I just noticed something, can't believe I missed it up until now: Megaloma and Zoa are polar oppisites, seeing as Zoa brings death with the on hit skill it gives to a rearguard and Megaloma prevents death with its passiv skill. Maybe further fodder for the Anti-Zeroth-Dragon theory? Could be just a coincedence since it is the only pair where this is the case but I just thought I would point it out.
12:20 in the case of deckout: You will resolve as much as the skill as possible. The moment you decked out by the ability of your G-guardian is fulfilled because you did as much as possible. Then Megaloma will trigger. An ability of a card can only trigger once the ability of the previous triggered cards are finished. In that case GN will still have 0 cards in hand. Dmg trigger do function differently. Dmg checks are no abilities. You resolve as much checks as possible. Dmg checks are not interrupted by card abilities, otherwise 'Nurse of Broken Heart' would interrupt dmg checks as well (which would make no sense). *Edit:* Just finished the video. Imo Algos is the best just because of his insanity in Ezel, which got even better with SpearX. SpearX is highly underrated. I play a lot of GP Ezel in Premium and my playtesting made me realise what a big of an impact these 2 cards actually have in the deck
Also wouldn't the player ending their turn immediately also mean that all the effects would stop and all cards would be moved to their appropriate circles, therefore stopping the GN g guardian's skill?
Actually, with history build, you need soul blasts, so formido is useful. Plus you forgot that it is also a field wipe, so as long as you do it before calling against something that uses alot of RC, you can wipe out your opponent's plan and force him to start over
I feel like ever since Jumbold Dragon, Balanerena becomes a really good and viable finisher option for AqF, Jumbold could maintain your hand size, control your opponent board, while also putting some pressure. in a good Jumbold turn, you could draw 10 cards or so
With Megaloma you have to know which attack should be the one to hit your Vanguard, because if it's there Vanguard you risk getting Double Critical'ed putting your second hit as needing a Heal
The dark zone dragon is really good with Darn Irregs if your opponent rushes you, and you have the starter that outs itself and all your grade 1+ RGS into soul on stride. Fill your hand and soul, then nuke the field on first stride is pretty good, even if you do lose out on the power and drive of Balaam first stride
nice video , but I wanted to ask a completely different question , will it be wise to get the old nova graphics deck now ? as the price has dropped alot , like obviously i want to upgrade it later to the beast deity one
Where are people finding this ruling with multiple crits with the zoo stride? that makes no sense to me since your ending the turn damage step ends therefor no more damage should go through
It was part of the FAQ that Bushiroad released alongside the reveal of the skill. You still have to resolve all skills on standby and any damage that was still on your vanguard.
The real value in these dragons are the capacity to stride without cost after using them so basing the value on the capacity to be a good first stride is reasonable. With that reasoning, the SG progenitor is easily the best since It's a really good first stride going first or second and doesn't depend on your hand and you get value even if your opponent doesn't have any rg. DP and NG benefit more than LJ but It's still pretty good and has a good cost for Its effect. The US progenitor has only use on rush decks but It's the second best first stride since the value is still there and It doesn't depend on going first or second. The DE progenitor depends on your opponent's board but when your opponent's field is full, oh boi, It's freaking great. Heavy cost but replenishes itself easily and can supplement early costs as well. The Magallanica Progenitor. Decent as first stride but good in the late game. It's overall pretty balanced in both ends The Zoo Progenitor. It's a bad first stride but It synergizes VERY well with its clans. GN can generate a lot of hand, NN can create whole boards out of nothing and Megacolony can stun you into oblivion. So using it as first stride and then using as a guarantee to secure games is really great. I put it on the same rank as Magallanica but the Magallanica one has better uses on first stride. The DZ progenitor is.... bad. Ok, It's bad. It depends completely on your opponent's board and your own board to get full value. It's strange af and I doubt somebody will use this.
understandable but the DZ progenitor is great with di for obvious soul reason and gear chronicle IMO is salivating for this card soul charge 5 is great fo them since I loose soul be the time I go into gearnext given the meta we have right now witch most deck multi attack with big boards formido is a go to first or second stride not to mention the +1 to hand
Also, I wanna know the lore of these cards. Are they, as theorized, anti Zeroth Dragons created by Messiah, entirely possible, since they bear some simularties to the Zeroth Dragons? I know it has nothing to do with the cards, but the lore always fasinated me and I wanna know, what these Dragns are.
I can understand where you're coming from a good lore gives a card/unit more dimensions and sometimes makes a skill way cooler because it has a meaning
I think if any deck has terrible first strides you just pop in a dragon get free strides and keep your g3. So I think personally they’re better than some clans options like kagero first stride game was pretty crappy. Now we can just ride our dragon and still do what we do best.
How is pseudo-deleting the board bad? Definitely should be higher on the list considering it's the only prod dragon that can be striden at any time and still be good
Puts Palladian dragon below a dragon that can’t even get rid of a pg? And the neo , mega , gn that’s just outright garbage ? Yeah okay you know what you’re talking about 😂😂😂
Despite the US Dragon not have a seemingly great skill, the card is still used in Himiko/WIseman and MagusWater to fetch pieces. That's a lot more than what some of the other dragons do for their clans. The Dragon Empire one is fairly solid, but having it be cb2 is rough. Not only do you not often have 2 cb open on first stride, but your opponent probably doesn't have much of a board to hit. That being said, going 2nd, it's much much better. The Star Gate one is kinda just bad overall. DP and LJ has 0 reason to ever touch it and Nova just has way better strides. Perhaps future support could change this, but as it is right now, no one is playing the card. The Dark Zone dragon just has the worst conditions. You need pretty much no board while your opponent needs closer to a full board. The pay off is some random retire your opponent picks, sc 5, and draw 1. Wacky condition for a bleh pay off. No one is going to stride this. Idk what to say about the Zoo one. Idk what the idea behind it was. Most games end by 2nd stride, but striding this first is awful. You'd had to be in an abnormally long game and waste a turn going into this while expecting to have some follow up after that you just choose not do on the previous turn. For example Katrina. There's no reason to go into this if you think it's a do or die turn. You just delay Katrina a turn, allow the opponent to build up more resources, and then probably lose the following turn regardless. This stride gets 3 big ??? from me. The whale seems like a cool alternative finisher. He's hard to rank since he's quite different than the others. Even if someone were to value the Star Gate Dragon more than the US Dragon it doesn't really matter since the Star Gate one won't see any real play. Personally I'd rank the US and the DE dragon the highest since they will both see play and have decent effects.
Yeah, in wiseman you call cards for pieces and then proceed to die because you don't have hand. That thing won't be used in wiseman since all your pieces want to be on your soul AND this require you to drop most of your hand for 3 cards. You need a consistent hand size more than ever since the format is gonna speed up with these brutal strides.
@@morph4977 I don't think you really get it. The Himiko/Wiseman deck has a lot of on placement skills, or usable skill in the same turn. For example, sahohime, when placed you cb1 sb2 draw 2 shove 1 in, this is usable when you use the Dragon. You also have ulixes who draws, cumin to bounce stuff back, and other sb reducers. Because Genesis doesn't rush early, you are not really losing anything. Then after placing 5 you draw 3. The purpose of going into the Dragon is to search for pieces not place all your pieces on to the board that you need in hand for the time being. I typically end with an 8+ card hand, more usually because you use it when it's appropriate. You couldn't be more wrong with the use of the card in the deck.
>Megaloma best Progenitor >Gilgal, Formido, and Origorem below it I'm sorry but just no. Megaloma is just sooo bad. Also Origorem goes really well with Victor, Messiah, DP, etc. Overall a great card. I somewhat understand your reasonings but this could be laughable. I honestly see NOBODY using Megaloma unless they just stride it for free stride and nothing else.
"When a player's deck has no cards after resolving an ability, that player loses." After resolving would mean that the skill has already been fully resolved and makes you lose the game, in which case Megaloma triggers and let's you continue as normal (thus, you likely don't need to draw any more cards via one specific skill), if you have more skills allowing you to draw, of course, those need to resolve before ending the game (as 'rule actions' need to be fully performed, in which case, all activated skills need to be resolved at end of turn). That's how I see it...
Agnos is literal trash. the only thing its decent for is brave. even then being forced to call over units and possibly triggers is awful. Why not just open RG circles bushi
Luard one trick and i can 100% say the progenitor dragon is fucking shit in shadows even the free stride is bad as you want to recycle cards XD neo nectar with ahsha i belive can do 4 of there progenitor dragon in a row just guaranteeing they live 4 turns but to be honest i dont think its very good still XD
I just noticed something, can't believe I missed it up until now: Megaloma and Zoa are polar oppisites, seeing as Zoa brings death with the on hit skill it gives to a rearguard and Megaloma prevents death with its passiv skill. Maybe further fodder for the Anti-Zeroth-Dragon theory? Could be just a coincedence since it is the only pair where this is the case but I just thought I would point it out.
This is my list
6. Agnos
5.Balanerena
4.Formedo
3.Gilgal
2. Origorem
1. Megaloma
I dont think you understand that bt strides are all basically the same thing and the whale actually helps bt by quite a bit generic wise anyways.
12:20 in the case of deckout: You will resolve as much as the skill as possible. The moment you decked out by the ability of your G-guardian is fulfilled because you did as much as possible. Then Megaloma will trigger. An ability of a card can only trigger once the ability of the previous triggered cards are finished. In that case GN will still have 0 cards in hand. Dmg trigger do function differently. Dmg checks are no abilities. You resolve as much checks as possible. Dmg checks are not interrupted by card abilities, otherwise 'Nurse of Broken Heart' would interrupt dmg checks as well (which would make no sense).
*Edit:* Just finished the video. Imo Algos is the best just because of his insanity in Ezel, which got even better with SpearX. SpearX is highly underrated. I play a lot of GP Ezel in Premium and my playtesting made me realise what a big of an impact these 2 cards actually have in the deck
Also wouldn't the player ending their turn immediately also mean that all the effects would stop and all cards would be moved to their appropriate circles, therefore stopping the GN g guardian's skill?
Actually, with history build, you need soul blasts, so formido is useful. Plus you forgot that it is also a field wipe, so as long as you do it before calling against something that uses alot of RC, you can wipe out your opponent's plan and force him to start over
I feel like ever since Jumbold Dragon, Balanerena becomes a really good and viable finisher option for AqF, Jumbold could maintain your hand size, control your opponent board, while also putting some pressure. in a good Jumbold turn, you could draw 10 cards or so
Megaloma in Neo Nectar
1 Hand, no Rear guard
Just go to Katrina And have 5 Plant token that have 20k power
ok...but that's only one clan tho what about megacolony and great nature.....nvm great nature is fine
I’d swap your number 1 and 2. Personally I like bored wipes to help stall. And thining hand more.
Does anyone know what happened to the vanguard table he was making?
With Megaloma you have to know which attack should be the one to hit your Vanguard, because if it's there Vanguard you risk getting Double Critical'ed putting your second hit as needing a Heal
The dark zone dragon is really good with Darn Irregs if your opponent rushes you, and you have the starter that outs itself and all your grade 1+ RGS into soul on stride. Fill your hand and soul, then nuke the field on first stride is pretty good, even if you do lose out on the power and drive of Balaam first stride
Pocket Pony let’s be real we know it was designed for pale
@@duellegend71 and spikes, they tend to end their turn with a small field
@@lemonygem4274 Wasn't really designed for either. Those clans both have much much much much better first strides to go into.
nice video , but I wanted to ask a completely different question , will it be wise to get the old nova graphics deck now ? as the price has dropped alot , like obviously i want to upgrade it later to the beast deity one
Wait
Dont you only have to call to empty rearguard spots for angos?
Nope ALL rear-guard spots so you call over units as well
Oh
Hmm.....
Don't know how I got here. Was looking up Eberrons three great progenitor dragons and here I am.
I have a question 😁
Can i use the new blaster dark in a royal deck?
only in premium
Agnos is useful against gredora stride :p also anyone notice that formido has RC instead of VC put i video lol
Where are people finding this ruling with multiple crits with the zoo stride? that makes no sense to me since your ending the turn damage step ends therefor no more damage should go through
It was part of the FAQ that Bushiroad released alongside the reveal of the skill. You still have to resolve all skills on standby and any damage that was still on your vanguard.
The real value in these dragons are the capacity to stride without cost after using them so basing the value on the capacity to be a good first stride is reasonable.
With that reasoning, the SG progenitor is easily the best since It's a really good first stride going first or second and doesn't depend on your hand and you get value even if your opponent doesn't have any rg. DP and NG benefit more than LJ but It's still pretty good and has a good cost for Its effect.
The US progenitor has only use on rush decks but It's the second best first stride since the value is still there and It doesn't depend on going first or second.
The DE progenitor depends on your opponent's board but when your opponent's field is full, oh boi, It's freaking great. Heavy cost but replenishes itself easily and can supplement early costs as well.
The Magallanica Progenitor. Decent as first stride but good in the late game. It's overall pretty balanced in both ends
The Zoo Progenitor. It's a bad first stride but It synergizes VERY well with its clans. GN can generate a lot of hand, NN can create whole boards out of nothing and Megacolony can stun you into oblivion. So using it as first stride and then using as a guarantee to secure games is really great. I put it on the same rank as Magallanica but the Magallanica one has better uses on first stride.
The DZ progenitor is.... bad. Ok, It's bad. It depends completely on your opponent's board and your own board to get full value. It's strange af and I doubt somebody will use this.
DZ dragon counters Ezel tho .-. that's still a reason to go into it
understandable but the DZ progenitor is great with di for obvious soul reason and gear chronicle IMO is salivating for this card soul charge 5 is great fo them since I loose soul be the time I go into gearnext given the meta we have right now witch most deck multi attack with big boards formido is a go to first or second stride not to mention the +1 to hand
If the worst dragon isnt Agnos I dont trust the rest of this video
Edit: Ok, you have my trust :3
Also, I wanna know the lore of these cards. Are they, as theorized, anti Zeroth Dragons created by Messiah, entirely possible, since they bear some simularties to the Zeroth Dragons? I know it has nothing to do with the cards, but the lore always fasinated me and I wanna know, what these Dragns are.
I can understand where you're coming from a good lore gives a card/unit more dimensions and sometimes makes a skill way cooler because it has a meaning
Megaloma. . . Make myself lose to stop my opponent's turn, then continue like nothing happened
when is the next set review coming up?
it is planned for tomorrow
What's this neo nectar card that damages yourself?
Manyhobbiesman no when you damage to six Then reset all damage and hand to deck and then check new damage to 5
Please do a harmonics messiah deck profile
I think if any deck has terrible first strides you just pop in a dragon get free strides and keep your g3. So I think personally they’re better than some clans options like kagero first stride game was pretty crappy. Now we can just ride our dragon and still do what we do best.
If you've done Messianic Lord Blaster memes, can I auto pass the call to rc as much as possible as you've built a full field already?
I think you overestimate Megaloma alot but your reasonings on most of em are p good.
How is pseudo-deleting the board bad? Definitely should be higher on the list considering it's the only prod dragon that can be striden at any time and still be good
Puts Palladian dragon below a dragon that can’t even get rid of a pg? And the neo , mega , gn that’s just outright garbage ? Yeah okay you know what you’re talking about 😂😂😂
agnos is my favorite hush
Despite the US Dragon not have a seemingly great skill, the card is still used in Himiko/WIseman and MagusWater to fetch pieces. That's a lot more than what some of the other dragons do for their clans.
The Dragon Empire one is fairly solid, but having it be cb2 is rough. Not only do you not often have 2 cb open on first stride, but your opponent probably doesn't have much of a board to hit. That being said, going 2nd, it's much much better.
The Star Gate one is kinda just bad overall. DP and LJ has 0 reason to ever touch it and Nova just has way better strides. Perhaps future support could change this, but as it is right now, no one is playing the card.
The Dark Zone dragon just has the worst conditions. You need pretty much no board while your opponent needs closer to a full board. The pay off is some random retire your opponent picks, sc 5, and draw 1. Wacky condition for a bleh pay off. No one is going to stride this.
Idk what to say about the Zoo one. Idk what the idea behind it was. Most games end by 2nd stride, but striding this first is awful. You'd had to be in an abnormally long game and waste a turn going into this while expecting to have some follow up after that you just choose not do on the previous turn. For example Katrina. There's no reason to go into this if you think it's a do or die turn. You just delay Katrina a turn, allow the opponent to build up more resources, and then probably lose the following turn regardless. This stride gets 3 big ??? from me.
The whale seems like a cool alternative finisher. He's hard to rank since he's quite different than the others.
Even if someone were to value the Star Gate Dragon more than the US Dragon it doesn't really matter since the Star Gate one won't see any real play.
Personally I'd rank the US and the DE dragon the highest since they will both see play and have decent effects.
Yeah, in wiseman you call cards for pieces and then proceed to die because you don't have hand. That thing won't be used in wiseman since all your pieces want to be on your soul AND this require you to drop most of your hand for 3 cards. You need a consistent hand size more than ever since the format is gonna speed up with these brutal strides.
@@morph4977 I don't think you really get it. The Himiko/Wiseman deck has a lot of on placement skills, or usable skill in the same turn. For example, sahohime, when placed you cb1 sb2 draw 2 shove 1 in, this is usable when you use the Dragon. You also have ulixes who draws, cumin to bounce stuff back, and other sb reducers. Because Genesis doesn't rush early, you are not really losing anything. Then after placing 5 you draw 3. The purpose of going into the Dragon is to search for pieces not place all your pieces on to the board that you need in hand for the time being. I typically end with an 8+ card hand, more usually because you use it when it's appropriate.
You couldn't be more wrong with the use of the card in the deck.
US dragon works in brave decks
The last pick is so bad. I guess the third place progenitor dragon is the best.
debatable
>Megaloma best Progenitor
>Gilgal, Formido, and Origorem below it
I'm sorry but just no. Megaloma is just sooo bad. Also Origorem goes really well with Victor, Messiah, DP, etc. Overall a great card. I somewhat understand your reasonings but this could be laughable. I honestly see NOBODY using Megaloma unless they just stride it for free stride and nothing else.
"When a player's deck has no cards after resolving an ability, that player loses." After resolving would mean that the skill has already been fully resolved and makes you lose the game, in which case Megaloma triggers and let's you continue as normal (thus, you likely don't need to draw any more cards via one specific skill), if you have more skills allowing you to draw, of course, those need to resolve before ending the game (as 'rule actions' need to be fully performed, in which case, all activated skills need to be resolved at end of turn).
That's how I see it...
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The zoo nation dragon is the worst one
@@gnarly814 not necessary because of clans like mega, they can recover and do stunts on the said next turn.
no its the best one, great nature big draw speciality become very powerfull because this card
I dunno man gilgal is pretty god damn good
And megalloma is trash
Agnos is literal trash. the only thing its decent for is brave. even then being forced to call over units and possibly triggers is awful. Why not just open RG circles bushi
Luard one trick and i can 100% say the progenitor dragon is fucking shit in shadows even the free stride is bad as you want to recycle cards XD neo nectar with ahsha i belive can do 4 of there progenitor dragon in a row just guaranteeing they live 4 turns but to be honest i dont think its very good still XD
this video did not age well XD
disliking for intro ew
welp, luard is dead
Hell no, Luard is still insane with Morfessa. The only reason it could die is because of Gredora
you've seen the new morfessa right luard is doing beter than fine
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