Opens box. Finds instructions. Discards instructions. Boots phone. Won't charge and won't connect to WIFI. Oh, I have to remove tape (per the instructions). Why am I laughing? Because we all do it!!!!
I got mine today too, its the 3gb ram version with the dock, it even can show 4k@30fps, amazing for such an old soc I had the battery problem too. Mine failed in update check, needed to use terminal and update manually
Wish we could run Manjaro on our phones. Using a true arch linux shell on your pocket and being able to run Manjaro/arch apps alongside Android apps. In the meanwhile I'll use termux arch/manjaro to have the most closest experience.
I have one. Works. Some apps need resizing. Sometimes the input becomes slow and I need to restart it. App store that it comes with is limited. Camera works but the color rendition is drab. Comes with Firefox but I would prefer Brave or Opera. UA-cam runs although at the lower resolutions. Contact list works. Overall needs software tweaks. Hardware is too slow to be most people's daily driver. Still, I like the concept
Is this the latest CE of the PinePhone with Manjaro ? (the recently shipping release) If so, can you verify, the modem performance of the phone? are you able to make and receive calls ? Wifi works? thanks
@@eflinux Great :-) thanks! I will be waiting for the next video, please demonstrate the basics such as making a call, receiving a call, sending and receiving of SMS, connecting to Wifi... describe the versions of Manjaro you are using, any pitfalls you have came across (and the solution to them, if you found any), availability of general utility apps such as image viewer, camera app, maybe a chat client etc.. could be cool to also see a small demo of the software center in the phone and how it works to install and uninstall a random app. thank you so much
I'm watching this on a Pinebook Pro running Manjaro\Arm. My USB C port outputs to video standards like VGA\HDMI with the right adapter. Does the phone?
I would like to see it has a mini pc that works on screens, PC's or TV. Don't know how that would look like, but that's what you can do it samsung phone. Imagine with Manjaro
Thanks for the current (for today) info. There's one thing I can't seem to find anyone covering; Is there ANYTHING going on with this phone w/manjaro that has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING google? I'm not a power user by any means. I just want a basic phone that does basic stuff reliably, and does it all as far as humanly possible from ghoulgle. Any word on this?
@@eflinux Thank you for your reply. But I guess I'm not clear - do you mean that you haven't encountered anything related to, or connected to google? Or that you haven't heard any information about a possible connection? :-) My fault - I asked two different questions, so I'm not sure which one you've answered.
@@eflinux Thanks. Much appreciated. I've seen that some distros come with some access to 'play store' (or some-such) and that, of course, puts you into the ghoulgle swamp. Again, thanks.
@@eflinux im loving where all this is going...fairphone unfortunatly goes with /e/. few linux phones or graphene os with pixels. slowly getting there. if they all just make a nice camera we have choices
Nobody purchasing this cares about response time of smoothness of the screen. The point of this phone is that it's a complete computer with an actual operating system with full access to the entire library of Linux which is enormous. You can run apache on this, you can make an SSHFS mount into and out of this machine. The problem with Android and iOS is they are SEVERELY limited operating systems. With Android, you have to code for Java - now that's an ancient technology there. This is literally a super computer in your pocket. I can have 50 people log into this machine and talk with them with STANDARD Linux tools. You may not appreciate the options and power of Linux. Unless you really know the operating system, you can't appreciate how limited and basic the functionality on a standard smart phone is. People have been waiting for this for a long time because there's no reason a phone should just be a device to make calls on, play stupid games on, and browse the web with. I'll PUT a webserver on this phone.
@@richardwicks4190 Dude, I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on that. I’m a complete Linux newbie; just switched over cold turkey, and this is something I didn’t understand, but at the same time I knew there was more to it. It’s starting to make more sense little by little.
@@richardwicks4190 why the hell would you use a phone as a web server other than testing purposes? A phone should only and only be used for routinary purposes such as the ones you deem "limited" because they are designed for that. If you want to run a webserver for a public website you may as well just buy a server, VPS, or whatever fits you best but a device with a screen is definitely not made to be used for non-human interactive operations.
@@eflinux slightly better but still does random crash quite often. I have also tried other os like ubports, no random crash but camera not working and the audio output so tiny. Arch also crashing, postmarket also not great. Manjaro lumiri also not great, manjaro plasma not as smooth as phosh , end up sticking with manjaro phosh for now.
Well, if it had KDE and more RAM, then sure...But like this - no. Also nobody mentions the terrible lags on this 2 Gb version. Though you can clearly see them even on this video
@@eflinux Oh, sorry maybe I was a bit too harsh. I mean, it's a good idea for me as a Linux-user and fan. I am really waiting for this affordable Linux phone to be finally available for guys like me (not too tech-savvy; I had been using major distros on my PC and laptop for years now, but have no experience with it on phones), without most major bugs. I had been following it for close to a year now, and I hope the final user-friendly version is close now
No worries! I didn't think you were harsh. What you say is true. I didn't have time to make a second video, but when I do I will share my experience with it.
I watch your videos very often but I still don't like your intro because it's too loud compared to everything else. Anyways, nice work! Really enjoy your content.
@@ManjaroBlack It's not slow. It's just this is a very superficial benchmark you're talking about. It's tweaking the UI so it seems faster, that's it. Log into, type "top" and see what the actual cpu usage is. When I get mine (if I ever get it), I'm going to put ffmpeg on it, and transcode a random 1080p film just to see how it handles it.
Still no graphics acceleration apparently and Gnome still is lagging af. Therefore unusable as daily driver and nothing more then a toy for nerds. A waste of money and effort if you want so. Oh, and by the way: The specs of this so called phone, are ridiculous.
I think is important to put this phone in context. This is not a daily driver. It is a work in progress obviously and as such it is meant to test several things, and for those who want to test and try out this stuff it is absolutely ok. It might be a waste of money for you, but not so for everyone :) It will evolve with time, but as always with open source software it will take longer than if it would be developed by a company. We can't compare it an iPhone or to Android.
@@eflinux Yes, this is really an open source problem. They don't even bother to create a platform, in this case a phone, for developers where development would be worthwhile. And I'm not necessarily talking about a financial reward but about hardware that at least satisfies the basic needs of everyone like a 1080p@60 display, a graphics accelerated interface or simply way more memory.I don't need an OLED display as a developer, I don't necessarily need a fingerprint reader but where should I get the motivation to develop for such a platform if the handling of a jerking Gnome doesn't want to trigger joy on any way? I don't need an OLED display as a developer, I don't necessarily need a fingerprint reader and I would definitely pay for every extra, but where should I get the motivation to develop on a platform, if the handling of a jerking Gnome doesn't want to cause real joy. The hardware would be available, but every time an open source smartphone appears I get the strong impression that I am dealing with technology from the last century. As a Linux enthusiast I find such sharp words extremely difficult, but this is how I see it after such a long time.
Super cool phone. Still needs a fair bit of work on the software, but I can definitely see the potential. :)
honestly it's the community edition, desktop community edition is always in development too. Ultimate might be a different story, but not by much
Just got mine and no where could I find out the initial unlock code so thank you for this video otherwise I'd be staring at a brick!
Had to look it up as well :)
"Come back next week, where we replace the environment with i3 gaps! No more needing to use the touch interface... just plug in a keyboard!"
I know what I'm asking for Christmas
Opens box. Finds instructions. Discards instructions. Boots phone. Won't charge and won't connect to WIFI. Oh, I have to remove tape (per the instructions).
Why am I laughing? Because we all do it!!!!
You got me :) Was my first unboxing a Pine 🤣
aahh It would be interesting to use the phone as a mini server as well
anonymous hotspot
what type of server? Why? Just use an old pc for a server........
@@IlyasWidaad Why a old PC? Because it has more space?
I got mine today too, its the 3gb ram version with the dock, it even can show 4k@30fps, amazing for such an old soc
I had the battery problem too.
Mine failed in update check, needed to use terminal and update manually
If u need someone that checks stuff on the 3gb version with the dock, tell me and I will record it for you
Thanks man, I'll get back to you on that.
Is it work with video output via hdmi?
@@АнатолийМилиневский yes and with 4k@30fps resolution :D
There's a version that runs KDE. You could try it.
NO.
Have it released already?
I believe its available for preorder in December?
GNOME Software performing as awesome as usual!
Going to preorder one asap!
PinePhone pro ... Xmas gift to myself 😁
Obviously i will try KDE...
Same
KDE was my first desktop env on linux
Manjaro is my favorite distro now it has a mobile os nicee
out of curiosity how come manjaro is your favourite distro?
Clyde, literally Clyde
So ubuntu does too. It's called ubuntu touch
Wish we could run Manjaro on our phones. Using a true arch linux shell on your pocket and being able to run Manjaro/arch apps alongside Android apps. In the meanwhile I'll use termux arch/manjaro to have the most closest experience.
X86 APPS dont work on ARM64/aarch64
I have one. Works. Some apps need resizing. Sometimes the input becomes slow and I need to restart it. App store that it comes with is limited. Camera works but the color rendition is drab. Comes with Firefox but I would prefer Brave or Opera. UA-cam runs although at the lower resolutions. Contact list works. Overall needs software tweaks. Hardware is too slow to be most people's daily driver. Still, I like the concept
I definitely will buy this phone... i like it very much..😍😍😍
This is very interesting. Are u going to make more videos about it?
Definitely I’m going to report how it develops.
Ermanno is our own Ben Sin (@ben's gadget reviews)! Great, curious how this will develop further ;-)
Is this the latest CE of the PinePhone with Manjaro ? (the recently shipping release)
If so, can you verify, the modem performance of the phone? are you able to make and receive calls ? Wifi works? thanks
I am testing it out. More about it next week :)
@@eflinux Great :-) thanks! I will be waiting for the next video, please demonstrate the basics such as making a call, receiving a call, sending and receiving of SMS, connecting to Wifi... describe the versions of Manjaro you are using, any pitfalls you have came across (and the solution to them, if you found any), availability of general utility apps such as image viewer, camera app, maybe a chat client etc.. could be cool to also see a small demo of the software center in the phone and how it works to install and uninstall a random app.
thank you so much
2:30
I don't like,too
Thank for your great channel
Its quiet snappy. I'm surprised 😯
Kidding? This thing is slow af. I don't know why hardware like this is used in 2020.
remember guys, this is still alpha. the official website informs you that this phone is not ready yet to be used as a daily driver
I'm watching this on a Pinebook Pro running Manjaro\Arm. My USB C port outputs to video standards like VGA\HDMI with the right adapter. Does the phone?
Haven't tried that yet.
nice
I would like to see it has a mini pc that works on screens, PC's or TV. Don't know how that would look like, but that's what you can do it samsung phone. Imagine with Manjaro
True!
Manjaro and arch will rule the world. Also you didn't took a look to the notification area
I'll have a more in-depth look at it in the future weeks.
@@eflinux looking forward to it
Thanks for the current (for today) info.
There's one thing I can't seem to find anyone covering;
Is there ANYTHING going on with this phone w/manjaro that has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING google?
I'm not a power user by any means. I just want a basic phone that does basic stuff reliably, and does it all as far as humanly possible from ghoulgle.
Any word on this?
Not that I have seen.
@@eflinux
Thank you for your reply.
But I guess I'm not clear - do you mean that you haven't encountered anything related to, or connected to google? Or that you haven't heard any information about a possible connection? :-)
My fault - I asked two different questions, so I'm not sure which one you've answered.
No I haven’t seen anything. The OS is Manjaro, you have options to connect a google account but that’s it, at least this is what I saw until now.
@@eflinux
Thanks. Much appreciated.
I've seen that some distros come with some access to 'play store' (or some-such) and that, of course, puts you into the ghoulgle swamp.
Again, thanks.
wow awesome
Thank you! Cheers!
What about battery? can you compare battery with common smartphone?
I'm still testing it, but definitely not fantastic. It depends if course on usage. Until now it has been performing around 4-5 hours of screen ontime.
how are the x86 and Arm based apps support?
Didn't have enough time with it yet :)
if camera is good im all in. i would join this with fairphone...
In the context of this phone the camera is more like a work in progress. The camera and photo quality is still far from good IMHO.
@@eflinux im loving where all this is going...fairphone unfortunatly goes with /e/. few linux phones or graphene os with pixels. slowly getting there. if they all just make a nice camera we have choices
What Linux distro runs fastest on PinePhone BETA? Arch BareBone? postmarketOS Phosh? Nemo Mobile or..............?
damn it lags like its 2009
Lmao
Lags like 2009, Looks like 2011
Nobody purchasing this cares about response time of smoothness of the screen. The point of this phone is that it's a complete computer with an actual operating system with full access to the entire library of Linux which is enormous. You can run apache on this, you can make an SSHFS mount into and out of this machine.
The problem with Android and iOS is they are SEVERELY limited operating systems. With Android, you have to code for Java - now that's an ancient technology there. This is literally a super computer in your pocket. I can have 50 people log into this machine and talk with them with STANDARD Linux tools.
You may not appreciate the options and power of Linux. Unless you really know the operating system, you can't appreciate how limited and basic the functionality on a standard smart phone is. People have been waiting for this for a long time because there's no reason a phone should just be a device to make calls on, play stupid games on, and browse the web with. I'll PUT a webserver on this phone.
@@richardwicks4190 Dude, I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on that. I’m a complete Linux newbie; just switched over cold turkey, and this is something I didn’t understand, but at the same time I knew there was more to it. It’s starting to make more sense little by little.
@@richardwicks4190 why the hell would you use a phone as a web server other than testing purposes? A phone should only and only be used for routinary purposes such as the ones you deem "limited" because they are designed for that. If you want to run a webserver for a public website you may as well just buy a server, VPS, or whatever fits you best but a device with a screen is definitely not made to be used for non-human interactive operations.
Anyone know if prepaid phone services like tracfone can work with this?
I got my prepaid card just today. I will try it out :)
please install a SIM and let us experience the basic features a phone should have...
Will do! An extra Sim is getting here soon :)
Can it run aarch64 apps?
Are you using an iphone to record this?
I was. Now I have a pixel 4a.
How long is the battery life compared to maybe samsung s10
I am still testing it, but so far, not more than 4-5 hours screen on time. Depends of course on usage.
Mine with manjaro phosh seems to crash very often. So far any issues?
After the first system update it is better.
@@eflinux slightly better but still does random crash quite often. I have also tried other os like ubports, no random crash but camera not working and the audio output so tiny. Arch also crashing, postmarket also not great. Manjaro lumiri also not great, manjaro plasma not as smooth as phosh , end up sticking with manjaro phosh for now.
It’s still in beta. Let’s see with the next update.
me lo pido para reyes
Looks buggy but there's hope for the future
Yep, it will evolve with time and on better hardware.
@@eflinux "with time" means: Not within the next decade.
I am not in a hurry :)
No GPU acceleration?
is it the manjaro logo or the xiaomi logo ? hahaha
Audio is louder on one side.
Yes, as I mentioned in the description it was an improvised video and didn’t have a mic.
Wayland probably isn't a good choice for mobile hardware...
Interstant phone as I know for witch price?
This is the cheaper model for $150.
Well, if it had KDE and more RAM, then sure...But like this - no. Also nobody mentions the terrible lags on this 2 Gb version. Though you can clearly see them even on this video
Oh I will mention it, no worries. I'll share my experience with it soon.
@@eflinux Oh, sorry maybe I was a bit too harsh. I mean, it's a good idea for me as a Linux-user and fan. I am really waiting for this affordable Linux phone to be finally available for guys like me (not too tech-savvy; I had been using major distros on my PC and laptop for years now, but have no experience with it on phones), without most major bugs. I had been following it for close to a year now, and I hope the final user-friendly version is close now
No worries! I didn't think you were harsh. What you say is true. I didn't have time to make a second video, but when I do I will share my experience with it.
@@eflinux yeah, thanks. I'd like a KDE pro with 3 gb ram version of this, but I think it will still have its issues...
I watch your videos very often but I still don't like your intro because it's too loud compared to everything else. Anyways, nice work! Really enjoy your content.
Ouch sorry about that! I will adjust it. Thanks for the feedback!
Not usable, as a linux user and lover I think this phone is not convenient.
Hiii :D
Manjaro's Logo looks like Mi's logo
Laggy but cool
That is quite laggy....
And btw 2 GB ram?!
Everyone wants a super slow phone...
@@ManjaroBlack It's not slow. It's just this is a very superficial benchmark you're talking about. It's tweaking the UI so it seems faster, that's it.
Log into, type "top" and see what the actual cpu usage is. When I get mine (if I ever get it), I'm going to put ffmpeg on it, and transcode a random 1080p film just to see how it handles it.
Look good video... help each other
Phone seems good but it is laggy...
Yes, it is a little laggy.
alternative, better you use SailfishOS + Sony xperia device ...
open telegram
Still no graphics acceleration apparently and Gnome still is lagging af. Therefore unusable as daily driver and nothing more then a toy for nerds. A waste of money and effort if you want so. Oh, and by the way: The specs of this so called phone, are ridiculous.
I think is important to put this phone in context. This is not a daily driver. It is a work in progress obviously and as such it is meant to test several things, and for those who want to test and try out this stuff it is absolutely ok. It might be a waste of money for you, but not so for everyone :) It will evolve with time, but as always with open source software it will take longer than if it would be developed by a company. We can't compare it an iPhone or to Android.
@@eflinux Yes, this is really an open source problem. They don't even bother to create a platform, in this case a phone, for developers where development would be worthwhile. And I'm not necessarily talking about a financial reward but about hardware that at least satisfies the basic needs of everyone like a 1080p@60 display, a graphics accelerated interface or simply way more memory.I don't need an OLED display as a developer, I don't necessarily need a fingerprint reader but where should I get the motivation to develop for such a platform if the handling of a jerking Gnome doesn't want to trigger joy on any way? I don't need an OLED display as a developer, I don't necessarily need a fingerprint reader and I would definitely pay for every extra, but where should I get the motivation to develop on a platform, if the handling of a jerking Gnome doesn't want to cause real joy. The hardware would be available, but every time an open source smartphone appears I get the strong impression that I am dealing with technology from the last century. As a Linux enthusiast I find such sharp words extremely difficult, but this is how I see it after such a long time.
Yeah I feel you. I guess the issue is to try to develop it on the cheapest hardware to avoid costs. With time though, I am sure it will get better.