Epic GT-S Torque Test! Vs Floatwheel, SuperFlux, GT & Pint-X
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- #onewheel #floatwheel #vesc
Here it is, the Onewheel GT-S uphill torque test VS Floatwheel ADV Pro, Fugineers SuperFlux, GT and Pint-X! The results may shock you..
This is the most comprehensive hill test I've done. Includes smooth and rutty hills ranging from 17°-32° slopes, standing vs running start, 4 ride modes and 4 different riders ranging from 80-175lbs.
This is not a representation of the GT-S's speed performance, only uphill torque
The average slope of the chill hill is 17°/30.6% grade, beast hill is 26°/50% grade, steepest part is 32°/62.5%
Highlights:
00:00 intro
1:03 OG chill hill test
3:19 preface - I'm rooting for the GT-S!
4:51 GT-S round 1
5:47 theory why GT-S lacks power
6:39 GT round 1
8:11 Floatwheel round 1
10:52 Pint-X
11:02 80lb kids trying GT-S
13:11 Kids review GT-S torque
14:07 Superflux round 1
16:21 Final results and closing thoughts
19:33 Hail Mary custom settings!
21:49 which board is your favorite??
Where to get your next board:
Pre-assembled boards:
www.floatwheel.com
www.onewheel.com
DIY board:
www.makerspev.com/?aff=3 - 'Lil Focer' VESC controller
www.fungineers.us - for SuperFlux motor, Thunder Rails, BMS and more
www.floatboxx.com - Aluminum controller box
www.theboardgarage.com - Custom performance battery packs and BMSs - Розваги
Thank you Max. That was a very entertaining video. It must be mentioned here for people who haven't seen the previous videos that the Superflux was limited to 150A (I think) but it can actually handle way more than that, just like you showed in your first video, it can bomb that hill like its nobody's business. 2nd point is that the Superflux has the smallest battery out of the 3! A good comparison would be with a 20S 84V battery powering the Superflux.
And lastly, the Superflux is built to be the fastest motor out of the box compared to all other wheels, so to gain that extra speed, you have to lose some torque. Interesting video nonetheless and an amazing service to the community ❤
I was about to say something very similar. Haven’t tried the floatwheel yet but the SuperFlux would eat that hill very easily even at 75.6v (at least that’s my experience). Specially if you use it to its full potential. Some friends bought the ADV Pro, after trying it out I’ll have a real opinion but so far SuperFlux is the way to go on so many levels. Without trying the ADV I would say FloatWheel wins on the easy assembling but performance wise the SuperFlux exceeded all my expectations. Anyway, thank you very much for what you do for the community 🙏🏼
Is your vesc controller coming out soon will be able to saturate the superflux? What would be a motor saturation current for the superflux?
@@wayofflow955 in the fungjneere vesc, we can practically have max current set to 300!! But we would advise people to set it to 250 ;)
@@Fungineers that is awesome! 👏 are you guys making a 20s2p 2170 battery box solution?
@@Fungineersis that 250 motor amps or battery amps ?
aw I wish I saw this before paying 3200$😢
Hell yeah Tony, loving my adv Pro ✌️
I figured you'd still want one for research purposes 👀
@floatwheel it’s so disappointing how bad the american rip-off of the adv performs here.
@@EryktionBWAHAHAHAHA!
@@jaefrmbk2k yep gonna do a gts analysis video on it
Dude you did it! You convinced FM to add ATR to the s series. Im giving you big credit for Influencing them! Now you gotta re try this hill with their new firmware haha
Very informative Maxx. And very fair assessment. Competition is good, and breeds innovation, but should also lower costs due to price competitiveness ....especially with these results.
Honestly, this went exactly how I expected based off the GTS motor connector alone. You can't deliver amps to the motor efficiently with a plug that small. This is a result of what i like to call "partial innovation," and it is annoying.
Nonetheless, I'm rocking with my 75v Superflux! Trail GOAT fr. Great vid my man!
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yea and that and the 1p battery dealing with very high current draws of almost stalled motor means a lot of that 100+ volts never making it to the motor. The GT-S really is meant for speed and short bursts of torque at low speed and not much else.
They thought they were going to get everybody with a high voltage number
I mean basic understanding of batteries and electricity shows that higher voltage allows you to send the same power over smaller wires. Basic science.
@@ehylton89 Source?
@@nathanofearthh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_loss, Power lost to heating= R*I^2
and with Power = current*voltage, If you increase voltage, you can reduce the current draw and therefore reduce I^2R losses exponentially. That said a battery designed for the wrong function and a choke point like that connector can work together to drop enough voltage that you're worse off then just running a lower voltage with a higher continuous current capacity.
Amazing video, as always! So much information 😊
Chismositaa lol appreciate ur support as always💓 Now are u team diy vesc or floatwheel? 🤪
Future Motion becomes Past Motion 😂
Love my ADV Pro 🚀
The adv is my favorite board now! Never lookin back 😊
Future motion is definitely scared of Floatwheel, on all their social media you can comment about all the problems with the wires on a pint x and every other problems but if you mention Floatwheel you get permanently banned and only you can see your comments.
Awesome vid homie. Great comparison 🙌🏾 I think I’m ordering a floatwheel.
Great video Maxx. Well done. You're making me think even harder now. Lol😊
Thx man that makes my day! Love to help inform and also conflict thoughts too😆 Adv is my favorite board. Depends on your riding still, but if you're lookin for all around performance and moderately easy startup effort, Floatwheel is hands down the best floating experience you will have right now.
Aw man, the funniest comment during the chat is gone. Someone said “Kyle just threw all the papers off the desk”😂.
bahaha I laughed too loud at that. I think Kyle hacked in and deleted it 😆it's still in the chat replay I believe
😄
It was me ;)
@@MaxxSendhe better not be deleting my comments!
Mr bennet would like a word
I'm back, me too lol
@@MaxxSendthis all seems misleading to me bc you’re taking the worst line up this hill
Trail magnets just drop a video showing the GT-S went up that same hill you couldn’t with the GT-S with only 1% battery left. What’s up with that, riding skill ?
did you not see them with a hefty head start?
it doesn't matter.
if you need to have pro level skill to get up the hill with a gt-s then it's not that strong. these " low skill" riders got up there with other boards.
This sums up what I've been feeling for the last 6 months. Some guys ride the board with finesse and style and linear speed. Some guys want to break about the top speed. They hit on concrete. And some guys want to just see what board can strictly climb up at the steep Hill. I am more in the group of racing and maintaining speed and handling. So I'm not really hip 2 making a board. Just do all the work. that being said, it seems to me. The float wheel may not hang with the smooth linear flow of a good rider and gt or g.t.s.... I would like to see really good riders on all of these boards. Riding the way hardcore trail riders ride not just setting goals for steepest hills.
Looks like Neil Bennett debunked this video! 🤣🤣
With max nose tilt custom shaping. Both VESC boards did it with zero shaping you can literally climb any terrain and just roll on like normal. Yeah gotta say for 3.5K that’s a L.
@@Zetler “both VESC boards did it with zero shaping” are you joking? VESCs are only rideable by tweaking the “shaping” or importing someone else’s tune.
@@laurentbeauregard4666 Yes, they're riding a tune. Not a shape. Once you have that tune loaded. You just go! Thats just like Apex or Elevate. You don't ride Nicole Fast and Flow tune, get to a hill, then change the god damn nose tilt up, then increase the aggression of the board just so it'll be able to climb a simple hill. Look at all VSEC climb videos, nobody does this. They just GO. This bullshit where you have to move the dots around meticulously just to achieve the mundane is for FM boards. At 3.5K for a GTS its just stupid.
@@Zetler but you’re ignoring the part where if you don’t like someone else’s tune, you have to know all of the values and what they do. FM just gave users a limited version of that ability in a way the average consumer can understand. Also not a crazy simple hill, non Maxx guy couldn’t even climb it on a VESC.
I promise you I could get up this hill in one shaping without adjusting it (my choice would be apex). If you want to cover the cost of gas for me to drive to San Jose from Chico, I’ll do it. If I can’t do it I’ll give you $20.
I got nothing for the price tag, that shit is ridiculous.
there's definitely some debunking to be cleared ua-cam.com/video/zUOf9Fa3Vk4/v-deo.html
LOVE my cannoncore and floatwheel
the thing is a beast! my favorite board too
I was waiting for this video! Great job!
I bought the ADV and can't wait for it to arrive.
By the way, SuperFlux is great and powerful even though the voltage is low.
I just watched someone crushed that hill on a GTS series
we went back at it too, starting from 16% down to 1% ua-cam.com/video/zUOf9Fa3Vk4/v-deo.html
fw seems real promising. i look forward to seeing how the quality stands up over time. hopefully they bring some real competition to fm.
I'm getting a floatwheel for next summer.. if it can't handle rough terrain and bails in rocks then I'll figure it out fast :) I'm pretty confident it can with sone custom bang bumpers, life savers etc. My only concern is the float wheels plastic shell.. the rest us as bomber if not more I water.
Very cool. Thanks for the videos. Just goes to prove how powerful atr is. Sure you could sit there and stop and try and find the ideal settings at the base every hill with the GT-s but at that point you’re spending more time “tuning” than most vesc riders 😅😅
DEAD ON.
Just realized you had a Brodie Smith tank on, looks like I've found another disc golf/floatlife combo enjoyer 😅
Great comparison testing! What type of footwear you wearing Maxx? Looks like a comfortable boot/ sneaker style.
Cant wait
Thanks for the shoutout, i owe ya 5$. Perhaps what we're seeing is the shortcomings of the 1p battery.
no prob man, I was really hoping that the gts would do better.. on paper your calcumalations sounded good! 😄shortcomings of battery and also amps limitations. just get me a coffee next time👊
Heck yeaaah definitely saving up for a floatwheel yewww
I think you should have tried some custom shaping 3.0 tweaks - they DO make some drastic changes. What tune were you using on the FW and Superflux?
we did, watch at the end where Eamon decided to maxx out apex in all custom (+3nose,+5A, +5DR) and gts did do a bit better. but still tended to nose dip on uphill ruts more than gt. I believe the tunes were Hannes' all around as a base tune.
I will preface this comment that after seeing this video I’m actually considering a FW. That being said, attempt #2 on the FW shows that this hill takes finesse to get up.
As an FM fanboy, I concede that the FW is better at this. FM boards take a little extra finesse too. However, I think the S could’ve gone a little bit higher. Thanks for sharing!
Just watched someone crush that second hill like nothing on one percent on the GTS series
The dude is a onewheel shill who is paid to endorse their products. They have better form than Maxx, as they are sponsored OW racers and could probably get up the hill after a lot of practice, but there is a 0% chance I'd believe that it is on 1% battery, especially with no evidence at all. Regardless, the ability to go up the hill with both the superflux and the adv, without being a pro racer, just shows how far behind Future Motion is compared to the drastically cheaper and more transparent competition
I agree, but I also think you don't have to be a pro Racer to have better form than you were showing.
just came back from overseas and we went at it at 1% too starting from 16%. You decide for yourself ua-cam.com/video/zUOf9Fa3Vk4/v-deo.html
I ain't a paid pro, but I don't think my hill climbing abilities are terrible. We went back at this hill with gts at 1% too, starting from 16%. You decide ua-cam.com/video/zUOf9Fa3Vk4/v-deo.html
Good shit 😎
Please do a video about range and speed test
🙏🙏🙏🙏 Everybody is waiting for that!
TFL just posted a vid on that :) I may do a scientific range vid at a later date too
That Brody Smith tank ..... 🐎
disc golf n wheelin baby yee perfect slogan for this vid lol
Nice review. Thank you!
That was to be expected to be honest. A dude on IG showed a nose dive at 55 kph (35mph). With a vesc and an 80V battery you can already reach that, which means that FM did exactly the same as before, namely restricting the current output of the battery through the BMS. It was 30A before, now it's a bit higher but current and torque being linear, it shows clear limitation when climbing where torque is needed.
It's a win/win for FM. They can brag through marketing that they have a powerful board because of 113V, getting also a fast board at low battery level, and having a better cost control, since the battery has less cells now with a 1P configuration, but as soon as you scratch the varnish, you see the ugly stuff.
It's crazy to think that a simple XR conversion to Vesc, with a 19S2P performs better than this board.
I am surprised how many people bought it? Good advertising I guess!
I can confirm as you know that a vesc v1 with a stock battery performs better than the gts if it's running vesc ( obviously not much range though)
So what I saw on a float life video is that the GT-S has a foot pad delay feature that if you don't use it the GT-S just cuts right out on any drop. So it could be that.
So another reason for that might be that at low speeds there is less back EMF so current draw will be much higher, and with the GT-S being a 1p battery its internal resistance might drop the voltage at those high current draws leaving you with less power to the motor then the GT. On launch it doesn't matter as much because motor speeds ramp up quickly reducing current draw before bat chemistry can cause a problem.
FW has molicel batteries which put out A LOT of amps, what are the OW GTS and Pint X running?
GTS MOLICEL P45B, PINT X is VTC6, BOTH VERY GOOD CELLS， cant blame the battery, motor size too smol
Some pint x are coming with 30Q 💀
I love your direct comparison videos, I'm definetly gonna stick with Vesc ing my xr, 3200 is way too much money for having normal XR range. If the thing went 50 miles I could maybe justify it
Or 40 mph
Or maybe at least 30?
yeah I feel like less than 30 and it becomes a toy, you cant really go anywhere on it, at least where I live
@@officia.liam69
Floatwheel all the way!
Yee yee! The ladies agreed too😁
Is this v1 or v2 cannon core?
v2 baby! still super punchy
That GT/GT-S humm is annoying.
Unrelated but, what velcro vans are those?!
haha they're moto sneaker boots. Discontinued sadly!
Glad I went with the FW. I really care about torque as a bigger guy and I figured the GTS wouldn’t perform that much better than a GT without more upgrades in the motor
False info my guy. This hill is very doable on GTS
@thewheelneil1379 as we can totally see in this video..
@nikolaszulca991 look for more videos. I've done this hill myself, as have others.
Was ATR on or off? This is a very important piece of the comparison if we are talking torque specifically and not the comparison of torque and software. I do wish we had ATR on FM products.
Atr was on. But we also put the gt-s in elevated and it did just as bad. We also did custom in the end with max aggression, max dynamic responsiveness and nose tilt +3 (which isn't good riding settings), yet still barely improved. With the additional nose clearance for gt-s with nose lifted it simulates aspects of atr as well. You gotta realize that it's the amps being limited by fm, hence the haptic buzzing and beeps.
Yeah I’m going VESC I’m over all the FM B.S.
you'll love it. I haven't looked back. thought I may be intrigued by gts but nope.
Nice one Max! 🤙 Vescolution is here! and I'll be joining real soon! 🤩 I'm sure an 84v superflux would smash it! 😎
The magnets in the GTS are 17% stronger than the magnets in the GT, but the GT stator is wound to produce 20% stronger magnetic field per amp than the GTS. These 2 effects nearly cancel out but slightly favor the GT. At higher speeds, this trade-off benefits the GTS with its higher voltage.
So what would happen if you put a GT stator in a GTS ?
@@Reedith torque would be even worse.
Retards w no helmets.... half ass riding but still
The pint, gt, and gtx all use the same size stator and core. Their motors are identical to each other. The float wheels stator and rotor is twice as large. That is what gives you the power needed to climb hills. Future motion needs to step up the quality for 3k.
Are you running the same psi in all board? I am disappointed at the gts, base on the battery configuration it should have done little better. Gts can’t handle heavy amp requirements when going uphill and some bumps, it’s good for smooth trail. I think I would want to ride 12s3p compare to 27s1p, much safer!
More volts doensn't equal more amps though. The battery configuration doensn't make sense if they want to call this an uphill board.
Too bad I don’t have any smooth trails nearby 😅😅. Goofy ahh 6.5” to boot
You gonna pay 3.5K to ride smooth trails?
@@Zetler 💯
all was roughly 16psi. we were all also disappointed in the gts, was hoping to be at least twice as good as gt on the big hill on standard ride modes. I mean $3200! floatwheel and diy boards have exponentially more torque, go 30+mph, range of 25-35miles and cost $1800-2000. ludicrous price for what you get of gts
The vesc with the superflux was also in its highest ride setting giving it more clearance
correct higher by about 0.5 inches, but floatwheel's tire is also bigger diameter than the superflux's trail pro by about 0.5 inches. nearly identical clearance.
@@MaxxSend the lighter, smaller diameter tire will result in more torque. I have a Trail Slayer on my ADV
Why did you limit the amps on the super flux ??
cuz in my superflux vs floatwheel test people were saying I should've limited superflux to the same max amp as floatwheel for fair comparison. Totally slipped my mind that we should've maxxed it out for this vid. But check out this latest vid: King of the Hill, super flux at 150A, 75V is right on par with floatwheel! ua-cam.com/video/NyX6OjqEEbw/v-deo.html
So what would happen if you put a GT stator in a GTS hub on a GTS baors6
Why are you not mentioning the different tires and the effects? They have? Just curious.
because it's negligible. all tires are at 15psi. as long as psi is same and terrain is not slippery, it comes down to the board power, rider weight and skill. take the results how you like, we felt we could distinguish between the better performers.
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Where do you get the Superflux?
www.fungineers.us/products/superflux
just wait until vesc makes a controller that is compatible with the GTS series. It will be so nuts 113 V will totally unleash how it should be right now it just feels like the GT. Just wait till The open source makes a focer for the GT or the GTS it will be freaking ridiculous. It will be unbelievable.
I buy a floatweel or 2 floatweels for this money😂
Too much Haptic buzz and less cowbell. Ill continue to service my XR.
I wonder just how much this video contributed to FM coming out with gradient tracking!
I just realized your homies shoes double strap high top forces i have a pair of the sper rare green suedes love them especially on trails Vrap on brothers need to tell Brodie Smith Tattoo Tommy said send you some more dark horse gear lol im a 30+ year veteran disc golfer but now onewheel is what consumes my time...
Omg guys use remote tilt or high af nose angle. You can literally see the ADV tests aren't even surpassing 60 amps and you're slowing down because of nose angle.
@floatwheel.. brittle plastics solved?
shipping as we speaking
Might as well sell my XR and get a float wheel
it’s not the fact that it doesn’t have the power it’s that they didn’t put that good of magnets into the board which is unfortunate. And the amps dude. I truly believe that the board would be able to make it up that hill I bet it’s just software or something correct me if I’m wrong. The voltage is crazy if they had really good magnets, I bet it would be out of the park. The speed is really nice though being able to cruise at 22 and 23 is really nice, it’s opened up a lot, but they need to do better on those magnets for sure
Max I’ve ridden up that first hill on a XR but I had some speed and did it on an angle
Yep that hill is super chill with a running start. Try to do it from standing start tractor crawl, it will change things🤓 you can see not even the regular GT can do that, and gt-s can only do it in apex
@@MaxxSend ty so much max for this video! I’m convinced on the floatwheel! Love try that tractor crawl next time
FloaTWheel = FTW
Badaboom, nailed it!
I'm thinking they limit torque to prevent injuru honestly. The more torque the more dangerous the board is if you hop off wrong, why gts and gt perform pretry much same on hills
with the gt-s, I see you purposely touching the nose to the hill, but cool :D
Nah man we weren't purposely doing anything other than try to make it up with all boards.. As u can see from the first small hill warm up I was genuinely impressed gts made it up :)
@@MaxxSend ua-cam.com/video/8cIEljh3VKM/v-deo.html
Hello ,where I can buy a Superflux , thx ?
www.fungineers.us/products/superflux
Looks like the Superflux required more amps than the CannonCore
yes seems the cannoncore edges out superflux at the same amps. I cover this on the superflux set at 120A vid. But right now superflux can be set higher to 150A due to the lil focer having slightly higher current capacity than the fw controller. wait for gen 2 electronics for fw which will allow way more current too.
Immediately ordered a Superflux, heck FM, I'm going to try use parts from my XR for a VESC build. God help me.
You got this 👊
Once u build a vesc xr your floating sensation will be completely renewed to a whole different universe. Enjoy, you're welcome.
floatwheel is very impressive.
That close call on the downhill run got me. 🤣🤣
check out the latest vid, much more carnage lol ua-cam.com/video/NyX6OjqEEbw/v-deo.html
Is the tire pressure exactly the same in all boards?
Once I really rode FW myself, after calmed down from the excitement, the first thought was: oh man, GTS is pure and unadulterated money grab by FM. They took so much money from their customers for such miniscule improvements. The voltage increase seems just purely on paper for marketing rather than for real riding.
At this point I'm guessing that the GTs gives it's best in going high speed on streets, reaching comparable if not better max speed than a well tuned vesc
However, in any other compartment vescs may perform comparably if not better at a much better price
The adv seems to have better performances all over the board aside maybe max speed on pavement, while being almost half the price, which is ridiculous
WHERE YA'LL FM SIMPS AT?!?!?
They're lurking and proud
We can certainly depend on this channel for a good comparison test!
Until you see Neil’s reel from today 👀
@@onedadonewheel this notification popped up as i was watching it 😆😆
@onedadonewheel did Neil do a comparison test too? That would be badass, I gotta look this up.
That gt stuck on haptic is the worst thing ever
loll not 35mph 🤞🏾 mans just got dropped (ND) on a GTS@around 33mph on a speed test 😮
💀💀
The free spin on GTS is only 40 compared to the GT at 38 it's only 3 mph faster who knows how much safer it is near each ones top speed
sheesh! you got the link of this clip?
My main takeaway from this video is that ATR is freakin amazing! Shot up those hills like nobody's business! Kinda curious to see how the cannoncore and superflux handle going up that same hill without ATR. Who is truly the king of torque?
idk what you expect to happen... without ATR your nose hits the dirt and you're done - hard to test torque if you're stuck ;)
@@surfdado in the video Max was praising how powerful the cannoncore and superflux motors were, even though it seems like atr was the difference maker here. How do we properly compare these boards and their motors to the GT-S when they have that advantage?
@anthonym7281 I disagree, the gt and gts lost their power, it wasn't nose clearance. Now if they made it up higher to the steeper part then it might be a factor but they didn't have the power to make it that far.
Edit: well actually on most attempts it was nose clearance, that's why they made it further in 3degree nose up it seems.
clearance wasn't the issue, it was the gts nose was dipping on the bumps and also the motor stalling out. Regardless we tried to simulate ATR by using elevated mode and also lifting the nose 3 degrees to help with clearance - elevated did no better, +3 only helped with maxxing out aggression and dynamic responsiveness in custom and even then the power still gave out just a few feet higher. It comes down to the amps are being limited by the controller. Also, who wants to rip trails with +3 nose and elevated? 🤣"True king of torque" isn't relevant if you can't even ride the damn thing for all purposes🤷♂
@@MaxxSend ah okay, the lower amp limit on the gts explains it. Thanks for clearing that up!
my pint x goes up a hill twice that long every day im 210 pounds
So glad I didn't buy a gts!!!!!
When are folks going to learn that the only real upgrades FM has ever done is adding more batteries …. lol
I think they removed batteries for the gts right?
been watching for a while.. good content. Youve discovered the reality that the math and electrical theory already knew. Voltage is pressure, you need a greater pressure electrically in the same way you need it mechanically, to easier overcome a resistance or increase leverage to overcome traction co efficient ( theres a bunch of math to dtermine this also ) . AMPS are the flow of electrons through a conductor, this 8s where speed comes from.. volts are only going to spin and move a greater weight to a point., which is why you can ture spin and drift the gts at speed easy. Amps and windings are where youre getting speed and torque from. :)
Just get an euc already.. these inclines are easy climbs on my eucs..
I've given up on ows for anything demanding and just ride my ow on casual, chill rides these days and still enjoy ows in that use case.. but the performance of the gt-s is very underwhelming for the price compared to my eucs.. and the stoke I get riding eucs is greater than on ows magnified by the greater g forces and capabilities.. there are pros and cons to each.. just many more pros to eucs at this point..not saying you need to give up your sideways stance.. just saying consider being open to this other unique single wheeled self balancing pev alternative which after having a great deal of mileage and years on both I can honestly say eucs are simply more enjoyable and much better value for money at this point in time and variety is the spice of life.. why not have both?
i like boards. if i wanted to ride unicycles id join the circus.
@@rnontyYou say that now, like I did as a lifelong skater, but then you try it and it's like magic. I love my ADV Pro but my EUC is my baby
@rnonty outdated nonsense excuse..I used to think the same until I mastered eucs.. modern eucs are like single wheeled dirt bikes with a unique ride experience like nothing else (just like riding a ow is a unique experience like nothing else too) and nothing like non electric unicycles.. ows feel like underpowered toys compared to eucs now ( and I still ride my ow from time to time as that's where I come from yet there is nothing natural or ergonomically sound about moving sideways in a twisted stance for long periods of time.. you don't do that walking or running.. riding an euc is like flying head first through the air at great speed with thrilling g forces involved.. like I said you don't have to give up your sideways board stance at all.. I'm just wanting to share the even greater stoke you get as why limit yourself? You can have your cake AND eat it
euc rider try not to suggest getting an euc on a onewheel video challenge impossible
@@justinspirational hey man. this is cool. im happy for you. i dont doubt its fun and exhilarating. but i dont ride dirt bikes. i dont want to ride dirt bikes. i want to ride boards. skate boards. long boards. snow boards. surf boards. onewheels. you can enjoy your hobby without me, and other board enthusiast, enjoying it too. nothing about that is outdated. its just two different worlds. just bc you put a battery in both doesn't mean they're comparable. i could say put down the eucs and get a tesla if you want real battery power that offers a unique ride. but im not. bc that would be silly.
the amount of people upset about this video in the one wheel Facebook group is so funny.
I haven't seen, must be in the gts group? 😆I'm not in there hehe
False claims will do that
IDK I'm just disappointed watching this and happy that I moved on to EUC tbh
What the euc has in power advantage, lacks in style department. Couldn't pay me enough to ride one in public :)
Don't be fooled by this video. GTS climbs like a mofo
I realize it's difficult to spend money on something you've never tried before, but it's occasionally worthwhile.
lol, I was gonna see what yall had to say, until you put a clip in that pint x is better than gts. Ya people can have their own opinion, but wow 😂
That was coming from a kid without hair on his balls LO. L.
yea that was hilarious. one kid said pint x is better than gts "in some ways" which is actually fair lol
Merc¡ !!!!!
LOL for the heavier guys. Put a heavier guy on it in your video. Then you don't even weigh 200 pounds. Put someone like 250 to 260 on it.
great video! I got it^^ no gts!
thanks man! but it's not that we're saying no gts, but for that high price I am not convinced on its value compared to floatwheel and diy vescs which are similar if not greater performance, at almost half the price of gts. For people who want highest speed performance without dealing with vesc learning process, gts can be a great option for them.
Maxx, try to test it next time by riding backwards (heavier side as front).
What's your reasoning behind that? 😅 If nose is heavier it will dip even easier.
@@MaxxSend It maybe easier to go up. If there is a setting the reverse of elevated, If not, try maneuvering from side to side.
@@Tatad3 with all due respect this doesn't follow onewheel physics. Also, if you're riding on a trail and start approaching a steep hill, are you gonna hop off, rotate the board, ride up and then rotate back if u make it on top? The board needs to make it up facing forward my dude. But hey, you should try out your technique first and let me know if it helps.
@@MaxxSend Riding backwards is way better than the Skyline mode on my Pint. The handling and stability of the roll is so naturally straight, smooth and relaxed. It's like I've been upgraded from an economy small car to a full size car. It's so easy to stir like a rudder and feels like a dog on a leash pulling you forward. It’s so effortless that my gripe for getting easily fatigued is gone. It makes sense with the added weight in front to compensate for all the concentrated weight at the rear.
@@Tatad3 riding backwards can make sense on flat terrain. Not so much for steep uphill climbs. As I said try out your theory yourself on a steep hill and see if there's substantial improvement. At the end of the day it will likely not matter cuz nobody will ride fast on trails and uphill with battery in front.
Great video, i think most people now will be going Vesc and of course FW. FM have had their time and are not innovative enough, and the price of the GTS that performs this bad against other boards is crazy.
I will be vescing my XR eventually and will never buy from FM again.
Make it atleast 15 minutes, im setting up group watch and getting 15 people for 5 minute video is kinda shame :)
Thank you and float on! :)
The vid will be just over 21 min, every minute is educational 😊 however the premiere time is actually today in about 30 minutes! The time zone was incorrect. Hope you can still scramble some people!
Not sorry, this is a shameful review of what the S-Series is capable of. Neil Bennet just made a video showcasing the S-Series dominating this same hill on 1% after riding that same hill in a 10-mile loop. The only thing that shocked me in this video is your poor riding technique for someone who can "send".
He invited everyone to come do a comparison ride with him, you should go and see for yourself!
I was overseas when he posted that response vid, and when I came back we went back to go test it at 1% too. Just like how you didn't take everything we displayed as gospel, you should also consider a different perspective to what they posted (a sponsored vid no less). I do admit, I've been riding vesc for the last 1.5 years so my muscle memory for fm boards is slightly different now, but it's not that drastic where we couldn't keep the board from continually shutting off starting at around 12%. See and decide for yourself, we're just providing our findings for y'all: ua-cam.com/video/zUOf9Fa3Vk4/v-deo.html
The GTS is for racing not for, umm, other stuff. This video is clearly user error.
FM burner account confirmed
The GTs was marketed by FM to be the best board for competitions like race for the rail, which is trail riding
While you will probably not encounter extreme hills like the one in this video, torque performance and reliability during current spikes definitely play a big role while trail riding
At this point my guess is that the GTs gives it's best in going high speed on streets, where it may be compatible to a well tuned vesc
In any other compartment, vescs may perform comparably if not better at a much better price
If they tout 100% increase in torque, it better damn not be worse than the GT in a running start, and it is 😆
@@MaxxSend This is a giant pie in the face of FM and GTS owners for sure. But there gotta be more to this story because we’ve seen the GTS perform well in the Float Life climbing challenges. Maybe it’s a firmware issue that limits torque output at low speed to conserve battery consumption or something. Because it just can’t be this bad.
@@suburbansagethe majority of the comments are from the floatwheelbois so good to have both sides in here 😀 I have both boards and so I know that my GTS is way better than the GT. The only thing that might come close the range but I don’t need a board to go cross county.
I expected the adv to go up that hill ONLY because it has a bigger tire… That simple… Smaller tire is going to produce less torque. If you put the FM tech inside a tire the size of adv expect much better results, period. Cool video tho. Can’t wait to see vids of guys using this GTS motor in other builds because this thing is the best
Oh no the almighty GTS didn't quite perform like you expected ehh? 😅
@@brodyport6395 It’s been performing as expected I just knew this was going to be an issue with tire size 😪 Good thing is most people aren’t buying these things to go to the steepest inclines they can find and ride up them. They are buying these things for the experience, the flow state 🤩I’ve heard more than enough Vesc users, and the reaction from the masses, to make me happy. In fact, I’ve been surprised just how many people of the Vesc community have rolled over for this board.. it’s almost suspicious 🤔
I'm sorry, but it is exactly the opposite:
Smaller tire = more torque, better acceleration (at the expense of top speed)
@@Tom_FXT So you’re telling me that if I put a V8 truck on skateboard wheels I’ll be able to climb better and get over more difficult terrain than say a regular V6 truck? Obviously tire size changes everything….
@@dezh2544bro be throwing out some goofy ahh comparison 😅😅
This is a good video if you like fake news because I have both boards and I know that the GTS climbs a lot better and faster than the GT. I’m glad I take videos like this with the green of salt when it’s biased and comes from people that just love foot Will and they are in the FFM. 😂
Go ride the hill then. Sure GTS might have marginally more than the GT but they both clearly aren’t on the same level as the other offerings