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Maybe it's just me Freddie, but watching someone who literally does this for a living STRUGGLE with issues that the regular car guy in his garage would be having issues makes this sort of content SO relatable!
You are so right! I think many of us have had the "tiny turn, reset the wrench, oops I dropped it in there" moment.
So true my man
@@justwannasharevideo1058 If there is anyone out there that has turned wrenches for any appreciable amount of time that says they have never had that moment, I'd say they were epically full of shit.
Pro tip, make sure you finish your projects on the bottom row of your lifts so you can easily move them when you wanna work on one of the cars in the top row 😉
Amén yo that. I don’t remember when we last had a project finished from start to end . I blame car trek.
@@zeala53 he just finished the McLaren, and the hellcat.
@@dukeofgames he sure did. But how long did that McLaren take and how spread out was it. The hellcat wasn’t actually a rebuild it was just a disassembly and reassemble. I’m talking about a proper build, like the Lamborghinis.
@@zeala53 So with the McLaren do you feel that the long pauses in the project that he said were because the panel bond that was needed for the assembly was completely unobtainable or the final bodywork and paint were actually because he just didn't feel like doing the work or what?
@@dukeofgames And he made a callout video to all youtubers to finish projects, yet he has like 10 unfinished. haha, not being critical but thought that was kinda funny. Finished is like your opinion man. 🙂
Years ago I wanted to buy a V12 Jag. Best advice I got was "lay down until the feeling passes". Love the channel, good luck with the build.
I agree, been working on a old XJ6.. It's worse than Lotus. Bolts are open ended, so you always need two wrenches and some parts are installed in such way, that stuff has been welded around it later.
Watch Car Wizard Jaguar V12.
It is a masochist thing, you just need to love to tinker to own older British cars. I still have 2 older XKE 6 cylinder cars. My first British car was a '72 Triumph Spitfire; the engine rebuild kit actually came with a block of wood you pounded into the block to fill a gap on the oil pan sealing surface. That was unique. Helped friends work on MGs as well and they had similar unusual issues.
The newer cars are much better. My wife has a 2005 MINI that has been very dependable, just a few repairs like the power steering unit and rear brakes and I did that work. I also have a 2006 Lotus Elise which is a fantastic car - best driver's car I have ever experienced - enjoy driving it more than the Porches and BMWs I've driven. Also, Lotus has used Toyota engines for decades so they are dependable. Steel feels strange to get into a British car and have it start every time, but I'm ok with that as I get older.
I bought a 1995 esprit s4s as a summer project. No where near in this bad of shape but it was my first car I really worked on. I can confirm some bolts alone took half an hour each to get off bc of the lack of space to get tools in. Keep it up though bc it is an incredible car to take out on some winding roads; Colin Chapman knew how to make a fun car.
Can't believe I watched a 20+ min long vid of a man struggling to take off a front bumper 😂😂
Yeah, that would have been 20 minutes of my life I would never get back. Thank god for fast forward.
The struggle be real like that. I remember spending about two hours changing the spark plugs on my 88 351w Bronco, once.
I towuld of taken me about 2 hours before the saw came out.... screw that...
That lower bumper totally has the vibe of "i bought this project car for fun, but i can't really afford a replacement body panel, so i'll make my own out of fiberglass..." then they just got about 40% of the way through, painted it white and stopped.
Yup. Or they had 30% of a bumper and figured that since it was fiberglass they could fabricate the remaining 70% with fiberglass patching kits.
I agree with Tavares that doesn't even look like fiberglass. More like a type of plaster with meshing.
It could be fixed with fiberglass but it would probably cost easily 1/4 to 1/3 of the replacement bumper before the many hours of nasty labor to apply and sand everything. Probably easier at that point to make a mold of the bumper too.
good enough to impress people who don't know any better. That's all they care about.
Lotus usually stands for Lots Of Troubles Usually Serious....
@@kevinm8715 It actually looks worse than that, it looks like they used hay, newspaper and paste, like some kind of paper mache.
Keep it up. I’d like to see you fully restore it. Keep the engine stock with modern reliable upgrades. (Better turbo, intercooler, timing belt cover? And etc…
I enjoyed this episode. Good to see you wrench again.
I worked with a guy who used to be a lotus tech some years ago. He said when he visited the factory in Hethel, people were just standing around chatting, pointing at things and generally not working. He couldn’t believe how little anybody ever did.
With the bumper off is a great opportunity to re-engineer the way it goes back on. Old Saturn bumpers had brackets that just slid on and had maybe 4 small screws that held it in place. Really easy
My 7 series BMW is the same way, 2 big ass bolts, and a few screws on the fender liners and it's out... 15 minute job.
I was thinking about re-engineering that as well... would probably add a lot to the resale value.
I haven't seen anyone mention Saturn with a straight face in about 20 years. Say what you will abou them, but I had one upside down 7 feet in the air and walked away with a couple of scratches. They were good cars albeit weak in the motor department. Loved the suspension.
@@drstrangefart I had a 97 SC2 they were good cars and the engines were damn near indestructible. Mine used to leak oil and when the valves started ticking I knew it was low lol but it never died
He should reengineer the whole frame tbh. Mount all of the body panels on a tube chassis. This car stock is too dangerous for the kind of power it will have
"This is British Engineering"
Well not really. Its a 32 year old car that has clearly not been well looked after and guess what? Cars rust in the USA just like everywhere else.
Having built a Lotus Elan Sprint and restored an Elan +2 I know what you mean about how impossible spanners (wrenches) are to use. Its legend that Colin Chapman looked at the angle on the open jaw end and thought "AHH! I can use that". But in fairness I was always able to get the closed end on any nut or bolt. And I don't recall the ratchet spanner being around in the '80s..... Happy to be corrected of course.
That car is worth the time it will take because time is not a cost outlay and it will be worth good money when done. But keep it OEM as near as possible because that is what classic car buyers look for. And why does everything need to be quick? Is it an American thing? You are dismantling decades of abuse and poor care so yes it will take time. But worth it.
My father (not called Colin) used to put nut drivers and sockets in the lathe to reduce the OD for tight spaces. Perhaps they did that in Norfolk too.
I wouldn't even say it is British Engineering. This is old low volume engineering. My Mondial QV has plenty of headaches to trying to get to things. This video doesn't deter me for wanting either a dry sump turbo or an hci esprit.
Piss-taking sod isn't he! American cars of that age still had leaf springs!
British Engineering.
@@agenericaccount3935 what about it?
Showing the honesty of the hardships of working on vehicles is refreshing.
Typically only watch this channel when Jared is here but this was actually a good episode.
For anyone who has ever turned a wrench on a car, this is very familiar territory. Not being able to see, or move, or get your hands on a stupid bolt or screw. Thanks for sharing your pain!
Giving hoovie a run for his money in the money pit of used cars.
Has hoovie ever turned a wrench on his own? Just curious i stopped watching him couple years ago
@@RumblesBettr He did on his 300TD mercedes wagon. Didn't end well.
He don't to much anymore. The wizard has a guy that just works on Hoovie cars. Lol.
On the red bumper.. use epoxy resin instead of polyester when glassing. That’s what is used on Jetski which are also SMC. It’s more flexible and will bond to it.
Shallow sockets, swivels and a good assortment of extensions makes for easier hidden bolt issues.
I always thought this car would be cool to own... Thank you for showing me I would have made a horrible choice. :)
Well the issues are from rust which is common for any old vehicles if kept outside exposed to the elements often over the years.
Tavares did say he bought the cheapest ones he could find so it is not a concour quality Lotus Esprit.
Still a really cool car. I would probably buy a GT-40 if I had the money first since they are easier to maintain, insure and also perform better being newer.
After seeing that the frame is basically balsa wood and fiberglass with little to no reinforcement, I third this. I always thought these were cool but holy shit. How did it even pass US DOT standards?!
Exactly!
It's one of the cars I wanted, too. I've kinda grown out of having a high desire of having vintage super cars. So many couldn't even be had. I used to circle the ones I wanted in the DuPont Registry as a kid, like it was an autotrader and any used car lot would have a few in the back, lmao.
Fun fact, what turned me onto these the most was Need for Speed 2 on PC back in the day! Most people reference pretty woman, but I can't say as a kid that the car in that movie really appealed to me like the later models. As Tavarish has shown, apparently they only added some lipstick to the wooden & fiberglass pig. HAHA
Two words: BODY KIT!
I mean, not a crazy one, just one that is easier to come by than OEM bumpers.
Fuck no.
After that ordeal I would pay whatever they were asking to not go through that again.
Lotus must have shared engineers with Pontiac. I had similar "fun" when working on a Fiero GT. You may be able to get enough flexibility in the bumper by rebuilding it with vinylester resin and kevlar. This composite will have more flexibility than fiberglass/polyester resin. You would need to rough up the bumper to get a physical lock on it when patching because the the vinylester resin probably won't bond chemically to the OEM material though. You could almost repair the bumper with fiberglass/bodyfiller and use it as a buck to mold an entirely new polyurethane bumper cheaper than buy the used OEM bumper for the car.....and it would be a new part. Check out some of the instructional videos from Smooth-On and Easy Composites for ideas.
ATTACH A STRING TO THE BOX END OF THE COMBINATION WRENCH so if/when you drop it, you can retrieve it.
I wish I had read this comment 2 days ago. It would have saved me SOOOO much time. Thank you for the great tip!
I have to say, I still love this project choice. Maybe it's just my age, but I've always been fascinated by these cars and I love to see how strangely they were put together, and to see one that is able to live on because it is saved.
It would have been nice if Lotus hadn't been using fasteners from the era of "rust on sight" British car manufacturing. Five years of Binky has definitely cooled my ardor for post war British cars! FR
I used to work on these things (in the 70's) and what I figured out is cut first and do the extra work later.
The 3 stages of any car project:
1: I'll just clean it up and drive it
2: I'll replace everything and make it the perfect car
3: I'll just clean it up and sell it.
For the rounded off screws get out your Dremel with a cutting disk on it and cut a slot in the screw and use a flathead screwdriver to remove the scew
you should redo the the mounting studs put rivnuts on the underside of the fenders and bolt the bumper in from the bottom
...and add an access hole so a 1/4 drive deep socket and extension fit straight thru the hole so you don't need to place your hand and wrench in that tiny area.
Both of these replies is how it should've been from factory!!!
But we all know the British like to take such a long time to do things! It makes sense
Eff all of that. Use a hole drill on the fenders to make bolt access points. Then just cover up the holes with stickers. The car will be lighter, and the stickers make it faster. Double win.
Adding lightness
Hoovie has some stickers specially for this
This is the content I am here for. This is how all projects go in real life.
Cars gonna be amazing when it's done ..taken care of they are really cool machines..keep it up chief
Remember when you thought the destroyed mclaren was the most difficult thing ever to work on 😆
Keep going it will take some time but once fixed it should be much easier to maintain plus it is such a classic and rarity. Not just another Ferrari.
I feel overwhelmed just watching this and it's not even my car. Good luck to you Freddie. I look forward to seeing the transformation.
I can only imagine an old Lotus engineer coming across this video and laughing his a$$ off at the American that can’t get to all the bolts!
That’s why I have Snap-On “Stubby” Open End speed wrenches in my tool set. Definitely speeds those, dumbass engineering, types of fasteners off. For stripped out Phillips head screws I use Gator/Speed Out screw extractor bit set For “rusty” Phillips head screws I try a handheld hammer strike impact first.
The moment the wrench fell and saw freedy face, I knew his pain, good luck man.
Also are we gonna see more videos of the Mitsubishi.
when jared films its all in time-lapse and he gets alot done fast and when tavarish films it takes ages and get very little done(9 hours) 😅
Jared wouldn't even be able to fit his hand in there
I’d really be interested in seeing you do something with a newer model lotus. Like a custom evora or I forget the name of the little one that was popular for a while around 2010. Love the content!
The Elise?
There's sure to be someone out there who's pulled a mould from the esprit turbo bumper and other parts.
I would have just used a hole saw on the bumper using the red bumper as reference on where to drill. Done strategically, it would have given much easier access to the rusty bolts and not damaged the body. But oh well, we got to see Freddie go to the next level of crazy this episode.
dude. the bolts were inside the body.
This car is awesome! I would suggest doing a 90's style Paris-Dakar style build. This way, you wouldn't have to worry about the bumpers going back on so much.
I have to say I like watching this 100 times better than car-trek! this is so relatable! This is what I really like to see! There is 100 ways to do it with me usually choosing 99 wrong ways first! One of the BEST videos in a while Freddie!
Keep going, I find satisfying also. Besides, when I refer people to your channel they can’t see what I told them has two, well there are three now of the greatest mechanics ever throw their tools down and walk away from a project. So as the Brit’s like to say , carry on. I have faith you can do this. 👍
Liked this and haven't even watched it yet because it is ALWAYS better than ANYTHING on TV !!! 👍👍👍
I'm in the UK and I have a fibreglass kit car from the 90s (drove it everyday for 20 years). Oh, the joys of rusty bolts........So good to see someone else going through the pain ! Everytime I repair something it gets nice new shiny stainless fixings when it goes back together.
This seems to reflect my usual hellish experiences working on my own cars.
Lotus Restoration flow chart: Is insured?
YES: Continue restoration
NO: Soak car in gasoline, apply match
Fasteners on fibreglass cars always corrode more due to the fact that the bodyshell isn't metal, and therefore doesn't 'share' in the process. Soak everything in penetrating fluid days in advance of trying to undo it. The solution to the front bumper issue is to prep and use the original one to make a mold for a new one. You can then lay up more to sell as well. Have done this several times over the years.
As someone who lives in the Rust Belt, I have two words for you: Anti-seize everything.
Considering the huge effort and success with the Murcielago and the McLaren, I think the Lotus deserves a similar level of achievement and I think it can turn out amazing.
FEEL YOUR PAIN BRO. Was wondering why no one had replace chassis for Lotus Elise with newer material, this video provide lots of answer. Thanks
Idea for what to do with it:
Make it into the Spy Who Loved Me Bond Lotus i.e. silicone the windows and doors up and drop it in the ocean, as it is, now.
Ha! I had to replace my driver side bumper turn signal on my 89. It does super suck. My car has lived in the Southwest, so luckily it is rust free.
Though my 2013 Transit Connect is a daily van I did change a number of body screws to stainless. After a couple years it already had rust streaks from the old ones.
Dzus 1/4 turn fasteners flush mounted to outside of bumpers, with 90 degree brackets underneath to mount, bumpers done. Keep it up! I hate cars with parts that are engineered only to come down an assembly line empty at that time, and then have 5 layers of other things attached on top.
Before I retired from being an aubody tech I fixed a new (at the time) Porsche 911 that had some relatively light body damage. The airbags were deployed in the accident so I had to replace the airbag and all of the sensors. There was one sensor inside the A pillar that was so difficult to get out that it took me 8 hrs to remove and replace it. I was inventing curse words before I finished that job. Oh and we had to buy a special Porsche socket that cost $50 ($150 in today's money) but at least the shop I was working for bought that. I said all of that to say, I feel your pain Freddy.
I was VERY LUCKY w/ a 1988 Lotus Turbo Esprit. Drove it as a daily driver for 2 years w/ no problems. The only money spent was for 1 polarity switch for the headlights and normal oil change/service. Loved that car ! A friend wanted it, so I sold it to him and bought me a 1980 Porsche 911 SC.. Kept that car for 18 years as a daily driver. Again, no money spent other than normal maintenance. Sold it and bought a very well sorted 911 996 cab w/ 51K and newly refurbed engine w/ LN ceramic IMS and everything was replaced while that was done. This Porsche is bullet proof and good for well beyond 100K.
I've actually been in this situation I ground down one of my cheap Stanley ratchet wrenches and heated it up and bent it. To make it work. I'm also a smaller guy 😜
Sell It, Junk It, I personally would not have purchased an old British car to rebuild. But I do enjoy watching another struggle with things I wouldn't. Thanks Tavarish!!
Hi from Britain 🙂 All those fasteners will probably have been galvanised, or zinc passivated when new, but they've got old! There are no Phillips screws on British cars, they are GKN Pozidrive, which uses a different angle on the end of the screwdriver. Using a Philips screwdriver in a Pozidrive screw is just asking for it to 'round out'. I hope this information is useful 🙂 Good Luck.
Best add I have seen on youtube!! Seriously, that grass product looks very good thanks to that add.
What you need is either crows foot or open ended ratchet spanner’s like the Wera Joker
I could never quit staring at that Lotus (bumper) on the lift behind him, as if it were a symbol of the quality of what Freddy and Jared did for a living. 😄😄😄
Shut up!! That is way too harsh!!
It's always satisfying when you get something done in one day regardless of the struggle. I know it doesn't seem like much but you pushed through to get it done. Upgrading all the hardware to stainless or galvanized great idea. Doing a OEM + build is always nice. Those cars are so nice to drive.
Pro tip for bolts or nuts you can barely turn because of how narrow the space is, take a cheap open end/box end heat the middle with a torch and bend it along the flat plane to about 165-170 degrees. You will get a lot more throw in those tight spaces.
If I did a car repair channel it would be an endless string of profanities followed by me burning the car and me saying, "F this car. I quit."
Perhaps it's not shown in the video, but I'm always impressed by the calm demeanor Freddie shows when struggling with these ridiculous bolt placements.
You could probably do Quik Latches on the front bumper, if you're able to drill a hole in the front bumper material cleanly.
This felt like one of your videos from a couple of years ago... and that's refreshing.
Hope we get to see an SCF, once the Lotus is done.
That's real commitment to misery not sticking a phone down there first to see what is in the front wing.
Rear Phillips screw that you mentioned being rounded and rusty may be from a small mud flap. It looks like there's an outline of something else that was once attached there.
Hay dude! I'd do the OEM plus idea. Paint and some nice wheels. Can't wait to see the SL55 manual swap though!
For the cross headed screws cut a slot with cutting disc to use a flat bladed screwdriver then replace with stainless screw preferably torx headed.
Are we keeping the bumper or trashing it? If we're trashing it, I would just break out the cutoff wheel and start cutting it away.
The good news is I think you can get new lenses for those turn signals at Harbor Freight.
This is when you call up whatever friend has the smallest hands to come over and help. A stocked beer fridge for encouragement goes a long way. Also time to go Office Space on those front bumber!
This is the most accurate video of what working on cars is like
When you dropped the wrench the first time I had to pause the video because someone in the room was laughing so hard I couldn't see...then when it happened again I thought I was going to need an ambulance. I've been in that exact position so many times. It's strange how sledgehammers become a viable solution in those moments...
How about custom color matched tube bumbers.?? One of a kind
I recommend you make this into a Inspector Gadget replica car. Do a quick search - when you see the photos from the 1980s-90s cartoon, you will see you can install different bumpers and such - and ride height can be high. Also, Jared will love working on another police car.
I never had many things other kids had when I was a kid, but I did have a poster of a red lotus, I had a picture of a purple Lamborghini Diablo, and I had a black Plymouth prowler.
Just my 2 cents 😁....do away with the orange side markers and front indicators and modernise/update the look with some clear, orange led units.
Either stay with the same size/design or find some small ultra modern units that'll fit with the aesthetics....or if it's not illegal (or you don't care) do away with the side markers completely....carry that theme around to the rear and repeat. 😎
Double BMW/halo style front headlights and modernise the tail lights with a custom multi led set-up or if you have your own idea/design you like....3d print new lenses. 👌
In the UK, where Lotus was born, we have a saying;
Lots
Of
Trouble
Usually
Serious
"Not the best way to film content"... or... the best way? Showing struggles the way you did in this is appreciable and perfectly acceptable. Staying on it for the entire video? Or just going overboard with woe is me kind of thing? I think that wouldn't fly that well. But this, spot on and well done.
Freddy, did you take a look behind the fender liners? Are there any? Sometimes you can access the bumper bolts from the wheel well. Just a thought. Or maybe take the "bonnet" off?
Freddy. How do you have a shop that big with that many cars and only one work light? 😂
Modify the mounting to modern plastic snap in inserts and plastic push in retainers. It will be a snap to reinstall, pun intended. It would also be quick enough to panel bond and install to dry in shape. Kevlar with a flexible low tension resin will make a flexible indestructible bumper cover.
a close ended wrench is a ring spanner.
What about using a flex drive with a socket in those hard to reach places?
Lawn ad starts. My mind " i don't care I'd rather it all be concrete anyway 😂 more space for car stuff 😂
When you've grown up working on British cars, things like this become commonplace. My first car was a Mk 1 Ford Fiesta, tiny little car, hardly any engine in there and it was still nigh on impossible to change the water pump without removing the engine........ and you had to do it by feel as once your hands were in there you could no longer see the target.....
That also might be a ford thing. Took me near two hours to change the sparkplugs on an 88 Bronco I had with a 351W, the plugs are angled, and the rear two are a pain. Changing the starter on a crown vic requires like six extentions for the third bolt, at the minimum. I had a shop do it. I've seen people with a lift and 14 extentions pull it off.
@@ItsDaJax When the Mercedes A Class first came out in Europe and the UK, if you wanted to removed the starter it was an unship or remove the engine job to do it. The car was designed with the engine angled so that in the event of a heavy front end impact, it submarined under the floor instead of entering the passenger compartment......... great for safety..... shit for mechanics.....
Tavares, I love your channel, and keep in mind that you are living in most of our dreams. Most of us would love to buy cars fix them and flip them instead of doing a regular 9-to-5. I’m sure you’re aware of how lucky you are, just a reminder
I have had so many days like that lower bumper. getting to some set of bolts that were either really poorly thought out, or access was ruined for race car stuff
sounds like working on new boats....I do feel ya the brits are good about making it look super clean and having hidden lag bolts behind
You need to have the headlights popped up if I am correct; lotus helped design the mk2/3 Supra and the front bumper is a pain especially with oem rusted out hardware.
It baffles me that you don't have that stunning McLaren under a cover when its inside a dusty shop.
When I pop the hood on old cars (mostly European) and see 'Lucas'... I run!
I would say, if you're not going for OEM restoration, mod it to make it easier to work on... Change the bumper design to need less bolts, maybe some clips... Change carbs into EFI...
Make a cast of the front bumper after temp. Repairs then have it made out of plastic and sell the mold to an aftermarket company! Help keep other loti on the road
One of the great mysteries of British car making from the 80’s and 90’s for the British car buyers is why British cars were made from stuff that would dissolve at the slightest sign of moisture. One note worthy feature of British weather is the amount of rain that happens in the British Isles. Blue bells grow well in England because of the humidity. Not many of these cars survive being in Britain, let alone being driven on roads that are de-iced with salt.
If you had removed the headlight bucket youcould take your arm in thro7gh the front ive done it thatway many times
The type of car owner who buys an old lotus is a British man in a shed with a lot of free time with a personality like James May or a Masochist.
Lotus = Lots of troubles usually serious. The even made the Opel Omega unreliable. That's an achievement!
What i have learn’t today - how ever much I love Esprites TVRs or any other fibre glass bodied car - don’t, just don’t - Thank you for the lesson Freddie 😂👍
As a British person, who loves British cars, and works in British manufacturing, I find these comments on British quality to be .... scarily accurate.