Grandpops Tool Box Unopened for 30 years - Whats inside?
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Taking a look at the incredible machinists tool box given to me by my father-in-law, which was his fathers.
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You'll need an indicator for that bore & groove gauge brother if its not already there. Set up & spin around for concentric/ oblong bores & heads. Think piston sleeves & rings, heads, shit like that if I remember correctly. Pretty much a novelty/ collectors piece nowadays with technology being what it is.
Cool as fuck brother, what a treat, congrats!
This Old Tony needs to see this video.
The ribbit wire is for the frogs chain mail😁
You should reach out to Abom79, Adam Booth, here on UA-cam. He is a machinist and will know or can look up any tool in his extensive catalog collection, as well as hook you up with someone that can totally rebuild and restore that dial indicator that isn't reading.
Abom79, Adam, is extremely knowledgeable on everything starrett and brown & sharp.
He has also been to the original place they built/build Gershner and sons tool boxes. He has bought and had restored a box there as well as did an extensive shop tour on his channel.
He is a really good guy and is always willing to help when he can.
You should ask your father in law about that dollar. My gut says if it's not a misprinted bill (which can be worth quite a bit), then there's a story behind it that ends with "and to this day, I STILL have that dollar in my toolbox"
I cried through this video. I lost my husband of almost 45 yrs, a couple of years ago. Watching you go through this was like watching someone going through his toolbox.
Sadly, he gave his tools to his brother so I dont have the opportunity to go through his toolbox. Thank you for the happy memory you gave me today.
Offer to buy the box back from the brother or trade him something else of your late husband’s he wants all he can do is say no and if he says no just cry! It works on me every time a woman cries there’s a man somewhere giving in to her lol I’m sorry about your husband passing away but I bet the 45 years was worth every second 😘
@@JT-il3fe Thank you. Your reply was most helpful. I will try to ask, but hes the biggest liar, cheat and otherwise dishonest man Ive ever known and hes heartless. Even his wifes or mothers tears move him in the slightest. I do thank you for taking the time to respond.🔩⚔🗡🛠⚒⛏🪓🔨🪚🔧🪛🗜
Your very welcome hun now get you some sleep and everything will feel better in the morning
The cigarette papers are used like shim stock. .001/in per paper. I never had occasion to use them but some of the 'old timers' had them in their box for setups and other stuff.
I mentioned the old timers, I'm 74 now and they were at least 30 years older than me. I thank your Grandfather was one of the old timers.
Good point! I'm so used to just using copy paper I didn't even think of that. Thanks for your insight George. Its great to see an experienced machinist in the comments here.
@@ElementalMaker
The papers I recommend now are OCB Premium ("Black Pack") papers. They are *_VERY_* thin to the point of being mostly transparent. Also, considering how thin they are, they're very strong. So, it's easy to pull them out from between two tightly mounted pieces of hardware.
Touch off papers
Ain't that the tooth...
My shop teacher in junior high school used
A Cigarette cellophane...
@@PerspectiveEngineer Cigarette cellophane was used for .00001 paper. You could buy real .00001 paper from a manufacturer.
the rolling papers were a consistent .001" and were used to check the micrometers calibration
If you hadn't written it 1st I would have.
use them a lot in my home shop and used them a lot as a tooly. good stuff! :)
By the looks of it, Grandpop was a man who spent his life dealing with cold steel and hard facts. May he rest in peace.
That's not a toolbox. That's a time machine. Absolutely incredible what you have there.
And disregard the guy whom offered you a $100 for the contents..... he knows there worth more.
I’m so glad that gorgeous set went to someone who could appreciate it.
Didn't know what silver solder was
I sure would rather they went to someone who was capable of actually using them.
@@allenc7313 Also did not know what a pitch mic was or try the flip the direction switch on the Federal test indicator, maybe in was not stuck.
this is a welcome change of pace!
i personally love looking at old tools, especially tools i have no clue how to use or what their function is.
That tool is for measuring inside diameter grooves. You have to attach a dial indicator to it.
At 8:54, Brian Dulak is correct. You mount an indicator to the gage, set the legs to clear the bore ID when collapsed, then check the 'fingers' against a set of gage blocks assembled to the desired finish ID groove diameter. You then compare the diameter of the part's ID groove to the reading from the gage blocks.
FYI, the blocks are called "gage blocks", NEVER "Jo" blocks.
@@keithdavis4649 I've always said 'gage blocks', but there were old guys who used and called Johansson brand gauges 'jo blocks' for short.
In December 1969 I walked into a toolroom to start an apprentice and saw my first Gerstner toolbox. I have always liked them. I have found over the years that you can tell a lot about
a tradesman from what is in his Gerstner and how it is packed.
What an incredible tour through time, absolutely beautiful tools. Waiting for part two.
Still have mine,bought it in 1966 from a tool & Die maker $50.00. .I was a Journeyman Machinist . Started my apprenticeship in 1966. I ended up working for Criterion Machine Works for 30 years.The last 12 years there I was Production Manager/Chief of manufacturing operations.We manufactured machine tool products that were sold worldwide ,famous for their Toolmaker's precision Vise. .I'm 74 years old now and my son will get some day.
The Nickel Silver rivet wire is just used to make hand hammered rivets. The work nicely for Jewellery or to secure small parts.
Wow do you know where to buy it
@@chaostglive3404 google it
Thank you for sharing! what an honor to receive that for sure
So awesome! I wish I had more of my grandfather’s tools. Each tool like a piece of art with so much history behind them.
Very nice.
Rolling mill design engineer here (U.K.).
When our mill went bust in the late 90's I didn't have the heart to see the technical library get thrown in the skip.
So I saved as much of what I could. It's in the garage still.
The FIRST edition of the machinerys handbook is there. along with Kemps and others.
Ps.. I hope to god you don't have rusty fingers.
Thanks for the upload.
You have an absolute treasure trove of useful and memorable tools, I find myself envious of your find. I wish you well and just a note, most of the tools you have in that box I have in mine (that are gathering dust) that I used as a machinist and toolmaker for over 30 years. Thank you for the trip down memory lane, continued good luck in your endeavors. The name should be Steve Marvin on the post.
I know exactly what you mean my dad did his apprenticeship with the rail road when they were still using steam. And was a welder Machinist fabricator most of his life he would have been 102 this fall I have all his tools . That sir is s box fit for jewelry which some of it is
to think of the hands and the knowledge of getting things , not just done but done beautifully
Thank you for sharing
Central California watching
Thanks for sharing.
Lovely to see how respectful you are to the old gentleman.
Love the fantastic tools.
I am (or was) also a machinist with the 3pc set Gerstner rolling box set, i love the quality of the box and could never make myself part with it. It (along with my tools will also be past down to my son when the time comes. I only hope he appreciates it like you do. The quality tools and gauges take years and years to acquire.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Thank you for sharing, a beautiful box made from what looks like oak, a great interesting , informative and entertaining video
Thank you again
Sam
The bore and groove gauge is for gaging "O" ring grooves, blind bores, thread reliefs, undercuts, out of round and tapered bores.
You are specially blessed my friend! Something to be cherished for generations. Thanks for the tour!
Special indeed! Thanks for sharing and allowing us to geek out with you.
And this is why I always encourage people to talk with the elderly. You'll never get a truer sense of history, and once their skills are gone, if not passed down to the next generation(s), they're gone for good. They don't make things like they used to... including people.
Rick Bailey ha, elderly, ha
This is why we don't know how the pyramids were built among other things
"I hope I don't bore you guys to death"
Meanwhile I'm on the edge of my seat
Glad you enjoyed 👍
Lol drooling too
I just stumbled across your channel and this is the first video I watched. I got goose bumps when I saw the box. My twin brother and I inherited our grandfather's box that is identical to yours. Ours is not near as nice as yours, but filled with many cool tools and memories. I remember going through our box with my brother and wondering what some of the tools even were used for or what they were. Our box only had 2 micrometers. Oh well. Brought back some old memories watching you go through your box. EVERYTHING is a treasure in the box as well as the box itself. The company still exists in Dayton, OH. They do restorations of old boxes. Our box is far beyond restoring to your condition. What a joy to watch. Just a gorgeous tool box. Thank you.
I am so jealous right now. You have an extraordinary thing there. All the best.
@14:18 that’s a planer gage. Used for setting tools when planers were still machine tools. Can also be used as an adjustable parallel.
An interesting note is that all most all those tools still cost the same as they did 50 years ago when I was making $1.65 per hr! They were a huge investment back then!
yes the first week i started in aircraft engineering i had to buy a micrometer, was on £20 a week then in 1975. they had a tool club where you saved to purchase tools ect
well 50 yrs ago I was making 1.75 pr hr. but I was building 1000 ft. towers all over the usa
Forty years ago, I started in the shops at $3.40/hour, fresh out of high school. My first purchase after safety shoes was a Gerstner box, a Series 52 like the one pictured, and a mic.
A few years later, I lost the box to a thief that broke into the shop and took 30 + tool boxes from the benches one weekend. The company compensated everyone $75. I had close to $550 worth of tools in that box. I quite the next day.
My great grandfather was also a machinist, we also have a similar toolbox, AND all of his larger equipment was sold before it could get to me or my dad. This video was very nostalgic. Brings me back to digging through that toolbox when I was little.
Thanks for this video. It truly is going back in time. I rarely get to go through old tools any more. Maybe one day my grand kids will go through mine.
Can you imagine the quality and condition of the rest of his tools that were disposed of. Quite sad.
Awesome tools! To preserve those tools longer you should be wearing gloves or wiping them down before you put them back. Sweat is acidic.(sweat/body oils)
That is soo cool. I love antiques and the care for his tools just shows what an awesome and caring dude he was!
You are not boring me. I am a wood machinist but I feel your excitement as you touch and smell those beautiful tools.
At 8:50 that's _clearly_ a Transverse Reciprocating Dingle-Arm that helped reduce Sinusoidal Replaneration of the Lotus O-Delta windings in the Turbo Encabulator. Gotta teach you kids everything nowawdays.
Lmao, that's awesome
You just had to get "turbo encabulator" in there somewhere! ;)
@@edgeeffect
It's my schtick.
John Lee Pettimore III
I’ve used them to calibrate
The hydrocoptic marvel vanes.
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Every one of your fingerprints is now engraved on the tools, a wipe with an oily cloth is in order.
I'm with you right there with the love of old tools. I met an old machinist toward the end of his life. He manufactured and repaired parts for Air Force vehicles. Lenny, by name. He was my neighbor. He died unexpectedly and his family held an estate sale. I was lucky enough to get his two tool boxes. One full of automotive tools the other a machinists tool box like yours. I had to scrounge ever dollar I had in my rainy day fund, even cleaned out the coin catch in the armrest of my truck! I still think of the old fella whenever I use his tools and remember how he could tell the kind of airplane by the sound it made, flying overhead and identify it exactly at a glance. By every measure I could make, he was a good man.
Thanks for video, brings back memories of my time in shipyard, when I was an apprentice I built a toolbox the same after an old timer Norm showed me one he brought from England, he was a model maker from the navy,it’s a great design toolbox, as well as practical..to this day I still use mine, far better than steel or plastic as wood helps to keep tools from sweating and rusting..you have a real treasure, a pleasure to see, kind regards
The thing I love about these tool boxes is that you can instantly tell who is a machinist by asking what that skinny middle drawer is for, and your wife’s granddad didn’t let us down.
As a thought the cigarette papers may have been used as a sort of disposable feeler gauge for machine set up.
Beautiful set of tools. The extra trinkets were even more important, they showed the man behind the tools. I loved the notebook! Tidbits for you: The Indical bore and groove gage was widely used in measuring inside gap sizes of snapring and seal grooves or track grooves. Also for bore diameters (if you had pin or round anvil tips). Extremely useful for tool and gage makers who needed slip or press fit hole measurements for calibrated pins. Like for measuring go/no go gauges used in part validation. The rivet wire was widely used in jewlery and medical insturment manufacturing. You cut a length of wire, slipped it into the hole drilled through, used a concaved tipped setting punch and bucket to pinch clamp the rivet. My father was a machinist millwright and tool maker. You brought back many fond memories. I hope you use these tools as they were meant to be used, honoring your Grandfather's memory. Thanks for sharing your moment of discovery.
Thank you for your kind words and very insightful information. I appreciate it 👍
this is like a time capsule ive doen some tool and die training at work and its nice seeing how stuff hasnt changed all that much when it comes to the tools use
I'm a retired heavy duty mechanic. I have several large tool boxes full of tools. One can never have too many tools haha
When I retired I has so many people trying to buy my tooling it was crazy.
My answer was sorry boys, I have my own family that they are going to.
No idea what my son the chef is going to do with a 1" impact, but you never know.
On a side note, the other son is a welder who likes repairing things and my daughter works in a pharmacy but she likes working on her own vehicle, will do her own brakes and such.
Hey she asked so I showed her how.
" she asked and I showed her how" the all time best answer to the ask
NIce! My Mom has almost the exact same tool chest from her father who was also a tool and die machinist. Unfortunately, I don't think it came with all his tools as it is now sewing box.
I'm not a machinist, but enjoyed the history behind the tool box. And as a carpenter, loved the box itself. Quality workmanship that is timeless. Thanks for showing it.
By the way, if you pull out the bottom few drawers there may be a date hand written in the bottom of that beautiful Gerstner.
When being a machinist meant something .
Thats a beautiful find the pasttool boxes and the tools thenselves are beautiful.
That is so beautiful 😍 I loved watching you go through it.
The first tool you had a question about is a Inner Dimension Spring Caliper. But it is missing the indicator. - Machinist also!
in his last video edge precision show a working one
@@camilleunvoas2831 here is the time stamp: ua-cam.com/video/54PjxK1Ewvw/v-deo.html
Thanks Jim! 👍
You're not boring anyone, in fact, you could get a lot more detailed. Little more interesting than old tools
Sir, this by far is the kewlest video I have seen this year!! I love making things especially woodworking and starrett is #1 in measuring and squares. Glad to see someone get it that will keep and use it opposed to trying to sell for a profit
I'm glad you appreciate this stuff. When I give away my Machinist Tools, I doubt anyone will.
That looks absolutely amazing. I would be scared of using half the tools... I'd probably damage them
Not the way they were made back then, you wouldn't, mate! :D
My dad's got a set of chisels that my grandad brought back with him after the war. The quality far surpasses anything you'd find on the shelves today! Made the old tools good and proper, like, back then!
These things are made out of highest quality stainless steel alloys. They are made at a high precision to not warp, bend rust or get scratched or altered in any shape or form if you use it the way they are intended. Someone who paid for that kind of tool would know how to use it and how to take care of it. If you ever come across any of these tools, please rub it down once in a while with WD40, keep it in a dry place, which is enough to maintain their properties and precision for decades and prevents rust.
Most of them would be hard to break, as long as you were even just mildly careful. They knew how to make them back then
If handled correctly they will last forever. But many of these high precision tools are sensitive for misuse ;)
Think about it as a Harley. Somebody who buys a Harley would not use it for motocross.
The half & half rolling papers are for touching down on the part. When the paper rips without marking the part you know you are on top of it...tm
beautiful box and tools, I (like probably most of us) really like old tools and old science related things. whenever I wander into an estate sale Im always looking for things like that. I also like that some of these old things you cant find info about online, people seem to think the internet is the only place to find info.
Thanks for sharing, I was a machinist my whole working life, and like you, I LOVE TOOLS, AND TOOL BOXES, ESPECIALLY WOOD CRAFTED, Like the beauty you now have. Hang on to em'!!.....🛶🍁
“My father in-law has a really nice box”
Man love your videos keep up the great work. But very important you goin to use that band-aid? I just cut the hell out of my finger. Lol keep up the great work
Absolutely you can have it! All I need is that you sign these six waivers and add me to your will LOL
Everything looks like it did the day it was sold.... absolutely stunning kit and great tools!! Quite a score!
Awesome! Love old tools. Thank you for sharing with us.
My grandfather gave my mother a $20 gold certificate, that he had kept when Roosevelt took us off the gold standard. Mom said it was meant for me to mark my birth, 01/20/53.
Real nice tools and tool box. Your father-in-law must really like you, the tools, the tool box, the daughter...lol
What's your point mama boy?
1/20/53 was the day Dwight D. Eisenhower was sworn in as president. But FDR took us off the gold standard on April 5, 1933. How does the gold certificate mark your birthday? I don't get the connection.
randall williams Roosevelt took us off the gold standard. My certificate is dated 1923 and my grandfather had it in his possession (technically hoarding) before Eisenhower was even thought of as President.
Have you never started a trust fund or savings account for a new born?
I only mentioned Eisenhower as a matter of interest or coincidence that you were born on the day he was sworn in. It has nothing to do with FDR or the gold standard. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
randall williams Hey, no biggie. I was aware of Eisenhower, also share the day with George Burns and Lucille Ball's son Desi Arnez, Jr.
Would have been funny if you stumbled across his weed stash:)
hahahaha yessssss!!!!
As a fellow lover of antiquities, I truly appreciated your passion for old tools!
Absolutely the most beautiful thing I’ve seen in a very long time!
Man I love your laugh. 9/10 reasons why I'm here *HA, HA, HA* ;)
I'm just waiting for AvE to chime in on this.
With the voice, I thought it actually WAS AvE, but the reduced rate of AvEisms made me look for which channel I was watching.
This is more on This Old Tony's corner or the woods
I know right. I seen the healing mat and the volt..amp meter plugged in to the outlet. Had to do a double take.
@@ed_halley I had to check for a split second.
@@ed_halley Funny, I thought it was AvE also but in a younger year.
Oh wow, that thing is absolutely gorgeous! what a dream of a toolbox!
What a beautiful toolbox! I've always wanted something like that.
Gerstner is still in business making boxes. So save your pennies. A box like we're seeing here costs over a grand.
The first Starrett micrometer is a tubing micrometer.
Yep, measures tube wall thickness, I have the exact same one.
Multi-Anvil micrometer
I used one to measure the distance of a bore to a part edge. Mic the distance, and add 1/2 the diameter. It's also handy to measure the height of a step, think a reverse depth mic.
You need to visit OxTools and make a 5 hours video with Tom going through it all.
That is something that just needs to happen.
You have a fortune in memories and tools, my grand father had similar, was also machinest/tool maker during the wars, I have most of the tools you showed, and 3 boxes, pass them down with the stories and history, myself I became an auto mechanic of 50 yrs because of my grandfather who taught me to fix things like bikes an help on cars good luck. from the motor city Detroit Michigan
A toolbox like that with tools like those disserves to be be with someone like you who enjoys them for what they are and were. They aren't just a tool, its a piece of Art, a piece of someone. I collect and use old/antique woodworking tools. Every time I use one its like feeling the life of the tool and being a part of the energy of that tool and everyone that has used it. I hope one day my son or daughter feels the same about my tools as you feel about those.
There's no silver in nickel-silver wire, it just looks like silver. Commonly used in crafts, never rusts.
14:04 we used as a kind of height transfer gage, but that's not the right name for it.
It's called a planer gauge, and it's used to set heights etc as you said
@@GeorgeK356 Thanks!
That federal test indicator should have a lever on the side to lock it in one direction or the other of travel. Make sure it's not just in the center position. And yeah, thats a thread mic.
Priceless. Take care of that box and tools. Im going to make one of those for my precision tools. Greetings, from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
I mean, wouldn't this be the actual definition of priceless? The knowledge and experiences that man had, this is incredible.
God damn that is gorgeous. I have always wanted to get into watchmaking and this right here is the toolbox I always imagined having for something like watch making.
Also nah this isn't boring. This is one of my favorite things to do/watch. Theres a reason Tubalcain/mrpete has a channel as big as it is. People love discovering odd old tools.
However you might want to wait on releasing this video until after you make another video closer in line with what nighthawkinlight fans will want. Chemistry/rockets/fire but thats just an opinion.
Horology
What is the date on that dollar bill? 🤔
Hey thank you for showing that. I really enjoyed it and like you love old tools and their stories.
I hope you know how lucky you are! Love the box and all those wonderful and well kept tools 👍👍👍
The "rolling papers" are used as thousandths spacers
Makes thousands space out for hours when properly filled?
I've mainly used them to touch-off tools and zero dials.
I now recommend OCB Premium ("Black Pack") papers. Thin enough to almost be *_transparent_* but still very strong for their thinness.
@@kcirtap14231 doin it all wrong, they're "lunchbreak spacers" for the welders... 😂
Got there before me. but very thin spacers...
Hah, I have that exact same toolbox that I got from my grandfather about thirty years ago.
Looks just like my old tool box. My box was a Kennedy. Lost it when the house burned down. Was good to reminisce.
Thanks for sharing. Oh, the bore gage was used to check for 'O-ring' sizes. And the thread mic was a common item when I was a machinist. Nice stuff.
He was a Great man! You are very blessed to have such things.
My father died when I was 5.
He left me memories. Nothing more.
That beauty makes snap-on boxes look like they need a helmet and short bus . That thing is gorgeous . My word and the tools are flawless , like an apprentice hasn't ever been in it . Til today .
Jk ,
That's an amazing family pass down . You are a blessed man . Father in law must feel real bad for you marrying his daughter . That's one heck of a pay off . Does she have two wooden legs , a plastic eyeball and two horns sticking out her forehead ?!
LOL as much as I joke around my wife is an angel. She's a nurse working directly with coronavirus patients at the moment so I'm worried sick about her.
@@ElementalMaker ewe , our family will be praying for you two , each night , til this thing is over .
Hey friend not cool with the reference to" helmet and short bus" the handicap do not have a easy life. Maybe you would like to spend the rest of your life completely dependent on someone else to feed you give you a drink or take you to the restroom not being able to control any of your muscles or even get other people to understand what you are trying to say you are well on your Way
I would like finish this conversation in person because I'm out of nice words!!!!!!!
@@theodoredugranrut8201 hey buddy I think your on the wrong channel. We joke around here and don't get butthurt. You might want to find a nice dry channel where you won't get offended.
@@ElementalMaker Actually I had very nice things to say about your videos, I have seen a couple .Ido and will stand up for the handicapped citizens of our country if you want to make fun of them .Do not refer to me as " buddy"
You elitist snob
9:06
Put a test indicator on it and use it for measuring o-ring or snap ring grooves on the ID of a part.
What year is on that $1 bill you found in the bible drawer?
Check the serial number, he may have been one who played poker with the serial numbers on the bill...
Or the minor diameter of a thread...
www.flexbar.com/products/indi-cal-internal-groove-gage
That's not how you play
My father use to go threw his bills and save the ones with the best hands as well. But he wouldn't have stored it in his tool box.
Very very cool, so glad it's ended up in your appreciative hands. 👍
I am 66 yr old and my father was a tool box exactly like this one. It was beautiful.
Thanks for the memories.
Those are still digital micrometers. They're just mechanical digital instead of electronic.
They still make them.
Yeah not a lick of rust on them. THAT'S WHY Gerstner boxes were made and that's why you dial indicators and calipers and whatnot come in wood boxes. Metal boxes makes tools rust. Wood boxes don't.
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I am so fricking jealous! I have my great uncle's tools. He was a machinist in the 20s through 50s. I treasure (and still use) each and everyone of them.
Nothing better than keeping the memory of a loved one alive using their passed down tools 👍
Cigarette papers were used as an indicator for zeroing a milling tool onto the work piece. I was shown this trick as an apprentice at the Rocket Propulsion Establishment in the UK in 1967. Lovely set of tools.
Ask abom about the guy that fixes all his indicators for the federal
Doubleboost also has some good videos where his friend repairs indicators
Anyone else staring at the cool old painter's torch? I love old tools... except the two legged variety, I swear they have their own soul after decades of use. That weird looking one you don't know almost looks like some type of bore gauge to me. LOL and then you instantly say that's what it is.. damn I'm good lol. It's for checking the depth of O-ring (not cock ring) bores. Here's one. www.flexbar.com/products/indi-cal-internal-groove-gage Nickel Silver has no silver in it, it's silver colored.. it's used for jewelry. www.rjleahy.com/category-s/147.htm (I'm good at researching stuff... too bad I can't get a job doing it)
Almost all my tools came to me rusted, many fished out of dumpsters and scrap piles, so I learned from an early age to appreciate older tools because the few "new" tools I was ever able to buy or was given invariably broke or failed on me in ways the old ones just didn't.
Great video, love old machine tools and gerstner boxes, thanks for sharing.
I know very little about tools, but I love to see things that were built to last. The people who made those tools, and that gorgeous box, were proud of what they made, and knew they would be appreciated and passed on to the next generation. We’ve lost so much in this day of make it cheap then throw it out. You have a treasure. I’m so glad it came to someone who appreciates it!
Cigarette papers are used to touch off tooling about .001" from the surface.
yes. we used loosleaf with the milling machine or masking tape. Cig papers are thinner for more precision cuts.