I Took A Picture of the ORION NEBULA

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  • @skenderovicbusantelivia5282
    @skenderovicbusantelivia5282 11 місяців тому +141

    If you have the time and patience, I would love to see you do a livestream from start to finish, preparing, setting up, capturing *insert any “easy” target here* and also editing it right after… I imagine it would last about 8-10 hours but it might give us some really-really great insight into your process of focusing/re-adjusting/capturing and getting the results you want. ❤ Keep up, you are doing absolutely amazing, and we all love what you do! 😊

    • @dostacos1
      @dostacos1 10 місяців тому +1

      Would tune in!

    • @Spamandrice
      @Spamandrice 9 місяців тому

      I would be following along with my set up

  • @marcericdavis
    @marcericdavis 11 місяців тому +27

    Your "basics" videos are what got me started in astro. I have a Nikon 5600, Tamron 150-500 lens and the Star adventurer GTI. Lots of fun.

  • @cjmenagh882
    @cjmenagh882 11 місяців тому +10

    Welcome back to the beginning. So many channels have moved on as their creators have gained experience and knowledge but that leaves a large gap for beginners. Thanks for inspiring a new group who are just starting out. You got me restarted all those years ago when you were just starting up and it was much appreciated.

  • @vinceveltri7732
    @vinceveltri7732 11 місяців тому +9

    Trevor, you managed to capture the Flame, Horsehead, Running Man and Orion in the same beautiful shot. Well done.

  • @Josh.Wilson
    @Josh.Wilson 11 місяців тому +8

    Another stunning image!
    One of the things I wanted to recommend to people, is the Sky-Watcher Star Adventurer tripod. That's what I use for my trackers. Relatively cheap ($130CAD). It is nice and sturdy, but most importantly has a platform that goes in the middle of the legs, so you can put your intervalometer on it, USB battery bank for dew heater power, ASIAIR, etc.
    BUT, the best tripod is the one you already have, and that's sturdy. So if you can't, or don't want to spend the money on a dedicated tripod for your tracker, use the one you have.

  • @Eretaloma
    @Eretaloma 11 місяців тому +8

    2 weeks ago I received my Star Adventurer 2i and I have been having a blast. My set up is a canon 4000d with the 75-300mm lens. The set up its self is quite budget but I have a lot of fun. Your videos are the reason why I started this hobby and so far it has been great. Some problems with the tracker have been resolved and I recently bought a dew heater... and of course when it arrived a storm came and now I can't use my setup... I guess that's how it goes when you're exited to use your new equipment 🤣🤣.

    • @KevinRudd-w8s
      @KevinRudd-w8s 11 місяців тому

      I started my astro photography journey with a set up just like that and had hours of fun with it as well. You can easily upgrade it too, for example you can control it with an ASIAir Mini.

    • @SaitoGray
      @SaitoGray 11 місяців тому

      Canon 2000d, same lens with a 3D printed Star tracker, we're on the same boat, i really want good weather to take a picture of the nebula now...
      The big plus, is that i have Onstep, it's awesome to have go to.
      Next step is astroberry to have acces to plate solving.

  • @bojanmajic
    @bojanmajic 10 місяців тому

    exactly what I was doing for my first (successfull) astro imaging session before the Christmas holidays...
    It's just that I got my refractor instead of a lens...what a journey it was from watching your first videos to to be able to stand personally next to your rig catching photons, childlike joy sums it up

  • @ColeDedhand
    @ColeDedhand 11 місяців тому +6

    Thanks to you (and a few other AP channels) I jumped into AP recently. Last week was the first time I shot deep sky, and it was a double: M42 and M45. I used a D5300 (astro-modded) with a 180mm prime lens on an EQ6 mount. 150 30-second subs each. Stacked with DSS and processed with GIMP both images turned out better than I could have hoped for a first attempt. M42 really needs more focal length so I will use a 300mm prime next time I get a clear night.

  • @skinfology
    @skinfology 11 місяців тому +2

    What an amazing explanation Trevor. Love your soothing voice man. As a guy who madly loves astronomy and especially astrophotography with no equipment to afford, I just appreciate people like yourself who make my experience so better with vids like these.

  • @krisdavies8548
    @krisdavies8548 11 місяців тому +2

    During most mornings on the way to work i always look at Orians belt next year ill get my star tracker and start photographing it. Its monsoon season here so i have to wait till may. Love your work. Thanks for showing us

  • @sheji100
    @sheji100 11 місяців тому +3

    Stunning image Trevor. Loved it as usual.

  • @davidletz9123
    @davidletz9123 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice "back to basics" kind of video, appreciated!

  • @DTOMSM
    @DTOMSM 10 місяців тому +1

    As someone who likes astronomy, I gotta say this photo is EPIC

  • @Robert08010
    @Robert08010 11 місяців тому

    This is probably the brightest nebula making it an ideal first project.

  • @oldgittarist
    @oldgittarist 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video and result Trevor, I'm hoping to get another go at Orion this winter as well.

  • @ricks729CavemanTV
    @ricks729CavemanTV 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank you! I always enjoy your work. I’m learning so very much from you. Merry Christmas 🎄 I also watched your live stream today. Merry Christmas & Clear Skies

  • @capturethephotons2078
    @capturethephotons2078 11 місяців тому

    I am down at least a 5 year astrophotography rabbit hole, and it all started right here , with this channel, just like this. I now have hours and hours of these same targets, using just a camera/lenses and now a William optics GT81. As a matter of fact, I just bought an asi air plus which is still in the box!!
    It's good to see you teaching beginning astrophotographers one of the easiest and most rewarding DSOS in the Winter night sky during Nebula season.
    Clear skies. Happy Holidays.

  • @astronomybob
    @astronomybob 11 місяців тому +2

    Awesome shot! Great video too! Merry Christmas Trevor and Ashley!

  • @Anshuman12358
    @Anshuman12358 11 місяців тому +1

    I absolutely love your videos. You have inspired me to start my own UA-cam channel. I hope that one day I can become as great as you ❤❤

  • @fivevolcano483
    @fivevolcano483 11 місяців тому

    Watching this as i have my newly bought equipment next to me genuinely is so exciting

  • @mfghans
    @mfghans 10 місяців тому

    Trevor, you got me into astrophotography and I cannot thank you enough for doing so!!! Thank you so much for your videos and your kindness!

  • @jasmijnariel
    @jasmijnariel 10 місяців тому

    The result is stunning! I really want to start doing this when my basic photography lessons are done. The universe is amazing! So is macro photography. So those 2 things have my interest.

  • @GhostSenshi
    @GhostSenshi 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for another great upload

  • @waynewheaton3210
    @waynewheaton3210 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the more "beginner" level video. Your videos and website are very well polished. It's content like this that has help UA-cam change the learning curve on just about everything. I tired some astrophotography back in the 90s with a Pentax film camera and a 6" Criterion. I did get some good shots of the moon. It was hard because the lack of information. I'm getting back into the hobby and just picked up a Star Adventurer GTI.

  • @Zealor365
    @Zealor365 11 місяців тому +1

    A small square of Velcro on the back of the remote and the leg of the tripod is the trick which works for me.

  • @adrianortiz3281
    @adrianortiz3281 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi Trevor. Thank you for the fantastic videos on a beautiful hobby. I was wondering, if possible, is there anyway that you can provide a video when doing these great "How TO's" on the setting up of the intervalometer. What were your settings? For example, what would be the best intervals that you found useful? Thanks for the entire great setups and "how to's". Just short of beautiful work.

  • @MrJomoboy
    @MrJomoboy 11 місяців тому

    Taking my GTi out tonight, first ever attempt at tracking AND Orion nebula. This was perfect timing. Thank you from Australia. No need to worry about frost here tonight, tis hot.

  • @gordonbrinkmann
    @gordonbrinkmann 10 місяців тому

    I have not so fast lenses and no star tracker at the moment but I'm looking forward to it. I already took some still crappy (but decent for my original expectations) pictures of Andromeda galaxy and Orion nebula as well. What amazes me in your final reveal of the finished image is that I got this optical illusion of a parallax effect (which of course is not possible here) when you move the image from the Horsehead nebula to the Orion nebula. 😊

  • @Loopy01
    @Loopy01 11 місяців тому

    This is exactly the type of content that initially got me to love your channel. Would love to see more of these "lesser-scripted" videos where you go through your sessions and talk about what and how you're going about setting up your shots - even if it's at advanced level.

  • @cdz9400
    @cdz9400 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks to you, since your last video doing this, I have finally done it myself, and I'm ready to learn more with this video

  • @masonmcneil-jv9vy
    @masonmcneil-jv9vy 10 місяців тому +1

    Hello there i am a 12 year old astrophotographer and I just want to say that you are really inspiration and have very good advice and amazing content Thank you so much

  • @keithhanssen7413
    @keithhanssen7413 11 місяців тому

    I waited several years to get a Star Adventurer and I’m so glad I finally did. Even sprung for a modified Canon R. Simple yet quite effective wide angle astro is very enjoyable, especially when it’s cold out.

  • @HalBorucu
    @HalBorucu 10 місяців тому

    I’ve been following for a while (mainly from insta) and always wanted get properly into AP. I own a Canon 5D MkIV, RedCat 51, 70-200mm lens and on the day I receive my star adventurer GTi, you release this video. BY FAR the most helpful video I’ve come across, almost like it was perfectly curated for me! I can’t wait to see the results using your advice! Thanks for all the help, Trevor 👊🏼

  • @Cmaxb9
    @Cmaxb9 10 місяців тому

    I very much appreciate your content, it’s high quality. The way you document your process and film it is so wonderful, thanks for the great stuff! 🤙🏼

  • @OurAwesomeUniverse
    @OurAwesomeUniverse 7 місяців тому

    Wow that final image blew me away!

  • @damandeepsingh8857
    @damandeepsingh8857 11 місяців тому

    Absolutely stunning.

  • @richardspence5316
    @richardspence5316 11 місяців тому

    Fantastic Trevor. I have the SA GTI and I’ll certainly be looking to put it to use more often.

  • @billinglendaleca5093
    @billinglendaleca5093 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for the very timely video Trevor, I got my GTI last Monday.

  • @stuartbolden2142
    @stuartbolden2142 9 місяців тому

    I liked this vid a lot more than some of the others , Trevor . The reason ? It’s a simple set up and one that nearly ALL can identify with . I totally understand when you showcase massive scopes and great mounts , but , showing more shall we say basic gear actually gives me more enthusiasm to get out there and do the same . ( the problem is Englands weather aaarrrrgh! )
    Keep up the great work mate

  • @MrMrduke1975
    @MrMrduke1975 11 місяців тому +1

    It’s amazing how much this hobby brought me down the worm hole. $4,0000 later, and that’s probably on the budget side of astrophotography lol. Great video!

    • @KevinRudd-w8s
      @KevinRudd-w8s 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, I've noticed lately this has become an expensive addiction too!!

  • @rayphillips815
    @rayphillips815 7 місяців тому

    I use the Ego lawn equipment eco system. With all the batteries, i bought the 400w inverter and use that for all power (tracker, ASIAIR, dew heater). Works great, and plenty of juice.

  • @aDizzeee
    @aDizzeee 10 місяців тому

    finally a good and simple tutorial, nice!

  • @SteveZodiac777
    @SteveZodiac777 11 місяців тому +2

    Nice work! I was interested to see how far out your initial alignment was with the GTi mount. I often find that initial alignment is way, way off, despite setting the mount in the home position before attempting the alignment.

  • @Ben_Stewart
    @Ben_Stewart 11 місяців тому

    My Nikon Z6ii Astro modified camera is just so good for this type of work.

  • @johnnybueti
    @johnnybueti 10 місяців тому

    With the total eclipse coming up in a couple months, it would be amazing to watch a video on tips on how to capture it! Thanks!!
    Love from Toronto!❤

  • @JSchirmaierPhotography
    @JSchirmaierPhotography 11 місяців тому +1

    Another awesome video as always Trevor! Though I do have one thing I would like to comment on.
    That being, I feel like labeling the Star Adventurer GTI as a star tracker is a bit misleading, especially for people that are new to the hobby. The functionality of the GTI is much closer to that of an equatorial mount than a traditional star tracker. And Skywatcher would seem to agree seeing as they label it as an equatorial mount in their manual.
    I wanted to bring this up because I don't want beginners to get the wrong idea of what star trackers are capable of, and how basic their functionality really is. They might assume that all "star trackers" can do what is shown in the video, and then be dissapointed when they purchase something like the Star Adventurer 2i, only to find out it can basically do none of it. And with the 2i (and most other genuine star trackers) being at a much lower price point, I think something similar to this scenario is fairly likely.
    I hope this doesn't come across as nitpicky or semantics because I do genuinely think this clarification between the two is important, especially for people new to the hobby. I feel like we have a responsibility as communicators to make sure we put out the most accurate information as possible, since we were the same inexperienced and passionate begginers at some point, learning from youtube videos and blog posts. And the last thing I'd want is for someone's passion to be squandered after investing money in to the hobby, only to be frustrated, disappointed, and off-put by their underwhelming purchase.
    That ended up being a lot longer than I was expecting but oh well lol. All the best and happy holidays!

    • @jimmirow
      @jimmirow 11 місяців тому

      That was very thoughtful. I'm very wordy with excitement,emotion,cause,etc. like you Lol.I can tell you unconditionally appreciate the passion of this artform and the people. I'm a newbie, loving comments the processing to final image and I may have spent what little money I have in the wrong place because I could have easily assumed something didn't do what I thought. Being informed is #1 and thank you for "being that guy" on informing or discerning the difference in equitorial/startraker

  • @gautroid
    @gautroid 11 місяців тому

    Hey dude ! Firstly, sorry for my english, i’m French fan and i follow you since your debuts on YT. I appreciate your evolution and all things you are sharing, tips, experience,etc..
    Last week, I finnaly bought my Star Adventurer GTI and an Askar 180 pro ! Your video spawn on a perfect timing for test my Canon RP modify on this set up. It’s time to transform the long hours of theory on UA-cam, to PRACTICE (your ultimate advice : stop watching, go shooting 😉) Thanks a lot AstroBackyard !

  • @chadcrotts870
    @chadcrotts870 11 місяців тому

    I was intrigued for a minute. Then realized that gear is way beyond my means. Cool video though and I’m glad I stumbled across it!

  • @ZombiemodzFPV
    @ZombiemodzFPV 5 місяців тому

    I want a star tracker so bad. hopefully soon. Great video!

  • @billvinson7859
    @billvinson7859 11 місяців тому

    The running man nebula looks great also. ❤

  • @rosaluks644
    @rosaluks644 8 місяців тому

    This video is done so very nicely. Solid skills!

  • @bbqguy777
    @bbqguy777 11 місяців тому

    Simply love your work!

  • @lostinthewoodsproductions
    @lostinthewoodsproductions 11 місяців тому

    Excellent video! and amazing photo! I'm very interested in giving this sort of photography a try!

  • @f86sabre92
    @f86sabre92 4 місяці тому

    Incredible… wow!

  • @edaviss._
    @edaviss._ 11 місяців тому +1

    is there a specific dovetail you’d recommend? i also don’t have a collar for my camera lens so is that required or can the camera itself be mounted to the dovetail bar? if not do you as well know of any lens collars to mount everything to the dovetail?

  • @wazigeralph
    @wazigeralph 11 місяців тому

    Stunning shot.

  • @patricialegault7410
    @patricialegault7410 9 місяців тому

    I love astrophotography and have been doing Milky Way for quite some time. I did Orion without a tracker, and now waiting on my first tracker! Yay!
    I recently heard of deepscape photography. Do you have any videos on that type?

  • @mihaelholhos-vaida2589
    @mihaelholhos-vaida2589 10 місяців тому

    Looks like a whole different reality up there

  • @Ericrbo
    @Ericrbo 7 місяців тому

    Awesome! Very inspirational!

  • @darrenjones3908
    @darrenjones3908 11 місяців тому

    Another great video. So you have any videos about how to figure out the best exposure settings for DSOs?

  • @Hayden-ns6ej
    @Hayden-ns6ej 11 місяців тому

    Great video I’m getting a telescope for Christmas. I can’t wait.

  • @wooddogg8
    @wooddogg8 11 місяців тому

    Beautiful image, Happy holidays!

  • @TamsonsAstrophotography
    @TamsonsAstrophotography 11 місяців тому

    These are always so very helpful

  • @gleadr6869
    @gleadr6869 11 місяців тому

    Great Image! Would love that for a wallpaper.

  • @AlanHowellphotovideo
    @AlanHowellphotovideo 11 місяців тому

    From basic astro rigs to the biggest processing tip...I'm always impressed with how much you know. But how did you know Bob was my uncle. That's spooky.

  • @M42-Orion-Nebula
    @M42-Orion-Nebula 11 місяців тому +5

    STOP TAKING PHOTOS OF ME WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!

  • @LittleHubble
    @LittleHubble 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video!! ❤ merry xmas

    • @catholic3dod790
      @catholic3dod790 11 місяців тому

      Please don't write Xmas. Because either Protestantism, satanic cults, or atheists who hated the word of Christ. They deleted Christ and added x to mas.
      Merry Christmas.

  • @tintin69rr
    @tintin69rr 11 місяців тому

    You make it look so easy awesome video

  • @Stephen-gp8yi
    @Stephen-gp8yi 11 місяців тому

    Omg that’s fantastic matey✌️

  • @ClearSkies404
    @ClearSkies404 11 місяців тому

    awesome, very good work !!!

  • @WakoJacKooo
    @WakoJacKooo 11 місяців тому

    Keep up the good work trev. But please please please do a video using your best scope shooting a complete random spot of the sky . No objects . Just to see what you find
    JJ

  • @maxsvisions
    @maxsvisions 11 місяців тому +1

    At what focal length/duration do you feel like you need to begin auto-guiding? Is this a target that would warrant an auto-guide to capture longer exposures and more data? Excellent image per usual!

    • @AstroBackyard
      @AstroBackyard  11 місяців тому

      In the 300mm + 180-second range is where guiding will really come in handy. Even using a kit like this, I could have used dithering!

  • @astrocarone9671
    @astrocarone9671 11 місяців тому

    Awesome shot dude!

  • @rusticagenerica
    @rusticagenerica 9 місяців тому

    Did not get why you use the filter inside the camera. Great video !!

  • @briankotak403
    @briankotak403 11 місяців тому

    Wow! Love that wide field view! Nice image Trevor. How do you deal with frost on the telescope/lens and camera after an imaging session? Keep it all together, put the lens cap on and put the whole unit in a bag to warm up in the garage/house? I am always so leery about condensation! Dr B from Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦

  • @klausst.8510
    @klausst.8510 11 місяців тому

    Great picture, I also will try M42 with my Samyang 135/2.0; may I ask you which ISO setting you used? I am also living in an bartle 5 area..

  • @f.bell.9761
    @f.bell.9761 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for all informations. Why not using Synscan intervallometer instead of hard one?

  • @seank2793
    @seank2793 11 місяців тому

    *I want to jump into night sky photography, where do I start and what gear do you recommend? Could you please make a video on this pleaseeeeeee btw where are you taking all these amazing pictures?*

  • @hangerbird
    @hangerbird 11 місяців тому

    I put Velcro strip on the back of my intervalometer and on one of the tripod legs. That way I just attach the intervalometer onto the leg and I'm good.

  • @rolandwynjones7310
    @rolandwynjones7310 11 місяців тому

    Another great video. Do you happen to know what the equivalent filter would be for a Canon EOS 80D (instead of the OPTOLONG L-Pro EOS-R Filter Deep Sky Photography and Wide-Field Filter for Canon EOS R/Ra RP R5 R6)? Thanks!

  • @nareshkulthe9180
    @nareshkulthe9180 11 місяців тому

    Happy Christmas, Trevor

  •  11 місяців тому

    Bro plz captured the cosmic key hole near Orion if possible.

  • @whiteskyphotographics3033
    @whiteskyphotographics3033 11 місяців тому

    Another fantastic video Trevor, I love my Canon Ra but here in Aberdeenshire, Scotland we have had a terrible Autumn/Winter so far for weather (almost 10x more rain than normal), got a recent Skywatcher 72ED APO to use with the good old trusty Skywatcher star adventurer and a Optolong L-Pro filter.......just waiting for those clear skies lol. Do you find that iso800 for the Canon Ra is the best for shooting deepsky? keep up the great work, regards Simon

  • @Twlight-Astrophotography
    @Twlight-Astrophotography Місяць тому

    I currently use a asi1600mm Pro. Thinking of getting a asi2600mc pro. What are your thoughts on these two cameras? I have both narrow and broadband filters in a ZWO 8-slot wheel. Love your videos. Thank you for the videos. They help a lot.

  • @based_seattle
    @based_seattle 11 місяців тому

    Great video, I'm inspired now. Just curious, what's the song at the end of the video?

  • @fromupthere.2209
    @fromupthere.2209 11 місяців тому

    Polaris for the Northern hemisphere and Octans for the South for your polar alignment

  • @AmatureAstronomer
    @AmatureAstronomer 11 місяців тому

    Very nice. My 130mm Newtonian reflector and ZWO asi294mc can't image that large an area.

  • @kerroro2007
    @kerroro2007 11 місяців тому

    Great photo! BTW, I don't see any guiding setup. Is guiding not needed for 200mm and wider lenses because it doesn't further improve the shots?

  • @freespiritfriendly
    @freespiritfriendly Місяць тому

    Thank you for this

  • @rschellie
    @rschellie 11 місяців тому

    I really enjoy your channel and I am beginning my journey into astrophotography based at least partially on your videos I have watched. I am getting a Skytracker Adventure GTI and I already have a Nikon D850 with a variety of lenses (I am an amateur wildlife photographer). In this video you didn’t mention if you took dark frames and flat frames for this image? I plan to photograph the Orion Nebula as my very first target.

  • @Goranh
    @Goranh 11 місяців тому +1

    Nice but the camera lens is way more expensive than many great telescopes.. what would be the advantage? thanks!

    • @KevinRudd-w8s
      @KevinRudd-w8s 11 місяців тому +1

      From what I can see, if you only do Astro Photography none. But some people also do wild life, landscape or other photography as well so may already own a quality lens and don't need a scope. Some lenses, like the Samyang/Rokinon 135 f2 are very reasonably priced and are great for astro photography as they can be used with astronomy cameras as well as DSLRs and still give great results. A lot of astro photographers end up owning both.

  • @LuiszDiaz
    @LuiszDiaz 11 місяців тому

    I have a pretty similar configuration, I just still waiting for the adapter to the optical tube. By the way, it's a Mak-Cass 125-1900 F/15 with a Canon 6D MKII, so, I guess could be convenient to learn how to create mosaics. Could you help me with some recomendations about that? I also have the same mount, the GTi. Thanks!

  • @amacmedia3221
    @amacmedia3221 11 місяців тому

    That was a fantastic image and really inspiring tutorial. So after polar alignment, a ball head isn’t needed to locate Orion’s Belt overhead using the SW GTi? Also would you have a tutorial on how you processed this image. I only have a canon 6Da and was looking to upgrade, would the Canon RA be a better option than a R6 and have this modded?

  • @michaelsiu1719
    @michaelsiu1719 11 місяців тому

    Hello, after seeing your video I would like to ask how u do dithering using SAGTI without guiding, thx😆😆😆

  • @toygaryagci
    @toygaryagci 11 місяців тому

    Hi Trevor... Can you comment on [long exposure-fewer light frames] vs [shorter exposure-more light frames]? do you see any advantage of one over the other?

  • @ballashoes
    @ballashoes 11 місяців тому

    Are you going to review the new WO Pliedes scopes?

  • @sampung3952
    @sampung3952 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi from Boston!

  • @JauneMacReady
    @JauneMacReady 11 місяців тому

    Great one! ❤

  • @ronawood
    @ronawood 9 місяців тому

    Great tutorial. I just got the same tracker and have started testing it out. Unfortunately, I'm in a bortle 9 city, but for now, I'm just trying to get the process down. I'm confused on how to properly expose each frame. Should I be able to see any nebulosity in each frame or am I just trying to get the stars properly exposed. The problem I'm having is that the sky gets blown out when I start increasing the exposures too much. I understand that in a bortle 9 area, I would need many more minutes/hours of total exposure, I'm just not sure how to expose each individual picture.

  • @revenger681
    @revenger681 3 місяці тому

    I thought the easiest thing would be lp filters, but I can't find any. Do youknow of goodonline stores that have a good range of light pollution filters? Ones that are preferably best (or geared towards) nebula?