You said it sharivari, and I agree. The key with this shot is to ALWAYS bounce off the bottom rail because the position zone essentially doubles in size. If you get too thin on the 8 ball, the 3-4 rail shot is always available for the last shot. Which people just need to get comfortable with.
I agree with You Sharivari!...I'm not good enough to monkey around with a lot of inside spin. I try to use the natural angle as much as poss....I'm going to have my wife watch this since she knows very little about spin...it should confuse her enough that I can win more games against her...hehe...
Many times I'll watch a video of a match between really good players and try to anticipate where they'll leave the cue ball and how they'll do it. I'm probably right about 80% to 90% of the time. Sometimes, though, someone will play a shot completely differently than I thought they would, and those are the shots I try to learn from.
More of these please. In a meaningful game, I agree always play the shot you’re comfortable with now, but for the long term, you have to choose the simpler, more reproducible shots when possible (know that inside English shot in case of traffic)
Your friend's choice is correct. Easy to pocket the ball and after hitting the second rail, the cue ball heads naturally toward the target and along the shot line.
Wow, your videos are fantastic! The lighting, camera angles, and graphics are all impressive. You are truly talented in this field. Big thumbs up from me!
I’ve shot that shot all three ways at least 100 thousand times! And I have found every way to screw it up. I’ve found that the only right way to shoot any shot is with total dedication to the way you choose. Any mistakes come from not having total commitment with the way your shooting the shot. Efren Reyes stated to us a long time ago, “ you don’t bend over until you’re positive on how to shoot the shot”. And then forget everything else.
That works on old cloth. New cloth slides, so the low right doesn't grab enough. For me it would still be a hair too much angle / the object ball too close to the short rail. But just a slight difference in ball position, and your shot is the best choice.
In all honesty, i would probably go inside.. but id do a lot more inside and hit it much firmer to go 3 rails (short/ball, top long rail, bottom long rail between 8 and 9) easier to do a confidence stroke 😅
Play with what is more comfortable for you. If you have to play a shot that you are not comfortable then it is not the right shot. but if you are truly skilled, then either shot should pose a problem for you. That being said, adding English does make it harder for the shot but if you are skilled at it it shouldn't be a problem therefore for a professional player is always good to challenge yourself. :D
What would be the initial angle between the cb and 7 ball to have it exactly go perpendicular to the long rail when no spin is applied? Is it 60 degrees? I am having trouble calculating this before I can judge the best option
That's only true when it's a very thin cut with a ball on the rail... where you would slightly hit the rail first and the inside spin would come into the object ball, making it easier to pot. On regular cut shots like the one in this video, outside spin makes it easier to pot because you can hit the object ball first and the spin will help throw the object ball towards the pocket (and not push into the rail) with transferred running English, helping it slide along the rail
There should be NO DOUBT that with the main shot shown going up and down, with a slight bit of right hand english, is the way to go. I realize it depends on the person shooting but I can close to 100% guarantee that if you took 1000 players and had them hit each shot 100 times - the slight right hand english going up and down and hitting the rail would be the successful shot the vast majority of the time.
Stuff like this is the reason your a short-stop. Their is only 1 best shot in every scenario. Using that shot in every spot, makes running the racks you are supposed to run, more consistent.
I picked 1 but either way I took something with me from this video. I need to start calculating how big my target zone is and how long my cue ball can travel through it. I always try to come in line to achieve this but I need to pay attention more.
Always take the option YOU are most comfortable with. Different players will have different comfort levels with a given shot. Personally, I would not do it the way Chua did because the 2 rail method nearly snookered you. I routinely attack balls frozen to the rail even though my opponents tell me I'm crazy. Why do I do that? Because I cut my teeth on that shot, and I'm very comfortable with it. There is no one size fits all decision tree in pool.
I agree with your initial thought most of the time but in this situation the simplest shot is the best and gives you the best chance at a leave and that’s just hit the bottom rail.
Shiv your videos are simply the BEST nobody else is close. I love how you show all options and everything that might happen. I have been a huge fan going back years when you had one camera and no way to show English
? Slight high.. no throw to worry about... ball to 3/2 diamond. ? Easily controlled shot. ( worse outcome- lands on the rail) odds it straight in very low... my thoughts watching. Right or wrong? Im no expert that's for sure! But the less you try to control a shot, the better the outcome with natraul roll.
5:14 This long rail double bank shot happens to me quite often (accidentally) when I actually aim for one rail bank shot ... so, did he play it on purpose or was it just a coincidence where he went for one rail bank shot but accidentally made it, captured by cam lol 😆
What's your favorite option? ⬇
What if you use high ball...you will always touch the rail above the side pocket and it slows down the cue ball
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There all good tho
I would always, as my 1st option, use center/right.
I will get the biggest piece of the cue, a huge part of solid hits.
You said it sharivari, and I agree. The key with this shot is to ALWAYS bounce off the bottom rail because the position zone essentially doubles in size. If you get too thin on the 8 ball, the 3-4 rail shot is always available for the last shot. Which people just need to get comfortable with.
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Loved this video! The breakdown of options and seeing the variables first hand.
Bring more of these! It's real beneficial to all competitive players
Thanks! Will do!
I really like this video format. Can you please do more of these? I like to know if my thought process is correct.
More of this, this is great stuff
I agree with Sharivari 1000%. I play this shot all the time.
I agree with You Sharivari!...I'm not good enough to monkey around with a lot of inside spin. I try to use the natural angle as much as poss....I'm going to have my wife watch this since she knows very little about spin...it should confuse her enough that I can win more games against her...hehe...
I tend to agree that the only right shot is the one that makes the shooter feel confident.
With the original shot I would always shoot the shot with just a touch of outside spin and play it hard enough to come off the 2nd rail.
Many times I'll watch a video of a match between really good players and try to anticipate where they'll leave the cue ball and how they'll do it. I'm probably right about 80% to 90% of the time.
Sometimes, though, someone will play a shot completely differently than I thought they would, and those are the shots I try to learn from.
More of these please. In a meaningful game, I agree always play the shot you’re comfortable with now, but for the long term, you have to choose the simpler, more reproducible shots when possible (know that inside English shot in case of traffic)
Your friend's choice is correct. Easy to pocket the ball and after hitting the second rail, the cue ball heads naturally toward the target and along the shot line.
Wow, your videos are fantastic! The lighting, camera angles, and graphics are all impressive. You are truly talented in this field. Big thumbs up from me!
Thank you so much 😀
Thanks to videos like yours, turns out I "Do You Already Play Position Like a Pro"
I’ve shot that shot all three ways at least 100 thousand times!
And I have found every way to screw it up. I’ve found that the only right way to shoot any shot is with total dedication to the way you choose.
Any mistakes come from not having total commitment with the way your shooting the shot.
Efren Reyes stated to us a long time ago, “ you don’t bend over until you’re positive on how to shoot the shot”. And then forget everything else.
In Chua's shot the seven ball was more off the cushion. His choice is the best.
Great tactical video!
I think the Shot with 2 rails ist very comfortable.
I was thinking three rails using bottom right spin. With a confident stroke you should be able to get into the target zone
That works on old cloth. New cloth slides, so the low right doesn't grab enough. For me it would still be a hair too much angle / the object ball too close to the short rail. But just a slight difference in ball position, and your shot is the best choice.
In all honesty, i would probably go inside.. but id do a lot more inside and hit it much firmer to go 3 rails (short/ball, top long rail, bottom long rail between 8 and 9) easier to do a confidence stroke 😅
Play with what is more comfortable for you. If you have to play a shot that you are not comfortable then it is not the right shot. but if you are truly skilled, then either shot should pose a problem for you. That being said, adding English does make it harder for the shot but if you are skilled at it it shouldn't be a problem therefore for a professional player is always good to challenge yourself. :D
Great teaching video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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I find the terminology of inside and outside spin confusing. Maybe running side vs check side ?
What would be the initial angle between the cb and 7 ball to have it exactly go perpendicular to the long rail when no spin is applied? Is it 60 degrees? I am having trouble calculating this before I can judge the best option
I'm confused...wouldn't inside spin in this case make making the shot easier?
That was my thought, only top or under hitting would cause a major issue
Only of the ball is frozen to the rail, which it isn't here.
That's only true when it's a very thin cut with a ball on the rail... where you would slightly hit the rail first and the inside spin would come into the object ball, making it easier to pot. On regular cut shots like the one in this video, outside spin makes it easier to pot because you can hit the object ball first and the spin will help throw the object ball towards the pocket (and not push into the rail) with transferred running English, helping it slide along the rail
I haven't been this early in a while
There should be NO DOUBT that with the main shot shown going up and down, with a slight bit of right hand english, is the way to go. I realize it depends on the person shooting but I can close to 100% guarantee that if you took 1000 players and had them hit each shot 100 times - the slight right hand english going up and down and hitting the rail would be the successful shot the vast majority of the time.
#1...hate using one rail..easier to control speed for me with 2 rails
Stuff like this is the reason your a short-stop. Their is only 1 best shot in every scenario. Using that shot in every spot, makes running the racks you are supposed to run, more consistent.
0:57 neither. I’m going gangster with a hard bottom right because nobody expects that shit.
I picked 1 but either way I took something with me from this video. I need to start calculating how big my target zone is and how long my cue ball can travel through it. I always try to come in line to achieve this but I need to pay attention more.
Always take the option YOU are most comfortable with. Different players will have different comfort levels with a given shot. Personally, I would not do it the way Chua did because the 2 rail method nearly snookered you. I routinely attack balls frozen to the rail even though my opponents tell me I'm crazy. Why do I do that? Because I cut my teeth on that shot, and I'm very comfortable with it. There is no one size fits all decision tree in pool.
I agree with your initial thought most of the time but in this situation the simplest shot is the best and gives you the best chance at a leave and that’s just hit the bottom rail.
Shiv your videos are simply the BEST nobody else is close. I love how you show all options and everything that might happen. I have been a huge fan going back years when you had one camera and no way to show English
I'm just trying to make the shot first and pray i can see the 8 after
? Slight high.. no throw to worry about... ball to 3/2 diamond. ? Easily controlled shot. ( worse outcome- lands on the rail) odds it straight in very low... my thoughts watching. Right or wrong? Im no expert that's for sure! But the less you try to control a shot, the better the outcome with natraul roll.
5:14 This long rail double bank shot happens to me quite often (accidentally) when I actually aim for one rail bank shot ... so, did he play it on purpose or was it just a coincidence where he went for one rail bank shot but accidentally made it, captured by cam lol 😆
I'll keep that as my little secret 😜
Made a video of it = you had the last word 😂
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1 rail shot
Sharivari, you have to STOP trying to teach people to be scared of using inside spin. Please.
If your friend think he was right then he will never be a champion at any tourney.
Have you ever played on rassons? Their rails bounce more so Chua’s decision to go 2 rails isnt so bad.
Yes and yes.