REVIEW | Suikoden 3
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I see suikoden and I click. My favorite jrpg series of all time
Thank you for watching!
This game had a bit of a tough development cycle. If I recall correct, Yoshitaka announced to Konami he was planning on leaving the company before development even began on the game. Konami gave him full freedom to do what he wanted with the third game but he just didn't really have it in him anymore. He agreed to split directors roles on this entry and stay until the end, but he did end up leaving just a few months before development ended and had his name removed from the credits as a result. He wasn't happy with large scale game development at the time, and felt chaining himself to large corporations was standing in the way of what he wanted to do in life, so he left to do more freelance work.
Kind of gotta appreciate the guy for that. He wasn't interested in doing more than he felt was necessary with a series and just getting a paycheck.
If only konami felt the same.
I thought he left after the game was complete but before it was released. Still, that's kinda shitty.
In other news, thanks Tarks for being so supportive of me and this channel!!
@@PelvicGaming You might be right. I just know it was really late lol.
And no problem! Hopefully more people keep dropping in!
and yet konami refuses to milk the suikoden franchise any further
there isnt even a (new)pachinko game.
So that's why this game is so damn ugly. I couldn't stand that ugliness so I decided to stop playing even b4 I finished it and I have no regrets.
YEah this game just looks like a BEAST to program and TEST. Testing on this would be horrid...lol. i see stuff fell through the cracks though.
Regardless of what you have to say about Suikoden 3, it's hard to deny how great the character designs are here. Chris has to be one of my favorite designs for a woman protagonists ever.
I wont argue that. :)
she's named Chris...... so boring
@@usaskjock No
Another fun fact, several characters you recruit are kids or relatives of previous Stars;
Hugo's mom was an ally of Highland in 2, that's the same Lucia (And given some research, apparently that during the war is WHEN HE WAS CONCEIVED. She apparently was at least early in her pregnancy during her boss fight.).
Belle is clearly Meg from Suikoden 2's daughter (And thus Grandniece of Juppo from Suikoden 1.), it's never confirmed, but why else would she have Gadget Z?
Sanae Y (The Y is short for Yamamoto, guessing they didn't have enough room in either game for it.) is the daughter of Freed and Yoshino from Suikoden 2.
The Bath guy Goro is heavily implied to be Tetsu's (From Suikoden 2.) son.
Nash in this game is the Protagonist of the Japan only Suikogaiden games (They take place during and after 2.), and that wife he keeps mentioning? Never confirmed who it is 100%, but the most likely one? Sierra from 2. Yeah, THAT Sierra, the VAMPIRE. It's possible he himself is one during this game, but that's mere conjecture.
It's Theorized Ace was the Generic Soldier back in Suikoden 2 who set up and runs the Rock Climbing Mini-Game.
Emily is daughter of Ronnie Bell and Mose (Characters from Suikoden 1.).
Max is the Grandson of Don Quixo- I mean Maximilian from Suikoden 1 and 2 (Rico may be the Granddaughter of Sancho, but that's mere conjecture.).
Sharon is the daughter of Milia from Suikoden 1 (I think this is actually said when recruiting her though.).
Then of course, there's mainstays who have been in every numbered title, Jeanne and Viki.
For the former........no one knows what the fuck her deal is, but given's Kid's investigation of either her or Koroku (Forget which), Koroku knows something about her no one else does (Including us, the players, and even people who are obsessed with the series.). Koroku being a dog has no means of vocalizing this information much to our dismay, Jeanne even warning the dog (Possibly jokingly, possibly not.) Raura from 2 might know something, but that's conjecture.
Viki is easier to explain, She sneezes after each game ends and instantly goes to the next one. She actually experiences the games in the same order the players do, as her sneezes don't just teleport her through space, but time as well, as a result she's the same age in each game.
I love that this series has such continuity to it......something more games in the genre laugh at the idea of what with most JRPG sequels just hopping to new settings or going so far into the past or future that it hardly matters.
Dude, I'm a huge Suikoden fan and I've learnt a lot from your post! Many thanks, here's to number 6 🙏🙏🙏
This actually the reason why I disagree when people said that suikoden III is a standalone game... Unlike II, IV, and V, III depend it's characterization a lot on previous suikoden games. Without it, most characters, except the main characters and their friends, would have no characterization at all...
Where in the world did the idea that Ace is the rock climbing minigame soldier come from??
@@jamesmartin8317
It would require incredible dexterity and precision to set up the Mountain Climbing Mini game.
While in Vinay De Zexay in the begining of Chapter 1 of Geddoe's story, Ace said he served under Gilbert during the Dunan Unification wars (Suikoden 2's Story.).
Ace is very skilled when he's not focused on women and drink.
And it's very in his personality to set something like that up.
All of those together make it a popular fan theory.
What about edge?is he related to viktor?why did he inherit SD Sword?
I don't mean to come across as a kiss-ass, but why doesn't this lady have more views and subscribers? Been following your content since your appearance on Dark Pixel and I'm baffled why more people don't know about your stuff. Bloody algorithm.
The damn algorithm...
Hey, I'm not sure how UA-cam works, and I've been following you for a couple of years, and your growth impresses me. I do know that UA-cam has made it harder for smaller channels to grow these days. But someday she's going to be seeing growth of a thousand a week, she just needs to get there. I have no doubt she will.
Damn trap.
Hmm there are lots of game review options and she's ok but I'm not going to subscribe or anything
Yea I got to agree, she's got a great review "voice" I could imagine her working with IGN, GameSpot etc...it's hard to stand out now tho due to being so many review channels.
Reading the manga Suikoden III: The Successor of Fate is better than playing the game itself. It's truly one of the best game adaptions in any medium I've seen, for it takes the plot and characters from the game and actually does them better. If you want to have an enjoyable experience just go for the manga.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
I always thought of Suikoden 3 as an experiment. An experiment with the sweetest opening intro of all time. It tried to do something ambitious by breaking it up into three paths, but the story did suffer without continuity. Since the narrative wasn't all that strong to begin with, they really needed to stick with one path so that you could get invested in one person's journey and the 107 people he met along the way.
Instead, you end up with three characters that don't feel particularly well-developed.
Suikoden IV is... Unique.
If you thought this one strayed from the path, you ain't seen nothing, yet.😄 It's not all bad. Actually, I enjoyed it, myself. I've always enjoyed stories that take place on the high seas, so I'm sure that contributed.
Having said that, just a heads up, the Rune at the center of Suikoden 4 may actually be the most interesting in the entire series. It's worth playing just to see how wide the spectrum is, when it comes to True Runes and the consequences they carry.
Most of the call backs are historical (the story takes place centuries before Suikoden 1 & 2). However, without revealing too much, expect one HUMONGOUS call back in the Suikoden 4 roster.
Whenever you get around to playing it, I look forward to seeing your review.
Glad we agree!
As for S4... I've heard...things... I'm not particularly looking forward to it...but I'mma do it!! All I know about S4 is "it's bad", it's a prequel, and pirates. I'm trying to go in as blind as I can. What I *AM* hoping for... IS TO FIGHT WENDY SINCE I WAS ROBBED OF SUCKER PUNCHING THAT BITCH IN THE FACE IN SUIKODEN 1.
@@PelvicGaming yeah, Suikoden 4 is something. I'm not entirely sure what that something is, but it's definitely something.
All I can say is, I didn't come away regretting that I played it. I didn't come away in love with it, either. I've actually played through it more than once, so it can't be that Godawful... It's just... *SHOULDER SHRUG*...😒
@@natebroadus8474 WHELP, for better or for worse, I'm gonna play it! WISH ME LUCK.
ps2 era was a weriid time looking back at it. alot of jrpg series changed their formula and then you had tales of where it got better when it shifted to 3d.
I really liked III, it's tied with II for my favorite, but your criticisms are absolutely accurate and fair. As someone else mentioned, the manga adaptation for the game is one of the best out there; it really delves into pretty much every issue relating to the story that you listed. The big events have the weight that they should, the main characters are given more depth and development, and the antagonist's motives are both explained better and spread through the story instead of being shoved in at the end. Some events are changed entirely to make more sense in a story telling context (Hugo vs Sasarai at Chisha, for example. Why Sasarai would pack up his toys and go home after being roughed up by an obvious imposter is beyond me.) I recommend it if you enjoy manga, it's a good read and feels more like a Suikoden title than the game itself does. I'm definitely with you on friendly fire and the repetitive aspects of the gameplay too, bleh.
But the most important thing I got from your review is that I'm not alone in liking the ducks and disliking the antagonist in his previous series appearances, haha!
Good luck with IV, it's a slog and a half, but V is worth it!
I like manga! I just...need the time to sit down and read it. Being a YTer feels like a full time job haha. Depending how long it is maybe I could finish it..... heh heh.
THE DUCK PEOPLE ARE MY PEOPLE. I love them so! And yeah the antagonist can piss off. Haha, thank you for watching!! And I'mma do my best with Suikoden IV! Haha
Suikoden 3 is probably the best PS2 RPG that doesn't get enough praise.
I admit the first time I played Suikoden III I was like "really Brenda? That's how we are gonna do this?" When I replayed it like a decade later I actually enjoyed it more. I can't explain why, I don't know what changed in my mentality, but I feel you on its rough edges.
Speaking of antagonists, shouldn't they just resurrect Luca Blight repeatedly in every game and make you fight him? He already has a horror movie villain vibe, just saying.
Again, always love your open and honest reviews!
I don't think it was a steaming pile of shit but like I said it was a dip in the series for me. Nothing really hit home. Yes, make Luca Blight Suikoden's Dio.
Again, thank you for watching and supporting!
@ deathbyglitter82 But Luca Blight was so iconic that to reuse him again might diminish his awesomeness.
Take a moment to read the manga, It's totally worth it, Makes up for the story and will change you mind on this game. I honestly think that part of the reason why this one wasn't as easy to relate to and enjoy is that it was the first 3D Suikoden game. The manga will fill in what wasn't fleshed out.
I can't agree with the manga changes my mind on the game. The game is still poorly executed. I like to review what is given to me. If the manga adds to it, that's great! ...But I want to see what this game is about. What information this game gives me. This stand alone game. (No hate on the manga, I'm sure it's great)
Great video as always. And I love that lipstick.
if you keep going with the franchise, 4 will probably disappoint you too... BUT.... 5 will make it up to you i promise
Yep, I was going to comment that 4 was a HUGE disappointment. It was the one Suikoden that I just couldn't bear to finish. I'm playing through 5 now and I'm having a hard time progressing because the first 10 hours are boring af. I keep hearing that it gets better but damn...it's slow as hell.
Blacktop_Shady Suikoden 4 was not that bad. Sure it’s not as good as the others but it’s certainly not terrible.
I actually prefer 4 over 3 lol I didn't like the combat in 3 but I think all 5 are quite amazing.
@@Fade2BlackSS suikoden 5 has a slow start. it basically takes the 2 or 3 hours it takes to get to the castle in 1 and 2 but stretches it to like 12 hours.
but most of that 12 hours is world building to make you care about the region. so when the war does start you feel it.
I've never heard of this series, but I will be checking out your first two videos on it! excellent work!
OMG PLEASE DO!! And if you like...PLEASE play the first two games!!
@@PelvicGaming those games actualy become better if you play them a second and third time especialy suikoden 2
Aaah, love it! Almost sped home when I saw that you had released it, lol.
Haha thanks!!
This is our favorite from the wife and I and my sister's perspective...... as this was the first we played... we got a chance to play 4 of the 5 (we never played Suikoden 5). Glad to see this on the channel and see what you liked loved and did not like. Very in depth intelligent review. Terrific stuff.
@jeff mci we are hunting for it :)
Oh my... Suikoden 3, my personal favorite of them all despite the weak points. I am still surprised how well done the story interwines with the different points of view and how you totally miss out on information and everything even though it definitely is not the best story. And now, years after playing it for the first and second time... I still spot interesting stuff after honing my skills in spotting things about lore and story in games.
No, lol! This is my personal favorite Suikoden! I get people's grievances with it, but I loved the different viewpoints and the main characters, Geddoe's party especially.
leadintea he is my second favorite. Thomas is the best.
We can't agree on everything. ;P I liked Chris and Thomas is my precious cinnamon bun who must be protected. ♡
Spot on. I for one, love the diversity of Suikoden's characters, and I actually think this had some of my favorite designs in the series...But it's so dry sometimes. It's hard to get into, as opposed to the first two which are a lot less "gamey". This one feels like a game, not a story. It's definitely WAY harder than the other games, in my opinion, but it doesn't really add to any accomplishment. 6.5/10 is the perfect score for this. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts! You rock!
I do appreciate the diversity. I'll give them that. Thank you so much for watching!
Suikoden is my favorite series of all time! However, I could easily give this a solid like 3/10. I couldn't stand it and sold it immediately on eBay for a good bit after forcing myself to finish it. Extremely excited to see your review on IV and especially V, which are almost as good as I and II. Almost. Would love to see you review FF VII one day as well! Keep up the great channel!
Agreed! There are some strange fanboys out there foe S3, but they're fooling themselves. The game isn't great. A story about Tinto, the Grasslands, Zexen and Harmonica should have been wonderful, especially if they kept the 2d graphics and mini games. Alas, what we got was a steaming turd.
in hindsight suikoen 3's plot is slow and nothing happens in it. your better off just playing 1,2 and 5.
@@megamike15 exactly! They have looong, plossing chapters all based around one tiny event, which means the rest of the chapter is just filler. The manor housr defence atorylinr is just nonsensical, as are the parts were your team of 4 people, etc, are ACTUAL REINFORCWMENTS THAT MAKE AN ENTIRE ARMY RETREAT!
Although I somewhat disagree about the characters (I loved most of them), this was still a great and detailed review. Would love to see your thoughts on Suikoden 5 too
congrats on growing your channel:) I met you at Full Sail and im really glad to see you doing your thing. Ya page looks great!
i remember really liking this game but being bored by the walking back and forth across the same enviroments.
Sounds about right.
Im against the majority but i love suikoden 4 but cant really get into suikoden 5. Suikoden 3 is alright but i hated the pairing mechanic and ended up quitting on the final boss. Suikoden tactics is my absolute favorite suikoden game( i love strategy games). Never played 1 or 2 so i dont have an opinion on them.
Enjoying your Suikoden reviews. Was watching a twitch stream from projared and he recommended your channel for Suikoden coverage.
Im glad im not the only one who was disappointed by this one or even aware of it. I was actually excited about this n got it when it came out but jesus i remember it being so boring. i didnt even get to the army battles. Suikoden 2 is one of my favorite games. 4 isnt bad
my favorite suikoden
I have a thing for women in knight armor, and seeing Chris in middle school at the age of 12 is exactly why.
This is also the first time we had a former ally as a main antagonist. Like legitimate question: why is Luc allied with Yuber?
We also get a little peek into the overarching plot with the Holy Kingdom of Harmonia trying to snag all the true runes.
I have completed 1,2,4,5 multiple times but not the 3. I just did it this year. What was keeping me from not playing it is the different and experimental concept.
Suikoden 3 seems to be the most divisive game in the series, it's pretty amazing how split the fanbase is. I own 3, but haven't had the chance to play it. I played about five or so hours of the infamous Suikoden 4 and found it to be subpar at best, although I can tell you with certainty that Suikoden 5 is absolutely a return to form. Great review!
It does amuse me how spit people are with Suikoden 3. But alas I plan on playing 4 and 5 and constructing my own opinion on them both!
My favorite PS2 game. Never finished it, so i repurchased it on PS3. 16 years older, married with a 13 year old, taking a little longer than last time, but loving it. ❤️⚔️
SUIKODEN 5 WAS GOOD IT JUST TAKES A LOT TO COMPLETE TO GET THE REAL ENDING
good review. Granted I skipped a good portion, but I got some of your main points including not feeling connected and that's exactly the impression I got going through some reviews and looking through the gameplay. There's just way too many characters it seems like
Perfect editing with images in sync with the review, brilliant as always @Ladypelvic
Thank you so much!!♡
PlayStation 2 JRPGs are my childhood, brings back so much nostalgia
Something about your reviews always make it a joy to watch. Even if it were a review on Frosted Flakes with goat milk... I'd watch. Good day!
Noted for the future...>:)
Oh wow! Incredible review, Bravo! I love you're spirit!
This is pretty amazing. Seemed informative as well. Subbed.
I will always be a strong defender of III. I acknowledge and understand a lot of its flaws, and the problems people have, but I think the story was absolutely wonderful. Perfect? No. But to me, I was enthralled every single second. Also, no one seems to ever give the game credit for its shot composition. Despite the game's limitations, they utilized the different angles and camera positions to tell a really cinematic story. There are literally countless amounts of shots where you can analyze its composition, and how it relates to the story and characters in that moment. Criticize the graphics all you want, but I think it's really impressive how they were able to creatively use shot composition in a game from 2002.
4:12 is a great example.
Ahhh this review Makes me want to play it again
Your lipgloss is POPPIN' !!!
Wth, how can you look more beautiful in this vid. Suikoden II is my favourite game of all time. The first one is also a perfect game. Never played the rest. You are amazing btw, keep up the good work :)
Wow, your editing style has come such a long way since you first started! This was a great video that wasn't only informative but super fun to watch, great job I'm proud of you!
Awwww hehehe, thanks~ I watch my old OLD videos from time to time and I DEFINITELY see the improvement!! Thanks a bunch!
I have to disagree. I loved III and remember playing it multiple times. I actually liked the focus on the elemental runes and did not find them boring at all. I LOVED the skill system, enjoyed the strategy battles, Magic was great, and I did form a connection to the main characters, except maybe for Hugo. The story did have some pacing issues, but I was engaged. I thought the difficulty level was great (and differentiated between the 3 POVs). I also don’t know why, but I really fell in love with Sasarai in that game.
I was in college when I first played it, so I may be looking at it through rose tinted glasses, but I put in tons of hours grinding magic rings and stat stones and getting characters to 99. I loved the epilogue too. (Though why on earth did spoiler female character have a flowing dune permanently attached to her head, so she couldn’t use a pale gate rune with her S skill???? (Yep, I still remember that 15 years later lol))
The only weak points that jump to mind are Thomas’ chapters and some of the needless running running back and forth. II and V obviously had better stories and are the better games. I will say that III’s skill system is still my favorite and found magic users better than in V. (Though Vicki was finally great in V! 🤓)
Now this makes me want to replay them all! (Except IV. I don’t think I’ll ever replay that one.j
Absolutely fantastic review! Loved watching it! :)
Thanks for the video, I didn't know about this channel so I subbed due to it.
I like 3 more every time I play it. I streamed 1-5 this year and really enjoyed 1-3 the most. 2's the best, but 5 is really good. But yeah, I think 3 requires both the perfect order of chapters for 1-3 and just accepting that it's not trying to be like 1 and 2. It's pretty cool on its own and really does feel better on replays. It's really a game about how no one perspective is true and you have to look at all of them together to get closer to the truth of its story.
There are so many great moments in the story, even if it isn't as good as 2's, that I think it's the 2nd best Suikoden story. I think 5 is really good, but after playing through 1-5 this year, I'll just say that 5's definitely not capable of rivaling 2. But the low of Suiko 4 makes Suiko 5 feel like an all time high. IMO anyway, 3 gets better on replays, and 5 doesn't really improve. 5 doesn't get worse, either, though, so it's still really good.
I think the group I liked the most in 3 is Geddoe's mercs, because the bickering and joking with Ace, Joker, and Queen always entertained me. Geddoe was a pretty cool mysterious stranger type as well, and I liked how Jacques and Aila's friendship grew. As a group they felt the most developed. But out of all the Suiko casts, I think 3 might have my favorite overall since you get to know so many of them compared to the others. That's one of the strengths of the three viewpoints. You get a lot of time with those characters, so they get to develop personalities beyond a lot of other Suikoden characters.
Apparently they had a lot more game planned for Chapter 4 on, but had to cut it. I think that's why Chapter 4 and 5 feel pretty rough. Like seriously, 2/3 of the game is before you pick the Flame Champion. But all that said, I feel like the villain in 3 deserves a bit more credit. He isn't a madman like Luca because you can't top that character. So 3's villain is someone more sympathetic. If you get all 108 SoD, you get more of his story in a bonus viewpoint. It's true he isn't developed as much in this game, but since he's in 1 and 2, you already got to know him a bit there. I think if Chapters 4 and 5 weren't cut so short we would've gotten to understand his motivations better than we do and he would've seemed more sympathetic, even if his plans were awful. But one thing I like about Suikoden 1-3 is they have villains you can sympathize with, among the bloodthirsty psychos.
I never finished 5. Stopped mid way because i felt really bored.. i think its because of 4, and 5 isnt really great. Its least worse than 4, but still bad for me.
4 i played to the end, until the last place and didnt bother to really finish.
1,2,3 is my favorite. And i agree with you abt 3.
3 is different, but it definitely is great for me. I’ve replayed 3 as many as number 2. And i got quite attached with 3 so much. Sometimes i want the story to be longer, because its really short if you combined all 3 character’s story together. Its different from 1 and 2 but really charming for me. And look at the opening scene. Opening scene of 2 is really really great, but opening scene for 3 is on a different scale. I always get hyped when i listen to it.
1 is really great and the complete version of 1 is 2.
This game had a lot a potential, just really wasn't to into the first half. Lot of connections to the past games were cool. Stupid ducks is my favorite track in the game so I'm glad you gave it a shout out. Great video and I can't wait for more.
Thank you so much! Also stupid ducks fans unite! It's such a memorable and fun track!
The Suikoden III manga though, a real masterpiece! :)
You're right on with this review, Lady! Word of warning, the dip doesn't stop there, but it soars sky high with V!
I hear Five goes back to basics...which I look forward too...after four. /cry
Great review! Played only the 1st, 2nd and the 5th :D
Love the opening theme song to this game, I still listen to it every now and then. Nice review pelvic!
Same!
Thank you!
Never played jrpg before, I decided to give it a try with Suikoden first and I loved it ! I'll play all of them ! And in addition I'll have Tir Mcdohl in the 2nd since I got the 108 starts ! 🤭
Playing through the game now and came back to this to see your thoughts on it. The backtracking is killing me to the point I don't have the willpower to recruit everyone like I wanted to. Just wanna get on with it and get to the next game.
I tried this a few years ago when the Suikoden games hit PSN but couldn’t really get into it. I think I may have made a mistake by playing it immediately after the 2nd game. Still have my PS3 so may give another shot.
i miss this game despite of its flaws. suikoden series will always have a special place in my heart.
That's fair. My heart is reserved for Suikoden 2.
@@PelvicGaming nice. i love 5 as well ^_^
I hear its good~~
Suikoden 5 takes the skill system from 3 discards the rest of the weird systems like the paired characters, and goes back to a more classic Suikoden 2 style. Its a great mix up!
Was a FF fan on the psx and suikoden 1-2 completely slipped by me while 3 wasn't even release in my region, BUT I realy enjoyed 5 and decided to buy the manga for Suikoden 3 which...is...fantastic!
Ever read it? I'm sure it tightened up the pace of the story allot, and the art-style is very reminiscent of FMA which I love.
Oh man...I HIGHLY reccomend s1 and 2. Especially 2. It will blow your mind.
And no I havent read the manga. Not enough time in the day to do everything I want I'm afraid. But I've heard nothing but great things!
I personally love this game. Although it was my intro into Suikoden so I do have major nostalgia bias. One of the things that I really like about it is how "small scale" the conflict is. It really starts out as a about border disputes and hoe something like that can affect both sides.
This game had some great Suiko quality writing but the composition and pacing of the game made this a such a slog i couldn't even finish it. (and Suiko is my fav RPG series) I Suggest skipping over 4 and playing 5 next. Suiko 5 imo was the only post 2 entry to ever match the quality of the first 2 games. If you play the decline that is 4 you might not be able to muster the audacity to get to the 5th entry :D Thanks for the entertaining and charming review!
I'll be fine. I've braved Breath of Fire 1 and 2 which were awful. But I still played three and I plan on playing for. I want to know just how bad suikoden 4 is for myself. Thank you for watching
My favorite video game of all time!!! This was the first console game I spend countless hours on - I was in like second grade...
Think it might be sin in the Suikoden fan community to say how much I love this game. It's my favorite, yes even above II.
Ya know what, to each their own! Own the fact yoy love Suikoden 3!
Suikoden 3 definitely had the best opening theme. ❤️❤️❤️
I think what you said overall is accurate, but got to disagree in the antagonist part. You only need the motivation of him, because when the revelation that him is Luc from the first 2 Suikodens, you already know who he is as a character. Also you have Yuber, a go to antagonist from the previous games. If you get excited to see Futch and Bright, can't understand how that not happened with Luc.
And if you didn't play S1-2 you have no damn idea. Yes I know he is an asshat as a character so expand on it. Why has he had a stick up his ass all these years? Oh cause the Rune wars? He was born cursed? It all fell so flat. Futch you see his grow up. AND his dragon or that matter. Also, I hate Luc. As I said the only thing this game did was let me beat his ass. And I did.
Never played this game. But suikoden 2 and 1 storyline is so nice. The antagonist luc is originally from suikoden 1 and 2. Hes on the hero's side actually. And oh the army battles of suiko 2 is far more better
The theater mini game is my favorite aspect of S3. 😊
S2: Exploiting the Dragon Armor glitch for unlimited money. Mwahaha
Suikoden III has grown on me over the years. Still all of your criticisms were spot on accurate. I found going through some of Suikogaiden at least gave me a little more interest in one or two more characters, but yeah... Nothing compared to Suikoden II.IV isn't a BAD game, but it does miss the mark on a lot of stuff. The combat method gets things back to basics... but it felt like they went too far back to basics. The story was alright, the voice acting was... not the worst I've ever heard. I actually enjoy the war battles in IV, but I know a lot of people didn't like em.I am just starting to go through V again, and it really finds a good balance on things again. I hope you enjoy IV despite it's shortfalls and feel you WILL enjoy V whenever you get around to it.All that being said, I have been consistently impressed with the quality of your videos. The editing, scripting, video clarity and camera-work. All seem like the quality I see from folks with 100k followers. You will hit 10k sooner or later, but I really am looking forward to seeing when the word finally gets out about your quality videos and you start blowing up.
I'd wanted to murder the villain of this game for most of the first two, so I was predisposed towards caring about him... and I ended up really liking how he was handled; after I had a while to think it over.
Yes, his goal will kill hundreds of thousands of people- but he still thinks he's doing good. He's pretty sure it's this or "everything everywhere dies", and he has a better chance of knowing than anyone else. He avoids collateral damage face to face- he doesn't kill you or random villagers when he easily could. Yet he starts a war as a distraction. Apparently finding out you're less a person and more a sack of organs stapled to a true rune messes you up.
Unrelatedly, I find it hilarious that, even when your main character has the physical incarnation of the source of all fire in the world attached to his/her hand, it's still more effective to just use physical attacks. The swing speed skill & Jongelur rune are simply broken.
This is the only mainline Suikoden game I've never played. I need to do that sometime. I mean, I beat IV, I may as well. :P
(I accidentally got the SPOILERFORTHREE-villain killed in the first game in a war segment so I would have laughed hard if I played this when it came out)
I really enjoyed Suikoden III but I have to agree with you I was always underwhelmed with the main antagonist. I loved the 3D graphics tho, some of the outfits were well done especially for the Karaya Clan. Fun fact, Karaya translates to moon in my native tongue. Thanks for not letting your fans down and toughing through all 108 stars for us. Looking forward to your return to Breathe of Fire series!
Hey, you know what? I'm honestly glad you enjoyed it. I wish I could have gotten more enjoyment out of it! The graphics... yeah... they didn't nail it for me. I do like the art direction though, the portraits were great, and the outfits especially those of the Karaya clan was great. Thank you for watching and currently playing Breath of Fire III and loving it! I'm about to awaken Deis or as I like to say...BLEU.
Pretty much agree, most of the game was mediocre and predictable BUT I will say that I actually liked the antagonists and how they were handled (especially Yüber, he filled the role of "where tf did this guy come from? Is he even human? Why am I dead allofasudden?!" quite well imo).
Really? The antagonist didn't really....do much for me. I mean I will forever love Yuber but I wanted to know how he teamed up with the masked priest. All we got was... " As long as there is chaos I'm down to clown". But to be honest, Yuber the entire series (thus far) has been one giant mystery. And the lack of Persag- I don't remeber him but the other edge lord...I was upset he wasn't in S3. As for him and Sarah we got that at the end, a few lines and... that was that. It all felt very half assed.
@@PelvicGaming Purely my own subjective bias at work, I have a thing for mysterious villains and masked mages lol.
Id love it if you'd play and review Romancing Saga for the ps2. Also, congrats on 9500 subs!
Or how about "Saga Frontier" for Playstation.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! On another note, Edge was my favorite character. Did you catch the connection between him, the Star Dragon Sword and Victor?
Of course I did. Edge was one of my favs.
If you ask me I think you were kind of gentle with this graphics... The character portraits are very charming and de 3d graphics did not sadly reflected it.... I think If Konami had stick with the sprites... But everybody demands 3D SUIKODEN.... :(
Excellent review. I've yet to play the Suikoden games myself. They are in my backlog of games to play though for sure.
WHAT THE FKWMNDNFNDJSJ!! There are still people talking about Suikoden! I AM SO HAPPY 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yup! Gonna do 4 and 5 ad well!
I’m telling you right now 4 will underwhelm you but it’s all worth it just for the ability to progress and play Suikoden V. God tier IMO
It will be done.
@@PelvicGaming I know you said it'll be a while but I'm really interested/excited for your interpretation of 4. I've been playing the series over and over since I was like 13 (I'm 29 now 😨) and I wasn't into 4 the first time I played it but now... It's my 2nd favorite. It's seriously underrated. I know I'm by my lonesome in this opinion! 😔😔😁
I'm shocked no one had connected these ideas to the infamous gtaV. I like the new ideas, I agree w/you 💯
I do think the art and pace is dull due to it being heavy scripted with Bs but the music and difficulty did make up for the dull moments going back-n forth in villages and having to smash the blue reset button on my console thanks to how hard random encounters were. I remember never finishing the game after a random encounter in the mountains that you can't walk around. Took me back to res evil 4 on the boat@the end where I quit, sent it back to gamefly thanks to a mini boss right before the last boss left me completely unprepared and not worth going back a half dozen game saves.
i think suiko 3 could be epic storywise... as a fan (because of the epicness of suikoden 2) i really like the concept of using Luc as the antagonist, but the delivery seems anti-climatic... a letdown to the continual timeline after suikoden 2, hoping for a remake, with improved enhancement to the storyline
Suikoden 2 is one of those games that was hyped like crazy and when I played it I just couldn’t get into it no matter how much I wanted to (hell I actually preferred Suikoden 1). Others in this category for me are FF6 (never finished) and Tales of Symphonia (not a fan of this game at all lol). I was hoping suikoden 3 would be better or at least on suikoden 2 level but after watching this and a couple other reviews I’ll have to temper expectations again. This is a series that I just can’t get into no matter how much I want to lol
Can't wait to see Suikoden 5
Me too!
I definitely don't have the same emotional connection to this game that I have to Suikoden II, and I agree that the main characters are kinda meh. But I did really appreciate the world-building, the subtle connections with the first two games, and I really did like the battle system. You have less freedom, but it does force you to actually think about which characters work together in pairs, and which runes work best with which pairs. I thought it felt pretty satisfying to pull together a dope party. True about the pixel art though - still waiting for someone to do a remake lol. I actually replayed Suikoden III recently, and my impression was a lot more positive than when I played the game initially a long time ago.
I like how when you said: "Prepare to die a lot", you showed that stupid ass golem fight, which is where I gave up on my first playthrough (I absolutely hated the new confusing battle system when I was younger). I replayed it years later with all 108 and liked it a lot more then originally. I appreciate its ambitious traits, but unlike 1 & 2 I've never had much urge to replay 3.
Yeah...that golem sucked. I don't think this game is complete shit but...its no where near the greatness of 2.
Thanks for watching!
Hated S3 the first time I played it. I picked it up a few years later and now it’s my second favorite in the series.
Great review! Also the Duck Village theme is my favorite, along with the intro song Exceeding Love.
Great minds think alike! ....when it comes to music!
Nailed it. It sucked that they went 3-D. Even back in the day it wasn’t exciting when they did because by the time they got around to it, at least in my head, it was established as a 2-D series so it seemed like a cop out in a way.
I don't mind if a series goes 2 to 3D I mean Legend of Zelda did, Final Fantasy did it, and their first entries into 3D were/are some of the most respected games to this day. Just have a damn good story. Or a fun adventure.
@@PelvicGaming For sure. Fun would have helped this game out quite a bit lol.
loved these suikoden review videos. you said one suikoden game a year... and it's been more than a year now, still planning on it?
Have you watched my latest video and its entirety? :-)
1 and 2 were amazing, my favourites, but I'd like to see you review 4 and 5 to see what I missed out on since 3 was the reason I stopped playing, and I'm glad I did, looking at it.. definitely still not for me, and yet I can still go back and play Jade cocoon and stuff, nah not this
I plan on playing all the suikoden games. At least the main ones. Thanks for watching. :-)
you are a gem, how do you not have more subs
Thank you so much. That really means a lot. And I'm trying!
Never played any of these games. Maybe I'll do so at some point in the future, but they always gave me the impression of being big time sinks. Sucks when you don't have the time or motivation to play RPGs like you used to.
Ohhh yeahhh these games are certainly time sinks. That j/rpg life man....
@@PelvicGaming Heck I'd say you're doing a good job getting these JRPG reviews out at the pace you are. I would have lost motivation a while back lol. Keep up the good work, though. Won't be too long before you get to 10K subs.
I actually like the gameplay better the others games in the series. All the other games are super easy, don't require any tactics what so ever.
Suikoden 3 is my second favorite in the series (Suikoden 2 being first). Sure it had a hit and miss story and some of the characters were bland as hell, but the core gameplay mechanics, the skill system and the UI were all ace. I feel it's one in the series that gets better playing it through a few times, as you understand the combat better and can skip through some of the stale parts of the story. Side quests and character recruitment were varied and completely optional (but why would you even want to skip Thomas's campaign?)
I'm interested in what you have to say about IV and V. I think i'm in the minority that would rank them equally, currently replaying V and it probably has the worst first 3 hours in the series. I really dislike the ugly stripped down UI, useless skill system and crazy high random encounter rate. To be fair, the encounter rate in Suikoden IV was just as bad, I just feel it had better characters, story and UI overall.
I've been watching your videos for a while but have only subscribed recently. Totally glad I did, even if these videos get less views than other games, this is what you seem to enjoy reviewing. I can say for myself and probably a majority of your subs come for this content too. You've really started coming into your own lately, can really see the effort you put into these. I can't wait for next years review of Suikoden IV!
All I needed to hear was "brutal difficulty" and I shelled out $50 to pick this up.
Man am I desperate for an RPG with difficulty.
I wish they would make a Suikoden Strategy game all about the major battle systems.
Can I please recommend/request a review of Steins;Gate? I haven't played the recent "Elite" release but instead played the original on my vita (also on ps3). I'd love to see your thoughts on it; unless you already saw the anime in which case only the alternate endings would be new to you
I think you and Erick Landon RPG should collaborate together.
Agreed. Two UA-camrs at around the 10k level who are currently looking through Suikoden.
@@erikrick - Plus, they are both fans of JRPGs and deserving of being themselves.
@@erikrick thats a hard no for me they may similar subs and same interests in jrpg, he can come off a bit strong in verbal content and I think their personalities would clash. If ever we get a cross over video team up I can see pelvic doing an awesome jrpg vid with tarks gauntlet for example as they both have unique styles of explaining the lore of their games. Just saying
@@Jack-nj9pi hmm... Maybe you are right. How about adding one or two more (like SuperDerek maybe), and have a round table discussion of some sort?
Came here from Tarks Gauntlet, your videos are great! +1 Subscriber :D
Thank you so much!!! ♡
Great video. I'm looking forward to seeing the next ones. Will you try Suikoden Tierkreis?
Probably not. Just 4 and 5
I loved the first two missed out on this and eventually got 4 which absolutely bored the tits off me. I got 5 and it felt like a vast improvement .
Yeah you thoughts mirror my own when I played it back in 2003. Lol