Thank you for making actual content in the real world about something that you're passionate about and not just more low effort, rage bait, slop, like most channels
This is so amazing to see that MBMM shaker table as part of this incredible separation/recovery system! As owner of the MBMMLLC trademark and manufacturer of the table, it must give you a real sense of pride and accomplishment that it's such an integral part of such a vast and sophisticated system. And it's in FRANCE, of all places! Well done, Jason.
guess what, its still going to landfills - they are taking out 10% of the metal , creating a incredible amount of micro and nano plastics and putting it into the local area, with chemicals and wasted energy - then putting 90% back in a landfill
Very likely subsidized but I would also like to know what the full economic and environmental trade-offs are of this operation versus mining and land-filling discarded products.
He enver said how much if anything he buys the bags of stuff for.. But he says he goes through 25 tonnes a week. and he gets 100 Kgs of metalics per tonne.. so he would get around 2500kgs (2.5 tonne) worth of metalics per week. and he gets paid for copper at approx 8000 euro per tonne. so in a perfect world he would get 20000 euro per week.. Would be intersting to know how much he actually gets on average per tonne of their metalics after they take the degrading amount off..
When Jason showed the rating plaque on the motor, I had to pause just to look at the current supply requirements. The LOWEST number on the list was 252 amps, which is an ungodly amount of power.
@@stasi0238 Prior to the metric system (so over 200 years ago now) France used traditional measurements like feet and inches that were slightly longer than the units of the same name in English-speaking countries. It really only matters when you're reading about how tall French historical figures were. This was never the case for electrical units, but that's the joke.
At 6:04, when the subtitle says "pump table (unknown)" it sounds like he's saying "pump table (d'en haute)" which is "from above" in French Very informative video, cheers
Cool tour Jason. I've got a feeling this company's going to expand a great deal in the next 2 or 3 years when they find more sources of materials to recycle.
its likely not profitable on its own - its likely subsidized . Plus we are'nt likely accounting for the pollution from the mico/nano plastics , and chemicals pouring into our environment from this
I ran and also built new asphalt plant out of old parts of plants and such etc an . The dust collector called a baghouse had 300 hp motor to run a 2,600 lb steel squirrel cage fan on a 5” solid shaft at 3600 rpm lol that thing would dim the lights within a 1/4 mile on surge startup before we put the three stage soft start on it . The money they saved was crazy just by starting two big motors softly . . Anything 50hp and under we just did hot startup . But the big guys need those soft starts .
Love the slow motion shots of the number 1 coming off the tables 👍🏼👍🏼 the ‘World Renowned’ MBMM Shaker table! Did you ever think your table had so many uses when you first made them?
Hand sorting and dismantling is best for small business maybe a crocodile shear and power tools . Big outlay for all that equipment .great tour very informative. Great.
You should try running the #1 on another shaker table set up to separate the materials further. It might make financial sense for them to get a second table to better recover their pay materials.
Gold is around $85/gram spot price, so it's less for even a very good concentrate. Let's be pessimistic and say they can only get a concentrate that is worth $75/gram. They claim to have 10g/ton, which makes for $750/ton. This must be per ton of high grade no. 1 concentrate, otherwise they would have five times as much in that concentrate and it would be clearly worth separating the gold (almost worth selling to a good refiner instead of a copper refiner). So if they have 25T/wk of input, they could have $18,750/wk in gold values. That should be able to pay for additional equipment pretty quickly. Jason said that the tables are limited by the amount of heavy metals, but I'll have to go and back-reference his other videos to see if they have enough precision to separate gold from a high-density concentrate that has so much copper. I think they can. Based on their system throughout and types of concentrates, they might even benefit from combining the no. 1 and no. 2 concentrates during this second shaker table run. This could help them separate their copper and aluminum fractions, increasing their yield and payout on copper. Even if they don't run them together, they could alternate or batch run each concentrate separately, with the same table setup and tuning, and improve their yields that way. I can see how it's not worth their time to re-process their concentrates on their current single table due to setup time and re-tuning. Depending on how difficult it was to dial in, it might be worthwhile for them to try a re-run on their current table to validate that buying a second one is worthwhile. The other consideration here is which parts of their system are the limitation on throughput. If the shaker table is the limitation, and they have enough capacity elsewhere, it would be a better capital investment to put a second shaker table in doing their current method instead of separating the gold. Doubling their throughout is doubling their weekly revenue, compared to the gold which might increase it by 15%. Great stuff as always, thanks Jason!
@@haphazard1342 your math is off by an order of magnitude, since you forgot that the n.1 concentrate is only 10% of the original input. Assuming they would be able to actually concentrate the gold to any usable purity, 1800$/week is probably barely enough to pay for the ongoing costs of operating it...
Thank you Jason, this system is a hugh answer to solving an important issue. I hope you and your company, become more involved in having this total system there in the USA ..
That really sucks that they don't get paid for the gold/silver values!! Hopefully they can come up with a process to at least get some of the gold for themselves! Great video, Jason. Thumbs up! Jim
aww, thanks for this new year's post, you two...un moyen projet, vous autres...I want one of their plants, too, Jason...yeah...good fetch, bud!...un moyen plaisir vous entretiendre, vous autres...full advance, you two!...sympos avant pis tout!
The shower curtain is just a splash guard lol I noticed that too, for all the crazy sophisticated equipment there were lots of those little makeshift details. The paperclips holding the fraction separating chutes 😂
Wow, this really is incredible. The metallic recovery is one thing, but being able to separate the carbon fiber from the resin is going to be a huge thing in the very near future, and it's great to see MBMM being part of the process, even if it's just paying for the bills for running a pilot plant by recovering the metallics. Thanks for sharing Jason ... 🙂
Really awesome video! And great tour. What a nice system! Would it be possible to re-run the number one with a differently set up shaker table to split the gold and silver from the copper? Or would that not be profitable at this rate?
That's very interesting, I thought an industrial recycling center would use a more chemical approach to separate the materials, but it's kinda funny to see that it's basically a more integrated and scaled up version of your setup. Very enlightening video.
for the next video, show where those bags GO, and a full large scale smelting place that can do alot of metal type separations, would be cool to see that as well. we see small smelting alot like you have shown, ever get a chance to show a large scale smelter place, that can do all kinds of metals, i dont recall ever seeing such a place on video done before
Im new to shaker tables but how does the #2 have both aluminum and lead in it? The weight difference of those two metals are totally opposite. Around 13:00 minutes into the video
I may not agree with Francis politics but when it comes to recycling, I love it. That’s a good model that should be done across the whole world. I applaud them.
Great video on a very important issue. Thanks for the step by step breakdown of the recycling process. This entire operation looks like it could be a very expensive. Does it require government subsidy to make it truly profitable?
Thanks for sharing, neat to see different equipment but the same methods really as gold for other metals. Take a peek inside their interesting mill there? ;p
That website link for mob-e-scrap is... not the right one hahaha. Did they close up shop? It's near Oyonnax, did you wander in the mountains for any gold stuff ? I happen to live close and pass through there quite a bit. Would love some gold mine exploration US style at home lol.
A recommendation for the company operating this system. Contact the company Hamos GmbH in Germany. Send them a sample of your material and ask them to run it through one of their electrostatic separators. Maybe this could be a good addition to your setup.
Really cool! I'm surprised they don't run the copper over another shaker which has been tuned to separate some gold. Obviously the plated stuff won't come out that way, but bond wires probably would.
Nice to visit your customers and see how they run their business. Thanks for sharing!! Could they recover the gold from the copper with another shakertable or is that impossible? 10 gram per ton is alot if this is daily business. 1kg of cold per 100 tons!!
10:05 In mills were I have worked .. we all that "Clarified Water" .. 90% of the water that the plant needs could be Recycled / Clarified water! A HUGE savings!!
I would love to have seen you pan some of the Fraction 1 material for gold to see if that 10 gramme per tonne figure is valid. I can't help thinking they may be missing a trick.
He vaguely answered that. He said they want to build an electrolyzer to purify the copper (which is their main produce), and the reject of that operation would maybe contain more concentrated gold that they could try to harvest.
Very nice operation and glad to hear they plan to remove the precious from the copper in future, at 10g/Au per ton that seems like it would be worth it not to mention all the platinum, silver etc that will be in there too.
Thank you for making actual content in the real world about something that you're passionate about and not just more low effort, rage bait, slop, like most channels
Rage bait 😂
And not fake AI click bait.
This is so amazing to see that MBMM shaker table as part of this incredible separation/recovery system! As owner of the MBMMLLC trademark and manufacturer of the table, it must give you a real sense of pride and accomplishment that it's such an integral part of such a vast and sophisticated system. And it's in FRANCE, of all places! Well done, Jason.
Thank you Jason for taking us along on your tour.
Good ideas for recycling what would normally wind up in the landfills!
No true but they usually use Chemicals to extract the metals, so using the shaker table is more environmentally friendly and more cost effective
guess what, its still going to landfills - they are taking out 10% of the metal , creating a incredible amount of micro and nano plastics and putting it into the local area, with chemicals and wasted energy - then putting 90% back in a landfill
Excellent video Jason thanks for sharing this with us six stars brother
I know many are reluctant to talk about it, but I would be highly interested in the economics of operations like these that you highlight.
Very likely subsidized but I would also like to know what the full economic and environmental trade-offs are of this operation versus mining and land-filling discarded products.
He enver said how much if anything he buys the bags of stuff for.. But he says he goes through 25 tonnes a week. and he gets 100 Kgs of metalics per tonne.. so he would get around 2500kgs (2.5 tonne) worth of metalics per week. and he gets paid for copper at approx 8000 euro per tonne. so in a perfect world he would get 20000 euro per week.. Would be intersting to know how much he actually gets on average per tonne of their metalics after they take the degrading amount off..
Welcome to our country Jason !
I've been watching your content for a while now, I've learned a lot, thanks
Every thing about your videos is fantastic. You’re a true pro and humanitarian. Love and thanks.
When Jason showed the rating plaque on the motor, I had to pause just to look at the current supply requirements. The LOWEST number on the list was 252 amps, which is an ungodly amount of power.
@@dionh70 those are French amps
@@danonly7What does that mean lol.
I saw that too.
1/4 mega watt, that's quite a bit. lol
@@stasi0238 Prior to the metric system (so over 200 years ago now) France used traditional measurements like feet and inches that were slightly longer than the units of the same name in English-speaking countries. It really only matters when you're reading about how tall French historical figures were. This was never the case for electrical units, but that's the joke.
At 6:04, when the subtitle says "pump table (unknown)" it sounds like he's saying "pump table (d'en haute)" which is "from above" in French
Very informative video, cheers
That's a really interesting walkthrough, thank you for sharing
Very impressive system. Thank you for sharing this technology with us. 😊
I've seen a few of these that you've done.And this has to be one of the most thorough fast setups.I've scene you film so far
Great video. I love the recycling.
This slow mo shots from the table are so beautiful. 😍👍
Cool tour Jason. I've got a feeling this company's going to expand a great deal in the next 2 or 3 years when they find more sources of materials to recycle.
That’s cool to see your table in use by others!!
I would use it 😂
Thank you for posting this Jason I was recycling like 15 years ago and a set up like this would really improved my operation !
Fantastic process.
Awesome to see recycling be profitable.
its likely not profitable on its own - its likely subsidized . Plus we are'nt likely accounting for the pollution from the mico/nano plastics , and chemicals pouring into our environment from this
So cool to see them save materials and put sweat equity into not wasting! Also very cool of him to explain in such detail everything!
I ran and also built new asphalt plant out of old parts of plants and such etc an . The dust collector called a baghouse had 300 hp motor to run a 2,600 lb steel squirrel cage fan on a 5” solid shaft at 3600 rpm lol that thing would dim the lights within a 1/4 mile on surge startup before we put the three stage soft start on it . The money they saved was crazy just by starting two big motors softly . . Anything 50hp and under we just did hot startup . But the big guys need those soft starts .
Tip to make the on-screen text easier to read: The outline/border should be behind the filled letters, not in front.
Thanks for the subtitles!
Absolutely fascinating, thanks for sharing this. Gives me some hope for the future
Loved this video always here about recycling metales good to see how it's put into use
I wasn't that stoked when I saw the title of the video but this was totally awesome!! Those guys are doing amazing work 🌞
We need more of this in America. Mom and Pop type operations , not big corporations.
Love the slow motion shots of the number 1 coming off the tables 👍🏼👍🏼 the ‘World Renowned’ MBMM Shaker table! Did you ever think your table had so many uses when you first made them?
Hand sorting and dismantling is best for small business maybe a crocodile shear and power tools . Big outlay for all that equipment .great tour very informative. Great.
Great presentation on the roadworks to alchemy recycling.
Cool stuff. France is smart enough to burn the wastes!
You should try running the #1 on another shaker table set up to separate the materials further. It might make financial sense for them to get a second table to better recover their pay materials.
Gold is around $85/gram spot price, so it's less for even a very good concentrate. Let's be pessimistic and say they can only get a concentrate that is worth $75/gram. They claim to have 10g/ton, which makes for $750/ton. This must be per ton of high grade no. 1 concentrate, otherwise they would have five times as much in that concentrate and it would be clearly worth separating the gold (almost worth selling to a good refiner instead of a copper refiner). So if they have 25T/wk of input, they could have $18,750/wk in gold values. That should be able to pay for additional equipment pretty quickly.
Jason said that the tables are limited by the amount of heavy metals, but I'll have to go and back-reference his other videos to see if they have enough precision to separate gold from a high-density concentrate that has so much copper. I think they can.
Based on their system throughout and types of concentrates, they might even benefit from combining the no. 1 and no. 2 concentrates during this second shaker table run. This could help them separate their copper and aluminum fractions, increasing their yield and payout on copper. Even if they don't run them together, they could alternate or batch run each concentrate separately, with the same table setup and tuning, and improve their yields that way. I can see how it's not worth their time to re-process their concentrates on their current single table due to setup time and re-tuning. Depending on how difficult it was to dial in, it might be worthwhile for them to try a re-run on their current table to validate that buying a second one is worthwhile.
The other consideration here is which parts of their system are the limitation on throughput. If the shaker table is the limitation, and they have enough capacity elsewhere, it would be a better capital investment to put a second shaker table in doing their current method instead of separating the gold. Doubling their throughout is doubling their weekly revenue, compared to the gold which might increase it by 15%.
Great stuff as always, thanks Jason!
I was thinking the same thing and with a second run though a table I would think they could increase their thru put too
@@haphazard1342 your math is off by an order of magnitude, since you forgot that the n.1 concentrate is only 10% of the original input. Assuming they would be able to actually concentrate the gold to any usable purity, 1800$/week is probably barely enough to pay for the ongoing costs of operating it...
Thank you Jason, this system is a hugh answer to solving an important issue. I hope you and your company, become more involved in having this total system there in the USA ..
Sweet video Jason!!!
That's a great operation they have going. Good luck to you both.
Happy New Year! Thank you, and keep working.
bienvenue en France!
One of my favorite videos of yours
That really sucks that they don't get paid for the gold/silver values!! Hopefully they can come up with a process to at least get some of the gold for themselves! Great video, Jason. Thumbs up! Jim
aww, thanks for this new year's post, you two...un moyen projet, vous autres...I want one of their plants, too, Jason...yeah...good fetch, bud!...un moyen plaisir vous entretiendre, vous autres...full advance, you two!...sympos avant pis tout!
Amazing proces!
Water filter is a shower curtain? ❤ Use what you can! Great process and content.
The shower curtain is just a splash guard lol I noticed that too, for all the crazy sophisticated equipment there were lots of those little makeshift details. The paperclips holding the fraction separating chutes 😂
tape engineering at its finest!
Wow, this really is incredible.
The metallic recovery is one thing, but being able to separate the carbon fiber from the resin is going to be a huge thing in the very near future, and it's great to see MBMM being part of the process, even if it's just paying for the bills for running a pilot plant by recovering the metallics.
Thanks for sharing Jason ... 🙂
Really awesome video! And great tour. What a nice system! Would it be possible to re-run the number one with a differently set up shaker table to split the gold and silver from the copper? Or would that not be profitable at this rate?
Really nice dust collection system. Dust explosions are no joke especially when the dust is metal based.
Interesting video thank you
Thanks from Australia
Thanks Jason 👍
That's very interesting, I thought an industrial recycling center would use a more chemical approach to separate the materials, but it's kinda funny to see that it's basically a more integrated and scaled up version of your setup. Very enlightening video.
This whole deal is to remove all the junk before the chemicals sreetips style on the number 1 concentrates
Quite the elaborate system. And you sold them a table! Congrats! Hard (for me) to see how the economy of all that gear works out.
Great to see ❤
Thats really cool. I would love to work at a place like this.
for the next video, show where those bags GO, and a full large scale smelting place that can do alot of metal type separations, would be cool to see that as well. we see small smelting alot like you have shown, ever get a chance to show a large scale smelter place, that can do all kinds of metals, i dont recall ever seeing such a place on video done before
@16:29 could the #1 be sent over the table a second time?
ИНТЕРЕСНО,УДАЧИ !!!
Super cool video.
That small setup is impressive. would like to know more about that 0.25MW delaminator dodad
I love these system videos.
16:43 Couldnt they just run it again on the shaker table since:
Gold › Density 19.3 g/cm³
Copper › Density 8.96 g/cm³
Aluminium › Density 2.7 g/cm³
would probably need a second table to run the first grade, or will be pain in the butt to adjust it for each run.
And what point they make profit if they run it again?
Besides gold in electronics needs to be dissolved. You won't find any nuggets.
@@XtreeM_FaiL yeah like he said. It can only really be done with electrolysis
Im new to shaker tables but how does the #2 have both aluminum and lead in it? The weight difference of those two metals are totally opposite. Around 13:00 minutes into the video
who smelts the products and what uses of this finished products.
I may not agree with Francis politics but when it comes to recycling, I love it. That’s a good model that should be done across the whole world. I applaud them.
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing! Anyone in Tucson help find the gold?
Awesome!!!
Very interesting 😊
Thanks very cool
Very cool!!
Now thats the quantity i want to see. Niiiice
Thats just fricken awesome
The cables to the motor seem to pass through the flange without any cable glands.
Are they able to buy raw material to run 8 hour days or are they struggling to find enough?
This is how every electronic device should be recycled.
there is a reason they are not - imagine the microplastics released - let alone the chemicals
In the future this will be seen as dirty as coal plants
That was very interesting..Cheers!!..
Great video on a very important issue. Thanks for the step by step breakdown of the recycling process. This entire operation looks like it could be a very expensive. Does it require government subsidy to make it truly profitable?
is there any other use case for the non metallic swarf? like brick making or "concrete" style use besides just burning it?
I believe there is no money behind this in panel recycling, if we could do it while making money it would be done for our waste products
Thanks for sharing, neat to see different equipment but the same methods really as gold for other metals. Take a peek inside their interesting mill there? ;p
Great video
Funny why not take out the gold and silver but yeah cool setup 👍 i was thinking about this kind of set up. love the vids keep it up Jason
Is the "cyclonater" essentially a huge jet mill?
Very cool, would be interested in where the bottlenecks are in the system. Could you feed 2 of these systems into 1 table maybe?
Nice to see this kind of waist getting Recycled.
That website link for mob-e-scrap is... not the right one hahaha. Did they close up shop?
It's near Oyonnax, did you wander in the mountains for any gold stuff ? I happen to live close and pass through there quite a bit. Would love some gold mine exploration US style at home lol.
The French guy says Aluminum and the American says Aluminium😂
The UK in Australia pronounce it completely different aluminum
Thought it was Alamenium with how the french pronounced it
La Aluminum
Cool, how much do they need to scale up?
run fraction 1 again on other table and seperate copper into nr 2, nr 1 smelt gold and silver, 3 others,4 alluminium.
Awesome to see how your one component can fit in to a workflow!
It's ALL mining.
There's money in E-waste!
Fantastic!
A recommendation for the company operating this system.
Contact the company Hamos GmbH in Germany. Send them a sample of your material and ask them to run it through one of their electrostatic separators. Maybe this could be a good addition to your setup.
that is so cool nice to see.
Really cool! I'm surprised they don't run the copper over another shaker which has been tuned to separate some gold. Obviously the plated stuff won't come out that way, but bond wires probably would.
Beats the boots off of drilling and blasting, hey Jason? LOL
Would love to know more about the fractionator. The 250KW sounds like huge overkill, for 16KG/minute?
Set a shaker table at the end of concentrate nr 1!
Hey, just a heads up I think the link to the mob-e-scrap website in the description might be broken... some interesting stuff on there for sure 😅!
So is that shovel nearly all copper??
Nice to visit your customers and see how they run their business. Thanks for sharing!! Could they recover the gold from the copper with another shakertable or is that impossible? 10 gram per ton is alot if this is daily business. 1kg of cold per 100 tons!!
10:05 In mills were I have worked .. we all that "Clarified Water" .. 90% of the water that the plant needs could be Recycled / Clarified water! A HUGE savings!!
I would love to have seen you pan some of the Fraction 1 material for gold to see if that 10 gramme per tonne figure is valid. I can't help thinking they may be missing a trick.
He vaguely answered that. He said they want to build an electrolyzer to purify the copper (which is their main produce), and the reject of that operation would maybe contain more concentrated gold that they could try to harvest.
Always enjoy your recycling videos and Loved this Jason but it bodes the question why is there no company in US doing this? Or is there?
Do they give an idea the cost to set up
Very nice operation and glad to hear they plan to remove the precious from the copper in future, at 10g/Au per ton that seems like it would be worth it not to mention all the platinum, silver etc that will be in there too.
Yeah, they're getting flat out ripped off by the smelter.