Aside from the disparities in low-end and high-end, DX7 has that warm feeling you won't get from the Reface, but the Reface definitely has some pretty crunchy pads that the DX7 sort of smooths over. If I had the disposable income I'd totally invest in both and overdub them.
Not a DX7 but a DX7mkII. Big difference. The DX7 can play 16 notes at the same time, and so can the DX7mkII, but it can also can layer two tones and play 8 notes at a time for a thicker, warmer sound. I wonder if that's what's going on here? I love the DX7mkII. One of my favorite synths ever.
The Reface clearly has less bottom end in this video. But more highs. Also the DX7 seems to be recorded louder. And there seems to be a small distortion on the louder dynamic sounds? I dont know if this happened in the recording process or is DX7 inherent. I think it would be good for objectivity to be careful about different levels. louder is always percieved better.
+Marco Zoppi this is true. the dx7 naturally, has more noise. to the other comments: why not own both if you can afford to? the rf has too many advantages to get into here.
hmm...yes the gain is lower on the reface, however, there are distinct differences in the harmonics. it's more evident in the sy the lead patches as opposed to the acoustic modeled ones. Also, the filter seems to be different between these lead patches...I didn't read the description., but I'm assuming this is factory preset comparisons. if so, the difference is quite pronounced.
I think many of you are missing the point. This is not supposed to be a replacement for a DX7 but an "accessible" FM synth in it's own right. For a start it's a 4 OP FM synth so a fairer comparison if you were to make one would be against a DX100 or DX11. It's incredibly easy to program sounds on the reface dx, unlike most FM synths and of course once Soundmondo goes live on Sept 1st there will be a whole world of sounds to share amongst users. Also don't knock those built in speakers. I was doubtful myself but they are actually very good. I have tried the dx with batteries also and it's a lot of fun to be able to go mobile with one of these things. As for the pricing, well yes that may be an issue. I have all four reface keyboards here at the moment and the dx is definitely the best value out of the four. It's the most versatile but is it worth the asking price? Not sure yet. It's certainly well built and has quite a weighty feel to it. I'm not a fan of mini keys but the keybeds in the reface series are at least good quality and don't feel in any way "toy like". Street price when they hit the stores here in the UK is £289. I'm thinking were that more like £189 I might be tempted. If you need any more info on any of the reface models just ask. I should have them here for another couple of weeks before they go back to Yamaha.
+yamahaforums the reason the Reface DX sounds worse than the DX7 isn't because of differently programmed sounds. It's simply because of lacking characteristics in every way. The DX7 has a character and soul of his own, while the Reface DX sounds as exciting as any other ever so average software synth. Very underwhelming. If I wanted the sound the Reface offers I'd just go back to using random plugins instead and get more exciting results from them.
+Goth108 Again you missed the point. The reface dx is an instrument in it's own right. It was never intended to compare with the DX7 so why keep making comparisons with it. The reface dx sounds exactly as it was meant to sound. All instruments are what you make of them. It's the musician that counts and if you can't make decent music on a reface then your not a musician.
yamahaforums so you're trying to say that the DX7 sounds more charming because it was meant to sound more charming? And the Reface DX sounds like a software plugin because it was meant to be without character? I don't think either is true, but whatever.
DX7 has a warmer frequency almost rich analog sound, the Reface has cleaner more EQ'd tone. I love the DX7 because of the richness, but in modern music and production the Reface might be easier to record and produce sounds with minimal EQing. also I didn't really see him move the octaves on the Reface so I don't think it was given a fair chance to hear every sound side by side, although in some instances I did find that some sounds were better. personally I'm a fan on the DX7 for the rich 80's nostalgic sound.
Cuando salió el DX7, todos se quejaban y deseaban que sonara mas limpio y claro. Ahora que suena perfecto, como siempre quisimos, echamos de menos la mugre y el ruido.
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Lol lol lol, así es. Creo que las nuevas generaciones están acostumbradas a escuchar todo más limpio, con menos ruido.
Wow, the original dx7 has so much more warmth! For me it's a easy win, especially because the price difference between the reface and the original isn't that big. sometimes you can get a dx7 cheaper than the reface!
There is no original DX7 in the video. I'ts DX7IID, it have 16bit DA converters instead of 12bit like in original DX7 or another 1st generation FM synths like DX1, DX5, DX21, DX27 etc.
Reface sam w sobie brzmi przyjemnie, ale gdy się go zestawi z oryginałem, to jest jak noc przy dniu... Dziękuję, Panowie, za porównanie - wiele rozjaśnia :) Pozdrawiam!
Nice comparison. I programmed the 4 operator TX81Z and the V50 extensively, and the Reface has two major advantages: a dual effects section, and selectable pitch envelope for the 4 operators. There's also a little MIDI phrase sequencer too. It lacks memory (32 patches, including the factory sounds), and it is expensive, but it is fun to program, and the sounds are extraordinary.
Both of these synths sound amazing and have a unique flavor that'll suite different people. What I didn't like about this comparison is the volume differences (The brain normally perceives louder as better). The dx7 was definitely a lot louder than the reface.
Shoe Smoothie you can change that by connecting the Reface to a Midi interface and using and amplifier plugin on a Daw program. In that way you can make it sound louder and even better you can use more plug-ins to adapt the sound of the Reface to what you want. The Reface never meant to be what the DX7 was, rather a more accesible FM Synth. For example, I like more small synths because I don't play live. If I want an FM Synth I wouldn't go for the "legendary and way better" DX7, I would go for a more accesible instrument. Also, I've found a great trick for those weird touch faders. You can use a Korg Nano Control (or something similar) and connect it with the Reface so you can use the faders of the Nano Control. There's a video about that. Anyways, I hope I could help you
If im not in mistake the reface is a 4 operators and 8 algorithms synth versus the 6 op and 32 algorithms of the DX7. From another sight the reface has an integrated fx module
I bought one of the firsts DX7 when it came out and at these times a lot of people said it was a bad instrument compared to analog ones (well... I think a bit the same today!). Anyway, it became a "good old vintage" synth, I think it has its own interesting sound, and I still have one (first issue). You can say new technology can't be compared to ancient one, but talking about "copies" you can see some differences, and most of the time it's desapointing even if the recent technology is easier to use (but you can also edit an old DX with a computer). In this demo some sounds are not programmed (made) the same way on the Reface as on the original DX7, so it's hard to really compare.
If the Reface DX were priced at $249 instead of $500, it would be totally worth it -- especially if you don't have any other FM synths in your rig. But at its current price, no way. I mean, for Yamaha to ask that much for each of the Reface models is almost preposterous.
Markus Arike How do I figure? I figure because Yamaha has had this technology available to it since the early '80s. The DX is a 4-operator FM synthesizer with minikeys and built-in speakers. It's essentially a Yamaha PSS-470 from 1987.
Markus Arike "Did anyone ask your opinion here?" - It's a public video, on a public website, I don't need anyone's permission to comment. "You've been going around all the Reface videos, calling them toys." - No, not really, I think I've made all of four or five comments at most, on one or two videos. "Nobody gives a fuck about your trolling bs." - You seem to since you took the time to compose your mature, well thought out reply.
Markus Arike "you replied to me, for some inexplicable reason."- You mean the way you replied to schepler2 without him asking *your* opinion? Last checked it's a UA-cam is a public site. I am thinking it's you who are trolling, and needs to fuck off.
Am I the only one who likes the reface DX? I think it sounds great. It does the aggressive thing better than the DX7 for sure, since you get 4 feedbacks instead of 1, but it does the mellow thing really very good indeed, and with only 4 ops instead of 6. The pitch stick is one of the best I've ever used and you've got to remember the DX7 cost $2 000 back in 1983. Adjusing for inflation that would be $4 800 in todays money. The DX7 has no effects unlike the reface with 2x7 effects. Built-in speakers and a smaller footprint means that you can take it literally anywhere and program sounds and come up with ideas on the fly. Take it to the picnic or the office, play during lunch breaks... And the Soundmondo web-midi means you get a nearly endless supply of new sounds, and you can share your own if you like. Need the mallet sound for Toto's africa? No prob. Michael Jackson bass? No prob. It doesn't have a mod wheel or expression pedal input, sure. But it DOES recieve modulation wheel and expression data over MIDI (CC# 1, 7, 11). The on-the-fly timbre change with feedback on ALL 4 operators (only 1 on the DX7) is UNIQUE to this instrument. Add to that the ability to change the level and frequency of the operators using the same method and you get some great controls over the sound for live performances. Try to see some of its STRENGTHS, not just the drawbacks. I really urge you all to try one out yourselves for at least an hour. It sounds really fresh, new and modern. The DX7 is a bit dark and stuck in the 80's, whereas the Reface does both eras good. But everybody is of course entitled to their own opinion. Also, have you ever heard the factory presets on the DX7? This is leagues upon leagues better, I think the reface is capable of a much wider sonic pallette than the dark/super-bright nasal quality of a lot of DX7 sounds. Also the instrument in this video is a DX7-IID which is Bi-Timbral. Not a fair comparison at all... That piano sound probably uses 12 operators.
The original Dx7 is actually being sold for less than the Reface nowadays. Reverb has the original Dx7 at $250 and the Reface DX at $400. For that price I’m going for the Dx7.
There is definitely some discrepancies in the recordingwith what @saftpackerl was saying, but I think the ease of programming on the Reface vs programming on the DX7 is also a big thing not being addressed here. This wasn't designed to "replace" the DX7 it's a totally different synth. Being able to sit and control the individual operators on the fly the Reface is really appealing. Granted there are ways of altering DX7 patches with an iPad and a bunch of crazy 3rd party software, but that adds a cost of an iPad to the mix. There is just a lot more tactility to the reface that makes it more "fun" and a lot less of an everest to climb in order to get your own sounds.
There's definitely a learning curve with learning to program the DX7. But most of that is learning FM Synthesis itself. You don't need software to program the DX7, once you get the hang of it, the front panel is easier than any software out there.
You would have to layer the DX Reface by having maybe two of them to get the warm of the dx7 or get an Eventide H9 and use so if their modulators and filter the sound to until becomes more warm.
The original DX7 wins for me,it has more warmth and bigger sound. Even with my eyes closed the DX7 still wins. Once in a while a company makes a product thats very hard to beat,even with modern technology and i think this is a case of that
Not a good comparison when two instruments were recorded in different volume. Reface is modern, clear, cold while original sounds warm, dull. Unless you are exactly trying to replicate 80's, reface could be a good option.
2:48 made my eyebrows leap off my forehead. The Reface with filters is very nice! I'm also a fan of these mini-keyboards in general because I'm more interested in a number of MIDI controllers which provide more options for range, key-weight and features vs being locked-in to one style by the manufacturer - while still having something that's playable on the go vs a boutique module with no keys. Plus the DX and CS provide a nice range of digital and analog sounds for a nice low price-point, with massive space savings. I drool at the people on youtube that have a wall of keyboards in their home-studio, but I just don't have the space!
Thank you for the video. That's a DX7 mkii you're using. I'd be curious how an original DX7 would compare. Guessing the reface is trying to emulate the original?
Dx7 just has more character in the sound.i know the reface is fairly easy to edit the sounds as I played with it at the local music store. I’ve never tried editing on the Dx7 which I hear is a pain in the ass . I’m bit lost on which one to purchase,
For who never playing original DX, reface DX and PSR S series become good for me... I wanted this reface DX so bad... Hoping can purchasing this model one day... PSR S have ridicolous for me... 😢
The comparison is not fair as the patches are clearly different. I'm a great fan of DX7, but I think the Reface DX is a good synth in its own right, having feedback on all operators and additional waveforms. It is much more modern, cleaner sounding and this is useful, too. It doesn't have the weight and as much acoustic, 3D character as DX7 does, though. It won't replace my DX7, ever, but it might be a cool portable alternative for live use.
I think we just need All to stop comparing and make love...but more seriously I have a dx7 mk1 and I think the reface is a awesome piece of equipment to travel with especially for the price. I own a reface cs and also have a AN1x which is also a Va. but the CS can go to other places the AN1x can’t go and vice versa...I think it works the same for the dx7 and the reface Dx...you can’t go wrong choosing a dx7 and you can’t go wrong choosing a reface Dx...I actually wanted to get one just for the fun...
The DX7 definitely sounds like it has a lot more low end going on, that may be tricking your ears a bit as the Reface seems to be more prominent in the higher end frequencies, but also much thinner sounding as a result.
I suggest the Keeley Dyno My Roto for a fantastic that can go thick and syrupy, a very realistic rotary speaker, and great flanger that can do whooshy or even pukey sounds.
Very helpful, thank you! The Reface is truly amazing being that it is 4 operator. The DX7's 6 operators do make a difference but I don't remember the 80s 4 op synths being like the Reface, particularly the Electric Piano!!!
The thing is that 2 additional operator worked in layer way. This means that 4 operator could sound like 6 operator in similar algorithm with bit of resonance. Synths or OPN from 80s doesn't have resonance feature.
The 4 operators on the Reface DX are all capable of feed-backing to themselves. Out of the 6 operators only one operator can feed-back to itself in the DX7, which means that the Reface is capable of a much more complex sound design. People only look at the specs and take them at face value, missing this critical detail.
Unfair comparison, they’re both DXs but not the same. I love my Reface and concede to the gorgeous sounds of the DX7. But I love my user friendly and very mobile Reface. For the price I got it for it was very worth it.
DX should be compared to dx100, not dx7. It is a fun keyboard in its own right, I messed with it in store and wouldn't mind having one, but at $500 it's too much for what you get.
Here's my solution, as someone who loves the DX-7. Buy an original one on craigslist, but torrent / buy FM8 and run a bunch of DX-7 Patches with your computer first. I have an MS-20 mini, which i like because it's 1) cheaper than an old ms-20 and 2) it sounds very similar if not idential to the original. I love the form and idea of the reface keyboards, and the looping / effects are great for musicians without a ton of gear / software, but you can get an original DX-7 with 2 more modulation points and a full size synth keyboard for about $300 easily on CL/ebay.
What's the use of the lower body, the soul is not the same ? The components not evolved to the point of doing the same and with the same sound quality that was done before? Evolve to regress? The old Dx7 is the awesome yet, after 30 years!
Tried it today and liked it vääääääry much, wonderfull to edit! Sounds cleaner than the dx100, less like a toy also. Even though i like the crunchy sound of dx100.. Have to buy this one. Anyone know if it's a lot of work installing a modwheel? Hehe : D feels like it would be...
I think the sound of the DX7 is much more powerful for both Dynamics for the Sounds . Even the nuance of the sound is richer and more expressive , and I do not think it is due to the overall volume incision but just the quality of the sound generation as well as to the internal components of the audio outputs of the same .
The sound of the reface is really fantastic. In the recording it has less volume and has a little less harmonics, I imagine by the lack of those two operators, I do not know, but with the effects it is much improved. With the reface dx you can edit the sound more easy even at real time with the dx7 is not possible. -The reface has include effects, dx7 no-. Are diferents keyboards style; portability and fun vs more voices and complete keyboard. I think that in this video the audio capture of the reface is not at the same level as the dx7. To be more exacts, It should have been compared to a four-operator fm synth not with the dx7.
I wouldn't compare it to a DX 7 as the 6 operators have more combos different capabilities. Compare it to a DX 9,21,27 or 100 with 4 operators and I think the Reface exceeds their sound palette by having feedback on each operator. Reface sounds like an FM synth and capable of some incredible sounds on it's own. The Reface only has 8 voice polyphony, and I wish it had at 16, but compared to the original Roland Boutiques with only 4 voices, it's better for full chords at least.
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how diffixult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
The EP sounds better on the DX7, but the reface I’d much easier and fun to program. So, unless you’re into Whitney Houston covers, the reface is a better option. It can sound warm and analog if you program it to do so. As for the older DXs, my favorite is the 11.
the el.pianos sound much better ,fuller and warmer on the DX,on DX7 they sound sterile and 8 bit like(I know its 12bit dac ,but you got my point,just sounds grainy)
I agree, the original DX7 are one of the best 'pure' synths of all time. I have the DX7 MK1, and it can produce amazing analog-like fat sounds as well as breathtaking strings, brass etc. Long live the DX7!
The reface dx isn't really meant as a reissue of the DX7, more like of a DX100 or DX27 because it only has 4 operators, but with added functionality and improved interface
Please note that this guy is not playing the DX7, but the DX7 IID. The IID is an improved version of the DX7 which is said to make a more clear/less noisy sound.
Notice that in this example it ain't even about analog vs. digital recreation and the original still sounds warmer, rounder and fuller (I listened from my smartphone speakers). So what is it actually about when it comes to not as good new recreations of old classics?
Pretty much although the DX-21 had 8 algorithms while this has 12. So it's a little fuller. And with extra effects I'm getting bi-timberal sounds - although I could be wrong.
DX7 sounds a lot better, considering I can hear the difference through my laptop speakers says a lot. I'm a lot more impressed by the Roland System 1, which actually comes pretty near an actual SH-101.
The pitch bend and mod wheels on the original DX7 were a lot more ergonomic, and the keys were full-size. To get those benefits with the Reface version, one would have to buy a separate MIDI controller keyboard.
The reface DX doesn't quite match up to the DX7 across the board. Besides the volume levels sounding different, I wonder if everything else is set the same. Preset vs preset.
Lol sounds like most comments are hating for the sake of hating the new overpriced product. The comparison shows that the reface sounds clearer, punchier, more detailed and pronounced. The dx7 sounds looser, darker and lo-fi. I'd hesitate that one sounds better than the other objectively, just different.
This serves as a reminder for you to go out and get a working dx7ii while its not so hard or expensive. The dx7 is a diamond and you're crazy if you dont have one in the studio, its the true yamaha fm sound, and its cheap!
Argh why didnt I see this before! Just bought the Reface, couldn't resist(Katsunori from musictrack really sold me on it!), don't really regret it though the DX7 does have that thick rubbery sounding low end and the Reface attempts at the Classic sounds sound like attempts, perhaps the lack of operators ofcourse. I still think it's a cool little synth though with advantages of it's own in other ways, like being highly portable and possible keytar expansion? Price is a bit steep yeah but I just imagine to myself I lost 280 quidlol
If you're not satisfied with the editability of the reface, maybe you should try the new Dtronics controller, DT-RDX. And if you're not satisfied with the sound of the reface, then head over to eBay and get an original DX or TX. I've got the DX200 and it sounds like a blast. And my TG77 is an ambient and tines beast for real.
Hi friend, I need your help with my Yamaha DX-11 because loss sounds when i changed 3V battery. How can get again its original or another funcionality sound? Soy Rolando de República Dominicana. Puede ayudarme con esto por favor?
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Thanks. Apart from the expected noise, it's very difficult to judge, just because you decided to record the DX7 louder :(
Aside from the disparities in low-end and high-end, DX7 has that warm feeling you won't get from the Reface, but the Reface definitely has some pretty crunchy pads that the DX7 sort of smooths over. If I had the disposable income I'd totally invest in both and overdub them.
Tengo el DX7s desde nuevo comprado en el año '89 o '90, cartuchos y pedal de sustain aún funcionando. Todo un clásico!!!
Not a DX7 but a DX7mkII. Big difference. The DX7 can play 16 notes at the same time, and so can the DX7mkII, but it can also can layer two tones and play 8 notes at a time for a thicker, warmer sound. I wonder if that's what's going on here?
I love the DX7mkII. One of my favorite synths ever.
DX7 sound more "clicky" and dynamic than the DX7 MKII or the DX7 S. Also, the refaceDX looks to sound closer with the DX7 (?)
I'm actually glad you guys gave some special attention to LegendEP sound. Fantastic!!
The Reface clearly has less bottom end in this video. But more highs. Also the DX7 seems to be recorded louder. And there seems to be a small distortion on the louder dynamic sounds? I dont know if this happened in the recording process or is DX7 inherent. I think it would be good for objectivity to be careful about different levels. louder is always percieved better.
saftpackerl i noticed this as well, not entirely objective comparison.
As an owner of dx7 , i think that the distorsion is on dx7 itself.
+saftpackerl Agreed, DX7 much louder in this video.
+Marco Zoppi this is true. the dx7 naturally, has more noise. to the other comments: why not own both if you can afford to? the rf has too many advantages to get into here.
hmm...yes the gain is lower on the reface, however, there are distinct differences in the harmonics. it's more evident in the sy the lead patches as opposed to the acoustic modeled ones. Also, the filter seems to be different between these lead patches...I didn't read the description., but I'm assuming this is factory preset comparisons. if so, the difference is quite pronounced.
I think many of you are missing the point. This is not supposed to be a replacement for a DX7 but an "accessible" FM synth in it's own right. For a start it's a 4 OP FM synth so a fairer comparison if you were to make one would be against a DX100 or DX11. It's incredibly easy to program sounds on the reface dx, unlike most FM synths and of course once Soundmondo goes live on Sept 1st there will be a whole world of sounds to share amongst users. Also don't knock those built in speakers. I was doubtful myself but they are actually very good. I have tried the dx with batteries also and it's a lot of fun to be able to go mobile with one of these things.
As for the pricing, well yes that may be an issue. I have all four reface keyboards here at the moment and the dx is definitely the best value out of the four. It's the most versatile but is it worth the asking price? Not sure yet. It's certainly well built and has quite a weighty feel to it. I'm not a fan of mini keys but the keybeds in the reface series are at least good quality and don't feel in any way "toy like". Street price when they hit the stores here in the UK is £289. I'm thinking were that more like £189 I might be tempted.
If you need any more info on any of the reface models just ask. I should have them here for another couple of weeks before they go back to Yamaha.
+yamahaforums the reason the Reface DX sounds worse than the DX7 isn't because of differently programmed sounds. It's simply because of lacking characteristics in every way. The DX7 has a character and soul of his own, while the Reface DX sounds as exciting as any other ever so average software synth. Very underwhelming. If I wanted the sound the Reface offers I'd just go back to using random plugins instead and get more exciting results from them.
+Goth108 Again you missed the point. The reface dx is an instrument in it's own right. It was never intended to compare with the DX7 so why keep making comparisons with it. The reface dx sounds exactly as it was meant to sound. All instruments are what you make of them. It's the musician that counts and if you can't make decent music on a reface then your not a musician.
yamahaforums so you're trying to say that the DX7 sounds more charming because it was meant to sound more charming? And the Reface DX sounds like a software plugin because it was meant to be without character? I don't think either is true, but whatever.
@Caster Jr I recommend looking up "fm synthesis beginner" on youtube, alongside Power DX and Madfame's patch making videos.
DX7 has a warmer frequency almost rich analog sound, the Reface has cleaner more EQ'd tone. I love the DX7 because of the richness, but in modern music and production the Reface might be easier to record and produce sounds with minimal EQing. also I didn't really see him move the octaves on the Reface so I don't think it was given a fair chance to hear every sound side by side, although in some instances I did find that some sounds were better. personally I'm a fan on the DX7 for the rich 80's nostalgic sound.
Cuando salió el DX7, todos se quejaban y deseaban que sonara mas limpio y claro. Ahora que suena perfecto, como siempre quisimos, echamos de menos la mugre y el ruido.
Lol lol lol, así es.
Creo que las nuevas generaciones están acostumbradas a escuchar todo más limpio, con menos ruido.
@ pero nos queremos escuchar sonidos ruidos y analógicos
Wow, the original dx7 has so much more warmth! For me it's a easy win, especially because the price difference between the reface and the original isn't that big. sometimes you can get a dx7 cheaper than the reface!
Hey Jake! Cool to see you here! But for now i do everything with Dexed, but if i find a cheap one i will go for that! :)
There is no original DX7 in the video. I'ts DX7IID, it have 16bit DA converters instead of 12bit like in original DX7 or another 1st generation FM synths like DX1, DX5, DX21, DX27 etc.
2nd hand, the reface is cheaper than a DX7. Anyway, once you try programming the DX7, you'll see why the reface appeals.
Yeah i understand, but once you start using the Dexed vst editor it becomes way more interesting after all. Well, to me at least.
sure - I appreciate that. I am talking from a perspective of being hardware only. Dexed is great - but I am avoiding VSTs
I'm amazed how the reface DX can keep up with only 4 operators. It's feedback options makes it very interessting also.
Reface sam w sobie brzmi przyjemnie, ale gdy się go zestawi z oryginałem, to jest jak noc przy dniu... Dziękuję, Panowie, za porównanie - wiele rozjaśnia :) Pozdrawiam!
Nice comparison.
I programmed the 4 operator TX81Z and the V50 extensively, and the Reface has two major advantages: a dual effects section, and selectable pitch envelope for the 4 operators. There's also a little MIDI phrase sequencer too. It lacks memory (32 patches, including the factory sounds), and it is expensive, but it is fun to program, and the sounds are extraordinary.
Both of these synths sound amazing and have a unique flavor that'll suite different people.
What I didn't like about this comparison is the volume differences (The brain normally perceives louder as better). The dx7 was definitely a lot louder than the reface.
Shoe Smoothie you can change that by connecting the Reface to a Midi interface and using and amplifier plugin on a Daw program. In that way you can make it sound louder and even better you can use more plug-ins to adapt the sound of the Reface to what you want. The Reface never meant to be what the DX7 was, rather a more accesible FM Synth. For example, I like more small synths because I don't play live. If I want an FM Synth I wouldn't go for the "legendary and way better" DX7, I would go for a more accesible instrument. Also, I've found a great trick for those weird touch faders. You can use a Korg Nano Control (or something similar) and connect it with the Reface so you can use the faders of the Nano Control. There's a video about that. Anyways, I hope I could help you
CC integration on the dx reface is really a +1 in it's flavor. But I prefer the dx7 sound. I have to make a choice.
If im not in mistake the reface is a 4 operators and 8 algorithms synth versus the 6 op and 32 algorithms of the DX7. From another sight the reface has an integrated fx module
I bought one of the firsts DX7 when it came out and at these times a lot of people said it was a bad instrument compared to analog ones (well... I think a bit the same today!). Anyway, it became a "good old vintage" synth, I think it has its own interesting sound, and I still have one (first issue). You can say new technology can't be compared to ancient one, but talking about "copies" you can see some differences, and most of the time it's desapointing even if the recent technology is easier to use (but you can also edit an old DX with a computer). In this demo some sounds are not programmed (made) the same way on the Reface as on the original DX7, so it's hard to really compare.
Thanks. I just like theme both.
People alway said DX7 has a warmer sound but it doesn't mean warmer is better especially in some situation.
If the Reface DX were priced at $249 instead of $500, it would be totally worth it -- especially if you don't have any other FM synths in your rig. But at its current price, no way. I mean, for Yamaha to ask that much for each of the Reface models is almost preposterous.
Markus Arike How do I figure? I figure because Yamaha has had this technology available to it since the early '80s. The DX is a 4-operator FM synthesizer with minikeys and built-in speakers. It's essentially a Yamaha PSS-470 from 1987.
schepler2 I would have to agree with OP here. You can buy DX7's for less then the reface DX.
Markus Arike Then they should get a TG-77 for $150-$200. These Reface toys are a complete waste of money.
Markus Arike "Did anyone ask your opinion here?" - It's a public video, on a public website, I don't need anyone's permission to comment.
"You've been going around all the Reface videos, calling them toys." - No, not really, I think I've made all of four or five comments at most, on one or two videos.
"Nobody gives a fuck about your trolling bs." - You seem to since you took the time to compose your mature, well thought out reply.
Markus Arike "you replied to me, for some inexplicable reason."- You mean the way you replied to schepler2 without him asking *your* opinion? Last checked it's a UA-cam is a public site. I am thinking it's you who are trolling, and needs to fuck off.
I spot a Rhodes in the background;-) Luv the DX7 famous "EP" which sounds equally good on the REFACE!
Am I the only one who likes the reface DX? I think it sounds great. It does the aggressive thing better than the DX7 for sure, since you get 4 feedbacks instead of 1, but it does the mellow thing really very good indeed, and with only 4 ops instead of 6. The pitch stick is one of the best I've ever used and you've got to remember the DX7 cost $2 000 back in 1983. Adjusing for inflation that would be $4 800 in todays money. The DX7 has no effects unlike the reface with 2x7 effects. Built-in speakers and a smaller footprint means that you can take it literally anywhere and program sounds and come up with ideas on the fly. Take it to the picnic or the office, play during lunch breaks... And the Soundmondo web-midi means you get a nearly endless supply of new sounds, and you can share your own if you like. Need the mallet sound for Toto's africa? No prob. Michael Jackson bass? No prob. It doesn't have a mod wheel or expression pedal input, sure. But it DOES recieve modulation wheel and expression data over MIDI (CC# 1, 7, 11). The on-the-fly timbre change with feedback on ALL 4 operators (only 1 on the DX7) is UNIQUE to this instrument. Add to that the ability to change the level and frequency of the operators using the same method and you get some great controls over the sound for live performances. Try to see some of its STRENGTHS, not just the drawbacks. I really urge you all to try one out yourselves for at least an hour. It sounds really fresh, new and modern. The DX7 is a bit dark and stuck in the 80's, whereas the Reface does both eras good. But everybody is of course entitled to their own opinion. Also, have you ever heard the factory presets on the DX7? This is leagues upon leagues better, I think the reface is capable of a much wider sonic pallette than the dark/super-bright nasal quality of a lot of DX7 sounds. Also the instrument in this video is a DX7-IID which is Bi-Timbral. Not a fair comparison at all... That piano sound probably uses 12 operators.
The original Dx7 is actually being sold for less than the Reface nowadays. Reverb has the original Dx7 at $250 and the Reface DX at $400. For that price I’m going for the Dx7.
What I like on the reface is its size. I put some batteries in and can play it while its on the back of my guitar.
There is definitely some discrepancies in the recordingwith what @saftpackerl was saying, but I think the ease of programming on the Reface vs programming on the DX7 is also a big thing not being addressed here. This wasn't designed to "replace" the DX7 it's a totally different synth. Being able to sit and control the individual operators on the fly the Reface is really appealing. Granted there are ways of altering DX7 patches with an iPad and a bunch of crazy 3rd party software, but that adds a cost of an iPad to the mix. There is just a lot more tactility to the reface that makes it more "fun" and a lot less of an everest to climb in order to get your own sounds.
There's definitely a learning curve with learning to program the DX7. But most of that is learning FM Synthesis itself. You don't need software to program the DX7, once you get the hang of it, the front panel is easier than any software out there.
Is there a DX7 equivalent of the Dynalead patch from the DX Reface?
0:51 How do you create that vocal sounding patch with FM synthesis?
Yamaha has always made an amazing sound.
I like how you compared the EPs mostly because that's what I came here for aha
What an amazing little synth the reface Dx :) you can carry this as a keytar aswell
You would have to layer the DX Reface by having maybe two of them to get the warm of the dx7 or get an Eventide H9 and use so if their modulators and filter the sound to until becomes more warm.
Well I have an original dx7 but I would love to try one of these...even tho I already have a reface cs and they share the same ship as dx
It's kinda sad when the demo guy's random noodling is better than the sum of my entire musical career
The original DX7 wins for me,it has more warmth and bigger sound. Even with my eyes closed the DX7 still wins.
Once in a while a company makes a product thats very hard to beat,even with modern technology and i think this is a case of that
SP330Y dx7 has 6 op. The reface has 4 op.
James Reeno
what is op?
nobody said otherwise
even through my laptop i can hear that the DX7 is fuller and has more depth to its sounds while the reface comes of as tinny
The DX reface has only 4 operators whereas the DX7 has 6. The DX7 also has twice the number of Algorithms.
Wait, are these the original patches that come with the DX7II?? Where can I download them? Mine are quite different en I like these waaaaaaaay better!
I'd say they both sound absolutely great, but the DX7 has that distinct FM sound.
I would say the Reface is “distinctly” FM as well, with slightly different EQ.
The dx7 ii key feel is absolutely amazing
Not a good comparison when two instruments were recorded in different volume.
Reface is modern, clear, cold while original sounds warm, dull.
Unless you are exactly trying to replicate 80's, reface could be a good option.
The greater detail and richness in the original DX timbres is quite evident IMHO.
The lower registers are where the DX7 shines so beautiful. :)
2:48 made my eyebrows leap off my forehead. The Reface with filters is very nice!
I'm also a fan of these mini-keyboards in general because I'm more interested in a number of MIDI controllers which provide more options for range, key-weight and features vs being locked-in to one style by the manufacturer - while still having something that's playable on the go vs a boutique module with no keys. Plus the DX and CS provide a nice range of digital and analog sounds for a nice low price-point, with massive space savings.
I drool at the people on youtube that have a wall of keyboards in their home-studio, but I just don't have the space!
Thank you for the video. That's a DX7 mkii you're using. I'd be curious how an original DX7 would compare. Guessing the reface is trying to emulate the original?
Dx7 just has more character in the sound.i know the reface is fairly easy to edit the sounds as I played with it at the local music store. I’ve never tried editing on the Dx7 which I hear is a pain in the ass . I’m bit lost on which one to purchase,
I feel DX sounds greater than reface...
I would have to agree. I bought an original DX7 on eBay last week and it arrived on Friday :)
@@scottcupp8129 lucky you, im still hunting for it at a reasonable price :(
No question
For who never playing original DX, reface DX and PSR S series become good for me...
I wanted this reface DX so bad... Hoping can purchasing this model one day...
PSR S have ridicolous for me... 😢
Comparing different patches??
The comparison is not fair as the patches are clearly different. I'm a great fan of DX7, but I think the Reface DX is a good synth in its own right, having feedback on all operators and additional waveforms. It is much more modern, cleaner sounding and this is useful, too. It doesn't have the weight and as much acoustic, 3D character as DX7 does, though. It won't replace my DX7, ever, but it might be a cool portable alternative for live use.
Rok Koritnik I do wish Yamaha would make that great looking 3 octave DX10, proposed by one guy. That would be the ultimate modern, portable DX.
Both are nice. But DX7 sounds warmer and deeper.
I think we just need All to stop comparing and make love...but more seriously I have a dx7 mk1 and I think the reface is a awesome piece of equipment to travel with especially for the price. I own a reface cs and also have a AN1x which is also a Va. but the CS can go to other places the AN1x can’t go and vice versa...I think it works the same for the dx7 and the reface Dx...you can’t go wrong choosing a dx7 and you can’t go wrong choosing a reface Dx...I actually wanted to get one just for the fun...
Thanks for comparison and also other your good videos, but totally I agree with the views below.
The DX7 sounds like it has a wet rag over the speakers. The Reface sounds way more hifi.
I'd put a wet rag over my speakers anytime.
The DX7 definitely sounds like it has a lot more low end going on, that may be tricking your ears a bit as the Reface seems to be more prominent in the higher end frequencies, but also much thinner sounding as a result.
@@exiles_dot_tv el original suena mucho mas fuerte de volumen,no se puede juzgar asi
Then to recreate the original dx7 just put wet rags over the speakers.
@@sammytimgaming2947 And I will stick to my original DX7. I'd take wet rags any day
I think an external chorus box would greatly aid the Reface FM Piano, when its internal effects are disabled.
I suggest the Keeley Dyno My Roto for a fantastic that can go thick and syrupy, a very realistic rotary speaker, and great flanger that can do whooshy or even pukey sounds.
I like the classic EP better on the original DX7. I feel like the attack is more clicky in a good way.
Very helpful, thank you! The Reface is truly amazing being that it is 4 operator. The DX7's 6 operators do make a difference but I don't remember the 80s 4 op synths being like the Reface, particularly the Electric Piano!!!
The thing is that 2 additional operator worked in layer way. This means that 4 operator could sound like 6 operator in similar algorithm with bit of resonance. Synths or OPN from 80s doesn't have resonance feature.
The 4 operators on the Reface DX are all capable of feed-backing to themselves. Out of the 6 operators only one operator can feed-back to itself in the DX7, which means that the Reface is capable of a much more complex sound design. People only look at the specs and take them at face value, missing this critical detail.
the reface really sounds mostly like my FB01 tbh.
Unfair comparison, they’re both DXs but not the same. I love my Reface and concede to the gorgeous sounds of the DX7. But I love my user friendly and very mobile Reface. For the price I got it for it was very worth it.
DX should be compared to dx100, not dx7. It is a fun keyboard in its own right, I messed with it in store and wouldn't mind having one, but at $500 it's too much for what you get.
Here's my solution, as someone who loves the DX-7. Buy an original one on craigslist, but torrent / buy FM8 and run a bunch of DX-7 Patches with your computer first. I have an MS-20 mini, which i like because it's 1) cheaper than an old ms-20 and 2) it sounds very similar if not idential to the original. I love the form and idea of the reface keyboards, and the looping / effects are great for musicians without a ton of gear / software, but you can get an original DX-7 with 2 more modulation points and a full size synth keyboard for about $300 easily on CL/ebay.
Reface is much easier to program.
What's the use of the lower body, the soul is not the same ? The components not evolved to the point of doing the same and with the same sound quality that was done before? Evolve to regress? The old Dx7 is the awesome yet, after 30 years!
Tried it today and liked it vääääääry much, wonderfull to edit! Sounds cleaner than the dx100, less like a toy also. Even though i like the crunchy sound of dx100.. Have to buy this one. Anyone know if it's a lot of work installing a modwheel? Hehe : D feels like it would be...
I think the sound of the DX7 is much more powerful for both Dynamics for the Sounds . Even the nuance of the sound is richer and more expressive , and I do not think it is due to the overall volume incision but just the quality of the sound generation as well as to the internal components of the audio outputs of the same .
What song is that on 1:06
2:33 patch is all you need to know about how different these are
The sound of the reface is really fantastic. In the recording it has less volume and has a little less harmonics, I imagine by the lack of those two operators, I do not know, but with the effects it is much improved. With the reface dx you can edit the sound more easy even at real time with the dx7 is not possible. -The reface has include effects, dx7 no-. Are diferents keyboards style; portability and fun vs more voices and complete keyboard. I think that in this video the audio capture of the reface is not at the same level as the dx7. To be more exacts, It should have been compared to a four-operator fm synth not with the dx7.
I wouldn't compare it to a DX 7 as the 6 operators have more combos different capabilities. Compare it to a DX 9,21,27 or 100 with 4 operators and I think the Reface exceeds their sound palette by having feedback on each operator. Reface sounds like an FM synth and capable of some incredible sounds on it's own.
The Reface only has 8 voice polyphony, and I wish it had at 16, but compared to the original Roland Boutiques with only 4 voices, it's better for full chords at least.
What is the song he plays at 3:15?
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how diffixult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
The EP sounds better on the DX7, but the reface I’d much easier and fun to program. So, unless you’re into Whitney Houston covers, the reface is a better option. It can sound warm and analog if you program it to do so. As for the older DXs, my favorite is the 11.
Does anyone have the "Dyna Lead" patch for DX7 IIFD?
It is kinda unfair comparing the 6-operator DX7 against the 4-operator Reface. It should have been compared with a DX21/11/27/9 or a TX81z
Another interesting video would be to download the DX7's sysex file with these patches and load them into a Korg Kronos for direct comparison!
Who have a ears will hear that Reface have a more stereo panoramic and clear sound, but in same time seems like DX7 a bit warmer.
the el.pianos sound much better ,fuller and warmer on the DX,on DX7 they sound sterile and 8 bit like(I know its 12bit dac ,but you got my point,just sounds grainy)
This is a great product to a very nice price
Thanks for posting. I nearly forgot how good the DX7 was. Hey Yamaha, what have you been doing for the past 30 years? Going backwards.
DX7 had a crappy interface. +KUPHSER the reface has a better interface!!!
I agree, the original DX7 are one of the best 'pure' synths of all time. I have the DX7 MK1, and it can produce amazing analog-like fat sounds as well as breathtaking strings, brass etc. Long live the DX7!
Power DX7 i think VA or analog is better for analog sounds.
The reface dx isn't really meant as a reissue of the DX7, more like of a DX100 or DX27 because it only has 4 operators, but with added functionality and improved interface
Cual es mejor Yamaha Reface DX ó Yamaha DX7?
Could you please do a sample of the brass horns? much appreciated
I second this!
"My little pony" and "1001 america's" 80's themes in slow tempo!
もしオリジナルDXにGS1並のコーラスと空間系エフェクトが搭載されていたらすごいことになっている。特にここの比較対象はDX7-IIであるからその能力を最大限引き出している音ではない。単純に比較はできない。
I've bought a dx7 for cheaper than my old reface, I miss him
What's the program at 4:10?
Please note that this guy is not playing the DX7, but the DX7 IID.
The IID is an improved version of the DX7 which is said to make a more clear/less noisy sound.
Where are my manners:
Thank you for this comparison video!
It helped me deciding to persue a real DX7, although I'm pleased with my Reface DX.
Notice that in this example it ain't even about analog vs. digital recreation and the original still sounds warmer, rounder and fuller (I listened from my smartphone speakers). So what is it actually about when it comes to not as good new recreations of old classics?
7, different recording volume but theres much more to listen on the DX7
The reface DX has 4 operators, while the dx7 has 6, it would be more correct to compare the reface DX with the DX-21.
Still great video!!
Pretty much although the DX-21 had 8 algorithms while this has 12. So it's a little fuller. And with extra effects I'm getting bi-timberal sounds - although I could be wrong.
DX7 sounds a lot better, considering I can hear the difference through my laptop speakers says a lot. I'm a lot more impressed by the Roland System 1, which actually comes pretty near an actual SH-101.
+Crackykun haa, that last bit, no it doesn't x
excuse me. anyone, can it be used to record to digital, as an input to a laptop's mixing software
The pitch bend and mod wheels on the original DX7 were a lot more ergonomic, and the keys were full-size. To get those benefits with the Reface version, one would have to buy a separate MIDI controller keyboard.
Mark Pettigrew the programming interface on the reface is the BEST on any FM synth ever made.
Bonjour, peut-on télécharger des set, des sons dans ce keyboard ?
Where can i buy an dx7?
The reface DX doesn't quite match up to the DX7 across the board. Besides the volume levels sounding different, I wonder if everything else is set the same. Preset vs preset.
Lol sounds like most comments are hating for the sake of hating the new overpriced product. The comparison shows that the reface sounds clearer, punchier, more detailed and pronounced. The dx7 sounds looser, darker and lo-fi. I'd hesitate that one sounds better than the other objectively, just different.
This serves as a reminder for you to go out and get a working dx7ii while its not so hard or expensive. The dx7 is a diamond and you're crazy if you dont have one in the studio, its the true yamaha fm sound, and its cheap!
Omg when he do the old dx7 80s come alive
Both can be program the same way...remember both had the same 6 operators and algorithms.
DX7 = louder = null test.
The reface version has a strength with mobility. We must consider that.
AND and INTERFACE.
It's not really a fair fight since the Reface is missing 1/3 of the needed operators
Isn't the Reface basically a 4 octave remake of the DX100 rather than the DX7?
Argh why didnt I see this before! Just bought the Reface, couldn't resist(Katsunori from musictrack really sold me on it!), don't really regret it though the DX7 does have that thick rubbery sounding low end and the Reface attempts at the Classic sounds sound like attempts, perhaps the lack of operators ofcourse.
I still think it's a cool little synth though with advantages of it's own in other ways, like being highly portable and possible keytar expansion? Price is a bit steep yeah but I just imagine to myself I lost 280 quidlol
nice, lools like my dx100
If you're not satisfied with the editability of the reface, maybe you should try the new Dtronics controller, DT-RDX. And if you're not satisfied with the sound of the reface, then head over to eBay and get an original DX or TX. I've got the DX200 and it sounds like a blast. And my TG77 is an ambient and tines beast for real.
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