What if Mother wanted to separate the role of the Island's protector and the role of the security system (Smoke Monster) into two individuals. Before that, it was just one person doing both which was a kind of damnation because that person would be protecting but in doing so killing a LOT, and thereby losing their humanity. Maybe that's why Jacob recruited "damaged" people to the Island...he wanted to give them a chance to remake themselves and but also understand what the darkness that inhabits humanity is. Most of them would have had some direct familiarity with that darkness.
@@victorpradha9946yes this is exactly right. Mother always wanted it to be mib because she knew only he had the strength to handle being the monster and Jacob was too innocent and fragile. But mib was too immature and exploration to be the protector, he just wanted to leave and use the light rather than protect it. Thats when she realized it was always supposed to be him but mib should take the bad part of bei g the protector, being the smoke monster.
Jacob really doesn't give a fuck. It's actually more salient in that way when we hear all about how jacob wants this and that, and he's sitting on the coast like idgaf y'all. I'm just waiting to be killed.
@@Saldio lol true. He just chillin' inside the remains of the statue for... I don't know how long has he been the protector of the island, was it 1000 years or more? Some say long time ago before christ. What's more unique is he can travel around the world as long as he wants. The question is, how did he get out from the island? Is he using the boat? Lol. And then in the outside world he can blends well with the people around him. I'm sure he ever stay in a hotel with a girl once;)
Here is how I interpret the core elements of the central story told in LOST: Mother is the Protector of the Island to whom the Black Smoke obeys originally (basically to eliminate those who are perceived as a dangerous threat to the Island). Things change when she is killed and when Jacob's brother is thrown into the cave. At this moment, the Black Smoke liberates itself from its initial function by absorbing Jacob's brother vital essence and by adopting his identity. From this precise moment, the Balance which existed on the Island is disrupted. The Protector of the Island (Jacob) cannot control the Black Smoke anymore; it's even worse than that: the Black Smoke becomes his enemy with opposite goals (it/he wants to kill Jacob and to leave the Island). This is why Jacob starts to bring new people to the Island: he wants them to find a way to eliminate the new Black Smoke which reinforces chaos on the Island. When Desmond removes the cork and the Light in the Heart of the Island goes out, the extraordinaries properties of the Island disappear. The Black Smoke becomes human (unknowingly to itself/himself, its particular form was always connected to the Light). Jack kills him and then restores the Light again. That's how the problem created by Jacob thousands of years ago is resolved. A new cycle begins with Hurley as the Protector of the Island. The Black Smoke reappears as an impersonal force where it originally belongs: in the Heart of the Island. Balance is reestablished. The Protector of the Island can summon the Black Smoke and use it, but knowing Hurley and his personality (his kindness and intrinsic non-violence) one can presume that he won't do that, as he will try to find more pacific ways to resolve conflict with the potential "threats" to the Island.
Your explanation is canon and makes perfect sense, especially how the Black Smoke adopts the MIb’s identity and brings out the worst of him. MIB isn’t inherently evil, but the black smoke makes him that way. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that this all returns back to normal when Hurley takes over.
I dont think the black smoke returns to the heart, I think that was the evil and part of it had escaped and was lurking down there, waiting for someone it could use. Then when Jack killed it, that evil was gone forever (unless someone tries to reach the light and take it again). Its like the light is everything good but the evil derives its power from temptation which drags people into trying to take the light for themselves, unknowingly releasing part of the evil it contains when doing so.
@@jxsh03 i think the black smoke is part of the evil that was used by mother to protect the island. There are several references to this in the series. like the tunnels under dharma, and i dont remember who but characters were saying that the black smoke is a protection system as well. Also (this wasnt explicit) mother used the black smoke to kill the tribe to prevent jacob's brother from reaching the heart. i think there will always be evil, good and rebirth in the heart of the island as mother said.
I've been thinking about this and reading everyone's opinions for a long time and I believe your comment is the closest and most accurate answer that we can possibly get. I like to believe that that the black smoke by itself is not evil or the evil that the island and it's guardians are supposed to stop from escaping. The real evil if we want to call it that is the the light from the source being extingushed causing the island and the rest of the world connected to it to be destroyed. Jacobs view of the black smoke is flawed when he sees it as evil because it wants or rather his brothers consciousness wants to leave the island and in order for it to do so, the island would be destroyed in the process. The original black smoke created by the island has the sole purpose of guarding the source and making sure the light is not extinguished. Presumably the current guardian of the island can summon the original black smoke for protection and to eliminate threats to the source if necessary. The default resting place of the neutral black smoke is in the cave where it protects the source / heart of the island and listens to the current guardian. When it is in this state, if someone went into the source, they would merge with the black smoke giving the black smoke their consciousness. No normal person can do this usually as only the guardian of the island can find the source, that is until Jacob drags his brother there. Now that the black smoke has the consciousness of the person that merged with it, it is free to do as that person wants. It can leave the cave and roam around the island but is still binded to the rules and powers of the island or guardian perhaps. In Mothers case it doesnt really matter if she went in the cave or not and if she was a smoke monster or not as her goals and the black smokes sole purpose were exactly the same - to protect the source and not let the light go out. If Mothers consciousness merged with the black smoke, she would still try to protect the source as the black smoke. If she didn't go into the source, she could just summon the black smoke when she feels she needs to eliminate a threat like the camp well. Wether she destroyed the camp as the black smoke herself or summoned it is irrelevant but it is most probable that she had merged with the black smoke given all the hints we were provided with. So long as the light in the source is there, the black smoke will also be there and can never truly be killed itself. When Jacob's brother stabs mother in the back with the ritual dagger method, he merely kills the consciousness of Mother that was merged with the black smoke, and the black smoke simply returns to the source in it's neutral state again ready to protect the source and listen to the guardian if needed. After Jacob's brother is thrown into the source, his consciousness merges with the black smoke. All Jacob's brother has ever wanted to do is leave the island which creates a contradiction between him and what the black smoke is meant to do which is to stay on the island protecting the source. Jacob's brother could of left the island at any point before merging with the smoke if his Mother had let him. After merging with the smoke, he becomes binded to the island like the smoke is. The only way for him to leave now is to extinguish the light in the source. This removes the black smoke from existance and unbinds him so that he may leave, although the whole island and the rest of the world begins to get destroyed until the cork is replaced. From this fact we can see that the black smoke itself is not inherently evil as it is a creation from the good light in the source whose purpose is merely to protect it. The light provides the power of the black smoke and when it is extinguished, the power of the sources protector is lost until the light is brought back. We see throughout the show that the black smoke is generally regarded as a security system. It makes sense to assume that if Jack and Kate did not kill the Man in Black when the cork was removed, the Man in Black would regain his black smoke powers if the cork was replaced. In the events of the show, the Man in Black or at least his consciousness is killed when he is shot and kicked off the cliff. The fate of the black smoke becomes ambiguous after this point. When the cork is replaced by Jack, does the Black Smoke get created again at the source or is it gone for good? Does Jack's consciousness get merged with the new black smoke whose purpose is also to protect the source? Does Jack get spit out and die before the new black smoke is able to merge with him and now Hurley is in control of the Black Smoke if he wants to use it? Some theories suggest that Jack did infact merge with the Black Smoke and protected the island for far longer than any of the other people were on the island for which is why he is the last person to be reunited with all of his friends in the church and is why he has the hardest time remembering his past life as it has been such a long time for him compared to everyone else. I'd like to believe that all of the magical powers including the black smoke comes from the source itself and the island chooses who it bestows gifts and powers upon, making them special. The creators of the show liked to think of the island as a character itself. Personally I think Jacob's brother was the most tragic character in the show.. His real mother was murdered, he spent his whole life trying to just leave the island and even was the only person to care about his brother enough to try and take him with him but his fake mother wouldn't let him, then Jacob in his rage permanently makes him chained to the island for 2000 years. It's sad to see that they talk to each other like brothers still but he has grown to hate Jacob as he wont let him leave now either and it's understandable he will do what ever he believes is necessary to leave. And finally at the very end when he is able to leave, he gets killed, he never sees the world beyond the island in all his time alive and yet Jacob could leave the island whenever he felt like it. Welp, after all these years this is what I've come up with...probably sounds crazy and I'm not sure even if I can believe it all myself but there's just some things we'll never know and I guess that's one of the reasons that made the show so great and still has us questioning it and coming up with ideas still.
Guitaristmalakian and Jack didn’t repeat their words used by Mother and Jacob either, so who can say if Jack even did anything to Hurley - perhaps the line just ended there
@@Damon242 I think the words they say is a red herring and only said to convince the person of the immense responsibility by making it seem like a supernatural ritual; when really all they have to do is drink the water that they enchanted simply by touching it.
@@jxsh03 It's about will. That's the ability the light gives. The mother told them everyone has a bit of the light in them, but they always want more. That means having more light gives more abilities to a person, the ability to extend their will through thought. But the light itself is like a base power that can be shared and given away, so it's not actually taking or giving light, but rather, someone long ago did manage to take some of the light, and the power of that same light has been passed down through the sheer willing of it. The wine and water itself means nothing, it's just a ritual. The real effect comes from Jacob's will in his mind that basically says "If they drink this, they have the same power as me", and so they drink it, and then they do.
Seems like the "Source" is some kind of metaphyisical gateway to the other side, interesting how she says "rebirth" because I reckon that Locke is the reincarnation of Jacob's brother. The smoke monster is like an incarnation of the darkness inside the man in black and believes it is him because it has his memories.
Yeah its great storytelling. Its like Jacob says "It only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress. The button storyline is essentially the same storyline, but its all just progress.
Surprising it took Mom that long to figure out Jacob was the one for the job, not MIB. But really, who'd you rather have as protector, the guy who always thinks the best of humanty and holds out hope for redemption or the grouchy bastard who thinks mankind is hopelessly corrupt and only wants to get off the island? Not a hard choice.
"What's down there?" "Well, it's a giant butt-plug in the ground, and if you pull it out, it goes boom, but you have to take it out, cause that's the only time you can kill your brother, but then you have to put the butt-plug back in the ground quickly or else the world will collapse." "Wait, wtf"
@@Damon242 I assume you mean the cork? Yes, it seems to be insinuated that the cork and the water system was put in place after this moment. Jacob clearly wasn't a great protector as many got to the source and fucked with it.
@@kbanghart Well the temple seems to be built by Egyptians, along with the statue so its very plausible they built the water system to funnel the water from the source to other parts of the island like the Temple.
@@kbanghart From wiki: "The stone cork seals the hole of The Source, and has four lines of inscriptions on it. The first two lines appear to be written in Egyptian hieroglyphics while the final two are written in cuneiform.
Maybe the entire point of the Hatch was to serve as a sort of a symbolic "mini-Island", like in the Time Machine novel where the main protagonist makes a mini-Time Machine before the big one and sends it away. It was a prelude to things to come.
Correct. You'll notice how there is a vertical beam of light shooting out of the cave in the same fashion as the light Desmond shone to Locke from inside the hatch in Season 1.
Start watching from ua-cam.com/video/Cn_W13lGGJA/v-deo.html . Notice she holds the wine up to the light and removes the cork. This is a reference to the Jacob Richard scene when Jacob told him that the island is a cork holding back the darkness.
@Xinomorphus I came to the conclusion that it is electromagnetism (given the magnetism, the fact that electromagnetism is responsible for light and almost fundamental to everything else in existence, that zoe was looking for electromagnetism, that Desmond is resistant against it, etc). Elloise said at the lampost that the island is a giant pocket of electromagnetism, and is connected to all the the other pockets in the world (Mother: "If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere").
@@stewartplays then if turned off, should it not have had an effect of death? The island’s forces were cancelled out and the island began to fall apart instead. Electromagnetism is responsible for holding matter together and so I remain confident with my original post from 10 years ago
@@superlucas010578 She could be killed, she just couldn't die of natural causes. It makes sense that she would worry about having a replacement. It's not just about protecting the living world either, it's also about protecting the afterlife. If the light goes out, everyone in the afterlife disappears too.
@@pt5137 I guess that's true. I was thinking how it was one of the 2 most anticipated, along with Ab Aeterno. It did raise more new questions than it answered. Which is something it shouldnt have done so close to the end.
@Xinomorphus (Con't) Since the island began to crumble after the light went out, and if it's all connected, then we can assume that the entire world crumbled. So the light, the source, is what's keeping everything in the world together. So it's world-destruction kind of material. If we go by that, it makes sense. It is just an island. But it hosts this light that cannot be allowed to go out.
THEORY ( MOTHER ) How would mother know of the tragic end of someone who falls in the heart ? I believe she herself threw her master before her down it because the leader before her wanted to leave once mother came to the island .but when she threw her master down the heart ,instead of black smoke it caused her mistakes to come to life . instant karma for all her mistakes . Hence she killed Jacobs mom after birth ( then women started dying in child birth on the island ) and ghosts started to appear .she killed her master for leaving her but then M.I.B Kills her for trying to do the same to him . THEORY ( SPECIAL ) M.I.B - talks to the dead BEN - Talks to the dead Hurly - Talks to the dead Walt - psychic ,clairvoyant and can astral project himself ALL special ability's Mother knew m.i.b was the real man for the job and not Jacob .but after the mistake she made of murder m.i.B turned on her . Jacob knew deep down he wasn't special so he searched for people with the same characteristics of his brother . Jacob knew he was not truly the right man for the job . So he looked for people like m.i.B to take his place .
Or she accidentally ended up in the source, or because she was curious. Maybe she was her own version of MIB, but then realized the error of her way and decided to take on the mantle. Maybe the other she was with didn't want to bring more people to the island to replace them, but she knew they needed to eventually, so they had a disagreement and she had to kill them in order to be able to start bringing people to the island. Maybe she was even unwittingly sacrificed in the light in some kind of ritual, and became the smoke monster that way. Maybe the first person with the power had to become a smoke monster to bring the power into this world. She said it's worse than death to be a smoke monster. Maybe that means that when a person becomes a smoke monster, they don't go to the afterlife. We know she never appeared to MIB or Jacob after she died, so that must be what she meant by worse than death, it keeps you from having an afterlife at all.
The wiring was good. Mib and Jacob have been cut off dumb the world their whole lives so they had that childish innocence. It's too show that they were just regular people before.
she knew all island powers, even time travel, she moved through time and saw future, she knew that one boy will become black smoke, and boys will be enemies
They explain it in the episode whet rose goes to see a faith healer. There are pockets of electromagnetic energy that can be harnessed. It's the source of power for the protector
Also after 5 Years: I think pple get the whole thing wrong. In fact the world is hellish bad and via sciene they tey to enter this place where you can clean and repend or die and find freedom but also they can change the natural ongoing. Jacob just starts to direct little amounts of people to there to prove his brother wrong and on the other side his brother wants to go to stop this from the core of the problem in the human world.
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“No it doesn’t, you wanted it to be him! But now I’m all you have”
The pain in that line was excruciating. Mark Pellegrino was superb in Lost.
He's superb in everything honestly.
And in Supernatural as Lucifer
And its like the only show in which he's a good guy. Refreshing, truly.
What if Mother wanted to separate the role of the Island's protector and the role of the security system (Smoke Monster) into two individuals. Before that, it was just one person doing both which was a kind of damnation because that person would be protecting but in doing so killing a LOT, and thereby losing their humanity. Maybe that's why Jacob recruited "damaged" people to the Island...he wanted to give them a chance to remake themselves and but also understand what the darkness that inhabits humanity is. Most of them would have had some direct familiarity with that darkness.
@@victorpradha9946yes this is exactly right. Mother always wanted it to be mib because she knew only he had the strength to handle being the monster and Jacob was too innocent and fragile. But mib was too immature and exploration to be the protector, he just wanted to leave and use the light rather than protect it. Thats when she realized it was always supposed to be him but mib should take the bad part of bei g the protector, being the smoke monster.
"Someone has to protect it, Jacob"
"I don't care!!"
lol xD
Jacob really doesn't give a fuck. It's actually more salient in that way when we hear all about how jacob wants this and that, and he's sitting on the coast like idgaf y'all. I'm just waiting to be killed.
@@Saldio lol true.
He just chillin' inside the remains of the statue
for... I don't know how long has he been the
protector of the island, was it 1000 years
or more? Some say long time ago before christ.
What's more unique is he can travel around
the world as long as he wants. The question is,
how did he get out from the island? Is he using
the boat? Lol. And then in the outside world
he can blends well with the people around him.
I'm sure he ever stay in a hotel with a girl once;)
@@dhelsgade what is Jacob? He’s immortal but is that science based or sci fi
@@007FusiionYou r funny!
Jacob: "What's down there?"
Mother: "Life, death, and rebirth."
Jacob: "..... Seriously... what's down there?"
Petscop
*_Jacob: "..... Seriously... what's down there?"_*
*_Mother: "FUCKING WINCHESTERS!!_*
The warp core of our starship.
Thats the one part of the island that he has never been and the survivors had
@@andybrookes4721 well desmond magnetic man anyone else who "survived"
Here is how I interpret the core elements of the central story told in LOST:
Mother is the Protector of the Island to whom the Black Smoke obeys originally (basically to eliminate those who are perceived as a dangerous threat to the Island). Things change when she is killed and when Jacob's brother is thrown into the cave. At this moment, the Black Smoke liberates itself from its initial function by absorbing Jacob's brother vital essence and by adopting his identity. From this precise moment, the Balance which existed on the Island is disrupted. The Protector of the Island (Jacob) cannot control the Black Smoke anymore; it's even worse than that: the Black Smoke becomes his enemy with opposite goals (it/he wants to kill Jacob and to leave the Island). This is why Jacob starts to bring new people to the Island: he wants them to find a way to eliminate the new Black Smoke which reinforces chaos on the Island.
When Desmond removes the cork and the Light in the Heart of the Island goes out, the extraordinaries properties of the Island disappear. The Black Smoke becomes human (unknowingly to itself/himself, its particular form was always connected to the Light). Jack kills him and then restores the Light again. That's how the problem created by Jacob thousands of years ago is resolved. A new cycle begins with Hurley as the Protector of the Island. The Black Smoke reappears as an impersonal force where it originally belongs: in the Heart of the Island. Balance is reestablished. The Protector of the Island can summon the Black Smoke and use it, but knowing Hurley and his personality (his kindness and intrinsic non-violence) one can presume that he won't do that, as he will try to find more pacific ways to resolve conflict with the potential "threats" to the Island.
Your explanation is canon and makes perfect sense, especially how the Black Smoke adopts the MIb’s identity and brings out the worst of him. MIB isn’t inherently evil, but the black smoke makes him that way. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that this all returns back to normal when Hurley takes over.
I dont think the black smoke returns to the heart, I think that was the evil and part of it had escaped and was lurking down there, waiting for someone it could use. Then when Jack killed it, that evil was gone forever (unless someone tries to reach the light and take it again). Its like the light is everything good but the evil derives its power from temptation which drags people into trying to take the light for themselves, unknowingly releasing part of the evil it contains when doing so.
@@jxsh03 i think the black smoke is part of the evil that was used by mother to protect the island. There are several references to this in the series. like the tunnels under dharma, and i dont remember who but characters were saying that the black smoke is a protection system as well. Also (this wasnt explicit) mother used the black smoke to kill the tribe to prevent jacob's brother from reaching the heart.
i think there will always be evil, good and rebirth in the heart of the island as mother said.
I've been thinking about this and reading everyone's opinions for a long time and I believe your comment is the closest and most accurate answer that we can possibly get.
I like to believe that that the black smoke by itself is not evil or the evil that the island and it's guardians are supposed to stop from escaping. The real evil if we want to call it that is the the light from the source being extingushed causing the island and the rest of the world connected to it to be destroyed.
Jacobs view of the black smoke is flawed when he sees it as evil because it wants or rather his brothers consciousness wants to leave the island and in order for it to do so, the island would be destroyed in the process.
The original black smoke created by the island has the sole purpose of guarding the source and making sure the light is not extinguished.
Presumably the current guardian of the island can summon the original black smoke for protection and to eliminate threats to the source if necessary.
The default resting place of the neutral black smoke is in the cave where it protects the source / heart of the island and listens to the current guardian. When it is in this state, if someone went into the source, they would merge with the black smoke giving the black smoke their consciousness. No normal person can do this usually as only the guardian of the island can find the source, that is until Jacob drags his brother there.
Now that the black smoke has the consciousness of the person that merged with it, it is free to do as that person wants. It can leave the cave and roam around the island but is still binded to the rules and powers of the island or guardian perhaps.
In Mothers case it doesnt really matter if she went in the cave or not and if she was a smoke monster or not as her goals and the black smokes sole purpose were exactly the same - to protect the source and not let the light go out. If Mothers consciousness merged with the black smoke, she would still try to protect the source as the black smoke. If she didn't go into the source, she could just summon the black smoke when she feels she needs to eliminate a threat like the camp well. Wether she destroyed the camp as the black smoke herself or summoned it is irrelevant but it is most probable that she had merged with the black smoke given all the hints we were provided with.
So long as the light in the source is there, the black smoke will also be there and can never truly be killed itself.
When Jacob's brother stabs mother in the back with the ritual dagger method, he merely kills the consciousness of Mother that was merged with the black smoke, and the black smoke simply returns to the source in it's neutral state again ready to protect the source and listen to the guardian if needed.
After Jacob's brother is thrown into the source, his consciousness merges with the black smoke. All Jacob's brother has ever wanted to do is leave the island which creates a contradiction between him and what the black smoke is meant to do which is to stay on the island protecting the source.
Jacob's brother could of left the island at any point before merging with the smoke if his Mother had let him.
After merging with the smoke, he becomes binded to the island like the smoke is. The only way for him to leave now is to extinguish the light in the source. This removes the black smoke from existance and unbinds him so that he may leave, although the whole island and the rest of the world begins to get destroyed until the cork is replaced.
From this fact we can see that the black smoke itself is not inherently evil as it is a creation from the good light in the source whose purpose is merely to protect it. The light provides the power of the black smoke and when it is extinguished, the power of the sources protector is lost until the light is brought back. We see throughout the show that the black smoke is generally regarded as a security system.
It makes sense to assume that if Jack and Kate did not kill the Man in Black when the cork was removed, the Man in Black would regain his black smoke powers if the cork was replaced.
In the events of the show, the Man in Black or at least his consciousness is killed when he is shot and kicked off the cliff.
The fate of the black smoke becomes ambiguous after this point. When the cork is replaced by Jack, does the Black Smoke get created again at the source or is it gone for good? Does Jack's consciousness get merged with the new black smoke whose purpose is also to protect the source? Does Jack get spit out and die before the new black smoke is able to merge with him and now Hurley is in control of the Black Smoke if he wants to use it?
Some theories suggest that Jack did infact merge with the Black Smoke and protected the island for far longer than any of the other people were on the island for which is why he is the last person to be reunited with all of his friends in the church and is why he has the hardest time remembering his past life as it has been such a long time for him compared to everyone else.
I'd like to believe that all of the magical powers including the black smoke comes from the source itself and the island chooses who it bestows gifts and powers upon, making them special. The creators of the show liked to think of the island as a character itself.
Personally I think Jacob's brother was the most tragic character in the show.. His real mother was murdered, he spent his whole life trying to just leave the island and even was the only person to care about his brother enough to try and take him with him but his fake mother wouldn't let him, then Jacob in his rage permanently makes him chained to the island for 2000 years. It's sad to see that they talk to each other like brothers still but he has grown to hate Jacob as he wont let him leave now either and it's understandable he will do what ever he believes is necessary to leave. And finally at the very end when he is able to leave, he gets killed, he never sees the world beyond the island in all his time alive and yet Jacob could leave the island whenever he felt like it.
Welp, after all these years this is what I've come up with...probably sounds crazy and I'm not sure even if I can believe it all myself but there's just some things we'll never know and I guess that's one of the reasons that made the show so great and still has us questioning it and coming up with ideas still.
@@simwin Was so interesting to read , thank you for posting this !
When he sais "No it dosen't!" he sounds like a 5 year old
With UA-cam. I have the power. To talk to people. IN THE PAST.
I think that was the direction given to him.
I love how the story of Jacob and Monster is told, resembling they way old mothology is told rather than a modern storytelling approach.
Notice how it went from wine for Jacob, then river water in a cup for jack, then stagnant water in a crappy oceanic bottle for Hurley lol
Desperate times desperate measures I guess
Guitaristmalakian and Jack didn’t repeat their words used by Mother and Jacob either, so who can say if Jack even did anything to Hurley - perhaps the line just ended there
@@Damon242 I think the words they say is a red herring and only said to convince the person of the immense responsibility by making it seem like a supernatural ritual; when really all they have to do is drink the water that they enchanted simply by touching it.
@@jxsh03 and they nead to say now you like me, or now we the same, if you dont say it its not going to work
@@jxsh03 It's about will. That's the ability the light gives. The mother told them everyone has a bit of the light in them, but they always want more. That means having more light gives more abilities to a person, the ability to extend their will through thought. But the light itself is like a base power that can be shared and given away, so it's not actually taking or giving light, but rather, someone long ago did manage to take some of the light, and the power of that same light has been passed down through the sheer willing of it. The wine and water itself means nothing, it's just a ritual. The real effect comes from Jacob's will in his mind that basically says "If they drink this, they have the same power as me", and so they drink it, and then they do.
Seems like the "Source" is some kind of metaphyisical gateway to the other side, interesting how she says "rebirth" because I reckon that Locke is the reincarnation of Jacob's brother. The smoke monster is like an incarnation of the darkness inside the man in black and believes it is him because it has his memories.
Yeah its great storytelling. Its like Jacob says "It only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress.
The button storyline is essentially the same storyline, but its all just progress.
Surprising it took Mom that long to figure out Jacob was the one for the job, not MIB. But really, who'd you rather have as protector, the guy who always thinks the best of humanty and holds out hope for redemption or the grouchy bastard who thinks mankind is hopelessly corrupt and only wants to get off the island? Not a hard choice.
Maybe because he’s naive and wouldn’t take it seriously
Mother loved Jacobs brother, she said that right before she died
I love how flawed Jacob is it makes it so realistic..x x x
The ritual got crappier and crappier. Jacob got wine from a cup for his, Jack got water from a cup, Hugo got water from a dirty plastic bottle.
Maybe to show that it was just symbolic
"What's down there?"
"Well, it's a giant butt-plug in the ground, and if you pull it out, it goes boom, but you have to take it out, cause that's the only time you can kill your brother, but then you have to put the butt-plug back in the ground quickly or else the world will collapse."
"Wait, wtf"
I love the symbology of her popping the bottle open by removing the cork in this scene.
I never noticed that there was light coming out of the top of the cave in a little stream.
The light is much brighter here than later on in the show. People have been trying to get at the light for generations, slowly diminishing it.
Kyle the commentary also suggests that the contraption you see in the series finale may not yet have been built during the events of this episode
@@Damon242 I assume you mean the cork? Yes, it seems to be insinuated that the cork and the water system was put in place after this moment. Jacob clearly wasn't a great protector as many got to the source and fucked with it.
@@kyle1137 So, who else got to the source? I mean just random people down through the ages I guess? And someone built the device with the cork?
@@kbanghart Well the temple seems to be built by Egyptians, along with the statue so its very plausible they built the water system to funnel the water from the source to other parts of the island like the Temple.
@@kbanghart From wiki: "The stone cork seals the hole of The Source, and has four lines of inscriptions on it. The first two lines appear to be written in Egyptian hieroglyphics while the final two are written in cuneiform.
Jacob was low-key a bad protector of the light.
Why was he bad? He protected it for millenia
Maybe the entire point of the Hatch was to serve as a sort of a symbolic "mini-Island", like in the Time Machine novel where the main protagonist makes a mini-Time Machine before the big one and sends it away.
It was a prelude to things to come.
Correct. You'll notice how there is a vertical beam of light shooting out of the cave in the same fashion as the light Desmond shone to Locke from inside the hatch in Season 1.
but the hatch was built afterwards, and it's a machine
it's like the anti-cave
You are absolutely right!
@@floydpinkerton7954 Yeah, and of course they redo the shot of Jack and Locke staring down into the hole.
Start watching from ua-cam.com/video/Cn_W13lGGJA/v-deo.html . Notice she holds the wine up to the light and removes the cork. This is a reference to the Jacob Richard scene when Jacob told him that the island is a cork holding back the darkness.
0:20 literal and figurative passing of the torch.
"But now I'm all you have!'
Dang, Jacob was the original Ben
What could the cup symbolise beside the repsonsibility of the island? Holy Grail? Biblical Allusion?
Jesus took of the cup and drank the wine shortly before he was crucified. the cup and wine represent his blood and sacrifice
@Xinomorphus I came to the conclusion that it is electromagnetism (given the magnetism, the fact that electromagnetism is responsible for light and almost fundamental to everything else in existence, that zoe was looking for electromagnetism, that Desmond is resistant against it, etc).
Elloise said at the lampost that the island is a giant pocket of electromagnetism, and is connected to all the the other pockets in the world (Mother: "If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere").
It’s the wellspring of our life force.
@@stewartplays then if turned off, should it not have had an effect of death?
The island’s forces were cancelled out and the island began to fall apart instead.
Electromagnetism is responsible for holding matter together and so I remain confident with my original post from 10 years ago
Now, you and I are the same.
What a score
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We are going back to the island.
"Now you and I are the same" - she didn't become old like Jacob :)
How do you know how old she was? She could have been 2000 years old.
@@RadagonTheRed We will unfortunately never know how old she was.
When she saw those 2 babies, she saw her chance of getting rid of her responsability (more like a curse) of protecting the island.
@@superlucas010578 I guess it depends on your perspective. Some people would see it as a great responsibility, others as a curse.
@@superlucas010578 She could be killed, she just couldn't die of natural causes. It makes sense that she would worry about having a replacement. It's not just about protecting the living world either, it's also about protecting the afterlife. If the light goes out, everyone in the afterlife disappears too.
That is suspiciously good metalworking for a cup made in 300 BC that washed up in a shipwreck.
Plowbeast Actually there are examples of earlier period metalwork from the Roman Empire of far more intricate providence than that cup.
Everyone hated this one and this was my favorite one by far
This episode? It was literally considered one of the best ones of this season, or maybe of any season.
@@armysniperman80Unfortunately, that’s not true. The reviews for this ep were mixed at best when it first aired.
@@pt5137 I guess that's true. I was thinking how it was one of the 2 most anticipated, along with Ab Aeterno. It did raise more new questions than it answered. Which is something it shouldnt have done so close to the end.
@Xinomorphus (Con't) Since the island began to crumble after the light went out, and if it's all connected, then we can assume that the entire world crumbled.
So the light, the source, is what's keeping everything in the world together. So it's world-destruction kind of material.
If we go by that, it makes sense.
It is just an island. But it hosts this light that cannot be allowed to go out.
looks like the island is the Eden and the light is the forbidden fruit.
@mst3KGf The naive optimist or the perpetual pessimist?
I don't think either is really right for the job.
*i all ways wondered **_what year_** this was supposed to be.*
Like, 1670 BCE.
We need an origin story for her.
This show had the potential for many spinoff shows
I assume rebirth means she died in that cave an returned un-aged.
How embarrassing. Yes, 'symbolism' is the word I meant to have used.
He always gave everyone what he didn't have here, a choice.
Or did he? He saw the future and ensures everyone played into his designs.
THEORY ( MOTHER )
How would mother know of the tragic end of someone who falls in the heart ? I believe she herself threw her master before her down it because the leader before her wanted to leave once mother came to the island .but when she threw her master down the heart ,instead of black smoke it caused her mistakes to come to life . instant karma for all her mistakes . Hence she killed Jacobs mom after birth ( then women started dying in child birth on the island ) and ghosts started to appear .she killed her master for leaving her but then M.I.B Kills her for trying to do the same to him .
THEORY ( SPECIAL )
M.I.B - talks to the dead
BEN - Talks to the dead
Hurly - Talks to the dead
Walt - psychic ,clairvoyant and can astral project himself
ALL special ability's
Mother knew m.i.b was the real man for the job and not Jacob .but after the mistake she made of murder m.i.B turned on her .
Jacob knew deep down he wasn't special so he searched for people with the same characteristics of his brother . Jacob knew he was not truly the right man for the job . So he looked for people like m.i.B to take his place .
Or she accidentally ended up in the source, or because she was curious. Maybe she was her own version of MIB, but then realized the error of her way and decided to take on the mantle. Maybe the other she was with didn't want to bring more people to the island to replace them, but she knew they needed to eventually, so they had a disagreement and she had to kill them in order to be able to start bringing people to the island. Maybe she was even unwittingly sacrificed in the light in some kind of ritual, and became the smoke monster that way. Maybe the first person with the power had to become a smoke monster to bring the power into this world. She said it's worse than death to be a smoke monster. Maybe that means that when a person becomes a smoke monster, they don't go to the afterlife. We know she never appeared to MIB or Jacob after she died, so that must be what she meant by worse than death, it keeps you from having an afterlife at all.
I loved jacob idc if the writing was subpar
The wiring was good. Mib and Jacob have been cut off dumb the world their whole lives so they had that childish innocence. It's too show that they were just regular people before.
Amazing.
I would have asked more questions, before signing a contract wich will last for hundres of years.
He didn't have a choice
she knew all island powers, even time travel, she moved through time and saw future, she knew that one boy will become black smoke, and boys will be enemies
“Its the source, the heart of the island”
Centuries later
Pierre Chang- “This is station 7, the heart ❤️”
Just imagine 😂😂
The orchid was directly connected to the heart
It's funny but I only just saw that film for the first time a couple of days ago
@buffy21033 Hahah I know, its priceless XD
The Source of the Island was really simple bad idea of the writers of Lost...
They explain it in the episode whet rose goes to see a faith healer. There are pockets of electromagnetic energy that can be harnessed. It's the source of power for the protector
Than he became Lucifer
Than?
I wish mib was.out of the island.
Protect is from whom and why?
Ceviz From us - and from Him.
Also after 5 Years: I think pple get the whole thing wrong. In fact the world is hellish bad and via sciene they tey to enter this place where you can clean and repend or die and find freedom but also they can change the natural ongoing. Jacob just starts to direct little amounts of people to there to prove his brother wrong and on the other side his brother wants to go to stop this from the core of the problem in the human world.
What was the use of dharma there if island had its own power
Are they came actually to kill all???
Well as all over the world scientists wanted to discover and use godly power to dominate the world.
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