was where I learned much more than I ever thought I would. Even having had wrenched on them as a kid and worked with the old stuff I knew the innovation within the sportsters and it showed me a whole new life. My uncle and I turned that bike into a road ripping monster of a machine that actually dyno tested at Darlington at 97 HP and 112 FP of torque which was big for the time. I lost that bike because of some other unfortunates but as I looked around I began to see that the motor company was just getting out of hand with pricing and customer service was in the drink. I spent a lot of years riding a 75 Honda CBR 1000, a GSXR 750, a 1983 Honda Goldwing, a Shadow 750 and a Vulcan 800. Then my Dad passed away and I gained his 93 Goldwing which I will keep till I can pass it to my grandson. In the last coupe years I actually got the nerve to buy another bike from Harley and I kind of regret it but I love it too. I ride a Fatboy Lo that is currently sitting on 25K miles but rides like a dream. I have done oil changes and made a few upgrades but every time I get close to a dealer it never costs me less that n $100 and has gone as high as as $1000 when I had tires changed. that bike has cost me right at 17000 so far but it was only 11000 when I bought it. My point is that I have been waiting for someone to finally agree that Harley needs a rude awakening but instead everyone just followed suit and in some cases even doubled down. Now here we stand with the most American motor company in the world now and they are turning their backs on all of us to try and fit in with a political agenda. All I can say is I told you so, but then who listens to some kid ( now 50) who has no experience? Now I am just a conspiracy theorist living in paranoia, or so I am told. Be prepared and remember, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS NEXT \, DO NOT COMPLY.
Tired of this woke stuff being shoved down my throat. You want to be a weirdo, that's your business, but I don't want to associate or ride with you. I refuse to spend my hard earned dollars at any company that goes down that road. Haven't been in Target in years and still have all I need. I'll stick with the bikes I have and skip a new one....
@MarquisVegan Sorry, I don't care what Walz or anybody else says, including the so called "masses". That's the difference between us and the the " masses". They claim to be liberal, yet they can't accept anybody who doesn't think like them, they're prejudice, and have to force everyone to think like them." Us" would live and let live but are tired of the constant bombardment of "you have to think like us or else". Our live and let live policy has allowed the vocal minority to gain this kind of attention. Where this ends up, who knows, but it ain't gonna be fun for anybody. While I don't want to associate or ride with you, I wish you no harm. Just leave us the hell alone because we've been pushed too far.....
Same here f target, f bud, f sprouts and I just found out autozone is quota hiring women to work in stores unnaturally f them too. I don't care anymore if I hurt some gays feeling its them or our country the time for being tolerant is over. Theajority rules and the fa#$s have mistaken tolerance for acceptance, but people are waking up and then they will go back to their proper place under a rock. I give no f's
Or maybe it’s time to learn how to exist with people who are different than you. People who are used to being in a position of privilege feel like equality is oppression
Here's the problem. If a company is publicly traded, there's the new ESG score that was implemented. The ESG forces publicly traded companies to go "woke". They don't have a choice. A low ESG score will drastically lower their stock price. So, ask yourself did Harley go woke or were they forced to go woke in order to continue to provide value to their shareholders? I'll share this quote from Harvard Business Review..."When pressured to engage in ESG, CEOs would likely pick ESG projects that generate shareholder value because their compensation is typically tied to stock price." Sooo, is Harley woke, or are they just trying to maintain a high stock price?
So maybe the American companies should take a hint from the Japanese and just build a quality affordable motorcycle and never mind the social implications.
My opinion is HD Dealers should be boycotted until the board of directors is changed out to qualified production employees and/or possibly the CEO as well.
You’re hurting the wrong people. The dealerships are not part of the Motor Company poor decisions. They are franchises, some family owned for years. Maybe your friends and neighbors just trying to earn a living. Let’s direct our energy where it belongs. Harley-Davidson upper management, not the hardworking employees.
@@jagjr6772 partially true but these family owned dealerships had to bend over and kiss corporate ass to upsize and remain a dealership. So if they are bowing down to corporate wholeness does that not make them part of the problem? It's like being a govt employee knowing damn well how corrupt the govt and ALL its agencies are yet choosing to remain their pawn employee. Makes them complisate to the corruption.
I bought my Road King used and because of it's age I go through independent shops for service. Also tend to go with aftermarket parts and don't buy any of the clothing or lifestyle accessories. Your milage may vary but for me nothing has changed.
Nobody should stop or give anything up in their lives because a major corporation supports other Americans. It shouldn't affect your life that much that you feel the need to give up certain things in your life. Be a true American and learn to accept that different people, who may not be like you, also live in this country.
I don't think it's an issue of accepting other people's lifestyle rather an issue of having it jammed down our throats. Queers have been around for ever but only in the last few years has that lifestyle been thrown in our face!
It’s not being acceptable to new people it’s the supporting drag shows for kids and giving kids hormones at 6 because they think they’re a girl or boy in that hour. Kids don’t even know how to do anything on their own, in turn, shouldn’t be given an option to get hormones at a young age.
It's funny the spineless calling others spineless but hey that's these fake Americans these days extremely judgemental hypocrites! America is all about freedom like I said hypocrites
Since as you said most companies do this, just ignore it. The only thing that matters is, does a company make a product that you like? If it does then just ignore that other stuff if it isn't affecting the product.
I was wondering why you deleted my comment with the article about Harley-Davidson moving its factory to Thailand and now Harley-Davidson won't be American made anymore !!! I sold my 2007 electric glide standard to one of my HA friends and bought a 2024 Indian roadmaster dark which was the best move I ever made.
The only parts HD made "in house" were frames and engines, everything else was outsourced. Even in the 70's they had Japanese forks... Indian (Polaris) is just as woke as HD....
How dies it impact the way your current bike runs? If you don’t like the way the company is run, buy your next bike from a company that does not support all Americans right to work.
If anything, he should’ve ditched Harley when he bought a brand new one and it had so many problems it wasn’t even rideable and made multiple videos about it simply not working. But the brand loyalty is so strong you’ll never see true criticism. Even with this, this is just going along with the Harley fanboy community talking points.
Maybe I’m not getting the real issues here, but HD has been fleecing their customers for decades now, I remember when you had to pay a premium fee just to be considered a potential customer to THEN be able to buy a Harley. These bikes have been overpriced and under reliable for decades now. And all that was ok, but now if the company wants to branch out and fleece people of color or someone who is gay, now THAT is a problem, and oh boo hoo I’ve been treated like a cheated wife?!?!?! I ride Hondas, because they are reliable and a good value for the money, I don’t care WHO else is riding Hondas, it’s none of my business! Other riders don’t affect WHO I am! My motorcycle doesn’t make me who I am. What’s wrong with people!?!?!
The only dei I would like to see is the fair chance for employment (felon, veteran, legal immigrant language barrier). Also.. invest in employees with continuous education programs. Invest in all Americans that have the potential to succeed.❤
I purchased, off the showroom floor, a 1982 Sturgis for $5,800 and THEY HAD AN $800 REBATE ON STURGIS AND $500 ON WIDEGLIDES. Last new HD for me. Now it's all used bikes
If you “boycott” Harley, or any other big corporation, all your doing is hurting the guys in the service dept, the salesman, the girls working at the apparel desk. The board members will be fine.
I quite my job at Harley six month ago they are having bikes built in Thialand shipping them back to the States and rebadging them made in the U.S.A and have the hide to charge more for them. Buying a Harley now is a crapshoot wether you really get an American-made bike, but from 2021 onward they are all made in Thialand in one way or another I will stick to my old Harley a real American.
Indian just recalled their 2024 touring models for rear suspension failures like 5 days ago. Time to buy an Indian? Yeah..... I'm going to wait on that one for a while.
I have four HD's that I have purchased new since 2001 and one I gave to my nephew when he retired from the military. I wont sell any of my bikes but I will also never steo foot into a dealership or buy another bike from the motor company unless some major changes are made to the woke company. I think its time to look at all the other beautiful motorcycles out there and get off our high horses. HD is showing us that they dont stand for our American heritage. This means its time for some big changes in the near future. I hope Indian motorcycle company doesn't do the same thing HD is doing. Let's keep are eyes on them everyone. Thank you for keeping us informed.
@@lawncaretoamillion Do you know everyone? Did you polled them or ask them? Your post is a complete lie. And your response shows volumes on you as a human being.
@@lawncaretoamillion If you disagree with my position, can you at least try to provide intelligent discussion instead of trying to demean me as a human being? Do you know me personally to make the argument that nobody care about me? What you show me about you is how petty you are.
If he does not want to destroy HD, then why did he applaud the destruction of a non woke Willie G era bike and call that act as “the most american thing possible” to do?
True inclusion means never saying you’re “inclusive “. DEI is the most divisive thing to come along since the KKK set up shop right after the Civil War…
HD wasn't planning on being exposed.
I got disgusted with HD years ago, the attitude in a dealership, the warranty requires a lawyer, getting a bike serviced was a expensive nightmare.
I'm not saying this to try and start crap but I went back to metric bikes a few years ago and not one single problem since. Everyone has their choice of what they want and I respect that.
Everyone ride safe.
I’ve been riding motorcycles for over four decades. I’ve owned every metric bike out there, but I’ve never owned a Harley. That being said, I still love riding Harley Davidson motorcycles I just simply don’t own one for several reasons mostly price.
At the end of the day I got into riding motorcycles in the early 80s because I love riding motorcycles. Quite frankly I don’t give a shit what name is on the side of the bike. It’s about how the bike makes me feel when I’m riding it. And that includes Harley Davidson, metric, European and everything else out there.
I mean, that’s the same with just about anything you buy. Harley, Yamaha, Honda, Ford, Chevy, etc. ALL dealerships are way overpriced.
@@pontiacdriver999Yeah but the dealer experience isn’t as bad. My buddy ran his newer R6 low on oil by accident and the dealer replaced the motor and only charged him labor. Customer service still exists for some brands…
I really appreciate your comment. It's rational and not insulting. I only ride Japanese bikes. I am back on crotch rockets after being on big cruisers for 15 years. My riding has changed and I am not interested in big rides or anything like that anymore. It's daily transport and weekend fun. I can still pack for a week trip if I want, but none on the horizon right now. I am all about the curves. I am a 50 year old gay dude, riding for over 35 years. I know that corporations who sponsor pride are doing it for the same reasons as do for any advertising. Make money. The LGBT community has and always will be a target, we are mostly dinks, duel income, no kids. Bottom line, we have disposable income. We are usually educated and have good paying jobs. I don't buy into the pandering. I don't buy products because they slapped on a rainbow flag. However, it obviously works and helps the bottom of these companies.
@@pontiacdriver999 Name some of the dealerships (besides Harley) that will mark up a bike SEVERAL thousands of dollars OVER MSRP
I am 45 years old and two years ago I decided to take the motorcycle riding class at a HD dealership for 325.00 as it was something I always wanted to do. After the class and getting my motorcycle endorsement I was ready for a Harley. Fàst forward. I am now on my second Harley and neither have been bought from a HD dealership. The HD dealerships sales department need to seriously rethink their business model. That being said I've always enjoyed visiting local and abroad HD dealerships. I've invested a good amount of money in my HD and I love it,I love wearing my HD leather jackets and other gear. I'm a decent middle class father and have a motorcycle for my weekend me time. Woke, woke, woke. Really really really???? It makes me sick. This is the one thing that I have wanted for the biggest part of my life and now politics have to mess with it??? What the hell. Why can't companies just sell their shit and stay out of politics??
Your HD jacket was made in Pakistan! And you paid over $500 for shit quality leather! Lol
I tell this to my dude all the time and he gets beyond butt hurt he wants to fight like dude your paying 40 50 bucks for shitty ass quality t shirts @michaelbiehl7516
@@michaelbiehl7516you clearly missed the damn point of his comment. What a bird.
Definitely agree. Its not just the women's though. They sold out on America a long time ago and now build their bikes overseas. Im just done with them all together. Sick of it. They are so full of themselves too
That was supposed to say not just the wokeness. Stupid autocorrect
You can still ride without supporting the Motor Co. Vote with your dollar. The used market is SO oversaturated with HDs that there's no reason to buy at a dealership at this point.
That’s how I think. Honda is woke too. So is Indian (and probably the rest too.)no matter how you slice it up the only way to get our point across is on a retail level.
@@FreeDiddy5150 💯💯
I'm on my 2nd H-D, and I've yet to buy one at an H-D dealership. My first was a private sale, and my current was actually at an Indian dealership
i totally agree with you
Buying at a dealership isnt even necessarily an issue. Buying new is the issue.
HD is not well diversified. They just angered at least half of the only customer base they have. Not smart.
As a marketing major in college, we learned a marketing concept " You need to fit the asses of the masses." This means that running a successful business embraces the largest segment of your customer base and catering your marketing programs towards them. All this DEI and woke stuff does just the opposite. It seeks to highlight minority groups and push their issues to the forefront. When this is done, the vast majority of individuals get tired of being constantly bombarded with messages and images that do not pertain to us. Furthermore, these messages really have nothing to do with the company or the products they make. Not liking this messaging doesn't mean we are prejudiced against any of these groups. It just shows that it doesn't apply to the vast majority of us, and it certainly doesn't apply to our motorcycling experience. When we ride, we want to enjoy the freedom of being on the road and enjoying our time with like-minded people. Do I hate LGBT people or minorities? No, I do not!!! But this whole DEI and woke mentality assumes I do and targets me daily for a corrective massage program. That's why people push back and sometimes boycott a company for forcing this down our throat!!! So manufacturers listen up. Make an excellent product, run your business ethically, and stop assuming your customers need a daily reminder on how to treat others around us!!!
agreed.... And we have seen time and again it is a fool's errand for any Company to attach their Brands to contentious political or social issues.... It really makes you wonder WTF the conversation is in the Boardrooms of these businesses where these decisions are made.
Well written and on point Mark Green 🤔🤙🇺🇸
My question is who has been pushing DEI and other divisive wedge issues. Politicians that’s who, they push these talking points to gain personal power while we fight amongst ourselves about who is right and who is wrong. These companies have been embracing these practices for the last ten years or more, and it wasn’t until it became a wedge issue in the political landscape did people really take notice and rebel against it. The real problem is the exorbitant fees that come with Harley and they way the treat their customers with all these fee’s and hefty prices for a bike with low tech that fails in comparison to what Honda, BMW, Indian and other manufacturers are doing.
I agree, however my issue is the only ones who are really vocal about it are the people who hate the different minority communities. I agree with you and Hegs in that companies need to stay neutral or more apt to their main customers in their marketing campaigns, but at the same time the hate in this country is absolutely disgusting and it’s really only the haters that are super vocal and critical about it.
I find both woke and anti-woke people to be equivalently hysterical; they both get triggered by minor things that have no effect on them. For instance, none of this LGBT and Diversity and Inclusion affects us personally, so being reactive to it is highly hysterical.
I'd be much more concerned with, say, illegal wage theft. Nothing else takes more money out of your pocket than that. That's, what, several thousand dollars each year per worker?
i hate to say but the CEO will need to go. He is the main reason.
Also the board
@@neo-cd9jm Exactaly...But, The GREATER ISSUE is who caused the Board to be Changed....Who controlls the Nominations/ Selections at the Board??? Get it....The entry through the back door has been slow, steady, deliberate, and BACKED BY REAL MONEY. Same at other firms. This is to Destroy American Culture. And American quality. This is all Pure Evil.
Yes. for sure. It harley board is obviously scamming everyone while they collect secret money from major left-wing political organizations. Gates, Soros on and on. The guy making this video is also hiding under a rock. " won't sell my harley" Go away!
The board is working with the CEO hand in hand
He works in order of BLACK ROCK!!🤔
why is a GERMAN CEO running an American icon such as HARLEY?
You must do Real Research to answer this important question.....Them that have made the selection are the ______. Start digging....Then, all you can do is stop buying from the firm, until it changes. Otherwise...well....are you getting the drift???
"why is a GERMAN CEO running an American icon such as HARLEY?"
So only Muricans can work for Murican companies
Look at the rest of the board of directors.... They pretty much all need to go.... They are all globalists and they want to tear down strong American symbols.
The funny thing about these people, is despite the pandering of pushing DEI or LGBTQ.... These people and who they represent, were at the forefront of pushing these same people down.
Fiat owns Mopar so what are you really trying to say lmao
Pandora’s box has already been opened. No thanks to Harley.
Don't you Budweiser and their BS. Harley just broke the damn lock.
@@samael9676 yea. I'm glad Kidd Rock went against bud.... then a few months later was caught drinking a bud light. Pretty sus trump gave him a cabinet spot.
Suicide clutch: old HD 😮
Suicide CEO: Woke HD 😂
*SNAP!*
Good one!
Not going to sell my Roadking but not too enthusiastic about buying another Harley. The problem with a lot of these boycotts is that it doesn’t harm the corporate goof who implemented the philosophy. It’s the bottom of the chain people working for the company that are affected by a policy they had nothing to do with.
I agree, the sales people are very Red and disagree with the policies that Harley is implementing
Go straight, get a Yamaha!
@@cripto136you mean a brand that wanted to be Harley? Every single brand out there tries to emulate what Harley does and it’s undeniable.
I agree it only hurts the employees and the customers I’m not selling my Harley. It’s an anniversary model way before woke. I don’t advocate woke. I don’t even like talking about it but if people wanna get rid of their Harleys and discontinue something that they truly love go for it. I guess I won’t be seeing you on the road.
Amen 😊
Larry Fink of Black Rock said that sometimes change must be forced upon people. There’s a lot of money behind the DIE movement. Harley is just the latest fly in this spider web of cultural change.
Didn't Hitler believe in forcing change on people. Ask the 12 million Jews. Oh that's right you can't, they're all dead by his forcing change on them. Y'all see where we're headed dontcha.
@@Flownthecoup23 facts
He said it, because that is the plan. BR is mostly responsible for pushing DEI in the US. BR is also the asset management (aka, control and theft) front for the WEF and Great Reset. This is all part of the plan to bring every company, industry and nation under the iron boot of one global, tyrannical organization.
No lie detected.
We'll see when HD goes broke and they'll be blowing them out for far less than the equivalent japanese cruiser
Goodbye Harley hello Indian
Do just 5 seconds of research. They (polaris) are more publicly traded than harley. They support lgb crap too. They just hide behind the Indian name.
Indian (Polaris) is just as woke as HD....they just haven't been "outed" yet....
@@TheWingnut58 just wonderful 😢
@@TheWingnut58 Show us
@@etishbite456 show us.....? Google is your friend, look up companies DEI and other woke scores....
I'll ride older harleys I prefer anyway. I haven't given them a dime in years and never plan to.
Same here
Same to same. My '81 sporty bought used in87 or 88. My '48 pan, same bought used. My 62 pan, yup used. My newest is a '03 dyna, bought it in 2019. Hey Harley t.m. I hope y'all's sink. Apparently y'all can't swim like a normal company. I'll still ride your junk because I like them. You've never gotten a nickel from me as I buy used and keep it running by aftermarket parts and I do all my own work. And in the future you'll never get a nickel from me. And if your a fruity guy zeitz, you can suck the snotty end of my f*k stick.
Oh boo hoo who gives a fk?
I just sold a 89 Harley Davidson fxstc with a 89 original Harley springer front end only had 39000 original miles in it only thing not original on it was the exhaust and carb even still had the original coil on it from 89
@@D-doggy77 If PATRIOTS stop supporting the "After-Market", Hardley would crumble
I’m buying an Indian and trading my Harley. With only 500 miles on it the transmission crapped the bed and somehow Harley feels bothered that I don’t think 1-2 months to fix it is acceptable
New Indian touring bikes have electrical issues, and some kind of suspension recalls. They support lgbxyz crap too. You're not getting away from it going to them.
@jimmywhispers3133 well I got a 22 street glide got to ride it for 4 days ignition lock locked up key stuck in it :-( they came and got it :-) but it took them 2 1/2 months just to get the new lock shipped to them to install it :-( needless to say summer was over by the time I got to ride my brand new bike. Won't buy another harley ever
Triumph has great bikes, the Indian seems nice to though. I'm on j
ap bike right now 10kmiles no problems yet
Indian is all in on woke polices as well.
Before you go and spend money on that Indian. You may want to check out Polaris. I read and heard they may be just as bad as Harley with this woke dei nonsense.
Bike night at the Blue Oyster Bar gonna be lit! Definitely dating myself with this one
I use that same example a lot. Police Academy for those that don't know.
@@mickbowling4412 frigging classic!
Yeah but us old guys are laughing!
Blue oyster is a gay bar fact checked it myself.
@@usaborn9894 no way! Are you serious?! 🤣
Well southpark predicted it.
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“Hey, they’re not paying attention to us.”
BRBRBRBRBRBRBBRBBRBRBBRBBRBRBRBBRBRBBRBRBRBBRRBBRBRBRBRBRB!
Lol😂
Funny as hell 🤣😆
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Hegshot- “Oh I’m all about inclusivity!”
Harley- “us too!”
Hegshot- “oh no not that kind”
😂😂😂
I totally disagree with DEI. I totally agree with treating people with respect and hiring based on performance not how someone looks. Sure you will always be more comfortable with people you have more in common with, but you hire people based on skill sets.
But that's the thing, the hiring is done by human beings.. for any open position HR will get tons of candidates, and a lot of those will have the required skills. So the hiring will be driven by "who looks like it will be more comfortable working with", and that's how you end up with a homogeneous. workforce.
Therefore, without a company policy enforcing inclusivity, you end up discriminating against anyone that doesn't look like you.
@@felipe.gtz.b That use to be true, but not true over all. Discriminating can mean having refined taste or treating people in a worse way. When you hire people based on gender or color of their skin you are automatically treating people in a worse way. The goal should be to treat everyone the same even if you fall short of it.
@@LawrenceBroussardDiscrimination does look different when you're on the receiving end.
Eventually ageism could hit in a way that will make you fully understand.
@@robertolesen2349 You think I have not been on the receiving end? I just do not waste my time with people that have that mind set. Sure you pay a cost for it, but life is too short to waste it on foolish behavior.
@@LawrenceBroussarddiscrimination in this conversation is pretty clear though.. who gets hired. A place that only hires men, either intentionally or not, is discriminating against women. A policy that forces such place to hire women is not doing "reverse discrimination".. is fixing the problem. Setting a quota for women hires is not discriminating against men, it's fixing the discrimination that existed in the first place.
And you can replace in that example "only hiring men" with women, or white men, or young men, pretty much any criteria.. any place that has a homogeneous workforce can benefit from DEI policies.
But as a previous person commented, you may not be able to see this until you become a victim of discrimination.
Who didn’t know this was going to happen when they hired Jochen Zeitz the current president CEO?
Life is too short to be riled up about the DEI thing. I find the Harley Davidson dealers treatment of their customers more offensive than anything else.
Every dealership I've been too around orlando are super nice and more than willing to show off the bikes and make the pitch
@@satanicmechanic17 well, the perceived arrogant attitude dealers has towards their customers adding bs fees are not out of thin air. A lot of customers can testify to this and in 2004 I walked away from a purchase of a new Dyna Lowrider because of this.
The DEL thing is just a part of what is destroying this country. It should rile people up, but it should not become an obsession.
I guess my grandfather was right! Buy an Indian!
grandpa wisdom
Great advice 🇺🇸
Love my Harley, totally dislike the CEO, never liked him, he has to go.
Jason Momoa should be the new CEO
pretty sure the Japanese dont put up with that garbage 👻
They better not
they dont. Theyll ignore and ostrasize you till you dont exist, they take the silent treatment to a whole new level.
American Honda corporation IS WOKE!!!
Go buy Japanese. I don’t care.
@@FreeDiddy5150 you beat me to it. I’m not sure about Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki. I know Polaris/Indian is also playing the woke game as well.
Harley just cleaned house of nearly every mom n pop dealership. If a dealership did well enough corporate HD would buy it up & let the family run it. Only there where small licensed (dealerships) all over who’s focus was more about service because, well small town America & HD corporate just pulled the rug out from under them. Next, a corporate Harley owned dealership/service will refuse older Harleys.
Let’s not over looked how they openly gave our brothers & sisters in the aftermarket world the finger.
IMO the brand died with the Evo. That’s when all the new marketing & mass dealership closings started.
Real Harleys don’t have radiators…..
If DEI was so wonderful for company cultures and business in general, why do the companies try to hide it from their customers? Almost every company that has gone woke, and the truth was made public, has suffered financially, not to mention their safety records have plummeted (look at Boeing). That is what happens when you hire for DEI instead of for merit, expertise, and ability.
I was at a bike night and this guy just totally goes in on me and my friends about how Harley caterers to black folks and we shouldn't be riding Harleys. We just ignored you and had fun but he just kept coming around with stupid ass comments. This wasn't the first time that we have been confronted with knuckleheads about Harley being woke and DEI. I paid my money and I should be able to ride.
This woke nonsense is out of control. Companys are trying to show their inclucucivity, but it is having the opposite effect. Harley should do an about face, or it may suffer a bigger backlash than it is currently experiencing. For the most part, if you ride, you're accepted. I don't care about your color, race, or religion. Show respect, and it will be shown in return. If it ain't broke, don't go woke to try to fix it.
He is either an idiot or a Democrat operative trying to get you to say something stupid. You handled it.
Corporations kow tow to finance giants like BlackRock. Larry Fink (approximately named. Like Lorena Bobbit). Governor DeSantis barred the Florida pension fund from investing in BlackRock. DeSantis is the best Governor in America.
I don't care what color they are.. I guarantee, they can't help me, with my bike problems.. I don't like anybody.. nobody can help me with my bike, but UA-cam.. maybe I'll like a kid, in the future.. a born mechanic.. I don't care what color he is.. long as he likes to see your bike working
@@johnscott5662 yes Blackrock is evil, Sorros too
The same bankers are on the board of Polaris too. Harley sales are down regardless of Dei. Not many people can afford 40k for a motorcycle
I just traded my Harley for a Indian was looking at a Harley road glide but can’t support them
Congratulations you just supported this lgbtq and dei bullshit because indian did the same thing harley has done :-)
Good job supporting the same stuff. They support lgb crap too. Polaris is more publicly traded than harley, they just hide behind the Indian name. It was that important to you, but you didn't even care enough to do just a little research.
You traded one woke company for another woke company.....their DEI scores are identical....
@@TheWingnut58 when you spread misinformation, you sound woke .
As far as having some woke policies I don't care. Having a Pride Ride doesn't bother me. The open road is for everyone. Regardless of who you love. But when a company donates to Drag Queen story time for kids, donates to allowing men into women's spaces (bathroom, locker room ect) as well as letting boys play in girls sports I draw a line. I absolutely love Harley. I have owned several by now. But I love this country far more than any company, or it's employees. If a legendary company has to die to help keep this country safer for kids and women so be it. I haven't boycotted yet. I'm waiting to hear from Harley themselves.
I would agree, I never gave a darn about gay marriage, but I drew the line when the trans activists went after children. I also don't agree with any type of employee related training that forces a specific demographic to attend, and in HD's case to "be an lgbtq+ ally". I refuse to be coerced or forced into being an ally of any ideology.
I am an old white burnout, so I demand a job based on my status as a minority
Stop whining mate nobody cares
LOL
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This video could be reduced to about 5 minutes.
I just did that.
I just bought a new Harley, but if I was going to buy a new bike, I would look at Indian or Moto Guzzi. I'm older, and the country has changed so much I wouldn't believe you if you said it would be like this 50 years ago.
Indian is into the same stuff.
Ooooh nooooo! People are accepted regardless of their skin color and who they love! The horror!
Stop worrying about what other people do in their own home, wierdo.
Same here, buy used, and use independent shops not dealerships. V-Twin, Drag Specialties and other aftermarket companies have all the parts you need.
I agree with a lot of what you said bud. The problem is HD is actually in reality supporting the WOKE community out in the open now even tho they know their soul customers do not agree with it. That to me is a big slap in the face to all the real loyal HD riders. It’s like this….you been with a nice beautiful woman for years, been loyal and faithful to her, spent thousands of dollars on her and then one day you find out she cheated on you. What do you do? Are you the type of dude to stay with her and hope she decides to change one day or do you dump her azz. I say dump her azz and find another.
If you dump HD, what will you switch to? Indian supports DEI and woke agenda, I'll guarantee any US division of any foreign bike supports it as well. I agree, it's a slap in the face, and I don't agree with it but its what corporations do in 2024. Unless we work in a small shop, any corporate entity as an employer has code of conduct rules that fall along woke or politically correct ideology.
So, you're freaked out because a company that wants to increase it's market share is wanting more diverse business and customers?
@@fragtastic4 my opinion is I’d switch to INDIAN if you wanna have an American motorcycle and Indian is definitely not woke like HD. That’s funny.
@@rondeycallahan464 You sound like you support the WOKE community like HD does so I could see why you don’t have a problem. If you like wearing your wife’s high heels and lip stick while you ride your Harley then go for it. Maybe one day you’ll get your wish and Harley will add upgrades to the seats with butt plugs attached. 🫵🏼😂
@@rondeycallahan464 you sound like you support the woke community so go right ahead and wear your wife’s high heels and lipstick while you ride your Harley lol
As someone who has dreamed of owning a harley since I was 12 yrs old I was deeply disappointed with their choice in doing this I am now 52 and looking to purchase my first bike and sadly I will not be buying a harley but have shifted towards Indian motorcycles instead thankyou harley for destroying a boy hood dream I will never spend another dollar on anything harley Davidson
Indian has the same policies
@@scottwallace4167 thanks I guess I need to rethink things
On a second note, I have already de-branded my bike just got done. They don't change and I won't ever put their logo on anything or wear anything with that logo.
I already would never buy anything at the Harley dealership. Everything is made in China or Thailand. EVERYTHING
I was going to get a CVO Roadglide, I’ve been saving for my first cruiser, I retire in 7months, I want to ride to every city my siblings live in. But I don’t want to purchase a brand and people thinking that I’m gay or that I support that lifestyle. I’m going to look into the Indian challenger elite, I think they’re American made? Harley lost a customer in me.
That is dumb. No one will think your gay for riding a Harley, and if they do, who cares? If your a real man, you will be comfortable riding whatever brand motorcycle you want.
What does it matter what people think? Ride your own ride and F the BS.
Refusing to support a company that has become political when politics shouldn’t be a part of it in the first place is one of the only ways to communicate with those in charge. I too was in the market for a road glide. I’m more than happy with my pursuit limited. Welcome to the Indian family brother.
@@SharpTungsten all it really shows is how insecure you are in your own identity. Their support or inclusion has 0 effect on you.
I get what his comment means . Who wants to be associated with a bunch of weirdo homosexual pedafiles. Would yall want a swastika painted on your bike ?
Who cares right ?
Im de-badging my street glide
All these grown men crying about a company that doesn’t have the same prejudice as them is embarrassing. I have a Harley but I’m not a Harley community guy. Those guys are boring and a dime a dozen.
Yes, we complain that we give money to a company that turns around and gives it to sick people. If you have no values that’s on you. They won’t see another dime from me. Let the .001% of the population who have nothing to do with Harley support them.
It's not prejudice to complain and take a different stance against indoctrination, just leave the kids alone. Harley will pay for its woke stance the same bud light has. As a Canadian 30old, my next bike will be an Indian. I'll still hold on to my 02 electra glide classic, USA made, but that's it, good thing I never went ahead on a new road king😅, nobody wants a 3 dollar bill, or light loafers for bikes 😂
That's fine, you can agree with the Harley Davidson executive's ideology, buy their products with pride and ride them to the pride parade no one wants to stop you, but don't get angry when lots of other customers look elsewhere.
Do u have a rainbow sticker on your bike?
It's a bunch grown men that are ticked off that the company they've supported their entire lives sporting tight leather pants and riding alone with their male buddies are now being forced out of the closet they've been hiding in all these years. 😂
HD has shot themselves in the foot so many times at this point.
Even before going "woke", Harley is WAY over priced for what it is. Harley has been riding on the name alone for years. The woke thing is simply the last straw.
The terms ‘woke’ and ‘dei’ have been weaponized to bring in divisive arguments. Woke meant people thinking outside of their bubble. DEI is to ensure there is diversity - does NOT promote unqualified employees. You still have to be qualified - but it emphasizes diversity to bring in different perspectives. Please stop adding to the divisive culture. We’re all about riding and being inclusive. I’m HD but ride with bikers from all brands and all walks of life. Just because a company tries to include all people as riders, doesn’t mean they require a backlash. And the comment about the bud light going ‘full american’ seems to indicate that only the white Americans are the only true Americans… we’re all Americans and the fact that we have to continue conversations like this means that there really is a need for DEI.
The voice of reason...!
When it comes down to it, harley is beholden to their shareholders. You owning a harley doesnt give you a ahare of the company. Lopk at who the larhest shareholders are, of all the woke companies, and you will start to see a pattern. The company itself really has no say when blackrock investments holds 2/3 of their company.
I have no problem with anyone supporting whatever they want.
That said, I refuse to allow any of my money to used in their endeavor to do so and that includes any of my money going to the salaries of those that push those things.
I used to work in the entertainment industry as a truck driver. I refused to go on tour with more than one artist because of what I perceived as their disdain of our constitution, and I absolutely refused to help them make even on penny. This is no different as far as I'm concerned.
As long as those at the top support the things that I disagree with, none of my money is going to them, or the company that they run.
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
I was in SAN FRANCISCO overnight and I saw a well lit rainbow on top, of a skyscraper.. what do you do, when it's not just h.d.... what if it's the city, and the country, and the world, and we're just a small group, of leftover rebels, not realizing it.. ???
What about Triumph motor 17:52 cycles, I had a custom chopper 650 Triumph when I was 21 I'm 68 now that bike would sit there and lope , sounds just like a Harley,loved that bike.
Been riding Harley's for 50 yrs love my Harley's but I know one thing if this is the road Harley wants to go down they can have the people their supporting buy them WON'T buy another one , had ENOUGH of this B.S. & I'd like to know why the hell is a German running an American icon company ?
Because the Management has been "Installed" Deliberately.....Dig deep to discover the Real Reasons. Nothing this Big happens by accident. get it???
My point of contact with The Motor Company is my local dealership. I'm on a first name basis with the gals in clothing, with the service techs, with the sales staff, with the folks in parts. When it comes to motorcycles for me it's my local Harley Dealership. In addition I support my favorite Denver Harley performance shop. They only work on Harleys.
So for me it's personal connections and personal loyalty. Im sticking with my Harleys.
If the company puts out a quality product and it's a company that supports DEI , why would you care? A better focus would be on when is the new big bore kits for the new 2024 117 coming out, or what's the new 2025 Indian Challengers going to look like. Respectfully.
Because people who have values don’t want their money supporting sick depraved trash.
The Indian pursuit is the cvo version of the challenger it’s a lot less expensive than a road glide cvo I may go that route for a new bike save thousands I’ll trade or sell my street glide to do it. Harley gave me an insulting offer for a trade Indian did not they were better.
Sad to see all these companies doing this I agree just put out a statement saying we want the best of the best period. My Harley’s paid off so I own it and the used market is going to benefit from what HD is doing
I love my Indian Pursuit. Best bike I've ever owned or ridden, and I'm a motorcycle mechanic at an independent shop that works on a little bit of everything, but mostly works on Harleys.
Oh so this is what tips ppl over the edge....not the poor customer service, lack of quality, inferior product design or simply the ole hundred dollar mantra. Idgaf you do you & ill do me & base my decisions on craftmanship, quality designs, service & lastly the brand.
Reading as a European, it is really hard for me to find the "divisiveness" in any topic about human rights. We all know it's marketing, you don't have to explain it to me or others, but it is really difficult to find the harm in a company supporting _equal_ (not more!) rights for its workforce and its riding base. Whenever I hear "this is political" arguments to an expansion of rights to include other human beings, I can't help but think that it is certain specific, fear-mongering networks (which plight the US of A particularly) which conveniently turned all this "political" to stoke fear, engagement and action from a certain susceptible base. You can disagree, and we can agree to disagree.
It is another thing to analise this move from a branding and business management perspective, where considering HD riding base, it might have not been the most riskless choice from em. But maybe, just maybe, they are tryin' to reach other demographics of customers who normally wouldn't imagine themselves as a typical HD customer, and addressing that by these little harmless campaings should be a nice thing, one you should rejoice for, not whine about or undermine. Any other "non-LGBTQ" HD rider should be glad about this kind of base-expanding campaigns, if only _they_ weren't the ones who cling onto these things, whine about em and, thus, make em "political". Just my 2cents.
Most intelligent response here. Bravo.
I see your point, and im replying respectfully to show you ours. It's one thing to try to advertise to crowds outside your typical customer base to bring in more riders, and it's one thing to support diversity and equality in your company. But the way it's being gone about is atrocious, especially in the United States. I've never been to Europe and I'm not sure if you've ever been to the USA but many of us were brought up with certain values. Values like: skin color doesn't matter, sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you, we may disagree on certain things but we are all still Americans, judge by character not by appearance, right is right even if you're the only one doing it. I can go on and on. But now, all these initiatives and DEI and whatnot has flipped the script. They're saying skin color matters. They're saying words are violence and not agreeing with what they say makes you racist, and bigoted, and a terrible human being. White people are being forced to attend seminars and trainings about the crimes of the white race and the dangers and privileges of whiteness. They're more likely to hire a black lesbian than doesn't ride and knows nothing about bikes than they are a white straight guy who's been riding for 30 years just to get the diversity points. That affects quality of service. And it's not just Harley Davidson. They're just the most recent in a long line of companies hopping on this bandwagon cramming this stuff down the throats of people that don't support it, cramming it down the throats of their original customer base despite the fact it going against the vast majority of our personal views and values. And here in the USA it has been politicized. There is one party heavily endorsing and supporting and pushing this stuff, and the other party fighting back as hard as possible. It's causing division in our country to the point where a lot of people not only believe there will be a second civil war but where many are starting to think it's the only way to solve the problem. The message being pushed now is left is right and right is wrong. How am I supposed to feel about a company that I've been loyal to my whole life that now openly supports policies being pushed by a group of radicalists and a political party that says I'm inherently bad for being white? That the color of my skin is offensive? That my skin color matters more than my character, skills and abilities? Not only that how am I supposed to support a company who openly supports and pushes the policies of a radical political party that says I'm evil for being a conservative and a Christian and because I don't agree with everything they say I'm a racist and a bigot. How do I support companies that tell me I have to say a man is a woman and a woman is a man or else I lose my job? That's not freedom its tyranny, and it goes against the very foundation our country was built on. They drew a line in the sand and told us to pick sides and then they hated us for standing on the opposite.
Well said. I’m not sure what’s wrong with equity in this country?
DEI does not mean the people that are not Caucasian are not qualified.
Nowadays people on the right think that every Black, Hispanic, middle Eastern or woman in a position means that they only got hired because of the lie skin color or gender.
So every doctor, lawyer, engineer, and astronaut that’s Black or Hispanic or woman means that they got the job not base on merit?
It’s offensive. So no matter how hard I work if I obtain a position like Doctor, lawyer or engineer it means that I got not base on merit?
@@casey1103, have you ever considered that for so long, it has been people of color and LGB communities that have never been given a fair opportunity to be hired? So when companies look to diversify their employee population, it’s not so much “we don’t want White people” but more, “we need to finally give other people an opportunity”. Yeah, I understand that may make “White people” FEEL like they are unwanted, but that’s not what’s actually happening, what’s actually happening is the unfair advantage of being White is being taken away. The other issue is that you are working under the assumption that people of color or members of the LGB community are not qualified and/or not qualified more than a white person. White people here are getting all worked up because people of color and gay people are getting hired or being advertised to, and yet want to claim it’s not prejudice or racism🤷🏽♂️ your action in fact proves that it’s about skin color or sexual preference, because if it wasn’t, you wouldn’t care who gets hired or advertised to.
@@eduardocorrea530 of course I have, and I see your point. If there were two similarly qualified candidates for a job and one was white and the other was black or LGB then I would consider that fair enough. BUT thats rarely the case. What we are seeing is severely underqualified candidates being hired for jobs based on skin color and sexual orientation over more experienced and more qualified candidates who are just straight white men.
I'm not saying that's every time. But I'm going to say it's the majority of the time. And I'm watching it happen at my job which is in an industry where you really don't want someone underqualified performing the work, you know?
Everyone should get the opportunity to get the job Regardless of sexual orientation or skin color but whoever gets the job should be the most qualified candidate, not the most "diversified" candidate.
Also, it's not that we feel or perceive we are unwanted. When I have to start taking mandatory trainings about the privileges and dangers of "whiteness" that's a pretty clear sign of where the powers that be stand. I grew up poor white trash. I didn't have any "privilege" and I worked hard to get where I am now. It wasn't being white that earned it and it wasn't being straight that earned it, it was effort and the ever present Grace of God.
When I'm told that I have to hire the man dressed as a woman and wearing the raccoon tail on his pants that just graduated college with an unrelated degree over the construction superintendent with the 20 years of experience for the heavily laborious factory job that requires mechanical inclination, knowledge of hand tools, and strict adherence to safety standards then it's a problem. And that's not an exaggeration.
I tend to roll my eyes when I hear "core customers" in the last 10 years,....they're now priced out of the core who made them what they are
Saw tons of Harley’s all weekend. Nothing but people enjoying the weather and their bikes. Just enjoy what you have. Life is too short to be arguing with strangers on the internet
Indian is American made. Harley is farmed out to other Countries for their manufacturing.
Sadly ,on the Indian forums, the inside of the rim on a Scout said Made in China.
Wake up, dude. Indian is no different.
Indian is anti woke , keep rolling 🇺🇸
Indian 🇺🇸
Am i gonna sell my Harley? F no! Am i buying another one? Eh, i need to take a look at Indian, when it is "upgrade" year.
Indian is woke too unfortunately.
Indian does the same stuff. Polaris just hides behind the Indian name.
@WolfinWolvesClothing713 A friend of mine told me Indian was not publicly traded. I got happy until I checked and discovered that Polaris IS and one of the major share holders is Black Rock. Well Phuq, id almost rather go back to riding rice and this point.
The business model of selling fewer bikes, but at a higher mark-up, is what's killing Harley Davidson. People want value for their dollar, and brand loyalty at any cost will just not cut it anymore. People routinely feel a need to upgrade the hobbled performance of these machines, and are getting warranty cancellations if they DIY it, instead of paying though the nose having the work done at a HD approved shop with overpriced OEM parts. This is causing a back-lash.
To court new riders, building a bike for under $10,000 that performs right off the showroom floor, like other manufacturers are doing, would be a game changer. The old rich guys can still do what they have always done, but the new riders want value and time in the saddle, not another day with their expensive bike in the shop. They don't gaf about woke or not woke, t-shirts, or big logos either.
If the soy boy CEO isn't gone by this winter, then my HD goes up for sell and I'll be bike shopping next year.
What does selling it really show Harley? If you sell it what company are you going with? Maybe not buy Harley shirts and merch?
I’m not sure if I sell my bikes if that would really send a message to Harley since they don’t really know me or anything ya know. I guess it’s just not riding a bike that supports drag shows for kids?
The money you'll get will probably be WOKE money.
Selling your bike won’t really make a difference. Remember you are not Harley’s customer. The dealership is. Meaning as, the motor company has already been paid for the bike. Going forward make choices that sends no more money to the motor company
@@markmaese1599 What money isn't woke money nowadays?
@@cbigclarkeHD has always been about marketing. It's how they have survived for decades. I will not represent anyone or anything that hates and wants to destroy this country. Rolling around on what is essentially free advertising for such a company is something I will not tolerate. The great thing about this country is the freedom to choose. They choose to destroy it, and I choose not to put up with it. End of story.
As a two-time Indian owner, now is the time to buy Indian!
Buell is back and has some cool bikes coming out.
Here's the problem... Some CEO's and hiring staff do not see color and seriously only want good, dedicated and skilled workers. However, there is a huge chunk of America that still, won't hire people who are gay or of color or they lean toward the white folks. So, unions and the Gov steps in to try and fix it, but that doesn't work. Just like you can't force me to have a band member of color, I'll give push back if that's not my choice. It's not out of racism, it's out of what works for me. If they are of color or gay and they do a great job, maybe I'll make that decision. However, forcing companies is another thing. But, with unions and shareholders, etc, etc. there is expectation and pressure for inclusion. I would not say they went, "woke". They more or less have to work within the bounds. So, what's the answer? We would hope that by now people are automatically inclusive, but they aren't.... some, certainly not all. It would be nice if people acted out of their own conscious, but we aren't there yet. Indian? They are owned by Polaris. Who the hell knows what the policies are there. However, I bet the majority of people boycotting Harley aren't even the market for a bike right now. And... what about all the shirts and apparel that they make in China? Can we talk about that?
Thank you for putting yourself out there on this topic.
Look equal rights are equal rights. Trying to make one group "more equal" is stupid. Hiring a person because of color or sexual orientation is the same as not hiring a person because of color or sexual orientation. Ability and experience and maybe education not color would be my criteria. I don't own a business but worked for 3 large corporations with labor unions. Everyone in the union is equal! Harley has Union workers. I have owned 8 Harley Davidson my latest is a 2024 Heritage softail. I have ridden all my life I'm 76 and have met the greatest people because of motorcycles in general and Harley in particular. I hope they will continue to be the greatest motorcycle company in the world and forget the political posturing.
Go woke go broke!
I really dont want to buy an indian but it hurts to see the CEO of Harley-Davidson making stupid calls. The brand is so iconic, fire him.
Been with Harley for 60 plus years, stood with the company through thick and thin times. Watched the AMF times who actually saved Harley from total wipeout. Saw the big change in the early 80s when Willie G took back the company and fixed it with the new Evo engine plus a few design up grades. This one trick pony CEO and its woke board are taking Harley totally off shore to the country of Thailand. Cheap labor more profit for the corporate end. For some time now Harley hasn’t been fully made in the USA. Most parts are made overseas and sent back into the states to be assembled. This should not stop ya from riding your Harley you own. Just don’t patronize the dealerships and the Corporate asses. There are numerous aftermarket companies that provide just about anything you could need to fix up your bike that are made better and fit better. Stop sweating the small stuff and get on with your life. CorporateHarley needs us far more than we need them. Just don’t support a company that doesn’t support you and I the folks that kept them alive for so many years. Just flush the toilet and let Harley Corporate swirl down the hole. It will soon fix it self.
I began saying back in the late 80's and early 90's that Harley Davidson was trying to move beyond their customer base. My father and 3 of my uncles all rode Harley's and I grew up tearing down nuck's, pans, flat's and even Iron's. We even had a few Harley dirt bikes that were just a lot of fun. My 16th birthday came around in January of 1990 and my Dad traded up a 76 sporty with bi-centennial stickers on it and a lot of anniversary stuff. I rode through that summer and the next and then a friend of mine showed up on a brand new Honda Hurricane and offered to trade me for it, being young and dumb I did it and my Dad was mad as he could be. wasn't even 3 weeks before he came home with a bright orange set of full racing leathers and told me if he ever caught me on that bike without those on I would never see it again. About a week later that bike almost killed me but those leather saved me a whole lot of skin. I left home about 6 months later and the first thing I bought with my adult money was a 1993 Harley Davidson Softail custom, cost me 11,500 from my deployment money and was shipped to me from Honolulu. I rode that thing all over Germany in the 2 years I was there and a few other countries that the US carries SOFA agreements with and it was the time of my life. An unfortunate turn of circumstances prevented me from being able to ship it back although I did take off a lot of pieces and start mailing them home. I ended up selling it to a friend for 6000 and came back home with all the intentions of buying another, but I never seemed to have the money to get another one. Couple years home I made some strategic moves and came up with an 883 and this was where I learned much more than I ever thought I would. Even having had wrenched on them as a kid and worked with the old stuff I knew the innovation within the sportsters and it showed me a whole new life. My uncle and I turned that bike into a road ripping monster of a machine that actually dyno tested at Darlington at 97 HP and 112 FP of torque which was big for the time. I lost that bike because of some other unfortunates but as I looked around I began to see that the motor company was just getting out of hand with pricing and customer service was in the drink. I spent a lot of years riding a 75 Honda CBR 1000, a GSXR 750, a 1983 Honda Goldwing, a Shadow 750 and a Vulcan 800. Then my Dad passed away and I gained his 93 Goldwing which I will keep till I can pass it to my grandson. In the last coupe years I actually got the nerve to buy another bike from Harley and I kind of regret it but I love it too. I ride a Fatboy Lo that is currently sitting on 25K miles but rides like a dream. I have done oil changes and made a few upgrades but every time I get close to a dealer it never costs me less that n $100 and has gone as high as as $1000 when I had tires changed. that bike has cost me right at 17000 so far but it was only 11000 when I bought it. My point is that I have been waiting for someone to finally agree that Harley needs a rude awakening but instead everyone just followed suit and in some cases even doubled down. Now here we stand with the most American motor company in the world now and they are turning their backs on all of us to try and fit in with a political agenda. All I can say is I told you so, but then who listens to some kid ( now 50) who has no experience? Now I am just a conspiracy theorist living in paranoia, or so I am told. Be prepared and remember, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS NEXT \, DO NOT COMPLY.
Tired of this woke stuff being shoved down my throat. You want to be a weirdo, that's your business, but I don't want to associate or ride with you. I refuse to spend my hard earned dollars at any company that goes down that road. Haven't been in Target in years and still have all I need. I'll stick with the bikes I have and skip a new one....
Lmao sorry my guy… Tim Walz have the masses calling your side weirdos.
@MarquisVegan
Sorry, I don't care what Walz or anybody else says, including the so called "masses". That's the difference between us and the the " masses". They claim to be liberal, yet they can't accept anybody who doesn't think like them, they're prejudice, and have to force everyone to think like them." Us" would live and let live but are tired of the constant bombardment of "you have to think like us or else". Our live and let live policy has allowed the vocal minority to gain this kind of attention. Where this ends up, who knows, but it ain't gonna be fun for anybody. While I don't want to associate or ride with you, I wish you no harm. Just leave us the hell alone because we've been pushed too far.....
No one is shoving it down your throat. You are the one swallowing
@AcidGambit419
OK. You're opinion. Guess you drank the kool-aid ....
Same here f target, f bud, f sprouts and I just found out autozone is quota hiring women to work in stores unnaturally f them too. I don't care anymore if I hurt some gays feeling its them or our country the time for being tolerant is over. Theajority rules and the fa#$s have mistaken tolerance for acceptance, but people are waking up and then they will go back to their proper place under a rock. I give no f's
Or maybe it’s time to learn how to exist with people who are different than you.
People who are used to being in a position of privilege feel like equality is oppression
Being white is not bad ..
Amen brother. In fact it's great.
WPWW
@@mickbowling4412yup. We drug the world out of the cave dweller times by being the smartest monkeys on the plains
DEI doesn't have anything to do with being white being bad... wtf are you on about?
@@OldManShoutsAtClouds DEI is CCP anti-White propaganda
Here's the problem. If a company is publicly traded, there's the new ESG score that was implemented. The ESG forces publicly traded companies to go "woke". They don't have a choice. A low ESG score will drastically lower their stock price. So, ask yourself did Harley go woke or were they forced to go woke in order to continue to provide value to their shareholders? I'll share this quote from Harvard Business Review..."When pressured to engage in ESG, CEOs would likely pick ESG projects that generate shareholder value because their compensation is typically tied to stock price."
Sooo, is Harley woke, or are they just trying to maintain a high stock price?
Not a fan of HD? Don't let the door hit you on the ass!
Omg they want to treat gay and non-white people equally, the horror! 😂
What a bunch of clowns.
So maybe the American companies should take a hint from the Japanese and just build a quality affordable motorcycle and never mind the social implications.
Isn't Indian/Polaris owned by Blackrock?
My opinion is HD Dealers should be boycotted until the board of directors is changed out to qualified production employees and/or possibly the CEO as well.
You’re hurting the wrong people. The dealerships are not part of the Motor Company poor decisions. They are franchises, some family owned for years. Maybe your friends and neighbors just trying to earn a living. Let’s direct our energy where it belongs. Harley-Davidson upper management, not the hardworking employees.
@@jagjr6772 partially true but these family owned dealerships had to bend over and kiss corporate ass to upsize and remain a dealership. So if they are bowing down to corporate wholeness does that not make them part of the problem? It's like being a govt employee knowing damn well how corrupt the govt and ALL its agencies are yet choosing to remain their pawn employee. Makes them complisate to the corruption.
Finally!!! None of the so called Harley content creators will speak up, it’s disgusting… only Harley UA-camr I’m watching from now on!!!
Polaris is entrenched in DEI also.
I bought my Road King used and because of it's age I go through independent shops for service. Also tend to go with aftermarket parts and don't buy any of the clothing or lifestyle accessories. Your milage may vary but for me nothing has changed.
Nobody should stop or give anything up in their lives because a major corporation supports other Americans. It shouldn't affect your life that much that you feel the need to give up certain things in your life. Be a true American and learn to accept that different people, who may not be like you, also live in this country.
So your answer is to be a spineless follower? Good luck selling that line to real Americans buddy. People are tired of this garbage.
I don't think it's an issue of accepting other people's lifestyle rather an issue of having it jammed down our throats. Queers have been around for ever but only in the last few years has that lifestyle been thrown in our face!
@@doughuntley2974 look at Judas Priest, rob is gay and ain’t no one give a shit.
It’s not being acceptable to new people it’s the supporting drag shows for kids and giving kids hormones at 6 because they think they’re a girl or boy in that hour. Kids don’t even know how to do anything on their own, in turn, shouldn’t be given an option to get hormones at a young age.
It's funny the spineless calling others spineless but hey that's these fake Americans these days extremely judgemental hypocrites! America is all about freedom like I said hypocrites
Since as you said most companies do this, just ignore it. The only thing that matters is, does a company make a product that you like? If it does then just ignore that other stuff if it isn't affecting the product.
Well said 👍
I was wondering why you deleted my comment with the article about Harley-Davidson moving its factory to Thailand and now Harley-Davidson won't be American made anymore !!! I sold my 2007 electric glide standard to one of my HA friends and bought a 2024 Indian roadmaster dark which was the best move I ever made.
The only parts HD made "in house" were frames and engines, everything else was outsourced.
Even in the 70's they had Japanese forks...
Indian (Polaris) is just as woke as HD....
How dies it impact the way your current bike runs? If you don’t like the way the company is run, buy your next bike from a company that does not support all Americans right to work.
If anything, he should’ve ditched Harley when he bought a brand new one and it had so many problems it wasn’t even rideable and made multiple videos about it simply not working. But the brand loyalty is so strong you’ll never see true criticism. Even with this, this is just going along with the Harley fanboy community talking points.
At Harley’s 100th anniversary festival in Milwaukee Elton John was the headline act. That says it all.
Being inclusive. Oh god the horror. FFS, get on with your own life.
Colleges recently going away with diversity as not really an issue. If your credentials are great and you happen to be the right color even better.
Maybe I’m not getting the real issues here, but HD has been fleecing their customers for decades now, I remember when you had to pay a premium fee just to be considered a potential customer to THEN be able to buy a Harley. These bikes have been overpriced and under reliable for decades now. And all that was ok, but now if the company wants to branch out and fleece people of color or someone who is gay, now THAT is a problem, and oh boo hoo I’ve been treated like a cheated wife?!?!?! I ride Hondas, because they are reliable and a good value for the money, I don’t care WHO else is riding Hondas, it’s none of my business! Other riders don’t affect WHO I am! My motorcycle doesn’t make me who I am. What’s wrong with people!?!?!
The only dei I would like to see is the fair chance for employment (felon, veteran, legal immigrant language barrier). Also.. invest in employees with continuous education programs.
Invest in all Americans that have the potential to succeed.❤
I purchased, off the showroom floor, a 1982 Sturgis for $5,800 and THEY HAD AN $800 REBATE ON STURGIS AND $500 ON WIDEGLIDES. Last new HD for me. Now it's all used bikes
Great deal.
Yep!🎉
If you “boycott” Harley, or any other big corporation, all your doing is hurting the guys in the service dept, the salesman, the girls working at the apparel desk. The board members will be fine.
this is true, but only way you can get the stockholders to voice the discontent on losing dividens
I quite my job at Harley six month ago they are having bikes built in Thialand shipping them back to the States and rebadging them made in the U.S.A and have the hide to charge more for them. Buying a Harley now is a crapshoot wether you really get an American-made bike, but from 2021 onward they are all made in Thialand in one way or another I will stick to my old Harley a real American.
Moving over to Indian.
Why 😂
Welcome to the anti woke tribe 🇺🇲
What about Harley announcing they are moving production from the US to Taiwan ???
Is it so wrong to want everyone on a harley ?
Whats worse? Being woke or being a snowflake?
They're both the same 😆
Indian just recalled their 2024 touring models for rear suspension failures like 5 days ago. Time to buy an Indian? Yeah..... I'm going to wait on that one for a while.
I’m not surprised looking at the angle of that rear shocks, who thought that was a good idea.
I've seen electrical problems too, and polaris supports the whole lgb crap too, they just hide behind the Indian name.
They recalled less than 2,000 bikes. HD has recalled a lot more than that for suspension issues...
Wait until you hear about all the HD recalls.
I have four HD's that I have purchased new since 2001 and one I gave to my nephew when he retired from the military. I wont sell any of my bikes but I will also never steo foot into a dealership or buy another bike from the motor company unless some major changes are made to the woke company. I think its time to look at all the other beautiful motorcycles out there and get off our high horses. HD is showing us that they dont stand for our American heritage. This means its time for some big changes in the near future. I hope Indian motorcycle company doesn't do the same thing HD is doing. Let's keep are eyes on them everyone. Thank you for keeping us informed.
I honestly don't want to buy an Indian and don't think I can ever do it
They already do. Polaris just hides behind the Indian name. They support all the lgb crap too.
Unsuscribed.
I love when people say this. Literally NO ONE cares about you. Or your comments
@@lawncaretoamillion Do you know everyone? Did you polled them or ask them? Your post is a complete lie. And your response shows volumes on you as a human being.
@@lawncaretoamillion If you disagree with my position, can you at least try to provide intelligent discussion instead of trying to demean me as a human being? Do you know me personally to make the argument that nobody care about me? What you show me about you is how petty you are.
Being American means or should mean you accept everyone.
@@lawncaretoamillion Same with responses....
If he does not want to destroy HD, then why did he applaud the destruction of a non woke Willie G era bike and call that act as “the most american thing possible” to do?
I'll keep riding since I own it, but I won't buy another one until they go back to hiring based on merit.
True inclusion means never saying you’re “inclusive “. DEI is the most divisive thing to come along since the KKK set up shop right after the Civil War…