Marcus, you're the man!! Thanks for this very enlightening video!! I also hate paying the tolls on the highway but like it is now, it's fairer! Imagine you don't have a car or don't even use the highways network. If they were free, the person that doesn't have a car would be subsidising other people's trips on the highway. I totally agree with you that the way the costs are structured don't make any sense. It's much better how Tesla does it. One price and a low one!! Nothing beats that! SInce you said that you pay 0,22€/kWh I want to challenge you to do a calculation of the real price of the energy by picking up one of your electricity invoices and divide the total amount in Euros by the total quantity of energy in kWh. Of course it would include the energy for the normal running of the house, but it also includes the rental of the electric meter, the installed power capacity, the electric grid costs, the VAT, etc.. I truly doubt that the real cost with all the taxes is below 0,30€/kWh. Happy New Year!!
Happy New Year, Lisboy! You are correct about the costs of home electricity :-) I am not against tolls on motorways, but I believe that what is basically a monopoly should not be owned by private companies. There is competition in the electricity market, but not for most motorways in Portugal. I believe the motorway network in Portugal should be public, and therefore all profits should go to the public purse, not a private company. I think the tolls would be lower if they were public. I do not think it is correct when you state that only people who have cars benefit from motorways. Goods are transported across Portugal on them, and this high price of the tolls makes the products we buy more expensive. I don´t believe Lidl or Aldi would have installed shops in Portugal, if the motorway network did not exist. The competition benefits everyone. Moreover, because the tolls are very expensive often lorries and cars will choose national roads which pass through towns and villages. This has a negative impact for people close to these roads. The whole economy of a region can benefit from having cheaper or no tolls.
@@marcusevjourney566 Totally agree with you! Almost all portuguese owned lorries don't travel on the motorway and due to that the national roads are packed with them and damaged due to excessive wear and no maintenance! But companies owned by the state are the worst, just look at TAP (take another plane), with a massive debt hole that had to be filled with taxpayer's money! Continue with the good drives!!
The EU should force Portugal to open its network. I can charge with my cards nearly everywhere in Europe except for Portugal. And Tesla SuperChargers for Non-Teslas also doesn't work.
If the EU cannot force countries like Hungary in serious questions like rule of law then it absolutely won't force Portugal to liberalize the EV charging market.
Portuguese consumers are just being ripped off. No competition allowed so we just get crap charging network with very low speeds, expensive prices and chargers out of service frequently.
Merry Chrismas. Sounds like Antonio Costas is mobbing competitors to protect mobi.e 0,90€ / kWh is ridiculous - at least right now. And if the household price for kWh is also so much higher than the tesla owners will charge more on the fast charger and try to use the car at home. You will need to gain access to the battery and discharge the cars battery into your home to get power for cheap. Here this is happening cause the grids have now to be open since VW started its offense of opening their ID fleet to charge homes and stabilizse the grid which also means you get paid a lot if you offer your cars battery for a remote charging and discharging by the grid operator (you will get paid for that and you can set the parameters like discharge up to 33% in general or based on time profiles or your wish to have a 90% charged car the next day). I bet Portugal is far, far behind of what is coming up via the EU regulations to stabilize the whole EU grid just not only the domestic grids. We have 99,9% availability of the grid here and we have to pay but do not want to pay more to stabilize other countries networks too. So they are optimizing or shaving the peaks we usually face after dawn around 7 to 9 pm. So portugual will face competition sooner or later but then most likely in a big storm in case it is market worth to conquer from outside Portugal. The Costa guy will not be able to protect a local market. I guess Tesla simply needs to look for loopholes meanwhile like expanding the destination chargers with cheap chargers and solar power systems for the owners to bring more cars to them, also more guests. Enjoy Chrismas and forget about that Costa guy which will always remind me to the costa fail, that cruise ship costa concordia lost in italy.
Merry Christmas. I think things will have to change in Portugal sooner or later due to EU regulations. It is great that VW EVs can now be used to stabilise the grid. This is not possible with Tesla.
Please let me share my modest opinion. Due to my work, I have experience of making around 50 k Kms/year going to all cities in the country, always with an BEV. In my opinion, your video is biased to make a case that the Portuguese model is not good. First of all, you've chosen a long trip, that most Portuguese make 1 or 2 times per year. Second, you choose one of the worst days for the public network to make your case. Third you are comparing Tesla SUC with the most expensive network in Portugal (Ionity). The Portuguese national grid has the big advantage of allowing a user with only one contract to have access to the whole network. In other countries are going in this direction with Roaming Operators that make agreements with several CPOs. But we need to pay an extra fee to the Roaming Operator and they usually don't cover all chargers. In Portugal the fee is small and we have access to all chargers (except Tesla and Continente)... Regarding the first point, most people in Portugal live in buildings, so they mostly need a network near their home/work. Tesla SUCs can't solve this, which has been the main problem all year. Please give me an example of any city in Spain, France or UK that has a higher number of chargers/inhab than in Barreiro (the city just close to your home). Regarding long trips, as I told you before, I have experience of making around 50 k Kms/year going to all cities in the country and never had a problem in waiting for charging. And I always avoid Ionity chargers because they are costly. What concerns Tesla is that they don't open more SUCs because they refuse to join the national network. The main reason why Tesla doesn't invest more is not because other brands also could charge in the SUC. The main reason is that in the national network, the user makes the contract of energy with one (or more suppliers) energy suppliers and has access to the whole network. The CPO only receives revenues from the "renting" of the charger, not from the energy. Concerning prices, you are not being accurate, because you are comparing the most expensive CPO with Tesla. You should also compare with other CPOs. Other CPOs have prices similar to or lower than the Tesla ones... If you want to make a comparison with another country, please compare with UK, where prices are much more expensive than in Portugal. So in my opinion instead of complaining about the national network, you should complain to Tesla about why they don't want to comply with Portuguese law. Merry Christmas...
Thank you for sharing your opinion. It is much appreciated 😊 👍 To be clear, I tried my best to be as fair as possible. I wanted to show how the Tesla Superchargers were completely occupied, but I did not manage it even on one of the most busy days of the year. I also do not try to put Mobi.E down, and I use it regularly. I have also told Tesla and other EV owners on many of my previous videos that they should get a Miio card for Portugal. The Miio link is even in the details of the video. In the video I charged at a Mobi.E and Tesla Supercharger, both worked. It was not my fault if there were queues at some of the Mobi.E chargers on the A1 and not at the Superchargers, I just reported the facts. Actually, Ionity came out well because there were 2 chargers available. It is important that the charging network in Portugal is good for Tesla and non-Tesla EVs. The Lisbon - Porto A1 route is a very common route in Portugal, and testing it at the busiest time of the year in an EV makes for an interesting video. As for Ionity, I did not compare its price against the Tesla Superchargers but with Ionity in Spain, and as anyone can check, Ionity in Spain is considerably cheaper. Again, I am only reporting facts. I go to Barreiro every day 👍 I love the fact they have installed so many type 2 chargers, and I am thinking about doing a video about it 👏 However the downside is for people living in apartments is that these chargers are expensive. I can not find anything under 0.40 € per kWh for these Barreiro chargers. At these price it is hard for them to compete with petrol cars. I have checked many chargers in Miio, and I can not find any charger cheaper than 0.26 € per kWh of the Tesla Superchargers. If you can find one, please let me know. I have looked with the following providers Miio, Prio, EDP and Via Verde. I think I said in the video that we needed more Mobi.E and Tesla Superchargers, I don't think anyone will disagree with that. Thank you again, and Merry Christmas 👍
(,02€×60min÷11kw+,165/kWh)×1,23=0,34€/kWh. 0.165 is the price with Iberdrola. ,34*15 = 6.8€/100km. Please tell me what ice car that you can have lower cost
@loroxtupi Thank you, I will have to get an Iberdrola card they seem cheap 👍 Yes, it is still a bit cheaper than petrol on current petrol prices. However, they are not as cheap as Tesla Superchargers. Interestingly, the Lidl 50 kW charger is cheaper in Barreiro, and there is no activation fee. On Iberdrola, it is almost as cheap as a supercharger, but it is always difficult to know exactly when one component is per minute.
@@loroxtupi That supposedly amazing thing of Mobi.e is using one app/card for every charger without roaming fees... That is true if you don't care about cost because for some chargers Prio is cheaper for other chargers Via Verde or another CEME the cheapest option, so if you want to charge for the lowest cost possible you would still need 2 oe 3 cards/apps. So that is basically the same experience as me outside of Portugal, if you just want to charge not caring about the lowest price while travelling you can just use Shell recharge or Chargepoint that work on any rapid charger in Europe and in case of chargepoint you rarely of big roaming fees. With these cards I was already able to charge to in Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Spain and UK (except in Scotland)... So that is not a good reason to justify Mobi-e if it's on the other hand slowing the entrance of international operator in Portugal, my exprience of using Galp or EDP in motorway was terrible. I did Amsterdam - Lisbon and back in summer the only country I had problem charging was in Portugal, never in more than 2 years with EV I had call a customer service because a non-working charger... In Portugal, in one month I called 4 times in 4 different charger, 2 from EDP and 2 from Galp. I totally agree that what is really need for people is charge near home, specially slow charging where you can leave car charging while sleeping, working or just while visiting someplace but with exception of the example you gave (Barreiro) that has a lot of slow charger arounf the city, most of the other municipalities have almost no slow charging. I'm originally from the other margin near Carcavelos, in Cascais and Oeiras municipalities you have almost no slow chargers, most of charger are in the supermarkets only, from my one month experience the only chargers you can really trust in Portugal are in supermarkets, specially Lidl and Intermarché... In Oeiras, they decided that a great would be to put multiple 150kw in each of the towns of the municipality instead of multiple slow chargers... Clearly the people taking this decision at municipality level have never used a EV... When people like me and Marcus trash talk Mobi-e is not because we have any hidden agenda or something, it's just because we travel outside of Portugal and have better exprience charging in any country than in Portugal, so we would like that in Portugal the experience would also improve... I had better experience charging in the scottish network in the middle of nowhere in Isle of Skye than in Portugal 🤣
mobi.e has it flaws but it was and still is a great idea and there's nothing like it in the all world. One network to bind all chargers, so we can always know the state of all chargers and use just one app to have access to them. Other countries have hundreds of apps, cards, nfc tags, and so on, it's a total mess! The downside is that doesn't allow any competition. But even so other countries like Spain and France already saw the good side and are adopting it. Can't have them all! 🤷♂️
Hello Hugo, that might have been true 2 years ago but not today. Spain is still a bit disjointed, but in France I could use either Miio, Freshmile or Izivia on any of the chargers. The prices in France were also cheaper. Plus in France I could use my credit card on a Shell charger. Tesla is allowed to expand in France with its own network. The EU recently gave money to expand its European network, but Portugal has missed out. 🥺 It seems France has it all. One card/app will work on most chargers and it seems to have good competition. Portugal unfortunately is falling behind. Have a great Christmas, Marcus 👍
Hugo there is nothing like it in the world because it's not an amazing idea. I understand that in the beginning could have been a good idea that would improve the experience of the users but in reality became a hassle for the user and slower of EV infrastruture... The only supposedly amazing thing of Mobi.e is using one app/card for every charger... That is true if you don't care about cost because for some chargers Prio is cheaper for other chargers Via Verde or another CEME the cheapest option, so if you to charge for the lowest amount you would still need 2 oe 3 cards/apps. And for that you don't need Mobi.e, if you just want to charge not caring about the lowest price while travelling you can just use shell recharge or Chargepoint that work on any rapid charger in Europe. With these cards I was already able to charge to in Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Spain and UK (except in Scotland)... So that is not a good reason to justify Mobi-e. "we can always know the state of all chargers" also another thing that any app of any operator have in Europe without Mobi-e. Besides that of my experience the country I had more charger complety broken or failing to charger when trying to use them was Portugal the state in Miio was wrong... I did Amsterdam - Lisbon and back in summer the only country I had problem charging was in Portugal, never in more than 2 years with EV I had call a customer service because a non-working charger... In Portugal, in one month I called 4 times in 4 different charger. When people like me and Marcus trash talk Mobi-e is not because we have any hidden agenda or something, it's just because we travel outside of Portugal and have better exprience charging in any country than in Portugal, so we would like that in Portugal the experience would also improve... I had better experience charging in the scottish network in the middle of nowhere in Isle of Skye than in Portugal 🤣
Here in UK, the law now says all chargers over 8kw must allow contactless payment, no apps needed anymore, there are also dozens and dozens of fast chargers going in on the motorway network, way more than Portugal
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 Yes, the UK is similar to France and Spain. Lots of new motorway chargers. Portugal needs to get rid of this monopoly quickly.
Cheers and Merry Christmas!!
Thanks for the really interesting and funny videos!!
Thank you for watching, have a good Christmas 🎄
Marcus, you're the man!!
Thanks for this very enlightening video!!
I also hate paying the tolls on the highway but like it is now, it's fairer!
Imagine you don't have a car or don't even use the highways network. If they were free, the person that doesn't have a car would be subsidising other people's trips on the highway.
I totally agree with you that the way the costs are structured don't make any sense. It's much better how Tesla does it. One price and a low one!! Nothing beats that!
SInce you said that you pay 0,22€/kWh I want to challenge you to do a calculation of the real price of the energy by picking up one of your electricity invoices and divide the total amount in Euros by the total quantity of energy in kWh. Of course it would include the energy for the normal running of the house, but it also includes the rental of the electric meter, the installed power capacity, the electric grid costs, the VAT, etc..
I truly doubt that the real cost with all the taxes is below 0,30€/kWh.
Happy New Year!!
Happy New Year, Lisboy!
You are correct about the costs of home electricity :-)
I am not against tolls on motorways, but I believe that what is basically a monopoly should not be owned by private companies. There is competition in the electricity market, but not for most motorways in Portugal. I believe the motorway network in Portugal should be public, and therefore all profits should go to the public purse, not a private company. I think the tolls would be lower if they were public.
I do not think it is correct when you state that only people who have cars benefit from motorways. Goods are transported across Portugal on them, and this high price of the tolls makes the products we buy more expensive. I don´t believe Lidl or Aldi would have installed shops in Portugal, if the motorway network did not exist. The competition benefits everyone.
Moreover, because the tolls are very expensive often lorries and cars will choose national roads which pass through towns and villages. This has a negative impact for people close to these roads.
The whole economy of a region can benefit from having cheaper or no tolls.
@@marcusevjourney566
Totally agree with you!
Almost all portuguese owned lorries don't travel on the motorway and due to that the national roads are packed with them and damaged due to excessive wear and no maintenance!
But companies owned by the state are the worst, just look at TAP (take another plane), with a massive debt hole that had to be filled with taxpayer's money!
Continue with the good drives!!
No CHADEMO on SC.
Yes, that is correct. However there are fewer and fewer cars that use CHADEMO in Europe so it is basically dying here.
This video is Acoustic hell.
I am sorry about that.
The EU should force Portugal to open its network. I can charge with my cards nearly everywhere in Europe except for Portugal. And Tesla SuperChargers for Non-Teslas also doesn't work.
Yes, but the EU will not force Portugal.
If the EU cannot force countries like Hungary in serious questions like rule of law then it absolutely won't force Portugal to liberalize the EV charging market.
Portuguese consumers are just being ripped off. No competition allowed so we just get crap charging network with very low speeds, expensive prices and chargers out of service frequently.
Spot on 👍
Merry Chrismas.
Sounds like Antonio Costas is mobbing competitors to protect mobi.e
0,90€ / kWh is ridiculous - at least right now.
And if the household price for kWh is also so much higher than the tesla owners will charge more on the fast charger and try to use the car at home.
You will need to gain access to the battery and discharge the cars battery into your home to get power for cheap.
Here this is happening cause the grids have now to be open since VW started its offense of opening their ID fleet to charge homes and stabilizse the grid which also means you get paid a lot if you offer your cars battery for a remote charging and discharging by the grid operator (you will get paid for that and you can set the parameters like discharge up to 33% in general or based on time profiles or your wish to have a 90% charged car the next day).
I bet Portugal is far, far behind of what is coming up via the EU regulations to stabilize the whole EU grid just not only the domestic grids. We have 99,9% availability of the grid here and we have to pay but do not want to pay more to stabilize other countries networks too. So they are optimizing or shaving the peaks we usually face after dawn around 7 to 9 pm.
So portugual will face competition sooner or later but then most likely in a big storm in case it is market worth to conquer from outside Portugal. The Costa guy will not be able to protect a local market. I guess Tesla simply needs to look for loopholes meanwhile like expanding the destination chargers with cheap chargers and solar power systems for the owners to bring more cars to them, also more guests.
Enjoy Chrismas and forget about that Costa guy which will always remind me to the costa fail, that cruise ship costa concordia lost in italy.
Merry Christmas. I think things will have to change in Portugal sooner or later due to EU regulations. It is great that VW EVs can now be used to stabilise the grid. This is not possible with Tesla.
Please let me share my modest opinion. Due to my work, I have experience of making around 50 k Kms/year going to all cities in the country, always with an BEV.
In my opinion, your video is biased to make a case that the Portuguese model is not good.
First of all, you've chosen a long trip, that most Portuguese make 1 or 2 times per year. Second, you choose one of the worst days for the public network to make your case. Third you are comparing Tesla SUC with the most expensive network in Portugal (Ionity).
The Portuguese national grid has the big advantage of allowing a user with only one contract to have access to the whole network. In other countries are going in this direction with Roaming Operators that make agreements with several CPOs. But we need to pay an extra fee to the Roaming Operator and they usually don't cover all chargers. In Portugal the fee is small and we have access to all chargers (except Tesla and Continente)...
Regarding the first point, most people in Portugal live in buildings, so they mostly need a network near their home/work. Tesla SUCs can't solve this, which has been the main problem all year. Please give me an example of any city in Spain, France or UK that has a higher number of chargers/inhab than in Barreiro (the city just close to your home).
Regarding long trips, as I told you before, I have experience of making around 50 k Kms/year going to all cities in the country and never had a problem in waiting for charging. And I always avoid Ionity chargers because they are costly.
What concerns Tesla is that they don't open more SUCs because they refuse to join the national network. The main reason why Tesla doesn't invest more is not because other brands also could charge in the SUC. The main reason is that in the national network, the user makes the contract of energy with one (or more suppliers) energy suppliers and has access to the whole network. The CPO only receives revenues from the "renting" of the charger, not from the energy.
Concerning prices, you are not being accurate, because you are comparing the most expensive CPO with Tesla. You should also compare with other CPOs. Other CPOs have prices similar to or lower than the Tesla ones... If you want to make a comparison with another country, please compare with UK, where prices are much more expensive than in Portugal.
So in my opinion instead of complaining about the national network, you should complain to Tesla about why they don't want to comply with Portuguese law.
Merry Christmas...
Thank you for sharing your opinion. It is much appreciated 😊 👍 To be clear, I tried my best to be as fair as possible. I wanted to show how the Tesla Superchargers were completely occupied, but I did not manage it even on one of the most busy days of the year. I also do not try to put Mobi.E down, and I use it regularly. I have also told Tesla and other EV owners on many of my previous videos that they should get a Miio card for Portugal. The Miio link is even in the details of the video.
In the video I charged at a Mobi.E and Tesla Supercharger, both worked. It was not my fault if there were queues at some of the Mobi.E chargers on the A1 and not at the Superchargers, I just reported the facts. Actually, Ionity came out well because there were 2 chargers available. It is important that the charging network in Portugal is good for Tesla and non-Tesla EVs.
The Lisbon - Porto A1 route is a very common route in Portugal, and testing it at the busiest time of the year in an EV makes for an interesting video.
As for Ionity, I did not compare its price against the Tesla Superchargers but with Ionity in Spain, and as anyone can check, Ionity in Spain is considerably cheaper. Again, I am only reporting facts.
I go to Barreiro every day 👍 I love the fact they have installed so many type 2 chargers, and I am thinking about doing a video about it 👏 However the downside is for people living in apartments is that these chargers are expensive. I can not find anything under 0.40 € per kWh for these Barreiro chargers. At these price it is hard for them to compete with petrol cars.
I have checked many chargers in Miio, and I can not find any charger cheaper than 0.26 € per kWh of the Tesla Superchargers. If you can find one, please let me know. I have looked with the following providers Miio, Prio, EDP and Via Verde.
I think I said in the video that we needed more Mobi.E and Tesla Superchargers, I don't think anyone will disagree with that.
Thank you again, and Merry Christmas 👍
(,02€×60min÷11kw+,165/kWh)×1,23=0,34€/kWh. 0.165 is the price with Iberdrola. ,34*15 = 6.8€/100km. Please tell me what ice car that you can have lower cost
@loroxtupi Thank you, I will have to get an Iberdrola card they seem cheap 👍 Yes, it is still a bit cheaper than petrol on current petrol prices. However, they are not as cheap as Tesla Superchargers. Interestingly, the Lidl 50 kW charger is cheaper in Barreiro, and there is no activation fee. On Iberdrola, it is almost as cheap as a supercharger, but it is always difficult to know exactly when one component is per minute.
@@loroxtupi That supposedly amazing thing of Mobi.e is using one app/card for every charger without roaming fees... That is true if you don't care about cost because for some chargers Prio is cheaper for other chargers Via Verde or another CEME the cheapest option, so if you want to charge for the lowest cost possible you would still need 2 oe 3 cards/apps. So that is basically the same experience as me outside of Portugal, if you just want to charge not caring about the lowest price while travelling you can just use Shell recharge or Chargepoint that work on any rapid charger in Europe and in case of chargepoint you rarely of big roaming fees. With these cards I was already able to charge to in Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Spain and UK (except in Scotland)... So that is not a good reason to justify Mobi-e if it's on the other hand slowing the entrance of international operator in Portugal, my exprience of using Galp or EDP in motorway was terrible.
I did Amsterdam - Lisbon and back in summer the only country I had problem charging was in Portugal, never in more than 2 years with EV I had call a customer service because a non-working charger... In Portugal, in one month I called 4 times in 4 different charger, 2 from EDP and 2 from Galp.
I totally agree that what is really need for people is charge near home, specially slow charging where you can leave car charging while sleeping, working or just while visiting someplace but with exception of the example you gave (Barreiro) that has a lot of slow charger arounf the city, most of the other municipalities have almost no slow charging. I'm originally from the other margin near Carcavelos, in Cascais and Oeiras municipalities you have almost no slow chargers, most of charger are in the supermarkets only, from my one month experience the only chargers you can really trust in Portugal are in supermarkets, specially Lidl and Intermarché...
In Oeiras, they decided that a great would be to put multiple 150kw in each of the towns of the municipality instead of multiple slow chargers... Clearly the people taking this decision at municipality level have never used a EV...
When people like me and Marcus trash talk Mobi-e is not because we have any hidden agenda or something, it's just because we travel outside of Portugal and have better exprience charging in any country than in Portugal, so we would like that in Portugal the experience would also improve... I had better experience charging in the scottish network in the middle of nowhere in Isle of Skye than in Portugal 🤣
mobi.e has it flaws but it was and still is a great idea and there's nothing like it in the all world. One network to bind all chargers, so we can always know the state of all chargers and use just one app to have access to them. Other countries have hundreds of apps, cards, nfc tags, and so on, it's a total mess! The downside is that doesn't allow any competition. But even so other countries like Spain and France already saw the good side and are adopting it. Can't have them all! 🤷♂️
Hello Hugo, that might have been true 2 years ago but not today. Spain is still a bit disjointed, but in France I could use either Miio, Freshmile or Izivia on any of the chargers. The prices in France were also cheaper. Plus in France I could use my credit card on a Shell charger. Tesla is allowed to expand in France with its own network. The EU recently gave money to expand its European network, but Portugal has missed out. 🥺 It seems France has it all. One card/app will work on most chargers and it seems to have good competition. Portugal unfortunately is falling behind. Have a great Christmas, Marcus 👍
Hugo there is nothing like it in the world because it's not an amazing idea. I understand that in the beginning could have been a good idea that would improve the experience of the users but in reality became a hassle for the user and slower of EV infrastruture...
The only supposedly amazing thing of Mobi.e is using one app/card for every charger... That is true if you don't care about cost because for some chargers Prio is cheaper for other chargers Via Verde or another CEME the cheapest option, so if you to charge for the lowest amount you would still need 2 oe 3 cards/apps. And for that you don't need Mobi.e, if you just want to charge not caring about the lowest price while travelling you can just use shell recharge or Chargepoint that work on any rapid charger in Europe. With these cards I was already able to charge to in Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Spain and UK (except in Scotland)... So that is not a good reason to justify Mobi-e.
"we can always know the state of all chargers" also another thing that any app of any operator have in Europe without Mobi-e. Besides that of my experience the country I had more charger complety broken or failing to charger when trying to use them was Portugal the state in Miio was wrong...
I did Amsterdam - Lisbon and back in summer the only country I had problem charging was in Portugal, never in more than 2 years with EV I had call a customer service because a non-working charger... In Portugal, in one month I called 4 times in 4 different charger.
When people like me and Marcus trash talk Mobi-e is not because we have any hidden agenda or something, it's just because we travel outside of Portugal and have better exprience charging in any country than in Portugal, so we would like that in Portugal the experience would also improve... I had better experience charging in the scottish network in the middle of nowhere in Isle of Skye than in Portugal 🤣
Here in UK, the law now says all chargers over 8kw must allow contactless payment, no apps needed anymore, there are also dozens and dozens of fast chargers going in on the motorway network, way more than Portugal
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 Yes, the UK is similar to France and Spain. Lots of new motorway chargers. Portugal needs to get rid of this monopoly quickly.
@@marcusevjourney566 The only people that benefit are the ones at the top