5:47 Lo Air is one of my new discoveries “... That’s what I love about music and sound engineerings.... it’s an endless learning and experimenting game !!!
Wish I had access to a guy like him to help me out... having to do everything by myself is really hard. Writing music is one thing but mixing and turning it into something coherent is a totally different ball game.
Love this video. I just finished a song and needed to pull the bass out a little bit to make more clear and adding a distorted track on it really brought out the picking with the original track still making me able to feel it. Great idea and an easy fix
Some slight dirt on the bass is almost always great sounding in my experience. With my one band that tried recording a demo in our drummer's basement I would split my signal to a DI and a Big Muff and run the thru output on the DI box to my amp. I'd use the Big Muff pretty heavily in choruses, which fit our style, and in quieter sections I'd only use the fuzz as a very very subtle color with my DI and amp sound.
Love your vids Joe. Awesome tips and really is the backbone of my recent leaps forward in getting my guitar/bass sitting in a mix where they should. Thanks for the shares.
I remember that I used to use the Barresi Evil Drums expansion for Superior Drummer 2 years ago when I first started out. That library sounded excellent! I stopped using it when they updated to Superior Drummer 3 and it didn't work longer. I don't even know if I still have the license somewhere or not, but I'd love to give it a spin again.
Awesome! thanks man. think I have been in a rut just using my tube pre then post side into a multi band then into a comp. oddly almost always find myslelf reducing low end? maybe its the old sylvania tube doing its job. cant wait to try some reamping! thanks for vid
Great video man. I play in local bands and have recorded with a bunch of different producers that are pretty much guitarists moonlighting as engineers. They throw me on 1 DI track with a god awful EQ and too much distortion. I'll sound fine when I'm playing along with the guitars on the E string, but the moment I move out of that range, everything goes completely south. It completely discourages me from writing any fills or intricate basslines. Good to see this video though from a person who very much knows what they're doing. At least 2 tracks will definitely be my standard going forward or nobody's getting paid :)
hey, I have no idea what youre saying im new to recording but im sure if I hear these words and continue to do some research on how to record my bass im sure ill eventually figure it out lol thanks for the info.
@@TheLeon1032 Ive had it for a couple years dude and I love using it when I feel the situation calls for it. id say about 70 percent of the time it winds up on a bass gtr layer/kick drum-808- layer/or even my mix buss and its great man! get it if you're thinking you'd put it to good use you will not regret it! its shockingly good on the mixbuss I had no idea that it cou;ld be a thing. also not a very costly plugin so less chance of buyers remorse. cheers dude.
@@JJofCascadia huge thanks for the reply man, really interesting to hear it works on a mixbus, I'm gonna get it as a 40th bday present to myself next month, thanks again for the answer))
I've watched guitar examples and this, and what I noticed is he never takes volume increase into account once he starts changing something. I don't know, maybe it's only for video but it's hard to judge the real result without matching volume.
It actually depressed me for a second. I literally couldn't find any other channels except Warren Huart covering this topic. Every. Single. Video. Is about programmed bass.
In a normal time world One could have one microphone and a screen to record live to have all the possibilities of sound available. Technology would know how you want it to sound and mix perfectly.
ıt has a corelation between di and bass amp .di interferes the bass amp .(phase cancellation )If you change the phase of di you can achieve fat and clear bass guitar sound.
For years I wondered why Pro Tools sessions in tutorials have so many tracks. Different takes? No, that's what Playlists are for. Layering multiple performances? Not usually. Apparently they're just running the exact same track through 4 different effects chains! Not my preference, but whatever floats your boat.
A lot of times it is separate tracks. The problem with copy and paste is that there is no deviation and even after 4 tracks it still sounds thin. So separate tracks really thicken the sound because of the little deviations
You specifically split track bass in order to process it in different ways. It's more common with that instrument. The idea of separate bass performances is unorthodox by comparison, because you'd have to sync it perfectly and the different textures would over complicate it. Doubling is good for melodic instruments; guitar, vocals, orchestral sections. But for your rhythm section, when you want density, split processing is king. Saturate your bass, crush your drums.
So... I always record ov/dist guitar in that 4 track way. L/r, 70/70. 1ov , 2 dist -cut 80hz, - over16k to 0 3ov, 4 dist - some magic with +/- 850/2k/4k. And some reverb, hall and delay. And.... Almost every guitar sounds like phat and solid mix sound. I think the same to bass guit. 1 - cut Everything over 80hz 2 - only mid 800 3 - only 2. 5khz / 4k 4 - cut over 16k 🤔
@Jacob Joyce DI stands for Direct In. Its a box that you plug your instrument into and it goes directly to your recording set-up as opposed to when you mic an amp and record the output of the amplifier.
Direct input. For basses it's usually a DI box in the form of a pedal, like a tech 21 sans amp or Radial, but some amps also have DI outputs that allow you to plug directly into the board instead of relying only on a mic'd up bass sound. Bass amps aren't the easiest things to mic up and get a good sound, but going DI is a quick and easy way to get a really solid sound very quickly.
Well, he talks about a "super fat mix" but I found the mix to be pretty weak and absolutely not "fat" - and I listen with studio head phones! Listen to John Mayer records and you know what a real fat bass mix is.
Shit! You wanna hear an example of Joe creating one of the fattest bass tones ever put down on tape? Just listen to the monster bass grooves on Melvin's "Stoner witch" or Kyuss "Blues for the red sun" + "And the circus leaves town" with your fancy headphones. Then recognize .......
Haha, "John Mayer"? Not even a close comparison because you're comparing two different things. Mayer's mixes have a LOT less parts and instrumentation. It's a lot less notes and everything.
@@nicoguarini28 The mix for Kyuss' "Stoner Witch" has no dynamics what so ever it is just a huge mess of low frequencies, because there is no clear cut between the bass and Josh's low neck pickup guitar sound played through a bass amp. And the two channeled bass doen't help it. I love the band and the record but on most end user systems that don't allow for EQ, it is a boomy mess to listen to if you're into mixing and recording.
5:47
Lo Air is one of my new discoveries “...
That’s what I love about music and sound engineerings.... it’s an endless learning and experimenting game !!!
Wish I had access to a guy like him to help me out... having to do everything by myself is really hard. Writing music is one thing but mixing and turning it into something coherent is a totally different ball game.
Dropdead Gaming ...May I help you? Doing recordings by my own since 10 years. Maybe we can connect ourselves together ? Let me know
@@NastyCockRoach sure, why not. I'll take whatever help I can get. facebook.com/electronichaos ... you can reach me there.
How is the team up going
@@zyslug7503 what team up ? does that answer your question ?
@@DropdeadGamingLive the other guy offered help so I was wondering how things went in the couple months am always trying to hear new music
It got some (h)air on it... unlike me. GENIUS!
I knew this would be the top comment as soon as I heard him say it! lol
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I snagged this album because of these tutorials... this band was SO FAR ahead of their time! Killer album, and great advice from Joe! Thanks Waves!
This guy is not only amazing at what he does he is AWESOME at explaining it
It's called being a good teacher.
Joe is the man. I could listen to this guy talk all day.
totally
Love this video. I just finished a song and needed to pull the bass out a little bit to make more clear and adding a distorted track on it really brought out the picking with the original track still making me able to feel it. Great idea and an easy fix
I love these video's, Joe is such a cool guy
Some slight dirt on the bass is almost always great sounding in my experience. With my one band that tried recording a demo in our drummer's basement I would split my signal to a DI and a Big Muff and run the thru output on the DI box to my amp. I'd use the Big Muff pretty heavily in choruses, which fit our style, and in quieter sections I'd only use the fuzz as a very very subtle color with my DI and amp sound.
Love those psycho acoustic effects. Thanks for the great tips Joe.
Love your vids Joe. Awesome tips and really is the backbone of my recent leaps forward in getting my guitar/bass sitting in a mix where they should. Thanks for the shares.
You da man Joe! Tools last CD was the best sounding CD I have ever heard!
Thanks for this, Joe. Really great stuff.
I remember that I used to use the Barresi Evil Drums expansion for Superior Drummer 2 years ago when I first started out. That library sounded excellent! I stopped using it when they updated to Superior Drummer 3 and it didn't work longer. I don't even know if I still have the license somewhere or not, but I'd love to give it a spin again.
really well explained Thanks so much Joe !
Great demo! Very informative and concise! Thanks.
He is the MAN.
thank you Joe great examples great sound that low air
Awesome! thanks man. think I have been in a rut just using my tube pre then post side into a multi band then into a comp. oddly almost always find myslelf reducing low end? maybe its the old sylvania tube doing its job. cant wait to try some reamping! thanks for vid
I wish he used one of Tool's on progres album tunes for the demostration...
Excellent explanation and really good advice coming from a pro.
Cheers!
coolest wave guy! more vids!
this is amazing and exzachary what i needed
Great video man. I play in local bands and have recorded with a bunch of different producers that are pretty much guitarists moonlighting as engineers. They throw me on 1 DI track with a god awful EQ and too much distortion. I'll sound fine when I'm playing along with the guitars on the E string, but the moment I move out of that range, everything goes completely south. It completely discourages me from writing any fills or intricate basslines. Good to see this video though from a person who very much knows what they're doing. At least 2 tracks will definitely be my standard going forward or nobody's getting paid :)
Always loved the term moonlighting !!!
Thanks for the great tips
hey, I have no idea what youre saying im new to recording but im sure if I hear these words and continue to do some research on how to record my bass im sure ill eventually figure it out lol thanks for the info.
Dammit, just bought LoAir because of this, which of course was their intention.. I've no-one to blame but myself..haha.. Great tut/video BTW..
yo steve, have you used loair much since you bought it??
@@TheLeon1032 Ive had it for a couple years dude and I love using it when I feel the situation calls for it. id say about 70 percent of the time it winds up on a bass gtr layer/kick drum-808- layer/or even my mix buss and its great man! get it if you're thinking you'd put it to good use you will not regret it! its shockingly good on the mixbuss I had no idea that it cou;ld be a thing. also not a very costly plugin so less chance of buyers remorse. cheers dude.
@@JJofCascadia huge thanks for the reply man, really interesting to hear it works on a mixbus, I'm gonna get it as a 40th bday present to myself next month, thanks again for the answer))
I prefer the brainworx_subsynth. They’re both pretty good subharmonic synths, but you can do a little more with the BX
Good video
I've watched guitar examples and this, and what I noticed is he never takes volume increase into account once he starts changing something. I don't know, maybe it's only for video but it's hard to judge the real result without matching volume.
J Breezy, thanx man !
awesome
Awsome info!!!!
what DI is being used?!
thank you Dad
Cool!!
Would the bass sound on Stadium Arcadium come from 4 different bass inputs?
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Hi Joe , i want to practice some itunes songs imported to pro tools , how i eliminate the bass to practice the song ? thanks
It actually depressed me for a second. I literally couldn't find any other channels except Warren Huart covering this topic. Every. Single. Video. Is about programmed bass.
What if you double tracked the bass guitar, have one track clean, the other distorted and blend them together?
No rules, do what you want. Double-tracking bass guitar has a lot of problems in the mixing stage for a standard rock/metal mix.
In a normal time world One could have one microphone and a screen to record live to have all the possibilities of sound available. Technology would know how you want it to sound and mix perfectly.
That would be pretty boring I think. Not to mention putting a lot of people out of work. Personally I don't want to live in a completely AI'd world.
@@patkelly8309 you will own nothing and be happy
@@tobiasjone I already own nothing and I'm happy
This mindset is called "valuing nothing".
Wow! Makes me very glad I am not engineering and producing anymore!
I love his voice, so ASMR lol
так можно blood overdrive во фруктах за 5 сек сделать..и продублировать партию сабом с помощью trilian к примеру.
Fear inoculum! If you haven't listened to it... you need to check it out
ıt has a corelation between di and bass amp .di interferes the bass amp .(phase cancellation )If you change the phase of di you can achieve fat and clear bass guitar sound.
Can you dup 3 di tracks with 3 different amp sims and blend? Do you eq and compress after the amp sim? Thx!
I was wondering the same thing 🤔
1:29 what got some hair on it means? can somebody explain?
He means a little grit, a small amount of distortion when you play hard, but not super distorted
thanks david, really appreciated! :)
da MAN !!
For years I wondered why Pro Tools sessions in tutorials have so many tracks. Different takes? No, that's what Playlists are for. Layering multiple performances? Not usually. Apparently they're just running the exact same track through 4 different effects chains! Not my preference, but whatever floats your boat.
A lot of times it is separate tracks. The problem with copy and paste is that there is no deviation and even after 4 tracks it still sounds thin. So separate tracks really thicken the sound because of the little deviations
You specifically split track bass in order to process it in different ways. It's more common with that instrument. The idea of separate bass performances is unorthodox by comparison, because you'd have to sync it perfectly and the different textures would over complicate it. Doubling is good for melodic instruments; guitar, vocals, orchestral sections. But for your rhythm section, when you want density, split processing is king. Saturate your bass, crush your drums.
So... I always record ov/dist guitar in that 4 track way.
L/r, 70/70.
1ov , 2 dist -cut 80hz, - over16k to 0
3ov, 4 dist - some magic with +/- 850/2k/4k.
And some reverb, hall and delay.
And.... Almost every guitar sounds like phat and solid mix sound.
I think the same to bass guit.
1 - cut Everything over 80hz
2 - only mid 800
3 - only 2. 5khz / 4k
4 - cut over 16k
🤔
is the di---> amp---> output applicable in a live situation. Will it work?
Of course. If you have the channels available, and the extra time to blend them, you can use this concept for live sound.
@@gabejohnston1556 ok thanks
ZICO CHAIN.
If you got the space, lay three tracks of bass.
low, mids, and high?
I've seen Buster split it low, clean, and grit
I use two, one DI and one from the amp.
What is a DI
@Jacob Joyce DI stands for Direct In. Its a box that you plug your instrument into and it goes directly to your recording set-up as opposed to when you mic an amp and record the output of the amplifier.
What fader board is he using?
Digidesign Command 8
Wow yeahhhaaaaaahhaaa!!
He reminds me Hank from Breaking Bad
Never cared for distorted bass and never will.
Never cared about what you care for 🤷🏻♂️
@devolucionario cool, you have an opinion like I do.
Phase switch? He must mean polarity switch to find out if its out of phase.
Same thing man.
This Lexicon 480 on Joe’s console looks like calculator on accountant’s desk! ;)
It's just a phase...
And the final result? He will use only one take with the saturation 😂
what is DI?
Direct input. For basses it's usually a DI box in the form of a pedal, like a tech 21 sans amp or Radial, but some amps also have DI outputs that allow you to plug directly into the board instead of relying only on a mic'd up bass sound. Bass amps aren't the easiest things to mic up and get a good sound, but going DI is a quick and easy way to get a really solid sound very quickly.
Direct Injection*
direct imput
Are 4 bass tracks really necessary? Seems like total overkill.
Cool, let's hear your mixes so we can compare your bass sound to his. That way we will know if you're right.
unlike me ... trolololol
Well, he talks about a "super fat mix" but I found the mix to be pretty weak and absolutely not "fat" - and I listen with studio head phones! Listen to John Mayer records and you know what a real fat bass mix is.
well, dont be too harsh, he's an old school dude, mixing has advanced a lot since the nineties
Shit! You wanna hear an example of Joe creating one of the fattest bass tones ever put down on tape? Just listen to the monster bass grooves on Melvin's "Stoner witch" or Kyuss "Blues for the red sun" + "And the circus leaves town" with your fancy headphones. Then recognize .......
@@nicoguarini28 some of my favourite albums for sure… some people have a hard time grasping the notion of subjectivity and context.
Haha, "John Mayer"? Not even a close comparison because you're comparing two different things. Mayer's mixes have a LOT less parts and instrumentation. It's a lot less notes and everything.
@@nicoguarini28 The mix for Kyuss' "Stoner Witch" has no dynamics what so ever it is just a huge mess of low frequencies, because there is no clear cut between the bass and Josh's low neck pickup guitar sound played through a bass amp. And the two channeled bass doen't help it. I love the band and the record but on most end user systems that don't allow for EQ, it is a boomy mess to listen to if you're into mixing and recording.
R bass and max bass suck. Terrible algorithms.
Phase issues? Dude just use amp sims. Absolutely no reason for the process mentioned here.
😂😂😂
If only he’d thought of that, then he’d be where you are!
@charliestubbs6151 much faster way to get the same sound... do the long way if ya want. Time is money.
@@charliestubbs6151 exactly! Weird thing is, you can get phase issues with amp sims. Funny how amos always critique the wrong people.